[01:26] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[01:26] <sintre> hi
[01:27] <LINKSWORD2> Would anybody here be able to help me with Steam?
[01:27] <sintre> installing or issues after?
[01:27] <sintre> just installed it yesterday
[01:28] <sintre> on new pc
[01:28] <[Relic]> always steam you'd think people would upgrade to coal or nuclear by now
[01:28] <LINKSWORD2> Issues after. I go to start it up and I get an error that says "Could not find the program 'ksystraycmd'
[01:28] <sintre> well we do keep RELICS around now don't we :P
[01:28] <sintre> ok have you done full update of system
[01:29] <sintre> or packages
[01:29]  * LINKSWORD2 can hear a joke-drum.
[01:29] <LINKSWORD2> It's been about 5 years or so since I've been on Ubuntu / Kubuntu or any Linux distro for that matter....
[01:30] <LINKSWORD2> If anything, my knowledge is out of date, or has evaporated from my memory....
[01:30] <[Relic]> how'd you go so long without a good computer?
[01:30] <sintre> k then on second let me get commands these might help issue
[01:30] <sintre> in knsole type
[01:30] <LINKSWORD2> Relic: I worked at an IT store where the primary environment was Windows....
[01:31] <sintre> sudo apt-get update
[01:31] <[Relic]> did you sneak out a copy of win7 for me  :)
[01:31] <sintre> after that sudo apt ful-upgrade
[01:31] <sintre> sry thats sudo apt full-upgrade
[01:31] <sintre> need the - there
[01:31] <LINKSWORD2> Heh, heh, Relic.
[01:32] <sintre> and spell full coreclty lol
[01:32] <LINKSWORD2> I'll admit, I do quite enjoy using terminal commands, rather than a software engine like Windows Update.... lol
[01:33] <sintre> be good to her she'll update you lol
[01:33]  * LINKSWORD2 mind goes in the gutter.*
[01:33] <sintre> < me has more dates with konsole last few days then he wanted , but is starting to like it
[01:34]  * sintre forgot the me command
[01:34] <sintre> also after updating everything i'd remove steam then reinstall
[01:34] <[Relic]> normally have 4 konsoles open at all time, and some temporary, too bad I can't get seperate sessions on each monitor yet  :(
[01:34] <sintre> because steam updates itself on what it finds
[01:35] <sintre> Relic yes we need our multi monitors to work
[01:35] <sintre> makes me sad no console on tv yet at correct resolution :(
[01:35]  * sintre is sad
[01:35] <weboh> How do lookup an icon's target, or OS command?
[01:35]  * LINKSWORD2 gulps.*
[01:36] <sintre> Wish i could help some more knowledgable people normally lurk here than me
[01:36] <sintre> i only comment on stuff when I did it myself
[01:37] <LINKSWORD2> Well, that's unusual....
[01:37] <LINKSWORD2> KDE Notifier has an icon that says I have 19 packages to update, but when I click on the icon, it opens Discover, which says; "Your system is up to date."
[01:37] <sintre> use konsole
[01:37] <sintre> and update then upgrade via the commands
[01:37] <[Relic]> icon's target?  like the edit application in the menu showing what it is running and what arguements for it?
[01:37] <sintre> discover is like the short lil bus version of updating
[01:37] <genii> weboh: Right-click on K, "Edit Applications"
[01:38] <weboh> Relic: like a windows shortcut target. forgive the alien OS
[01:38] <sintre> link have you installed back ports as well?
[01:39] <sintre> if not type in
[01:39] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[01:39] <weboh> Perhaps you can't assign a shortcut to an icon easily in Linux
[01:39] <LINKSWORD2> sintre: Don't suppose you know how to change the color of the clock font?
[01:39] <sintre> platy around with themes
[01:39] <sintre> play sry
[01:40] <[Relic]> is the icon on the desktop?
[01:40] <sintre> kde is kinda all or nothing when it comes to colors of certain things
[01:40] <[Relic]> cause right click -> icon settings brings up the shortcut menu
[01:41] <sintre> so clock is a widget thereofre follows theme of whatever you have
[01:41] <weboh> Relic: if I would drag an icon to the desktop, but it won't work as a shortcut. I would be SOL, lest...?
[01:41] <sintre> there are 5 prebuilt ones in kubuntu i believe but you can download more
[01:42] <[Relic]> silly thing is you can't even set color with the digital clock anymore  :(
[01:42] <sintre> i'm still trying to pick out the one i want to use for my new lappy
[01:42] <D-rex> I'm on Kubuntu 16.10,  I keep getting a random error: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN.  Someone suggested to flush the dns but I don't how to.
[01:42] <sintre> well soon we will have an updated plsma and maybe then all will be well
[01:42] <weboh> genii: nice hint. but it doesn't my conceptual understanding
[01:43] <[Relic]> weboh, not sure, can always drag something to the taskbar and set it and see if it works
[01:43] <weboh> linux on laptops is awesome. Laptop hardware is already outdated. and windows is not necessary. >:)
[01:44] <sintre> yes i like my new budget lappy :)
[01:44] <sintre> but windows 10 fkin made my damn near throw it off my balcony
[01:45] <sintre> decided to give it self a new build every two days
[01:45] <sintre> everytime destroying all myswttings
[01:45] <weboh> I have a $400 touch screen USB 2 sata 2 laptop. It runs linux completely speedwise.
[01:45] <sintre> last straw was when it decided my not touch screen laptop was a tablet
[01:45] <sintre> then i took the hdd and installed kubuntu :)
[01:46] <LINKSWORD2> LOL sintre. I'm actually W10 certified.
[01:46] <sintre> well your here thats a start :)
[01:46] <weboh> Windows 10 isn't really a problem, but putting it on a laptop is not necessary.
[01:47] <LINKSWORD2> I'll admit, as an OS, it can be a bit picky. It's more for tablets and touchscreen systems than conventional systems, i.e. laptops and desktops.
[01:47] <sintre> ok don't dig deeper hole now hhehe , yea link weidest thing every
[01:47] <LINKSWORD2> I use W10 for business, W8.1 for gaming, and Linux for tinkering and other enjoyments.
[01:47] <sintre> i thought win 8 was  a pain but people shelled that to be funcional quick
[01:48] <sintre> with the os with a  mind of its own you can't do anything about it anmore
[01:48] <weboh> I couldn't windows 10 installed properly on my SSD, so I gave up and put Kubuntu on it. WOW, It was faster than my $200 furbished laptop. shit of holies man
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> LOL weboh
[01:48] <sintre> yea using a 250 gig crucial ssd myself in new lappy
[01:49] <weboh> Kingston here
[01:49] <sintre> ohh yea i thru the piece of garbage 5200 rpm drive dell sent with it in an external enclosure
[01:49] <LINKSWORD2> Apart from my W10 tablet-pc, I don't actually have any hardware that relies on an SSD. A majority of my hardware is a combination of IDE and SATA drives.
[01:49] <sintre> those are interfaces
[01:50] <sintre> my ssd is sata 3
[01:50] <LINKSWORD2> The reason I do that is so I can have compatibility with all kinds of PC's for data recovery and troubleshooting.
[01:51] <LINKSWORD2> Of course, if it's real trouble, I get out the Smith & Wesson 20-gauge.
[01:51] <weboh> I have a sata 3 ssd on my windows 10 tower. The only time when windows is necessary.
[01:51] <sintre> the ones we're talking about aren't like soldered on to motherboard memory type
[01:51] <sintre> although they're so small , its a pain to use them in an exxternal enclose
[01:51] <sintre> enclosure
[01:51] <sintre> so gotta be carefully there
[01:52] <weboh> solid state through a usb port is sucking the mud through a straw.
[01:52]  * LINKSWORD2 spits.* If my tablet's OS drive wasn't soldered into the motherboard, I'd probably wipe it and start over...
[01:52] <LINKSWORD2> I'm too lazy to mess with it. And it's actually quite productive for my business uses.
[01:52] <sintre> hey if it works it works
[01:53]  * LINKSWORD2 nods.*
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> Indeed.
[01:53] <sintre> , but i'm not gonna let wincrap 10 change my settings every other week when it chooses too
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> Anyway, sintre... Thanks for the help. I'll be back after a reboot.
[01:53] <sintre> k pls come back tell us if it works for you
[01:54] <sintre> well don't think he'l be back like normal hehe
[01:54] <sintre> but hope that got him on right track
[01:57] <sintre> welcome back link
[01:57] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks. Looks like Steam still crashed on startup.
[01:57] <sintre> uninstall steam before you do anything
[01:57] <sintre> sudo apt remove steam
[01:58] <sintre> once done , then sudo apt install steam
[01:58] <sintre> steam has to adapt to new system upgrade
[01:59] <sintre> hit tab in install to accept terms
[01:59] <LINKSWORD2> Package 'steam:i386' is not installed, so not removed
[01:59] <sintre> ok then try to reinstall from conole
[02:00] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure what the issue is. If I'm reading it right, i386 refers to an Intel processor... My system is AMD.
[02:00] <sintre> konsole sry
[02:00] <sintre> try the install command and tell us what is says
[02:01] <LINKSWORD2> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:01] <LINKSWORD2>   libxss1:i386 steam:i386
[02:01] <sintre> hit yes
[02:02] <sintre> and at terms hit tab to agree
[02:02] <LINKSWORD2> K.
[02:02] <LINKSWORD2> Well, then it should be installed.
[02:02] <LINKSWORD2> Suggest an OS reboot to complete?
[02:03] <sintre> yes
[02:03] <LINKSWORD2> Standby.
[02:03] <sintre> after terminal is done doing anything
[02:03] <sintre> wait no
[02:03] <sintre> crap
[02:04] <sintre> was gonna tell him wasn't needed as steam has to finish its own update
[02:06] <sintre> wb
[02:06] <sintre> get your steam login info rdy
[02:06] <sintre> and go to games  then steam
[02:06] <sintre> it will finish loading itself
[02:07] <LINKSWORD2> We're about to find out.
[02:08]  * sintre waits silently
[02:09]  * LINKSWORD2 waits loudly.*
[02:10] <LINKSWORD2> BOO-YAH!
[02:10] <LINKSWORD2> Erm.... Finally. xD
[02:10] <sintre> you in you in?
[02:10] <sintre> GRATZ link
[02:11] <LINKSWORD2> Did anybody bring the alcohol, because I've got the party right here!!!
[02:11] <sintre> ohh yea , :)
[02:11] <sintre> got myself a nice icehouse beer here to celebrate
[02:12]  * sintre passes links a brewsky
[02:12] <LINKSWORD2> Nice. Thanks.
[03:47] <johnathon> I might be a huge faggot
[03:48] <sintre> lol , and somebody join the channel just to say that
[06:14] <d3mn9> hello am i online now lol
[06:16] <d3mn9> i want to get rid of win10, getting bluescreens every 4-5 days. fucks me up
[06:16] <d3mn9> which distribution is best for a math student?
[06:16] <d3mn9> i'm on kubuntu 16.10 live right nwo
[06:17] <d3mn9> does anyone read this pls answer
[06:22] <hateball> d3mn9: what do you mean "best"
[06:23] <hateball> In the end, everything is much the same. Pick a DE you like (KDE Plasma) and install whatever other packages you need
[06:24] <d3mn9> the most uncomplicated. i have tried ubuntu a few years ago when i was in school. was kinda overwhelmed by the expected knowledge around the system
[06:25] <d3mn9> or lets say the least complicated, because they all obviously are not windows haha
[06:26] <hateball> Nothing is complicated once you know it
[06:26] <d3mn9> on kali i saw a package manager where you can type in what youre looing for and just download the package without going too deep into the commands like apt-get
[06:26] <hateball> Kubuntu uses Discover for that
[06:27] <hateball> But you're likely in for a bad time if you refuse to learn at least some CLI managment
[06:27] <d3mn9> that of course i will have to
[06:27] <hateball> And if you're asking for help on IRC, people *will* assume you know how to paste commands into a terminal
[06:28] <hateball> as "apt install vlc" is a lot easier than explaining how to open a package manager and search and click etc etc
[06:29] <d3mn9> what about installing lets say scilab or matlab or some c coding software
[06:29] <d3mn9> just checking out discover
[06:33] <d3mn9> in discover for example i cannot find vlc, i know the installation process of course
[06:34] <d3mn9> is there a list of the most common software with all the package names?
[06:36] <hateball> d3mn9: I think Discover is a curated app
[06:36] <hateball> I only use apt so I do not know
[06:36] <d3mn9> i have to admit, i never really tried to get into it. if i just google a program i want to use, it leads me to the website where i can download the files right?
[06:36] <d3mn9> there are tar.gz and deb files
[06:36] <d3mn9> which ones are for which system?
[06:36] <hateball> d3mn9: Dont download things outside the repos unless you know what you are doing
[06:37] <hateball> and even then, dont
[06:37] <hateball> it's not really harder than "apt search scilab"
[06:37] <hateball> !packages
[06:37] <d3mn9> for example as i needed to install java jre
[06:37] <hateball> !java
[06:37] <d3mn9> and didnt know how to use apt
[06:53] <d3mn9> can i run kubuntu from a 32 or 64gb usb3 dongle every day for a testing period of 6 months? how would the performance develop?
[06:54] <d3mn9> well first question is quite unnecessary because the answer is obviously yes
[06:54] <hateball> A persistent install on a thumbdrive is... well it runs
[06:55] <hateball> If it's USB3 with decent read/write I suppose you could live with it
[06:57] <d3mn9> well i have this fat guy sandisk extreme, but this may be a bit chunky for everyday use
[08:05] <user__> How do I install applications in Kubuntu?
[08:09] <hateball> !discover
[08:09] <hateball> ugh
[08:09] <hateball> !packages | user__
[08:10] <acheronuk> !plasma-discover
[08:11] <hateball> user__: alt+f2 -> search for either "muon" or "discover" to get gui options, otherwise it's "apt search vlc" or whatever, then "sudo apt install vlc" once you know the package name
[08:11] <acheronuk> !info plasma-discover
[08:11] <acheronuk> !info muon
[08:15] <user__> so how do I know which way of installing them is correct? Are these things conflicting?
[08:16] <user__> And I downloaded an application, read README files and followed the instructions but they were quite different
[08:16] <user__> Did I damage my system?
[08:17] <user__> Seems like it's working properly, but I don't know if I can reboot?
[08:20] <user__> should I uninstall the package?
[08:25] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:26] <user__> Good morning, do you know if I should uninstall a package if it wasn't
[08:26] <user__> if it was installed by how is in README file of this application?
[08:27] <hateball> user__: You shouldnt be downloading things outside the repos, then you are on your own
[08:28] <user__> can you say if a computer will start up properly if I reboot it?
[08:28] <hateball> user__: You wont neccesarily damage your system, you're just doing things outside the scope of support in here
[08:28] <acheronuk> no-one can ever say that for sure
[08:28] <user__> so how do I reverse the changes?
[08:29] <hateball> Reading the instructions provided for whatever you downloaded seems a reasonable action
[08:30] <user__> so why do instructions in the package tell people how to install an application incorrectly?
[08:31] <acheronuk> what are you installing? from where? and how did you do it?
[08:31] <user__> https://solarianprogrammer.com/2016/10/07/building-gcc-ubuntu-linux/
[08:32] <hateball> ugh. manually replacing gcc...
[08:33] <user__> that's bad?
[08:33] <acheronuk> well, building software from source is very different to using a package manager to install/remove pre-compiled stuff
[08:34] <acheronuk> and if you don't understand from you are doing then it's not a great idea
[08:34] <user__> can it erase my data on reboot?
[08:34] <user__> because right now there are available
[08:34] <user__> should I take backup before proceeding?
[08:36] <acheronuk> a new compiler should not cause that issue in theory, but in practice who knows what following some fairly untrusted website instructions did
[08:37] <acheronuk> best practice would be to back up if you are concerned
[08:38] <acheronuk> I'm not going to test those instructions, but it maybe that going into the folder you compiled stuff in and running "sudo make uninstall" may remove what you installed, if there is an uninstall make target there
[08:38] <user__> thx, I didn't know that there are better way to install packages, I will use them
[08:38] <user__> uninstall will erase only this gcc software and not my data?
[08:39] <acheronuk> in theory, yes
[08:40] <user__> OK I will better backup data
[08:41] <acheronuk> but when you install/unistall software from source which involves 'sudo', you are giving it permission to alter anything on your system. so you have to trust what you are installing/uninstalling not to break your system
[08:42] <acheronuk> this is the reason ubuntu and other distributions provide must things in precompiled packages you can install/uninstall relatively safely via a package manager program
[08:43] <acheronuk> *most things
[08:44] <Elysion> user_  do you specifically require gcc6.2 for some reason?
[08:45] <Elysion> i think that gcc6 is in an official repo anyway, so you wouldnt need to do this manually
[08:47] <jjeronimo> hi doees anyone have any experiance with recovering a backup with dd?
[08:49] <alterjsive> sorry changed my nickname
[08:55] <alterjsive> my raid 0 cluster failed and I want to recover it
[08:57] <alterjsive> my new hard disk is a 5gb smaller, does this mean it won't work? it seems not
[08:57] <alterjsive> no valid partition table
[08:58] <alterjsive> out of space
[09:00] <chr1s> alterjsive: if you used raid 0 then the data was striped across all of the disks in the set which means they all need to be at least as big as the smallest in the set
[09:01] <chr1s> i don't see how you're going to recover the data if the disk you try to copy to is smaller than the one you were using
[09:01] <alterjsive> thx chr1s, i'll try to rebuild the raid disk
[09:01] <alterjsive> rebuild the raid cluster
[09:01] <chr1s> there's no parity, you can't rebuild it
[09:01] <alterjsive> no I mean make a new one
[09:02] <chr1s> ah ok, yeah make a new one and recover from backups
[09:02] <alterjsive> then recover using dd
[09:02] <chr1s> sorry for the bad news
[09:02] <alterjsive> chr1s: yeah those ssd's are really sensitive
[09:02] <alterjsive> thx
[09:02] <chr1s> i wouldn't try using dd personally, i'd recover from a backup onto a new clean raid array
[09:04] <chr1s> ouch, i'd assume an ssd is even less likely to recover with dd since the layout it exposes is likely different than your new target
[09:05] <alterjsive> chr1s: I have 3 ssd's of 256gb and 1 was acting strange. I made a new raid 0 cluster with 2 of the ssd's and now I tried to replace the 3rd one which was acting up and then my raid cluster failed
[09:05] <alterjsive> before I changed the ssd's I had made a backup of the raid cluster with dd
[09:06] <alterjsive> so the raid cluster is made of 2 ssd's in raid 0
[09:06] <chr1s> ah i see, i'd have made a big tar ball, i'm not sure dd of a raid is the best way to recover since your new array will stripe the data differently (different number of disks)
[09:07] <alterjsive> I bought a new ssd with 500gb
[09:07] <alterjsive> but yeah it
[09:07] <alterjsive> s
[09:07] <alterjsive> smaller
[09:08] <chr1s> i'd try to find someone more expert in raid and linux who could suggest a way forward as i don't see one if you don't have a backup with tar, zip or something other than dd
[09:09] <chr1s> good luck
[09:09] <alterjsive> thx
[09:09] <alterjsive> yeah I made a tar.gz with dd
[09:10] <chr1s> you made a file called tar.gz using dd, not the same thing unfortunately
[09:10] <alterjsive> dd if=/dev/dm-1 conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c  > ./backup.img.gz
[09:10] <chr1s> if you find a way to use that i'd be interested to know how
[09:11] <alterjsive> right no tar
[09:11] <chr1s> dd only really works if you plan to restore to something with the same structure (it copies the blocks directly so it depends on the internals of the disk)
[09:12] <chr1s> tar -czf backup.tar.gz /* would have been a better way to backup
[09:13] <alterjsive> so if I rebuild the array it might not work?
[09:14] <chr1s> i'd say that it almost certainly won't work but you might as well give it a shot if you don't have any other usable recent backup
[09:14] <chr1s> :(
[09:14] <alterjsive> yes
[09:14] <alterjsive> omg :)
[09:15] <alterjsive> be right back
[09:16] <alterjsive> b
[11:20] <jjeronimo> chr1s: it worked, i have my data back!
[11:20] <jjeronimo> now I just need need to make it bootable again
[11:21] <jjeronimo> and fix grub
[11:22] <jjeronimo> chr1s: sorry old nickname again
[11:28] <alterjsive> I guess there is no easy way
[11:38] <hateball> no easy way to do what? fix grub?
[11:38] <hateball> !fixgrub
[11:39] <alterjsive> boot-repair saves the day
[11:39] <alterjsive> thx hateball
[11:41] <alterjsive> hateball: I guess that would have been more easy :)
[11:41] <alterjsive> anyways I recovered my full system now, it boots and everything :)
[11:41] <hateball> thats nice
[11:42] <alterjsive> yeah quite happy hehe
[11:43] <alterjsive> I guess next time I should wear protective gloves while handling ssd;s
[11:43] <alterjsive> or was it just bad luck?
[11:45] <alterjsive> I replaced one ssd which was misbehaving, but while I did that my other ssd's, who where a part of a raid array, where affected, it broke they array
[11:45] <alterjsive> and when I put it back, my misbehaving ssd worked again too
[11:46] <alterjsive> strange world
[11:46] <alterjsive> but the raid array was still broken
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[17:05] <Quetzalcoatl> how can i go back from eth0 naming network interface to the new naming network interface?
[17:06] <Quetzalcoatl> now: eth0. new:enp0xxx
[17:06] <Quetzalcoatl> hanks
[17:06] <Quetzalcoatl> thanks
[17:08] <rattking> Quetzalcoatl: I did that by adding "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" to the end of the 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT' line in /etc/default/grub
[17:09] <rattking> I was not fast enough
[17:10] <rattking> oh and I didnt even read that correctly so NM :\
[17:10] <jubo2> Hey
[17:11] <jubo2> How do I rip a CD ?
[17:11] <jubo2> Finnish law says it is ok to make copies of CD's lent from the library
[17:12] <jubo2> Just some simple program that will take the audio-CD tracks and put them into some format that computer can play without the disk
[17:19] <BluesKaj-pi>  I used to just copy the cd tracks to a folder in my music folder
[17:21] <BluesKaj-pi> now i just download the music that i own from a torrent site
[17:21] <genii> Just dd it to a file like sometunes.iso
[17:23] <BluesKaj-pi> jubo2:  you see, there several wayss to rip/copy tunes
[17:27] <Dragnslcr> jubo2- Dolphin might be able to do it for you. If not, I've usually used k3b
[18:27] <genii> Oh right, CDDA, not DVD
[18:27] <genii> Damn, he left already.
[18:30] <genii> For future reference: cdrdao read-cd --source-device /dev/sr0 --read-raw --datafile 1.bin 1.toc&&toc2cue 1.toc 1.cue&& bchunk -v -s -w 1.bin 1.cue SONG    ...and then move SONG* to either a directory of the album's name, or rename each to what the name of that song actually is and put it wherever all your other ones are.
[18:31] <genii> This will make all the songs on the CD into SONG01.wav SONG02.wav  and so on
[21:01] <xylit> where can i buy things in darknet?
[21:01] <xylit> how do i get on silkroad?
[21:02] <xylit> where do YOU buy things in darknet?
[21:03] <dax> xylit: #kubuntu is for Kubuntu technical support, it's not for hacker crap or illegal crap
[21:03] <xylit> i dont need guns or moroccan child slaves or shit like that
[21:03] <xylit> i just want some dope because my brother wont sell me his
[21:04] <dax> then you're going to have to go find a lead on it elsewhere, not here
[21:04] <xylit> do you know channels in irc for that?
[21:04] <xylit> in tv those people always use irc
[21:05] <xylit> so i thought you could help me get high
[21:05] <dax> no.
[21:05] <xylit> im 19 yo
[21:06] <valorie> xylit: stop, this is entirely off-topic
[21:08] <xylit> fine, then im just gonna visit dream market lchudifyeqm4ldjj.onion, only to check the prices of course
[21:15] <valorie> thanks dax
[21:15] <valorie> got distracted