[01:57] <Ziberius> hello
[01:57] <Ziberius> I have an applet to set cpu speed but it doesn't apply changes
[01:58] <bazhang> Ziberius, please dont crosspost
[01:58] <bazhang> stick to the one channel
[01:58] <Ziberius> um
[01:58] <Ziberius> Different problems
[01:59] <Ziberius> i'm talking about a applet here specific to xubuntu
[01:59] <Ziberius> the other problem is with cpufreq-info
[02:29] <xangua> Ziberius: that's because there's an Ubuntu specific setting that makes it always use ondemand
[02:36] <Ziberius> xangua: yes but it should show max speed anyway right?
[02:37] <xangua> Ziberius: is this a laptop?
[02:39] <Ziberius> xangua: yes it is
[02:41] <xangua> Ziberius: if what you want is to get more battery juice from it, I recommend using TLP tools
[02:43] <Ziberius> xangua: not really, I want the opposite, full performance
[02:44] <xangua> Oooh well that's weird :-P
[02:44] <xangua> For what i use mine, it's 80-90% of the time always in the lowest frequency
[02:45] <xangua> Ziberius: did you install and configure cpufreq-utilities?
[02:47] <Ziberius> xangua: yes I installed cpufreq-utils
[02:48] <Ziberius> not sure if it's configureg though but I think so
[02:52] <xangua> Mmmm sorry haven't used cpufreq since 2010
[03:12] <Ziberius> xangua: ok no problem thanx anyways
[11:09] <xubuntu95w> Hello! Can someone help me switch from one wifi connection to another?
[11:58] <knome> xubuntu95w, what's the problem?
[12:03] <xubuntu95w> I am sorry it is complicated. I had a new internet service insalled in my home. I usually get my internet from a wifi hotspot (which is working right now). The new device is a modem / router, and I cannot seem to get connected to it. Or to find anywhere to click on an icon or otherwise to connect / disconnect. I can do command line, but am very new to it. Used to windows. Thank you in advance!
[12:04] <knome> just to be sure, are you sure the settings on the new device are correct, eg. supposed to show up?
[12:08] <xubuntu95w> My girlfriend has a windows computer, and the settings seem to work fine for her, although I have not double checked to make sure they are the same as mine. I also may not have set up the new wifi connection correctly. When I first did a network manager tool, the new wifi (to which I want so switch my connection) showed up on the list of networks (top), but does not now.
[12:09] <knome> does it show up under "more networks" (if there is a menu item like that)?
[12:14] <xubuntu95w> YES, it shows up now (just re-did nm tool).
[12:17] <knome> can you connect to it now?
[12:23] <xubuntu95w> There is the rub. I cannot find a connect icon anywhere. I see places under "Network > Network Settings" to enter DNS and under "Network Connections" to enter other information, but no where, other than in Gigolo to press a "connect" icon.
[12:24] <knome> just click on the network name
[12:24] <knome> to be clear, click on the network (manager) icon on the panel and then the network name
[12:29] <xubuntu95w> The Network icon brings up a "Network Settings" dialog box. After unlock and authentication (password), the dialog box shows three tabs, "General", "DNS" and "Hosts. The network name is on a list within the command line network manager tool which is like the old DOS with white letter on a black background -- nothing on which to click.
[12:36] <xubuntu76w> Sorry Home, I am back
[13:02] <xubuntu45w> hi there! i'm loojing for a way to find back some lost .tex files
[13:04] <xubuntu76w> I am having problems connecting to a wifi network.
[14:01] <ball> I'm going to try Xubuntu on my 64-bit test rig (it wouldn't boot on my 32-bit one)
[14:05] <ball> ....well, the DVD activity light is still flashing. That's probably a good sign, right?
[14:14] <ball> Yay! I got to the Try/Install screen!
[14:26] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[14:28] <ball> It may have stopped working. I have a black screen with nothing on it.
[14:30] <ball> I'll fetch a SATA DVD drive from home and try that.
[14:38] <ball> "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.10 has experienced an internal error."
[15:14] <xubuntu60i> nicely done link on that xubuntu installer page - gbye
[16:02] <xubuntu43w> I cannot connect to wifi. My ISP acts like there is something wrong with xubuntu, since I cannot simply click on the wifi icon to connect. Can someone help me?
[16:03] <gr1dl0ck> xubuntu43w: which wifi adapter do you have?
[16:04] <xubuntu43w> Not sure, Where do I find that? Thank you in advance.
[16:05] <gr1dl0ck> dmesg|more
[16:05] <gr1dl0ck> ???
[16:06] <xubuntu43w> Where do I find the type of wifi adapter? / How can I find that out. Is dmesg/more a command line command?
[16:07] <gr1dl0ck> yes cmd line
[16:08] <xubuntu43w> I am a novice at command line. I have done it a bit. How do I start, with Terminal Emulator, or what?
[16:09] <gr1dl0ck> yes use  a terminal
[16:10] <xubuntu43w> Sorry, I  cannot find the /\ line between dmesg and more.
[16:11] <xubuntu43w> I mean the vertical line between dmesg and more. Sorry.
[16:13] <ball> xubuntu43w: It's probably on the backslash key, if you're in North America
[16:13] <ball> |||
[16:14] <xubuntu46w> Sorry, Gridlock. My connection failed and kicked me offline. Where do I find the vertical line between the dmesg and more ?
[16:14] <ball> xubuntu43w: It's probably on the backslash key, if you're in North America
[16:16] <gr1dl0ck> xubuntu46w: ^ as ball has mentioned it's the shift then backslash key. aka pipe key
[16:18] <ball> If I had a working Linux machine I'd help you with what to look for.
[16:19] <gr1dl0ck> ball: how did you go on the 32 bit machine?
[16:20] <ball> gr1dl0ck: Didn't work at all. Couldn't even boot the installer.
[16:21] <ball> gr1dl0ck: Apparently Xubuntu (or Ubuntu, underneath) depends on PAE.
[16:21] <ball> ...perhaps Linux, underneath Ubuntu.
[16:21] <gr1dl0ck> ball have you tried Linuxlite, it's a xubuntu freespin, designed for older machines https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php
[16:22] <gr1dl0ck> might have some luck with that???
[16:22] <gr1dl0ck> xubuntu46w: please no pms
[16:22] <ball> Thanks for the suggestion gr1dl0ck
[16:23] <gr1dl0ck> I'm going to take a nap bbl guys
[16:23] <xubuntu46w> Hi gridlock. Thanks for coming back. I got dmesg|more to work. No where do I find the wifi adapter?
[16:26] <xubuntu46w> I am having trouble connecting to a wifi modem / gateway router. My ISP acts as if there is something wrong with my xubuntu because I cannot merely click on the wifi icon to connect. Sorry to beg, but I am at wits end, and the person thankfully helping me has left.
[16:30] <ball> Your ISP may be right.  I don't use Linux but I'll try to help if I can.
[16:30] <ball> When you left click on the WiFi icon, are you offered a list of wireless networks?
[16:31] <xubuntu46w> The only way I get a list of networks is with the nm-tool command. I do not know if I am 'supposed to see a list that is 'clickable'.
[16:31] <xubuntu46w> Thank you, ball.
[16:32] <ball> xubuntu46w: Are you using a laptop?
[16:32] <xubuntu46w> Yes, using a laptop. The only place there is a possibility to click "connect" is when I click the wifi icon and get a connect to server dialog box.
[16:35] <ball> Odd that it would say "connect to server"
[16:35] <ball> ...when you're trying to connect to a wireless network.
[16:37] <xubuntu46w> I do not understand either. The ISP was guessing this is to connect a specialized device to the wireless router. I have used the dmseg|more command as Gridlock suggested, but I am not sure where the wireless adapter is found in the list below.
[16:39] <ball> xubuntu46w: try dmesg|grep 802.11
[16:39] <ball> ^- that's a guess
[16:43] <Artemis3> xubuntu46w, you are supposed to click the icon (might show up and down arrows) then that shows list of networks, then you click the name of the thing you want to connect to.
[16:45] <xubuntu46w> Hi Artemis3. Clicking the icon only brings up the Gigolo program, no up / down arrows. No list of networks. A list of networks might have been nice.
[16:45] <Artemis3> that is the wrong icon
[16:46] <xubuntu46w> There is also the Network and Network Connections icons under / after Settings. They are very similar.
[16:46] <Artemis3> xubuntu46w, in this image, the icon is next to volume take a close look: https://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/72cf/1604_thunar.png
[16:47] <Artemis3> it might show something different depending
[16:48] <Artemis3> you should be able to left or right click
[16:48] <Artemis3> it might show "enable network" or such (for wireless)
[16:48] <xubuntu46w> This brings up "Windows Network" only.
[16:48] <Artemis3> do not turn off network there or else you need to check your laptop has the wifi on (it does turn it off)
[16:49] <Artemis3> hmm can you take a pic of your desktop?
[16:49] <Artemis3> and upload to imgur or such?
[16:50] <Artemis3> with the menu it shows when you click the icon
[16:50] <xubuntu46w> Sorry. No phone / photo available. I am familiar with wifi switches (which can be utterly confounding) on laptops. I will take a min to look at mine.
[16:50] <Artemis3> can you connect with patch cord (lan cable)?
[16:51] <xubuntu46w> It just shoes a checkerboard within a square and says "Windows Network". And I CAN connect via an ethernet cable.
[16:51] <Artemis3> when things are normal connecting to wifi is simply click that icon and click the network (asks for password) and its done
[16:52] <Artemis3> you can connect using ethernet, press print screen and upload the capture to imgur xD
[16:52] <Artemis3> or simillar
[16:52] <xubuntu46w> Not happening for me. I searched, and found no physical wifi switch. Maybe there is a key board command on this old Dell.
[16:52] <Artemis3> yes that is very possible, also in bios
[16:53] <Artemis3> you should not use the icon to turn off the network, or it will physically turn off the wifi
[16:53] <Artemis3> it helps if your laptop has a light indicating wifi on
[16:54] <xubuntu46w> I will try as you suggest. I would need to create the imgur account. However, maddeningly, there is a little light above the keyboard which says wifi and it is on. I will try to take the print screen of the Network screen and get it to you. I fear it will not help, but let me go at it for a min.
[16:54] <Artemis3> many laptops have fn (something) to turn on/off wifi, or a slider or button
[16:55] <Artemis3> xubuntu46w, use another service
[16:55] <Artemis3> imgbox maybe?
[16:56] <Artemis3> since it worked once, im guessing something happened
[16:56] <xubuntu46w> Now where to I find print screen except with my browser?
[16:56] <Artemis3> lol in your keyboard, maybe its in blue print somewhere and you need to press fn
[16:56]  * ball makes a point of not mentioning xwd
[16:56] <Artemis3> fn prnt scr or such
[16:56] <Artemis3> well there are other ways to launch the screen capture
[16:57] <Artemis3> but that seems simpler
[16:58] <Artemis3> which laptop model it is?
[16:59] <xubuntu46w> Maybe I can transfer the screen capture via USB stick. The laptop is a Dell Vostro 1000. Lemme go grab a USB stick.
[16:59] <Artemis3> oh if thats easier than connecting by wire
[17:00] <Artemis3> give the laptop model
[17:02] <Artemis3> ok
[17:04] <Artemis3> lo and behold it is fn f2
[17:04] <Artemis3> hope it has a led...
[17:06] <Artemis3> well connect using wire and issue this command in the terminal/console: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[17:07] <Artemis3> then restart and hope for the best, ill be away for half hour or so.
[17:08] <xubuntu46w> OK. NOw I am going to set up an imgur account and get back to you. The damn system did not like the unapproved characters in the time of screen shot which was in the file name. Now on to imgur.
[17:09] <xubuntu46w> Screen shot: http://imgur.com/a/gd2xh
[17:09] <xubuntu46w> Function F2 does indeed make the wifi light go on and off. It was on. Sorry.
[17:11] <xubuntu46w> Gonna restart now.
[17:12] <ball> Set fire to it.
[17:13] <xubuntu46w> The literal interpret. of your slang reflects my current feelings about it.
[17:14] <ball> Slang?
[17:16] <xubuntu46w> I meant colloquialism / expression. Unfortunately, the restart brings up the same problem, Browse Network is greyed out and only the right click brings up anything, and tat this the windows network in the screenshot. I got a "not online" message when I restarted, asking me to us the network menu (?) to search networks.
[17:19] <xubuntu46w> Turning the wifi off via fn f2 turns it on again, but with the same results of no networks. Back to looking at the wifi adapter again? I assume you saw the screenshot.
[17:20] <ball> I didn't.
[17:20] <xubuntu46w> It seems to be there http://imgur.com/a/gd2xh
[17:21] <ball> I see a WiFi icon that is blue, suggesting that it works.
[17:21] <ball> If you're not seeing any wirless networks when you click on that, I don't know what to suggest.
[17:21] <ball> Is your wireless network on 5 GHz or 2.4 GHz?
[17:22] <xubuntu46w> How would I determine that?
[17:23] <xubuntu46w> BTW, thanks for your help. I suspect the wifi is working at the modem, as its icon is on and the ISP reported it working and reset it twice.
[17:24] <xubuntu46w> I meant the icon at the modem itself.
[17:31] <ball> modems don't do WiFi. You're probably talking about a wireless router with a modem built in.
[17:43] <xubuntu43w> I've been going round and round trying to troubleshoot why I cannot connect to my wireless router (I have a laptop). Several people have been very helpful and we have checked a lot of things. Is anyone else game to try?
[17:49] <ball> I shouldn't be trying to help anyone. I don't even have a Linux.
[17:50] <ball> I should go to lunch but I'm not sure I'm allowed to leave.
[17:51] <Artemis3> xubuntu43w, i see your icon in blue, what does it show when you click that?
[17:52] <xubuntu43w> Hi ball. I should have eaten several hours ago. You were helping me before. I might have a lead. I have been through some xubuntu troubleshooting. When investigating if the drivers are working, it shows the device is not working.
[17:53] <ball> Odd that it would be blue if it wasn't working.
[17:53] <xubuntu43w> Hi Artimis. It just brings up that pesky Windows Network icon. The screenshot is http://imgur.com/a/gd2xh. Back to that.
[17:54] <ball> xubuntu43w: Have you tried a USB WiFi adaptor?
[17:54] <Artemis3> xubuntu43w, you should show that window in your screencapture
[17:54] <Artemis3> oh that
[17:54] <xubuntu43w> Do not have one. Otherwise I would. I am connected to the interned via the modem / router on this computer, which I am using.
[17:54] <Artemis3> nvm
[17:54] <Artemis3> what does right click do?
[17:55] <xubuntu43w> Right click only opens in new tab or window, or opens.
[17:56] <Artemis3> what does it say if you put the cursor on top of the icon (without clicking)
[17:58] <xubuntu43w> network:///
[17:58] <Artemis3> hmm
[17:58] <ball> Wrong icon perhaps?
[17:58] <Artemis3> yes
[17:58] <Artemis3> that is not network-manager
[17:59] <Artemis3> gigolo is a samba browser and we want nothing with it
[17:59] <xubuntu43w> It is the one under NETWORK in the File Manager
[17:59] <Artemis3> close it and never open that again
[17:59] <Artemis3> i dont see your network manager icon for some reason
[18:00] <xubuntu43w> Let me try to get you a screenshot of what the "additional drivers" tab of software and updates says. It indicated
[18:00] <Artemis3> which is not blue btw
[18:00] <xubuntu43w> Sorry, It indicates that the device is not working.
[18:00] <Artemis3> did you do the command line?
[18:00] <Artemis3> but still there is a bigger issue
[18:01] <ball> I'd play along if Xubuntu worked on my hardware.
[18:01] <Artemis3> if you have the iso boot it up
[18:01] <xubuntu43w> The Wifi icon under network is there. I am not familiar with a network manager icon. I am new to command line, but have been using it all morning with the online troubleshooting.
[18:02] <xubuntu43w> ISO? I just bought the computer with xubuntu on it. No original boot disc or similar.
[18:02] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: seen this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/101632/dell-vostro-1000-broadcom-wireless-connection
[18:02] <ball> You can buy computers with Xubuntu on?!
[18:02] <flocculant> last comment says fixed issue 16.04.1 last month
[18:03] <Artemis3> so it should have worked out of the box
[18:03] <Artemis3> maybe he used the old 16.04 iso
[18:03] <flocculant> ball: you'd buy a computer with xubuntu if I sold you one :D
[18:03] <xubuntu43w> Yes, Artemis3, I use command line. The computer was bought new and refurbished from an outfit that recycles, provides networking solutions for non-profits, and provides training and and employment.
[18:03] <ball> flocculant: Doubt I could afford it.
[18:03] <Artemis3> do you have 16.04.1 iso xubuntu43w or the older 16.04 ?
[18:04] <Artemis3> flocculant, i bet its simply a kernel update
[18:04] <flocculant> Artemis3: no - comment says 'it fixed their problem' so I assume they had similar problems
[18:04] <ball> Tempted to go home at lunch time and bring one of my own in.
[18:04] <Artemis3> flocculant, then a simple update-upgrade may fix it
[18:05] <flocculant> no - that's not what the page says at all :)
[18:05] <xubuntu43w> Actually, 14.04   I got a message to 'upgrade' (sorry if my nomenclature is wrong) but it warned me parts of the distribution is were from untrusted sources.
[18:05] <Artemis3> oh i read it, b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer why i told him an hour ago xD
[18:05] <Artemis3> ouch
[18:05] <Artemis3> 14.04....
[18:06] <Artemis3> ok the solution is the same
[18:06] <Artemis3> do what that page says
[18:06] <Artemis3> you have to plug the ethernet
[18:06] <xubuntu43w> Artemis3, do I look for the software manager and update?
[18:06] <Artemis3> nah
[18:07] <Artemis3> there is a series of commands in that page
[18:07] <xubuntu43w> I can do that via an ethernet cable, if that is recommended.
[18:07] <Artemis3> do them when you plug your ethernet cable
[18:07] <Artemis3> it is necesary
[18:07] <xubuntu43w> Which page is that, again?
[18:07] <Artemis3> lol
[18:07] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/101632/dell-vostro-1000-broadcom-wireless-connection
[18:08] <Artemis3> our broadcom friends strike again
[18:08] <xubuntu43w> I should plug into ethernet and go to that page, and follow the cmd lines? Yes/No
[18:09] <Artemis3> should be easier that way to copy/paste
[18:09] <xubuntu43w> I'm gonna get that page on a USB stick and then go do the cmd line you suggest.
[18:09] <Artemis3> oh my
[18:10] <Artemis3> ok
[18:10] <xubuntu43w> Oh my good? Or oh my bad?
[18:11] <Artemis3> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer ; sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source ; sudo reboot
[18:12] <Artemis3> type that after you have internet working with the ethernet cable
[18:12] <Artemis3> or copy paste
[18:12] <Artemis3> hmm i should have used && ah well
[18:12] <Artemis3> have faith xD
[18:12] <xubuntu43w> Actually just as easy to email myself. Faith is for the faint of heart. I am on it (firing it up). Will let you know in a few.
[18:13] <Artemis3> haha well if you want to be more correct in case of failure, replace all ; with &&
[18:14] <Artemis3> but i have faith there won't be any failures, because murphy is always wrong xD
[18:14] <Artemis3> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer && sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo reboot
[18:15] <Artemis3> easy peasy
[18:15] <Artemis3> ; is my bad habit
[18:23] <xubuntu43w> Sorry, Atemis3, it asks for my sudo password, and then does not respond to keyboard (either pressing letters or past password command).
[18:24] <xubuntu43w> I meant paste password command.
[18:24] <xubuntu43w> I need a [sudo] password?
[18:28] <xubuntu43w> I was doing the command line to install the proper driver, as instructed, but it asks for a [sudo] password, and at the same time, does not respond to my keyboad. What gives?
[18:29] <ball> xubuntu43w: Perhaps it's listening to what you type but not echoing those characters to the screen. If you type your password correctly and press [Enter], what happens?
[18:31] <Artemis3> yes ball its not supposed to show anything when you input your password
[18:31] <ball> Artemis3: That was my guess.
[18:32] <Artemis3> you are ready for linux, what is your issue with it?
[18:32] <ball> Artemis3: Me?  I just need hardware that can run it.  I probably have a computer at home that I could fetch at lunch time or bring into the office tomorrow.
[18:33] <Artemis3> you said you couldn't run xubuntu
[18:33]  * ball nods
[18:33] <Artemis3> what hardware you have?
[18:33] <xubuntu43w> What am I do to, it will not accept any password. It only allows me to press enter, and indicates I still need the password.
[18:33] <ball> Artemis3: The two test rigs in front of me are a VIA C3 at 1 GHz (no PAE = no Xubuntu) and an Atom 230 at 1.6 GHz (install failed)
[18:34] <Artemis3> press ctrl-c  xubuntu43w
[18:34] <ball> xubuntu43w: Sounds as though you're mistyping it.
[18:34] <Artemis3> yeah of course he needs to repeat the commant (arrow up) then type the password when prompted
[18:35] <Artemis3> ball, both have solutions
[18:35] <xubuntu43w> It will not let me type anything except to press enter. I know how to type my password, but it will accept nothing. Arrow up? When?
[18:35] <Artemis3> first press ctrl c
[18:35] <Artemis3> then press arrow up so the commant is repeated
[18:35] <Artemis3> then press enter, it will ask your password
[18:35] <Artemis3> type it BLINDLY and press enter
[18:35] <Artemis3> done
[18:37] <Artemis3> ball, the c3 is more challenging, but can be done. you could also do the atom without much problem, the c3 is probably too slow xD
[18:38] <Artemis3> i played with someone's c3 last year but the thing suddendly died on me for no apparent reason xD
[18:38] <ball> I could try it on one of the Pentium 4 boxes in the store room. I forgot about those.
[18:38] <Artemis3> ball, ah thats much easier if you want.
[18:39] <Artemis3> the atom should have worked out of the box tho
[18:39]  * ball nods
[18:39] <Artemis3> 32 bit ofc
[18:39] <ball> Artemis3: It's amd64-compatible.
[18:39] <ball> Artemis3: ...but I was trying the i386 ISO
[18:39] <Artemis3> not that model i don't think so
[18:39] <Artemis3> but you could always try
[18:39] <ball> It really is.  I've run 64-bit operating systems on it before.
[18:40] <Artemis3> if you have the spare ram to make it worth
[18:40] <xubuntu43w> This is starting to get very aggrevating. I press control + C, but that just repeats my username / computer name. I am marching from computer to computer. There is no way that it is letting me enter my password. What gives?
[18:40] <Artemis3> heh
[18:40] <ball> xubuntu43w: Try hitting ^C twice.
[18:40] <Artemis3> close the terminal and start again
[18:40] <ball> ^- or that
[18:41] <Artemis3> at least you get some exercise out of it :3
[18:41] <Artemis3> ball, with the c3 i suppose you could just use another distro
[18:42] <Artemis3> you need the older kernel, one for i586 (not 686)
[18:42] <ball> Artemis3: I'm wondering whether it's more of a kernel issue than distro-specific.
[18:42]  * ball nods
[18:42] <Artemis3> yes ubuntu ships with i686
[18:42] <Artemis3> so p4 is about the min
[18:42] <Artemis3> (and they want to remove that too)
[18:43]  * ball waits patiently for a thing to finish.
[18:43] <Artemis3> a lite distro for older hardware would be better suited imo
[18:44] <xubuntu43w> Now I am really geting steamed. Where is ^ on my keyboard anyway? This is ridiculous. No way to enter password.
[18:44] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: ctrl+c
[18:44] <genii> Sounds like a pretty crappy keyboard
[18:44] <Artemis3> ball, if you perform a text install (debian-installer) in expert mode, there is a point where you can pick kernels, but haven't done one in ubuntu recently.
[18:45] <ball> ^C just means hold Ctrl down while you press C.
[18:45] <Artemis3> funny i didnt type the caret
[18:45] <xubuntu43w> Control C just keeps repating my goddam computer name. I have tried it multiple times.
[18:45] <Artemis3> but yeah
[18:45] <ball> Artemis3: I did.
[18:45] <Artemis3> well stop doing it xD
[18:45]  * ball grins
[18:45] <Artemis3> close the terminal open new terminal, and repeat the command
[18:46] <xubuntu43w> Once again, there is no way to enter my password. I have tried a new terminal three times now.
[18:46] <Artemis3> er
[18:46] <Artemis3> when it asks the password
[18:46] <Artemis3> type it in your keybord without looking at the screen, then hit enter.
[18:46] <xubuntu43w> Surely you jest.
[18:47] <Artemis3> no
[18:47] <Artemis3> i said blindly for a reason
[18:47] <xubuntu43w> Are you playing with me?
[18:47] <ball> xubuntu43w: I'm starting to wonder whether you're winding us up.
[18:47] <Artemis3> sudo command asks for password, you will see nothing when you type the password
[18:47] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: no - I think by blindly - they mean don't look at the screen
[18:48] <xubuntu43w> Pressing on any keys except for enter does nothing.
[18:48] <Artemis3> -_-
[18:48] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: you get absolutely nothing showing on screen when you type password
[18:48] <ball> brb
[18:49] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: also when you ctrl+c it WILL return to just show you your pc name
[18:50] <Artemis3> maybe we have to use gksudo :3
[18:50] <flocculant> Artemis3: which would need installing ...
[18:50] <Artemis3> lol yeah i forgot if its included anymore xD
[18:50] <flocculant> :)
[18:57] <ball> xubuntu43w: It's doing what it is supposed to do.  You are not supposed to see anything when you type your password.  Please make sure you type it correctly.
[19:05] <xubuntu43w> OK. Now I get it. The password and all evidence thereof does not show on the screen. Sorry for my impatience. However, the problem still persists.
[19:06] <xubuntu43w> No networks visible when clicking on the icon. However, my weather widget seems to be not only working, but updatine. Where is it getting its data from, I wonder?
[19:07] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: I thought you were connected to ethernet?
[19:09] <xubuntu43w> flocculant  I was. Then I disconnected, to try to use my wifi. Same reaction to clicking on the network icon both times.
[19:09] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: so while connected you ran through the web page I linked you?
[19:10] <xubuntu43w> I ran through the keyboard commands, and everything seemed to go well. The computer restart even took longer than usual, which I took to be a sign that I had indeed changed something. Or am I being a digital mystic there?
[19:12] <flocculant> ok - and did you run the lspci command to check you had the same card?
[19:13] <flocculant> not that I'll be of much help here - no wifi, not ever, so no need to ever troubleshoot it ...
[19:14] <xubuntu43w> No. Is lspci the entire command? I only did the $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer $ sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source $ sudo reboot
[19:15] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: sudo lspci -nn
[19:16] <flocculant> it should say Broadcom something - let channel know the something you have
[19:19] <xubuntu95w> hey guys
[19:19] <xubuntu95w> how do I submit bugs to xubuntu
[19:20] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: ubuntu-bug packagename
[19:20] <xubuntu95w> I have no idea what package is creating the bug
[19:20] <xubuntu95w> Basically when I suspend, and I come back, the mouse cursor disappears
[19:21] <flocculant> oh
[19:22] <flocculant> that
[19:22] <xubuntu43w> I will go try that. Thanks!
[19:23] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: have you updated?
[19:23] <xubuntu95w> I tend to just update by version number
[19:23] <xubuntu95w> but not by packages
[19:23] <xubuntu43w> Flocculant: I ran that command, and it looks like nothing has changed, but I could be wrong. Network and Ethernet controllers are both Broadcom. Should I be looking at something else?
[19:23] <xubuntu95w> Usually when I update by packages, something breaks
[19:24] <flocculant> xubuntu95w: bug 1568604
[19:25] <xubuntu95w> awesome
[19:25] <xubuntu95w> I just go by LTS and wait for the newer LTS release
[19:25] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: so what was did it say after Broadcom Corporation?
[19:26] <flocculant> xubuntu95w: well, what version are you running? - that bug should be fixed by updating packages for 16.04 iirc
[19:26] <flocculant> anyway - that bug should help
[19:27] <xubuntu95w> yep and reccomends updating a certain package
[19:27] <xubuntu43w> For which, Network or Ethernet controller? Network controller is BCM4312 802.lib/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 22)
[19:29] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: that's what people will need
[19:29]  * flocculant is off now
[19:30] <xubuntu43w> Sorry, flocculant, what? Did it work? Cause I still cannot connect. Did it upgrade? I will leave you alone after this. THanks again for your help!
[19:30] <Artemis3> xubuntu43w, just to be clear, the blue thing is not the network icon, you should try to right click remove that. i need to go out soon you need to sort out why is network-manager icon not showing
[19:31] <Artemis3> gigolo is not network-manager and has nothing to do with it
[19:31] <Artemis3> sadly it uses an icon resembling network
[19:32] <xubuntu43w> Thanks! I thought the icon at File System (or whatever) is the one. Anyway, it had not improved, it still says only the Microsoft Network. OK to leave, I have been at this for over 8 hours and am ready to eat and otherwise take care of myself. Thank you for all your help!
[19:33] <Artemis3> i bet its already fixed, you just need to fix networ-manager
[19:34] <xubuntu43w> Bulwinkle only knows how I can fix the network manager. Thanks again!
[19:35] <Artemis3> well next person that comes to chat tell them you have lost the network-manager icon somehow and you need to restore it so you can pick wifi
[19:35] <xubuntu43w> Thanks muchly!
[19:38]  * ball thinks about going off in search of lunch.
[19:38] <xubuntu43w> Ball go get lunch. I have had it. I am going to get lubreakfast.
[19:41] <ball> At this point I might just get coffee.
[19:50]  * genii slides one over to ball
[22:22] <genii> ball: BTW I yanked the drive out of that thing and now rediculously managed to boot it on another box with a Q6600 socket 775
[22:25]  * ball grins
[22:25] <gr1dl0ck> ball: how did you go
[22:26] <ball> gr1dl0ck: I might have a go tomorrow.
[22:26] <gr1dl0ck> did you get anything installed on that 32bit machine
[22:26] <ball> gr1dl0ck: Yes but it's not Linux ;-)
[22:26] <gr1dl0ck> ok
[22:27] <gr1dl0ck> ok
[22:27] <ball> I put three PATA disks in it and it's currently running NetBSD.  I did download a Linux Lite ISO image though.
[22:27] <ball> I should burn that to a DVD
[22:30] <gr1dl0ck> nice
[22:42] <ball> Well that was nice: had a user with a question and I was able to spin up a desktop that he could use but I could watch, so I could talk him through the thing he needed to learn.
[22:43] <ball> ...presumably that'll work the other way too, so that I can demonstrate things and users can watch.