[00:11] <puffinz> Thanks.
[00:11] <puffinz> :D This works way better.
[00:20] <puffinz> I wish JeOS was still in dev or packaged.
[01:23] <BeeBuu> /join 是用来加入一个新的聊天室
[01:26] <zignd> ls
[01:32] <puffinz> I appear to have found a rootkit on my ubuntu computer. tcpd. How can i remove it?
[01:37] <pavlos> puffinz, I would disconnect from the Internet, back up my important data files and re-install a clean ubuntu, then restore.
[01:39] <puffinz> Could be a false positive
[01:40] <puffinz> Run chkrootkit on 16.10?
[01:41] <pavlos> puffinz, see http://www.chkrootkit.org/
[01:42] <puffinz> sigh
[01:42] <puffinz> bros in black helicopters mang
[01:53] <cfhowlett> !ping
[02:03] <PickledEggs> Can I add the root partition that I have ubuntu installed on to a volume group and then logical volume?
[02:04] <ikonia> PickledEggs: ?
[02:04] <ikonia> not sure what you're' asking
[02:04] <cfhowlett> cloning?
[02:05] <PickledEggs> just adding the current partition that unbuntu is running from to a volume group with another partition to create an LVM with a total size of both partitions
[02:05] <ikonia> PickledEggs: NO
[02:05] <PickledEggs> I could live boot and just extend the size of the root partition, but I was considering playing with setting up volume groups and LVMS
[02:06] <ikonia> the answer is "no"
[02:06] <PickledEggs> yeah, I suspected that would be the case
[02:06] <PickledEggs> so now I have to stand up and go find a usb drive to boot from, oh well :) thanks.
[02:17] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[02:17] <easyOnMe> just need some help
[02:17] <easyOnMe> I am using Filezilla and to make filetype associations
[02:18] <easyOnMe> i am using this "Home/Documents/PhpStorm/bin/./phpstorm.sh" as the path but filezilla keeps on saying associated program not found which is impossible as I am usign PhpStorm right now
[02:18] <easyOnMe> please help as why filezilla cannot find the path when I activate that same path I was able to run PhpStorm
[02:18] <easyOnMe> thanks
[02:19] <wedgie> tried using the full path?
[02:21] <easyOnMe> wedgie: yup
[02:22] <wedgie> what's the full path?
[02:22] <wedgie> as entered in your configuration
[02:22] <easyOnMe> same as the one I pasted above
[02:22] <wedgie> then you didn't use a full path
[02:22] <Jordan_U> easyOnMe: Why do you have bin/./phpstorm.sh rather than just bin/phpstorm.sh? (They should be equivalent, but the first is rather odd).
[02:22] <wedgie> absolute paths start with a /
[02:23] <easyOnMe> Jordan_U: that is how I did it with the previous time I did it
[02:23] <easyOnMe> wedgie: you mean like this ~/Documents/PhpStorm/bin/./phpstorm.sh
[02:23]  * wedgie is also suspicious of the capital H in Home... but that's a weird place for a directory called Home anyhow...
[02:24] <wedgie> easyOnMe: more like /home/<username>/Documents....
[02:24] <easyOnMe> wedgie: let me try that now
[02:24] <wedgie> not sure if filezilla does tilda expansion. Quite likely it does but i don't want to make any assumptions
[02:25] <easyOnMe> wedgie: still the same
[02:26] <easyOnMe> it says Associated program not found
[02:26] <easyOnMe> which is really crazy
[02:26] <easyOnMe> I am using ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[02:26] <Jordan_U> easyOnMe: "." as a filename is always the same directory you're already at in a path, so "/home/jordan/bin/phpsotrm.sh" is equivalent to "/home/jordan/./bin/phpstorm.sh" and also equivalent to "/././home/./././jordan/bin/./././././phpstorm.sh".
[02:26] <easyOnMe> filezilla is the latest version
[02:26] <easyOnMe> Jordan_U: ok let me try that out too
[02:27] <easyOnMe> Jordan_U: still the same message
[02:27] <easyOnMe> associated program not found
[02:28] <easyOnMe> Jordan_U: ok I got it
[02:28] <easyOnMe> thanks
[02:28] <easyOnMe> wedgie: thanks too man
[02:28] <Jordan_U> easyOnMe: You're welcome.
[02:29] <wedgie> easyOnMe: what was the final fix? Now i'm curious
[02:29] <easyOnMe> php "/home/username/Documents/PhpStorm/bin/phpstorm.sh" -open
[02:40] <siorai> Question - Anyone got any idea why my usb wifi dongle would just decide to stop working randomly under my linux partition while still working just fine under my windows partition?
[02:41] <Jordan_U> siorai: Unfortunately wifi drivers for USB dongles are often in poor shape. If you can, get an Atheros or Intel based internal wireless card.
[02:42] <siorai> Yeah, that'd be nice if that were an option, right now I'm tethering from my phone.
[02:42] <siorai> Just don't understand why it was working, then suddenly not work. lol
[02:43] <siorai> If I get any equipment, it'll be a pair of power over ethernet jacks. Used em before, they rock.
[02:46] <rcw2> can one maintain all symbolic links when transferring from one server to a new fresh one?
[02:50] <ophuk> Where can I find information about how Ubuntu tests the kernel?
[02:51] <cfhowlett> !kernel
[02:52] <ophuk> cfhowlett, none of that goes into how or what tests are run
[02:58] <Sliffy> hello
[03:16] <ctjctj> So after upgrading to 16.10 from 16.04lts my sound system has become unstable.  I use a pair of Plantronic USB head set.  When I boot they are in the sound settings.  When I can then choose either S/PDIF digital out or speakers digital out to select them.  When I choose test sound they seem to work.  A few seconds later, listening to a youtube video I get:snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D0: HDMI: invalid ELD data byte 11 and shortly
[03:16] <ctjctj> thereafter USB disconnect, device number X.  Unplugging and replugging does not bring the device back to life.
[03:18] <ctjctj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23601585/ holds the tail of dmesg
[03:22] <devslash> i installed an update and now my resolution is low and when i try to login it starts to login then crashes back to the login screne
[03:22] <devslash> 4screen
[03:22] <devslash> screen
[03:22] <devslash> i remove nvidia dsrivers and reinstalled nvidia-current
[03:22] <devslash> and i had to reinstall gdm and do dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:22] <ctjctj> devslash, nvidia-current isn't current.
[03:23] <devslash> then what is
[03:23] <ctjctj> Having just spent my day "fixing this" try: apt-get purge nvidia-* then apt-get install nvidia-367
[03:23] <ctjctj> nvidia-current comes from nvidia-304
[03:24] <devslash> 4i just did this after upgrading to 16.10
[03:24] <ctjctj> You don't even need to do that.  It seems that a recent kernel upgrade, last 2 weeks, breaks mttr_add, mttr_del symbols.
[03:24] <ctjctj> Which nvidia-304 depends on.
[03:25] <devslash> oh
[03:25] <devslash> also dkms wasnt installed
[03:25] <ctjctj> This is a "known problem" with using a closed source driver which nvidia is.
[03:25] <devslash> yes but its only started recebtly
[03:25] <ctjctj> It has happened in the past.
[03:25] <devslash> after installing nvidia can i kill xorg or do i need to reboot
[03:25] <Bashing-om> devslash: Might be better to let the system choose what to install for a driver - after the pruge ' sudo apt update ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[03:26] <ctjctj> Proprietary drivers don't sync directly to the kernel so they are often out of date.
[03:26] <devslash> still doesnt work
[03:26] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, I sure wish I had a working IRC to ask.  I like that better than my method which was install and try again.
[03:27] <devslash> still crashes back to login
[03:27] <ctjctj> devslash, notice Bashing-om answer.  It is better than mine.
[03:27] <ctjctj> devslash, check the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and then look for "nvidia" in your syslog.
[03:28] <devslash> the resolution is low so its obviously not using the right drivers
[03:28] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, any ideas on why my sound is dieing?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: Naw, not better ., just more up2date :)
[03:29] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: Of the 2 things put of my experience range sound is one of them . Have you seen:
[03:29] <Bashing-om> !sound | ctjctj
[03:30] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, way past that point.  USB device is crashing and then the bus doesn't see the device when I plug it back in again.  If I plug it into a different bus it shows up until about 30-60 seconds of sound is sent.
[03:30] <devslash> still crashing
[03:30] <ctjctj> devslash, what are those logs telling you.
[03:30] <Bashing-om> devslash: What shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[03:30] <devslash> no input driver
[03:31] <devslash> display unclaimed
[03:31] <devslash> Bashing-om,
[03:31] <Ryuken> Fuck whoever coded the new Gnome/Ubuntu software application
[03:32] <Ryuken> Bricked my install twice
[03:32] <devslash> any idea ?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> fevK; then back to square one and see what the hardware is . Pastebin - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - . We then see what driver(s) is recommended .
[03:33] <Bashing-om> devslash: ^^
[03:34] <devslash> its a GTX 750 TI
[03:35] <Bashing-om> devslash: Hybrid grahics ? or only the Nvidia card ?
[03:35] <devslash> no
[03:35] <devslash> its a dedicated card
[03:37] <Bashing-om> devslash: Does this file exist ' l -al /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ' . ?
[03:37] <devslash> noi
[03:37] <devslash> no
[03:39] <tsimonq2> Hey guys, having a bit of a peculiar problem, which is why I'm coming here. :)
[03:39] <tsimonq2> I've been having MAJOR DNS problems lately...
[03:39] <tsimonq2> Oh this should probably go in #ubuntu+1
[03:39]  * tsimonq2 runs over there
[03:40] <Bashing-om> devslash: K; let see what the options are for a driver . maybe we want to install a PPA to get the later driver ? . show ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[03:41] <devslash> i did that and it shows a bunch of nvidia drivcers
[03:42] <devslash> 6 different nvidia drivers nvidia 358,375,340,367,364,370
[03:43] <Bashing-om> devslash: Can not help if do not help me . show as in a pastebin . If ya need help using a pastebin we can do that too . For now we need to know what drivers are available for that card - as we also do not know what release you are on . I am trying to make this as easy as possible .
[03:43] <devslash> i cant pzstebin
[03:43] <devslash> i cannot pastebin anything but i told you you what it said
[03:44] <devslash> ubuntu-drivers list showed those nvidia drivers
[03:46] <Bashing-om> devslash: That 750 TI takes a 367 or better version driver . Now I have no idea what the repo offers you for a driver .
[03:46] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375
[03:46] <devslash> ubuntu-drivers list showed those nvidia drivers /
[03:46] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-367
[03:46] <devslash> wghat do i do
[03:46] <devslash> i installed 375
[03:48] <devslash> i guess its time to reinstall ubuntu yet again
[03:48] <hfp> anyone running virt-builder on xenial? i have to run mine with sudo because it needs to read /boot/vmlinuz, and then it stays stuck for ever on the 'opening the new disk' step... iotop doesnt report much activity from virt-builder and idk if i'm using it wrong or what
[03:48] <Bashing-om> dev; what release is this .. as ya want a late X-server to run the 375 driver . And how did you install 375 as it is not in the repo ?
[03:48] <devslash> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[03:48] <devslash> 16.10
[03:50] <Bashing-om> devslash: Naw .. all we got to do is find out how you installed the 375 version driver . remove it .. and install the correct driver . Bear in mind that 375 os not in the software repo, so you did " something else" .
[03:50] <devslash> no
[03:50] <devslash> i previous purged al nvidia packages
[03:51] <devslash> apt-get purge nvidia*
[03:51] <Ryuken> Yeah don't update after you install nvidia 375
[03:51] <Ryuken> Upgrade your OS I mean
[03:52] <Ryuken> Bricked my install like 3 times yesterday
[03:52] <Ryuken> Haven't found a solution, even tried to purge in recovery mode
[03:52] <devslash> im seriously pissed now
[03:52] <Bashing-om> devslash: K, so far so good .. and "autoinstall " would be the 367 version driver .. should work just fine .. and next is to reboot the system .
[03:52] <devslash> whoa
[03:52] <morf> why don't you use "additional drivers" to install nvidia?
[03:53] <devslash> i purged all nvidia drivers and rebooted and its letting me log in now
[03:53] <devslash> how do i see which video driver its using
[03:54] <morf> there is version?!
[03:54] <Bashing-om> devslash: K; now I expect ' sudo lshw -C display ' to show the nouveau driver . // Workie great last long time ?
[03:55] <devslash> yup
[03:55] <devslash> nouveau driver
[03:55] <devslash> fcking nvidia..
[03:55] <Bashing-om> RyanKnack: Ya still with problems ? ( in recovery the file system is read-only, until you remount ) .
[03:56] <Bashing-om> !language | devslash
[03:56] <devslash> what about ******* nvidia
[03:57] <morf> devslash: any particular reason you don't want to use this: /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[03:58] <Bashing-om> devslash: If you want to see about the 367 version .. then ' sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' and reboot to see the effect .
[03:58] <glitchd> anyone have any idea why the  menu bar for chromium suddenly started showing in the indicator applet? http://www.imagebam.com/image/3a1783519316157
[04:00] <_UniFreak> I have a virtual ubuntu in virtuala box, and fort forwarded from host 8080 to guest 80
[04:01] <_UniFreak> but seems the port is disabled in my guest, so when I tried to access mysite.vbox:8080, it return a error_conenction_refuse
[04:01] <glitchd> what kind of connection are you using in virtualbox?
[04:02] <_UniFreak> I runned `ufw disable`, but seems has no effect
[04:02] <glitchd> i meant network
[04:02] <_UniFreak> glitchd: nat and host-only
[04:02] <_UniFreak> it's a scotch box
[04:03] <glitchd> sounds like your not using the right ip
[04:04] <avoider> Hi  i need some quick help please.
[04:04] <_UniFreak> glitched: what do you mean
[04:04] <avoider> I'm trying to reinstall windows on my work laptop, and its telling me boot device failed when trying to boot from usb.
[04:04] <avoider> Any ideas please?
[04:05] <_UniFreak> the guest is using 192.168.33.10, and I have configured my hosts in host machine as `192.168.33.10 mysite.vbox`
[04:05] <xangua> avoider: this is Ubuntu, not ##windows
[04:05] <_UniFreak> also, in guest machine I have `127.0.0.1 mysite.vbox`
[04:05] <avoider> xangua,
[04:05] <avoider> This happened after installing ubuntu.
[04:05] <avoider> They told me to come here.
[04:05] <glitchd> _UniFreak, either your not selecting the proper boot media or the usb was not created correctly
[04:06] <UniFreak> glitchd: you mentioned the wrong name
[04:06] <UniFreak> xangua: ^^
[04:07] <glitchd> whoopss..
[04:07] <avoider> They said ubuntu messed up the bios and to come here to see how to fix it.
[04:07] <glitchd> avoider, either your not selecting the proper boot media or the usb was not created correctly
[04:07] <glitchd> sry UniFreak
[04:07] <maddawg2> lol ubuntu messed up bios?  who said that?
[04:08] <maddawg2> that's crazy talk
[04:08] <avoider> i used multi creator
[04:08] <avoider> to write the iso
[04:08] <glitchd> someone that doesnt know what their talking about obviously
[04:08] <maddawg2> avoider what OS?
[04:08] <avoider> I tested several diffrent os's linuxs will boot fine via use but not windows.
[04:08] <maddawg2> Windows 10?  8.1?
[04:08] <avoider> 10
[04:08] <maddawg2> did you use the tool that microsoft tells you to use
[04:08] <glitchd> 10 doesnt like to be booted from usb..
[04:09] <avoider> I'm on ubuntu what microsoft tool works on linux?
[04:09] <maddawg2> you can boot from usb with windows 10
[04:09] <maddawg2> none avoider
[04:09] <maddawg2> you might want to try another windows machine to create it
[04:09] <avoider> lol?
[04:09] <maddawg2> ummm
[04:09] <avoider> Linux is not capable of creating a windows iso?
[04:09] <maddawg2> what is that an lol
[04:09] <maddawg2> not that i know of
[04:10] <maddawg2> microsoft requires special steps on the flash drive
[04:10] <glitchd> avoider, creating a windows 10 iso?
[04:10] <maddawg2> i dont know what thos steps are
[04:10] <maddawg2> and i dont know what tool does it on linux
[04:10] <glitchd> i think unetbootin can do it actually
[04:10] <maddawg2> but i do know the Windows 7 DVD/USB Creator does it on windows
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: please dont answer things if you dont know the solution
[04:10] <maddawg2> lotuspsychje, fuck you
[04:10] <glitchd> leave maddawg2
[04:11] <maddawg2> i just said i didnt know the answer
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> !language | maddawg2
[04:11] <maddawg2> i was suggesting he use a windows tool to do it
[04:11] <maddawg2> there are probablh many RIGHT answers
[04:11] <maddawg2> not just one
[04:11] <avoider> When i had a dvd drive i wrote several windows images on disk via linux
[04:11] <avoider> Im only having a issue using usb drive
[04:11] <avoider> maddawg2 that makes zero logic
[04:11] <maddawg2> i know how to make a windows iso with the tools MS has but i have not been able to do it with any of the tools in linux
[04:11] <maddawg2> avoider i dont write windows
[04:12] <avoider> So why are you even typing to me?
[04:12] <Biscuit-> Where do I start learning Lua from?
[04:12] <glitchd> because he thinks he knows things.
[04:12] <Biscuit-> Idk shit about Lua but I'd like to learn it
[04:12] <maddawg2> avoider i was providing you an option
[04:12] <avoider> Again.
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> !language | Biscuit-
[04:12] <avoider> That is not a option for me nor does it make any sense.
[04:13] <maddawg2> i never said it was the only way but i was explaining that in windows 8.1 and later they changed how the boot drives need to be created
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !ot | maddawg2
[04:13] <maddawg2> lotuspsychje, no it's not
[04:13] <maddawg2> lotuspsychje, he's asking ow to create a windows iso
[04:13] <maddawg2> that's on topic
[04:13] <maddawg2> since that's the question
[04:13] <xangua> maddawg2: xy problem, ask about x, not y
[04:13] <maddawg2> what?
[04:14] <avoider> He don't understand.
[04:14] <maddawg2> he asked how to get it to USB
[04:14] <avoider> Anyways can someone please help me?
[04:14] <avoider> I know how to make the usb.
[04:14] <avoider> That is not the issue.
[04:14] <avoider> Please read!
[04:14] <maddawg2> you cant get it to boot
[04:14] <maddawg2> i know that
[04:14] <Biscuit-> I'm sorry maddawg2
[04:14] <maddawg2> you cant because those tools dont work
[04:14] <avoider> ?
[04:14] <Biscuit-> I put it on the wrong channel
[04:14] <maddawg2> i just explained why
[04:14] <maddawg2> microsoft changed how the boot drives need to be made
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> avoider: best way to get your issue solved is to repeat your question with all details in channel
[04:14] <xangua> avoider: focus on the real problem instead of going in circles with this windows USB thing
[04:15] <maddawg2> this is why microsoft has a special procedure to do it
[04:15] <maddawg2> you can do it in command line too but i dont know how to translate that to linux
[04:15] <avoider> Okay, i need to get windows back on this laptop!  i wrote the image, when going to boot that image... tells me no boot device.
[04:15] <maddawg2> yes because again windows 8.1 and later most tools do not do anymore
[04:16] <maddawg2> i've done it half a dozen times
[04:16] <maddawg2> i have yet to find out how in linux to do it properly it always gives that error on anything windows 8.1or newer
[04:16] <maddawg2> the OTHER option is that your bios is not set to EFI
[04:16] <glitchd> i literally just reinstalled windows 10 from a usb 2 days ago.
[04:16] <maddawg2> but usually in that case the drive isnt bootable at all
[04:16] <avoider> Its only legancy and uefi
[04:16] <maddawg2> i never said you cant install from USB glitchd
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> avoider: to install windows on a device try ##windows
[04:17] <avoider> lotuspsychje, i did that.
[04:17] <maddawg2> lotuspsychje, his question is how to make a bootable usb of windows iso in linux
[04:17] <avoider> They directed me back here.
[04:17] <maddawg2> lol
[04:17] <maddawg2> duh
[04:17] <avoider> Told me limux screwed up my bios and bootmenu
[04:17] <glitchd> maddawg2, i never said you said anything.
[04:17] <avoider> Thats why im here.
[04:17] <glitchd> avoider, yea folks in the windows chat are not to smart..
[04:18] <maddawg2> all i'm saying is in windows 8.1 and Windows 10 i have never been able to get any of the linux tools to work properly
[04:18] <maddawg2> works fine with windows 7 and everything else i throw at it
[04:18] <avoider> Writing a image is writing a image. i dont understand what you mean?
[04:18] <maddawg2> no the drives have to be flagged a certain way
[04:18] <maddawg2> and partitioned in a particular way too
[04:18] <avoider> maddawg2: lol
[04:18] <glitchd> avoider, you need to install windows 10 from usb, right?
[04:19] <maddawg2> if u use microsofts tool it creates 3 different paritions
[04:19] <avoider> yes glitchd
[04:19] <glitchd> avoider, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivN0yLxir8
[04:19] <avoider> Thats because microsoft is crap
[04:19] <avoider> lol
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> no swearing here please
[04:20] <avoider> swearing?
[04:20] <avoider> omg
[04:20] <avoider> I can't tell if you guys are trolling or what.
[04:20] <xangua> avoider: stop that and focus on your real problem, you can't boot windows after installing Ubuntu, and no Ubuntu did nothing to your BIOS, stop going in circles
[04:20] <avoider> ?
[04:20] <avoider> I said that ten times?
[04:20] <avoider> Where have you been?
[04:20] <avoider> All you said is this was not windows.
[04:20] <avoider> Get to the point
[04:21] <avoider> Do you have a legit soultuion or you going to tell me how linux didn't screw up anytihng?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> avoider: you created a win iso with linux and trying to install windows, you need the ##windows channel
[04:21] <avoider> Again,
[04:22] <maddawg2> ubuntu didnt make the image correctly
[04:22] <avoider> lol
[04:22] <maddawg2> try glitchd steps
[04:22] <maddawg2> tho i dont see why the guy formated to FAT32 then back to NTFS
[04:22] <maddawg2> that's confusing
[04:22] <avoider> maddawg2, before i leave this channel i have a question
[04:22] <avoider> Windows 7 will work?
[04:22] <maddawg2> but that might work... i dont recall using unetboot tho
[04:22] <avoider> using the linux tools?
[04:22] <maddawg2> yea
[04:22] <maddawg2> that i knwo for sure
[04:22] <avoider> 100%?
[04:23] <maddawg2> but i had issues with win 8.1 and win 10
[04:23] <avoider> npnp
[04:23] <avoider> Thanks man!
[04:23] <avoider> You were much more help
[04:23] <avoider> lol
[04:23] <maddawg2> well i wont say 100% because i dont know how you'll do it
[04:23] <avoider> bbs
[04:23] <maddawg2> i know yet everyone was yelling at me
[04:23] <maddawg2> lol
[04:23] <avoider> :3
[04:23] <maddawg2> for answering a question
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: because your going way offtopic on answering things you dont know about
[04:24] <maddawg2> but try glitchd steps first
[04:24] <maddawg2> i've made many windows 10 iso lotuspsychje so i happen to know about it
[04:24] <maddawg2> and i've tried it with many ubuntu toools after 8.1 and 10 and they've never worked
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: you made statements linux cant write a win10 iso...
[04:24] <maddawg2> i didnt say that
[04:24] <maddawg2> i said i couldnt get linux to  write one
[04:25] <maddawg2> particuarly windows 10
[04:25] <maddawg2> i never said Linux cant write windows iso in fact i said I'm sure it can i just dont know how in linux but in windows MS made an official tool that works
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: dont answer personal opinions on failed steps to users like that
[04:26] <maddawg2> dont tell me what to do
[04:26] <maddawg2> this is a community support channel
[04:26] <maddawg2> and as you oticed i was the most helpful
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: then stick to support
[04:26] <maddawg2> and probably solved his issue
[04:26] <xangua> Lol
[04:27] <maddawg2> so clearly my support was helpful
[04:27] <maddawg2> yours on the other hand was not
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> it wasnt, you reverted him back to the old winusb tool
[04:27] <maddawg2> no i didnt
[04:27] <maddawg2> i said he could try win7 and then do it from that
[04:27] <maddawg2> using the linux tools
[04:27] <maddawg2> or the unet tool that glitched posted
[04:27] <maddawg2> do you not read
[04:28] <maddawg2> which was in ubuntu
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> maddawg2: lets discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[04:28] <glitchd> does it flippin matter anymore? the guy left anyways!
[04:28] <maddawg2> oh did he... he's still pming me
[04:28] <maddawg2> didnt notice
[04:28] <glitchd> lol
[04:30] <glitchd> how can i change where application menu bars show up?
[04:30] <xangua> glitchd: you mean unity global menu?
[04:31] <glitchd> xangua, im on xubuntu, but im not sure if its global menu or not. all of a sudden chromiums menu bar started showing in my indicator applet
[04:31] <glitchd> xangua, http://www.imagebam.com/image/3a1783519316157
[04:34] <maddawg2> oh goodie i was right
[04:34] <glitchd> xangua, nvrmnd i ust figured it out
[04:34] <maddawg2> he's able to boot windows 7 from the same usb using the linux tool
[04:34] <maddawg2> which proves my point
[04:34] <glitchd> maddawg2, is he in linux?
[04:34] <maddawg2> there was something changed with microsoft
[04:34] <maddawg2> glitchd, what?
[04:34] <glitchd> maddawg2, is he currently booted in linux?
[04:35] <maddawg2> well no he just booted from the win7 usb he created
[04:35] <maddawg2> he used some tool in linux to make it tho
[04:35] <maddawg2> the same tool he tried to make a windows 10 bootable usb from
[04:35] <maddawg2> that failed
[04:35] <glitchd> maddawg2, i believe i used dd the other day to make a windows 10 usb and reinstalled with it
[04:36] <glitchd> maddawg2, the tools dont work for whatever reason, but dd did
[04:36] <maddawg2> yea also it depends on where you got the iso
[04:36] <maddawg2> like if it's a vlsc
[04:36] <xangua> Now thanks to you he's gonna come and ask how to fix grub next
[04:36] <maddawg2> or an upgrade
[04:36] <maddawg2> (like the ISO you download druing the "free upgrade" process
[04:37] <glitchd> xangua, that sounds like complaining.
[04:39] <glitchd> maddawg2, tell him to use this to make a windows 10 usb "sudo dd if=/location/of/Windows.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M"
[04:39] <maddawg2> i think he's gonna try using the first tool u suggested then that
[04:40] <maddawg2> his iso is actually a dreamspark one
[04:40] <maddawg2> not sure if it's different than the retail or the vlsc
[04:40] <glitchd> never heard of a dreamspark iso..
[04:40] <maddawg2> microsoft dreamspark?
[04:40] <maddawg2> never heard of it?
[04:40] <glitchd> yep never heard of it
[04:40] <maddawg2> it's where students get free MS software
[04:40] <glitchd> mmk
[04:40] <maddawg2> i have a dreamspark
[04:41] <maddawg2> all OSes are free
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !ops | offtopic
[04:41] <maddawg2> and all software is free
[04:41] <glitchd> i dont use windows unless i absolutly have to
[04:41] <maddawg2> including vmware too
[04:41] <maddawg2> me neither
[04:41] <maddawg2> but i did when i was in school
[04:41] <maddawg2> i try to avoid it cuz i cant deal with  their licensing BS
[04:41] <glitchd> yep
[04:42] <engineer-pearl> Hey, I'm having trouble getting a command in crontab to work. My current command is "@reboot /usr/bin/screen -dmS gameserver-screen /home/engineerpearl0/./bootscript.sh" and I have it in both mine and the root crontab, but no screen seems to be open.
[04:42] <engineer-pearl> I am also unable to locate error logs
[04:43] <engineer-pearl> oh, oops, old command. "@reboot runuser -l engineerpearl0 /usr/bin/screen -dmS gameserver-screen /home/engineerpearl0/bootscript.sh" is the one in the root crontab
[04:45] <Geo> After upgrading from 14 to 16, now on boot, I see the error "Failed to load kernel modules"... when I look at the logs, i see that it failed to load module vmhgfs. Any thoughts on how to fix this error? (yes, its running in a vm)
[04:47] <maddawg2> are you using open-vm-tools by chance geo?
[04:47] <Geo> yes
[04:47] <maddawg2> do you also have the vmware tools too?
[04:47] <Geo> yes
[04:47] <maddawg2> or just the open-vm-tools
[04:47] <maddawg2> well you shouldnt have both
[04:47] <maddawg2> just an fyi
[04:48] <maddawg2> i use open-vm-tools personally
[04:48] <Geo> thats what i thought, but some guides have said to use both... and copy/paste started working again when I installed both
[04:48] <maddawg2> but i'd do an upgrade
[04:48] <Geo> was having tons of issues since the upgrade
[04:48] <maddawg2> copy and paste?
[04:48] <Geo> from host to vm
[04:49] <maddawg2> oh you're using vmware workstation
[04:49] <maddawg2> not vmware esxi
[04:49] <Geo> yes
[04:49] <maddawg2> yea.. well maybe try removing one of the tools
[04:50] <maddawg2> but i dont know if that will fix it for sure
[04:50] <maddawg2> just a guess
[04:50] <codepoetn> hey folks, how to set an application to auto-start everytime the system boots?
[04:50] <maddawg2> i'd purge open-vm-tools if you have vmware tools on there
[04:50] <Geo> ok
[04:50] <maddawg2> codepotato depends
[04:50] <maddawg2> latest version of ubuntu?
[04:50] <maddawg2> systemd does that now
[04:51] <maddawg2> what package are you trying to auto-boot?
[04:51] <codepoetn> ya 16.04 stable version
[04:51] <codepoetn> how?
[04:51] <maddawg2> what package
[04:51] <codepoetn> irc client
[04:51] <codepoetn> x-chat gnome
[04:51] <maddawg2> which one
[04:51] <maddawg2> ah
[04:51] <maddawg2> so it's a gui
[04:51] <codepoetn> yup
[04:51] <Geo> ok,rebooting- maddawg2, you think this will fix that module error, then?
[04:52] <Geo> (nope)
[04:52] <maddawg2> not sure
[04:52] <maddawg2> just a thought really
[04:53] <maddawg2> i dont know if you'll have to remove the mudle from the kernel
[04:53] <maddawg2> but i am not positive
[04:54] <Geo> removing openvmtools messes up the screen res as well
[04:54] <Geo> no longer fits on my screen
[04:56] <Geo> oh, interesting, just found a 'upgrade vm' option
[04:56] <Geo> (in vmware)
[04:56] <Geo> looks like i need to do that
[04:58] <karstensrage> how come its not looking in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security for a pam module on Xenial
[04:58] <karstensrage> i had to make a symlink in /lib/security
[05:01] <Tsukushie> Was wondering if someone could help me with a linux distro install that seems to be running into a lot of issues?
[05:02] <Tsukushie> Was wondering if someone could help me with a linux distro install that seems to be running into a lot of issues?
[05:03] <morf> Tsukushie: dont' ask about ask, just ask
[05:03] <morf> and don't repeat the questions please... if somebody knows the answer and want answer they will... thanks
[05:03] <Slyver> Tsukushie, describe the issues
[05:03] <Tsukushie> kk, sorry. Was not sure if my question was going through it kept telling me I had not registered.
[05:05] <BlackDalek> anyone know anything about hdd boot setup? I swapped my ubuntu hdd out of broken hp laptop temporarily into a working dell laptop. Laptop keeps saying no bootable media on disk. If I boot ubuntu on the Dell from an external drive with Ubuntu 15.04, then I can see the disk properties for the swapped drive. Seems to be 3 partitions: EFI, EXT4 and SWAP. None have a bootable flag set. EFI partition appears to contain grub c
[05:05] <BlackDalek> onfig files.
[05:07] <BlackDalek> EFI partition contains grub.cfg, grubx64.efi, MokManger.efi and shimx64.efi
[05:10] <Tsukushie> I am installing Ubuntu to a external HDD using a live USB that I have plugged into my desktop. I go through the process of installing ensuring I am connected to the internet and using gparted to properly align the hard drive, but after booting to the hard drive I run into issues grub, vfs, and other stuff. Now I am running into an issue with the booted linux not recognizing my broadcom proprietary driver. I have looked through foru
[05:11] <engineer-pearl> Okay I got one set of problems fixed, but I have another. I want to run a command at startup as me (crontab can only do that as SU), so I tried using runuser, which gave me the error "/bin/sh: 1: runuser: not found"
[05:12] <engineer-pearl> Most sites are reccomending I use "sudo" which is going the opposite direction
[05:12] <BlackDalek> Why won't my drive from the HP laptop boot in the Dell laptop?
[05:12] <BlackDalek> I've disabled secure boot and UEFI in BIOS.
[05:14] <ayogi> where can i see ssh successful login logs
[05:14] <ayogi> in ubuntu-14.04
[05:24] <kushal_kumaran> ayogi: /var/log/auth.log
[05:25] <ayogi> and where are the ssh logs are stored like service stopped and started?
[05:28] <kushal_kumaran> ayogi: look into the logs inside /var/log/upstart.  There should be files for each service there.  I don't have a 14.04 installation handy so can't check myself.
[05:30] <ayogi> kushal_kumaran, there are no files for ssh
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> i just wrote a script file but when i double-click it it's always opened by gedit instead of executed.
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> the script file's content is:
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> #!/bin/bash
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> cd ~/programs/freegate
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> ./fg.exe
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> these two commands run well if manually entered in Terminal.
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> also, i have made the file executable.
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> but still it's opened by gedit.
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> o, i solved it...
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> it's an option in Nautilus's Preferences.
[06:54] <UniFreak> I installed nginx, stopped apache by running `service apache2 stop`
[06:54] <reisio> gj
[06:55] <UniFreak> but a weird thing happen, when I access my site `mysite.vbox` from my host machine, sometime it is normal, sometime it give me 404 error page generated by apache
[06:55] <UniFreak> I inspected the respond header, the server is still apache
[06:56] <UniFreak> and when it's normal, the server header is nginx
[06:56] <UniFreak> how can that happen
[06:56] <UniFreak> here is my virtual host setup:  http://kopy.io/o1Jsd
[06:57] <svip> After upgrading to 16.04, I've noticed a tendency for X to get incredibly slow.
[06:57] <svip> Right now, X is constantly using 100% CPU.
[06:58] <reisio> svip: according to what?
[06:58] <svip> According to htop.
[06:58] <reisio> UniFreak: why in a VM?
[06:59] <svip> More specifically; /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg
[06:59] <hiya> when I do
[06:59] <hiya> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[07:00] <hiya> I get an error in ubuntu 16, then how do I make it write-protected?
[07:01] <UniFreak> reisio: I'm on Windows
[07:02] <reisio> I'm sure you can run nginx directly on Windows
[07:02] <reisio> especially if you hate yourself, which you clearly do if you run Windows :p
[07:04] <svip> reisio: I am convinced some program fucks up X for one reason or another, which leaves it in a state where it is just consistently slow.
[07:04] <snowkidind> UniFreak http://askubuntu.com/questions/170640/how-to-disable-apache2-server-from-auto-starting-upon-boot-up
[07:04] <svip> Until I restart X.
[07:05] <reisio> svip: look to your graphics driver first
[07:05] <reisio> svip: and/or the specific linux version you're using with it
[07:06] <Triffid_Hunter> UniFreak: sounds like you have two VMs that respond to that name, and windows randomly picks one each time
[07:07] <svip> reisio: I am using nvidia-367 on 4.4.0-53.
[07:07] <UniFreak> Triffid_Hunter: how can I make sure of that?
[07:08] <reisio> svip: try nouveau
[07:08] <UniFreak> Triffid_Hunter: I do have two vagrant box, bot have the same private ip, but the other is not even started
[07:09] <Triffid_Hunter> UniFreak: no idea, windows is hard mode.. try ping, it should report the ip it gets from your OS's DNS subsystem
[07:16] <UniFreak> I don't know. I just removed the other vagrant box by running `vagrant box remove thatBox`
[07:17] <UniFreak> now seems it's stable
[07:17] <UniFreak> I'm not sure...
[07:18] <joegiampaoli> Why are interface names now like "enp0s20u3" and "enp3s0" and "wlp2s0" instead of "usb0" "eth0" and "wlan0" and is this the norm now?
[07:23] <hateball> joegiampaoli: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[07:28] <joe_giampaoli> hateball: Thanks, I appreciate the link!
[07:37] <hateball> joe_giampaoli: answer to the question is yes, it is the norm :p
[07:37] <hateball> joe_giampaoli: but as you can see in the link, you can revert to the old behavior if you like
[07:38] <joe_giampaoli> hateball: Yes, I see it is the norm now, I guess it's OK, I can live with it, maybe :P Thanks anyway! Really appreciate the answer!
[07:54] <Dr_Coke> How's it going hateball
[07:56] <avoider> Is there a way to remove grub? so i can install windows back on my machine.
[07:57] <Dr_Coke> Yeah sure there is
[07:57] <avoider> Well im having issues for 4 hours now.
[07:57] <avoider> Everything else will boot from usb i,e linux
[07:57] <avoider> Windows will not boot at all.
[07:57] <avoider> Gives me the error "Boot device not found"
[07:57] <Dr_Coke> Actually if you delete the partition grubs on it will wipe it off if your computer is in uefi mode but if grub is on the mbr
[07:58] <Dr_Coke> you can insert the windows disk boot it up into setup and go to terminal
[07:58] <avoider> Problem is
[07:58] <Dr_Coke> and wipe the mbr
[07:58] <Dr_Coke> mbr is main boot records
[07:58] <avoider> It wont let me even boot windows at all
[07:58] <hateball> avoider: Try ##windows
[07:59] <Dr_Coke> no you need to just boot into the setup cd
[07:59] <Dr_Coke> avoider, actually windows people would know
[07:59] <avoider> they dont see to know.
[07:59] <Dr_Coke> I was talking from my memory of windows 7
[07:59] <avoider> I have only usb no cd drive on this laptop
[07:59] <Dr_Coke> not windows 10
[08:00] <avoider> This is windows 7
[08:00] <avoider> usb
[08:00] <Dr_Coke> is the bios set to boot usb first
[08:00] <hateball> It's also not an Ubuntu problem
[08:00] <avoider> i tried that.
[08:01] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: you need a bootloader on your disk or nothing can boot. if grub is there, you need to either tell grub to boot windows, or put the windows one there. we (probably) can't help you put the windows one there
[08:01] <hiya> Why does chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf gives error in Ubuntu?
[08:01] <hiya> What is cause of it?
[08:01] <hateball> hiya: What is it you're looking to acheive?
[08:01] <avoider> how can i remove it
[08:01] <avoider> grub
[08:01] <avoider> or w.e
[08:02] <hiya> hateball, to write protect resolv.conf
[08:02] <hiya> nothing else
[08:03] <avoider> I just want to remove grub
[08:03] <Dr_Coke> avoider, if you can't boot into the windows setup on the usb you're screwed
[08:03] <avoider> so i can boot windows
[08:03] <hateball> hiya: Sounds like it's some other problem you're trying to work around
[08:03] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: it doesn't work like that.. you can remove grub by eg dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=448 but then you'll be *even more* screwed when windows still won't start
[08:03] <Ben64> avoider: if you want windows, install windows
[08:04] <avoider> it wont install
[08:04] <hiya> hateball, I am having DNS issues when I setp OpenVPN with NM in Unity
[08:04] <avoider> i just said only thing i can get to boot is this retarded linux os's
[08:04] <Ben64> then you're doing it wrong
[08:04] <hateball> hiya: a known bug iirc
[08:04] <hiya> hateball, how to fix?
[08:04] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: well that's nothing to do with grub.. tell grub to boot windows for you, or go wrestle with your BIOS
[08:04] <hiya> I want to write protect resolv.conf
[08:05] <avoider> i dont know how to tell grub to boot windows.
[08:05] <Ben64> you don't
[08:05] <Ben64> continue getting support in ##windows ... it is not an ubuntu issue
[08:06] <avoider> it obviouslt is
[08:06] <Dr_Coke> avoider, penis into powerpoint should solve it
[08:06] <avoider> because after i installed ubuntu
[08:06] <avoider> i had this issue
[08:06] <avoider> i could install several diff windows os and never have this issue
[08:06] <Ben64> you're having trouble booting windows from a usb, thats all your computer, flash drive, and bios. nothing to do with ubuntu at all
[08:06] <avoider> so obviously has to do with the crappy software linux puts on my machine
[08:07] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: no it's not. your computer's BIOS decides which disk to boot from. if it's deciding to boot the wrong one, it's not grub's fault and there's nothing grub can do about it except chain-load the disk you do want to boot from
[08:07] <hateball> hiya: trying to find the bug on launchpad. I dont use openvpn myself, but I am guessing your problem is dns leaking?
[08:07] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: if your BIOS picked the right disk, grub would never even get looked at
[08:07] <avoider> So you guys dont know any way to get this off my computer?
[08:07] <avoider> just tell me its not because of linux
[08:07] <avoider> lol
[08:08] <avoider> nice
[08:08] <Dr_Coke> avoider get a new hard drive
[08:08] <Dr_Coke> that will fix it
[08:08] <Ben64> avoider: you're already in ##windows, that's where you're going to get your windows issue solved
[08:08] <avoider> too bad all you devs cant figure it better soultion
[08:08] <avoider> for ppl
[08:08] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: sure, just erase first sector of the disk. that'll blow away first-stage bootloader, partition table and magic word. now your bios will think the disk is blank and, since it apparently can't boot from USB, your computer will be completely bricked
[08:08] <avoider> or make it more freidnly
[08:08] <hateball> hiya: here is one bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1211110
[08:09] <Dr_Coke> LOL
[08:09] <hateball> hiya: as writeprotecting resolv.conf will likely lead to breakage
[08:09] <Triffid_Hunter> avoider: so let me be clear: it's easy to remove grub, however I'm pretty sure that's not what you actually want
[08:10] <Dr_Coke> he or she left
[08:11] <Dr_Coke> I thought they were trolling
[08:11] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah oh well, demanding a solution that won't fix the problem and in fact will make more problems because the actual problem is elsewhere and refusing to listen to anyone kindly trying to explain isn't gonna be effective no matter how they come at it
[08:11] <Dr_Coke> either that or really couldn't get their computer to boot
[08:11] <Triffid_Hunter> they apparently could get grub running.. *shrug*
[08:11] <Dr_Coke> yeah
[08:12] <hiya> hateball, no it does not :(
[08:30] <ptsec> why do I have like 500 private messages from different people about someone named 'kloeri'
[08:32] <xormor> ptsec, botnet spam, to stop it use /mode ptsec +R
[08:33] <ptsec> xormor, wouldn't that affect the ability of legit messages to come through?
[08:33] <hateball> ptsec: it blocks non-authed users
[08:34] <ptsec> got it, thanks :)
[08:34] <ptsec> mission accomplished.
[08:35] <mikunos> hi guys why I receive these errors: http://pastie.org/pastes/10980147/text?key=p4hhzw5nrcfolyu5uo2nw
[08:37] <mikunos> any hint?
[08:41] <zzarr> I'm listening to the latest Ubuntu Community  Q&A on youtube, they just talked about the case that Mark Shuttleworth wrote about where a cloud company had taken Ubuntu and made a copy that was not Ubuntu at all
[08:43] <zzarr> I get angry when people handle Ubuntu so badly
[08:45] <puffinz> More braun than brains
[08:45] <th0r> zzarr, you're not going to shoot up a pizzeria, are you?
[08:46] <puffinz> Where do you think all that cheap meat comes from.... made from children.
[08:46] <zzarr> th0r, no, I just got emotional, that's all
[08:46] <puffinz> Deliciousness
[08:51] <mikunos> any help?
[08:53] <th0r> mikunos, does ubuntu still support i686??
[08:53] <mikunos> th0r yes I think ...
[09:04] <mikunos> th0r my OS support the 64-bit
[09:05] <th0r> mikunos, have you tried another set of repos....other than italy?
[09:06] <puffinz> This day should be fun.
[09:09] <may68> Can I use directx in Ubuntu
[09:10] <ducasse> mikunos: pastebin your sources.list
[09:12] <Firefly67>  Hi, I have an ubuntu/windows partitioned laptop. How do I check how much disk space is allocated to each?
[09:13] <ducasse> Firefly67: 'lsblk' will list all partitions
[09:13] <Mathisen> Firefly67, df
[09:14] <Firefly67> but how do I know from that output which is for windows and which for linux?
[09:15] <Firefly67> sda, sdb in lsblk?
[09:15] <ducasse> Firefly67: try 'lsblk -f', that will tell you the filesystems. ntfs is windows.
[09:17] <Firefly67> I see this: http://pastebin.com/7m3mGYzR
[09:17] <mikunos> ducasse http://pastie.org/pastes/10980186/text?key=dyhhi2immqyek521mcaokg
[09:18] <Firefly67> disk sda with partitions sda1-sda9, and disk sdb with partitions sdb1-sdb2?
[09:20] <EriC^^> Firefly67: try with sudo lsblk -f
[09:20] <EriC^^> what ubuntu version is this?
[09:20] <Firefly67> 14.04
[09:20] <EriC^^> ok
[09:21] <Firefly67> what do sda and sdb stand for? Does one correspond to linux and one to windows?
[09:21] <EriC^^> they're different disks
[09:21] <EriC^^> the numbers are the partitions
[09:21] <Firefly67> ok
[09:22] <Firefly67> http://pastebin.com/8RGG5nud
[09:22] <Firefly67> that's with -f
[09:23] <EriC^^> no it's not
[09:23] <EriC^^> try "sudo lsblk -f"
[09:24] <Firefly67> oh yes
[09:24] <Firefly67> http://pastebin.com/4BzhzCm2
[09:24] <Firefly67> so sda4 is windows
[09:25] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:25] <Firefly67> and how do I calculate how much percentage of space has been allocated to windows (vs linux)?
[09:26] <ducasse> Firefly67: you add the ntfs partitions up.
[09:27] <EriC^^> Firefly67: try sudo parted -l
[09:27] <EriC^^> it's more clear
[09:28] <may68> My Ubuntu got hacked
[09:28] <may68> How do I check what got hacked
[09:31] <Firefly67> http://pastebin.com/5FefP5XF : so it seems like I have 524 GB in total, and about half of it (adding up the ntfs partitions) is Windows?
[09:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:33] <EriC^^> roughly half for windows half for linux
[09:34] <Firefly67> oh, I though windows was much smaller; I only use it for powerpoint presentations and work most of the time on linux
[09:34] <fl00dbuckets> I flood channels!
[09:34] <fl00dbuckets> I am going to flood this channel!
[09:35] <EriC^^> Firefly67: you can shrink it if you want, or mount it somewhere and use it for data files
[09:36] <Firefly67> no, this laptop is broken, I won't do anything to it
[09:36] <Firefly67> a system administrator did it for me last time; I have to do it myself for a new laptop I am getting. Do you have any recommendations for beginners wanting to install both windows and linux?
[09:36] <EriC^^> is it a lenovo?
[09:36] <Firefly67> any websites you could recommend?
[09:36] <Firefly67> yes
[09:36] <EriC^^> i'd recommend you read a little about uefi
[09:36] <Firefly67> the top broke, it has come off one of the hinges, it is a mess, I am getting a new laptop now
[09:37] <EriC^^> you'll face the problem of booting into windows automatically
[09:38] <EriC^^> Firefly67: install windows first, then linux, then if it starts booting into windows you'll need to change some uefi stuff
[09:38] <Firefly67> oh ok
[09:38] <Firefly67> is it possible to mess it all up irreversibly?
[09:38] <EriC^^> no
[09:38] <Firefly67> ok
[09:38] <EriC^^> i can write a tiny guide for you, hold on
[09:40] <Firefly67> thanks!
[09:47] <Firefly67> do you need ubuntu on a usb or can you do it from the internet? Does a lenovo laptop come with windows already installed?
[09:49] <jhonnyBeGood> friends i have a problem .. the machine got stucked
[09:49] <jhonnyBeGood> i got this message from kernel
[09:50] <jhonnyBeGood> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#4 stuck for 22s! [postgres:18222]
[09:50] <jhonnyBeGood> kern.log-2016-12-08T02:39:54.798794+00:00 ger-dwh03 kernel: [1664723.283023] Modules linked in: ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat nf_nat_ipv4 nf_nat xt_LOG xt_limit xt_policy nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 xt_comment xt_conntrack nf_conntrack xt_multiport iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables arc4 md4 nls_utf8 cifs fscache cmac rmd160 crypto_null camellia_generic camellia_aesni_avx_x86_64 camellia_x86_64 cast6_avx_x86_64 cast6_generic
[09:50] <jhonnyBeGood>  cast5_avx_x86_64 cast5_generic cast_common deflate cts ctr gcm ccm serpent_avx_x86_64 serpent_sse2_x86_64 serpent_generic blowfish_generic blowfish_x86_64 blowfish_common twofish_generic twofish_avx_x86_64 twofish_x86_64_3way xts twofish_x86_64 twofish_common xcbc sha256_ssse3 sha512_ssse3 des_generic xfrm_user ah6 ah4 esp6 esp4 xfrm4_mode_beet xfrm4_tunnel tunnel4 xfrm4_mode_tunnel xfrm4_mode_transport xfrm6_mode_transport xfrm6_mode_ro xfrm6_mode_be
[09:50] <jhonnyBeGood> et xfrm6_mode_tunnel ipcomp ipcomp6 xfrm6_tunnel tunnel6 xfrm_ipcomp af_key xfrm_algo gpio_ich ipmi_devintf dcdbas intel_rapl x86_pkg_temp_thermal intel_powerclamp coretemp kvm_intel kvm crct10dif_pclmul crc32_pclmul ghash_clmulni_intel aesni_intel aes_x86_64 lrw gf128mul glue_helper joydev ablk_helper cryptd sb_edac ipmi_si wmi mac_hid edac_core shpchp acpi_power_meter lpc_ich lp parport btrfs libcrc32c raid10 raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy as
[09:50] <jhonnyBeGood> ync_pq async_xor async_tx xor hid_generic usbhid hid raid6_pq raid1 raid0 multipath linear igb ahci i2c_algo_bit dca libahci ptp megaraid_sas pps_core
[09:51] <ducasse> !paste | jhonnyBeGood don't do that again
[09:51] <EriC^^> Firefly67: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23602735/
[09:51] <EriC^^> i'll reread it to spot any mistakes
[09:51] <jhonnyBeGood> danke!
[09:51] <jhonnyBeGood> i did not know about it
[09:52] <EriC^^> Firefly67: the efibootmgr command are switched, -A disables, -a re-enables
[09:53] <jhonnyBeGood> that is the message \
[09:53] <jhonnyBeGood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23602741/
[09:55] <EriC^^> Firefly67: edited version http://paste.ubuntu.com/23602745/
[09:57] <Firefly67> thank you Eric^^
[09:57] <EriC^^> Firefly67: no problem
[09:57] <Firefly67> are you usually around here regularly? I think I will get my laptop next week
[09:58] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah i am
[09:58] <Firefly67> ok, then I will log in here if I have issues
[09:58] <EriC^^> ok, cool
[09:58] <Firefly67> I am reading your guide, I don't understand it fully, but I will read it several times and maybe I'll get it
[10:00] <Firefly67> I have to be connected to the internet during this process? Will it come with windows installed? Will I need a CD/usb to install either/both windows/linux?
[10:00] <Firefly67> like, I power on the laptop, and immediately press F10/F12?
[10:01] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah, you'll need a usb or cd to install linux
[10:01] <Firefly67> oh I see, it can't be downloaded from the internet or something?
[10:01] <Firefly67> or via another laptop?
[10:01] <EriC^^> after you install it, it might boot into windows, if that happens, follow the guide
[10:01] <Firefly67> I must get it from someone?
[10:02] <Firefly67> oh I see
[10:02] <EriC^^> get the iso from http://www.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <Firefly67> so these are post-installation instructions? Not instructions as to how to actually partition the drive(s)?
[10:02] <cfhowlett> "someone"?  how about downloading from the official source?
[10:03] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yes, these are instructions in case after you install ubuntu it keeps booting windows (some uefi implementations are like that, hp and lenovo especially)
[10:03] <Firefly67> oh I see
[10:03] <Firefly67> I don't even know how to partition it and install both in the first place
[10:04] <EriC^^> Firefly67: first get the iso from the ubuntu site, and use linuxliveusbcreator to make a live usb
[10:04] <EriC^^> then in windows go to the disk management and right click on the windows volume and click on shrink
[10:05] <EriC^^> and choose the space you want to give ubuntu, then boot the ubuntu live usb you made, and let the installer partition for you, choose install alongside windows
[10:05] <Firefly67> ok, so will the new laptop come with windows pre-installed?
[10:05] <EriC^^> use torrent to get the ubuntu iso, or checksum the iso yourself if you get it from the website via http
[10:05] <Firefly67> ok
[10:05] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah they usually do
[10:06] <EriC^^> some are coming with FreeDOS though
[10:06] <EriC^^> no OS basically
[10:06] <Firefly67> ok, so my job will be to shrink the windows part to make room for linux
[10:06] <EriC^^> it should say in the specs if windows is included
[10:06] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah
[10:09] <Firefly67> ok, I am taking notes from this chat
[10:09] <Firefly67> this is all reversible, right? If I mess up I can take it to a professional who can undo whatever I've done wrong?
[10:09] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah, no worries
[10:10] <EriC^^> you should be fine though
[10:10] <EriC^^> ;)
[10:11] <Firefly67> I've never done it, I am a user and don't know much about administration
[10:12] <Firefly67> I just have to shrink the space, then reboot it with the ubuntu usb, and it will know where to install ubuntu?
[10:12] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah
[10:13] <Firefly67> shrinking it marks it as "free space" available to install other OSs?
[10:13] <cfhowlett> there's another option Firefly67 that is less work.  Install virtualbox to your Windows computer.  Install a light *buntu to the virtualbox, i.e. lubuntu/xuubntu.  Your speed will be somewhat reduced but you'll have a working ubuntu system to learn with.  If you get tired if it, just delete it out of windows as normal.
[10:13] <EriC^^> cfhowlett: he uses linux already full time
[10:14] <cfhowlett> ah!  sorry did not know.  thankx EriC^^
[10:14] <Firefly67> no I need proper linux, it is my main OS, I only use windows for powerpoint presentations
[10:14] <EriC^^> no problem cfhowlett
[10:15] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah shrinking it removes some space from it and marks it as unallocated space so ubuntu can use it
[10:15] <eagle_> Hi, Is there any issues with install of Ubuntu 16.04.01 on Intel NUC5CPYH ?
[10:17] <joegiampaoli> OK, I just accidentally transferred 40 million dollars because my touchpad is waaaaaaaay to sensitive. I want to lower the sensitivity of the tap ONLY, not the cursor moving, I like the soft movement, but I want to use my forehead with all my might to tap. How can I do this? And don't worry about the money, I'll make some more tomorrow, but if I don't fis this touchpad issue soon I will loose my sanity...
[10:18] <joegiampaoli> and I just deleted all my porn...
[10:18] <cfhowlett> joegiampaoli, go play in someone else's channel pleae.
[10:18] <joegiampaoli> cfhowlett: does it sound to you like I'm playing? I'm asking for help
[10:19] <joegiampaoli> Read my help line and tell me if it sounds like a joke to you
[10:19] <dax> probably better if you dial down the absurdity.
[10:19] <cfhowlett> no you are telling silly jokes.  if you have an actual tech support issue, drop the comedy and the attitude.  state your problem with precision and clarity.
[10:19] <joegiampaoli> dax: There's absurdity everywhere, you will have to learn to accept it, now, care to help me?
[10:19] <may68> This is the Internet
[10:20] <dax> thanks may68 i wasn't sure
[10:20] <eagle_> [15:50]  <eagle_> Hi, Is there any issues with install of Ubuntu 16.04.01 on Intel NUC5CPYH ?
[10:20] <eagle_> [15:50]  <eagle_> Hi, Is there any issues with install of Ubuntu 16.04.01 on Intel NUC5CPYH ?
[10:20] <joegiampaoli> OK, let me rephrase my help line then and make it more simple for you to read
[10:20] <may68> It's serious business
[10:20] <may68> You have to be serious on the Internet
[10:20] <may68> Ubuntu is full or important people
[10:20] <may68> Of
[10:21] <joegiampaoli> How can I make the tap sensitivity lower in my touchpad ONLY for the tap?
[10:21] <anonymous85> Everyone, please be more sermious!
[10:21] <may68> Serious business!
[10:21] <joegiampaoli> Is that better? Is that nderstandable? :)
[10:21] <joegiampaoli> Is that ENGLISH? for you?
[10:22] <eagle_> Is there any issues with install of Ubuntu 16.04.01 on Intel NUC5CPYH ? I am seeking serious help here. I'm stuck at it for hours.
[10:22] <may68> No, the primary language is Chinese
[10:22] <i_and_i> good morning
[10:22] <Ben64> eagle_: are there any issues with installing 16.04.1 on intel nuc5cpyh?
[10:22] <joegiampaoli> may68: I didn't ask what is the primary language...
[10:23] <i_and_i> i'm looking for help with GTK treeview drag&drop
[10:23] <i_and_i> <amateur
[10:23] <joegiampaoli> Now, anyone care to help me with this sophisticated issue? :)
[10:23] <eagle_> I don't see any screen after booting the NUC from bootable pen drive.
[10:23] <Firefly67> EriC^^, I suppose I will see something like this: http://www.disk-partition.com/windows-8/images/shrink-volume-windows-8/shrink-d.gif . If I have a 500 GB hard disk and want to allocate 20% to Windows, I should enter 400000 in the "enter the amount of space to shrink in MB"?
[10:23] <eagle_> Just A screen with Ubuntu, and few dots repeating in it self
[10:23] <ppf> eagle_: hit escape
[10:24] <i_and_i> eagle .. seems it's busy loading or so
[10:24] <eagle_> tried, doesn't goes to terminal screen
[10:24] <eagle_> i waited for around 30 mins
[10:24] <i_and_i> wow
[10:24] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: boot in safe mode and see if you get any weird messages
[10:25] <eagle_> dude, i am trying to install it. Its NOT YET INSTALLED
[10:25] <i_and_i> maybe the pen drive booter is faulty
[10:25] <eagle_> tried with 2 pen drive
[10:25] <i_and_i> hmm
[10:25] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: OH, then some hardware detection problem probably
[10:25] <anonymous85> @joegiampaoli You can't unless the hardware supports it.
[10:25] <eagle_> i tried 14.04 on same pend drive on same NUC, it worked.
[10:25] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: Is your network up and running?
[10:25] <i_and_i> are there any other bootable systems on your hard drive ?
[10:25] <eagle_> ya
[10:26] <eagle_> no, no other bootable
[10:26] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: Did you do a "Check Disk for Defexts"?
[10:26] <cfhowlett> 14.04 is still supported, eagle_.  install it then run sudo do-release-upgrade to reach 16.04.1
[10:26] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: cfhowlett is corret
[10:26] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yes
[10:26] <eagle_> ya i can do the release upgrade, but thats the other way around.
[10:26] <joegiampaoli> You can do a rool upgrade from one LTS to another LTS
[10:27] <joegiampaoli> roll
[10:27] <eagle_> when i have 16.04, y shouldn't i be able to install directly from 16.04
[10:27] <eagle_> i just update the NUC firmware also
[10:27] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: hmmmm
[10:27] <Firefly67> EriC^^ are there other numbers I have to be familiar/conversant with? I have heard of people having to choose an amount of swap(?) space while making a partition, etc.
[10:27] <ppf> eagle_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521749
[10:28] <joegiampaoli> eagle_: are you installing from CD/DVD or USB
[10:28] <ppf> can you give the suggestions in there a try?
[10:28] <joegiampaoli> christ! can someone shed some light on me please with my issue?
[10:28] <ppf> the bug is about 4.2
[10:28] <EriC^^> Firefly67: sometimes it won't shrink as large a space as you ask it to cause of fragmentation, if it says it's unable to then run the defragmentation utility and it should let you shrink it
[10:28] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[10:28] <ppf> might still apply
[10:29] <EriC^^> Firefly67: no, ubuntu will take care of swap and everything else
[10:29] <Firefly67> ok
[10:29] <cfhowlett> ppf, if that bug effects you, subscribe.  if not, file or join the correct bug report
[10:29] <Haris> hello all
[10:29] <Haris> if interface config is not in /etc/network/interfaces, where else is it located on 14.04 ?
[10:30] <Haris> I tried updateing /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired Connection1 and then restarting networking via /etc/init.d/networking restart. but it didn't work
[10:30] <Firefly67> EriC^^, does 20% for Windows and 80% for linux sound like a reasonable split to you? My current partition seems to have been 50-50, not sure why it was installed that way as I primarily use linux, so I am wondering if windows applications need more space or something
[10:31] <Ben64> Haris: what are you trying to do
[10:31] <Haris> if I try to re-set default gw, I'll get disconnected. This VM doesn't have screen on it yet
[10:31] <Haris> change the default gw
[10:31] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yes it sounds great
[10:31] <Haris> preferebly, without getting kicked off
[10:31] <Ben64> oh vm, i'm out
[10:36] <cfhowlett> Haris, is this a virtualbox VM?
[10:36] <Haris> no
[10:36] <Haris> vmware
[10:37] <cfhowlett> you might want to ask the vmware channel the question.  In vbox, the host machine does the heavy lifting and the vbox picks up the available input and should auto-configure.  Works like magic in vbox.
[10:38] <Firefly67> EriC^^, would you suggest I get Ubuntu 14 or 16?
[10:38] <EriC^^> Firefly67: 16, it's supported for longer
[10:38] <EriC^^> 16.04
[10:38] <Firefly67> ok
[10:39] <i_and_i> i always update to the latest stable version
[10:39] <Haris> hmm
[10:39] <i_and_i> better security
[10:39] <Ben64> as long as the release is still supported, they're all the same amount of secure
[10:39] <i_and_i> really?
[10:39] <Ben64> yep
[10:40] <cfhowlett> LTS only.  more sanity and fewer growing pains.  I would submit that an updated LTS is no less secure than the very latest release.
[10:40] <i_and_i> but i get often security updates
[10:40] <may68> Is Ubuntu male or female?
[10:40] <Ben64> i_and_i: that's a good thing
[10:40] <i_and_i> neuter
[10:40] <i_and_i> yep
[10:40] <cfhowlett> and 12.04,14.04 and 16.04 also get regular security updates, i_and_i
[10:40] <i_and_i> best tip is to install the security updates as soon as possible
[10:41] <may68> Give me one good reason to install Ubuntu
[10:42] <i_and_i> may68 .. i think its a name in Swahili
[10:42] <i_and_i> may68 .. liberation
[10:42] <may68> But I lose the freedom to run Windows programs
[10:43] <i_and_i> ahaha freedom and Windows in one sentence :))
[10:43] <elias_a> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
[10:43] <Ben64> i_and_i: it's a troll, don't waste your time
[10:43] <ducasse> i_and_i: don't feed the troll.
[10:43] <i_and_i> ahh ic
[10:43] <mikaelyan> Which is better Linux for old laptop?
[10:43] <cfhowlett> mikaelyan, lubuntu  or xubuntu
[10:44] <mikaelyan> cfhowlett, thanks!
[10:44] <cfhowlett> happy2help! mikaelyan
[10:45] <Firefly67> EriC^^, I am reading up on how to dual boot, this page says I need to back up windows - can the backup be done to a usb drive? Or do I need an external hard drive? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Dual-boot-Linux-and-Windows-on-a-PC-with-W/step4/Backup-Windows/
[10:45] <EriC^^> Firefly67: try to make a recovery usb from windows
[10:45] <i_and_i> backup all your files to external drive or USB drive
[10:46] <may68> If I install Linux I cannot run league of legends for example
[10:46] <i_and_i> i dunno that .. but you can install Ubuntu next to your Windows
[10:47] <Firefly67> EriC^^, ok, do you know how much space the USB drive should have? I will have no files on my own to begin with, just whatever files Windows already comes with
[10:47] <Firefly67> *no files of my own
[10:47] <ubitqty> hi i just upgraded to 16.04 and xrandr doesnt have my resolution that i used before
[10:48] <i_and_i> which resolution ?
[10:48] <EriC^^> Firefly67: if you have a big enough usb or hdd you can clone your hdd before installing linux
[10:48] <EriC^^> and in case it doesn't work out you can revert the whole hdd back
[10:48] <ubitqty> i_and_i, 1440x900
[10:49] <EriC^^> Firefly67: it has to be as large as the hdd to get a clone of the whole hdd, including the partition table and everything, so 500gb if the hdd is 500gb
[10:49] <ubitqty> after the upgrade i had to reinstall nvidia-current
[10:49] <i_and_i> hmm i dont have that resolution either
[10:50] <ubitqty> i only see upto 1024x768
[10:50] <Ben64> ubitqty: pastebin the output of xrandr
[10:50] <Firefly67> EriC^^, no I just have some 16 and 32 GB usbs I think - do I have to clone it all, or just backup some files?
[10:50] <i_and_i> mine to 1366x768
[10:51] <i_and_i> firefly , all
[10:52] <Firefly67> oh that's a lot of space
[10:52] <i_and_i> i guess 32Gb would be enough, else you need an external drive
[10:52] <EriC^^> Firefly67: if you want to revert it all you have to clone it
[10:52] <ducasse> ubitqty: what does 'mokutil --sb-state' return?
[10:52] <ubitqty> Ben64, https://pst.moe/paste/ashipl
[10:53] <ubitqty> i dont have mokutil installed
[10:53] <ducasse> ubitqty: install it and try.
[10:53] <Ben64> is this not a real computer
[10:53] <EriC^^> Firefly67: you want to revert it in case it doesn't go well, or to backup just personal files you'll have on it?
[10:54] <ubitqty> it is an old one
[10:54] <Ben64> is it real though? like not a vm
[10:54] <ubitqty> yeah
[10:54] <Ben64> what monitor is it and how is it connected? also what gpu
[10:54] <ubitqty> ducasse, efi variables are not supported
[10:54] <ubitqty> its an acer dunno about the model
[10:54] <ubitqty> vga connected
[10:54] <ducasse> ubitqty: sorry, it was just a hunch.
[10:54] <Ben64> ew vga
[10:55] <ubitqty> oh and since the upgrade my fan doesnt seem to stop working either
[10:55] <Firefly67> EriC^^, I don't really know, I won't have any personal files as it will be a new laptop, I am just trying to understand what the Windows backup is about. I suppose it is not an optional step? Could I not back up windows, and just install it from a CD in case things go wrong?
[10:55] <cfhowlett> yes you could do exactly that
[10:56] <Firefly67> I don't know where I'd get 500 GB of usb/hdd space from otherwise
[10:56] <ducasse> ubitqty: see the xorg log which driver module is actually used
[10:58] <i_and_i> if you have no personal files .. there is no reason to backup anything
[10:58] <ubitqty> i dont see anything odd
[10:58] <Ben64> just make sure you have recovery media Firefly67
[11:00] <Firefly67> Ben64, ok
[11:00] <branant> x
[11:02] <Firefly67> it seems I can't just save the iso to a usb, I have to use UBetbootin to save a bootable version?
[11:02] <Firefly67> *UNetbootin
[11:03] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, unetbootin configures the .iso + usb as a bootable medium
[11:04] <EriC^^> Firefly67: you can make a recovery usb from windows
[11:04] <i_and_i> firefly you can use any dedicated backup-program that saves the backup to USB
[11:04] <EriC^^> Firefly67: usually there's a big partition at the end of the disk on pre-installed windows laptops that's used for recovery, you can make a recovery usb from windows it's usually around 20gb
[11:05] <Firefly67> ok
[11:05] <Firefly67> so I should get a 32 GB USB, I checked the one I have and it is only 16 GB
[11:05] <EriC^^> Firefly67: there is an issue though as i'm not entirely sure it would still work in case of an altered partition table, i think it usually just extracts an image of the laptop in the original state, in that case you can manually partition using an ubuntu live usb and extract the image yourself
[11:06] <Firefly67> ok
[11:06] <EriC^^> ( it might work without doing that, i've never tried using the recovery usb on a laptop that had the partition tables modified )
[11:06] <Firefly67> if I really need recovery and such I will need help from a professional, don't think I can do it myself
[11:07] <EriC^^> Firefly67: you can do it, make the recovery usb from windows and you can do it
[11:07] <Firefly67> ok
[11:07] <i_and_i> it's simple .. just a long copy-paste
[11:07] <Firefly67> make the recovery usb before any partitions?
[11:07] <EriC^^> if windows 10 doesn't have that option anymore, then clone the 16gb or so partition that's in the end of the disk
[11:07] <EriC^^> to a usb, using dd
[11:08] <EriC^^> sudo dd if=/dev/sdxY of=/dev/sdZ bs=4M ( where /dev/sdxY is the recovery partition and /dev/sdZ is the usb disk )
[11:08] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yeah, do that first
[11:08] <EriC^^> in your current laptop you had one at the end called "lenovo" it was like 16gb
[11:08] <EriC^^> it'll be somewhat similar
[11:09] <Firefly67> yes
[11:09] <Firefly67> how do I run sudo commands before linux is installed though?
[11:09] <EriC^^> also run sudo parted /dev/sdX unit s print and save it somewhere
[11:09] <i_and_i> good point
[11:10] <EriC^^> in case you need to restore the partition table as it was exactly
[11:10] <EriC^^> Firefly67: from the live usb, in the try ubuntu mode
[11:10] <ubitqty> any idea why my fan wont stop working?
[11:11] <Firefly67> EriC^^, ok
[11:11] <i_and_i> just skip the backup .. you can get a windows install anywhere
[11:12] <i_and_i> ubitqty.. try turning the PC off, see if the fan is still on
[11:12] <ubitqty> tried that
[11:12] <i_and_i> hm
[11:12] <ubitqty> it stops workin when its off
[11:12] <i_and_i> ahh that's a clue
[11:13] <EriC^^> ubitqty: what are the temps like? try "sensors"
[11:13] <EriC^^> in the terminal
[11:13] <ubitqty> https://pst.moe/paste/iturve
[11:13] <EriC^^> looks good
[11:14] <EriC^^> anything hogging the cpu? try "top"
[11:14] <ubitqty> no
[11:15] <ubitqty> only xorg and awesome
[11:15] <EriC^^> maybe it's an acpi issue?
[11:15] <ubitqty> which means?
[11:16] <EriC^^> try sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows
[11:17] <ubitqty> ms windows, ms win nt, win 2001, win2006
[11:17] <EriC^^> get the most recent one
[11:17] <EriC^^> then type sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[11:17] <ubitqty> most recent of what
[11:17] <EriC^^> date
[11:18] <EriC^^> the latest one whatever one it is
[11:18] <ubitqty> how do i do that
[11:18] <ducasse> ubitqty: win 2006 is more recent than win 2001
[11:19] <ubitqty> im confused
[11:19] <ubitqty> which package should i get
[11:19] <EriC^^> ubitqty: what did the sudo strings command give you?
[11:19] <ubitqty> what i told you
[11:20] <ubitqty> https://pst.moe/paste/bmhwdc
[11:21] <EriC^^> ubitqty: ok, type sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[11:22] <EriC^^> in the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" make itGRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=\"Windows 2006\" quiet splash"
[11:23] <ubitqty> ok
[11:23] <ubitqty> done
[11:23] <EriC^^> type sudo update-grub
[11:23] <ubitqty> alright
[11:24] <ubitqty> reboot?
[11:25] <EriC^^> ubitqty: yeah
[11:27] <ubitqty> okay guess i will wait a while
[11:29] <i_and_i> you have 2 computers ?
[11:29] <ubitqty> yeah
[11:29] <i_and_i> :)
[11:29] <journeymangeek> >_>
[11:29] <i_and_i> handy
[11:29] <ubitqty> indeed
[11:29] <journeymangeek> Dosen't everyone? ;p
[11:29] <journeymangeek> (at least)
[11:29] <ubitqty> i just shut it down so i will wait a bit
[11:29] <i_and_i> hehe
[11:29] <i_and_i> nah i just got 1
[11:30] <i_and_i> excluding my old broken ones
[11:32] <faraco> Hi, how to auto-login to a specific user, from GUI?
[11:32] <ubitqty> hmm doesnt seem to help
[11:32] <EriC^^> faraco: settings > user accounts > enable autologin
[11:34] <faraco> EriC^^: I'm using Xubuntu, the enable autologin option is not exist
[11:35] <Haris> how close is linuxmint to ubuntu/debian platform ?
[11:35] <cfhowlett> Haris, ask them
[11:36] <cfhowlett> Haris, it's not ubuntu, not supported or discussed here.
[11:36] <Haris> on ubuntu/debian the OS can be upgraded without much hassle .. in some cases
[11:36] <Haris> on linuxmint, they say, do a fresh full install
[11:36] <multifractal> I need to copy the contents of a file to clipboard. I tried xclip but it says `Error: Can't open display (null)` because I'm working on an AWS instance with no desktop environment. How can I achieve this?
[11:36] <faraco> Haris: #linuxmint
[11:37] <Haris> they are not on freenode iirc
[11:37] <ducasse> !mint | Haris
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !mint | Haris
[11:37] <faraco> you can join the irc.spotchat.org
[11:38] <Haris> yep. they'r there
[11:38] <i_and_i> 404 not found
[11:39] <EriC^^> faraco: make a file sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add these http://paste.ubuntu.com/23603100/
[11:39] <EriC^^> put your username next to autologin-user=
[11:39] <Kingsy> what kernel is 16.10 running?
[11:39] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic | Kingsy
[11:39] <EriC^^> 4.8.0-30
[11:40] <Kingsy> EriC^^: would it be easier in your opinion to upgrade the kernel on 16.04 to latest or jkust upgrade to 16.10 ?
[11:40] <EriC^^> Kingsy: i think it would be wiser to stick with 16.04 and update the kernel there
[11:40] <EriC^^> !mainline | Kingsy
[11:40] <Ben64> Kingsy: yes much easier to do in 16.04. why do you want to though
[11:41] <atralheaven> Hi, How can I get ride of this icon? "http://i.imgur.com/RIOdr2D.png" I did update my system, it didn't fix it
[11:42] <EriC^^> atralheaven: try sudo apt-get -f install; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:42] <SuMJ> I just installed sensors-applet on my freshly installed Ubuntu 16.04 but I can't See the applet
[11:43] <Kingsy> well, I have been experiencing random crashes on my laptop for the past couple of weeks (since I installed ubuntu) the machine is totally unresponsive after crash, not available via ping or ssh. I have tried a persistent journal and with journalctl -p err -n still doesnt show much. I can see a stack trace in dmesg --> http://hastebin.com/iqaraseluq.md <-- which seems to correspond to this bug --> https://bu
[11:43] <Kingsy> gs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94171 <-- which hints on upgrading the kernel to 4.5.0 or newer may fix the issue.
[11:43] <atralheaven> EriC^^: Do I need a reboot after that?
[11:43] <Kingsy> EriC^^: if you were doing this, would you always go latest? so in this case v4.9-rc8/
[11:43] <EriC^^> atralheaven: worth a shot
[11:44] <atralheaven> EriC^^: ok, I will let you know if its fixed, thanks!
[11:44] <EriC^^> atralheaven: what does it say when you click on the restricted logo?
[11:44] <Ben64> Kingsy: since you're on 16.04, you could simply install linux-generic-hwe-16.04
[11:44] <Kingsy> umm what is that?
[11:44] <Kingsy> *googles*
[11:44] <Ben64> Kingsy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[11:45] <Ben64> actually, since 16.10 is still newish, you would need linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[11:45] <SuMJ> Also how do I make sure that everything driver is working correctly?
[11:45] <SuMJ> Every*
[11:45] <atralheaven> EriC^^: its gone! thanks! May I ask what does "dpkg --configure -a" do?
[11:46] <Kingsy> Ben64: literally just sudo apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge <-- and I am done with a new kernel??/
[11:46] <Ben64> Kingsy: should be yes
[11:46] <Kingsy> woah
[11:46] <atralheaven> EriC^^: noooo its back now!
[11:46] <Ben64> Kingsy: welcome to the exciting world of LTS
[11:46] <atralheaven> :|
[11:46] <EriC^^> atralheaven: great! no problem! it configures packages that need configuration still
[11:47] <EriC^^> atralheaven: what does it say when you click on it?
[11:47] <i_and_i> sumj .. did you type sensors in the Terminal ?
[11:47] <atralheaven> EriC^^: non of the menu items of it work, btw
[11:47] <atralheaven> it says it has a problem when it checked for updates
[11:48] <EriC^^> atralheaven: try sudo apt-get update
[11:48] <atralheaven> can I just disable any gui way of updating ubuntu? I always use apt-get, I don't need it
[11:48] <SuMJ> I_and_i yeah it works perfectly , I also did detect-sensors
[11:48] <EriC^^> if it says any errors paste them in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <i_and_i> ok cool
[11:49] <atralheaven> EriC^^: no, everything was fine
[11:49] <EriC^^> atralheaven: ah
[11:49] <Haris> does nm supercede old style network config or is it the other way around
[11:49] <EriC^^> atralheaven: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <atralheaven> I also can't open the "software & updates" program, I get no errors, it just doesn't open
[11:49] <EriC^^> atralheaven: aha
[11:50] <i_and_i> sumj .. "After installation, you can right click on any panel that you want to have sensor information displayed on, and click "Add to Panel..." . In the "Add to Panel" window, there should be a icon with the text "Hardware Sensors Monitor" (You may need to restart before the option appears). Click on this entry, then click "Add". "
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:51] <EriC^^> atralheaven: try opening it from the terminal with the command software-properties-gtk
[11:51] <i_and_i> SOURCE: SensorInstallHowto   ---   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[11:51] <miss4ulove> hi
[11:51] <i_and_i> good day
[11:52] <faraco> Eric^^: thanks! it's worked!
[11:52] <EriC^^> faraco: great! no problem!
[11:53] <SuMJ> I_and_i I can't right click on the top panel
[11:55] <wafflejock> SuMJ, depends on the desktop environment how you can add things to the panels, in gnome here I have an extension for sensors
[11:55] <wafflejock> SuMJ, ah see you said Ubuntu 16.04, assume using Unity?
[11:55] <atralheaven> EriC^^: It opened it, I thought maybe I had a broken repo added, but everything was fine. so what can I do with this icon?
[11:56] <SuMJ> I guess so . The one on the Ubuntu page
[11:57] <EriC^^> atralheaven: did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade finish successfully?
[11:57] <wafflejock> SuMJ, maybe try launching indicator-sensors after installing (from dash or terminal maybe)
[11:57] <atralheaven> EriC^^: can I disable all gui ways for ubuntu to check for updates?
[11:57] <EriC^^> did it do anything at all?
[11:57] <atralheaven> EriC^^: yes
[11:57] <EriC^^> atralheaven: yeah you can, i'm not sure it will remove the icon though
[11:57] <EriC^^> atralheaven: usually any break in apt gives an icon there, not only from the gui updater
[11:57] <Buntunewbie> Hi.  I installed a game (bos wars) from Ubuntu Software.  I have installed it using Ubuntu Software, but it has left some files behind.  How can I remove them all?
[11:58] <atralheaven> EriC^^: how? beside the icon problem, I prefer to update the system myself from terminal, those gui notifications were annoying for me
[11:58] <EriC^^> atralheaven: try dpkg -l | grep -Ev "^rc|^ii"
[11:58] <EriC^^> does it show any packages?
[11:58] <i_and_i> sumj i think it's for GNOME panel
[11:58] <SuMJ> wafflejock , Thank you . I'll try that. Gotta go offline now :(
[11:59] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, in a terminal you can run, sudo apt purge packagename, remove will just get rid of binaries purge will get rid of config too
[11:59] <wafflejock> SuMJ, okay good luck
[11:59] <SuMJ> Thanks y'all bye
[11:59] <i_and_i> run gnome-panel
[11:59] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, what files did it leave around?
[11:59] <i_and_i> bye
[11:59] <EriC^^> atralheaven: ok, in the software properties gui go to Updates > check for software > Never
[12:00] <atralheaven> EriC^^: http://hastebin.com/raw/wulakubodi
[12:00] <blackflow> what kind of network set up do I need if I want LXD managed containers to have private IPv4 that I'll manually nat with iptables, and a public IPv6 directly available on WAN?
[12:01] <EriC^^> atralheaven: that looks ok
[12:01] <Buntunewbie> waffejock I have tried that, but it still leaves 2 deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives and a png behind.
[12:01] <blackflow> looks to me that if I bridge enp3s0 (physical nic) with lxdbr0 I can achieve the public ipv6 part, but then the ipv4 (say 10.0.0.0/24 range) would also be available to WAN on that bridge...
[12:02] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, hmm maybe need to apt-cache clean or something like that for the deb files it downloaded to install strange with the PNG
[12:02] <blackflow> on freebsd, we only need two NICs, public and a lo clone. the jails (containers) attach to a lo private ipv4 and to a public ipv6 ipaddr. is that possible on linux?
[12:02] <Buntunewbie> waffejock: sudo apt-cache clean ?
[12:03] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, believe so would do a bit of looking up on that though I'm not 100% on that command http://askubuntu.com/questions/144222/how-do-apt-get-clean-and-apt-get-clean-all-differ
[12:03] <atralheaven> EriC^^: its on Never
[12:03] <atralheaven> EriC^^: What do you think about the icon problem?
[12:05] <EriC^^> atralheaven: does clicking on it say any errors?
[12:06] <EriC^^> atralheaven: i'm out of ideas honestly
[12:07] <Buntunewbie> wafflejock: that removed the .deb files (thank you), just left with the png
[12:07] <avoider> can grub somehow make my computer not boot from a usb ? trying to install windows but it refuses to boot the usb , im currently using xubuntu 16.10
[12:08] <EriC^^> avoider: no, it can't
[12:08] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, yeah can just delete it manually but not sure why the program wouldn't clean up that one file maybe can see if there's an issue for the package maintainer assuming it's a PNG the game installed it should remove it
[12:08] <EriC^^> avoider: how did you make the windows usb?
[12:08] <avoider> using dd and other linux apps
[12:08] <Buntunewbie> wafflejock Ubuntu will not let me delete it.
[12:08] <EriC^^> avoider: dd won't work with windows, is it a uefi machine?
[12:08] <avoider> yes
[12:09] <avoider> Can you please help me, i been at this for 6 hours
[12:09] <EriC^^> avoider: you can create a fat32 partition and copy the iso contents into that partition and that would boot
[12:09] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, you try with sudo rm thefilepathhere, that should be able to delete anything basically, before doing that can do, ls -al thefilepathhere, to see the permissions on it
[12:09] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, type sudo apt-get install pastebinit if it's not installed
[12:10] <EriC^^> then sudo parted -l | pastebinit ( with the usb plugged in )
[12:10] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[12:11] <apqbtis> kloeri  aka Bryan Ostergaard is a known pedophile and child abuser.  Please report any contact to ircgangste.rs #tclmafia
[12:11] <NAY> hola
[12:11] <ducasse> !ops | apqbtis
[12:11] <apqbtis> !ops | kloeri  aka Bryan Ostergaard is a known pedophile and child abuser.  Please report any contact to ircgangste.rs #tclmafia
[12:11] <avoider> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23603183/
[12:12] <NAY> hola
[12:12] <cfhowlett> !es | NAY
[12:12] <avoider> i already did that i used gparted to make a fat32 partition and flagged it as boot and copied over iso content
[12:12] <Buntunewbie> wafflejock:  lol lol lol.  Just found out what the problem was.  It is a icon file, stored in the yakkety univers folder....along with icons for lots of other software that I have not installed.
[12:12] <avoider> I also tried winusb
[12:12] <EriC^^> avoider: is the usb plugged in?
[12:12] <NAY> hello
[12:12] <avoider> yes
[12:12] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu questions NAY
[12:13] <EriC^^> avoider: try to unplug it and plug it back in then re-run the command
[12:13] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, ah okay maybe cached images for the software center or the like
[12:13] <avoider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23603188/
[12:14] <EriC^^> avoider: does "dmesg | tail" show it being found?
[12:14] <Buntunewbie> wafflejock, yeah I think so.  Thank you for your help, greatly appreciate it. :-)
[12:14] <avoider> yes
[12:14] <avoider> it does.
[12:15] <EriC^^> avoider: try "lsblk" does it show it there?
[12:15] <wafflejock> Buntunewbie, no prob
[12:15] <avoider> yes
[12:15] <avoider> it shows there ttoo.
[12:16] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, get the name of it e.g sdb or sdc and type sudo gdisk /dev/sdc
[12:17] <NAY> HELLO
[12:18] <avoider> http://pastebin.com/aRrVkTXZ
[12:18] <ducasse> !ask | NAY
[12:18] <cfhowlett> NAY, enough.  we see you.  now ask your ubuntu questions.
[12:19] <EriC^^> avoider: press ctrl+c , then type sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[12:19] <EriC^^> then type sudo gdisk /dev/sdb   (not /dev/sdb1)
[12:19] <whytrytofly> hi
[12:20] <whytrytofly> how can i add my monitors undetected resolution
[12:20] <whytrytofly> coming from arch, not knowing how to do that in ubuntu
[12:20] <EriC^^> whytrytofly: type "xrandr -q" is it there?
[12:21] <mcphail> whytrytofly: I was going to link you to the Arch Wiki ;) - I've always used that for setting resolution in Ubuntu
[12:21] <avoider> http://pastebin.com/veVKn4zS
[12:21] <whytrytofly> EriC^^: the resolution is wrong, but the monitor is detected
[12:21] <whytrytofly> mcphail: oh that sounds nice
[12:21] <ducasse> whytrytofly: it's exactly the same approach
[12:21] <whytrytofly> so /etc/xorg.conf/... is kept
[12:21] <whytrytofly> the structure i mean
[12:21] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, press "o" then enter
[12:21] <whytrytofly> because xrandr only solves temporarilly
[12:22] <ducasse> whytrytofly: put a snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[12:22] <hggdh> ap
[12:22] <whytrytofly> ducasse: alright then! nice
[12:22] <avoider> This option deletes all partitions and creates a new protective MBR.
[12:22] <avoider> Proceed? (Y/N):
[12:22] <EriC^^> avoider: yes
[12:22] <avoider> says command ? for help now
[12:23] <EriC^^> avoider: press "w"
[12:23] <mcphail> whytrytofly: I've always followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions but set the res with a script rather than modifying anything xorg related
[12:23] <avoider> do i want to proceed yes or no?
[12:23] <EriC^^> avoider: yes
[12:24] <avoider> operation completed successfully
[12:24] <avoider> what it said
[12:24] <whytrytofly> mcphail: okay, could do that, but with xorg the dm also gets proper resolutions
[12:24] <whytrytofly> there is no xorg.conf.d
[12:24] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, press "q" to quit
[12:24] <avoider> ok
[12:24] <avoider> it did it on its own
[12:24] <ducasse> whytrytofly: should be in /etc/X11
[12:25] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, type sudo cgdisk /dev/sdb
[12:25] <whytrytofly> ducasse: but isnt :P
[12:25] <avoider> ok
[12:25] <avoider> it opened something werid
[12:25] <ducasse> whytrytofly: which version are you on?
[12:25] <whytrytofly> ducasse: i just installed my frst ubuntu 16.04 i guess
[12:26] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, press on New
[12:26] <whytrytofly> yes 16.03
[12:26] <whytrytofly> 04
[12:26] <avoider> ok
[12:26] <whytrytofly> but im updating
[12:26] <whytrytofly> maybe its gonna be added
[12:26] <whytrytofly> didnt update on installation
[12:26] <avoider> i pressed new.
[12:27] <EriC^^> avoider: when it asks for Starting Sector, press enter, then for Size also press Enter, when it reaches the partition type hex code, press 0700
[12:28] <avoider> enter to use current name?
[12:28] <EriC^^> avoider: yes
[12:28] <avoider> okay
[12:28] <avoider> did it
[12:28] <EriC^^> ok cool
[12:29] <EriC^^> write the changes and exit
[12:29] <avoider> said i need to reboot to use something new
[12:29] <avoider> and brought me back to where its said new
[12:29] <avoider> again
[12:29] <EriC^^> avoider: type sudo partprobe
[12:30] <EriC^^> quit
[12:30] <avoider> im still by the new
[12:30] <avoider> ok
[12:30] <mcphail> whytrytofly: on Ubuntu it is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[12:30] <avoider> i got a error
[12:31] <whytrytofly> mcphail: thanks
[12:31] <avoider> http://pastebin.com/vmW3JVKt
[12:32] <EriC^^> avoider: try "lsblk"
[12:33] <avoider> okay
[12:33] <avoider> do you want me to paste the output?
[12:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:34] <avoider> http://pastebin.com/N0NhSsXf
[12:34] <EriC^^> avoider: type sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[12:34] <avoider> ok
[12:35] <avoider> i typed it in
[12:35] <EriC^^> try sudo partprobe again
[12:35] <avoider> did post anything
[12:35] <avoider> Rather output anything.
[12:35] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, great
[12:36] <EriC^^> now to make the filesystem
[12:36] <EriC^^> type sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdb1
[12:37] <avoider> okay typed it in
[12:37] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, try mounting it, sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[12:37] <avoider> no output
[12:38] <EriC^^> avoider: great
[12:38] <EriC^^> avoider: type sudo mount /path/to/windows/iso/here /cdrom
[12:39] <avoider> mount: special device /path/to/windows/iso/here does not exist
[12:39] <EriC^^> avoider: you have to put the path to the iso there
[12:40] <avoider> yes sorry sec
[12:40] <avoider> mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[12:41] <EriC^^> avoider: ok, now to copy the files, sudo rsync -av /cdrom/ /mnt
[12:41] <EriC^^> the trailing / after /cdrom is very important avoider
[12:41] <avoider> is scrolling
[12:42] <EriC^^> ok
[12:42] <avoider> like a bunch of stuff
[12:42] <EriC^^> yup, should be a while
[12:42] <EriC^^> oh no
[12:43] <avoider> ?
[12:43] <EriC^^> i just imagined something, and looked and it was true
[12:43] <whytrytofly> hello
[12:43] <EriC^^> your install isn't in uefi mode, unless you meant you plan to install it that way?
[12:43] <avoider> That dont sound good.
[12:43] <whytrytofly> how can i unbind the win (sup) key from starting the dash
[12:43] <EriC^^> do you plan to install windows and wipe ubuntu?
[12:43] <avoider> yes
[12:44] <EriC^^> ok, cool, when you restart the pc, go to the bios and select uefi mode enabled ( or csm legacy disabled )
[12:44] <EriC^^> then boot the usb
[12:44] <avoider> so put in uefi mode?
[12:45] <EriC^^> yes
[12:45] <avoider> ok
[12:45] <avoider> After this step EriC^^ ?
[12:45] <EriC^^> avoider: in the installer let it create a fresh partition table on the hdd, it's msdos right now windows needs gpt
[12:46] <whytrytofly> :P
[12:46] <whytrytofly> too lazy to read the wiki?
[12:47] <Mathisen> EriC^^, he is installing win7 = dont like gpt or uefi
[12:47] <avoider> so when i get to the setup just delet everything and click new and format before i install?
[12:47] <EriC^^> Mathisen: who said win7?
[12:48] <Mathisen> well i tried to help him earlier and failed
[12:48] <EriC^^> oh well
[12:49] <EriC^^> avoider: what happened when you tried winusb?
[12:49] <avoider> Nothing said same error on boot like   no boot device
[12:49] <whytrytofly> how can i unbind the win (sup) key from starting the dash
[12:50] <EriC^^> whytrytofly: settings > keyboard
[12:50] <whytrytofly> and then?
[12:50] <whytrytofly> cannot find it
[12:50] <avoider> Eric^^ i been at this since 9pm its 8am now.... basically any linux os will boot not windows.
[12:50] <avoider> Thats all i know.
[12:51] <EriC^^> avoider: why are you installing win7?
[12:51] <EriC^^> there's already a ntfs partition there does it already have windows?
[12:51] <avoider> no
[12:51] <whytrytofly> EriC^^: there is no dash!!!
[12:52] <avoider> i tried to follow a tut were it said put the live ubuntu disk in
[12:52] <avoider> and make enough space for windows7 or sometihng
[12:52] <avoider> resize and then the windows usb should allow it to boot
[12:52] <avoider> but it didnt work
[12:53] <EriC^^> did winusb say anything any warnings etc?
[12:53] <whytrytofly> avoider: is the problem the partitioning or the installation?
[12:53] <avoider> i really don't know the issue
[12:53] <avoider> Im just trying to get windows back on my laptop
[12:53] <whytrytofly> where are you stuck at
[12:54] <avoider> windows usb wont boot
[12:54] <avoider> but any other linux distro will
[12:54] <whytrytofly> aha
[12:54] <whytrytofly> did you try dd?
[12:55] <avoider> yea
[12:55] <EriC^^> avoider: would you consider installing win10 uefi?
[12:55] <whytrytofly> is the devices listed as bootable
[12:55] <Mathisen> i tried to help avoider earlier what we did was 1. dd = failed 2. made fat32 partition and copy iso content failed with " invaild partition table " 3. winusb = failed booted but halts just with blinking cursor
[12:56] <EriC^^> avoider: does the iso have any efi dir in it?
[12:56] <avoider> i would consider anything to get windows back.
[12:56] <avoider> yes it does
[12:56] <EriC^^> avoider: try ls /cdrom and paste the results
[12:56] <whytrytofly> Mathisen: thanks for that, saves time
[12:56] <EriC^^> it does?
[12:56] <avoider> yes
[12:56] <EriC^^> nice
[12:56] <EriC^^> ok, try setting the bios in uefi mode and boot the usb
[12:56] <avoider> so you want me to stop the current task you have me doing?
[12:57] <EriC^^> avoider: no, we're continuing it
[12:57] <avoider> okay
[12:57] <EriC^^> is rsync still copying?
[12:57] <avoider> i see the usb light flashing and the terminal kinda looks hung
[12:58] <avoider> its been at the same spot for a moment
[12:58] <EriC^^> it might be copying a big file
[12:58] <avoider> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1183) [sender=3.1.1]
[12:58] <avoider> what it said to me
[12:58] <EriC^^> that's fine
[12:58] <EriC^^> ok, give it a shot
[12:59] <avoider> okay reboot?
[12:59] <EriC^^> yup
[12:59] <avoider> ok brb
[12:59] <EriC^^> remember to set uefi mode on
[12:59] <EriC^^> and csm legacy off
[12:59] <avoider> ok
[13:00] <JP___> hello
[13:00] <JP___> I am looking for an room refrence
[13:00] <JP___> Can anyone help?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> !ask | JP___
[13:00] <EriC^^> what topic?
[13:01] <JP___> lol @ ubottu
[13:01] <JP___> Iḿ looking for a tool to generate documents with variables in certain places, fully automated
[13:01] <JP___> programming language is not important
[13:02] <EriC^^> gui?
[13:02] <JP___> if i could integrate it into qt would be great
[13:03] <JP___> but i'll take anything
[13:03] <avoider> Invaild partition table.
[13:03] <EriC^^> avoider: did you set uefi mode on?
[13:03] <avoider> yes
[13:04] <EriC^^> are you sure?
[13:04] <avoider> im sure
[13:04] <EriC^^> xubuntu shouldn't boot without undoing the changes
[13:04] <avoider> it didnt
[13:04] <EriC^^> ok
[13:05] <avoider> i had to switch it back
[13:05] <avoider> in the files it says  bootmgr.efi
[13:05] <ubitqty> EriC^^, is grub_cmdline_linux_default="acpi_osi=! quet splash" a valid entry?
[13:05] <EriC^^> in the efi folder?
[13:05] <ubitqty> *quiet
[13:05] <avoider> in the usb we created
[13:05] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:06] <avoider> the image works on virtual machine
[13:06] <avoider> so  i know the image is good.
[13:06] <EriC^^> avoider: in legacy mode?
[13:07] <avoider> yeah i think w.e the defualt is for  Virtual box
[13:07] <EriC^^> ubitqty: 1 sec
[13:07] <EriC^^> i've no idea what that does, there's something about it here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160152
[13:08] <ubitqty> apparently that stops the fan from working all the time
[13:09] <EriC^^> that's not good
[13:09] <EriC^^> any other stuff that can be put?
[13:10] <EriC^^> maybe acpi_osi=Linux would work
[13:10] <JP___> Eric^^ did you forget about my question ? :)
[13:10] <EriC^^> avoider: i wonder how virtualbox boots it
[13:11] <ubitqty> let me try
[13:11] <EriC^^> JP___: no, i don't know the answer though :)
[13:11] <avoider> EriC^^ is something ubuntu causing it not to boot?
[13:12] <EriC^^> try to ask in ##linux they might know of a program that does it
[13:12] <EriC^^> JP___: ^
[13:12] <EriC^^> avoider: no it's nothing like that
[13:12] <JP___> I cant seem to get into ##linux
[13:13] <ducasse> !register | JP___
[13:13] <avoider> hmm
[13:13] <EriC^^> avoider: maybe give winusb another go?
[13:13] <JP___> !register
[13:13] <BluesKaj-pi> JP___, think you question is more suited to the ##linux chat, try there, but make sure your nick is registered
[13:13] <avoider> okay
[13:14] <avoider> Eric^^ should i download a diff image for giggles?
[13:14] <EriC^^> avoider: there is one idea that comes to mind, testdisk can write bootable sectors for windows, maybe that can be used to make the usb bootable, maybe if all else fails as a last resort
[13:14] <ducasse> JP___: also, the LaTeX crowd may have suggestions
[13:14] <avoider> like windows 10?
[13:14] <JP___> thnx
[13:14] <EriC^^> avoider: it wouldn't hurt i guess
[13:14] <avoider> ok
[13:15] <ubitqty> is it a good idea to install i8kutils which is for dell laptops despite not having a dell laptop?
[13:17] <justin_> l
[13:18] <EriC^^> ubitqty: it won't work i thik
[13:18] <EriC^^> *think
[13:18] <ubitqty> yeah i guess
[13:19] <EriC^^> ubitqty: i guess you already tried the "fancontrol" program right?
[13:19] <ubitqty> i believe that gave me some efi error
[13:19] <RealNasirMalik> Hey, everyone.
[13:20] <RealNasirMalik> Is there a IRC channel for programmers?
[13:20] <EriC^^> RealNasirMalik: #programming
[13:20] <RealNasirMalik> Thanks buddy.
[13:21] <atralheaven> EriC^^: ok thanks :)
[13:21] <EriC^^> atralheaven: no problem :)
[13:23] <Kingsy> Ben64: still about?
[13:24] <Kingsy> or anyone for that matter, I got Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.8.0-30-generic (x86_64) <-- when running sudo apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[13:25] <Kingsy> its referring to /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/5.0.24/build/make.log I guess the vbox drivers need to be reinstalled?
[13:29] <EriC^^> Kingsy: did you install the headers?
[13:30] <Kingsy> EriC^^: ah, rephrase I am getting this when starting vbox --> Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate
[13:31] <Kingsy> EriC^^: wouldnt that linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge install give me the headers automatically ?
[13:31] <EriC^^> Kingsy: it should
[13:31] <Kingsy> ok, so I guess I need the corresponding virtualbox-dkms
[13:31] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:32] <Kingsy> I wonder how I can get them for the edge kernel
[13:32] <EriC^^> it's same package i think
[13:32] <EriC^^> *the same
[13:32] <Kingsy> hrm doesnt look like it --> virtualbox-dkms is already the newest version (5.0.24-dfsg-0ubuntu1.16.04.1).
[13:33] <EriC^^> try to reinstall it with sudo apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms
[13:33] <ducasse> Kingsy: the virtualbox package might not be updated yet to work with the hwe kernel
[13:34] <Southern_Gentlem> what kernel
[13:34] <Kingsy> ducasse: perhaps I should just do a dist upgrade...
[13:34] <Kingsy> 4.8.0-30-generic
[13:34] <Southern_Gentlem> i am running vbox on 4.8.12 kernel
[13:34] <Southern_Gentlem> 5.1.10 version
[13:34] <Kingsy> Southern_Gentlem: are you running hwe?
[13:35] <ducasse> Kingsy: he is not using the ubuntu packaged vbox
[13:35] <Kingsy> ah right
[13:36] <Kingsy> I am experiencign some strange issues here anyway.. my xfce4 terminal is switch tabs by itself.. heh
[13:36] <Kingsy> or at least it was before.
[13:37] <Kingsy> ducasse: you had much luck with dist-upgrade? without reinstalling?
[13:38] <ducasse> Kingsy: dist-upgrade is not for upgrading to a later release on ubuntu, do-release-upgrade is ussed for that. but yes.
[13:38] <Kingsy> sorry thats what I meant.
[13:38] <Kingsy> I am going to try that now.. this is too unstable.
[13:38] <ducasse> Kingsy: it depends on whether you have many ppas.
[13:38] <Kingsy> everytime I press a key on my keyboard its unselecting the window, then reselecting it
[13:39] <Kingsy> ducasse: just a couple.. spotify.. docker.. I think thats it
[13:40] <ducasse> Kingsy: i doubt spotify at least would cause issues, but i would purge both anyway and readd them later
[13:40] <Kingsy> ok
[13:40] <Kingsy> brb
[13:41] <Kingsy> ducasse: it says --> No new release found
[13:41] <Kingsy> do I need to uninstalle hwe ?
[13:42] <Kingsy> or do I need the -d switch to upgrade to .10 ?
[13:42] <ducasse> Kingsy: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, change Prompt to normal
[13:44] <ducasse> Kingsy: you could also try the package from the vbox site instead of upgrading
[13:45] <Kingsy> ducasse: thats ok, I am curious
[13:45] <Kingsy> ducasse: this wont install any programs I don't have installed right? I started with ubuntu minimal so I want to keep it that way :)
[13:46] <Kingsy> that kinda sounds like a stupid question... now that I have asked it :P
[13:46] <ducasse> Kingsy: it will just upgrade packages, but will install any new dependencies (if there are any)
[13:47] <Kingsy> ducasse: do I need to uninstall hwe afterwards?
[13:47] <ducasse> Kingsy: i'd do it first, but i don't think it would be a problem
[14:01] <Kingsy> ducasse: worked a treat
[14:01] <ducasse> Kingsy: great :)
[14:02] <iPhone7Plus> Hello. I need help to transer music from Ubuntu to iPhone 7 (iOS 10.1.1), I tried with Rhythmbox but it fails to detect my phone. Help pls.
[14:05] <iPhone7Plus> hello?
[14:05] <brunch875> I'm on a Trusty Tahr (14.04) without sudo access and I want to change my tty's keyboard layout to us(altgr-intl). Is there any way I can do this? loadkeys us needs sudo
[14:06] <OerHeks> iPhone7Plus, the wiki says banshee is a better app > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[14:07] <ducasse> brunch875: i don't think so, not that i can think of at least
[14:07] <howarth>  The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/detly/mactel-utils/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
[14:07] <ducasse> howarth: talk to the maintainer
[14:08] <OerHeks> howarth, that is correct, no yakkety packages https://launchpad.net/~detly/+archive/ubuntu/mactel-utils
[14:08] <OerHeks> i thought fancontrol was in our packages now.. no need for that ppa
[14:16] <puffinz> Climbin through your ports, injectin yo packets up. Found a possible inject bug in mpv.
[14:18] <OerHeks> puffinz, file a bugreport, make sure youy select security, else anyone could read it.
[14:18] <OerHeks> !bug
[14:21] <AsymmetricalFace> puffinz, hi!
[14:21] <AsymmetricalFace> ducasse, hi!
[14:42] <iPhone7Plus> OerHeks: i just tried with banshee and clementine but none of them can detect my phone. any clue?
[14:43] <OerHeks> iPhone7Plus, nope, maybe someone else here has a clue?
[14:43] <ducasse> iPhone7Plus: which ubuntu version?
[14:44] <iPhone7Plus> ducasse: 16.04.1
[14:44] <ducasse> iPhone7Plus: your libmobiledevice might not support that ios version, apple does not make it easy.
[14:47] <i_and_i> OerHeks.. nice name
[14:57] <blueskies> anyone had much success with citrix on 16.04
[14:57] <blueskies> citrix receiver* that is
[14:58] <MazetteBot> Im
[14:58] <OerHeks> blueskies, there is a wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo
[14:59] <blueskies> im getting this error "Error adding store:Email address lookup failed (either missing "dig" or no entry exists)[65275]
[14:59] <blueskies> "
[15:00] <maddawg2> so here's a question... i've been using the Live USB that I add tools to everytime I boot.. is there a way to create a custom live USB of ubuntu that already has the tools on it i want to use
[15:01] <maddawg2> i've just been using the "try ubuntu" option from the installer
[15:01] <maddawg2> then i install what i need, but everytime I shutdown it doesnt save that stuff (obviously)
[15:01] <blueskies> yes, but might be better off just having a script to load the tools
[15:01] <maddawg2> oh?
[15:01] <maddawg2> booo
[15:01] <MazetteBot> Im
[15:02] <ducasse> MazetteBot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[15:02] <ducasse> maddawg2: ^^
[15:02] <OerHeks> !uck
[15:02] <maddawg2> ooo
[15:02] <maddawg2> thanks guys
[15:02] <maddawg2> i'll check that out
[15:02] <ineedhelpp> I have a problem with Matlab using ubunto MATE, it didn't happen with the offical version. I can't use any graphical option because of openGL errors. it does work if i use software openGL, but not hardware. I also get "possible missing firmware i915" errors
[15:02] <maddawg2> the persisitent one looks like what i want
[15:03] <OerHeks> oh, uck is discontinued https://launchpad.net/uck
[15:03] <ineedhelpp> i tried to change kernel, i'm using 4.9 rc8 now
[15:04] <maddawg2> OerHeks, uck
[15:04] <maddawg2> that stinks
[15:05] <maddawg2> i'm gonna create an OCS inventory at work... me thinks
[15:09] <mehmet_> why ı can't see my usp on the pc
[15:11] <mehmet_> i can't see my flashdisk some one help me
[15:12] <nicomachus> mehmet_: lsusb
[15:14] <Lorne2016> Good morning!  I need some serious help with a machine that won't start... :(
[15:16] <Lorne2016> quick history:  Yesterday my 16.04 machine needed a reboot (updates)...but upon reboot, it got to the login screen, after typing password, the screen went black for about 60 secs. then goes back to login screen...  ctrl-alt f1 only gave me black screen...no grub....
[15:17] <mehmet_> nicomachus "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0930:6545 Toshiba Corp. Kingston DataTraveler 102/2.0 / HEMA Flash Drive 2 GB / PNY Attache 4GB Stick
[15:17] <mehmet_> " now whats next
[15:17] <nicomachus> mehmet_: cd /media && ls
[15:17] <Lorne2016> after working with EriC^^ yesterday, I tried a bunch of things working on the graphics driver (NVIDIA card)...eventually I tried installing 16.10...which failed...then I went back to 16.04...and NOW I can see the GRUB when I boot...but nothing else
[15:18] <mehmet_> nicomachus "apt  mehmet
[15:18] <mehmet_> "
[15:18] <nicomachus> mehmet_: cd mehmet && ls
[15:19] <mehmet_> nicomachus ow ı remember i installed my pc ubuntu now
[15:20] <mehmet_> nicomachus so now i can just format disc on the ubuntu apps
[15:22] <Kriptari1m> clear
[15:22] <Lorne2016> Need someone to help walk me thru Recovery...borked my machine yesterday
[15:25] <ilhami> hey.
[15:26] <Lorne2016> Need someone to help walk me thru Recovery...borked my machine yesterday
[15:26] <ducasse> !patience | Lorne2016
[15:28] <nicomachus> !recovery | Lorne2016
[15:28] <ducasse> !nomodeset | Lorne2016 or this:
[15:29] <axisys> what bot software is this? I am exploring bots for a private irc channel
[15:29] <Lorne2016> nicomachus thx  I'm thru Recovery into Emergency mode now.... dropped into shell (!finally!)... waiting for someone to help me restore/repair it
[15:29] <Pici> !botclone | axisys
[15:30] <axisys> Pici: thank you
[15:38] <Firefly67> once I partition a disk, is it irreversible? or can it be un-partitioned and re-partitioned?
[15:39] <genii> Firefly67: There's no limit on that
[15:40] <Firefly67> ok, I see
[15:48] <DerAlfe> So. I have a brand new laptop and want to install ubuntu. But i cant boot it. After the 4 dots run through i got the "error-sound" and nothing more happens.
[15:49] <DerAlfe> I'll reload the image, check integrity and dd it to an usb-stick and try again. would be nice if someone could help on this issue
[15:52] <ducasse> DerAlfe: iirc there should be a "check medium" option when you boot the image, try that
[15:54] <mathayus> I am trying to deploy my django app on heroku but when run the command "git push heroku master" there is always the same error -> "Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement adium-theme-ubuntu==0.3.4". Can anyone help me with this?
[15:55] <checkers> someone told me there is a keyboard command (combo of keystrokes) that will put my ubuntu machine in an all command line (no desktop).
[15:55] <checkers> does anyone know what this key stroke is?
[15:56] <checkers> im having trouble googling for it
[15:56] <ducasse> C4L: ctrl+alt+f1..f6
[15:56] <sudoreboot> ctrl+alt+F1-F7 keys
[16:06] <DerAlfe> So. I just run the checks and will now reboot
[16:08] <DerAlfe> The 5 Dots are running through, the screen flickers black a few times and it, it freezes for a short time when the 5 dots are filled and i got the error sound.
[16:09] <DerAlfe> in short: I'm unable to install Ubuntu
[16:09] <DerAlfe> I can't even see the error message
[16:13] <wabbits> what version of linphone comes with the latest Ubuntu?
[16:13] <ducasse> !info linphone
[16:14] <wabbits> thanks ducasse
[16:14] <krambiorix> hi, I have 2 files, A and B with xml . I want to check if all lines in A are also existing in file B. The order doesn't matter... How can i do that?
[16:17] <Pici> krambiorix: if you don't care about order, then sort both files, then run diff on them.
[16:19] <pavlos> krambiorix, man comm, comm compares 2 sorted files line by line
[16:21] <krambiorix> Pici, there is also binary data in it
[16:22] <krambiorix> but let's try
[16:23] <krambiorix> hmm, some probs with xml
[16:26] <wabbits> there is xmldiff
[16:30] <GrandPa-G> how do you set up a cron entry to start 10 minutes from the time cron service is started?
[16:31] <krzee> modify the service start script?
[16:33] <GrandPa-G> krzee: this needs to be done automatically. are you saying have a script rewrite the crontab entry somehow?
[16:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:34] <krzee> GrandPa-G: im saying thats not how cron works, but since you start cron via a script, you can mod that script to do something 10min after starting cron
[16:34] <estranger> father time knows not when father time starts
[16:34] <pavlos> GrandPa-G, sleep 10m
[16:35] <GrandPa-G> I want the interval to still be 10 minutes, just starting at whenever the cron starts.
[16:36] <GrandPa-G> I have another process that starts at boot and needs to be checked every 10 mins and do something if it didn't start and is not still running.
[16:36] <ducasse> GrandPa-G: cron can't do that directly
[16:36] <GrandPa-G> if cron checks on the 10 min mark, then it make look before the process actually got going.
[16:37] <GrandPa-G> ^may look
[16:37] <krzee> ok well thats different, now you are just making a botchk
[16:38] <krzee> have the process save its pidfile, then have the crontab entry check the pidfile to see if the pid is valid
[16:38] <krzee> if not, start the process (which saves its pidfile)
[16:38] <GrandPa-G> that is similar to what I do, just use a socket connection as the indicator. But still the timing for the check may come to soon.
[16:39] <GrandPa-G> I might just write a new process to start at boot, then have it sleep for 10 mins and do the check again. I was just being lazy to use cron.
[16:39] <krzee> thats what cron is!
[16:39] <krzee> lol
[16:41] <MibixFox> I am coming from windows and 3 of my disks are getting an error in gparted ""Can't h ave partition outside disk" and i cant mount them
[16:41] <MibixFox> google isnt really showing me an easy fix
[16:42] <pavlos> GrandPa-G, /etc/crontab shows that scripts in cron.hourly/ run every 17 minutes on the hour. You can put your script in cron.hourly/ to check that pid
[16:43] <pavlos> GrandPa-G, to phrase it better, they run every hour on the 17th min
[16:45] <Firefly67> I am looking at buying a Seagate hard drive, it says it supports Windows - so can I not use it to save data off my Ubuntu laptop?
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, an external hard disk?
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, those should work fine with any OS that can run on a PC that well supports usb as well of course
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, only some hardware mentions Linux in the secs or on the box
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> specs above
[16:48] <Firefly67> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TKFEEAS - I was looking at this - says it has to be Windows
[16:48] <Firefly67> yes, external hard disk
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seagate is a common brand
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  Hae had seagate before
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> apparantly it's not that great though
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seagate
[16:50] <ducasse> Firefly67: "This is normal USB technology and is therefore compatible with anything that has a USB port."
[16:50] <ducasse> Firefly67: from the q&a section
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if they provide some backup and such software,  yes that only be Windows
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but the drive itself should work fine with Linux as well
[16:51] <rskumar> ubuntu 16.04 freezes while working, or while resuming, or while plugging power cable off laptop.. What and where to look for fix?
[16:52] <Southern_Gentlem> imho i perfer WD to seagate
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, also I notice no  mention of Windows 10 on the Amazon page, but I guess it's been on thee a long time so
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if in doubt you could look for another dive, but no many pages for external dives will mention Linux anyway
[16:53] <Firefly67> hmm yes
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, bingo what Southern_Gentlem  I forgot a name of a company, bus yes apparantly western digial is meant to be quite a bit better
[16:54] <Firefly67> ok, and the Q&A question is about Mac though, not linux
[16:54] <ikonia> you'll find that when a drive says "needs windows" it's normally the included software they ship with it for backup or encyption functions
[16:54] <ikonia> which no-one ever uses anyway
[16:54] <Firefly67> ok
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, yep that's basicall what i put,  what ikonia just put
[16:55] <rskumar> how do I update my ubuntu ?
[16:55] <ikonia> open the update tool
[16:55] <Firefly67> I have never owned an external hard drive before - is it not just like an usb drive, where you can drag and drop folders?
[16:55] <rskumar> nice
[16:55] <ikonia> or use the package manager rskumar
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, yep basically
[16:55] <Firefly67> or do you have something more for external fard drives compared to usb drives?
[16:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, sometimes they get some software pre loaded onto them for Windows though, but same for usb sticks
[16:56] <rskumar> if I ask a crap or easy question, ppl jump to help.. when i am in real trouble with this stupid freezing problem, none of guys here gave me a pointer.. been asking for around 3 weeks now..
[16:56] <yenclgj5nlw> Hi all. Does anyon know how can I get clang 4 securely?
[16:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, it's mostly like having a internal hard disk like inside your compute, except it's not, it's in a case and connected via usb
[16:56] <ikonia> rskumar: people will help if they have time and knowledge to help
[16:57] <Firefly67> rskumar, people answer when they know the answer. Maybe they don't know. It's a help channel and people help voluntarily, no one is entitled to instant answers
[16:57] <ikonia> rskumar: it's a free service people of all ability and free time offer back to the community
[16:57] <thatOtherGuy__> Hi all. Is it possible to remove the English locales other than en_US.utf8 and prevent them from being regenerated? I don't need en_AG, en_AU, en_BW, etc. etc. on my machine.
[16:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you could even partition it like a interal hard disk, but most people woudn't do that, an external hard disk is intended for backing up data, not for running operating ssystems from it, but that can be done even
[16:57] <rskumar> isnt this officially endorsed ubuntu channel.. where I am supposed to get help from experienced people
[16:57] <MibixFox> I am coming from windows and 3 of my disks are getting an error in gparted ""Can't h ave partition outside disk" and i cant mount them
[16:57] <ikonia> rskumar: there are very experienced people here
[16:57] <ikonia> rskumar: and it's the official channel staffed by the ubuntu community
[16:58] <ikonia> rskumar: you can also take out paid support contracts from canonical direct
[16:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rskumar, this is the channel where you get volunteer community suppot
[16:58] <rskumar> so if no one willing to help, should i ask this in fedora..
[16:58] <rskumar> i volunteer whenever I can
[16:58] <ikonia> rskumar: people in fedora won't help you with ubuntu
[16:58] <Firefly67> with that attitude maybe no one will want to help in fedora either
[16:58] <rskumar> but this problem, i cannot handle, where should I ask ?
[16:59] <MibixFox> forums?
[16:59] <ikonia> rskumar: here or take out a support contract
[16:59] <rskumar> for 3 weeks I didnt get any response,
[16:59] <rangemonger> has anyone successfully gotten xen going on 16.10?
[16:59] <MadPsy> rskumar, you have given zero information on your 'freezing' problem apart from some trivial facts.
[16:59] <ikonia> rskumar: I've never seen you ask, there are 1500+ people coming and going
[16:59] <ducasse> rskumar: tbh, i haven't seen you ask before, and i'm usually here every day
[16:59] <rangemonger> every time i launch virtman, it get errors
[16:59] <rangemonger> nothing ive found online works
[16:59]  * tgm4883 doesn't even know what rskumar's issue is
[16:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rskumar, you can't expect support, bang just  like that for any issue
[16:59] <ikonia> rangemonger: you'll need to provide details, but it feels to me like Xen is dying
[16:59] <Firefly67> tgm4883, freezing with ubuntu 16
[16:59] <pavlos> he wrote, he wants to update ubuntu
[17:00] <rskumar> ikonia: check user ra21vi , and few temporary users created on live cd
[17:00] <MibixFox> lol does anyone know how to fix these "partition outside disk issues"
[17:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rskumar, depends on who is aound at the time, and the issue
[17:00] <tgm4883> Firefly67: run the thaw command
[17:00] <ikonia> rskumar: why dont you just ask for help
[17:00] <Firefly67> tgm4883, not my issue, rskumar's
[17:00] <ikonia> tgm4883: cheeky
[17:00] <Southern_Gentlem> rskumar,  have you looked at any of the logs for errors like xorg
[17:01] <zulrax> hey i'm facing a problem with my new setup apache server. whenever i type my domain name or ip adress i get to a site that says "Index of /" and there my folders are listed such as wordpress and phpmyadmin, thing is i would like the domain to point straight to the wordpress site, would be very grateful if someone would help.
[17:01] <ikonia> MibixFox: look at the partition table, it's probably a partition that's bigger than the boundries of the disk
[17:01] <rangemonger> ikonia: right, "failed to connected socket to /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock"
[17:01] <rskumar> its freezing out of nothing.. like when I plugg off my power cable, it freezes sometimes.. totally killing my productivity.. It also freezes when I resume from suspend .. no pattern when it will freeze
[17:01] <tgm4883> rskumar: honestly if you can't put forth the effort to restate the issue when asked directly, I'm not going to put forth the effort to look through previous logs looking for your issue
[17:01] <rskumar> where should I look for errors?
[17:01] <ikonia> rskumar: does the socket exist ?
[17:01] <ikonia> rskumar: oops, sorry that was for rangemonger
[17:01] <ikonia> rangemonger: does the socket exist
[17:01] <Firefly67> mine is different, my lenovo laptop broke off its hinge on one side, I will get one next week, so I am trying to save my data from this laptop before this one becomes completely non-functional
[17:01] <ikonia> zulrax: you're not matching host headers
[17:01] <ikonia> zulrax: are you aware of name based hosting in apache ?
[17:01] <rskumar> tgm4883: what you are trying right now, is pleasing yourself by thrashing me.. wait for me to write
[17:01] <Firefly67> and also trying to learn how to partition windows/linux
[17:02] <rangemonger> ikonia: how would i check
[17:02] <rangemonger> ?
[17:02] <zulrax> i'm very new to this sorry
[17:02] <ducasse> rskumar: the logs, start with dmesg
[17:02] <ikonia> rangemonger: look in the file system and see if that file exists
[17:02]  * tgm4883 goes back to reindexing ES data
[17:02] <rangemonger> ikonia: what dir would it be in?
[17:02] <rangemonger> oh, nm
[17:02] <ikonia> rangemonger: it says it - you've just shown me the file
[17:02] <ikonia> zulrax: no problem,
[17:02] <rangemonger> lol, yeah
[17:03] <ikonia> zulrax: so namebased virtual hosting requires you to send a "name" with the request
[17:03] <Firefly67> so if I buy a seagate or WD external hard drive that says "compatible with linux OS", I should be fine, right?
[17:03] <rskumar> did someone kick me out?
[17:03] <ikonia> zulrax: eg: http://www.zulrax.com would send "www.zulrax.com" to apache,
[17:03] <ikonia> zulrax: as you are typing int he IP it's not working out which vhost to show you, so it shows you the default one
[17:03] <ducasse> Firefly67: 99% of external drives work with anything that has usb ports
[17:03] <ikonia> rskumar: yes,
[17:03] <rangemonger> ikonia: yes, its there
[17:03] <rskumar> for what?
[17:03] <ikonia> rskumar: ok - look at the permissions
[17:04] <Firefly67> also, any advantages/disadvantages of buying the 1 TB vs 2 TB HDDs? And should I get the rescue recovery plan or is that useless?
[17:04] <ikonia> rskumar: your attitude, your complaining and moaning at people asking you for help - just say "hold on, I'll just type my problem out"
[17:04] <ikonia> rskumar: if you want to remain in this channel, adjust your atittude to be more collaberative
[17:04] <Southern_Gentlem> Firefly67,  whats the price difference
[17:04] <Firefly67> slightly less that twice, I believe
[17:04] <ikonia> rangemonger: ok - look at the permissions on that file
[17:05] <zulrax> ikonia: hmm not sure about if i understand that but i got the server on a vps and just a simple domain name from freedns.afraid.org
[17:05] <yenclgj5nlw> Firefly67: don't know, I have 2 TiB Samsung, it's OK now
[17:05] <rskumar> sorry, you want me to write exact sentence for stick with compliance, that does not seem practical
[17:05] <Southern_Gentlem> and how much data do you need to back up
[17:05] <Firefly67> $55 vs $80 (1TB vs 2TB)
[17:05] <ikonia> rskumar: no, I want you to say "I'm just typing the problem now" not "you're pleasing your self by having a go at me, hang on while I type it out"
[17:05] <Southern_Gentlem> Firefly67,  2T
[17:05] <rskumar> Southern_Gentlem: as you suggested to look into Xorg log, is it thru journalctl?
[17:05] <ikonia> rskumar: you put more effort in to be rude to someone than you did to just say "hang on I'll type it"
[17:06] <MibixFox> ikonia it is bigger than the disk but how is that possible?
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  Firefly67 depends on what daa
[17:06] <MibixFox> how do i change the disk size to fit lol
[17:06] <ikonia> zulrax: so you need to see if the domain you are looking up (not IP) is pointing at your vps
[17:06] <ikonia> MibixFox: miss-configuration
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67,  1TB is to big for most people
[17:06] <Southern_Gentlem> yes you can look in jornalctl and /var/log
[17:06] <ikonia> MibixFox: (I'm guessing, you'll need to check)
[17:06] <Firefly67> well, I want to save the data that I have on this laptop, not more than 200G, and I have to use to backup windows when I partition my new laptop. So about 700 GB? But I might like to use it later too for other purposes, idk at the moment
[17:06] <Southern_Gentlem> and dmseg
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you could buy two, do proper back ups wht if one drive fails and data is only on one
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I have done 2  500GB's in pas, but also bought two 1TB's  that were't realy 1TBa bt under hmm
[17:07] <Firefly67> yes, true, saving in different drives is probably smarter
[17:07] <zulrax> ikona: on the vps site i set the domain to my free dns
[17:07] <ikonia> zulrax: not what I asked
[17:07] <zulrax> ikona: hmmm how do you mean?
[17:07] <ikonia> zulrax: you need to check that the domain you bought is pointing at the IP of the server
[17:07] <fub> Hi. So I have an .xinitrc in my home folder, in which I have: "xset mouse 2 0"
[17:07] <zulrax> ikona: well if i ping it i get my vps ip
[17:07] <fub> THis is not executed when my system/window manager is started
[17:07] <rskumar> ikonia: if i finger point something, and others dont like,... its not always a mature decision to say you are rude because you raised your finger
[17:08] <fub> the command works, if I execute it manually
[17:08] <fub> any hints?
[17:08] <ikonia> rskumar: stop arguing and change your approach, or be quiet, those are you options
[17:08]  * Southern_Gentlem walks away 
[17:08] <Firefly67> and do you think the rescue recovery package is of any use? https://www.amazon.com/Rescue-Year-Recovery-External-Drives/dp/B00P9J6RFO/
[17:08] <zulrax> ikona: and it loads up my apache server, the problem is that it loads up the directory index of my var/www instead of my wordpress website
[17:08] <rskumar> Southern_Gentlem: thanks, let me check.. since its dell laptop with two GFX (nvidia + intel), this can be a reason
[17:08] <Southern_Gentlem> Firefly67,  no
[17:08] <ViRuS007> Hello. how change .cpp icon file ?
[17:09] <ikonia> zulrax: does the dns name point at the IP address of your server yes/no
[17:09] <zulrax> ikona: yes
[17:09] <ikonia> zulrax: ok - have you configured an apache site in sites-available for your domain ?
[17:09] <rangemonger> ikonia: sorry for the delay, its not locked, its open to anyone
[17:09] <ikonia> rangemonger: what are the permissions ?
[17:09] <Firefly67> system administration stuff is so intimidating. How much would one need to pay for all this to be done by a professional?
[17:09] <rangemonger> ikonia: also, im running virtman as admin
[17:10] <ikonia> Firefly67: talk to a local IT guy
[17:10] <Firefly67> like partitioning my HDDs and installing linux and windows
[17:10] <zulrax> ikona: not quite sure how to do that, i changed the DocumentRoot to var/www, not sure if that's to any help
[17:10] <ikonia> zulrax: ok - hang on
[17:10] <ducasse> Firefly67: look for a linux user group
[17:11] <ducasse> Firefly67: put it in ~/.xsessionrc
[17:11] <Firefly67> well it's best if I can learn to do it myself, but if I can't, should I go to a computer shop, or Best Buy kind of place?
[17:11] <ikonia> zulrax: read this https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html
[17:11] <ikonia> zulrax: that will talk you through how to configure apache for your domain
[17:11] <zulrax> ikona: alright thank you I wil check it out
[17:11] <Southern_Gentlem> Firefly67,  its not that hard
[17:12] <Firefly67> yeah I think I will visit this channel and try to do it myself first
[17:12] <Southern_Gentlem> keep you data backed up in 2 or more places
[17:12] <Quetzalcoatl> how can i go back from eth0 naming network interface to the new naming network interface? now: eth0. want new name:enp0xxx
[17:12] <rangemonger> ikonia: srwxrwx
[17:12] <Southern_Gentlem> your data cannot be replaced the programs can
[17:12] <Firefly67> yes
[17:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh partinting isn't that diffuclt well it can be at first, but
[17:12] <Quetzalcoatl> thank you
[17:12] <ikonia> rangemonger: Hmmm thats odd
[17:13] <rangemonger> ikanobori: indeed
[17:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you just need a drive of some sort for Linux and can start geting in there,  by the way may have missed a  few of your messaes
[17:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh the recovery thing
[17:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> let's see
[17:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, whaever that is you probably don' need it
[17:14] <ducasse> it probably won't apply for linux either
[17:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[17:15] <Southern_Gentlem> ducasse,  most drive recovery places can handle linux, windows, and OSX
[17:15] <ducasse> Southern_Gentlem: not what we're discussing
[17:15] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[17:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, what  kind of data do yu want to put on external hard disk?
[17:17] <rskumar> Southern_Gentlem: journalctl showing error "no persitant journal found" .. i think it does not have error log from last freeze, as I had to power off laptop...
[17:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, external hard disk for backing up and keeping data.  and internal hard disk for WIndos or Linux  keeping things simple
[17:17] <Firefly67> some code, plots, etc., some personal stuff like pictures etc.
[17:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, how big is your internal hard disk.  have any data you want to keep on more than one drive!
[17:17] <nicomachus> is there not a PPA for MATE on 16.10?
[17:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, that you want to be sure to keep.  interna hard disk, external hard disks more than one, usb sticks whatever
[17:17] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, which ubuntu version do you have?
[17:17] <ducasse> rskumar: create the dir /var/log/journal
[17:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, and then don't bother with amazons recovery thing, that's a way for them to make more money out of you and you will wate money on that really
[17:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably
[17:18] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: 16lt
[17:18] <Firefly67> it is 500 GB for my current laptop, but it is a Lenovo that came off its hinge and I am afraid it will become non-functional soon, so I am trying to save data from it onto something before I can no longer use the screen
[17:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, plus then you have to trust whoever you send the drive of to with your data hmm
[17:18] <rskumar> ducasse: any permission it should have?
[17:19] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, and ifconfig shows eth0 instead of enpXsY ?
[17:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, ok buy two external hard disks.  that's my suggestin. that's two 500GB 's  or maybe two 1TB 's
[17:19] <ducasse> rskumar: iirc journald will fix that itself
[17:19] <nuentoter> ok i had broken grub, i finally got grub-install and --recheck to throw no errors, do I need to do anything or change anything before i reboot and see if its fixed?
[17:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, 1TB is way to massive for most people
[17:19] <parapan> test
[17:19] <rskumar> ducasse: oh..
[17:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, where are you from? seems a side thing was you wanted to run Linux ?
[17:20] <ducasse> rskumar: then you can use 'journalctl -b 1' to see messages from previous boot
[17:20] <rskumar> ducasse: ok so aftr next freeze (which I am awaiting), i will look into it
[17:20] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: yes. i've made some time ago a modification in grub to show me the old name of  NIC. i commented the line from grub but still the old name appears
[17:20] <Firefly67> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/Crack-in-W540-screen-frame/td-p/2043716 - something like this happened to my laptop and it is now ruined
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, without going on the link, if you got a cracked screes there are ways to fix or replace
[17:21] <Quetzalcoatl> i expected to go back to the new name of NIC
[17:21] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, the line you refer to is, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
[17:21] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: yes
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but you would need to know someone who does hardware, or send of some where
[17:22] <Firefly67> yes, I want to save data off my current ubuntu laptop before it dies completely, and I wanted to learn how to partition windows/linux. But the latter is for next week, this week I am just trying to save my data off this machine
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if your considerig buying a new lap top and wanting Linux on it
[17:22] <jaythelinuxguy> I have a friend with a strange issue and I'm trying to help him. He upgraded to a new hard drive, ST8000DM002. This drive insists on going into standby (heads parked) after inactivity. hdparm is disabled. Previous hard drive didn't do this. Have any of you seen this before?
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, well there are some pre installed Linux options, otherwise you got to deal with the world of UEI BIOS on most new lap tops now ah!
[17:22] <Firefly67> yes, I am buying a new laptop, but it won't arrive till next wek
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, UEFI stu
[17:22] <rskumar> ducasse: Southern_Gentlem, I always see this eror 'vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device' .. can it be something causing freeze
[17:22] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, did you run update-grub after the mod?
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh you already bought one?
[17:23] <ChrisWarrick> Just curous, does Ubuntu support Macs in any way?
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, dual booting Linux on a new lap top can be tricky since what's called UEFI
[17:23] <Firefly67> no, ordered one, it won't arrive till next week
[17:23] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: no. i just restarted the machine
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, yes
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, however not majory
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !mac
[17:23] <Firefly67> UEFI doesn't let you do dual booting?
[17:23] <ducasse> Firefly67: yes, uefi is much better imo
[17:24] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: define "majory"
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, it does, but it can get rtricky, depending on  which uefi set up you got and such
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, that was meant to say majorly
[17:24] <ducasse> Quetzalcoatl: there might be a udev rule that sets the name also, look in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but not majory
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's mostly the community supporting macs
[17:24] <Quetzalcoatl> firefly:why dont you take out the old hdd put it in a desktop machine, and just copy the data you need over network?
[17:24] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, verify that /etc/default/grub has that line commented, run update-grub, and reboot
[17:24] <rangemonger> uefi can be great if its good one like gigabytes
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, also I found out that the 32bit so i3i86  ppc mac suppot  got dropped now, but that wasn't supported much anyway
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there was something the other week
[17:25] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: that’s understandable, there’s no reason to run Linux on a Mac
[17:25] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: ok. i'll do that. ducasse: i'll check and let you know
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, well thre is and isn;t
[17:25] <Lorne2016> Hi - my system won't boot and Im getting errors (I took a pic on cell phone - how do I share that here?)
[17:25] <rangemonger> theres no reason to run a mac :P
[17:25] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos, ducasse: i'll be back shortly
[17:25] <ducasse> Quetzalcoatl: typically called 'persistent-net-something'
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, the Mac hardware can be quite nice, and Linux distros will give a much more free as in software freedom etc experience, than the propritary OS X one from Apple.  you understand what I mean right?
[17:26] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: it’s nonsense.
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, however Linux people don't critise OS X and ioS as much, because there is open source stuff in there to,  it's based on BSD even I belive or partly.  where as Windows nah et
[17:27] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: If you want to run Linux, you can get a good PC for less. And if you want to run macOS, it’s an awesome OS (I’m on a Mac myself)
[17:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, some stuf is fact, some stuff is opinion
[17:27] <rangemonger> what if i want to run win98? :P
[17:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, if you want to put Linux on your Mac though, and with OS X still there as well, it can be done! as for which distro is better for that than another,  well there are probably a  few ones with more support for that than Ubuntu really
[17:28] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, put on some old pc, or in a virtual machineI guess
[17:28] <rangemonger> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah, i do that now
[17:28] <ChrisWarrick> virtualbox doesn’t support windows 98 too well
[17:28] <Firefly67> what is the difference between USB and LiveUSB?
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, nothing it will be the same
[17:28] <rangemonger> but i want to get a pci voodoo 3 and do passthrough on a kvm or xen vm
[17:29] <ChrisWarrick> Firefly67: One is a port, the other means a USB stick that has an OS on it you can boot into
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, an ISO for a Linux distro has to go onto a CD  or DVD or USB stick
[17:29] <rangemonger> that and an sb live
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, and booted from
[17:29] <ducasse> Firefly67: liveusb is the installer booted in 'try ubuntu' mode
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, an there's a live session for testing the compuer, which i f things work ok enough, can install from as well
[17:30] <Firefly67> oh I see. What is "try ubuntu" mode?
[17:30] <rangemonger> ideally id get a pci to isa bridge and also lock in an sb awe64 and nvidia 6000 series gpu
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the live session will use your harware for real, however it will only boot up into ram
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, so when the computer is turned offf or re bootd anything in ram will be gone,
[17:30] <Firefly67> so there is a parallel OS on the USB drive?
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not really, that's a real Ubuntu in the ISO
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the real Ubuntu version you downloaded
[17:31] <Firefly67> ok
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however a live session works more like a demo
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but for everythng it can do nearly or pretty muh everything an install can do
[17:32] <Firefly67> ok
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however it  only is tempory booted up into the ram, so to use  for real more, you put on the hard disk
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since nothing is remembered from ram
[17:32] <Firefly67> ok
[17:33] <Lorne2016> Hi - my system won't boot and Im getting errors (I took a pic on cell phone - how do I share that here?)
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67,  also on a new compter, might need to disable secure boot i the uefi settings, beore a  usb stk will bot up and things ike that
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016, an image site
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !image
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pastebin
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok thre we go it's got something about screen shots in there to
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, which computer did you order?
[17:34] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[17:35] <Firefly67> Lenovo again, unfortunately. Maybe I should have ordered a Dell or something
[17:35] <Lorne2016> SebthreeBQM10HD thx...
[17:35] <rangemonger> lenovo was baller until they started putting malware in the bios
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016, when you got the pic up
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016,  show me/us
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, Lenovo Dell orHP you would get similar issues iwth uei
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, unfortnatly uefi makes it more difficult to put Linux on, than in the past with  old bios computer
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, thanks Microsot (sarcasm )
[17:37] <rangemonger> uefi isnt ms so much as secureboot is
[17:37] <Firefly67> yes, idk if I can partition it myself, without help
[17:38] <Lorne2016> imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw
[17:38] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[17:38] <SipriusPT> http://serverfault.com/questions/819844/not-able-to-forward-mail-from-external-domains-through-relays
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, apparnatly Mac had UEFI for ages, but actsaully works fine and better there
[17:38] <SipriusPT> anyone?
[17:38] <rangemonger> mac had efi
[17:38] <rangemonger> not uefi
[17:38] <engpy> I am new to ubuntu although. I have hard time to run apps. I install them but there is no executable file like windows? Some apps would run in terminal when I type; e-g python or firefox, some apps won't. And I don't know if where is launcher for each apps I install. I know it sounds dum but seriously I might be dum then :) The reason I installed and started to use ubuntu is to run some python scripts and 3.rd party programs to analyze
[17:38] <engpy> some bioinformatics data easier way, but life is not that easy with ubuntu atm :)
[17:38] <rangemonger> uefi is great if done right
[17:38] <rangemonger> asus and gigabytes uefi is baller
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I wanted to dual boot a HP lap top with UEFI/EI whaever the other week,  but unfortuatnly bumpted into certain issues o course
[17:39] <rangemonger> they do bios emulation
[17:39] <rskumar> engpy: first time ubuntu as well as linux?
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not mine,  but  wanted to set up  on there or somemonee else, so he would have the optiion of both Windows and Liu
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> x
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, just keep that in mnd that it may be a bit tricky to put Linux on at first, but that's since Microsoft insisted that alll new computers would have UEFI
[17:40] <rskumar> engpy: what os you used before ubuntu?
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but there  people around in here who can help, when you get to that stage
[17:40] <engpy> Well you can say first time linux aswell rskumar
[17:40] <i_and_i> find your installed programs in the Dash
[17:40] <rangemonger> uefi was going to happen one way or another
[17:40] <Firefly67> is it easier if I only want linux then? I only use the Windows for making powerpoint presentations. I think that is still much simpler and easier to use than anything linux offers
[17:40] <MibixFox> grrrrrrrrrr
[17:40] <rangemonger> bios is such old tech
[17:40] <engpy> I used ios and windows
[17:40] <MibixFox> why is ubuntu so bad at importing these disks :(
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you could go Linux only and pretty much bypass UEI issues that way, but on occassion   for something or  the other it might be useful to have Windows still
[17:41] <i_and_i> which disks
[17:41] <Quetzalcoatl> it worked but i had to reverse the changes that i made in grub in order to access the net. now i have to solve why doesnt assign properly the ip stuffs
[17:41] <engpy> like 20 years :)
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, there's Libre Ofifice and such in the world of Linux,  but  you can actsaully get powerppoint itsel working probably as well, depending on version
[17:41] <Firefly67> yes, having Windows is useful, even if I go there like once in 3 months
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !wine
[17:41] <MibixFox> 3 of my disks have unknown data i_and_i
[17:42] <MibixFox> and i cant use them
[17:42] <MibixFox> they worked fine in windows
[17:42] <i_and_i> engpy hit the Super key and find your programs there
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, and there are commerical versions of wine to
[17:42] <Firefly67> Libre Office isn't as good, it messes up everything
[17:42] <rskumar> engpy: like windows, when you install applications, it may or may not be added in dash .. if there is launcher in that, you can find that app in dash..
[17:42] <Lorne2016> https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw   - sorry - there's the full link.  Anyone know what that error means?
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the commerical vesibions such as Codeweaers make it easier to insall things like Microsot Office and have it working
[17:42] <i_and_i> Mibix what is the unknown data format ?
[17:42] <rskumar> engpy: and dash is like your windows start menu... press windows key to get dash
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, which version of powerpoint ?
[17:43] <MibixFox> its ntfs and all my other drives worked
[17:43] <rangemonger> if  one is running a xen kernal, does it say so with uname -a?
[17:43] <Firefly67> I have Windows 8 on this machine, so whatever powerpoint version came with that
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 2013 mybe then
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i guess
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or something like that
[17:43] <rskumar> engpy: for python, you may want to run interactive shell, so open a terminal by pressing keys 'Ctrl+Shift+t'..
[17:43] <Firefly67> yes I think so
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, yes you can probably Wine or  Codeweaers  powerpoint 2013 and have it working or most things
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but you would need something to install it from still
[17:44] <ducasse> Lorne2016: it's a video driver problem, that's all i can tell you
[17:44] <kaza> hello
[17:44] <kaza> Does linux need any firewall for the usual works?  not for servers
[17:44] <engpy> rskumar, the only way I run my app is via terminal I figured out how to access it
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, also didn't Mirosot even have like a online version o oice now, that inclued power point maybe ?
[17:44] <Lorne2016> ducasse thanks...yeah..that makes sense...
[17:45] <rangemonger> Firefly67: office 365?
[17:45] <engpy> and my problem as I said some installed apps is not on dash if you mean by dash the little bar on left
[17:45] <Firefly67> yes, I prefer the simplicity of just having Windows parallelly, but if it's too hard I might have to opt for linux only - I need linux
[17:45] <LolaCaramia> hello i was told that someone can help me here
[17:45] <rangemonger> Firefly67: linux with windows in a vm maybe?
[17:45] <ducasse> Firefly67: dualboot is easy to get going, don't worry about it
[17:45] <i_and_i> engpy no .. the Super Key ..(Windos Key)
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you need Linux really why ? :)
[17:45] <Firefly67> I've used openoffice, staroffice, libre office - nothing is as good as powerpoint
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, yes probably, what's your issue ?
[17:46] <engpy> I use ipython to run scripts it serves well but suddenly my pc started to ask to run jupyter notebook instead.. oh boy I have too much issues to fix
[17:46] <i_and_i> in between the CTRL and the ALT key
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, ok well have you got something to intall power point from then? if so you could try wine and such once Linuxed
[17:46] <rskumar> engpy: press the key with window icon.. before left alt key.. if you are using eng keyboard
[17:46] <LolaCaramia> i want to instal ubuntu from windows how can i do that?
[17:46] <ikonia> rangemonger: /win 5
[17:46] <ikonia> oops
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, where Windows would still be runnng, or where Windows would still be on the computer but not running?
[17:47] <engpy> rskumar, super key (win key) runs search when I hit it
[17:47] <i_and_i> lola download the Ubuntu installer, and install it
[17:47] <engpy> it says easrch in your computer
[17:47] <rskumar> yes, search your app by its name
[17:47] <Quetzalcoatl> kaza: running firewalls on computers is a good practice in my opinion, so i will say yes.
[17:47] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: copy the iso to a usb stick with rufus usb
[17:47] <i_and_i> yes engpy .. then type the name of yourprogram
[17:47] <rangemonger> ikonia: win5?
[17:47] <Firefly67> yes, maybe I could think about that if keeping windows becomes too difficult. My colleague couldn't manage to install both windows and linux, I think the system administrator said it was because he had Windows 10
[17:47] <ikonia> rangemonger: typo
[17:47] <LolaCaramia> when it is still running
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, there used to be a easy way to install Ubuntu from inside Windows.  using an instaler,  resulting ina dual boot, but that becae unsupported  for a few reasons.   the old standard way to dual boot still is fine though
[17:48] <i_and_i> downlaod the USB installer
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, to tr ?
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yy
[17:48] <LolaCaramia> sorry what is tr?
[17:48] <kaza> ok ty Quetzalcoatl
[17:48] <ahi2> install ubuntu by itself and then use windows in a VM if needed
[17:48] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, you are not talking about the new win10 feature ? bash in windows "a.k.a ubuntu in windows"
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sounds like a virtual  machine you mean?
[17:49] <ahi2> yes
[17:49] <LolaCaramia> i have windows 10
[17:49] <engpy> i_and_i, rskumar, I do search my app name e.g hexchat what I get ton of files and dirs... so which one is basically my executable app or launcher?
[17:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you can try inside Windows in a virtual machine
[17:49] <rangemonger> VMs for lyfe yo :P
[17:49] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, and are you talking about that feature or do realt want full ubuntu
[17:49] <i_and_i> it is listed under "Applications"
[17:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia,  but to use for real it would be better to dual boot
[17:49] <ahi2> vmware is better than virtualbox
[17:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahi2, virtualbox is better than vmware :D
[17:50] <rskumar> engpy: under application group with its icon
[17:50] <ahi2> virtualbox has too many issues
[17:50] <rangemonger> ahi2: overall, yes, but they each do some things that are mutually exclusive
[17:50] <engpy> Alright I have it know yes sorry it puts under applications
[17:50] <i_and_i> HexChat icon should be in the taskbar after install
[17:50] <LolaCaramia> i ask as i did it before like five years ago i installed it from windows and it perfectly worked alone with windows
[17:50] <engpy> alright so you search and click from there
[17:51] <engpy> sounds reasonable :)
[17:51] <i_and_i> engpy you can use that same method to find all your programs
[17:51] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: that was a feature called wubi, they stopped offering that
[17:51] <rskumar> engpy: drag it to sidebar if you want to keep it there
[17:51] <MibixFox> http://imgur.com/a/H6GYa what do i do about this i_and_i
[17:51] <engpy> Thanks both of you
[17:51] <i_and_i> lemme see
[17:51] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, i dont think wubi is used anymore.. so diffrent these days
[17:52] <i_and_i> MibixFox.. no idea
[17:52] <rangemonger> its a shame, wubi was pretty decent
[17:52] <engpy> can I tell ubuntu to allow me run any app from terminal without finding it or being in the qapps dir?
[17:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, yeah  five years ago or so there was wubi,but that no longer is supported
[17:52] <rskumar> MibixFox: you want to clean everything and install  ubuntu?
[17:52] <MibixFox> clean everything?
[17:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, it also won't work with versions of  widows since like windows 8 I think
[17:53] <MibixFox> i just came from a windows install and i have ubuntu installed
[17:53] <i_and_i> 5.6 Terabytes nice
[17:53] <MibixFox> and now ubuntu isnt detected 3 of my disks
[17:53] <MibixFox> ya well i probably just lost 18tb
[17:53] <LolaCaramia> Oh I see so only way is to install it from dvd or flash so i never did it in such way how can i install it without damage windows
[17:53] <i_and_i> huh
[17:53] <LolaCaramia> ?
[17:53] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: either that or use a vm
[17:54] <i_and_i> Lola .. windows is already damaged
[17:54] <ducasse> MibixFox: were they set up in a raid or something?
[17:54] <Mathisen> i_and_i, no it is not.. no need to overdo it
[17:54] <i_and_i> :D
[17:54] <rangemonger> i_and_i: i second that
[17:54] <i_and_i> i had to say it
[17:54] <MibixFox> ducasse those two were in software raid 1 before but i broke the mirror before i switched to ubuntu
[17:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you could dual boot the proper way with partitions, but can also be a bit tricky with a Windows 10 computer
[17:55] <ducasse> MibixFox: and do you need the data on them?
[17:55] <MibixFox> yes
[17:55] <rangemonger> i will never do raid, too many horror stories
[17:55] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, what do you need ubuntu for ? what are you gonna use it for
[17:55] <i_and_i> just backup your old system
[17:56] <MibixFox> ducasse do you know how i can recover that partition?
[17:56] <i_and_i> then install
[17:56] <ducasse> MibixFox: looks like they are in a raid format linux does not support, so you're pretty stuck
[17:56] <MibixFox> grr
[17:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, what you want to do?
[17:57] <ducasse> MibixFox: if you configured them from windows, you need to rescue them from windows
[17:57] <LolaCaramia> ok so few weeks ago I have finished trainings of QA testing and I decided to remember how to work with linux as I didn't do it for many years
[17:57] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, then a VM will be good enough and will it is easy to get going.. no need to hasle with partitions and boot problems..
[17:58] <rangemonger> VM is the best for experimenting
[17:58] <rangemonger> because of save states
[17:58] <LolaCaramia> hasle?
[17:58] <rangemonger> much less hasle
[17:59] <rangemonger> def safer
[17:59] <ducasse> 'hassle'
[17:59] <LolaCaramia> could you please explain me how can I do that with VM?
[17:59] <Mathisen> yeah if you know what you are doing sure dual boot is great but like they said can be some issues with a uefi machine and win10
[17:59] <rangemonger> hasselhof?
[18:00] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, just download virtualbox
[18:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, well Microsoft insisted on hardware manfactures to have a eature called UEI  on all newer computers since like Windows 8, which can make the world of dual booting right fun (sarcasm),  got to od certain things that didn't have to do before,  and it can vary a bit on computer, and get annoying
[18:00] <MibixFox> welp back to windows
[18:00] <Southern_Gentlem> well actusally it was intel
[18:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, feature called UEFI correcting that.
[18:01] <rangemonger> blame intel for uefi, blame ms for secureboot
[18:01] <Southern_Gentlem> correct
[18:01] <rangemonger> 64bit uefi is supported well now with big distros
[18:01] <rskumar> but both works without any hassle on windows ... lol
[18:01] <rangemonger> 32bit is still a headache though
[18:02] <Mathisen> i still just do legacy installs
[18:02] <rangemonger> Mathisen: im guessing you have a machine with bios emulation?
[18:03] <Mathisen> bios emulation ?
[18:03] <rskumar> uefi emulation
[18:03] <Mathisen> i have MB with UEFI suport
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, so on a newer machine, and if not that into this stuff
[18:03] <rangemonger> some UEFIs have bios emulation
[18:03] <Mathisen> okej i have no clue what the major diffrence is
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, could be eaiser to try the virtual machine again first.  get comfortalbe enough then try a dual boot for real later, espeically if you were a wubi user years ago
[18:04] <rangemonger> uefi doesnt need a bootloader or weird formats for a usb stick to boot
[18:04] <rangemonger> just copy the files to the drive and it boots, as long as theres a working efi folder
[18:04] <Mathisen> i ment the emulation part
but I also don't know how to do that with VM
[18:04] <rangemonger> bios emulation lets you boot non efi stuff
[18:05] <rskumar> rangemonger: you r correct.. some mbs have uefi with bios emulation
[18:05] <Mathisen> okej
[18:05] <rangemonger> rskumar: shame laptops never do
[18:05] <Mathisen> well i dont know then.. i just know i can switch from UEFI to legacy/CSM
[18:05] <_liam_>  is there a standard/most popular program when it comes to desktop widgets?
[18:05] <rangemonger> oh wait, ive come across one laptop that did
[18:06] <_liam_> I know there is screenlets, but anythig more popular?
[18:06] <rskumar> rangemonger: iirc, i had hp probook with this...
[18:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, UEFI can be a pain, so best to save that for a bit later I am thinking
[18:06] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: did you install virtual box?
[18:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, get comortalbe with Ubuntu in Virtualbox first
[18:06] <Zeranoe> Is there a guide available that goes through how to set up a Ubuntu LAMP server with using best practices? As in, virtual servers, permissions, etc
[18:07] <rangemonger> the one that had it was acer, atleast the one ive seen
[18:07] <rskumar> Zeranoe: best practices for production?
[18:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, but ok you haven't done a vm before, a virtual machine
[18:07] <krambiorix> how can i check if all tags in file A are also in file B?
[18:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, that's usaully quite easy to do with a program called Virtualbox
[18:07] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Yes
[18:08] <rangemonger> what i like about gigabytes uefi is that you can boot things on a per os basis
[18:08] <rskumar> Zeranoe: avoid VMs if you care performance.. look into docker container
[18:08] <nuentoter> ok so curious, the pc im on now has a broken kernel and os, im using live disk atm. Is there anyway to still run like an sql command so i can get my backups?
[18:08] <rangemonger> one os can boot in uefi mode, and another in legacy bios mode
[18:08] <LolaCaramia> пкуфе ерфтл нщг
[18:08] <LolaCaramia> sorry
[18:08] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Sorry, I meant virtual hosts
[18:08] <Zeranoe> rskumar: The apache HTTP configuration
[18:08] <Mathisen> rangemonger, even if same hd ? jusr diffrent partitions ?
[18:09] <LolaCaramia> great thank you I will find that soft and install it if there any extra questions I'll be back^)
[18:09] <rangemonger> Mathisen: i cant remember if it lets you on the same hdd but probably not since uefi booting requires gpt
[18:09] <rskumar> Zeranoe: oh.. that has nothing to do with ubuntu.. you can find some good refs on digitalocean.. their docs are good
[18:09] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Thank you
[18:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, hld on a sec
[18:10] <ducasse> rangemonger: false
[18:10] <rangemonger> ducasse: whats false?
[18:10] <rskumar> Zeranoe: like this - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[18:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, go to http://virtualbox.org downlad it for WIndows then
[18:10] <ducasse> rangemonger: uefi does not require gpt (except for windows)
[18:10] <Zeranoe> rskumar: What do you think of this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[18:11] <rangemonger> ducasse: yeah, i suppose youre right, since it just needs an uefi dir
[18:11] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[18:11] <LolaCaramia> downloading
[18:11] <ducasse> rangemonger: it's a bit complex, since many don't follow the uefi specs to the letter.
[18:11] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: get the extensionpack too
[18:12] <rangemonger> ducasse: hopefully that will clear up with time
[18:12] <LolaCaramia> I don't see that
[18:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, donload the UBuntu ISO desktop. I get it from  htttp://releases.ubuntu.com ubuntu desktop 64bit amd64
[18:13] <rskumar> Zeranoe: your choice... both good..
[18:13] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.10/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.1.10-112026.vbox-extpack
[18:13] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: assuming you got virtualbox 5.1.10
[18:14] <rskumar> what difference do Xorg.1.log and Xorg.0.log have?
[18:14] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Last question: as a point of organization, is it a good idea to create a user for each domain, and run their respective httpd sessions with suPHP?
[18:14] <apio> hello mates
[18:14] <rangemonger> greets n stuff
[18:15] <nuentoter> ok so curious, the pc im on now has a broken kernel and os, im using live disk atm. Is there anyway to still run like an sql command so i can get my backups?
[18:15] <LolaCaramia> ok guys I have download it everithing and ubuntu desktop too
[18:16] <rangemonger> nuentoter: im guessing yes but thats out of my league so i dont know for sure
[18:16] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: install vbox now, then
[18:16] <ducasse> nuentoter: can't you just copy out the db files?
[18:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you will have to re boot after installing virutalbox probably
[18:17] <nuentoter> that will probably be what happens but I would much prefer otherwise because I cannot directly reimplement a whole db back into it cleanly
[18:17] <rskumar> Zeranoe: if you want to go insane on security, make users per VH..
[18:18] <rskumar> Zeranoe: i usually dont use apache, but docker+nginx.. :)
[18:18] <LolaCaramia> started installation
[18:20] <rangemonger> i have to mess with docker, i keep hearing things
[18:20] <ducasse> noah2: copy the db files elsewhere on the disk, install a db server on the live session, point the db server at the db copy. might work.
[18:21] <ducasse> nuentoter: or try in a chroot
[18:21] <apio> hey ppl, has anyone fixed the automatic "reply with template" filter in tb?
[18:22] <apio> i have searched over the web and i havent seen any solution at all
[18:22] <nuentoter> hmmmm true
[18:22] <rskumar> rangemonger: its good, if you like the concept of bsd jail :)
[18:23] <LolaCaramia> everything is installed should I reboot my laptop?
[18:23] <rangemonger> rskumar: im going to have to give it a go soon
[18:23] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: yep
[18:23] <LolaCaramia> will be back soon
[18:24] <rangemonger> ok
[18:24] <rangemonger> YAY XEN
[18:24] <rangemonger> woooo
[18:25] <rangemonger> finally!
[18:25] <rangemonger> turns out having vbox installed makes xen no work
[18:26] <rangemonger> this is so baller
[18:27] <rangemonger> ikonia: it was vbox, uninstalling that let xen work
[18:29] <rangemonger> now ive gotta get a voodoo3 and an sb live
[18:32] <aicasn> hey folks - does ufw have a way to blacklist abusive ips? eg. if you have a rule permitting inbound tcp on port 25 (smtp) can you limit the connection rate to 15 per 5 seconds and anyone that goes over that gets shoved into the blacklist and ignored from then on
[18:34] <rangemonger> omg yes, the mouse works over a remote session on xen
[18:35] <LolaCaramia> I am here
[18:36] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: install the ext pack now
[18:37] <Sellerie> hello, can any1 help me?
[18:37] <LolaCaramia> I believe it was installed after main installaion at once
[18:37] <rangemonger> Sellerie: ill try
[18:38] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: you can see if its installed in the settings
[18:38] <rangemonger> theres an ext pack heading in there
[18:38] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: basically the ext pack adds lots of usefull features that arent open source to vbox
[18:43] <LolaCaramia> so everything is installed
[18:44] <rangemonger> ok, im going to have to do this by memory because i just had to uninstall vbox for xen to work...
[18:44] <rangemonger> there should be a new button on there
[18:51] <pavlos> aicasn, this may help ... http://serverfault.com/questions/368523/rate-limiting-with-ufw-setting-limits
[18:54] <aicasn> thanks pavlos  :)
[18:56] <koroso> hey
[18:57] <mikeymop> is for horses
[18:57] <aicasn> that method will allow the ip after a certain amount of time. i'm looking for more of a smart blacklisting ability, where any ip that tries to start X connections in Y seconds is remembered and never allowed to pass again
[18:58] <aicasn> similar to this pf setup: https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/bruteforce.html
[18:58] <ducasse> aicasn: check out fail2ban
[19:01] <rangemonger> hmm, passthrough isnt taking on xen yet
[19:03] <aicasn> ducasse: my primary concern are smtpd spammers trying to break port 25
[19:03] <aicasn> fail2ban is for sshd only, no?
[19:04] <CodeHunterEx> lubuntu
[19:05] <CodeHunterEx> Howdy y'all.  I need assistance setting up a printer in Lubuntu 64Bit please.  I installed the Brother drivers but I don't know how to get it going.  Going to printers doesn't work.
[19:05] <CodeHunterEx> It is setup via wifi
[19:06] <CodeHunterEx> Settings - Printer only shows 'localhost'
[19:06] <ciccio> ciao
[19:07] <CodeHunterEx> Error: There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'failed to connect to server'.
[19:07] <ciccio> ciao
[19:12] <kang0> Who has 2 hours?
[19:14] <cvende> Hello all, I've got a very weird bug with Xubuntu on a samsung notebook: windows headers disappear, most keyboard shortcuts can't be used... What do you think it could be? X server mayhem? Improper grub cmdline config?
[19:18] <ducasse> aicasn: you can set up rules for whatever you want, there are included ones for tons of services
[19:22] <aicasn> i'll check it out. thanks :)
[19:22] <CodeHunterEx> I was able to solve the issue by installing cups and then re-install the Brother drivers.  I assume that cups wasn't properly installed although it was mentioned as being installed.
[19:23] <ducasse> aicasn: you can also run whatever you want when it triggers, included examples there as well. good luck :)
[19:32] <carl__> hallo
[19:37] <retrosenator> i have copied the tcz tcz.dep and tcz.md5.txt files
[19:37] <retrosenator> but tce-status reveals they didn't load
[19:37] <Aleksandar86> Can I with WEBMIN create new folder with FTP privileges?
[19:37] <cobreadmonster> Hey guys.
[19:37] <perlharbour[m]> Habibi
[19:37] <retrosenator> also tce-load silently ignores any path I provide to the files
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> Anyone has tried the new Dell XPS 13?
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> the one with Kaby Lake processors?
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> I'm considering buying one.
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> and putting linux on it.
[19:42] <wafflejock> cobreadmonster, more an #ubuntu-discuss topic this channel is just for support issues, I've heard good things but no personal experience
[19:43] <guest1110101> I'm trying to choose a 128gb usb for the boot loader installation and when I press install now for the installation I get "no root file system is defined" please correct this from the partitioning menu...
[19:44] <guest1110101> why is it telling me this and what do I do about it?
[19:45] <dankux297> Someone help me please!
[19:45] <guest1110101> yeah what dankux279 said!
[19:46] <dankux297> My dick is stuck in a Ubuntu PC! How do I get it out?
[19:46] <dankux297> XD
[19:46] <dankux297> no ban pls
[19:46] <nicomachus> !guidelines > dankux297
[19:46] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: You are in the initial install stages from the " something else " install option ?
[19:47] <guest1110101> indeed
[19:47] <dankux297> Alright, serious question, are Linux PCs easily hackable?
[19:47]  * nicomachus sighs
[19:47] <guest1110101> that is a difficult question fanux yes and no.
[19:48] <dankux297> Don't try it on me tho. It's just a question
[19:48] <nicomachus> dankux297: that's a better question for ##security
[19:48] <dankux297> I'll join that later
[19:48] <guest1110101> how about now.. shoo.
[19:49] <nicomachus> if you think your machine has been compromised, we can help to repair it. but I've never seen anyone on this channel answer those sorts of abstract questions because they aren't on topic here
[19:49] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: Ya want to return to the partitioning then and choose " change" and make sure that '/' (root) partiton is set up and that the mount point (/) is declared .
[19:49] <dankux297> ?
[19:50] <guest1110101> should I use it as an ex2  file system as well?
[19:50] <dankux297> Are all the other IRC networks working for you people? I can only join Debian and Ubuntu servers only
[19:50] <Cuzner> I have a very simple question that I can't seem to wrap my head around, I need to write a function based around the status of a running service (determine if it's running or not).  I'd like to do something other than a 'service --status-all|grep <service name>|grep "-"' or anything like that.  I need something that will give me a status code of 0 if running or 1 if not running, or something like that.
[19:51] <Cuzner> any build in mechanisms like that for systemd?
[19:51] <Cuzner> (16.04 box)
[19:52] <CodeHunterEx> If I wanted to try out the Mate DE would it be possible to install it and test it out without causing any problems with my current Linux (Lubuntu 16.04) or would it be better to use a Live CD/DVD?
[19:52] <dankux297> lol just vm
[19:53] <OerHeks> Cuzner, basicly systemctl status name.service > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30056280/test-if-a-systemd-unit-is-active-in-a-bash-script
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> That is another option.
[19:53] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: well .. lots of opinions as to the "best" file system .. but I am satisfied that ext4 for all-a-round-do-it-all is the better choice until you yourself know better what other to use .
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> dankux297
[19:53] <dankux297> Yes?
[19:53] <guest1110101> a virtual machine is definitely a good idea depending on what you intend to "test out" code hinter
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> Your vm comment was a good one.
[19:54] <dankux297> Lel im a noob
[19:54] <Cuzner> OerHeks: perfect, TIL about 'is-active' switch, exactly what i'm looking for.
[19:54] <rangemonger> VMs are the best thing on computers
[19:54] <rangemonger> real life needsa VMs
[19:54] <rangemonger> *needs
[19:54] <guest1110101> not necessarily rage.. visit have their limitations depending on what you need to do.
[19:54] <guest1110101> vms
[19:54] <guest1110101> darned smart phone..
[19:54] <Cuzner> vms and docker containers... wheee
[19:54] <CodeHunterEx> I use a vm for runnin XP and a specific program that wine cannot run.
[19:54] <rangemonger> i know but theyre still awesome
[19:55] <CodeHunterEx> vms are great.
[19:55] <Cuzner> I'm in a hyper-v vm right now :D
[19:55] <guest1110101> much appreciated bashingom
[19:55] <nicomachus> great, everyone uses VMs. Now please stick to on-topic stuff.
[19:55] <dankux297> (CodeHunterx: Your vm comment was a good one) Sarcasm?
[19:55] <Cuzner> yeah, lets talk about zsh :D
[19:55] <rangemonger> xen is my new favourite thing
[19:56] <rangemonger> but i cant get passthrough on it yet
[19:56] <rangemonger> odd since it works fine in kvm
[19:56] <CodeHunterEx> No sarcasm dankux297.  It was a sincear comment because I shoulda thought of that myself.
[19:56] <dankux297> lol thnx
[19:56] <CodeHunterEx> You're welcome
[19:56] <Lorne2016> can anyone help solving my ubuntu graphic drivers problem?  I got a black screen...
[19:56] <lolguy_> Damn I can't add a network to xchat :(
[19:57] <dankux297> BSODs are back
[19:57] <rangemonger> Logan: plug your mon into another dvi port and reboot
[19:57] <rangemonger> oops wrong person
[19:57] <rangemonger> Lorne2016: plug your mon into another dvi port and reboot
[19:57] <rangemonger> that one racked my brains out for a while
[19:57] <Lorne2016> rangemonger I wish it were tht simple...
[19:58] <rangemonger> it was for me once
[19:58] <rangemonger> it was worth a shot
[19:58] <rangemonger> some drivers didnt do clone mode by default
[19:58] <CodeHunterEx> Computers aren't 'simple' in any way.
[19:58] <rangemonger> but on a rare occasion the problems have a simple answer
[19:58] <Lorne2016> rangemonder ...lol... I've made some progress with nomodeset ... but still can't get my system to boot itself
[19:58] <dankux297> If he's having a black screen, how tf can he see what's he's typing??
[19:58] <rangemonger> might as well rule those out first
[19:59] <rangemonger> hes likely on another comp
[19:59] <nicomachus> dankux297: please watch your language. that includes acronyms
[19:59] <dankux297> sowwy
[19:59] <Lorne2016> dankux297  lol... yes - second computer
[19:59] <dankux297> Why are ur text red?
[19:59] <nicomachus> dankux297: do you have an ubuntu issue?
[20:00] <dankux297> Lol im debian XD
[20:00] <nicomachus> dankux297: then please refrain from clogging the channel with pointless stuff.
[20:00] <dankux297> I'm here for no reason. But I do have some questions
[20:02] <dankux297> I have some trash that I can't restore. Any ideas?
[20:02] <nicomachus> dankux297: on debian?
[20:03] <dankux297> Yes? sowwy
[20:03] <nicomachus> you'll have to ask in a debian channel then. This channel is Ubuntu only.
[20:03] <dankux297> Accept the file pls
[20:03] <nicomachus> absolutely not.
[20:03] <nicomachus> do not send files to random users.
[20:03] <dankux297> XD
[20:03] <Cuzner> lmfao
[20:03] <Cuzner> do people still dcc shit?
[20:04] <dankux297> Jacob Sartorious Trash
[20:04] <nicomachus> Cuzner: language.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Tell the channel what the hardware is ( grahic's card ) and what kernel you are running .
[20:04] <dankux297> bye guys'
[20:05] <nicomachus> good riddance.
[20:05] <Lorne2016> My graphics prob: hardware is Nvidia GTX 970...on 16.10   http://termbin.com/spml
[20:05] <Cuzner> nicomachus: I'm not sure if that particular cuss worthy of banning though, i mean it's only bleeped out on american TV.  UK/Canada/AUS you can say "shit" on TV
[20:06] <Cuzner> pretty sure they can't get in trouble for it in the house of commons either.
[20:06] <nicomachus> Cuzner: feel free to read the !guidelines
[20:06] <Cuzner> roger
[20:06] <squinty> !language
[20:06] <Cuzner> !guidelines
[20:06] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om thanks for the suggestion... is ubuntu version the same as kernel?
[20:07] <Cuzner> oh, this is like an official channel, no wonder it's so full, i can understand why you'd want to keep it family friendly.
[20:07] <Lorne2016> Cuzner ...full?   I thought al those people were the bodies of folks who waited for help...till they perished...
[20:08] <Cuzner> k, i got a good chuckle out of that one
[20:08] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: no, kernel version and ubuntu version are different.
[20:08] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Most times - neglecting if HWE is at play . then yes the release and kernel will be the same .
[20:08] <Cuzner> but i got my question answered right away...
[20:08] <itchycops> Hi.  :)  I've got a question about writing an init.d script to start a process.  Should I just ask, or is there a specific channel for help requests?
[20:08] <nicomachus> find kernel version with uname -r, find ubuntu version with lsb_release -a
[20:08] <Cuzner> OerHeks is the man
[20:08] <nicomachus> !ask | itchycops
[20:09] <itchycops> Ah.  Thx.
[20:09] <Cuzner> itchycops: is it 16.04+?  you probably want to use systemd tools
[20:09] <Lorne2016> nicomachus how do I find the kernel?  (assuming I'm logging in from livecd)
[20:09] <Cuzner> Lorne2016: uname -a
[20:09] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: from a terminal, type < uname -r >
[20:10] <Cuzner> or -r
[20:10] <nicomachus> you can use -a but it gives a lot of unnecessary info
[20:10] <Cuzner> yeah
[20:10] <Cuzner> it's just habitual
[20:10] <itchycops> I'm writing an init.d script to start a program that someone else wrote.  It's not written to be a daemon, but I'd like it launched at boot time.  The problem is, the process starts, but doesn't seem to 'let go' of the init script.
[20:11] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I'm on 16.10, but I'm just using what's already there.  There are tons of startup scripts in /etc/init.d/.
[20:11] <Cuzner> itchycops: yeah, it's for legacy support
[20:11] <sadme> hi, my ubuntu 16.04 system takes a stupidly long amount of time to boot up - how can i find what the problem is? systemd-analyze tells me that 3 minutes (!!!) was spent in 'userspace' but doesn't offer any insight on how to fix it - can anyone point me in the right direction?
[20:11] <nicomachus> itchycops: valuable reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[20:11] <itchycops> Well, having already written 99% of it, I'd prefer to stick with it, although I'll consider using systemd next time.
[20:12] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Booting up a liveUSB will not directly give you what kernel is in the install . How much time do you want to expend on " learning to fish " ?
[20:12] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  lol...none.  I just wanna repair this beast and get on my way!
[20:12] <sadme>  guess i'll just reformat
[20:12] <ioria> sadme, systemd-analyze blame
[20:12] <Cuzner> haha nicomachus
[20:13] <Cuzner> i was about to link that to him
[20:13] <nicomachus> great minds google alike
[20:13] <sadme> ioria: there's nothing there - 4 seconds for apt, 1 second for some lvm2 thing - but that's all. nothing that could account for the >3 minute boot time
[20:13] <Lorne2016> Bashin-om 4.8.0-22-generic  (but that could be the version of the stick!  and not what's supposedto be on my harddrive)
[20:13] <itchycops> Anyway, is there a way I can indicate inside my init script that I'd like to put the program into the background?  I've tried appending an ampersand to the options, but that didn't work.
[20:14] <Cuzner> itchycops: you can probably still use much of what you've written, we're just suggesting you packge it up for systemd instead of using the legacy stuff... Might as well do it the right way the first time, right?
[20:14] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K :).. can you boot to the GUI - degraded is acceptable - with the nomodeset boot parameter ? . better yet to a terminal from the log in screen (crl+alr+F1) . and we see about the driver and what we need to install .
[20:14] <Cuzner> the link nicomachus sent you shows you how
[20:14] <ioria> sadme, let's press esc and follow the boot process in text mode ...
[20:15] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  YES!   (can you give me 15 mins tho' - gotta get the kids from school... be right back)
[20:15] <itchycops> I'm reading that, but I just spent a day figuring out how to write this, so I hope you can understand "Start over again with this new thing" isn't an optimal answer.
[20:15] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Always here is at your pace :)
[20:15] <nicomachus> itchycops: but you spent a day writing it for a deprecated system.
[20:15] <nicomachus> there shouldn't be too much to change
[20:16] <Cuzner> yeah, most of it can probably be ported over with minimal effort
[20:16] <itchycops> I don't have a problem reading 10 pages, but I have a minor complaint about something that works and was shipped by default with the system.
[20:17] <sadme> ioria: hiw can i do that? lressing escape while booting has no effect, all i see is the boot animation
[20:17] <nicomachus> itchycops: is it working now?
[20:17] <itchycops> deprecated means "will not supported in the future" — I get that.  And I'd be delighted to write anything new with it, but at this precise moment in time, I have a minor inconvenience, and throwing away another entire day to read about how to do it the right way, is, while correct, not a great solution.
[20:18] <itchycops> Yes, it works with the minor complaint that when I start it from the command line, it hangs and doesn't return.  I can CTRL-C out of it, and get back to the command line, and the process continues to run in the background, but I'd like to fix that.
[20:19] <Cuzner> if you don't like learning new ways of doing things, systems administration's probably not for you.  but, for the sake of solving your problem, have you tried just forking a subshell with '&' on the end of whatever service you're trying to start?
[20:19] <nicomachus> itchycops: there's an awesome support community at #systemd but that would require changing it over to the systemd way of doing things.
[20:20] <itchycops> I don't have a problem learning new ways.  But I've asked a simple question, but nobody's even attempted to help answer the question that I asked, the response has been "start over".
[20:20] <nicomachus> no, it's been "do it right"
[20:21] <itchycops> There are two dozen processes being started this way, out of the box.
[20:21] <itchycops> If there's no support for it, it should be removed from the distribution entirely.
[20:21] <Cuzner> you realize you just responded to my comment where i did give you a suggestion and you seem to have ignored it? :P
[20:21] <Cuzner> but i'm still with nicomachus on this one, do it right the first time.
[20:22] <Cuzner> but if you do want to keep doing it wrong, try forking it with &
[20:22] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I already explained that I've tried that, and you seem to have ignored it.  :P
[20:22] <Cuzner> ah, no, i guess i just missed it, lots of scroll in this channel :D
[20:22] <itchycops> >> Anyway, is there a way I can indicate inside my init script that I'd like to put the program into the background?  I've tried appending an ampersand to the options, but that didn't work.
[20:22] <itchycops> Cuzner:  Yes.  ;)
[20:23] <nicomachus> have you tried && exit?
[20:23] <nicomachus> at the end?
[20:23] <itchycops> I've got a CMD='/path/to/command' and OPT=' -list -of -options &' in the script, but it didn't change the behavior.
[20:23] <guest1110101> are you still here dankux
[20:23] <ioria> sadme, any progress ?
[20:24] <itchycops> nicomachus:  If the program doesn't exit/go into the background, I'm not sure that the 'exit' command would ever run.
[20:25] <dankux297> Someone help me please
[20:25] <itchycops> In much the same way bash && exit wouldn't exit until bash stopped running.
[20:25] <Cuzner> have you tried 'bash -c <commands & options> && exit'?
[20:26] <dankux297> There's this annoying trash that I'm unable to delete in my Wastebasket
[20:26] <evilytwisted> Hi, could any of you guys help me understand unetbootin?
[20:26] <dankux297> There's this annoying trash that I'm unable to delete in my Wastebasket
[20:27] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: what are you wondering?
[20:27] <itchycops> Cuzner:  Same issue though…  If I the program I run in the shell doesn't return, it'll still be stuck.
[20:27]  * Cuzner shrugs
[20:27] <Cuzner> out of ideas, do it the correct way :)
[20:27] <sadme> ioria: i had to reboot into a different os to deal with something, i will try in a second. i think i can use this technique to boot in text mode http://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst
[20:28] <ioria> sadme,  a bit old, you're using systemd
[20:28] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I suspect the problem will be the same, since the program isn't designed to be a daemon.  I suppose I'll leave it as is for now, since it's functional, but I will read up on systemd for the next time.
[20:28] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  to start off i have win10, im trying to use unetbootin to install linux without the use of cd or usb
[20:28] <itchycops> Thanks for your time, folks.
[20:29] <ioria> enable text boot with sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target   and restore gui with sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[20:29] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  ive tried to install linux, it creates a bootloader for unetbootin, BUt it doesnt do anything after
[20:30] <rangemonger> still have the linux iso handy?
[20:30] <ioria> evilytwisted, why not rufus ?
[20:30] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: ^
[20:30] <rangemonger> thats what i was going to say
[20:30] <rangemonger> rufus
[20:30] <nicomachus> ioria: he says he's trying to do it without CD or USB
[20:30] <evilytwisted> im on win10, I dont have a cd or usb device
[20:30] <evilytwisted> will rufus work without those 2
[20:30] <ioria> nicomachus, i see ....
[20:30] <maslen1> How can I get the list of direct dependencies for a package? I don't want the full list of all the packages the dependencies require.
[20:30] <rangemonger> ooh
[20:30] <nicomachus> evilytwisted: no, rufus makes USBs
[20:31] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok - you there?
[20:31] <rangemonger> its possible but not easy
[20:31] <evilytwisted> thats why i was trying to use un.
[20:31] <ioria> evilytwisted,  what do you want to accomplish ?
[20:31] <rangemonger> you need to install grub with a tool like easy bcd
[20:31] <rangemonger> and then add the iso to grub
[20:31] <evilytwisted> ioria,  install linux without the use of usb/cd
[20:31] <rangemonger> get easy bcd
[20:31] <ioria> evilytwisted,  booting iso from grub ?
[20:31] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: if you're on Win10 why not use hyper-v?
[20:31] <evilytwisted> i dont have grub installed yet
[20:32] <wedgie> maslen1: apt-cache show <package> lists the dependencies
[20:32] <evilytwisted> wouldnt know how to use hyper-v
[20:32] <Cuzner> do you want to run this box as your desktop?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Yeah .. back .. are you at a terminal ? And are you familiar with using a pastebin site ?
[20:32] <Cuzner> run it as a VM in win10
[20:32] <Cuzner> best of both worlds
[20:32] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: easybcd installs grub easily
[20:32] <sadme> ioria: oh, how do i disable the splash screen using systemd?
[20:32] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  ok, once thats done. how would i install linux?
[20:32] <ioria> evilytwisted,  it's really twisted then :þ
[20:33] <evilytwisted> ioria,  hence my name XD
[20:33] <nicomachus> like, evily twisted
[20:33] <evilytwisted> nicomachus,  actually its evil y twisted
[20:33] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: Hyper-v comes with win10, you just have to add it, it's under 'windows components' or something, then you create a VM, attach the iso, voila.
[20:33] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - I'm typing on 2nd computer... 1st computer is booted to "try ubuntu" with a terminal open ...yes, familiar with concept of pastebin (but need to be fed the commands)
[20:33] <evilytwisted> y is spanish for and
[20:33] <nicomachus> evilytwisted: this channel is english only. :D
[20:33] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: easy bcd lets you also mount an iso to grub
[20:33] <evilytwisted> nicomachus,  blasphemy :P
[20:33] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  oh ty
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: you're normally a windows guy right?  you want to experiment with linux or something?
[20:34] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  i have oracle vm already. and it doesnt do anything.
[20:34] <Cuzner> run it in a vm
[20:34] <ioria> sadme, try to edit /etc/default/grub   ; replace quite splash with text; sudo update-grub  ; and reboot
[20:34] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  nah. ive used linuxmint opensuse, fedora core 4, mandrake, mandriva, puppy linux. windowmaker
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: i'm running this box i'm on right now in hyper-v, it's 16.04 ubuntu
[20:34] <Cuzner> EPIC5-1.1.11 (Lucubrations) + LiCe v5.3.0 (axur)
[20:34] <evilytwisted> etc...
[20:34] <evilytwisted> linux has its usefulness
[20:34] <ioria> *quiet
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: sure it's useful, i've made a living off of it for the last 15-20 yrs
[20:34] <BadCodSmell> I'm trying to figure out the apt source code. Does RunScripts actually only run user configured scripts (hooks) and not part of apt?
[20:35] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K. we want to boot up the target machine . check/install a driver . Need that you boot up that install to either the recovery consile or preferrably a console interface .
[20:35] <Cuzner> but i'm not going to run it for a desktop if i don't have a reason to
[20:35] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  why not? linux is a fully well desktop replacement
[20:35] <evilytwisted> and it can game.
[20:35] <Cuzner> i would agree if you're a power use using i3wm or something
[20:35] <wedgie> maslen1: or    apt-cache depends <package>
[20:35] <evilytwisted> nah, get cinnamon.
[20:35] <evilytwisted> cinnamon or kde is well eyecandy licisous
[20:35] <Cuzner> but if you're going to install linux to run gnome, you may as well stick with win10 and run it in a hyper-v vm
[20:36] <BadCodSmell> hmm don't worry it's almost certainly that
[20:36] <nicomachus> nothing wrong with good ol' Unity desktop, but this is all getting off-topic
[20:36] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - so you want me to attempt to boot to a terminal without the stick (?)... I have been successful at that once going thru the machines own grub...but sometimes the grub menu doesn't show!!
[20:36] <evilytwisted> nah gnome is like mac......  if i would install anything. t would be linux mint
[20:36] <evilytwisted> ty rangemonger
[20:36] <evilytwisted> for the advice
[20:36] <rangemonger> np
[20:37] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: still, you sound like a guy who wants to learn more linux, you can do that without slowing down your productivity by getting used to a new desktop OS...
[20:37] <Cuzner> but to each his/her own.
[20:37] <BadCodSmell> there's no such thing as a desktop OS
[20:37] <BadCodSmell> It's made of wood
[20:37] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: If there is bit ubuntu installed . then grub "should" not show by default . Now depending on if this machine is newer (uefi) one can get the grub menu -> soon as the bios screen clears press and hold a shift key .
[20:38] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  yeah of course. But linux has /is awesome.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> bit/but*
[20:38] <Cuzner> it's the correct tool for the job the majority of the time
[20:38] <Cuzner> but i don't like it any more or less than windows
[20:38] <Cuzner> or OSX for that matter, or FreeBSD
[20:39] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  yeah - I'm holding the shift key like my life depended on it...and it doesn't show!  I have gotten it to show before...but unsure how to repeat that feat
[20:39]  * Cuzner is proud to be OS agnostic
[20:39] <Cuzner> :)
[20:39] <nicomachus> Cuzner: that's a great topic of discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:39] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om and the system is newer and I believe UEFI
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:40] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: :et us then sday this is a EFI machine .. then it is the escape key that grub looks for . soon as the bios screen clears spam that escape key .
[20:40] <Cuzner> nicomachus: agreed, sorry to get off topic, i'll shaddap :)
[20:41] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: ^ there is only a 3 second window of opportunity and grub moves on .
[20:41] <rangemonger> if its uefi, just make a fat32 partition and copy the cd contents to it
[20:42] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I got grub!!
[20:42] <rangemonger> as long as its a 64bit ubuntu and your uefi is 64 bit, it should give you a boot option
[20:42] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om - so i want advanced options...then 'c' for command line?
[20:43] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: :) so what results booting the highest version kernl listed ( top one ) . with that kernel selected. press the enter key .
[20:44] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om the top one is Ubuntu with linux 4.8.0-30-generic
[20:44] <nicomachus> that's what I've got here.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K .. that is the 16.10 release kernel . soon as we get a command line we go to work and find out what the condition is .
[20:45] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  ok - with that top option... I get this error https://imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw
[20:46] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: running an Nvidia GPU?
[20:46] <ioria> Lorne2016, nomodeset already tried ?
[20:46] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om Do I need to reboot?  (btw:  I have 2 monitors plugged in... the Nvidia card is the one I want to use...that error msg came off the monitor plugged into the motherboard output)
[20:46] <nicomachus> ohhhhh
[20:47] <nicomachus> it's trying to use nouveau drivers to power the intel chipset on the mobo?
[20:47] <sadme> ioria: thanks, i'm making progress- now i csn see where it hangs. it seems to be take a very very long time setting up the encrypted home directory
[20:47] <Lorne2016> ioria Nomodeset has allowed me to boot "Try Ubuntu" from a stick... I'm not sure how to nomodeset regular startup ...I get a GRUB$ ...not a regular one - and don't know what to do
[20:48] <ioria> sadme,  how did you encrypt it ...  with the default installer ?
[20:48] <sadme> yes ioria, i just ticked the box that said 'encrypt my home dir' when i installed
[20:49] <ioria> Lorne2016,  in /etc/default/grub
[20:49] <pingwindyktator> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.1. I've got some apps running on screens but occasionally those app are killed. What might cause the problem?
[20:49] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Ouch !! a write faullt ! .. yukie poo . Try this: reboot and bring up the grub menu -> 'e' key for edit mode - fo down to the line starting with linux, and replace "quite splash" with fsck.mode=force . key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process. let us hope that the file system (fsck) checker will fix the file system for us .
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, which programs
[20:49] <ioria> sadme,  we need to know more about your configuration ... usually it works fine
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, which programs
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> ^ well, you see I'm not joking. weechat was killed
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: weechat and my python irc bot
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anything else?
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> didnt tried
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ram graphics card?  but terminal stuff should work on like anythin
[20:52] <dankux297> Guys, I can't delete these annoying trash in my Wastebasket titled JacobSartorious.jpg and Sweatshirt.mp3
[20:52] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: it's DO VPS, 512MB ram. it happens since few days
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator,  oh a server as well?
[20:52] <pingwindyktator> yup
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, ok faulty hardware possibly ?
[20:52] <sadme> ioria: thank you for the help so far - i'm glad to have narrowed it down this much.
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> faing hardwae?
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> failing
[20:53] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - did that.... my motherboard monitor is full of stuff... gimme a sec i'll post
[20:53] <Pici> pingwindyktator: How are they failing?
[20:53] <ioria> sadme,  ok ....
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, Pici can probably help better
[20:53] <Pici> pingwindyktator: er, I mean, hwne are they getting killed?
[20:53] <pingwindyktator> i don't think its hardward thing. I mean - DO should handle this
[20:53] <dankux297> Can u guys suggest a really simple paint editor? Not XPaint or GIMP
[20:53] <pingwindyktator> Pici: how can I see any details? It's "Killed" showing up, nothing more
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dankux297, sure there are a  few nothing comes to min though, though except for tuxpaint
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dankux297, ok tha's more for kids, but still
[20:54] <nicomachus> dankux297: please stop asking questions in here unless they are related to Ubuntu issues.
[20:55] <OerHeks> tons of paint apps https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/department/painting/
[20:55] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om https://imbur.com/gallery/qrrjh
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: reading ^ .\
[20:55] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om https://imgur.com/gallery/qrrjh    typo...sorry
[20:56] <nuentoter> is there a way to run a program from the computer I am running a live disk from?
[20:56] <OerHeks> maybe they are available too on your debian, dankux297
[20:56] <Pici> pingwindyktator: Have you made any changes recently?
[20:57] <dankux297> And what about an Audio Editor that analyzes a .jpg into an audio file? Spectrum shiz
[20:57] <nuentoter> I would really need to run a mysql report on this pc
[20:57] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ...it showed that for a bit...then turned the monitor off...
[20:58] <dankux297> Like converting images to audio... Reason: Hidden messages
[20:58] <nuentoter> i know if i get chroot access i can do things from the install, but when I try to run a report it says i need to install those programs, but they exist on the install pc, just not on the live disk
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: We have a problem . 'init failed -110 ' write fault at XXXXXX "
[20:59] <pingwindyktator> Pici: they are security updated set up to take place automatically, nothing more
[20:59] <dankux297> Mr. Robot intensifies
[20:59] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   sounds ominous...have I borked it?
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Unfortunately, I do not have the experience with systemd (16.10) to have the knowledge to know how to deal with this. Others here will have to guide us .
[21:01] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK thanks...urgh...wish this were easier...
[21:02] <pingwindyktator> Pici: how can I see which app killes those on the screens?
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: It does not look good . But let's see what wiser heads here can advise .
[21:02] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK thx.  I'm hoping those wiser heads chime in... anytime folks...
[21:03] <Pici> pingwindyktator: I'd look at /var/log/syslog to see if anything obvious jumps out
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: systemd is a whole new ball game, and I do not know who to ping here for assitance . we see who volunteers .
[21:04] <pingwindyktator> Pici: I'll wait till next kill and look there
[21:07] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok...If it helps...I'm not averse to downgrading to 14.04 (if it won't screw it up worse)... (meanwhile I'm getting great at opening grub!)
[21:07] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Does any OS work on this machine? That error message seems like it may be the result of bad RAM.
[21:07] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U I had 14.04 working great on it for about a year...then yesterday, the system said it needed a re-boot ...and its been broke ever since
[21:08] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U and of course it seems to work from LiveStick fine too....
[21:08] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: can't hurt to try a memtest anyway
[21:09] <Lorne2016> nicomachus  great.. how do I do that from grub?
[21:09] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: should be an option listed that says "memtest86" or something like that
[21:10] <Lorne2016> nicomachus nope.  I see only 3 options Ubuntu, Advanced Options, System Setup ... (and system setup doesn't work)
[21:10] <nicomachus> check under advanced options
[21:10] <nicomachus> I don't remember where it is... haven't seen Grub in awhile
[21:11] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: Lorne2016: Unfortunately memtest86+ doesn't support UEFI. You can try memtester from your system booted via LiveUSB, but the liveUSB working fine suggests my hypothesis was incorrect.
[21:11] <nicomachus> ah
[21:11] <nicomachus> TIL
[21:11] <pingwindyktator> Pici: Out of memory: Kill process 26449 (weechat)
[21:11] <pingwindyktator> well..
[21:11] <guest1110101> Okay now that my installation is done, it had me restart and eject disk. now I'm faced with a minimal bash like line
[21:11] <guest1110101>  it says grub>
[21:11] <nicomachus> pingwindyktator: sounds like you need to download more ram
[21:11] <guest1110101> what am I supposed to download with this??
[21:11] <guest1110101> do now download..
[21:12] <guest1110101> not.. hmm..
[21:12] <Lorne2016> Might "recovery mode" help something?.... I'm poking around the grub...and it sounds promising...
[21:12] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Definitely worth a try.
[21:12] <simulated> What is the purpose of dleyna-renderer?
[21:13] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  any idea what the difference between upstart and recovery mode is?
[21:13] <guest1110101> nichomachus: what do I do with this grub command line
[21:13] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Please boot from the Ubuntu LiveUSB, select the "try before installing" option, then run boot info script: https://github.com/arvidjaar/bootinfoscript and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces.
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Upstart boots via upstart instead of systemd, recovery mode brings you to an ncurses based menu with troubleshooting options instead of booting to a graphical session.
[21:15] <guest1110101> Jordan_U already installed it
[21:15] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I understand, but the "Try before installing" environment will give you a working system that you can run boot info script from.
[21:15] <guest1110101> not giving me that option
[21:15] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I agree, the wording of the option is a bit confusing.
[21:16] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Are you booting from the Ubuntu LiveUSB?
[21:16] <guest1110101> no its not.. I have my own exp.. I just want to know what to do to finish setting up the grub dual boot
[21:16] <guest1110101> I used a *CD and am booting from a 128gb USB
[21:17] <brixtol> hi, there is a way to archive a folder with ";" in the folder name? (ex. "path\to\folder\bkp 2016-12-09 20;05;18\data.dat")
[21:18] <guest1110101> usually if I do a full wipe and have one of per disk I'm golden.. this time I opted for dual boot in the boot manager
[21:18] <guest1110101> but.. usb and ssd..
[21:18] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: OK, please boot from the Ubuntu LiveCD and follow the rest of the instructions I gave.
[21:18] <guest1110101> it won't let me.. since it does not, what do you recc9mmend.
[21:19] <guest1110101> darned "smart phone" keyboard..
[21:19] <guest1110101> buddy?
[21:20] <ekkis> greetings everyone.  I've just upgraded and now the OS won't load.  I get a kernel panic "not syncing - Attempted to kill init!"
[21:21] <ekkis> the OS is run under VMWare on a MacBook Pro and I think the installation crashed because the laptop froze
[21:21] <ekkis> what can I do now?
[21:21] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I don't understand. Are you having a problem booting from the LiveCD? (The same CD you just installed from)
[21:22] <guest1110101> it's not letting me "try it out" that button is faded out this time around :)
[21:22] <mikeymop> is there anything I can do to improve the bt stack in 16.04?
[21:22] <mikeymop> i have a dell bt mouse, to use with my xps 13 and it either disconnects when it idles or it doesn't conect at all
[21:22] <mikeymop> it works great when tis' connected, but once it DCs i have to turn on and off bt on bot hthe laptop and the device to coerce it into pairing again
[21:23] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   It occurs to me - I haven't tried adding nomodeset to a regular startup... can you pls help me try that?
[21:23] <fub> Hi. So I have configured and paired my bluetooth headset. Blueman shows me it is connected, however when I play sound, it's over the speakers and not the headset
[21:23] <fub> where do I set this?
[21:23] <fub> (I'm running ubuntu with i3wm and not gnome)
[21:23] <mikeymop> teh audio drop down menu from the panel is the easier
[21:23] <mikeymop> oh
[21:24] <guest1110101> ekkis: do you mean you upgraded your mac OS or ubuntu
[21:24] <ekkis> I upgraded Ubuntu
[21:24] <howarth> Is there a feature in apt-get that lets you identify which packages that are installed don't belong to any currently configured repo?
[21:25] <fub> mikeymop, any other idea?
[21:25] <nicomachus> fub: one sec, trying to remember the command to open the sound settings panel from terminal
[21:25] <guest1110101> ekkis: hopefully you have a backup of your files in the vm.. you can easily try to wipe and reinstall.. it's not recommended to upgrade even if it's an option
[21:26] <ekkis> guest1110101: it's not recommended to upgrade?? but the system recommended it.  I just clicked ok
[21:26] <guest1110101> ekkis: try to install the latest version normally instead of using an upgrade. I promise you that this will save you a lot of headaches
[21:26] <nicomachus> fub: try unity-control-center
[21:26] <nicomachus> honestly not sure if that works in i3 or not
[21:26] <guest1110101> ekkis: I know.. this ubuntu is one headache after another..
[21:26] <ekkis> guest1110101: you mean install over an existing installation?
[21:26] <guest1110101> yeah.. that..
[21:27] <fub> nicomachus, I have to install the whole gnome stuff then :/
[21:27] <ekkis> guest1110101: this is the first time I deal with it.  I come from Redhat/Fedora
[21:27] <ekkis> but Fedora's finished
[21:27] <guest1110101> go back x3
[21:27] <nicomachus> fub: ok, hold on.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Can you take a picture of this greyed out "try Ubuntu" option with a phone and post it for us to see?
[21:27] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | guest1110101
[21:27] <howarth> In particular I am thinking of the apt-get equivalent to 'yum list extras'
[21:28] <Sellerie> hello
[21:28] <Sellerie> whats up
[21:28] <howarth> which shows you all the installed packages that don't exist in the current repos
[21:28] <xangua> fub: how are you controlling pulseaudio?
[21:28] <guest1110101> I can't do that lol, but I can take a picture with multiple phone.
[21:28] <Sellerie> can anyone tell me how to update wifi driver without messing everything up?
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sellerie, nm u
[21:28] <howarth> does apt-get have an equivalent?
[21:28] <mikeymop> guest1110101: i usually wipe the .files in my /home when reinstlaling on top
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Sure . But that failure on the initiate system bothers me a bunch .. And I have complete confidence in Jordan_U . I do suggest you do as he has advised at this time and show him that boot-info script output.
[21:28] <nicomachus> fub: pacmd list-sinks
[21:28] <guest1110101> my.. wow..
[21:28] <guest1110101> my phone
[21:28] <nicomachus> then find your bluetooth speakers name
[21:28] <xangua> howarth: equivalent to what?
[21:28] <fub> xangua, honestly, I do not know :/ I'm setting volume up/down via pactl set-sink-volume 1 +10%
[21:29] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  hey did you ask for some output thingy?  What did you want?  (sorry, I guess I missed it)
[21:29] <nicomachus> fub: you can change the default output with pacmd set-default-sink "SINKNAME"
[21:29] <wafflejock> fub, can also try pavucontrol nice graphical interface for adjusting what input/outputs are used by pulseaudio
[21:29] <Jordan_U> howarth: aptitude search ~o
[21:29] <xangua> fub: you can install pavucontrol and should be able to select your headphones as output
[21:29] <nicomachus> fub: yea, wafflejock has a good suggestion with pavucontrol
[21:29] <howarth> thanks
[21:30] <fub> this looks nice, it's already installed. however the headset is not in there
[21:30] <EriC^^> when it says Ultra XVID Codex Pack.exe in a torrent and something.avi, does it mean i'll be able to watch it using vlc on ubuntu?
[21:30] <ekkis> guest1110101: f*ck.  I explicitly removed the VM images from my backup
[21:30] <ekkis> so now I can't restore
[21:30] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Do you mean the error I showed you already, or did he ask for some new output?
[21:30] <xangua> fub: how about in the last tab?
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, no
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: ah really?
[21:31] <EriC^^> damn
[21:31] <howarth> thanks, so I assume all the new features are going into aptitude rather than apt-get
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: any solution?
[21:31] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: No. I asked a different user for boot info script output. Did recovery mode get you anywhere?
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, exe files don't usally work in ubuntu there is a way, but uh
[21:31] <howarth> in that case, it is surprising that the Live 16.10 doesn't install it
[21:31] <nicomachus> EriC^^: should be able to watch .avi in VLC
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, you want normal codecs it seems
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah i know, i mean vlc can't play without having that codec stuff installed?
[21:31] <fub> xangua, yeah, it's in there
[21:31] <nicomachus> without installing codecs
[21:32] <EriC^^> the torrent has a file called "Ultra XVid Codec Pack.exe"
[21:32] <howarth> FYI, I am interested because I finally gave up on getting the current Ubuntu installers to install on a MacBook Pro 2006
[21:32] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U no - recovery mode didn't help... I need to take kid#1 to ballet class.. I'll be back in 30 mins... then (if you're here) you can walk me thru that
[21:32] <howarth> however I found that the Debian multiarch ones worked fine
[21:32] <nicomachus> EriC^^: AFAIK that's usually for Windows users that need the codec to play it.
[21:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, apparanly according to nicomachus should work without, but won't hurt running this anyway:  sudo apt-get installl ubuntu-restricted-codecs
[21:32] <nicomachus> EriC^^: also, pirating is bad, mmmkay :D
[21:32] <fub> xangua, under "output devices" I can see "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo", with two options: Line Out (plugged in) and Headphones (unplugged)
[21:32] <OerHeks> EriC^^, that codec stuff delivered with a torrent is fake, malware maybe lolz
[21:32] <EriC^^> ok, i'll download it and report back if it doesn't work
[21:32] <xangua> fub: are you sure they are detected as headphones in Bluetooth?
[21:32] <howarth> so I am swapping out the /etc/apt and doing a dist-upgrade followed by removal of all packages not in ubuntu
[21:32] <EriC^^> OerHeks: lol yeah i bet
[21:33] <fub> xangua, yeah blueman tells me this.
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, don't use some Windowsey torent as well
[21:33] <fub> xangua, it's also in the last tab under "configuration"
[21:33] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: That's most likely a Windows trojan combined with an unplayable video (to trick you into installing the Windows trojan to be able to play it).
[21:33] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: alright thanks
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, oh and the Wndows VLC probably works in Wine, but the Linux one can do what you want
[21:33] <EriC^^> Jordan_U: wow, that's pretty ingenius
[21:33] <fub> xangua, http://i.imgur.com/1ExEneB.png
[21:34] <OerHeks> EriC^^, maybe it works in wine 2.0 https://www.winehq.org/announce/2.0-rc1
[21:34] <howarth> I still need to puzzle out what Ubuntu is doing wrong here to cope with the EFI-32 firmware on that hardware
[21:34] <EriC^^> the same torrent keeps coming up, i'll download it and see
[21:34] <sol0> Hi all,
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, forge about random torret fll sotp
[21:35] <howarth> however both the stock Fedora Live x86_64 DVD and the debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso from a USB key works fine
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, malware is malware, even win could get effecte by it to an extent
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, forget about random torrent full stop, correcting that
[21:36] <fuddie> Hello! I need some helP. When i Press my lowercase "P" key it doesnt do anything. I belive that i have somehow created a keyboard shortcut that is being triggered by my lowercase "P", because they key works just find on other user accounts. I am need to know how i can find and get rid of this keybinding.
[21:36] <sol0> my google-chrome icon in system tray sometimes becomes this weird icon. I don't know what's causing it. Any ideas? -> http://imgur.com/a/6AQfc
[21:37] <sol0> fuddie: did you try looking in keyboard settings?
[21:37] <fub> xangua, found the problem, I had to change to A2DP in blueman
[21:38] <fub> is it possible to set all output streams to a specific sink?
[21:38] <fub> because I ahve to do this in pavucontrol for each app by its own now
[21:38] <fuddie> sol0: Yes, i did. but i cannot find it in the binding in keyboard settings. If i try to hijack the binding so i can delete it, gnome wont let me do that because it would make normal tyPing imPossible
[21:38] <fub> also the system volume is not the volume for the headset
[21:39] <nicomachus> fub: you can change the default output with pacmd set-default-sink "SINKNAME"
[21:39] <nicomachus> and you'll have a different volume setting for different outputs
[21:39] <EriC^^> fuddie: try xmodmap -pke
[21:39] <fub> nicomachus, so no way to have one volume setting for all?
[21:40] <nicomachus> fub: no. that's generally a bad idea anyway... don't wanna blow my ears out by having my headphones be full volume when I plug them in.
[21:40] <fub> nicomachus, thats right, but then I cant use keyboard controls to change volume on the headset
[21:40] <sol0> fuddie: why don't you create new keybinding with 'p' and then delete it? If gnome settings doesn't allow you to bind p, try dconf-editor.
[21:40] <nicomachus> you can once it's the default output
[21:40] <nicomachus> fub ^
[21:40] <fub> oh, okay
[21:40] <fuddie> EriC^^: xmodmaP will tell me the keycodes, how do i find out the keycode for 'P'?
[21:40] <fub> nicomachus, how?
[21:41] <nicomachus> not even default, actually. keyboard media keys should always control the ACTIVE output sink.
[21:41] <fub> I'm currently changing sound with bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec --no-startup-id pactl set-sink-volume 1 +10% #increase sound volume
[21:41] <EriC^^> fuddie: it's 33 , xev helps with that
[21:41] <fub> so I guess this only changes sound volume for the first sink
[21:41] <fuddie> > keycode  33 = p P p P
[21:41] <EriC^^> fuddie: looks good
[21:42] <EriC^^> what happens in xev when you press p
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: yea, you'll have to find your sink number for the other sinks to do it that way. or change your keybind to adjust both/all
[21:42] <fuddie> well it dosnt work xD
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: pacmd list-sinks
[21:42] <howarth> sweet, I just notice that the Ubuntu sources.list is aready configured as mult-arch
[21:42] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Were you able to take that picture and upload it anywhere?
[21:42] <nicomachus> then find your bluetooth speakers name
[21:42] <fub> nicomachus, 1 is my cable, 2 is my headset
[21:42] <fub> (index number 1 and 2)
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: so make your script cover both 1 and 2
[21:43] <fub> ok
[21:43] <fiveflowerzz> Hi! What is the default desktop that came with 14.04?
[21:43] <nicomachus> fiveflowerzz: unity
[21:43] <fiveflowerzz> It didn't require login, it autoatmically started dekstop
[21:44] <nicomachus> it did require login. unless you disabled that.
[21:44] <fiveflowerzz> I probably disabled that
[21:44] <Jordan_U> fiveflowerzz: You can configure automatic login with pretty much any DE, and none has automatic login by default (in any release of Ubuntu).
[21:45] <nicomachus> and the "login screen" (lightdm in Ubuntu) doesn't have anything to do with the DE anyway.
[21:45] <nicomachus> I use lightdm with Unity, i3, and MATE
[21:45] <fuddie> EriC^^: here is xev event when i use "P' https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605272/
[21:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I prefer LXDM :)
[21:46] <fiveflowerzz> What is the link between LightDM / unity ?
[21:46] <engpy> Btw I have problem with Ubuntu wifi connection. When it sleeps/hibernate I lose wifi Internet connection and its list I have to relog in orter to get my wifi list back. How can I fix it?
[21:46] <EriC^^> fuddie: that doesn't seem like what it's supposed to do
[21:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, there should always be a log in screen really a display manage
[21:46] <fuddie> EriC^^: what is wrong with it then?
[21:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Light DM is default for that, and unit default as interface
[21:47] <EriC^^> fuddie: this is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/23605283/
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, other than that not much of a link reallly, except for how Canonical created them both
[21:47] <fiveflowerzz> SebthreeBQM10HD: sorry, i didn't get it, is Unity a layer on top of LightDM or something different?
[21:47] <nicomachus> fiveflowerzz: your display manager (lightdm) managers which desktop environment (Unity, i3, awesome, MATE, etc) you are launching
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Unity is realy an alternative shell on top o GNOME  3 instead of there one
[21:47] <nicomachus> s/managers/manages/
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !unity
[21:47] <fiveflowerzz> so it's two different layers?
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !lightdm
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !dm
[21:47] <EriC^^> fuddie: do the other keys say like mine does?
[21:48] <fuddie> yes
[21:48] <fiveflowerzz> oh i'm lost.... Gnome Unity LightDM ? Which one is on top of which one?
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, a log in screen can be used to log into other interfaces as well such as GNOME, KDE, etc, but by defaut you only got Unity in 14.04
[21:48] <nicomachus> Unity is on top of LightDM. Gnome is an alternative to Unity. Unity is kind of a fork of Gnome.
[21:48] <EriC^^> fuddie: make a new user account i'd say
[21:48] <fuddie> EriC^^: a new user works correctly
[21:49] <EriC^^> fuddie: or search your home dir for anything related to keycode 33 maybe
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Unity is used instead of the default GNOME 3 interface in 14.04 etc
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, in the background it's GNOME 3 or mostly
[21:49] <EriC^^> fuddie: copy your stuff to the new user, it's easier
[21:49] <fuddie> yeah i guess that would work as a last resort
[21:49] <EriC^^> move your stuff, delete the account, recreate it then move the stuff back
[21:50] <fiveflowerzz> So the lower layer is LightDM, then on top of that you can put Gnome or Unity, is that correct?
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !gnome
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !kde
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, the two main ones are GNOME and KDE
[21:50] <EriC^^> i've found it to be a pain in the butt when user configs go south, especially with compiz stuff
[21:50] <Cuzner> !windowmaker
[21:50] <EriC^^> i just recreate the account when it happens
[21:50] <Cuzner> WAT?! no windowmaker? :P
[21:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, no LightDM is just one of the  many log in screens
[21:52] <Cuzner> !i3wm
[21:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, to log into an interface  you usually need a log in sceen such as lightdm
[21:53] <fuddie> OK
[21:54] <fuddie> i got it EriC^^ & etc, i just have to disable gnome-media-keys
[21:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, an interace would be Unity,  or GNOME Shell, or Plasma what kde uses, or could be many more even
[21:54] <EriC^^> fuddie: cool
[21:55] <willsketchupwork> my keyboard and track pad don't work. The laptop shut off and they stopped working. maybe because it overheated or something. I know for a fact the keyboard works when it is booting up but not after.
[21:55] <donofrio> #xfceforever ;)
[21:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> donofrio, I don't like XFCe mch
[21:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> much
[21:56] <donofrio> LMDE is good too fwiw
[21:56] <donofrio> I like speed not eye candy ;)
[21:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot > donofrio
[21:57] <donofrio> I don'y do PM's sorry
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot
[21:58] <donofrio> not really did anyone bring up the cruff of unity-lens-ads?
[21:58] <fuddie> Thanks for the help with my technical issue everybody! goodbye.
[22:00] <nicomachus> donofrio: they are no longer enabled by default.
[22:01] <donofrio> nicomachus, is unity-lens-music still around, just don't like the idea of clanical gropping my searchs from the unity interface hence LDME to the rescue
[22:01] <nicomachus> !unity-lens-music
[22:01] <_Sym_> I have this problem with nautilus freezing up sometimes when I use my physical delete key to delete files.  I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.  Does anyone else have this problem?
[22:01] <nicomachus> err...
[22:01] <nicomachus> !info unity-lens-music
[22:02] <rangemonger> damn, sellerie is gone
[22:02] <donofrio> older version it was not optional is all I was saying....
[22:02] <nicomachus> yea I'm not sure about now. They made most of the lens stuff disabled by default in 16.04 (or maybe 15.10?), so I stopped worrying abou tit.
[22:02] <nicomachus> about it*
[22:03] <_Sym_> Is there an easy way to update nautilus to a newer release on 16.04?
[22:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, no
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, might be a ppa somehere, but that would b likely to do othe things to, so let' just say no
[22:04] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, i didnt want to change that much
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, there are other file mangers you could install thogh from other interfaces
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, uhmm XFCE has Thunar,  KDE has Dolphin or Konquerrer
[22:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Konquerer however it's spelt
[22:05] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, but I have lots of scripts I use in nautilus
[22:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, Thunar is quie similar to Nautilus as is Dolphin I guess, but less so
[22:05] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, Thunar is an option that supports scripts
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, you could do sudo apt-get install thunar   it would want to pt some  other XFCE stuff on probably, but woudn't be a s bad as anything from KDE, if you don't have KDE stuff on already
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, Thunar is a good alternative I would say in general, an that's quite simila to Nautilus
[22:06] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, I only have the default gnome
[22:06] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, that is a good suggestion
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, well you could do the whole of XFCE/Xubuntu i you wanted which would do Thunar and more up to you
[22:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, or just install thunar and it's dependances
[22:08] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, I think I just want Thunar.  I guess Nautilus has lots of issues.
[22:08] <ewerton> ola / hello
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, they have a older version in 16.04
[22:08] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U ok - I'm back...
[22:08] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, that is too bad they did not update it for the LTS
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  sudo apt-get install thunar
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that should do it
[22:09] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, and the script configuration tool for Thunar
[22:09] <fub> nicomachus, bad, the indexes change
[22:09] <ewerton> Ubuntu mate or xubuntu for steam games? someone can answer me?
[22:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, I don't know about scripts, bu you put Thunar culd do scripts as well so
[22:09] <fub> so I need to use the names
[22:09] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, Thunar supports scripts too
[22:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, uh either. steam willl work on any ubuntu etc
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  oh  I forgot something, thre's the mate one to, cuja or whaever
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, the  fork of the old GNOME 2 Nautilus
[22:11] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, I think I need to stick with the latest LTS because I'm using it for android development.  Any other version would probably introduce some build issues for me.
[22:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, but installng that would want to install at least some mate suff of course,  or you do the whole of ubuntu gnome your choce agian
[22:11] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  you asked a different user for boot info script output...I'm at GNU GRUB 2.02 menu screen....how do I get you what you need?
[22:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, can log into different interfaces from log in screen
[22:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, fine well,  cuja or whatever frm mate, or thunar, or install both
[22:12] <ewerton> Yes, but I notice difference between some DEs, some tearing, I've heard that I should use a ubuntu that uses xorg, does ubuntu mate use marco, and not xorg, or am I wrong?
[22:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, altogh nautilus should work really but whateever
[22:12] <rangemonger> ewerton: is it because compositting is on?
[22:12] <nicomachus> ewerton: I think MATE uses wayland...
[22:12] <rangemonger> none use wayland yet
[22:12] <nicomachus> errr... mir
[22:12] <rangemonger> not by default
[22:13] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, Nautilus works fine most of the time. It just locks up sometimes when I use the actual delete key to delete files.  If I right click and select delete, then its always fine.  That is the only issue I'm having.
[22:13] <nicomachus> ignore me
[22:13] <rangemonger> standard ubuntu will use mir in the future but for now, all ubuntus use xorg
[22:13] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: ewerton: MATE doesn't support Mir or Wayland at all.
[22:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton,   nicomachus  no all Ubuntu's on the desktop computer are xorg or now, but like with the tablet and phone by say Ubuntu 18.04 LTS should be using mir by deault if haven't already
[22:13] <ewerton> mate uses marco
[22:13] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: oh. well I don't support MATE, so I guess that explains why I have no idea what I'm talking about.
[22:13] <rangemonger> mates still xorg
[22:14] <rangemonger> most likely every linux youved used is xorg
[22:14] <nicomachus> nah
[22:14] <nicomachus> unity 8 is mir
[22:14] <rangemonger> android being the exception
[22:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but most will be gong wayland soon fedora alread has,  the exception is ubuntu with mir
[22:14] <rangemonger> yeah but thats not out yet
[22:14] <rangemonger> for desktop
[22:14] <rangemonger> well, its not finalized
[22:14] <ewerton> So it makes no difference between playing games on mate or xfce, correct?
[22:14] <nicomachus> rangemonger: I'm using it right now...
[22:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, for now indeed no difference since both are run by xorg
[22:15] <rangemonger> nicomachus: well its out but its beta
[22:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, in Ubuntu
[22:15] <rangemonger> ewerton: turn compsitting off on whichever one you use for best performance on games
[22:16] <ewerton> haha, thanks :)
[22:16] <rangemonger> nicomachus: mir doesnt run on vbox yet, does it?
[22:16] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Were you using Nvidia's proprietary drivers before this problem started?
[22:16] <nicomachus> rangemonger: no it doesn't. I'm running it on my laptop that's sitting right next to me.
[22:16] <ewerton> Turn compsitting off on whichever one, will be the same result?
[22:16]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is living in the like  future  Ubuntu preview aleady with Unity 8 and Mir, since running the tablet :)  one of the tablets,  plus got two ubuntu phones  ( one intentianlly not up to date  enough by a long way though )
[22:16] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, caja
[22:17]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has OTA  14  to install on two of the three devices, but tommorow or something
[22:17] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U yes.
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Jordan_U :: what results when in grub you choose "advanced" and then select the latest 'recovery' kernel; return key to execute ?
[22:17] <rangemonger> ewerton: id imagine so, baring anything running in the background that would use up a lot of resources
[22:17] <engpy> Can anyone tell me why is there too many different Linux releases? E.g before I installed Ubuntu I wanted to try Mint not sure why I chose Ubuntu :) It is slowe than win10 on same computer - not sure if Mint is faster and doesn't require high spec PC?
[22:17] <rangemonger> nicomachus: damn, i would have fired it up right now if it did
[22:18] <nicomachus> engpy: because anyone can make a linux distro, so lots of people make different ones to fit their preferences. It's all about choice, and with linux you have lots of choices.
[22:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> engpy, there are loads of Ubuntu versions, and actsual other Linux distros as well
[22:18] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om Recovery goes to the Recovery menu ...
[22:18] <rangemonger> engpy: mint is based on ubuntu so its likely going to run about the same
[22:18] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: "resume normal boot " ?
[22:19] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, well, caja is out becaue it wants the entire mate desktop as a dependency
[22:19] <engpy> ah I see... Thanks :)
[22:19] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - trying that now...
[22:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, ok try thunar then
[22:19] <nicomachus> engpy: you can even build your own linux install from scratch, if you want.
[22:19] <nicomachus> !LFS
[22:19] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, i'm gonna give that a try, thanks
[22:19] <ewerton> My computer supports heavy games, I just bought a gtx960, but shadow of mordor works fine only "medium", dying light works fine only "minimum", this is bad port for developers?
[22:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, but that might want prety muc the whole of xfce still
[22:20] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   WOW....ok - so its up (!)...  Obviously the screen is out of proportion and ugly...but its my machine
[22:20] <nicomachus> ewerton: possible that it's a bad port. that happens too often. you might check with #gamingonlinux, they generally have a pretty good idea of which ports are bad and which ones are fixable
[22:20] <engpy> nicomachus: not really I can't - but I got your point :)
[22:20] <nicomachus> ewerton: that might be ##linuxgaming....
[22:21] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, no, thunar only wants a few xfce libs and exo libs
[22:21] <nicomachus> it's #gamingonlinux. haha
[22:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  oh ok nice, but what's exo libs ? exo ?
[22:21] <rangemonger> _Sym_: did you turn off the force suggested packages thing?
[22:21] <ewerton> ok, thanks bro
[22:22] <sol0> Hi all, my google chrome icons in system tray look strange. Any ideas? Here is how it looks- http://imgur.com/a/6AQfc
[22:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger,   not sure if it's that, probably just general depanances for caja etc
[22:22] <_Sym_> rangemonger, im not sure what you are referring to
[22:22] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Should I go to the nVidia site - and download new drivers?
[22:22] <engpy> but I have still my wifi problem is not solved - when ubuntu goes to sleep mode /hibernate I lose my wifi connection list and disconnect from internet, it requires a restart or relog...
[22:22] <_Sym_> rangemonger, oh, im only using apt-get install from command line
[22:22] <rangemonger> _Sym_: by default package managers on ubuntu treat recomended packages as required ones, this can be disabled
[22:23] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM : Jordan_U ...or should I get some output now, so you have a baseline incase the graphics drivers bork it again?
[22:23] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i think even commandline apt does this by deault
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Well . There is hope then that the issue is in the X layer . That the foundation is solid . .. NO on going to nvidia fro the driver . That is a means of last resort . we have better alternatives in ununtu .
[22:23] <engpy> is there a magical code that make my wifi never goes away?
[22:23] <Bashing-om> ubuntu*
[22:23] <_Sym_> rangemonger, ok. apt-get install is only asking to install the depends
[22:24] <rangemonger> but it might be calling suggested items as depends
[22:24] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK cool.
[22:24] <rangemonger> it just lumps them all together as depends
[22:24] <_Sym_> rangemonger, if I say "apt-cache show thunar" it shows me what the recommended packags are and they are are not included
[22:24] <nicomachus> engpy: I think that's a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[22:25] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i know but a lot of those depends might not really be depends
[22:25] <nicomachus> engpy: there may be a fix though, we can try it if you have a couple minutes and an open terminal
[22:25] <_Sym_> rangemonger, where do I look to turn that off?
[22:25] <rangemonger> i can test thunar out, i have a minimal ubuntu installed with nothing but xorg and synaptic added
[22:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rag
[22:26] <tekeli-li> I think I broke sshd
[22:26] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i cant remember how on the commandline
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger,  it was caja tht wanted the whole of mate
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he said
[22:26] <nicomachus> !details | tekeli-li
[22:26] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: while we are awaiting . lets see what the hardware is . pastebin the output of terminal command - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - .
[22:26] <thiras> any forum moderators here?
[22:26] <tekeli-li> nicomachus, thanks
[22:26] <pingwindyktator> Pici, SebthreeBQM10HD: if you are curious what heppend with killing apps on the screens: my website was under attack, apache was draining os
[22:26] <thiras> i have problem with my SSO
[22:26] <nicomachus> thiras: what do you mean? what do you need?
[22:26] <engpy> I am looking the link you gave me
[22:27] <engpy> yeh on terminal now
[22:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, oh!
[22:27] <thiras> nicomachus, i got two account now
[22:27] <rangemonger> its going to take a bit, i just uninstalled vbox
[22:27] <thiras> SSO didn't merged my old account
[22:27] <nicomachus> thiras: two accounts for what?
[22:27] <rangemonger> ill restore linux via timeshift
[22:27] <fub> nicomachus, so this bluetooth audio thing is very unstable and weird.
[22:27] <rangemonger> what would i do without timeshift
[22:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, well that could make sense, since terminal stuf does't usaully just crash etc
[22:27] <fub> it worked some minutes ago, but now I cant hear anything anymore.
[22:27] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: iptabled drop, now everything is okay. seems to be casual wordpress attack
[22:27] <nicomachus> fub: in my experience, bluetooth audio is very unstable and weird.
[22:27] <thiras> nicomachus, my nick was thiras now with the SSO i got thiras2
[22:27] <thiras> i'm pretty sure it's the same mail both has
[22:27] <fub> nicomachus, bad
[22:27] <nicomachus> thiras: ask in #freenode
[22:27] <fub> it works so flawless under OSX
[22:28] <thiras> nicomachus, i mean ubuntuforums.org
[22:28] <fub> but this is messed up
[22:28] <thiras> not the IRC
[22:28] <rangemonger> if you guys havent tried timeshift yet, i highly recommend it
[22:28] <Bashing-om> thiras: forum help is #ubuntu-forums :)
[22:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, ah ok
[22:28] <fub> My current sink is set up now at the bluez one, everything looks fine in pavucontrol, but I cant hear anything
[22:29] <ezs-floggin-pipe> No google Icon after installing that looks weird??  well if it isn't visible you think it is because it wasn't installed?
[22:29] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM its telling me grep: iEA5 no such file or directory (same for vga|3d)
[22:29] <rangemonger> _Sym_: with force recomends off, caja only installs 8 packages
[22:30] <rangemonger> ill check thunar
[22:30] <rangemonger> thunar only wants 6 packages
[22:30] <_Sym_> rangemonger, but it really depends on what you already have installed
[22:31] <_Sym_> I have the standard ubuntu 16.04
[22:31] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i told you, almost nothing, xorg, synaptic
[22:31] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: maje sure ya get the quotes on 'vga|3d' . copy and paste for best results . The command is valid as given .
[22:31] <ezs-floggin-pipe> XubUNTU IS SWEAT
[22:31] <rangemonger> xubuntu is likely the best buntu
[22:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, its ok
[22:31] <rangemonger> imo
[22:31] <rangemonger> and i like kde better
[22:32] <_Sym_> xubuntu has problems with building cyanogenmod
[22:32] <rangemonger> but xubuntu is just nice and clean
[22:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, the best no
[22:32] <nicomachus> !ot
[22:32] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I love it for how much I don't know about Linux
[22:32] <rangemonger> its a great entery point
[22:32] <howarth> Is there an option for apt-get or atitude which instructs it to use the packaged prefs over the locally installed ones?
[22:32] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI HD3600 is giving me hell though
[22:33] <_Sym_> rangemonger, i will look into that force depends option though, thanks
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ati
[22:33] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Yes
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: My results of the command: http://termbin.com/kfx6 .
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, which version of u bunt u ?
[22:33] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Ok _ i'm logging out on this computer - and logging in on the bad one... so I can copy/paste...
[22:33] <rangemonger> _sol_: cool, np
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, 16.04 has or had some ATI/AMD issues
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, certain cards not really work
[22:34] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om    OK - I did this yesterday (I think) and this was the output
[22:34] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om    OK - I did this yesterday (I think) and this was the output http://termbin.com/spml
[22:34] <howarth> ah
[22:34] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am aware of that, but I get ATI er5ror messages related to my steam errors
[22:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> howarth, ah  :d
[22:34] <howarth> http://askubuntu.com/questions/104899/make-apt-get-or-aptitude-run-with-y-but-not-prompt-for-replacement-of-configu
[22:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe,  ok don't know
[22:35] <rangemonger> _Sym_: its worth noting that after changing it you need to update the package list for it to work right
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K . see if ya can get to the login screen on the bad system and key combo crl+Alt+F1 to gain a console interface .
[22:35] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ubottu: I just need som guidance
[22:35] <rangemonger> _Sym_: also there seems to be a bug, atleasst on synaptic, that it doesnt save the option being off if you exit it
[22:36] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I'm actually on the bad system now... the screen is stretched...but I can see...and have terminal
[22:36] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Grrrr to XuBuntu for that compatability iussue
[22:37] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K. Hybrid grahics, we are making progress . what now ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[22:37] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  ...but if I'm gonna stop lightdm (?)...then I should probably go back to chat on the other machine...
[22:38] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok, did that ...it accepted it no prob...(but didn't seem to do anything)
[22:39] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: If ya boot to console from the login screen then a graphic's driver is not in the picture and the Display Manager (lightdm) is not at play either .
[22:40] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Yeah...but I'm chatting with you in a webchat ... so if I boot to console, I lose chat :)   (do you want me to chat on the other machine, like before?)
[22:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> wec
[22:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> lcome m3t
[22:42] <rangemonger> "Unable to complete install: 'internal error: Failed to load PCI stub module pciback' " anyone know anything about this? Trying to pass a pci device through on xen.
[22:42] <rangemonger> kvm passes through no problem
[22:44] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: A GUI do have it's limitations huh ? . Do not know what is best to advise in your use case .
[22:45] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  yeah - ok cool.  You said there were some ubuntu graphics drivers tha might work...how do we give those a try?
[22:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> is there any way to add more support to the ATI HD4600 using emultation like in a VM
[22:46] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   screen isn't too bad right now...just stretched...and the regular "Display" settings don't offer anything that fixes it
[22:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> HD3600 sorry
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: This is will be a poke in the dark . and without remounting will not work in "recovery mode" . tell me again how you have attained a terminal . so what we do will "stick" .
[22:49] <stevendale> Is the Ubuntu source code available?
[22:49] <tgm4883> stevendale: yes?
[22:49] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - so we got the system to boot going thru grub to recovery to continue starting (top option...boots 'normally' without graphics drivers)
[22:50] <Bashing-om> stevendale: Yes ' apt source <package> ' to get it .
[22:50] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om So I got to the login screen and I'm logged in... Mostly happy actually :)   ...
[22:50] <stevendale> Bashing-om, I meant, the source that like... the server uses to make the desktop/server/alternate isos
[22:51] <stevendale> I would like to compile custom desktop images with optimization like Intel without PAE support
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Still not sure where you are comming from .. of the 4 methods to boot the system I do not understand (confused) how you are booting ., do we "beed" to remount the file system ??
[22:53] <nicomachus> s/beed/need/?
[22:53] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM  I don't think so... I'm pretty sure that starting the system thru the Recovery Menu has resulted in the machine fully booted (except for graphics drivers)
[22:54] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I see my data...my apps...my email...all here
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: OK, booted from "recovery" you are root ! .. be very careful . Remount the file system ' mount -o remount,rw / ' (Note there is no space after the comma.). Remove the old driver ' apt purge nvidia* ; .. and install what the system chooses ' ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . reboot the system to see the effect . All good now upon the reboot ?
[23:00] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok I'm not in root...how do I get there?
[23:01] <uxfi> Lorne2016  TCAP reference?
[23:01] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Did you not just say that you are booted via the recovery console from grub ? If so then you are at a "root" interface .
[23:01] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  mount: only root can use "--options" option
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Again .. I am so confused where and how you are booted . please advise again again . It does make a difference .
[23:04] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Here's what I did : (A) Got into Grub. (B) Found the Recocvery Options Menu (C) Selected the top option (something like "Boot normally") ...and this took me to my login screen - so I logged in normally
[23:05] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Not to be short . remember I am not looking over your shoulder. You must tell me what where how things are .
[23:05] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Sure bro'!  I get it... no worries :)
[23:06] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM ...so I'm in the normal GUI interface.. (just that it looks ugly - cause its stretched)...
[23:07] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM I opened a terminal window to perform your command...and it told me only root can use options...etc...(So I think I'm not in root)
[23:07] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: OK .. let's try this .. as you seem to be at a user level interface ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  ' :)
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: ^ you will be asked for your password . enter it blindly and hit return .
[23:08] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - that's def doing something....
[23:10] <ilhami> did anyone want me? :)
[23:10] <hugospinto> hello. I have dual boot Windows 10 + ubuntu 16.04. I just shrinked my windows partition, so that I can extend my ubuntu partition. I have a EFI boot partition on the start of the HDD, but I also have a grub2 bootloader for ubuntu which I currently use primarily. How can I understand how the boot process is currently done in my pc, and what files do i need to change after I resize my ubutnu partition (to the left, so I will move t
[23:11] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK = that seemed to be working awesome... but it did encounter a couple errors... I pasted the last bit here http://pastebin.com/G0x6BBVm
[23:11] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Your message was cut off at "so I will move t".
[23:12] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Anything to worry about - or should I go ahead and try re-booting normally?
[23:12] <hugospinto> (to the left, so I will move the start of it)
[23:16] <hugospinto> Jordan_U (to the left, so I will move the start of it)
[23:16] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: look'n ^ .
[23:17] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: If you use GParted to move Ubuntu's partition to the left and to make Windows' partition smaller, and this is a UEFI based system, and you do nothing else, then you should still be able to boot fine. Always have boot media on hand just in case, and as always make sure all of your important data is backed up (moving to the left involves reading and writing a lot of data, taking a long time,
[23:17] <Jordan_U> and leaving a large window where losing power could be disastrous).
[23:18] <reisio> you'll be better off in the long run if you pick a single OS to use :p
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Yeah ., we have a situatiuon here ,, as it is UEFI out of my experience range . Jordan_U and others know . but for now . reboot and let's see how serious it is .
[23:18] <ilhami> reisio, welcome back!
[23:18] <reisio> ilhami: :)
[23:19] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - signing off...and re-booting...cya on the flipside...
[23:21] <hugospinto> Jordan_U yes I am using GParted. My question is what will happen to the grub2 bootloader which I believe is my first bootloader right now. it is placed on sda5. so if I move sda5 to the left, how will the boot process know where it is loaded?
[23:23] <willsketchupwork> my keyboard and track pad don't work. The laptop shut off and they stopped working. maybe because it overheated or something. I know for a fact the keyboard works when it is booting up but not after.
[23:33] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: UEFI firmware understands partition tables and filesystems. The first portion of grub is stored in a file, /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi . The path /boot/efi/ is a mountpoint for your EFI System Partition, which is likely not on sda5 but rather probably sda1. In your boot firmware there is an entry that says to look for the partition with a certain GPT UUID and open the file within that at
[23:33] <Jordan_U> the path EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi . Neither the UUID nor this path will be changed by resizing or moving partitions.
[23:34] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: With other tools you might have to worry about partitions being re-ordered, which might cause problems with grub, (though only if they were oddly ordered in the first place), but GParted should keep partition numbers the same as well.
[23:34] <jwr> I've got a new laptop with ubuntu preinstalled from the factory. what's the best way to take what I have now, but redo it on a fresh install so as to use full disk encryption?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> jwr: Can you figure out if the OEM modifies Ubuntu for that hardware in any way? If not, then I would just re-install normally.
[23:37] <jwr> Jordan_U: they have added some dell specific PPA's, and there's some kernel modules named "dell_laptop, dell_hotkeys" and so on. so i wouldn't be surprised if they had modified it, or at least done stuff that i wouldn't just know off the top of my head.
[23:38] <Mibix> if all my storage drives are in ntfs is there any advantage to converting them to ext4
[23:38] <Mibix> and can i even do it without data loss
[23:39] <Ben64> Mibix: ext4 is way faster in linux
[23:39] <Mibix> can you simply just convert them
[23:39] <Ben64> no
[23:39] <Jordan_U> Mibix: No way to convert from ntfs to ext4 in place. You would need to copy the data off elsewhere then copy it back.
[23:39] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am looking for a human Radeon FanBoy
[23:40] <Mibix> rgr
[23:40] <Mibix> i had a very rough start at ubuntu today lol
[23:40] <Mibix> lost 16tb
[23:40] <Ben64> how did you manage that
[23:41] <Mibix> err 15tb
[23:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> <-----Hates ATI and am not fromilar at all really outside there pasty output
[23:41] <FinalX> somehow I doubt that being Ubuntu's fault :p
[23:41] <Mibix> well a 4tb and 5tb drive i think just got corrupted from being migrated to a few OSes and changing controllers
[23:41] <FinalX> well that latter part sounds far more likely :p
[23:41] <hugospinto> Jordan_U so when I use the grub bootloader it is in fact using the UEFI firmware first? but then wouldn't the entry for EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi have to change its location?
[23:42] <Mibix> the 6tb raid 1 array in windows got shafted by ubuntu
[23:42] <Mibix> i disabled mirroring before
[23:42] <Mibix> still hated the simple volumes
[23:42] <FinalX> Ubuntu doesn't touch any disk unless told to do so.
[23:42] <Mibix> yeah well
[23:42] <Mibix> :p
[23:43] <Mibix> it somehow turned my 6tb partition in to 1.84gb in windows
[23:43] <Mibix> it should be alright though
[23:43] <Mibix> just going to take a couple days to recover
[23:44] <ezs-floggin-pipe> So no Radeon Pro's
[23:44] <Mibix> the 9tb i lost is easily replacable
[23:44] <Mibix> but i need to recover that 6tb
[23:45] <Mibix> i had been having a lot of trouble with download speeds on windows server 2016
[23:45] <Mibix> switched to ubuntu and tested
[23:45] <Mibix> it should be worth all this trouble
[23:45] <jwr> ezs-floggin-pipe: you'll do better if you just ask your question, instead of asking who you should ask. that said, i am not a radeon person myself.
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I had maybe you weren't here
[23:46] <Mibix> my encrypted downloads were 3x as fast in ubuntu
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Still it is a video card how many qwestions could there be  lol
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I need help getting it installed
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> none of the launchers I have gone threw see to open any installation process
[23:47] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: All computers start by running their boot firmware, and that's been true since the dawn of the PC.
[23:47] <Ben64> ezs-floggin-pipe: explain the issue in detail
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> it won't install
[23:47] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: The start sector of the partition isn't what's used to find the partition, the GPT UUID is.
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> <----windows user mostly
[23:48] <Mibix> ezs-floggin-pipe is there a driver for you card for ubuntu?
[23:48] <Mibix> do you have ipmi?
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI provided it to me on there site
[23:48] <jwr> ezs-floggin-pipe: I tried these specific steps, and got this specific error message. stuff like that.
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> however Steam won't open because of the Video
[23:48] <Mibix> steam on linux
[23:48]  * Mibix runs away
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I think, I don't know how to look it up in Linux builds
[23:49] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Steam platform works with exceptable performand
[23:50] <ezs-floggin-pipe> performance**  the Steam boxes are Linux and they work well
[23:51] <Mibix> ya i just know nothing about them
[23:51] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Windows is better for it for now, but that is because of developer support
[23:52] <jwr> super basic, but have you tried your system settings -> software and updates -> additional drivers, and see if there's a driver available. might just be a point and clicky solution waiting for you.
[23:52] <Mibix> jwr that is what i had to do for mine
[23:52] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Yeah it doesn't show up anywhere there
[23:52] <Ben64> ezs-floggin-pipe: again, explain in detail the issue
[23:52] <Mibix> i couldnt see anything through the monitor, had to use IPMI
[23:53] <ezs-floggin-pipe> it won't install. right clicked threw all the files on all the Launchers and Software packages
[23:53] <Ben64> verb: detail;    1.    describe item by item; give the full particulars of.
[23:53] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am not fromilar with terminal services in Linux though.  With that said I am just lacking experience in the command lines
[23:54] <hugospinto> Jordan_U I see. so the UEFI firmware is able to find the location of the grub2 bootloader within my partition
[23:54] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI HD3600
[23:54] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Yes.
[23:54] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I have gotten steam to produce DIAG notices on launch though
[23:55] <ezs-floggin-pipe> these Notices will only show on boot though
[23:55] <Mibix> ezs-floggin-pipe http://askubuntu.com/questions/306043/ati-radeon-hd-3600-driver-for-ubuntu
[23:55] <Mibix> ?
[23:56] <tomreyn> just use the open source driver
[23:57] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Let's just be absolutely sure that you are using UEFI. Please pastebin the output of "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS".
[23:58] <hugospinto> Jordan_U http://pastebin.com/NHg1rLB7
[23:59] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Great, you are using UEFI.