[00:00] nah it's all the same junk really [00:00] if a pixie is wasted, god gets quite irate [00:01] i'd second daftykins apple avoidance... they seem to be making strange decisions these days [00:01] zmoylan-pi: headphone jacks are overrated [00:01] as are the F* keys [00:01] heh i saw rumours today that Samsung may remove headphone jacks on the next gen, too [00:01] nobody uses F* keys [00:01] i do [00:02] all the time! [00:02] i'm sure i can insert my nokia headset in latest iphone with sufficent effort... [00:02] only with 5 adapters ;) [00:02] daftykins: then get your apps to program the magic bar instead :-p [00:02] yeah, new high end samsung will be jackless... [00:02] dongle all the way [00:02] diddledan: ah most people are receiving those with super glitchy graphics so no need :> [00:02] lol [00:02] yeah and poor battery fwig [00:02] that's the one [00:03] from-what-i-gather [00:03] not to mention the bank balance dent for buying premum last years parts [00:03] oops not prior to the invention of mothers, premium! [00:03] lol [00:04] I don't use the jack, I use bluetooth, like I have done for the last 6 years [00:04] I prefer Bert to Jack [00:04] eww wireless technologies. [00:04] i like memory cards as been able to eject a card and transfer stuff comes in so handy [00:05] So, cast your votes. G5, iThing or ZPlay. Go! [00:05] daftykins: I'm gonna buy those overpriced ear dongles that apple are gonna hawk soon :-p [00:05] i vote Motorola [00:05] I vote sheep [00:05] diddledan: what's wrong with you!? [00:05] baa [00:05] they last like 3-5 hours or some jazz :P [00:06] 2 hours each! [00:06] stereo is passe [00:06] stereo isn't even about channel count from what i understand (: [00:06] Gotta admit, I'm leaning the Baa device [00:07] XD [00:07] reviewers say it's not baaa-aaaad [00:07] 9 out of 10 sheperds agree [00:10] ok i best sleep, my pun work here is done [00:16] i got a cheap set of sony bt headphone in argos new catalog clearout. 10hours battery. [00:20] but still a pain in the bum when the batteries ran flat one time... thankfully i carry backup wired headset in my bag [00:41] Duck.. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199 [00:41] "The Petitions Committee has decided not to schedule a debate on this petition. When it decides which petitions should be debated, the Committee looks at whether the subject has recently been debated by the House of Commons." [01:21] "and underwent unprecedented scrutiny" <-- they don't tell you that they ignored the response from that scrutiny which was 99% "WTF CHUCK?!" [02:57] Software Defined Radio.. it's awsome [02:57] http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ [02:58] Listening to morse code on 5595.4kHz upper side band [03:02] are you decoding it [03:02] ? [03:07] * ball wants to try WSPR on SDR [03:33] I got the letters O S S and number 7 [03:33] My Morse code is rusty as hell [05:04] _._. __._ [05:07] 73 and good night. === diddledan___ is now known as diddledan [07:08] hi [07:24] hola [08:05] hey mapps [09:52] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Civil Aviation Day! 😃 ✈ [09:54] morning boys and girls. [09:56] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQn8pab8Vc and just remember you bought this one on yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGnuMxFnc1k [10:08] davmor2, not https://youtu.be/vLBKOcUbHR0 ? [10:15] Tried out Teamviewer on my raspberry pi yesterday. [10:15] Worked like a breeze [10:27] JamesTait: no I was thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw [10:28] JamesTait: but I thought you'd like that too much :) [11:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG0ZXD89Bq0 enjoy everyone [11:49] I'm enjoying this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azBX_0QjLRM [11:55] SuperMatt: you have an odd sense of enjoyment [11:56] I was worried that the political silly season would end after May was made PM, but it really does keep going on [12:23] SuperMatt: I'm sorry you think there is an end to the political silly season hahahahahaha [12:36] don't panoc folks, no ghost "me" today. phone now set up so it's "normal" me [as if there actually such a thing as a "normal" me!] [14:04] hello directhex [14:06] Does Ubuntu include USB 3.0 support? [14:07] ball: yes [14:07] Thanks davmor2 [15:09] where does update-rc.d look for possible service candidates (vs 'service ') ? [17:07] arsen: /etc/init.d historically... [17:07] I've not kept up with post-sysV inits though [17:07] you should use systemctl enable/disable instead now [17:10] on jessie/sid? [17:10] err. /me checks the channel name [17:11] I have no idea what is included in whichever debian [17:57] sorry, was buntu not deb, just has the debian_version file [17:58] twas 14.04. [19:25] Yeey :) [19:26] * knightwise got an old second hand 19 inch 5/4 monitor to hook up to my pi [19:26] * knightwise happy [19:27] knightwise: composite video input? [19:28] hdmi to dvi [19:30] Oh nice. I use those too. [19:33] that's pretty ghetto :) [19:34] daftykins: What is? [19:35] you're like those poor apple folk having to resort to dongles to use good headphones... :-P [19:35] XD [19:35] s/good// [19:35] Nothing wrong with an HDMI -> DVD-D cable. [19:36] No more loss there than an HDMI -> HDMI cable. [19:36] i was getting at the 19" old display :> [19:36] and yes, both speak TMDS [19:36] Ah, ok. [19:36] still got a 19" here mind, my first ever LCD [19:37] just sits by the server nowadays with rare usage due to RDP [20:07] I am playing around with teamviewer to remote control the pi too [20:08] but its somewhat sootihing to have a "little" screen to work on [20:18] My boss was talking about teamviewer. He was hoping to use it with a Raspberry Pi, I think. [20:25] i predict more DDoS attacks from unpatched Pis running amok! [20:29] I've powered down my Pi. I should try it again one day with Linux but it didn't work very well with NetBSD. [20:29] I mean, it worked, but can't play video. [20:29] perhaps they're too much of sticklers for some closed broadcom code that makes things work, perhaps? [20:29] ...and was too slow to browse the Web. [20:29] actually that got all open sauced i thought [20:30] daftykins: Under which license though? [20:30] not a clue [20:30] That could be an obstacle, too. [20:30] crikey this thai curry is hot :D [20:32] * ball goes back to pricing Travan tapes. [20:33] hmm those look weird [20:34] how can i encourage my wifi card to use 5ghz? [20:35] i always name the 5GHz networks $name-5G so there's no hopping issues [20:35] then you can have it as a higher priority network [20:39] do most mobile hpones support 5g too? [20:39] man i've got bad lag tonight [20:39] for a couple of years now [20:39] the Nexus 4 from 2012 does [20:40] ah, my moto g doesnt :( [20:41] i got a new talktalk router :| [20:41] foobarry: hit and miss anything flagship tends to support 5g any thing other than flagship and it's anyones guess :) [20:41] my laptop does support it but doesn't seem to have connected at 5ghz [20:41] is hopping a bad thing? [20:42] well it's obviously sub optimal if it's going to keep switching band based on signal levels [20:42] much easier to just give separate names [20:47] foobarry: My work phone does. My home phone doesn't. [20:49] rare proof of Ken Bruce and Lynn Bowles being human - for any Radio 2 fans :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyqfuWIXUAAkITf.jpg:large [20:49] gotta love that banter [20:54] "it's just bants mate" [21:00] eh? [21:00] that mainlanderese? :) [21:03] hmm, 5G ssid not showing up on my laptop [21:04] iwlist wlan0 freq shows the 5ghz freqs [21:04] reduce the channel number [21:04] something in the low 40s should be fine [21:05] ah, its working. [21:05] very laggy [21:06] ping times are massive [21:06] only a few yds from the router [21:07] might still prefer other channels, depends [21:07] we're still in the EU, metres, please [21:08] bit rate is allegedly higher [21:08] but i can't see what i'm typing [21:09] my understanding was that Linux tends to do badly with 5GHz lappy radios [21:10] ah [21:12] no idea if that's changed [21:12] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 166.585/694.905/1173.308/308.287 ms, pipe 2 [21:12] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.803/117.296/268.935/75.339 ms [21:12] quite a difference [21:13] is that just between having both bands as one SSID vs. separating them? [21:14] flipping between 2 iffernt SSIDs [21:14] firmware on the router a bit out od date as i only got it today [21:14] maybe it will get update overnight [21:15] 2.4 ghz seems to get more errors though [21:15] 5gz more discards [21:15] could be thislaptop [21:16] oh i'm wrong, this is latest firmware [21:20] oh wow...disabling power saving in powertop has a distinct effect [21:20] ah yeah, standard thing - what's the adapter? [21:21] 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34) [21:21] mmhmm [21:21] oh intel, you used to be the Linux wifi reference cards :( [21:22] could be the fix. no lag on 5ghz now [21:23] hope this results in a conviction \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37474595 [21:23] http://pastebin.com/8abQ7VjX [21:23] see if u can see the moment i disable power save [21:23] heh wow that really was bad [21:24] perhaps you still have some neighbourhood networks on 5GHz overlapping? i get 2ms on mine [21:24] foobarry: around 1054ms you turned it off powersave [21:24] probably just before [21:25] sequence 5-6 [21:25] after the 108ms. suddenly plummets to 19ms [21:26] mmhmm [21:26] i was pinging google dns rather than my router [21:26] i should do my router [21:26] *bzzzzz* things said by single geeks... :-P [21:27] man, i've had this problem for so long [21:27] irc always been laggy from home [21:27] websites seem ok [21:28] oh yeah i didn't even pay attention to the target XD [21:28] how you folks put up with such crap from your home setups i don't know :) [21:29] 2.4ghz seems to get lower minimums but more unstable [21:29] i can imagine wanting to avoid it after a long day... but daym [21:29] because i'm at work on a 10GB connection most of the day [21:29] i've been ill for 4 days and off work [21:29] onlt well enough to look at a tv today though [21:29] install wifi analyser on an android phone and see how the channels you're using fit with the neighbourhood on each band [21:30] i did that, but the problem is maainly this prower saving on the card [21:30] i got a collection of hammers and take it to any misbehaving hardware... you'd be suprised how well hardware behaves when they see what happened to the toaster... :-P [21:38] poor toaster :( [21:38] is it Talky Toaster? [21:39] Would you like some toast? [21:40] that'll teach it to hurt holly! [21:41] how about a muffin? [21:42] Would you like a cheese and ham Breville? [21:42] i suppose a bap is out of the question... [21:43] Sorry, but no. I've bun out. [21:43] https://twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/806589833560801280 [21:44] pity, we were on a roll [21:44] A toast! [21:44] I knead more [21:44] bready or not [21:44] those would only be half baked [21:45] We shouldn't waffle on like this [21:46] my puns haven't risen yet [21:46] bagel [21:46] diddledan: hah at first i wondered why it was just a fuzzed out iPhone home screen [21:46] rubbish way to convey info [21:47] You shouldn't flower the truth [21:47] And yeast of all, toast! [21:47] ok, I've had enough, just shut your cake hole! [21:48] Sorry, no bun intended. [21:48] cinnamon gonna sin [21:49] that's using your loaf [21:49] I'll try not to sugar coat the truth [21:49] time I put you on ice(d bun) [21:50] donut stop (sorry, 'murica spelling) [21:50] oh, the power saving keeps enabling itself [21:50] more work required, but first bedtime [21:50] It's currenty impossible. [21:52] I'm burnt [21:52] burned? [21:54] Sorry, but I'm unable to rise to the occasion. I'm baked. [22:06] Canada for you ;) [22:26] http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=299446 :( this is sad, i knew this guy in #kodi [22:28] One day I'll make it to Canada. [22:29] I did. 7 years ago. [22:31] I just never left [22:36] they left him in the centre and he's still walking towards civilisation... :-P [22:37] headed dueeeeee sooooouth... that's the way he's goooin ~ [22:37] who remembers that series? ;) [22:37] it was a great show [22:37] though i preferred northern exposure [22:40] not familiar with that one [22:40] a ny doctor gets his medical school bills paid for if he does a few years service in alaska... hi jinx ensue when he can't escape his service in middle of nowhere [22:41] cult following, very popular in its time [22:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Exposure [22:50] daftykins: I loved that show [22:51] Diefenbaker-dan! [22:51] ray veccio was the cop, but I can't think of the RCMP guy [22:51] crikey i don't know where in my memory i pulled that one from, i should get some episodes [22:51] and the car model he loved so [22:52] I remembered "Diefenbaker" as the wolf but didn't remember the dan bit [22:52] I liked Northern Exposure! [22:53] nah i added that to involve you, sir :P [22:53] aah [22:53] gotcha [22:55] so Donald Trump is TIME Magazine's "Person of the Year" [22:55] Ugh. [22:55] ^ Ugh. [22:55] Vile wretch that he is. [22:56] o_O [22:56] something I said? [22:56] or did the Trump Protection Detail get him? [23:02] now that's a job that will see some overtime timesheets turned in... [23:02] the walls have ears [23:02] <_< >_> [23:02] and every laptop, phone, tablet, smart tv... [23:03] unless it's got a Picasso hanging on it, in which case the wall cut it's own ears off [23:03] thankfully i'm a ninja who sneaks up on cats for practice... :-P [23:03] zmoylan-pi: with a cucumber? [23:04] no, that would be cruel. i give them a gentle head rub and annoy them that they didn't notice me approaching [23:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsysNml153M [23:06] i must be some form of ninja, one clients house is huge so when i am going to and fro i often give others heart attacks [23:06] i've joked about needing a cow bell [23:06] \o/ [23:07] be festive and a set of rudolph antlers with bells on and a red blinky nose... [23:26] launch at 23:53 UTC: https://youtu.be/C7RD-u2g6Wg [23:27] aww but that's bed time [23:28] not if you're trying to sleep within a mile or two of that launch it isn't... [23:29] sonic, BOOM! [23:29] YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING NEXT DOOR AGAIN [23:30] gerd dern neighbours [23:30] oh those guys, they're always at it in the bedroom [23:31] but in a moment of pure syncronisation the washing machine gives off no vibrations whatsoever as it is in perfect harmony with the rest of the building... [23:31] something about orbital insertion with their long stick [23:33] rudeler! [23:33] since when have I been anything but? [23:34] i'll get back to you on that [23:34] in other news, butts [23:35] will this giant pokey thing explode? [23:35] I vote yes. [23:35] guaranteed, but whether in a controlled fashion or not is perhaps the deciding angle ;D [23:36] no they remembered to set explodeontakeoff=false in it's ini file... [23:36] lol [23:36] that sounds like a kerbal thing [23:48] so glad chat is disabled [23:50] guess Jeb is sitting this one out [23:51] (did they just say the shrimp are running?) [23:53] light blue touch paper and retire... [23:53] the way that flame crept up was scary :P [23:54] that almost sounded like 'voice of Patrick Moore' [23:54] but i'm sure he's busy playing the xylaphone [23:55] the announcer is called patrick moore [23:56] accident with a cloning machine probably [23:56] you know what christmas parties are like with copiers...