[00:00] <daftykins> nah it's all the same junk really
[00:00] <diddledan> if a pixie is wasted, god gets quite irate
[00:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'd second daftykins apple avoidance... they seem to be making strange decisions these days
[00:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: headphone jacks are overrated
[00:01] <diddledan> as are the F* keys
[00:01] <daftykins> heh i saw rumours today that Samsung may remove headphone jacks on the next gen, too
[00:01] <diddledan> nobody uses F* keys
[00:01] <daftykins> i do
[00:02] <daftykins> all the time!
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure i can insert my nokia headset in latest iphone with sufficent effort...
[00:02] <daftykins> only with 5 adapters ;)
[00:02] <diddledan> daftykins: then get your apps to program the magic bar instead :-p
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, new high end samsung will be jackless...
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> dongle all the way
[00:02] <daftykins> diddledan: ah most people are receiving those with super glitchy graphics so no need :>
[00:02] <diddledan> lol
[00:02] <diddledan> yeah and poor battery fwig
[00:02] <daftykins> that's the one
[00:03] <diddledan> from-what-i-gather
[00:03] <daftykins> not to mention the bank balance dent for buying premum last years parts
[00:03] <daftykins> oops not prior to the invention of mothers, premium!
[00:03] <diddledan> lol
[00:04] <m0nkey_> I don't use the jack, I use bluetooth, like I have done for the last 6 years
[00:04] <diddledan> I prefer Bert to Jack
[00:04] <daftykins> eww wireless technologies.
[00:04] <zmoylan-pi> i like memory cards as been able to eject a card and transfer stuff comes in so handy
[00:05] <m0nkey_> So, cast your votes. G5, iThing or ZPlay. Go!
[00:05] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm gonna buy those overpriced ear dongles that apple are gonna hawk soon :-p
[00:05] <daftykins> i vote Motorola
[00:05] <diddledan> I vote sheep
[00:05] <daftykins> diddledan: what's wrong with you!?
[00:05] <diddledan> baa
[00:05] <daftykins> they last like 3-5 hours or some jazz :P
[00:06] <diddledan> 2 hours each!
[00:06] <diddledan> stereo is passe
[00:06] <daftykins> stereo isn't even about channel count from what i understand (:
[00:06] <m0nkey_> Gotta admit, I'm leaning the Baa device
[00:07] <daftykins> XD
[00:07] <daftykins> reviewers say it's not baaa-aaaad
[00:07] <daftykins> 9 out of 10 sheperds agree
[00:10] <daftykins> ok i best sleep, my pun work here is done
[00:16] <zmoylan-pi> i got a cheap set of sony bt headphone in argos new catalog clearout.  10hours battery.
[00:20] <zmoylan-pi> but still a pain in the bum when the batteries ran flat one time... thankfully i carry backup wired headset in my bag
[00:41] <m0nkey_> Duck.. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199
[00:41] <m0nkey_> "The Petitions Committee has decided not to schedule a debate on this petition. When it decides which petitions should be debated, the Committee looks at whether the subject has recently been debated by the House of Commons."
[01:21] <diddledan> "and underwent unprecedented scrutiny" <-- they don't tell you that they ignored the response from that scrutiny which was 99% "WTF CHUCK?!"
[02:57] <m0nkey_> Software Defined Radio.. it's awsome
[02:57] <m0nkey_> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[02:58] <m0nkey_> Listening to morse code on 5595.4kHz upper side band
[03:02] <diddledan> are you decoding it
[03:02] <diddledan> ?
[03:07]  * ball wants to try WSPR on SDR
[03:33] <m0nkey_> I got the letters O S S and number 7
[03:33] <m0nkey_> My Morse code is rusty as hell
[05:04] <ball> _._. __._
[05:07] <ball> 73 and good night.
[07:08] <mapps> hi
[07:24] <mapps> hola
[08:05] <knightwise> hey mapps
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Civil Aviation Day! 😃 ✈
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQn8pab8Vc and just remember you bought this one on yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGnuMxFnc1k
[10:08] <JamesTait> davmor2, not https://youtu.be/vLBKOcUbHR0 ?
[10:15] <knightwise> Tried out Teamviewer on my raspberry pi yesterday.
[10:15] <knightwise> Worked like a breeze
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: no I was thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
[10:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: but I thought you'd like that too much :)
[11:44] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG0ZXD89Bq0  enjoy everyone
[11:49] <SuperMatt> I'm enjoying this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azBX_0QjLRM
[11:55] <davmor2> SuperMatt: you have an odd sense of enjoyment
[11:56] <SuperMatt> I was worried that the political silly season would end after May was made PM, but it really does keep going on
[12:23] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I'm sorry you think there is an end to the political silly season hahahahahaha
[12:36] <SuperEngineer> don't panoc folks, no ghost "me" today.  phone now set up so it's "normal" me [as if there actually such a thing as a "normal" me!]
[14:04] <ball> hello directhex
[14:06] <ball> Does Ubuntu include USB 3.0 support?
[14:07] <davmor2> ball: yes
[14:07] <ball> Thanks davmor2
[15:09] <arsen> where does update-rc.d look for possible service candidates (vs 'service <name> <command>') ?
[17:07] <BigRedS> arsen: /etc/init.d historically...
[17:07] <BigRedS> I've not kept up with post-sysV inits though
[17:07] <diddledan> you should use systemctl enable/disable instead now
[17:10] <arsen> on jessie/sid?
[17:10] <diddledan> err. /me checks the channel name
[17:11] <diddledan> I have no idea what is included in whichever debian
[17:57] <arsen> sorry, was buntu not deb, just has the debian_version file
[17:58] <arsen> twas 14.04.
[19:25] <knightwise> Yeey :)
[19:26]  * knightwise got an old second hand 19 inch 5/4 monitor to hook up to my pi
[19:26]  * knightwise happy
[19:27] <ball> knightwise: composite video input?
[19:28] <knightwise> hdmi to dvi
[19:30] <ball> Oh nice. I use those too.
[19:33] <daftykins> that's pretty ghetto :)
[19:34] <ball> daftykins: What is?
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> you're like those poor apple folk having to resort to dongles to use good headphones... :-P
[19:35] <daftykins> XD
[19:35] <daftykins> s/good//
[19:35] <ball> Nothing wrong with an HDMI -> DVD-D cable.
[19:36] <ball> No more loss there than an HDMI -> HDMI cable.
[19:36] <daftykins> i was getting at the 19" old display :>
[19:36] <daftykins> and yes, both speak TMDS
[19:36] <ball> Ah, ok.
[19:36] <daftykins> still got a 19" here mind, my first ever LCD
[19:37] <daftykins> just sits by the server nowadays with rare usage due to RDP
[20:07] <knightwise> I am playing around with teamviewer to remote control the pi too
[20:08] <knightwise> but its somewhat sootihing to have a "little" screen to work on
[20:18] <ball> My boss was talking about teamviewer. He was hoping to use it with a Raspberry Pi, I think.
[20:25] <daftykins> i predict more DDoS attacks from unpatched Pis running amok!
[20:29] <ball> I've powered down my Pi.  I should try it again one day with Linux but it didn't work very well with NetBSD.
[20:29] <ball> I mean, it worked, but can't play video.
[20:29] <daftykins> perhaps they're too much of sticklers for some closed broadcom code that makes things work, perhaps?
[20:29] <ball> ...and was too slow to browse the Web.
[20:29] <daftykins> actually that got all open sauced i thought
[20:30] <ball> daftykins: Under which license though?
[20:30] <daftykins> not a clue
[20:30] <ball> That could be an obstacle, too.
[20:30] <daftykins> crikey this thai curry is hot :D
[20:32]  * ball goes back to pricing Travan tapes.
[20:33] <daftykins> hmm those look weird
[20:34] <foobarry> how can i encourage my wifi card to use 5ghz?
[20:35] <daftykins> i always name the 5GHz networks $name-5G so there's no hopping issues
[20:35] <daftykins> then you can have it as a higher priority network
[20:39] <foobarry> do most mobile hpones support 5g too?
[20:39] <foobarry> man i've got bad lag tonight
[20:39] <daftykins> for a couple of years now
[20:39] <daftykins> the Nexus 4 from 2012 does
[20:40] <foobarry> ah, my moto g doesnt :(
[20:41] <foobarry> i got a new talktalk router :|
[20:41] <davmor2> foobarry: hit and miss anything flagship tends to support 5g any thing other than flagship and it's anyones guess :)
[20:41] <foobarry> my laptop does support it but doesn't seem to have connected at 5ghz
[20:41] <foobarry> is hopping a bad thing?
[20:42] <daftykins> well it's obviously sub optimal if it's going to keep switching band based on signal levels
[20:42] <daftykins> much easier to just give separate names
[20:47] <ball> foobarry: My work phone does. My home phone doesn't.
[20:49] <daftykins> rare proof of Ken Bruce and Lynn Bowles being human - for any Radio 2 fans :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyqfuWIXUAAkITf.jpg:large
[20:49] <daftykins> gotta love that banter
[20:54] <diddledan> "it's just bants mate"
[21:00] <daftykins> eh?
[21:00] <daftykins> that mainlanderese? :)
[21:03] <foobarry> hmm, 5G ssid not showing up on my laptop
[21:04] <foobarry> iwlist wlan0 freq shows the 5ghz  freqs
[21:04] <daftykins> reduce the channel number
[21:04] <daftykins> something in the low 40s should be fine
[21:05] <foobarry> ah, its working.
[21:05] <foobarry> very laggy
[21:06] <foobarry> ping times are massive
[21:06] <foobarry> only a few yds from the router
[21:07] <daftykins> might still prefer other channels, depends
[21:07] <diddledan> we're still in the EU, metres, please
[21:08] <foobarry> bit rate is allegedly higher
[21:08] <foobarry> but i can't see what i'm typing
[21:09] <daftykins> my understanding was that Linux tends to do badly with 5GHz lappy radios
[21:10] <foobarry> ah
[21:12] <daftykins> no idea if that's changed
[21:12] <foobarry> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 166.585/694.905/1173.308/308.287 ms, pipe 2
[21:12] <foobarry> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.803/117.296/268.935/75.339 ms
[21:12] <foobarry> quite a difference
[21:13] <daftykins> is that just between having both bands as one SSID vs. separating them?
[21:14] <foobarry> flipping between 2 iffernt SSIDs
[21:14] <foobarry> firmware on the router a bit out od date as i only got it today
[21:14] <foobarry> maybe it will get update overnight
[21:15] <foobarry> 2.4 ghz seems to get more errors though
[21:15] <foobarry> 5gz more discards
[21:15] <foobarry> could be thislaptop
[21:16] <foobarry> oh i'm wrong, this is latest firmware
[21:20] <foobarry> oh wow...disabling power saving in powertop has a distinct effect
[21:20] <daftykins> ah yeah, standard thing - what's the adapter?
[21:21] <foobarry> 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34)
[21:21] <daftykins> mmhmm
[21:21] <daftykins> oh intel, you used to be the Linux wifi reference cards :(
[21:22] <foobarry> could be the fix. no lag on 5ghz now
[21:23] <daftykins> hope this results in a conviction \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37474595
[21:23] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/8abQ7VjX
[21:23] <foobarry> see if u can see the moment i disable power save
[21:23] <daftykins> heh wow that really was bad
[21:24] <daftykins> perhaps you still have some neighbourhood networks on 5GHz overlapping? i get 2ms on mine
[21:24] <diddledan> foobarry: around 1054ms you turned it off powersave
[21:24] <diddledan> probably just before
[21:25] <diddledan> sequence 5-6
[21:25] <foobarry> after the 108ms. suddenly plummets to 19ms
[21:26] <diddledan> mmhmm
[21:26] <foobarry> i was pinging google dns rather than my router
[21:26] <foobarry> i should do my router
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> *bzzzzz* things said by single geeks... :-P
[21:27] <foobarry> man, i've had this problem for so long
[21:27] <foobarry> irc always been laggy from home
[21:27] <foobarry> websites seem ok
[21:28] <daftykins> oh yeah i didn't even pay attention to the target XD
[21:28] <daftykins> how you folks put up with such crap from your home setups i don't know :)
[21:29] <foobarry> 2.4ghz seems to get lower minimums but more unstable
[21:29] <daftykins> i can imagine wanting to avoid it after a long day... but daym
[21:29] <foobarry> because i'm at work on a 10GB connection most of the day
[21:29] <foobarry> i've been ill for 4 days and off work
[21:29] <foobarry> onlt well enough to look at a tv today though
[21:29] <daftykins> install wifi analyser on an android phone and see how the channels you're using fit with the neighbourhood on each band
[21:30] <foobarry> i did that, but the problem is maainly this prower saving on the card
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> i got a collection of hammers and take it to any misbehaving hardware... you'd be suprised how well hardware behaves when they see what happened to the toaster... :-P
[21:38] <daftykins> poor toaster :(
[21:38] <daftykins> is it Talky Toaster?
[21:39] <m0nkey_> Would you like some toast?
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> that'll teach it to hurt holly!
[21:41] <daftykins> how about a muffin?
[21:42] <m0nkey_> Would you like a cheese and ham Breville?
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> i suppose a bap is out of the question...
[21:43] <m0nkey_> Sorry, but no. I've bun out.
[21:43] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/806589833560801280
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> pity, we were on a roll
[21:44] <m0nkey_> A toast!
[21:44] <diddledan> I knead more
[21:44] <daftykins> bready or not
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> those would only be half baked
[21:45] <m0nkey_> We shouldn't waffle on like this
[21:46] <daftykins> my puns haven't risen yet
[21:46] <diddledan> bagel
[21:46] <daftykins> diddledan: hah at first i wondered why it was just a fuzzed out iPhone home screen
[21:46] <daftykins> rubbish way to convey info
[21:47] <m0nkey_> You shouldn't flower the truth
[21:47] <m0nkey_> And yeast of all, toast!
[21:47] <diddledan> ok, I've had enough, just shut your cake hole!
[21:48] <m0nkey_> Sorry, no bun intended.
[21:48] <diddledan> cinnamon gonna sin
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> that's using your loaf
[21:49] <m0nkey_> I'll try not to sugar coat the truth
[21:49] <diddledan> time I put you on ice(d bun)
[21:50] <daftykins> donut stop (sorry, 'murica spelling)
[21:50] <foobarry> oh, the power saving keeps enabling itself
[21:50] <foobarry> more work required, but first bedtime
[21:50] <m0nkey_> It's currenty impossible.
[21:52] <diddledan> I'm burnt
[21:52] <diddledan> burned?
[21:54] <m0nkey_> Sorry, but I'm unable to rise to the occasion. I'm baked.
[22:06] <daftykins> Canada for you ;)
[22:26] <daftykins> http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=299446 :( this is sad, i knew this guy in #kodi
[22:28] <ball> One day I'll make it to Canada.
[22:29] <m0nkey_> I did. 7 years ago.
[22:31] <m0nkey_> I just never left
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> they left him in the centre and he's still walking towards civilisation... :-P
[22:37] <daftykins> headed dueeeeee sooooouth... that's the way he's goooin ~
[22:37] <daftykins> who remembers that series? ;)
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> it was a great show
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> though i preferred northern exposure
[22:40] <daftykins> not familiar with that one
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> a ny doctor gets his medical school bills paid for if he does a few years service in alaska... hi jinx ensue when he can't escape his service in middle of nowhere
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> cult following, very popular in its time
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Exposure
[22:50] <diddledan> daftykins: I loved that show
[22:51] <daftykins> Diefenbaker-dan!
[22:51] <diddledan> ray veccio was the cop, but I can't think of the RCMP guy
[22:51] <daftykins> crikey i don't know where in my memory i pulled that one from, i should get some episodes
[22:51] <daftykins> and the car model he loved so
[22:52] <diddledan> I remembered "Diefenbaker" as the wolf but didn't remember the dan bit
[22:52] <ball> I liked Northern Exposure!
[22:53] <daftykins> nah i added that to involve you, sir :P
[22:53] <diddledan> aah
[22:53] <diddledan> gotcha
[22:55] <diddledan> so Donald Trump is TIME Magazine's "Person of the Year"
[22:55] <ball> Ugh.
[22:55] <daftykins> ^ Ugh.
[22:55] <ball> Vile wretch that he is.
[22:56] <diddledan> o_O
[22:56] <diddledan> something I said?
[22:56] <diddledan> or did the Trump Protection Detail get him?
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> now that's a job that will see some overtime timesheets turned in...
[23:02] <daftykins> the walls have ears
[23:02] <daftykins> <_< >_>
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> and every laptop, phone, tablet, smart tv...
[23:03] <diddledan> unless it's got a Picasso hanging on it, in which case the wall cut it's own ears off
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully i'm a ninja who sneaks up on cats for practice... :-P
[23:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: with a cucumber?
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> no, that would be cruel.  i give them a gentle head rub and annoy them that they didn't notice me approaching
[23:05] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsysNml153M
[23:06] <daftykins> i must be some form of ninja, one clients house is huge so when i am going to and fro i often give others heart attacks
[23:06] <daftykins> i've joked about needing a cow bell
[23:06] <diddledan> \o/
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> be festive and a set of rudolph antlers with bells on and a red blinky nose...
[23:26] <diddledan> launch at 23:53 UTC: https://youtu.be/C7RD-u2g6Wg
[23:27] <daftykins> aww but that's bed time
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> not if you're trying to sleep within a mile or two of that launch it isn't...
[23:29] <diddledan> sonic, BOOM!
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING NEXT DOOR AGAIN
[23:30] <daftykins> gerd dern neighbours
[23:30] <diddledan> oh those guys, they're always at it in the bedroom
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> but in a moment of pure syncronisation the washing machine gives off no vibrations whatsoever as it is in perfect harmony with the rest of the building...
[23:31] <diddledan> something about orbital insertion with their long stick
[23:33] <daftykins> rudeler!
[23:33] <diddledan> since when have I been anything but?
[23:34] <daftykins> i'll get back to you on that
[23:34] <diddledan> in other news, butts
[23:35] <diddledan> will this giant pokey thing explode?
[23:35] <diddledan> I vote yes.
[23:35] <daftykins> guaranteed, but whether in a controlled fashion or not is perhaps the deciding angle ;D
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> no they remembered to set explodeontakeoff=false in it's ini file...
[23:36] <diddledan> lol
[23:36] <diddledan> that sounds like a kerbal thing
[23:48] <daftykins> so glad chat is disabled
[23:50] <daftykins> guess Jeb is sitting this one out
[23:51] <daftykins> (did they just say the shrimp are running?)
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> light blue touch paper and retire...
[23:53] <daftykins> the way that flame crept up was scary :P
[23:54] <daftykins> that almost sounded like 'voice of Patrick Moore'
[23:54] <daftykins> but i'm sure he's busy playing the xylaphone
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> the announcer is called patrick moore
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> accident with a cloning machine probably
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> you know what christmas parties are like with copiers...