[00:01] <genii> There seems to be some stray iconv things in libcxxtools-dev
[00:01] <wxl> i'm pretty sure it's gnulibs
[00:01] <wxl> i'm testing the theory now
[00:02] <clivejo> given the website and the goat I agree
[00:03] <wxl> this is further proof it IS gnu/linux
[00:03] <tsimonq2> EEWW
[00:03] <tsimonq2> Shush with your terminology
[00:03] <tsimonq2> It's Linux.
[00:03] <tsimonq2> JUST Linux.
[00:03] <wxl> but it has gnulibs
[00:03] <tsimonq2> L I N U X. No slash. No animal.
[00:04] <wxl> and gnucoreutils
[00:04] <wxl> and gnu---- XD
[00:05] <valorie> all hail the gnu! hurd forevar
[00:05] <tsimonq2> "Recently, the arrival of desktop Linux (and, no, I refuse to say GNU/Linux as much I refuse to say GNU/X/OpenBox/LXDE instead of Lubuntu) was announced." -Walter Lapchynski
[00:08] <wxl> hurd forever
[00:08] <wxl> hahahahahah
[00:08] <clivejo> wxl: are we there yet?
[00:08] <wxl> clivejo: with hurd? no. give it about 10,000 more years.
[00:08] <wxl> clivejo: with kexi? no. still building.
[00:08] <clivejo> with kexi!
[00:08] <wxl> clivejo: with desktop Linux? yeah. long time ago.
[00:09] <valorie> since 2001 for me
[00:09] <wxl> i'd say that's probably about accurate
[00:10] <valorie> about half of my machines have been dual-boot with windows, but I never logged into the windows
[00:10] <valorie> so eventually it always got disappeared
[00:11] <wxl> ew dual boot
[00:12] <tsimonq2> clivejo: lol
[00:12] <valorie> well I always intend to check out building or using KDE apps on windows
[00:12] <valorie> but.....
[00:13] <valorie> only so much time in every day
[00:13] <wxl> yeah
[00:13] <wxl> but then you'd have to actually use it
[00:14] <valorie> so true
[00:14] <wxl> at that point just do a windows vm
[00:14] <valorie> that involves installing windows
[00:15] <wxl> oh yeah
[00:15] <valorie> which ....
[00:15] <wxl> well
[00:15] <wxl> nevermind XD
[00:18] <wxl> k word on the street is that it's already in glibc, so should be good
[00:18] <wxl> darn thing failed again tho
[00:18] <wxl> usr/share/locale issues
[00:19] <wxl> getting there!
[00:49] <clivejo> wxl: are we there yet?
[00:49] <wxl> almost
[00:52] <wxl> clivejo: are we sure this is right? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kexi/commit/debian/kexi-l10n.install?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=c4e577d12fa56fca69dc71ccc09a16d2a97a7de3
[00:53] <wxl> cuz that's the problem
[00:54] <wxl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605897/
[00:54] <wxl> dh_install: kexi-l10n missing files: usr/share/locale/
[00:59]  * wxl wishes cgit had a blame
[01:00] <valorie> can't you git-blame #commit# ?
[01:00] <valorie> no matter where you get it from
[01:00] <wxl> https://github.com/blog/228-playing-the-blame-game
[01:01] <wxl> and yes i can do it with git-blame but it's nice to be able to brwose around
[01:01] <valorie> I get your point
[01:02] <valorie> file a bug with cgit!
[01:03] <wxl> success
[01:04] <wxl> so if we DO NOT build kexi-l10n, we're good
[01:05] <clivejo> l10n is a pain in the backside
[01:05] <wxl> do you have any suggestions?
[01:05] <clivejo> yes, force everyone to speak English
[01:05] <wxl> hahahah
[01:06] <valorie> booo
[01:06] <wxl> so maybe i should just push this as is with kexi-l10n.install commented out?
[01:06] <clivejo> for some reason languages arent stored in git master
[01:06] <wxl> maybe a #TODO FIXME DARNIT
[01:06] <wxl> ?
[01:06] <wxl> XD
[01:06] <clivejo> they stored separate on some magic server somewhere
[01:07] <valorie> they aren't stored in git master because the translators don't get the strings until the freeze before release
[01:07] <valorie> string freeze
[01:07] <clivejo> but the release tar balls are spun with them included
[01:07] <valorie> exactly, they are in SVN because reasons
[01:07] <clivejo> so we still need those packages
[01:08] <valorie> magic server from the past.....
[01:08] <wxl> so i should leave it messed up?
[01:08] <clivejo> is it causing a lintian error?
[01:08] <wxl> no
[01:08] <clivejo> whats it doing?
[01:09] <wxl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605897/
[01:10] <clivejo> I guess comment it out, and we'll need to undo that for release
[01:10] <wxl> k
[01:10] <wxl> should i made a note undo at release?
[01:11] <clivejo> Im not sure how they intend to do it
[01:11] <clivejo> they used to have a huge calligra l10n package
[01:11] <clivejo> but now they split out kexi and krita I dont know how that is going to work
[01:12] <valorie> seems like a question for the distributions list?
[01:12] <valorie> everyone will have the same question
[01:12] <clivejo> you could try packaging 2.99.90
[01:12] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/unstable/kexi/src/
[01:13] <wxl> you want an MP for this?
[01:13] <valorie> and all the distros will appreciate clarification
[01:13] <clivejo> see if the l10n files are in the release tarball
[01:14] <clivejo> wxl: would be a good test if uscan works :)
[01:14] <wxl> there's po's in there
[01:14] <clivejo> any tinky winky's?
[01:15] <wxl> i guess for now i'm going to push this as is
[01:15] <valorie> rofl
[01:15] <wxl> oh boy, clivejo :)
[01:15] <wxl> i'll work on packaging this in a bit
[01:15] <wxl> i gotta go see my mother in law who just got out of surgery
[01:15] <wxl> you want an MP, clivejo ?
[01:16] <clivejo> wxl: package up that beta with your current packaging and throw it at one of your PPA's
[01:16] <wxl> yep
[01:16] <wxl> will do
[01:16] <wxl> but meanwhile.. XD
[01:16] <clivejo> I think you could just push it
[01:16] <clivejo> we have discussed all the changes?
[01:16] <wxl> i did two things:
[01:17] <wxl>  1. added glib
[01:17] <wxl> (as a build-depends)
[01:17] <wxl>  2. commented out kde-l10n
[01:17] <clivejo> 3. Chnagelog?
[01:17] <wxl> i guess i should, shouldn't i
[01:17]  * clivejo nods
[01:19] <clivejo> actually that version number is wrong :(
[01:19] <wxl> ..1?
[01:19] <clivejo> its .90 not 91 :(
[01:20] <wxl> uh oh you messed up you messed up you messed up XD
[01:20] <wxl> how od we fix that?>
[01:20] <clivejo> oh wait
[01:20] <clivejo> they must have respun
[01:20] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/unstable/kexi/src/
[01:21] <wxl> so...
[01:21] <wxl> push?
[01:21] <clivejo> 2.99.90 and 2.99.91
[01:21] <clivejo> yeah
[01:21] <wxl> done
[01:21] <wxl> so
[01:21] <wxl> grab 91 and give it a go in a ppa
[01:21] <wxl> i'll do that when i'm back from the hospital
[01:21]  * clivejo nods
[01:22] <clivejo> if you get time
[01:22]  * clivejo wonders how Neon handle l10n stuffs
[01:22] <wxl> well
[01:22] <wxl> that's where i'm confused
[01:22] <wxl> their kexi doesn't have a kexi-l10n
[01:22] <valorie> they don't do it for unstable
[01:22] <wxl> but your commit that added that says you got help from them
[01:23] <valorie> only for released stuff
[01:23] <wxl> oh there you go then
[01:23] <valorie> because of the issue you encountered
[01:23] <clivejo> Haruld probably has a magic unicorn that lays l10n packages
[01:24] <valorie> he may personally speak all the languages!
[01:24] <wxl> k talk so
[01:25] <wxl> on
[01:25] <wxl> :)
[01:25]  * valorie goes off to find pizza
[01:25]  * clivejo falls around looking for more JD
[01:32] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
[01:33] <DarinMiller> Hey clivejo!
[01:33] <clivejo> how are you?
[01:34] <DarinMiller> I am quite fine now that the weekend is here!  And you?
[01:34] <clivejo> little drunk :)
[01:35] <DarinMiller> Very good ... :) 
[01:36] <DarinMiller> Spinning up ZZ install after reading thru some the action here today...
[01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #9: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/9/
[01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #13: STILL FAILING in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/13/
[01:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #9: STILL FAILING in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/9/
[01:46] <clivejo> ooo lintian
[01:46]  * clivejo shakes head
[01:47]  * DarinMiller does not speak lintian yet .... thinks chinese might be easier....
[01:51] <clivejo> its rather annoying
[01:51] <clivejo> failed that package because lintian is too "new"
[01:52] <DarinMiller> zz install and updates went well.  The Driver Manager struggled though and enventually failed.  I selected new driver option and Intel microcode; hit apply and menu would re-arrange itself without installing anything. After 3rd try, I installed Nvidia and microcode from command line without issue.
[01:53] <DarinMiller> Which package has lintian that is too new?  
[01:54] <clivejo> kexi
[01:55] <DarinMiller> Oh yeah, new toys coming ....! ATTENTION - ACHTUNG !
[01:56] <clivejo> well it will be much the same, only faster :)
[01:59] <DarinMiller> I search the console output for "fail", "error" and lintian.  Could not find any of the above.   How does one find a lintian error?
[01:59] <clivejo> its the build log
[02:00] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/13/
[02:00] <clivejo> amd64 on the left hand side
[02:00] <clivejo> [02:00] <DarinMiller> Oh, I clicked on build 14.  Is 14 the build in progress?
[02:00] <clivejo> yes
[02:01] <clivejo> when it failes, KCI automatically retries it
[02:01] <clivejo> it failed the package because of E: kexi source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: libmysqlclient-dev => default-libmysqlclient-dev
[02:01] <DarinMiller> I was wondering why the left hand links were strange?
[02:02] <DarinMiller> !
[02:03] <clivejo> you can also click on Parsed Console
[02:03] <clivejo> that will show you a traffic light of the errors and warnings
[02:04]  * DarinMiller Does like the parsed console window... have to run browser full screen to make it readable....
[02:04] <DarinMiller> Trafic light should be across the top..... (maybe I can fix one day...)
[02:08] <DarinMiller> So is something missing from here: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/ that's causing it to fail?
[02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #14: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/14/
[02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #10: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/10/
[02:09] <clivejo> !info default-libmysqlclient-dev
[02:09] <clivejo> !info default-libmysqlclient-dev zesty
[02:10] <clivejo> its a new package that should replace libmysqlclient-dev
[02:10] <clivejo> but XX and YY dont have it, so we used the old name libmysqlclient-dev in the control file
[02:10] <clivejo> but lintian has versions
[02:11] <clivejo> and the newer versions know about this change and complain if you use the old name
[02:13] <clivejo> in xenial, it doesnt know about the new standand and is using an old version
[02:13] <clivejo> W: kexi source: newer-standards-version 3.9.8 (current is 3.9.7)
[02:19] <clivejo> DarinMiller: how far did you and Simon get with kdevelop?
 Ohai
 Deps are fun
[02:23] <DarinMiller> clivejo: we attempted to compile but we were missing a ppa or 2.
[02:24] <clivejo> a ppa?
 s/a ppa or 2/some deps/
[02:24] <clivejo> ah
[02:25] <clivejo> you have to build them first :P
 I know. I was tired and gave up. :P
[02:25] <DarinMiller> the deps were not in ppa?
[02:25] <clivejo> like building a lego house
 Rule #1: Never build a lego house around Max. :P
[02:26] <clivejo> well you should build them to 5.0.2
[02:26] <clivejo> so they dep wait on the newer ones
[02:26] <DarinMiller> why not 5.0.3?
[02:26] <clivejo> oh sorry
[02:26] <clivejo> thats what I meant
[02:27] <DarinMiller> vg
[02:28] <clivejo> no, he likes to help too much
[02:31] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: will you have some time this weekend to drag me thru the kdevelop build?
[02:33] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: you lost me when we encounter the dep issue and I was not able to flounder my way to a solution
[02:33] <DarinMiller> encountered^
[02:34] <clivejo> http://postimg.org/image/50dpce7gt/
[02:34] <clivejo> wxl: ^^
 Sure Darin
[02:36] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: Cool, let me know what time works for you.  It's snowy here this weekend but not enough for skiing, so I whenever you a have a moment.
[02:37] <DarinMiller> Wow, clivejo did you sleep in today (or yesterday) or are you like me and just hate going to bed?
[02:38] <clivejo> just got carried away with packaging
[02:39] <clivejo> wxl has been working on kexi
[02:40] <clivejo> he added kdb to LP git, added it to KCI to build and then got kexi building using it
[02:40] <clivejo> that a screenshot of the application running on zesty :)
[02:41] <clivejo> so he should pat himself on the back
[02:41] <DarinMiller> Nice!
[02:41] <clivejo> even though KCI is reporting it as a failure, its not really
[02:42] <clivejo> DarinMiller: have you a test machine?
[02:43] <DarinMiller> Yes (I have too many test machines.  )
[02:43] <clivejo> one you dont mind breaking?
[02:43]  * clivejo wishes he had that problem
[02:43] <DarinMiller> I can always test, just let know.
[02:43] <clivejo> my poor laptop is on its last legs!
[02:44] <clivejo> would you do a test of KCI on zesty?
[02:44] <clivejo> on real hardware if possible?
[02:44] <DarinMiller> sure, how?
[02:44] <clivejo> install zesty then add the KCI PPA
[02:45] <valorie> did kde-runtime get fixed, clivejo?
[02:45] <clivejo> no
[02:45] <clivejo> we just removed it
[02:45] <valorie> I"m wondering if I should try upgrading my travel lappy to 16.10
[02:45] <valorie> as it is, pretty worthless
[02:46] <clivejo> yakkety isnt in a good state
[02:46] <valorie> ok
[02:46] <valorie> I'm in no hurry
[02:46] <clivejo> were did you get up to?
[02:47] <clivejo> last I seen it was trying to install the KCI version, but I had deleted it from the PPA
[02:47] <clivejo> Rik was telling you how to downgrade it
[02:47] <clivejo> did that not work?
[02:47] <valorie> I downgraded, made no difference
[02:47] <valorie> etc.
[02:48] <valorie> lot so different tests, no difference
[02:48] <valorie> it never gets to SDDM, but I don't think SDDM is the problem
[02:48] <clivejo> did you add back the KCI PPA?
[02:48]  * DarinMiller feels stupid.  Does not know the KCI ppa of which Clive speaks.  Wonders if he means https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:48] <clivejo> do a full upgrade
[02:49] <clivejo> DarinMiller: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/
[02:49] <valorie> clivejo: I tried it, then ppa-purged
[02:49] <valorie> no change
[02:50] <clivejo> try adding it back
[02:50] <clivejo> make sure you do an apt update
[02:50] <clivejo> then a full-upgrade
[02:50] <valorie> so it could be something else, and kci was just coincidental
[02:50] <valorie> I did
[02:50] <valorie> I was able to successfully login to windows (for the first time) so it isn't hardware
[02:50] <clivejo> DarinMiller: usually a VERY bad idea to add this PPA
[02:51] <valorie> also tried previous kernels
[02:51] <clivejo> it will kill kittens and push your granny down the stairs given half the chance
[02:51] <clivejo> valorie: have you proposed or anything enabled
[02:52] <valorie> no, but I will when I see that folks are having good success
[02:52] <valorie> remember, this is just 16.04
[02:52] <clivejo> yeah, its strange
[02:52] <valorie> very
[02:52] <clivejo> cause it was working with KCI enabled
[02:53] <valorie> fortunately, time is not of the essence
[02:53] <valorie> it was!
[02:53] <clivejo> do you remember what you did just before it broke?
[02:55] <valorie> no, shut it down healthy
[02:55] <valorie> started it up dark
[02:55] <valorie> we were talking about it, so I might be able to find our conversation
[02:56] <clivejo> can you try "sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[02:56] <valorie> I'm not fussed
[02:56] <valorie> that I didn't try
[02:56] <clivejo> with KCI enabled and updated
[03:00] <valorie> in progress
[03:00] <DarinMiller> wow, only 439  packages to update.... downloading now....
[03:00] <valorie> 454 here
[03:00] <clivejo> sounds right
[03:01] <valorie> using my phone for internet
[03:02] <DarinMiller> #39 only 400 to go....
[03:02] <clivejo> DarinMiller: you dont have a fast connection?
[03:03] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Friday nights are not usually fast (everyone in neighborhood probably watching netflix....)
[03:03] <clivejo> ah
[03:03] <DarinMiller> Most of the time its ok.
[03:03] <valorie> clivejo: what in the heck are you doing awake still?
[03:03] <clivejo> dunno!
[03:03] <valorie> 63% done
[03:04] <clivejo> Im in shock to be honest
[03:04] <DarinMiller> wow, valirie has a fast phone....
[03:04] <valorie> well, I'm using it to share the network
[03:04] <DarinMiller> clivejo: waiting up for st. Nick?
[03:04] <clivejo> this past few days Ive had an LTE connection on my phone
[03:05] <clivejo> and I dont know how or why
[03:06] <DarinMiller> Are you using LTE for your current  internet connection?
[03:06] <clivejo> no
[03:06] <clivejo> WISP
[03:06] <DarinMiller> Sounds kind of light weight.
[03:06] <valorie> wispy
[03:06] <clivejo> very poor
[03:07] <clivejo> but billion times faster than my old internet
[03:07] <clivejo> down the phone line
[03:08] <DarinMiller> oh yes. Phone lines were painful.
[03:09] <clivejo> valorie: nearly there yet?
[03:09] <clivejo> I got rid of my phone line
[03:10] <valorie> 19% installed
[03:10] <valorie> going quickly
[03:10] <DarinMiller> only 47% dl'd
[03:13] <valorie> 56%
[03:14] <clivejo> 9 miles of 1960's copper cable has no chance to supporting internet, gets it tight hearing an analogue voice !
[03:15] <valorie> imo it should be a responsibility of a modern government to see to it that all citizens have access to modern internet
[03:15] <clivejo> ha
[03:15] <valorie> not likely to happen here
[03:16] <clivejo> our government havent a clue
[03:16] <valorie> yet finland does
[03:16] <valorie> we used to be leaders
[03:16] <valorie> :(
[03:16] <valorie> 95%
[03:16] <clivejo> we were promised 100% broadband coverage by 2006
[03:17] <DarinMiller> Must have been a politition that promised that...
[03:17] <clivejo> yup!
[03:17] <clivejo> and gave millions to BT to provide it
[03:18] <clivejo> and they just laughed and took the money
[03:18] <valorie> so I can no longer paste via the website -- how do I get the errors to pastebinit?
[03:19] <valorie> shortform: software-properties-kde is a depends, but not available
[03:19] <clivejo> !info  software-properties-kde xenial
[03:20] <clivejo> what needs that?
[03:20] <valorie> recommends apport-kde, apturl-kde, kubuntu-driver-manager, kubuntu-notification-helper, plasma-discover and plasma-discover-updater not going to be installed
[03:20] <valorie> kubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <valorie> when I tried to re-install
[03:21] <clivejo> did it finish?
[03:22] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23606322/
[03:22] <DarinMiller> dl complete, installing....
[03:22] <valorie> weee, figured it out
[03:22] <valorie> the kci/unstable went fine, no errors
[03:23] <clivejo> valorie: try a reboot?
[03:24]  * wxl has an idea
[03:24] <valorie> :(
[03:25] <valorie> gets as far as the first glow of kubuntu, then goes dark
[03:25] <clivejo> must be driver related
[03:26] <clivejo> wxl: whats your idea?
[03:26] <valorie> I've never done anything special, driver-wise
[03:26] <DarinMiller> crashed here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23606329/
[03:27] <wxl> clivejo: use default or the not default as a build depend for kexi
[03:27] <DarinMiller> kdepim-addon breaks kmail.
[03:28] <DarinMiller> running fullupgrade -f.....
 Hai
[03:28] <clivejo> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-vPOoTs/189-kmail_4%3a16.08.2+p17.04+git20161209.0651-0_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[03:28] <clivejo>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_kontactsummary.so', which is also in package kontact 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2
[03:30] <DarinMiller> the kmail error appeared when I tried to re-run full upgrade without -f.
[03:30] <wxl> dude clivejo it's past your bed time :)
[03:30] <clivejo> I know!
[03:30] <DarinMiller> clivejo: is superman.  He needs no sleep.
 NO I AM :DDD
[03:31] <wxl> https://media3.giphy.com/media/qgZnIUPFcS3hC/200w.gif#38
 Hey clivejo, where's Max?
[03:31] <clivejo> in bed
[03:31] <wxl> wait are we reading fortunes?
 Hm?
[03:32] <wxl> you know
[03:32] <wxl> you read a fortune and then you add "in bed"
[03:34]  * DarinMiller is happy reboot nolonger require sudo after 14.04....
 😉😉😉
[03:36] <wxl> for example:
[03:36] <wxl> http://www.fortunecookiemessage.com/cookie/8350-%3Cp%3EYou-dont-need-talent-to-gain-experience.%3C/p%3E
[03:36] <DarinMiller> fullupgrade -f, reboot success.
 <wxl> you read a fortune and then you add "in bed"
[03:39] <wxl> yep
 KDE IRC Relay Service: … <wxl> http://www.fortunecookiemessage.com/cookie/8350-%3Cp%3EYou-dont-need-talent-to-gain-experience.%3C/p%3E
[03:39] <wxl> your overactive imagination, tsimonq2 
[03:39] <wxl> i'm referring to sleeping
[03:39] <valorie> oh that kid reminds me of my cousin brian when we were kids
[03:39] <clivejo> DarinMiller: can you hold on for a few minutes?
[03:39] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kmail/
[03:39] <clivejo> building a new kmail that should fix that
[03:39] <clivejo> but have to wait for LP to build and publish it
[03:39] <clivejo> DarinMiller: what is kinforcenter reporting?
 wxl: You know it boi :D
[03:39] <DarinMiller> same as Neon-dev unstable: p 5.8.9, fw 5.29.0 and qt 5.7
[03:40] <clivejo> DarinMiller: try apt install peruse
[03:41] <valorie> ooooo, want
[03:41]  * valorie dies of jealousy
[03:42] <wxl> oh you guys
[03:43] <DarinMiller_> clivejo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23606381/
[03:43] <clivejo> its a comic reader!
[03:43] <valorie> libschroedinger!
[03:44] <valorie> what a great name
[03:44] <wxl> XD
[03:44] <wxl> !info libschroedinger
[03:44] <DarinMiller> Happy holidays for Valorie!
[03:44] <wxl> !info libschroedinger zesty
[03:44] <wxl> boo
[03:44] <clivejo> !info libschroedinger-1.0-0 zesty
[03:45] <wxl> oh heh
[03:45] <wxl> video???
[03:45] <valorie> I wonder why it was automatically installed?
[03:45] <clivejo> DarinMiller: just need you to test the bejaysus outta it!
[03:45] <valorie> that wasn't part of the peruse install
[03:45] <wxl> funded by the BBC
[03:46] <valorie> ah
[03:46] <wxl> written in ANSI C
[03:46] <clivejo> install stuff and report any problems with package installation
[03:47] <DarinMiller> clivejo: test peruse or zz with kci ppa (or both)?
[03:47] <wxl> clivejo: that kexi was the one on kci, right? you didn't try to package .91 did you?
[03:47] <clivejo> for some reason I didnt hit that kmail install problem
[03:47] <clivejo> test zz with kci#
[03:47] <clivejo> wxl: no, its kci
[03:47] <DarinMiller> the zz iso was from today, but I had run a complete update before installing the kci ppa...
[03:47] <wxl> clivejo: ok cool. didn't want you spoiling my fun XD
[03:48] <clivejo> but you did that :P
[03:48] <clivejo> learned a lot today me thinks!
[03:49] <wxl> totally!
[03:49] <clivejo> do you write it down, or just remember it?
[03:49] <wxl> i'm going to document it
[03:49]  * clivejo cant remember stuff at all
[03:49] <wxl> i had an idea for doing a blog series on packaging
[03:50] <DarinMiller> wxl: awesome idea.  
[03:50] <wxl> less of a how to 
[03:50] <wxl> more going through examples
[03:51] <DarinMiller> wxl:  i learn best by examples.  Reading dry text man pages makes my eyes bleed and brain shutdown.
[03:52] <clivejo> wxl: https://packaging.neon.kde.org/applications/kmail.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=962f57d19ddbb234d1c7f05517e1d1449178220d
[03:52] <clivejo> dunno what to make of that!
[03:52] <wxl> hahah
[03:52] <DarinMiller> clivejo: should I disable the kci ppa or leave it active for a while.  It's a test box so not a big deal if it dies.
[03:52] <wxl> that's what we just did to ours!
[03:52] <wxl> except i used wildcards
[03:53] <wxl> except
[03:53] <wxl> wait
[03:53] <wxl> HUH
[03:53] <clivejo> LOL
[03:53] <wxl> replaces/conflicts ktnef????
[03:53] <clivejo> yup
[03:53] <clivejo> they stuffed it all into the kmail package
[03:53] <clivejo> will be interesting to see how debian does it!
[03:53] <wxl> i think they have a separate ktnef package
[03:54] <wxl> s/package/repo/
[03:54]  * DarinMiller is happy he knows how to finally navigate the git tree to find the control file.  (small vicories).
[03:54] <wxl> heheheh
[03:54] <wxl> good job DarinMiller :)
[03:55] <DarinMiller> LOL
[03:55] <wxl> grep Package debian/control is your friend 
[03:55] <wxl> so is git checkout kubuntu_unstable
[03:56] <wxl> if i had a dollar for every time i cloned and looked at a directory listing that looks NOTHING like what i'd expect only to realize in master.....
[03:56] <clivejo> wxl do you use any visual aids?
[03:56] <DarinMiller> oh, oh ,  oh, I think that was my missing link when I was hunting for kdev 5.0.3 (epiphany!).
[03:57] <wxl> clivejo: well the prompt does have the branch in it so that helps :)
[03:59] <clivejo> DarinMiller: can you do an apt update
[03:59] <clivejo> and apt upgrade
[03:59] <clivejo> wxl: I use this - https://github.com/jimeh/git-aware-prompt
[04:00] <clivejo> very handy for git work
[04:00] <DarinMiller_> The following packages will be upgraded:
[04:00] <DarinMiller_>   kmail ktnef
[04:00] <clivejo> any errors?
[04:00] <wxl> clivejo: doing the default | not-default did the trick on kexi. you think i'm still ok to keep pushing?
[04:00] <DarinMiller_> dl'ing now....
[04:00] <clivejo> wxl: sure try it
[04:00] <DarinMiller_> updated without issue.
[04:01] <clivejo> DarinMiller: thumbs up
[04:01] <clivejo> thats the type of problems we need to catch and fix :)
[04:01] <DarinMiller_> The autoflash installer is fixed now also....
[04:02] <clivejo> DarinMiller: how does plasma feel?
[04:02] <DarinMiller_> clivejo: do you want me to leave the kci ppa enabled on the test box?  I don't mind if it crash and burns....
[04:02] <clivejo> 5.9 feels snappier to me
[04:03] <DarinMiller_> plasma 5.9 memory footprint on this box is 135M.  Not bad... at all.
[04:03] <clivejo> DarinMiller: up to you, but every night M-F KCI rebuilds a ton of stuff, so you will have a large number of packages to download and install for very little return
[04:03] <wxl> ok that's ONE problem solved
[04:04] <clivejo> I only do an upgrade every week or so
[04:04] <clivejo> or if there is a new package I want to test
[04:04] <DarinMiller_> wxl: what did you fix?
[04:04] <DarinMiller_> clivejo: you run your main box off KCI?
[04:05]  * clivejo nods @ DarinMiller
[04:05] <wxl> DarinMiller_: ^^ see above. there was complaints about kexi not having libmysqlclient-dev. i changed the requirement to be that OR default-libmysqlclient-dev
[04:05] <clivejo> I dont have the hardware or internet to run multi installs
[04:05]  * DarinMiller_ thinks clivejo is a crazy man (but a talented one :))
[04:06] <clivejo> and we need eyes on these too so we can catch and iron out the bugs
[04:06] <clivejo> yes, def crazy
[04:07] <clivejo> 4:06am and Im still wide awake!
[04:07] <DarinMiller_> wxl: how do you know when that's "legal"
[04:08] <wxl> DarinMiller_: i guess it's kind of a judgement call. in this case, the two packages are exactly the same. it's a name change. so that's kind of a no brainer.
[04:08] <DarinMiller_> clivejo: I had that same problem the other night but I had to work at 8:00 the next day....
[04:08] <wxl> DarinMiller_: if we weren't building for anything but zesty, i wouldn't have even bothered and would have just used the current one (default)
[04:09] <DarinMiller_> wxl: ack.  lots of little things coming together.... fog is not as thick now....
[04:11] <clivejo> right, Im gonna go to bed
[04:11] <clivejo> at least "try"
[04:12] <wxl> nite
[04:12] <valorie> sweet dreams, clivejo
[04:12] <DarinMiller> nite clivejo
[04:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #11: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/11/
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[04:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #15: NOW UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/15/
[04:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #10: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/10/
[04:30] <wxl> !info breeze-icons-rcc
[04:30] <wxl> !info breeze-icons-rcc zesty
[04:31] <wxl> !info libkdb3-dev zesty
[04:31] <wxl> !info libkproperty3-dev
[04:31] <wxl> !info libkreport3-dev
[04:31] <wxl> !info libkproperty3-dev zesty
[04:31] <wxl> !info libkreport3-dev zesty
[04:31] <wxl> well there goes that ppa idea
[04:31] <wxl> unless i depend on kci's ppa
[05:00] <tsimonq2> !info systemd
[05:00] <tsimonq2> !info systemd zesty
[05:01] <valorie> interesting
[05:02] <valorie> I've not seen "is important" before
[05:15] <wxl> i'm ready for an upstream commit now
[05:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #16: FAILURE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/16/
[05:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #11: FAILURE in 26 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/11/
[05:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #12: FAILURE in 26 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/12/
[05:59] <wxl> look what i just did https://phabricator.kde.org/D3634
[06:05] <valorie> high fives, wxl!
[06:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #17: STILL FAILING in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/17/
[06:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #13: STILL FAILING in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/13/
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[06:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #14: NOW UNSTABLE in 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/14/
[06:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #18: NOW UNSTABLE in 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/18/
[06:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #13: NOW UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/13/
[12:05] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:14] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[14:17] <guysoft42> hey all, is there a way to install plasma 5.8 on kubuntu 16.10? 
[14:18] <soee_> hmm
[14:18] <soee_> hi guysoft42
[14:18] <soee_> acheronuk: do we have it in some ppa?
 Landing, but only testing at the moment
[14:20] <guysoft42> the neon PPA seems to only have 16.04
 KDE Neon only supports 16.04  LTS
[14:21] <acheronuk> soee_: we. do but it may eat your kittena
[14:21] <yofel> PSA: kci is offline
[14:21] <acheronuk> *kittens
[14:23] <yofel> so I enabled backports-landing on xenial for fun
[14:24] <yofel> Unpacking libmarblewidget-qt5-24 (4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa63) ...
[14:24] <yofel> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libmarblewidget-qt5-24_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa63_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:24] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmarblewidget-qt5.so.0.24.1', which is also in package libmarblewidget-qt5-23 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa50
[14:24] <yofel> broken stuff on my side?
[14:24] <yofel> (I think)
[14:26] <guysoft42> CliffordTheBigRedDoggie so is there a way to get it to work here? I actually upgraded because I was hoping for it to upgrade my KDE at the time
[14:26] <guysoft42> Also who is running IrcsomeBot ?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, if you're adventurous try the staging ppas, plasma and frameworks, like so https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[14:27] <acheronuk> yofel: I've tried multiple upgrades an not had that, but I don't think I have marble installed by default. so if that happens, then that is a good catch
[14:27] <yofel> guysoft42: the bot is run by one in the team (it's the telegram bridge)
[14:28] <guysoft42> yofel, which source?
[14:28] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, I am adventurous, but this is also my main work laptop, and I don't want to brick the environment. if there is a way to roll back I am willing to try
[14:29] <yofel> ah wait, we switched that to the kde bot. where was that..
[14:29] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, wll, then you shouldn't try unstable packages 
[14:31] <guysoft42> If I upgrade with that it will remove: kde-config-touchpad, kde-touchpad, kubuntu desktop, pam-wallet-init, and plasma-desktop
[14:31] <guysoft42> is removing pam-wallet-init dangerous?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> no idea, I don't use wallet
[14:32]  * guysoft42 tries and holds tight
[14:32] <BluesKaj> why o you think you need thenew plasma anyway , there isn't a noiticeable difference
[14:32] <yofel> guysoft42: sorry, I can't find the repository. #kde-sysadmin should be able to tell you what's used
[14:39]  * guysoft42 reboots
[14:39] <wxl> do we care about package-name-doesnt-match-sonames?
[14:40] <yofel> not for embedded libs
[14:40] <yofel> otherwise, yes
[14:40] <wxl> so kexi would be one such example, right?
[14:40] <wxl> i mean no package is lib-anything
[14:41] <yofel> yes
[14:41] <wxl> great thanks :)
[14:47] <wxl> hahahahah now i'm typing irc commands in my shell omg i swear
[14:48] <yofel> ok, http proxy on pond: done
[14:51] <yofel> and down you go
[14:51] <yofel> oh right, the bot needs to be set up
[14:53] <clivejo> want me to do that?
[14:53] <yofel> feel free do
[14:53] <yofel> *to
[14:53] <yofel> I'm syncing the job data over now
[14:53] <clivejo> all jobs copied over?
[14:53] <yofel> not yet
[14:53]  * clivejo looks for Haruld email
[14:54] <yofel> maybe put those credentials in a file on the server somewhere
[14:55] <clivejo> have you setup a ubuntu user?
[14:55] <yofel> no, root has the keys
[14:57] <clivejo> jenkins must store the password somewhere as well
[14:57] <clivejo> in config file or database or something
[14:57] <yofel> I guess in the config file, but I didn't find it quickly
[15:02] <yofel> well hi :D
[15:03] <yofel> disabled the jenkins service on river
[15:05] <clivejo> put a redirection on river => pond
[15:05] <clivejo> ?
[15:06] <yofel> I'll do that later
[15:06] <clivejo> It appears that your reverse proxy set up is broken.
[15:08] <yofel> what's the error?
[15:09] <yofel> hm, there's things missing, right
[15:11] <yofel> let me just copy the config from river
[15:11] <yofel> even if I didn't want to use apache
[15:11] <clivejo> I lost connection on port 80
[15:12] <yofel> right, I killed nginx
[15:12] <clivejo> ah
[15:12] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, ok, installing staging was a BAD idea
[15:13] <guysoft42> broke my plasma desktop, had to unisntall the desktop and reinstall :-(
[15:14] <guysoft42> Also, checkout out this Kickoff error: http://imgur.com/a/zm5iu
[15:15]  * guysoft42 reboots
[15:24] <yofel> clivejo: now we're running the proxy setup from river
[15:24] <yofel> how do I get rid of the 8080 in the lp redirect though..
[15:26] <yofel> ah, that was a ci setting
[15:26] <clivejo> have the jobs copied yet?
[15:26] <yofel> no, rsync was unusable, so I just tarred everything up and am just scping things over
[15:27] <clivejo> ah
[15:28] <yofel> weird, why did rsync copy with a few kb, and scp goes with 5MB/s
[15:28] <yofel> stupid box on the other side of the planet
[15:28] <yofel> done
[15:32] <clivejo> how big is the tar?
[15:32] <yofel> 5G, xz 357M
[15:32]  * clivejo gulps
[15:32] <yofel> clivejo: the data from river is lying in /tmp/var/ if you need something
[15:32] <yofel> I'll shut jenkins down for the moment
[15:33] <clivejo> ok
[15:35] <yofel> jobs copied
[15:35] <yofel> I also copied the tooling for the theme icons in apache. Do we need anything else?
[15:36] <clivejo> not that I know of
[15:36] <yofel> the workspace we don't need. That's slave data
[15:36] <yofel> ok, lets get it up again
[15:37] <yofel> hm, how does one do lvm swap so zabbix shuts up..
[15:39] <clivejo> LOL, why do we need swap?
[15:40] <clivejo> Kubuntu CI NG = pond?
[15:40] <yofel> "so zabbix shuts up.." :P
[15:40] <yofel> ye
[15:40] <yofel> s
[15:40] <clivejo> morning DalekSec
[15:40] <clivejo> morning DarinMiller
[15:40] <clivejo> oupps
[15:41] <yofel> oops, the job page redirect still goes to river
[15:41] <DarinMiller> g'morning clivejo!
[15:42]  * clivejo loves how fast it is!
[15:43] <yofel> fixed. why was that a harcoded rewrite pattern
[15:45] <DarinMiller> clivejo: how do you guys know what to do?  Does the kubuntun-automation package have a config file for kci or are you following jenkins setup docs?
[15:46] <clivejo> DarinMiller: I don't really know what to do, its mostly yofel, but Im trying to learn!
[15:47] <yofel> jenkins setup docs, and we're really just moving servers. So this is mostly server host configs, not jenkins
[15:48] <clivejo> DarinMiller: new server is here - http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/
[15:48] <clivejo> yofel tarred up the jobs and copied them over
[15:48] <clivejo> so we have all the build history :)
[15:50] <yofel> nodes created
[15:50] <yofel> anything left...?
[15:50] <clivejo> nodes?
[15:50] <clivejo> oh slaves
[15:50] <yofel> slaves
[15:50] <clivejo> sorry
[15:50] <acheronuk> yofel: yes, but we are using a newer version of jenkins and plugins are we not? which has the potential to break what did work?
[15:51] <yofel> yes it has
[15:51] <yofel> and I'll tell you right now that mgmt_tooling is busted before even trying it
[15:51] <acheronuk> :/
[15:51] <clivejo> yofel: will you config pond to have some executors?
[15:52] <yofel> ah, the matrix config needs to be changed for the slaves
[15:52] <yofel> clivejo: no, there's no docker setup, so that can't work. We can think about setting that up later
[15:52] <yofel> maybe make a container and pretty much just copy linode
[15:52] <clivejo> linode has plenty anyway
[15:54] <yofel> ok, I'm turning master on
[15:54]  * clivejo crosses fingers and toes
[15:54] <clivejo> LOL
[15:54] <yofel> I know :P
[15:55] <yofel> next the other ones..
[15:55] <clivejo> sorry laughing at Max
[15:55]  * BluesKaj crosses the road
[15:56] <clivejo> hes just carried my old welly up to the wall and dropped it over!
[15:56] <yofel> ...
[15:56] <clivejo> and just done the same with a box!
[15:56] <yofel> XD
[15:56] <clivejo> barking
[15:57] <clivejo> hes trying to get my attention!
[15:57]  * clivejo shakes head
[15:58] <clivejo> now hes circling the car!
[15:58] <clivejo> bad dog!
[16:00] <clivejo> two nodes running on your scaleway now?
[16:00]  * DarinMiller time for breakfast
[16:01] <yofel> well, the other one was the test clone. I'll leave it there for now
[16:01] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, dont tell people to install that FYI
[16:01] <yofel> kci.pangea.pub now 302's to kubuntu.dh.bytemark.uk
[16:02] <clivejo> :)
[16:02] <clivejo> so fast!!
[16:03]  * clivejo gets a tear in his eye
[16:03] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, it takes more than one ppa for the 5.8 , it also requires the frameworks ppa and perhaps the misc, i wouls have mentioned it , but I was called away
[16:03] <yofel> now to update the tooling so things don't go boom when one tries to do an update
[16:04] <yofel> I'm getting the feeling that the bot isn't sending notifications though
[16:04] <yofel> might me the jobs not doing the right thing
[16:04] <yofel> *be
[16:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_cantor build #239: ABORTED in 7.6 sec: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/xenial_unstable_cantor/239/
[16:07] <clivejo> ^^ working
[16:07] <yofel> well then
[16:09] <clivejo> should I ask Jon to point kci.kubuntu.co.uk to pond?
[16:10] <yofel> maybe rather ask him to point the old domain if clemens doesn't mind
[16:10] <clivejo> pangea?
[16:10] <yofel> yes
[16:10] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, and I did not"tell you" to install that ppa , I merely posted the url ...the install was your choice if you felt "adventurous" 
[16:10] <yofel> so we don't have to look through all historic notes
[16:11] <clivejo> reckon its safe to update those 3 plugins?
[16:12] <yofel> no idea
[16:12] <clivejo> can I try?
[16:12] <yofel> sec
[16:13] <yofel> I'm just switching rdiff-backup over, then you can try
[16:14] <clivejo> yofel: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/administrativeMonitor/OldData/manage
[16:15] <yofel> CVSChangeLogParser o.O?
[16:15] <yofel> that's not even part of the job template
[16:22] <yofel> doing one last backup of river sounded like a good idea an hour ago.....
[16:29] <yofel> clivejo: whatever, those updates shouldn't mess anything up. 
[16:29] <yofel> I have to leave for an hour, bbl.
[16:30] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, well, now you know "adventurous" is not enough. it does not work yet
[16:31] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, I have it working but I also used the other ppas mentioned in my post above
[16:33] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, , but I'm a tester, so if you're on a production machine then like most linux users you should know enough not to muck about with unofficial ppas
[16:43] <BluesKaj> ok, BBL , the rpi 3 needs some attention and another experimental OS is waiting in the wings
[16:43] <clivejo> please DONT use the staging PPA's
[16:45] <clivejo> plasma 5.8.4 should be in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing
[16:46] <clivejo> and is still in testing
 Can I stage Frameworks 5.29 yet? :D
[16:47] <clivejo> I was hoping to speak to santa about staging Apps
 What's the deal?
[16:47] <clivejo> Id like to make a start on them
 See my little explanation yesterday? Write a simple script. :)
[16:49] <clivejo> dont think we eve need that
[16:49] <tsimonq2> How so?
[16:50] <clivejo> if they were staged and uploaded to staging, we'd soon find out what packages needed stuff we havent got
[16:50] <clivejo> in zesty
[16:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Then let's do what my friend Shia says. ;)
[16:51] <clivejo> split personality?
[16:52] <clivejo> is this the one who tried to kill KCI?
[16:54] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Shush. :)
[16:54] <clivejo> :P
[16:55] <clivejo> anyways, got to go, food time
[16:55] <clem_l> clivejo: just a quick question
[16:55] <clivejo> sure
[16:56] <clem_l> clivejo: the CI repo, is that for a future upgrade towards Xenial or not at all?
[16:56] <clem_l> towards landing and then backports I mean
[16:56] <tsimonq2> o/ I can explain
[16:56] <clivejo> more a testing platform at the moment
[16:57] <clem_l> ok but it highlights packaging issues which will hit us at some stage in the future right?
[16:57] <clivejo> yes
[16:58] <tsimonq2> clem_l: If you're talking about KCI, that's our experimental testing to work on packaging etc. and to make sure it works. When it's officially released, we put it into staging-, then once it gets in devel-release archive, we put to landing, that gets about a week of testing before backports.
[16:58] <clivejo> and what packages will need to be upgraded for it to work
[16:58] <clem_l> ok
[16:59] <clem_l> so right now we've an update to 5.8 in landing that is almost ready
[16:59] <clem_l> and the next one is slowly forming in KCI?
[16:59] <clivejo> yes
[16:59] <tsimonq2> And Frameworks and Applications. :)
[16:59] <tsimonq2> clem_l: I guess so
[16:59] <tsimonq2> If you want to think of it like that
[16:59] <tsimonq2> It follows the master branch of all KDE repos
[17:00] <tsimonq2> Making sure our packaging always builds against master
[17:00] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, ive had my share of mucking about with ppas, I actually dont mind getting a build env working as long as I don't break anything ,
[17:00] <clivejo> KCI is like a rolling version of Kubuntu
[17:00] <guysoft42> BluesKaj, what other PPAs did you use?
[17:00] <guysoft42> I've been using QT for stuff, and having a way to contribute would be nice
[17:00] <clivejo> when its working
[17:01] <clivejo> we are having issues in yakkety with symbols and haven't been able to get to the bottom of that yet
[17:01] <clem_l> I see 5.8.4 both in landing and on KCI
[17:02] <clem_l> but the 5.8.4 in landing is the tagged 5.8.4 right?
[17:02] <clem_l> whereas the one in KCI is a git master version?
[17:02] <clivejo> KCI versions are in flux
[17:02] <clivejo> don't rely on them
[17:02] <clivejo> they are basically latest unreleased
[17:03] <clem_l> which upstream Plasma version is in KCI right now?
[17:03] <clivejo> what will become 5.9
[17:04] <clem_l> you're not sticking to 5.8 LTS?
[17:04] <clivejo> not in KCI
[17:04] <clem_l> ok, but you are in backports for xenial?
[17:05] <clivejo> probably
[17:05] <clem_l> it will depend on dependency bumps and all?
[17:05] <clivejo> depends on the job at hand
[17:05] <clem_l> ok, makes sense
[17:05] <clivejo> and what it needs to run
[17:05] <clem_l> sorry I've so many questions :)
[17:05] <clivejo> if it can be backported and is stable we will want to backport it
[17:06] <clem_l> when do you want to move 5.8 into backports?
[17:07] <clivejo> Im "hoping" that the ISO can be fixed in KCI
[17:07] <clem_l> I could only find cosmetic issues here
[17:07] <clivejo> when its been fully tested
[17:07] <clem_l> I can issue a blog post and ask people to test landing tomorrow if it helps
[17:07] <clivejo> I g2g now
[17:07] <clivejo> chat later
[17:07] <clem_l> ok, ttyl clivejo 
 It would be nice to have more testers
[17:15] <blaze> I was testing landing last week
[17:16] <blaze> no issues so far
 I've not had any issues either but I've not tried on LM though
 Off to work
 Working until 6:30ish PM UTC-6
[19:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_krita build #29: ABORTED in 9 min 13 sec: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_krita/29/
[19:44] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Which release do you feel needs more testing?
 On break o/
[19:47] <DarinMiller> \o tsimonq2, not much happening here...
[19:48] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller: I'm not sure, 16.04 could use the most I think since it also effects LM 18
 ^
[19:48] <ahoneybun> also as it
[19:48] <ahoneybun> it's an LTS
[19:52] <DarinMiller> Making bootable USB now... I have not run 16.04 in quite some time as Plasma was a dual monitor disaster for that release.  It will be good to test landing...
[20:05] <clivejo> where did you guys get up to with kdevelop
[20:05] <DalekSec> clivejo: Howdy.
[20:05] <clivejo> hi :)
 Back on the clock soon o/
[20:08] <DarinMiller> clivejo: re: kdev. we never succeeded with the compiles as we were missing depends and ran out of time.
[20:14] <DarinMiller> clivejo: we were going to try to knock it out later this weekend pending Simon's schedule.  Unfortuneatlely I am too green to undertake independently...
[22:10]  * clivejo yawns
[22:49]  * wxl stretches
[22:54] <wxl> ugh
[22:54] <wxl> why didn't my darn kexi push
[22:54] <clivejo> :
[22:55] <wxl> 8 hours ago
[22:55] <wxl> we were down then, huh?
[22:55] <wxl> url works
[22:56] <clivejo> ??
[22:59] <wxl> clivejo: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/scmPollLog/
[23:00] <wxl> not such file or directory git XD
[23:00] <wxl> oooooops