[00:01] <EightBit> They skinned it all like it was theirs, and the only two mentions to Lubuntu are incidentally with a screenshot of the ToS and an email address you write to if you wan he source code.
[00:03] <LuMint> EightBit: is it lubuntu or just ubuntu with lxde installed?
[00:04] <EightBit> It's straight up Lubuntu
[00:04] <LuMint> how can you tell that?
[00:04] <EightBit> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56306979e4b052b6d2eea4c0/t/56db0001f699bb4be0ff9681/1457192963259/xtrapcquickstart-after03032016-edition1.pdf
[00:04] <EightBit> Sorry for the link
[00:05] <LuMint> well, I guess it's nice that someone acknowledges it has market potential
[00:05] <EightBit> One of the screenshots is the window asking if you wan access to lubuntu restricted distro
[00:07] <LuMint> someone from #lubuntu-devel could probably sue them :)
[00:08] <wxl> it's ultimately a question for canonical
[00:08] <wxl> it's their copyright
[00:09] <EightBit> that's true
[00:09] <wxl> s/copyright/trademark/
[00:11] <EightBit> From their youtube channel they
[00:11] <EightBit> 're really pushing it for churches, schools, and homeschoolers.
[00:28] <Kamilion> EightBit: http://files.sllabs.com/files/long-term/downloads/isos/Xtra-PC-1.0-i386.iso
[00:28] <Kamilion> have a copy to mess with
[00:28] <Kamilion> i 'bought' it when it came out to study it.
[00:29] <Kamilion> since it's all GPL; I feel no stress redistributing it when they will not.
[00:30] <Kamilion> not only is it 'straight up lubuntu', it's also 32bit-only.
[00:31] <Kamilion> includes a bunch of non-foss but still 'free' packages/package installers bundled with it (including a license-patched minecraft launcher, Mojang/Microsoft probably would be less happy with them than y'all)
[00:31] <Kamilion> no idea if it's even been updated since it's 1.0 release in march 2015.
[00:37] <EightBit> Whuf
[00:37] <EightBit> Thanks for that
[00:38] <wxl> anyone have any idea on libkgeomap?
[00:38] <wxl> oops wrong channel :/
[00:38] <EightBit> It'd be fun to see Microsoft go after them for that
[00:39] <EightBit> But I don't get the whole legal chasing vibe from Microsoft. Much less than Hollywood.
[00:40] <Kamilion> well, canonical and microsoft worked together to get the ubuntu userspace working on their linux kernel subsystem; so I wouldn't be suprised if microsoft wanted to be a 'friend' of linux
[00:40] <EightBit> Don't trust the moves of the microsoft
[00:41] <EightBit> They intend to embrace, extend, then extinguish
[00:41] <Kamilion> and big companies love their legal department; whereas I subscribe to the foss view of many hands make light work, or the chinese view of gongkai IP sharing
[00:42] <EightBit> Oh sure, but I don't think that microsoft wields their legal hammer as much as they could.
[00:42] <Kamilion> https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?tag=gongkai  /  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY
[00:44] <Kamilion> the video really drives the point home on how much they rely on their acquaintances; watching them repair Bunnie's phone was magic.
[00:45] <EightBit> I only wish their datasheets were a little more open...
[00:45] <Kamilion> one dude has a hotwire workstation to remove the cracked glass from the LCD; another had a vacuum chamber to drive the bubbles out... changed hands like five times as favors were asked
[00:45] <Kamilion> well, that's the thing, they tend to work face to face and when they run into an issue, they'll just grab the guy who last hacked on it
[00:46] <Kamilion> so the datasheets are more like marketing propaganda than actual specs sometimes
[00:46] <Kamilion> *chuckles*
[00:46] <EightBit> True.
[00:46] <Kamilion> but there's currently a cultural issue in china where nobody wants to make shared improvements
[00:47] <Kamilion> which explains their 'trouble' with open source
[00:48] <Kamilion> ADVChina had a nice little story about an apartment building with an elevator. The bulb in the elevator had burnt out, so the residents squabbled for six years on who changes the light bulb. Nobody has so far. (so his story went)
[00:48]  * lynorian_ wonders how long ago this went off topic of lubuntu support
[00:49] <Kamilion> 16 minutes and about 25 lines.
[00:49] <EightBit>  'bout 18 minutes ago
[00:49] <krytarik> !ot
[00:50]  * Kamilion shrugs. Traffic tends to attract other support questions when people are 'around', but I'll shut my yap again.
[00:51] <krytarik> And well, I'm just pointing out the other venue.
[01:59] <Afdal> Real curious what the influence DEFT Linux was on Lubuntu
[02:00] <Afdal> or the other way around
[02:00] <Afdal> "Rebasing, substantial code flow, project overtaking"
[02:00] <Afdal> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/UbuntuFamilyTree1210.svg
[03:31]  * tsimonq2 throws https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2345779 at anybody around that's looking to help with support
[16:54] <thatOtherGuy_> Hi all. Is it possible to remove the English locales other than en_US.utf8 and prevent them from being regenerated? I don't need en_AG, en_AU, en_BW, etc. etc. on my machine.
[20:40] <guigui> hi
[20:41] <Guest49058> Hello guys
[20:41] <Guest49058> is there anyone here ?
[23:33] <tsimonq2> .or
[23:33] <tsimonq2> Whoops
[23:39] <Anxhelo> hello
[23:40] <wxl> hey
[23:40] <Anxhelo> how is it going everything ok?
[23:40] <wxl> yep
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Yep, you? :)
[23:40] <Anxhelo> fine
[23:40] <Anxhelo> just strugling with something
[23:40] <Anxhelo> :P
[23:41] <Anxhelo> kinda hard when you switch from windows
[23:41] <tsimonq2> Anxhelo: Sure what's up?
[23:41] <tsimonq2> Yeah there's a learning curve... :P
[23:41] <Anxhelo> just having some problems ,
[23:41] <Anxhelo> the first one it is with the  os
[23:41] <Anxhelo> 64 or 32
[23:42] <tsimonq2> Anxhelo: How old is your computer?
[23:42] <Anxhelo> hmm it supports 64 bit
[23:42] <Anxhelo> 4 gb ram intel gma 4500 and intel processor 2.2 ghz single core
[23:43] <Anxhelo> Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 925 @ 2.30GHz
[23:43] <tsimonq2> Ok, so if you weren't aware, amd64 = 64 bit and i386 = 32 bit
[23:43] <wxl> if your computer supports it, go 64
[23:43] <Anxhelo> but isnt there any problem with 64 bit applications,?
[23:43] <wxl> heck no
[23:44] <wxl> at this point you're more likely to run into issues because of things beingf 64 bit only
[23:44] <Anxhelo> on different forums i have heard that you need to install some extra files in order to open 32 bit app on 64 bit os
[23:44] <wxl> haven't really had that problem
[23:44] <tsimonq2> Anxhelo: Well that's a thing, yes, but it's really rare that you would need to do that.
[23:44] <tsimonq2> I think WINE is an example?
[23:44] <wxl> oh wine
[23:44] <wxl> yeah
[23:44] <wxl> but you ALWAYS have to install extra stuff with wine
[23:45] <wxl> win'e no fun
[23:45] <Anxhelo> well yeap , since old graphics cant open new games so
[23:45] <Anxhelo> :P
[23:45] <Anxhelo> well just gonna download 64 bit and install it
[23:46] <Anxhelo> and 1 last question , dont want to take a lot of your time
[23:46] <wxl> take as much time as you like
[23:46] <wxl> we'll just go away if it gets to be too much XD
[23:46] <Anxhelo> it is about the boot up time of the system , it takes something like 50-1 min
[23:46]  * wxl is just kidding
[23:46] <Anxhelo> :P
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Well I literally have all night XD
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Anxhelo: Oh? Under Windows or Lubuntu?
[23:47] <Anxhelo> on lubuntu 32 bit takes something like 50sec to 1 min
[23:47] <Anxhelo> to boot up into screen , after that it is everything ok
[23:47] <Anxhelo> smoth
[23:57] <genii> Used to be you could add a one-time boot option of: profile     and it would parallelize all the stuff it could, but not sure if that works anymore. It will be even longer for that one time while it works on doing that, but subsequent boots might be marginally faster
[23:57] <genii> ...and then I noticed he left while I was typing....
[23:58] <wxl> fwiw it DOES seem that since systemd things have been a bit slower at boot
[23:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah, systemd messed up DNS for me this week!
[23:59]  * tsimonq2 piles everything onto systemd