[10:31] <studio-devel391> hi
[10:31] <studio-devel391> in any one here?
[10:32] <cfhowlett> don't waste time asking that, just ask your support question.
[10:33] <studio-devel391> ok
[10:34] <studio-devel391> I am a windows 10 user but tired of it's problems. so I want to use linux .I have 2 computers .An Asus laptop which is core i7 . 4gb RAM and 1gb graphic and a PC which has core 2 quad cpu. Gigabyte mother board,  2gb of ram and 1 gb Nvidia graphic card 
[10:35] <studio-devel391> I am photographer and I need to professionally edit softwares like photoshop 
[10:35] <studio-devel391> and Web confrencing
[10:35] <studio-devel391> and movie making
[10:35] <studio-devel391> I am confused choosing Ubuntu studio or Fedora.. 
[10:36] <studio-devel391> Thanks
[10:36] <cfhowlett> fair question!
[10:36] <studio-devel391> Thank you
[10:37] <studio-devel391> What is The Answer.. 
[10:37] <studio-devel391> Let me add
[10:37] <cfhowlett> The Fedora Design Spin is my second choice should Ubuntu Studio cease operations.  Both can do what you describe.  It really comes down to your preferences.  
[10:37] <cfhowlett> I suggest you download both and either ..
[10:37] <studio-devel391> I teach photography online using skype .. May concider thet 
[10:37] <cfhowlett> install virtualbox to windows, install Fedora and UStudio to vbox. test both.  
[10:38] <studio-devel391> Wbhat is the  difference?
[10:38] <cfhowlett> or get 2 USB's, make 2 bootable USB's, and test that way.
[10:38] <studio-devel391> would you pls explain?
[10:38] <studio-devel391> and
[10:38] <studio-devel391> which one is faster?
[10:38] <cfhowlett> !usb
[10:38] <studio-devel391> ok
[10:38] <studio-devel391> I saw that
[10:39] <cfhowlett> no notable difference in speed as both use a light desktop environment
[10:39] <studio-devel391> So in what are they different?
[10:39] <cfhowlett> look and feel
[10:39] <studio-devel391> may add using android simulators.. 
[10:40] <studio-devel391> only look and feels.. ?
[10:40] <cfhowlett> both can do android.  in fact you can install the vital apps to most linux distros.
[10:40] <studio-devel391> concider an artist taste
[10:40] <cfhowlett> :_
[10:41] <cfhowlett> not sure how I would address that, but I have done all the things you described as well as recording podcasts. US did it all with no problem. 
[10:41] <studio-devel391> where can I see more pictures about design and feutures? 
[10:41] <cfhowlett> But I do give full props to Fedora Design for an excellent product.
[10:42] <cfhowlett> honestly, as you have narrowed your focus to the two "best" options, you really should and test them both for yourself.  YOUR sensibilities mean much more than random internet opinions.
[10:42] <studio-devel391> Thank you so much.. 
[10:43] <studio-devel391> My problem is my limitted download
[10:43] <studio-devel391> Would be better If I couls choose one.. 
[10:43] <cfhowlett> torrents!
[10:43] <studio-devel391> Really
[10:43] <cfhowlett> !torrents
[10:43] <studio-devel391> I did never use that 
[10:44] <cfhowlett> it makes downloading .iso's practically painless
[10:44] <studio-devel391> What torrent does?  Download size is the same right>?
[10:44] <studio-devel391> Only it's a manager I think 
[10:45] <studio-devel391> Ok 
[10:45] <studio-devel391> I use IDM usually
[10:45] <studio-devel391> May I ask final question
[10:45] <studio-devel391> I am using a mini linux software mounted on a bootable CD. 
[10:45] <studio-devel391> Do u Think I nned to Install Windows any way?
[10:47] <studio-devel391> I have it on an Disk Image.. 
[10:47] <studio-devel391> not dificult 
[10:47] <studio-devel391> But I prefer not to waste hard disk capacity
[10:49] <cfhowlett> studio-devel391, if you are truly done with windows, make a bootable windows USB and save it or install virtualbox to linux > windows.
[10:49] <cfhowlett> I still have win7 but I only fire it up once or twice a year
[10:49] <studio-devel391> Is there any thing that make me go to windows?
[10:49] <studio-devel391> And
[10:50] <cfhowlett> I can't answer that for you.  
[10:50] <studio-devel391> Is this possible to install photoshop on ubunto?
[10:50] <cfhowlett> photoshop 2.0 yes.  newer PS, no.  thus: GIMP.  
[10:50] <cfhowlett> if you need PS, keep windows
[10:50] <studio-devel391> I mean.. Are windows apps usable ?
[10:50] <cfhowlett> no
[10:50] <cfhowlett> well
[10:51] <cfhowlett> not 100%  with the wine emulator, SOME apps run to SOME degree
[10:51] <cfhowlett> !wine
[10:51] <studio-devel391> And may I use Photoshop using Wine?
[10:51] <studio-devel391> Ok 
[10:51] <studio-devel391> Thanks a lot
[10:52] <cfhowlett> happy2help!  hope you come through again!
[10:52] <studio-devel391> Sure.. 
[10:52] <studio-devel391> i am a new user.. 
[10:52] <studio-devel391> Glad to have a good friens here.. 
[10:52] <studio-devel391> :)
[10:52] <cfhowlett> !fcm | studio-devel391 
[10:53] <studio-devel391> Sure 
[10:53] <studio-devel391> Thanks again
[18:17] <OvenWerks> from last meeting logs: "but see you next week"
[18:18] <OvenWerks> this be next week, there a meeting or was that eylul being away for a while?
[18:34] <eylul> I am here. I kind of got buried and didn't send the message, but I figured we will have a check-in with whoever is around
[18:34] <eylul> Ovenwerks ^ 
[18:34] <OvenWerks> Right.
[18:35] <eylul> I know Krytarik asked if we can do this an hour later through. so that's something to think about. 
[18:35] <OvenWerks> I have been working on -controls. 
[18:35] <eylul> I saw!!!
[18:35] <OvenWerks> I will still be around in a half...
[18:36] <OvenWerks> Performance can be set, so far.
[18:36] <OvenWerks> in my copy performance can be set at boot as well.
[18:36] <eylul> I like that we will have the option on profile regardless of the default debacle, that.. from your emails, seems to have gotten more complicated?
[18:36] <eylul> (I like btw having the option to set up the boot default) 
[18:37] <OvenWerks> I am now setting up a button to turn "Boost" off
[18:37] <OvenWerks> Setting up boost off or on at boot is a bit harder.
[18:37] <eylul> Sakrecoer, Kryten feel free to join in if you are around (and astraljava too! *checks who else is on the log*)
[18:37] <OvenWerks> It will require creating a script in /etc/init.d/
[18:38] <OvenWerks> Intel Pstate does not guarentee a solid cpu speed if boost in on.
[18:39] <eylul> *nods*
[18:39] <OvenWerks> if boost is on then performance acts like ondemand with a minimum speed of full speed but may increase to boost level and back.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> For graphic work boost is probably a good thing
[18:40] <OvenWerks> For low latency audio not.
[18:40] <eylul> *nods*
[18:41] <OvenWerks> So anyway, my current bit of -controls work sees up to getting performance and boost working.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> I do not know visually, if the GUI should separate options that are after boot or new login from those that happen on the fly or not.
[18:43] <eylul> I would assume that once we have all the additions to controls we are planning (there are several) at some point we will review the UI
[18:43] <eylul> it can be easier to figure it out once we have everything piled up in there, if that makes any sense
[18:43] <eylul> (is somewhat semi afk until meeting time)
[19:01] <eylul> Ok it looks like it might be only 2 of us today
[19:01] <eylul> Current status of projects: 
[19:02] <eylul> Controls (OvenWerks)
[19:02] <eylul> Bug hunt (Rosco)
[19:02] <eylul> Wallpaper contest (Cfhowlett)
[19:02] <eylul> Website (Sakrecoer)
[19:02] <eylul> Krita/Godot (Eylul)
[19:03] <eylul> I don't have any updates. I don't think anything happened about website so we can scratch those off the list. 
[19:05] <OvenWerks> I am just looking at the BP for -controls
[19:08] <OvenWerks> the desktop for controls has aleady been changed to pkexec.
[19:08] <eylul> ok can you explain a bit what that means?
[19:09]  * eylul is still very new at this
[19:10] <eylul> Ovenwerks ^ ) (I really need to remember to tag when talking on IRC)
[19:10] <OvenWerks> -controls runs as root, gksu used to be the way to allow someone to do that. However, Ubuntu (and maybe debian) have been using policykit for years now and this keeps all security stuff in one place and up to date
[19:11] <eylul> ah ok
[19:11] <OvenWerks> in a meeting all comments are normally to everyone :)
[19:11]  * OvenWerks types slow
[19:11] <eylul> I know but it is 2 of us so I figured you might be back to work in between replying to me
[19:12] <OvenWerks> nope, I am sitting in oour room to keep my Yf company
[19:12] <eylul> ah ok. 
[19:12] <eylul> alright I did have one question for you
[19:12] <eylul> like i am very curious about all of this, but before I completely forget. What do you need from rest of us? is there anything we can do to help you work on this?
[19:13] <OvenWerks> testing and coments on gui.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> I have only two machines to test this on and in this case the physical machine matters.
[19:14] <eylul> *nods*
[19:14] <OvenWerks> I have nothing with an MAD cpu in it for example.
[19:14] <OvenWerks> s/MAD/AMD/
[19:14] <eylul> I was going to ask :D
[19:14] <OvenWerks> dyslexia strikes...
[19:14] <eylul> do you use a particular tool to benchmark?
[19:15] <eylul> :D it was a funny typo
[19:15] <OvenWerks> jack and Ardour or gutarix
[19:15] <OvenWerks> guitarix
[19:15] <eylul> *blinks*
[19:15] <OvenWerks> I basically look for xruns at various latencies.
[19:15] <eylul> xruns?
[19:16] <OvenWerks> Ardour does not have to run at low latency, but guitarix does.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> xrun means under/overfill on the buffer. That is some audio information is lost or there is an audible click
[19:17] <eylul> so basically trying your settings and seeing if there are more or less clicks when recording?
[19:17] <OvenWerks> Both jack and Ardour count xruns.
[19:17] <eylul> ah ok
[19:18] <OvenWerks> It is much easier than listening for some click somewhere.
[19:18] <eylul> :)
[19:18] <eylul> yeah
[19:18] <eylul> is the code on the nightly? 
[19:19] <eylul> or how do we get it on our testing setups (for those of us still new at this)
[19:19] <OvenWerks> basically jack has to service every client during every period, if jack gets an irq saying the buffer is ready to be read/written, and has not yet serviced all clients that is an xrun.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> it is in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild/+packages
[19:20] <OvenWerks> you can either enable the PPA or download the *deb file and apt install it
[19:20] <eylul> ok
[19:21] <OvenWerks> (I do the download and install)
[19:21] <eylul> alright.
[19:21] <eylul> I'll summarize all of this and add it to the meeting email so that everybody sees it
[19:21] <OvenWerks> So far I have just added performance
[19:22] <eylul> and I'll try to get to it this week. 
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I have more working here but it is not ready to upload.
[19:22] <eylul> *nods*
[19:24] <OvenWerks> I will probably upload when I have boost control working but before I have boost on/off at boot.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> I get a message when I start it that I should use "requires gtk3" I don't know if it will just work that way or not. I don't know if glade deals with gtk3 yet.
[19:26] <eylul> if you mean console errors... 
[19:26] <eylul> I have been seeing them all over the place. it.. probably is ok?
[19:26] <eylul> if not I have no idea. 
[19:26] <OvenWerks> Whatever script I use in /etc/init.d/ will be generic to ubuntustudio.
[19:26] <OvenWerks> i don't know either.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> I just wondr if that means what we have will already work with gtk3 and not 2
[19:28] <OvenWerks> One of the BP items is converting to gtk3
[19:28] <eylul> BP?
[19:29] <OvenWerks> blue print
[19:29] <eylul> oooh
[19:29] <eylul> *nods*
[19:29] <OvenWerks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+spec/ubuntustudio-controls-u
[19:30] <OvenWerks> Looking at that I am thi nking a tabbed layout would be better.
[19:30] <eylul> on blueprint there seems to be a discussion about switching guis
[19:30] <OvenWerks> Yes, qt4 is now old too.
[19:30] <eylul> do you have screenshot?
[19:30] <eylul> (there is qt5. *ducks the incoming object*)
[19:32] <OvenWerks> http://i.imgur.com/dxyzZC3.png
[19:32] <eylul> *patiently waits for imgur to cooperate*
[19:32]  * OvenWerks does not enjoy using a laptop with only one screen...
[19:33] <eylul> :D
[19:35] <eylul> yeah sorry imgur is not cooperating
[19:35] <eylul> I can't see the image but email? 
[19:37] <OvenWerks> it just has another checkbox below Realtime Audio that says "CPU Governor in Performance mode
[19:37] <eylul> ok
[19:38] <OvenWerks> So it looks the same as what you have now. I am not on my dev machine so I can't get anything more.
[19:38] <eylul> ah alright
[19:38] <eylul> yes I was curious about what you had that you didn't upload yet
[19:38] <eylul> I assume that frankly whatever we decide down the line, it will be first profiles, and one profile will be set as default for boot
[19:38] <eylul> if that makes sense?
[19:39] <OvenWerks> another checkbox below with Set CPU governor to performance at boot
[19:39] <eylul> *nods*
[19:40] <OvenWerks> I am thinking to take system setting and divide it into current and boot.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> I have started adding boost on off, but it is not runable yet.
[19:41] <eylul> *nods*
[19:41] <OvenWerks> I have not started adding bosst /on/off at boot because I have to think how I will do that first... That is I have to make the script for it to enable first.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> so three tabs (for now) would be "system setup" for boot time stuff (includes user setup) system switches for on the fly changes and AUdio for audio setup. 
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Ausio setup should have it's own page for sure.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> *audio
[19:45] <eylul> ok
[19:46] <OvenWerks> krytarik: o/
[19:47] <krytarik> OvenWerks, eylul: Evening.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> good morning ;)
[19:47] <krytarik> :D
[19:48] <eylul> hi krytarik
[19:48] <OvenWerks> krytarik: so far we have only talked about -controls
[19:49] <OvenWerks> krytarik: at home (not uploade) I have pstate detection in so that with pstate we choose performance or powersave and with out we replace powersave with ondemand
[19:50] <OvenWerks> I have default cpu governor at bootitme figured out
[19:50] <OvenWerks> I am putting a switch in for boost on off... audio needs boost off.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> krytarik: the need I have will be for people testing... I have tested on intel with and without pstate works. But I have no AMD hw
[19:52] <eylul> 1) Controls: 
[19:52] <eylul>  Len has been doing a lot of work on this (as everybody probably  already knows :) ) but can use more devices to test it on. (especially  AMD chips but more devices in general). You can download the packages a  the dev archive. Some of the updates are not in yet, but will be soon.
[19:52] <eylul>                 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild/+packages  Also will need more feedback on GUI. 
[19:52] <eylul>  2) Bug triage (no update) 
[19:52] <eylul>  3) Wallpaper contest (no update)
[19:52] <eylul>  4) Website (no update) 5) Krita package status (no update) 
[19:52] <eylul> OvenWerks: this looks like a good summary for email?
[19:53] <eylul> (the item 1 I mean)
[19:53] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[19:53] <eylul> ok
[19:54] <OvenWerks> I would also like one of our graphic people to commant on how the gui should be setup
[19:54] <OvenWerks> Mockups would be great.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> I think I will add some auto audio setup one way or the other.
[19:56] <eylul> I will probably have more thoughts on that Ovenwerks. basically I really think we should have some basic system profiles with one default to set as boot setup than having  2 sets of checklists. I am not sure how much overhead that would be through
[19:56] <OvenWerks> The system will assume that if a USB interface is plugged mid-session that it should be jack master.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> eylul: so templates
[19:57] <eylul> exactly
[19:57] <OvenWerks> back in a minute
[19:57] <eylul> and ideally we would have a couple there by default, like one "performance" one "audio" (because most people will not know things like: I must turn off boost")
[20:05] <OvenWerks> right
[20:06] <eylul> :)
[20:06] <eylul> *Is doing a VERY rough mockup
[20:08] <OvenWerks> eylul: the tookit will determine a lot of the finer points
[20:08] <eylul> *nods*
[20:08] <eylul> do you want the mockup directly in the gui toolkit?
[20:09] <eylul> I was drawing in inkscape but.. 
[20:09] <OvenWerks> just a drawing is fine. The toolkits are similar
[20:10] <eylul> (also lets wrap this up slowly. I'd rather have us get in the habit of really finishing the meetings on time)
[20:10] <eylul> *ok
[20:10] <eylul> so you are using glade currently?
[20:10] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:10] <eylul> (btw glade description says GTK3)
[20:10] <OvenWerks> I am just following what was stgarted and adding.
[20:11] <eylul> (I am just downloading it from ubuntu repo at the moment)
[20:14] <OvenWerks> so glade has been upgraded since I last looked at it. So we have majically upgraded to gkt3
[20:14] <eylul> :D
[20:14] <eylul> I guess that solves the whole issue of what toolkit to use?
[20:15] <OvenWerks> Yes
[20:15] <OvenWerks> glade is easy enough to figure out. I am not sure how to do systray stuff though
[20:16] <OvenWerks> I think systray was why I suggested qt4 at the time, because I had figgured out systray... but that has all changed anyway
[20:16] <eylul> systray I know is possible in python
[20:17] <OvenWerks> i was using python woth qt4 at the time
[20:17] <eylul> I assume it is possible in GTK just not sure how
[20:17] <eylul> *nods*
[20:17] <OvenWerks> google might tell us
[20:18] <eylul> yup
[20:18]  * eylul is meanwhile trying to get glade to place items in correct places
[20:18]  * OvenWerks had a personal version of -controls http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/audsysmode.html
[20:19] <OvenWerks> eylul: everything needs to be in a container. The container does the placement.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> box grid whatever
[20:21] <OvenWerks> try loading /usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/ubuntustudio-controls.glade
[20:21] <eylul> wow
[20:21]  * OvenWerks assumes you are already in ubuntustudio...
[20:21] <eylul> I am 
[20:21] <eylul> sorry temporarily distracted by this
[20:22] <eylul> I assume this is more or less what you are aiming for, except the system settings like CPU profiles will be split off from audio specific settings
[20:22] <OvenWerks> ya
[20:22] <eylul> got it
[20:23] <eylul> do you mind if I add that to the email to the ML?
[20:23] <OvenWerks> not at all
[20:23] <OvenWerks> go right ahead
[20:24] <eylul> alright
[20:24] <eylul> hi Chamois. We are REALLY wrapping up but any updates?
[20:25] <OvenWerks> for development, I edit the glade file as me and cp to system as root but edit /usr/sbin/ubuntustudio-controls as root in a termonal.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> *terminal
[20:25]  * OvenWerks does not type as well on a laptop as his mechanic kb
[20:26] <eylul> it really is ok
[20:26] <eylul> and this helps. 
[20:26] <eylul> ok I declare this meeting completed
[20:26] <eylul> let me first email the notes.
[20:27] <eylul> then I'll try to make a quick .glade of what I was trying explain in words
[20:27] <OvenWerks> cool, I will be gone for a few hours,then I will start working again.
[20:28] <eylul> awesome! Thanks for your hard work on this OvenWerks
[20:28] <OvenWerks> if you move the meeting time an hour later this may be about the tim I say good bye
[20:29] <OvenWerks> (bye all)
[20:29] <eylul> that's completely alright
[20:29] <eylul> I assume that we will have people who can make some part of meeting
[20:29] <eylul> but right now I am thinking maybe half an hour of shift? (if at all)
[20:30] <eylul> and wrap this thing in an hour next time
[20:31] <krytarik> I agree on half an hour later.
[20:33] <eylul> Krytarik I know you need some extra time. so I hope that will help?
[20:33] <krytarik> And it should really be wrapable in an hour.
[20:33] <eylul> *nods*
[20:33] <eylul> we are new at this, so I am ok with it running overtime but yes!
[20:33] <krytarik> Yeah, helps me a bit.
[20:33] <eylul> the goal is to get status update
[20:34] <chamois> Hi everyone, well as I said, I wasn't at home the last week so I couldn't do anything.. I'll work on a new version for the logo boot
[20:34] <chamois> eylul^
[20:34] <eylul> awesome
[20:34] <eylul> *adds it to the meeting minutes*
[20:34] <eylul> and welcome back from travelling chamois
[20:34] <eylul> thanksgiving?
[20:35] <chamois> no, Just a simple vacation eylul
[20:36] <eylul> ah ok
[20:36] <eylul> :)
[20:47] <OvenWerks> eylul: this is latest working: http://i.imgur.com/KvxzXTI.png
[20:47] <eylul> ovenwerks: imgur hates me
[20:48] <OvenWerks> http://imgur.com/X2lLHujl.png is where my glade is at.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> sorry
[20:49] <eylul> heheh
[20:49] <eylul> Ovenwerks: could you attach these images to an email as reply to the minutes I sent?
[20:50] <OvenWerks> I had the boot time offset from on the fly but moved it back in line because of the way I have the text worded.
[21:05] <OvenWerks> eylul: I have not seen your message... or mine with attachments.
[21:06] <eylul> let me check
[21:06] <eylul> OvenWerks: I see both of them