[00:01] There seems to be some stray iconv things in libcxxtools-dev [00:01] i'm pretty sure it's gnulibs [00:01] i'm testing the theory now [00:02] given the website and the goat I agree [00:03] this is further proof it IS gnu/linux [00:03] EEWW [00:03] Shush with your terminology [00:03] It's Linux. [00:03] JUST Linux. [00:03] but it has gnulibs [00:03] L I N U X. No slash. No animal. [00:04] and gnucoreutils [00:04] and gnu---- XD [00:05] all hail the gnu! hurd forevar [00:05] "Recently, the arrival of desktop Linux (and, no, I refuse to say GNU/Linux as much I refuse to say GNU/X/OpenBox/LXDE instead of Lubuntu) was announced." -Walter Lapchynski [00:08] hurd forever [00:08] hahahahahah [00:08] wxl: are we there yet? [00:08] clivejo: with hurd? no. give it about 10,000 more years. [00:08] clivejo: with kexi? no. still building. [00:08] with kexi! [00:08] clivejo: with desktop Linux? yeah. long time ago. [00:09] since 2001 for me [00:09] i'd say that's probably about accurate [00:10] about half of my machines have been dual-boot with windows, but I never logged into the windows [00:10] so eventually it always got disappeared [00:11] ew dual boot [00:12] clivejo: lol [00:12] well I always intend to check out building or using KDE apps on windows [00:12] but..... [00:13] only so much time in every day [00:13] yeah [00:13] but then you'd have to actually use it [00:14] so true [00:14] at that point just do a windows vm [00:14] that involves installing windows [00:15] oh yeah [00:15] which .... [00:15] well [00:15] nevermind XD [00:18] k word on the street is that it's already in glibc, so should be good [00:18] darn thing failed again tho [00:18] usr/share/locale issues [00:19] getting there! [00:49] wxl: are we there yet? [00:49] almost [00:52] clivejo: are we sure this is right? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kexi/commit/debian/kexi-l10n.install?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=c4e577d12fa56fca69dc71ccc09a16d2a97a7de3 [00:53] cuz that's the problem [00:54] https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605897/ [00:54] dh_install: kexi-l10n missing files: usr/share/locale/ [00:59] * wxl wishes cgit had a blame [01:00] can't you git-blame #commit# ? [01:00] no matter where you get it from [01:00] https://github.com/blog/228-playing-the-blame-game [01:01] and yes i can do it with git-blame but it's nice to be able to brwose around [01:01] I get your point [01:02] file a bug with cgit! [01:03] success [01:04] so if we DO NOT build kexi-l10n, we're good [01:05] l10n is a pain in the backside [01:05] do you have any suggestions? [01:05] yes, force everyone to speak English [01:05] hahahah [01:06] booo [01:06] so maybe i should just push this as is with kexi-l10n.install commented out? [01:06] for some reason languages arent stored in git master [01:06] maybe a #TODO FIXME DARNIT [01:06] ? [01:06] XD [01:06] they stored separate on some magic server somewhere [01:07] they aren't stored in git master because the translators don't get the strings until the freeze before release [01:07] string freeze [01:07] but the release tar balls are spun with them included [01:07] exactly, they are in SVN because reasons [01:07] so we still need those packages [01:08] magic server from the past..... [01:08] so i should leave it messed up? [01:08] is it causing a lintian error? [01:08] no [01:08] whats it doing? [01:09] https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605897/ [01:10] I guess comment it out, and we'll need to undo that for release [01:10] k [01:10] should i made a note undo at release? [01:11] Im not sure how they intend to do it [01:11] they used to have a huge calligra l10n package [01:11] but now they split out kexi and krita I dont know how that is going to work [01:12] seems like a question for the distributions list? [01:12] everyone will have the same question [01:12] you could try packaging 2.99.90 [01:12] http://download.kde.org/unstable/kexi/src/ [01:13] you want an MP for this? [01:13] and all the distros will appreciate clarification [01:13] see if the l10n files are in the release tarball [01:14] wxl: would be a good test if uscan works :) [01:14] there's po's in there [01:14] any tinky winky's? [01:15] i guess for now i'm going to push this as is [01:15] rofl [01:15] oh boy, clivejo :) [01:15] i'll work on packaging this in a bit [01:15] i gotta go see my mother in law who just got out of surgery [01:15] you want an MP, clivejo ? [01:16] wxl: package up that beta with your current packaging and throw it at one of your PPA's [01:16] yep [01:16] will do [01:16] but meanwhile.. XD [01:16] I think you could just push it [01:16] we have discussed all the changes? [01:16] i did two things: [01:17] 1. added glib [01:17] (as a build-depends) [01:17] 2. commented out kde-l10n [01:17] 3. Chnagelog? [01:17] i guess i should, shouldn't i [01:17] * clivejo nods [01:19] actually that version number is wrong :( [01:19] ..1? [01:19] its .90 not 91 :( [01:20] uh oh you messed up you messed up you messed up XD [01:20] how od we fix that?> [01:20] oh wait [01:20] they must have respun [01:20] http://download.kde.org/unstable/kexi/src/ [01:21] so... [01:21] push? [01:21] 2.99.90 and 2.99.91 [01:21] yeah [01:21] done [01:21] so [01:21] grab 91 and give it a go in a ppa [01:21] i'll do that when i'm back from the hospital [01:21] * clivejo nods [01:22] if you get time [01:22] * clivejo wonders how Neon handle l10n stuffs [01:22] well [01:22] that's where i'm confused [01:22] their kexi doesn't have a kexi-l10n [01:22] they don't do it for unstable [01:22] but your commit that added that says you got help from them [01:23] only for released stuff [01:23] oh there you go then [01:23] because of the issue you encountered [01:23] Haruld probably has a magic unicorn that lays l10n packages [01:24] he may personally speak all the languages! [01:24] k talk so [01:25] on [01:25] :) [01:25] * valorie goes off to find pizza [01:25] * clivejo falls around looking for more JD [01:32] hi DarinMiller [01:33] Hey clivejo! [01:33] how are you? [01:34] I am quite fine now that the weekend is here! And you? [01:34] little drunk :) [01:35] Very good ... :) [01:36] Spinning up ZZ install after reading thru some the action here today... [01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #9: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/9/ [01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #13: STILL FAILING in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/13/ [01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #9: STILL FAILING in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/9/ [01:46] ooo lintian [01:46] * clivejo shakes head [01:47] * DarinMiller does not speak lintian yet .... thinks chinese might be easier.... [01:51] its rather annoying [01:51] failed that package because lintian is too "new" [01:52] zz install and updates went well. The Driver Manager struggled though and enventually failed. I selected new driver option and Intel microcode; hit apply and menu would re-arrange itself without installing anything. After 3rd try, I installed Nvidia and microcode from command line without issue. [01:53] Which package has lintian that is too new? [01:54] kexi [01:55] Oh yeah, new toys coming ....! ATTENTION - ACHTUNG ! [01:56] well it will be much the same, only faster :) [01:59] I search the console output for "fail", "error" and lintian. Could not find any of the above. How does one find a lintian error? [01:59] its the build log [02:00] http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/13/ [02:00] amd64 on the left hand side [02:00] === Start lintian [02:00] Oh, I clicked on build 14. Is 14 the build in progress? [02:00] yes [02:01] when it failes, KCI automatically retries it [02:01] it failed the package because of E: kexi source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: libmysqlclient-dev => default-libmysqlclient-dev [02:01] I was wondering why the left hand links were strange? [02:02] ! [02:03] you can also click on Parsed Console [02:03] that will show you a traffic light of the errors and warnings [02:04] * DarinMiller Does like the parsed console window... have to run browser full screen to make it readable.... [02:04] Trafic light should be across the top..... (maybe I can fix one day...) [02:08] So is something missing from here: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/ that's causing it to fail? [02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #14: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/14/ [02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #10: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/10/ [02:09] !info default-libmysqlclient-dev [02:09] Package default-libmysqlclient-dev does not exist in yakkety [02:09] !info default-libmysqlclient-dev zesty [02:09] default-libmysqlclient-dev (source: mysql-defaults): MySQL database development files (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 3 kB, installed size 9 kB [02:10] its a new package that should replace libmysqlclient-dev [02:10] but XX and YY dont have it, so we used the old name libmysqlclient-dev in the control file [02:10] but lintian has versions [02:11] and the newer versions know about this change and complain if you use the old name [02:13] in xenial, it doesnt know about the new standand and is using an old version [02:13] W: kexi source: newer-standards-version 3.9.8 (current is 3.9.7) [02:19] DarinMiller: how far did you and Simon get with kdevelop? [02:19] Ohai [02:19] Deps are fun [02:23] clivejo: we attempted to compile but we were missing a ppa or 2. [02:24] a ppa? [02:24] s/a ppa or 2/some deps/ [02:24] ah [02:25] you have to build them first :P [02:25] I know. I was tired and gave up. :P [02:25] the deps were not in ppa? [02:25] like building a lego house [02:26] Rule #1: Never build a lego house around Max. :P [02:26] well you should build them to 5.0.2 [02:26] so they dep wait on the newer ones [02:26] why not 5.0.3? [02:26] oh sorry [02:26] thats what I meant [02:27] vg [02:28] no, he likes to help too much [02:31] tsimonq2: will you have some time this weekend to drag me thru the kdevelop build? [02:33] tsimonq2: you lost me when we encounter the dep issue and I was not able to flounder my way to a solution [02:33] encountered^ [02:34] http://postimg.org/image/50dpce7gt/ [02:34] wxl: ^^ [02:34] Sure Darin [02:36] tsimonq2: Cool, let me know what time works for you. It's snowy here this weekend but not enough for skiing, so I whenever you a have a moment. [02:37] Wow, clivejo did you sleep in today (or yesterday) or are you like me and just hate going to bed? [02:38] just got carried away with packaging [02:39] wxl has been working on kexi [02:40] he added kdb to LP git, added it to KCI to build and then got kexi building using it [02:40] that a screenshot of the application running on zesty :) [02:41] so he should pat himself on the back [02:41] Nice! [02:41] even though KCI is reporting it as a failure, its not really [02:42] DarinMiller: have you a test machine? [02:43] Yes (I have too many test machines. ) [02:43] one you dont mind breaking? [02:43] * clivejo wishes he had that problem [02:43] I can always test, just let know. [02:43] my poor laptop is on its last legs! [02:44] would you do a test of KCI on zesty? [02:44] on real hardware if possible? [02:44] sure, how? [02:44] install zesty then add the KCI PPA [02:45] did kde-runtime get fixed, clivejo? [02:45] no [02:45] we just removed it [02:45] I"m wondering if I should try upgrading my travel lappy to 16.10 [02:45] as it is, pretty worthless [02:46] yakkety isnt in a good state [02:46] ok [02:46] I'm in no hurry [02:46] were did you get up to? [02:47] last I seen it was trying to install the KCI version, but I had deleted it from the PPA [02:47] Rik was telling you how to downgrade it [02:47] did that not work? [02:47] I downgraded, made no difference [02:47] etc. [02:48] lot so different tests, no difference [02:48] it never gets to SDDM, but I don't think SDDM is the problem [02:48] did you add back the KCI PPA? [02:48] * DarinMiller feels stupid. Does not know the KCI ppa of which Clive speaks. Wonders if he means https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [02:48] do a full upgrade [02:49] DarinMiller: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/ [02:49] clivejo: I tried it, then ppa-purged [02:49] no change [02:50] try adding it back [02:50] make sure you do an apt update [02:50] then a full-upgrade [02:50] so it could be something else, and kci was just coincidental [02:50] I did [02:50] I was able to successfully login to windows (for the first time) so it isn't hardware [02:50] DarinMiller: usually a VERY bad idea to add this PPA [02:51] also tried previous kernels [02:51] it will kill kittens and push your granny down the stairs given half the chance [02:51] valorie: have you proposed or anything enabled [02:52] no, but I will when I see that folks are having good success [02:52] remember, this is just 16.04 [02:52] yeah, its strange [02:52] very [02:52] cause it was working with KCI enabled [02:53] fortunately, time is not of the essence [02:53] it was! [02:53] do you remember what you did just before it broke? [02:55] no, shut it down healthy [02:55] started it up dark [02:55] we were talking about it, so I might be able to find our conversation [02:56] can you try "sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop" [02:56] I'm not fussed [02:56] that I didn't try [02:56] with KCI enabled and updated [03:00] in progress [03:00] wow, only 439 packages to update.... downloading now.... [03:00] 454 here [03:00] sounds right [03:01] using my phone for internet [03:02] #39 only 400 to go.... [03:02] DarinMiller: you dont have a fast connection? [03:03] clivejo: Friday nights are not usually fast (everyone in neighborhood probably watching netflix....) [03:03] ah [03:03] Most of the time its ok. [03:03] clivejo: what in the heck are you doing awake still? [03:03] dunno! [03:03] 63% done [03:04] Im in shock to be honest [03:04] wow, valirie has a fast phone.... [03:04] well, I'm using it to share the network [03:04] clivejo: waiting up for st. Nick? [03:04] this past few days Ive had an LTE connection on my phone [03:05] and I dont know how or why [03:06] Are you using LTE for your current internet connection? [03:06] no [03:06] WISP [03:06] Sounds kind of light weight. [03:06] wispy [03:06] very poor [03:07] but billion times faster than my old internet [03:07] down the phone line [03:08] oh yes. Phone lines were painful. [03:09] valorie: nearly there yet? [03:09] I got rid of my phone line [03:10] 19% installed [03:10] going quickly [03:10] only 47% dl'd [03:13] 56% [03:14] 9 miles of 1960's copper cable has no chance to supporting internet, gets it tight hearing an analogue voice ! [03:15] imo it should be a responsibility of a modern government to see to it that all citizens have access to modern internet [03:15] ha [03:15] not likely to happen here [03:16] our government havent a clue [03:16] yet finland does [03:16] we used to be leaders [03:16] :( [03:16] 95% [03:16] we were promised 100% broadband coverage by 2006 [03:17] Must have been a politition that promised that... [03:17] yup! [03:17] and gave millions to BT to provide it [03:18] and they just laughed and took the money [03:18] so I can no longer paste via the website -- how do I get the errors to pastebinit? [03:19] shortform: software-properties-kde is a depends, but not available [03:19] !info software-properties-kde xenial [03:19] software-properties-kde (source: software-properties): manage the repositories that you install software from (qt). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.20.4 (xenial), package size 19 kB, installed size 140 kB [03:20] what needs that? [03:20] recommends apport-kde, apturl-kde, kubuntu-driver-manager, kubuntu-notification-helper, plasma-discover and plasma-discover-updater not going to be installed [03:20] kubuntu-desktop [03:20] when I tried to re-install [03:21] did it finish? [03:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23606322/ [03:22] dl complete, installing.... [03:22] weee, figured it out [03:22] the kci/unstable went fine, no errors [03:23] valorie: try a reboot? [03:24] * wxl has an idea [03:24] :( [03:25] gets as far as the first glow of kubuntu, then goes dark [03:25] must be driver related [03:26] wxl: whats your idea? [03:26] I've never done anything special, driver-wise [03:26] crashed here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23606329/ [03:27] clivejo: use default or the not default as a build depend for kexi [03:27] kdepim-addon breaks kmail. [03:28] running fullupgrade -f..... [03:28] Hai [03:28] dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-vPOoTs/189-kmail_4%3a16.08.2+p17.04+git20161209.0651-0_amd64.deb (--unpack): [03:28] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_kontactsummary.so', which is also in package kontact 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2 [03:30] the kmail error appeared when I tried to re-run full upgrade without -f. [03:30] dude clivejo it's past your bed time :) [03:30] I know! [03:30] clivejo: is superman. He needs no sleep. [03:30] NO I AM :DDD [03:31] https://media3.giphy.com/media/qgZnIUPFcS3hC/200w.gif#38 [03:31] Hey clivejo, where's Max? [03:31] in bed [03:31] wait are we reading fortunes? [03:32] Hm? [03:32] you know [03:32] you read a fortune and then you add "in bed" [03:34] * DarinMiller is happy reboot nolonger require sudo after 14.04.... [03:34] 😉😉😉 [03:36] for example: [03:36] http://www.fortunecookiemessage.com/cookie/8350-%3Cp%3EYou-dont-need-talent-to-gain-experience.%3C/p%3E [03:36] fullupgrade -f, reboot success. [03:38] you read a fortune and then you add "in bed" [03:39] yep [03:39] KDE IRC Relay Service: … http://www.fortunecookiemessage.com/cookie/8350-%3Cp%3EYou-dont-need-talent-to-gain-experience.%3C/p%3E [03:39] your overactive imagination, tsimonq2 [03:39] i'm referring to sleeping [03:39] oh that kid reminds me of my cousin brian when we were kids [03:39] DarinMiller: can you hold on for a few minutes? [03:39] http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kmail/ [03:39] building a new kmail that should fix that [03:39] but have to wait for LP to build and publish it [03:39] DarinMiller: what is kinforcenter reporting? [03:39] wxl: You know it boi :D [03:39] same as Neon-dev unstable: p 5.8.9, fw 5.29.0 and qt 5.7 [03:40] DarinMiller: try apt install peruse [03:41] ooooo, want [03:41] * valorie dies of jealousy [03:42] oh you guys [03:43] clivejo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23606381/ [03:43] its a comic reader! [03:43] libschroedinger! [03:44] what a great name [03:44] XD [03:44]