[15:31] <elopio> kgunn: I will send you the link to join the hangout ~10 minutes before we start.
[15:31] <elopio> let me know if you need something else from our side.
[15:31] <kgunn> elopio: nope that will be great...i just need to setup a little with the camera
[15:44] <CoderEurope> Who is doing the Ubuntu On air today ?
[15:44] <CoderEurope> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGsA55RvqLI
[15:46] <elopio> CoderEurope: yes, we'll be there soon.
[15:46] <elopio> kgunn will show Unity8.
[16:00] <CoderEurope> kgunn, Is that kevin gunn ?
[16:00] <kgunn> it is
[16:04] <CoderEurope> kgunn , I put you on the subreddit :) https://redd.it/44c5z0
[16:24] <kgunn_> elopio, so i'm here actually
[16:24] <elopio> kgunn_: I've just sent you the lnk
[16:26] <CoderEurope> 3 minutes to go ..
[16:29] <CoderEurope> elopio: ?
[16:30] <la_juyis> CoderEurope: hello!
[16:30] <la_juyis> we're starting :D
[16:30] <CoderEurope> hiya
[16:31] <CoderEurope> I see the stream !
[16:31] <eyescream_> QUESTION: what is classic?
[16:32] <kyrofa> eyescream_, just desktop ubuntu
[16:32] <kyrofa> eyescream_, as opposed to one based on snaps
[16:33] <eyescream_> thanks
[16:33] <kyrofa> (e.g. ubuntu core or ubuntu personal)
[16:33] <kgunn_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o-jKITqUxRsujmN3OwRj3wRnn6dgblKuvrhKjeN8-Wc
[16:33] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: kgunn, When realistically do you think we shall see Unity 8 in a Long Term Release ?
[16:34] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, i.e. as the default?
[16:34] <CoderEurope> right.
[16:34] <eyescream_> kgunn_: You need permission to view the doc
[16:34] <CoderEurope> I cannot open that document ...
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[16:35] <DaveGinBoav> QUESTION for snap - read sand-box, right?
[16:36] <CoderEurope> I see the doc.
[16:36] <kyrofa> DaveGinBoav, I'm not sure I understand the question
[16:37] <WLBI> I really like that Unity8 especually on my Phoen and tablet, but I can't use it on the desktop with Ubuntu 16.04. WHen I choose Unity 8 to login, the desktop freeze at login, I just can reboot
[16:38] <eyescream_> QUESTION: is it safe to install unity8 snap? will it mess with my os?
[16:38] <CoderEurope> CoderEurope: kgunn, Give me an example (in IRC) of that 'bitch of a bug' for Unity 8 that is bottle-necking development ?
[16:40] <CoderEurope> guess I am asking - what is the worst Unity 8 bug ?
[16:43] <Blue2> Will you be able to force server side decorations on client side decoration on apps?
[16:44] <eyescream_> QUESTION:what laptop is it?
[16:44] <Blue2> QUESTION: Will you be able to force server side decorations on client side decoration on apps?
[16:48] <Blue2> QUESTION: Is a juju-like graphical interface (or something else) planned to see and manage dependencies and interfaces on snappy?
[16:48] <WLBI> QUESTION: Is it possible to run a server with snaps. Apache, FTP, E-Mailserver..
[16:48] <kyrofa> WLBI, definitely!
[16:48] <kyrofa> WLBI, check out the nextcloud snap for an example
[16:49] <la_juyis> WLBI: you mean if all those snaps exist?
[16:49] <la_juyis> Blue2: with snaps you shouldn't have dependency problems :)
[16:50] <kyrofa> Blue2, snaps include their dependencies, so such an interface probably isn't realistic
[16:50] <la_juyis> Blue2: and there is the software center that should allow you to install snaps as well (at least in classic)
[16:50] <CoderEurope> I was looking for a bug to fund - no one mentioned one.
[16:50] <Blue2> I know, but it has interfaces and will have some dependencies in UI Toolkits
[16:51] <la_juyis> Blue2: ubuntu-core images should instead have a web interface - snapweb, from where you can install new snaps
[16:51] <WLBI> la_juyis: yes, snaps for apache2 and FTP
[16:51] <kyrofa> Blue2, ah, then really for interfaces then (including the content interface which is how snaps can sort of depend on each other)
[16:52] <WLBI> I don't know how to list all snaps. I foudn out: sudo snapfind $
[16:52] <eyescream_> QUESTION: can we install install unity8 snap session on M10 tablet?
[16:52] <eyescream_> bq
[16:52] <WLBI> It shows a big list, but no apache
[16:52] <DaveGinBoav_> #QUESTION if in 18.10 LTS UNITY 8 Iis working in snap along with other snaps how do you deal with matters that need to communicate between each distint snap environment?
[16:52] <la_juyis> WLBI: not in stable, at the moment (have tried snap find apache, for example :))
[16:52] <kyrofa> WLBI, there's no standalone apache snap right now. There are various web applications that are snapped though (like nextcloud) which bundle apache
[16:53] <WLBI> snap find apache shows no apache snap
[16:53] <Blue2> Those are big glasses! kinda cute
[16:54] <kyrofa> Blue2, mine? Thanks!
[16:54] <la_juyis> WLBI: right - you can also use the unofficial site: https://uappexplorer.com/
[16:54] <cyn> I have a question: Will this talk include information about how unity8 is tested? e.g. user testing, GUI testing, or whether there unit tests are also used for the back-end? Thanks
[16:54] <la_juyis> Blue2: kyrofa: we can do a session on those, too :P today elopio is without, that's a pity!
[16:55] <kyrofa> DaveGinBoav_, snapd has a concept of "interfaces," which is a way for snaps to communicate
[16:55] <kyrofa> DaveGinBoav_, but in a confined manner
[16:55] <la_juyis> cyn: we're covering that :)
[16:56] <Blue2> kyrofa: 8) :P
[16:56] <WLBI> sudo snap install apache2
[16:56] <WLBI> error: cannot install "apache2": snap not found
[16:56] <la_juyis> DaveGinBoav_: interfaces would be like plugs to have two different snaps talk to each other
[16:56] <eyescream_> QUESTION: is it possible to install unity8 on other distro that support snaps? like maybe arch
[16:56] <DaveGinBoav_> thanks
[16:57] <Blue2> QUESTION: Will a snap based ubuntu make distribution-upgrades easier and safer than now? (My dad got the frustrating login loop after upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04)
[16:57] <la_juyis> WLBI: right, it doesn't exist yet as a snap standalone - it's currently being delivered along with other software (as part of the snap) such as nextcloud, like kyrofawas saying
[16:58] <la_juyis> Blue2: it's the idea, yes :) upgrades are transparent to the user
[16:58] <WLBI> la_juyis: oh I see, now I got it... :-) Thanx
[16:58] <la_juyis> WLBI: np :)
[16:59] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: The wiki page of 'known bugs' [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop ] just goes to the Unity8 bug list - is this correct for the 'known problems list' or is there another page that needs linking to the one a gave ?
[16:59] <la_juyis> cyn: if you have any specific questions, do raise your arm!
[16:59] <scopes> These videos are awsome! We need on for Scopes as well
[16:59] <davmor2> elopio: move the mouse to the bottom right hand corner then top right bottom left top left, that should then calibrate the mouse so you can hit the whole area of the screen
[17:00] <elopio> davmor2: nice, thankyou.
[17:00] <kyrofa> davmor2, hahaha, only you would know that
[17:00] <andy-k> QUESTION sorry, quite late to the stream. Will the default unity8 session eventually be deployed via snap package on all platforms?
[17:00] <kyrofa> andy-k, indeed!
[17:01] <DaveGinBoav_> pardon my cynicsm. i am old school, but all this sounds like re-inventing the wheel and when finished it will go round like the old wheel :)
[17:01] <cyn> thanks @la_juyis, I haven't experience in the ubuntu development process (although I have been using it for years) and I'm in general interested in the QA processes used
[17:01] <WLBI> QUESTION: Is teher any buglist for Ubuntu Touch OTA 15? The one for OTA14 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/14 - But 15 doesn't exist.
[17:01] <scopes> QUESTION: Laptops with unity8  will have gestures capabilites? Like macOS has with macbooks (Swipes, multi touch...)
[17:01] <WLBI> I mean milestones, not buglist ;-)
[17:01] <kyrofa> DaveGinBoav_, heh, which part? unity8? snaps?
[17:01] <DaveGinBoav_> both
[17:02] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: So do we need a separate wiki page for Known Unity 8 'highlighted bugs' doing for 'testing' and guidance ?
[17:02] <la_juyis> cyn: yes!! we want you!
[17:02] <la_juyis> :D
[17:04] <Blue2> ok :D
[17:04] <Blue2> Dirty cow? :P
[17:05] <kgunn_> CoderEurope, we try to stick to launchpad bugs in order to not create a wiki...and then have to keep that updated
[17:05] <DaveGinBoav_> exit
[17:05] <DaveGinBoav_> quit
[17:05] <kgunn_> i will say that we do use another meta project to kinda collect things we "care about"
[17:05] <kgunn_> one sec lemme grab a link
[17:06] <kgunn_> if you follow this meta project
[17:06] <kgunn_> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[17:06] <kgunn_> the milestones have the top bugs we're targeting for the next milestone
[17:06] <kgunn_> in this case...next milestone is p2
[17:07] <eyescream_> QUESTION: what is a good laptop or a good video card to run unity8 on?
[17:08] <kgunn_> eyescream_, mainly make sure you are running freedrivers
[17:08] <kgunn_> mir relies on kms/drm gfx stack (think freedesktop.org)
[17:08] <kgunn_> ...mir also runs on android drivers..but i digress
[17:09] <kgunn_> so for sure intel gpu gfx stacks are solid for u8/mir
[17:09] <andy-k> QUESTION kgunn, can you make any comment on progress with nvidia and the esgl support?
[17:09] <eyescream_> thanks kgunn_
[17:09] <kgunn_> the free drivers for nv and amd have had issues in the past...as they're not well maintained
[17:10] <kgunn_> andy-k, i can say that we've been working with them very close with them, we have a mir functioning on some early version drivers
[17:11] <andy-k> kgunn_ you guys are super amazing, thanks
[17:11] <kgunn_> modulo  some issues we've reported back to them
[17:11] <andy-k> ... i have maxwell hardware, and unity8 blows up pretty easily, but unity7 won't run on nouveau
[17:17] <andy-k> thanks everyone for starting this testing day a little earlier! it was great to finally ask a question in IRC
[17:18] <thibran> QUESTION: Right now starting a application on unity8 is quite slow (as on Ubuntu Touch), any improvements on that front for the next months?
[17:21] <kyrofa> thibran, to be clear, are you asking about starting apps in unity8 on a desktop, or phone?
[17:22] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: General Question: Has 'Desktop Development' for Unity and Ubuntu in general slowed down this year (?) - Give us a picture of how things are looking ?
[17:22] <thibran> I would like to know if the start-up time will be reduced on the desktop (but I'm interested in the phone too)
[17:23] <kgunn_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/
[17:27] <CoderEurope> kyrofa: See you soon - I shall miss those glasses :)
[17:27] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, you know it
[17:30] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: (funnies) What happened to kgunn's beard - did it go for Movember ?
[17:31] <Blue2> CoderEurope: Kyrofa took it
[17:31] <WLBI> Well done! :-)
[17:31] <CoderEurope> haha !
[17:31] <la_juyis> I was late :(
[17:31] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, his wife told him no
[17:31] <la_juyis> next year it shall be mine!
[17:31] <kgunn_> CoderEurope,  spousal approval rating was very low
[17:31] <la_juyis> OH NO! how do they date!
[17:31]  * la_juyis is a moutache lover
[17:31] <CoderEurope> fair enough kgunn, good presentation BTWay.
[17:32] <la_juyis> *moustache
[17:32] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, kgunn_ I'll admit I miss it, too
[17:32] <CoderEurope> kgunn loses his beard in Ubuntu - if it affects one - it affects us all :)
[17:33] <kgunn_> lol
[17:33] <la_juyis> I'll raise a bug, you put "it affects me too"
[17:33] <la_juyis> :P
[17:33] <la_juyis> j/k, j/k
[17:33] <kgunn_> ok...disappearing...will reappear in moment
[17:34] <CoderEurope> Hey in other news - I hear Trisquel has gone with Mate as a D.Environment. +1
[17:35] <CoderEurope> anyway - good show guys :)
[17:35] <kyrofa> Thanks CoderEurope!
[17:35] <CoderEurope> kyrofa: I dont want to pry but are you Spanish or Portugese ?
[17:35] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, italian
[17:36] <CoderEurope> oh ok thats good !
[17:36] <CoderEurope> I had a friend in 2014 from southern Italy (he was on the bottom of the foot near the sea).
[17:37] <CoderEurope> kyrofa: Did you ever go to a Linux User Group in Italy, where you are ?
[17:37] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, haha, I'm afraid I misunderstood-- I live in the states
[17:38] <CoderEurope> oh ok. figures that you 'made it'.
[17:39] <CoderEurope> anyway kyrofa bye byes .. have a good day :)
[17:39] <CoderEurope> o/