[01:38] <LehKeda> hey
[01:39] <LehKeda> I've problem with installing ubuntu-phone after building
[01:39] <LehKeda> when I run this command ./rootstock-touch-install zesty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz system.img it copies for sometime then reboot to recovery
[01:46] <LehKeda> there is issue with this line adb push $TARPATH /recovery/ >/dev/null 2>&1
[01:48] <LehKeda> anyidea ?
[03:47] <muka> I'm trying WifiTransfer but it doesn't work. Can not connect. I'm using nexus 4 (mako).
[04:36] <muka> how can I make a phone call via adb?
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> test link ota 14 http://google.co.uk
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> xchay gnome
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> http://www.google.co.uk
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i guess in chat links still not clickable then:( but one from topic opended up firefox
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats new in ota14 i dobt really see anything as such, but i read that this obe is mosyly bug fixes
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[12:10] <enthusi_> Hi
[12:10] <enthusi_> are people in here using Ubuntu phones?
[12:11] <enthusi_> I am currently on a Samsug S3 mini and need a change
[12:11] <enthusi_> it seems no such ubuntu phones are readily available these days in DE?
[12:15] <OerHeks> enthusi, see the topic / devices if yours is supported, i think it is not.
[12:16] <enthusi> yes, none of those but I consider buying one specifically
[12:16] <enthusi> but I have no clue which
[12:16] <enthusi> a ready made ubuntu phone would have been nice but those are sold it it seems
[12:17] <enthusi> but development is active? its not a sinking ship so to speak? :)
[12:19] <OerHeks> enthusi, development is active, but growing slow.
[12:21] <enthusi> yeah, unfortunately
[12:21] <enthusi> people will shy away because there is no WhatsApp already :)
[12:21] <enthusi> *sugh*
[12:22] <enthusi> sigh
[12:22] <enthusi> do you use it? on what phone if I may ask?
[12:22] <enthusi> any brand/device you would recommend?
[12:22] <OerHeks> enthusi, i know, whatsapp and facebook are a * must* .. no, i don't have a capable ubuntu-phone :-(
[12:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> enthusi, I have ubuntu phones
[12:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> enthusi, plus another type of Linux based phone, that oh can actsually run whatsapp as well
[12:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> etc
[12:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> actaully make that two for ones that can actsaully run whatsapp but not tried on either
[13:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so why did i lose the background it changed to on ota 14 update on mx 4
[13:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when I put a background
[13:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for log in screen
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> changed to a more yellowey one, but then lost that
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no it's not there as an option in background images
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> shame since that was also the like only thing i noticed that was new
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mx 4 had gone from ota 12 to 14
[13:59] <pgp> hello everybody
[14:00] <pgp> did someone tried to install ota14 on meizu mx6?
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pgp, no don't think so
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pgp, and that was just a remour or an apparnatly that  they would release a mx 6 ubuntu
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe next year i guess
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when already an old phon
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> e
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pgp, maybe the software for putting Ubuntu onto a  Meizu MX 4  Android,would mostly work with   a MX 6 as well, or just brick the phone
[15:08] <pgp> ok thank you! SebthreeBQM10HD
[15:24] <erik__> hello
[15:26] <erik__> how can i sync my device on debian?
[15:30] <erik__> anybody here?
[15:40] <erik__> hmm, bots only discussion ...
[15:40] <erik__> bye
[15:43] <muka> erik__, I use ssh and copy ~ dir
[15:46] <Acou_Bass> i just run syncthing binary
[15:46] <Acou_Bass> XD
[15:46] <Acou_Bass> obviouslydont leave it running all day, just get home, plug phone in to charge, fire up syncthing
[15:46] <Acou_Bass> leave for 10 minutes, come back its usually done
[15:49] <Acou_Bass> SebthreeBQM10HD: out of curiosity, which linuxey phones do you have that can run whatsapp?
[15:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, the Jolla phone and Samsuing Z1 so the Tizen phone
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not tried on either though yet!
[15:57] <Acou_Bass> ahh i loved sailfishOS, probably my favourite mobile OS yet
[15:57] <Acou_Bass> not tried tizen yet ;(
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, yeah salifish can run most andorid apps
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same for tizen I guess
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so sa far as i Know whatsapp should be fine on those
[15:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or fine enough
[15:58] <Acou_Bass> i used it on a nexus so no alien-dalvik for me but aside from that it was a really nice OS hehe
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep, but many will use it fr andrid apps or mostly rather than native
[15:58] <Acou_Bass> i never used android anyway so i dont really miss android apps
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh what did you use then?
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> android has always annyed me  since adverts :d
[15:58] <Acou_Bass> my first smartphone was an n900
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> install some android apps and bang adverts
[15:58] <Acou_Bass> after that i went to a firefoxOS phone
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not neassiary androids fualt but yeah
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes I got a firefox os phone as well
[15:59] <Acou_Bass> then once firefoxOS died i bought a nexus 4 and since then ive been switching between sailfish + ubuntu XD
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I been meaning t possibly buy a nexus 4  from some where
[15:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so can change around oses eaisesr
[16:00] <Acou_Bass> weirdly theres a (very unofficial, VERY VERY BUGGY) version of sailfishOS for my firefoxOS phone too so i played around on that a bit before i jumped to the nexus
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh is there?
[16:00] <Acou_Bass> yeah ZTE open C
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I got the Alcatel something
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, is that the ZTE maybe that they sold directly on ebay ?
[16:01] <Acou_Bass> yeah it is
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh missed out on that
[16:01] <Acou_Bass> or was :P
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> didn't know at the time etc
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> back then would have thought they just sold in Afria or whatever and that was that
[16:02] <Acou_Bass> i followed firefoxOS with interest so when my n900 borked (i did the typical yank the USB socket too hard..) it was prmetime to jump ship to firefox
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, anyway Tizen you can have that, just buy it directly from India or something, like I did :)
[16:02] <Acou_Bass> hehe
[16:02] <Acou_Bass> how is tizen though? whats app selection like
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I followed it here and there to
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or kind of
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> boot 2 geck then changed to firefox os
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I Guess not enough
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, seems I haven't been following Jolla  / Salifish OS enough this year as well as I found out in October!
[16:03] <Acou_Bass> is tizen still EFL-based?
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Tizen is very much like Samsungs Android interface
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you would notice very little differnece, from what I Have seen
[16:03] <Acou_Bass> ahh
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on smart watches it has a diffenret interface though
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they even had a stand at FOSDEM this year  that I was at for a bit
[16:03] <Acou_Bass> funn
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, then to install Android apps, you need well first to be logged into your samsung account to use the phone
[16:04] <Acou_Bass> i really think that was firefoxOS's advantage really, they basically jumped onto a platform with 10000 ready-made 'apps' already made for them XD
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then you can  download an app for running android apps
[16:04] <Acou_Bass> ahhh cool
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and that app must be installed to run android apps
[16:04] <Acou_Bass> with a non-jolla phone its a similar thing on sailfish
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> salifish  they have android app support
[16:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dont' need to add anything extra
[16:05] <Acou_Bass> because you cant get the jolla dalvik thing on non-jolla phones youve gotta use some weird hacky 3rd-party method
[16:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe not sure
[16:05] <Acou_Bass> it is true of the nexus at least hehe
[16:05] <Acou_Bass> its some licensing issue they have, theyre only licensed to release their dalvik thing on their own devices
[16:05] <Acou_Bass> so 3rd-party ports dont get it
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, well  I read about a index intex whatever the company called
[16:06] <Acou_Bass> so of course the community hacked their own thing together
[16:06] <Acou_Bass> oh yeah i saw that
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, Salifhs OS phone that would be sold in India in the summer
[16:06] <Acou_Bass> aquafish or something
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep that's the one
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquafish
[16:06] <Acou_Bass> the one that had a controversial 3rd page for ads basically :D
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nice newer hardware specs etc :)
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I mean the jolla  phone is alright, but the hardware was already old really, wehn I got mine like three years or so ago
[16:06] <Acou_Bass> sailfish doesnt really need newer hardware specs TBH - i found it ran like silk on my nexus 4
[16:07] <Acou_Bass> must be a super lightweight OS
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed tjolla phone is basic hardware
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, anyway turns out there was a Jolla C phone as well that I missed it seems hmm
[16:07] <Acou_Bass> yeahh
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, there's a guy all into Jolla from around here, well he works for them
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, he ports the OS to other devices etc
[16:08] <Acou_Bass> im just not sure on jolla's future :( they seem to be going down the shitter which is a huge shame
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, so I was doing an event in october
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for Linux Presentation Day :0
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :)
[16:08] <Acou_Bass> hehe
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but wanted to do mobile as well, not just desktop stuff
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> wanted to creative common stuff  to make more intersgin to hoefpully to public as well
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> background music,  open movies
[16:08] <erik__> hello again
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> some graphics
[16:09] <Acou_Bass> yeahh
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so yeah did all that
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, and got in contact with the guy,  and yes he could come along :)
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> had mett him about a year or two before at my LUG, and nearly did for a FOSDEM to, but nop9e
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so he meniotend some jolla c in a email wehn I asked what he could bring
[16:09] <Acou_Bass> theres a LUG in my city but i havent been able to go yet... maybe in the new year
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but the aquafish has pretty much the same specs according to another guy
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, where is your city ?
[16:10] <Acou_Bass> manchester UK hehe
[16:10] <Acou_Bass> manlug :D
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I  got my jolla on a old version of salifhs still as well since...
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may keep it so
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for ages
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> like I am doing with one of my ubuntu phones
[16:10] <Acou_Bass> oh? whys that
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can show people the past and thep resent then , the changes a bit as well at times if doing that
[16:10] <Acou_Bass> ahhh true
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, since I thought it might have swapped with that guys jolla phone, that was partly it
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but then didn't do much with it
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I had to factory re set before all that to
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then you get other devices and what not as well
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I think Salifish OS can currently do a load more than say Ubuntu Touch, with it's ANdroid support
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> app support, but
[16:11] <Acou_Bass> yepp right now it can (and its native apps for the most part are a hell of a lot better too)
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am more interested in Ubuntu Touch really, where things seem to be going etc
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's taking time, but yeah
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu touch will merge into Ubuntu personal to etc
[16:12] <Acou_Bass> yeah thats sort of my take on it too - *right now* sailfish is the better OS - but it seems to have stagnated whereas ubuntu touch is going places :D
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same interface Unity 8 and code base with everything with a screen etc.  libertine working nicely on the desktop to for older xorg stuff, not just phone and tablet etc
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, you could say Android is the better OS right now even, if  you want loads of those apps
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and such
[16:13] <erik__> UT upgrade (13 to 14) isn't working with twrp on the device. why does the upgrade need access to the recovery?
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, or Remix OS  based on it
[16:13] <Acou_Bass> i dont think libertine is going to be around much longer to be honest... once click packages come to the phone there wont really be any need for libertine XD
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but Ubuntu touch is the one that weill interesting stuff is going to happen to it for sure
[16:13] <Acou_Bass> clicks should support Xmir transparently
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in the next two years or so it seems
[16:13] <Acou_Bass> at least thats what i was told in here last time i asked about it
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, not everything will be ported to whatever though
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, so for running older programs, libertine has it's use
[16:14] <Acou_Bass> yeah i suppose anything that people dont make snaps for (i meant snaps, not clicks) XD
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I am in Engalnd to by the way
[16:14] <Acou_Bass> ooh? whereabouts
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> near  Bristol
[16:14] <Acou_Bass> ahhh nice ;D
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, so we had a Bristol Linux Presetation Day event in October of this year
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, the 3rd UK  LUG to have one,  the 3rd group in general
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, now this is a nice idea http://linux-presentation-day.org
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I intend to organise two more next year as well
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's meant to be two per year really for each group
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh sure there have been similar things like that before, but not quite ike that
[16:15] <Acou_Bass> ahhh thats awesome
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems it's going to a bit more global next time as well
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not just euroope :)
[16:16] <Acou_Bass> so like a cross-country 'LUG' for doing presentations
[16:16] <Acou_Bass> sweet
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, no it's a way to show the pubic linux
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> get  them into it etc
[16:16] <Acou_Bass> well yeah
[16:16] <Acou_Bass> but its sort of like an event except lots of them at once.. sort of? XD
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but desktop linux wel lwe know it's good but
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but mobile is where it's at a lot now
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> desktop comput8ing uhmm not used as much by pe9ple in general
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Windows 10 kind of works or enough hmm
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Macs to so
[16:17] <Acou_Bass> youd be surprised... desktops arent as dead as people think XD and especially not laptops
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, well peole sito n the us iwth phones and such
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not lap tops now or rarely
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass,  many home users rarely use lap tops or desktops now, since mobile phones etc
[16:18] <Acou_Bass> ehh i suppose
[16:18] <Acou_Bass> everyone in my house has a laptop each XD
[16:18] <Acou_Bass> and we are not geeks ;p
[16:18] <Acou_Bass> well i am
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, what Canonicala re trying to do with convergne is good
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but
[16:18] <Acou_Bass> but mum and dad arent :D
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, how old are you?
[16:19] <Acou_Bass> mid-20s ;D
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but not every9one will want the same interface on everything etc
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, ok late 20's for me
[16:20] <Acou_Bass> from what ive seen with my parents, having the same interface on everything is a good thing... my mum can switch between her phone and tablet without even thinking about it because android is android
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I think how  Ubuntu Touch or perosnal whatever
[16:20] <Acou_Bass> and she runs gnome on her laptop so its almost similar
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, will be able to run lots of standard xorg programs is a good thing right there
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and easilly, in a graph8ical way, so not there yet
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, lots of great quality standard linux programs :)
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> over 20 years wroth really I guess
[16:21] <Acou_Bass> like i reckon snaps should be able to sort that as long as X apps are made into snaps, but for joe average they probably wont even need to use them if there are enough 'native' touch/convergence apps made
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, however bare in mind, that most of that will not be ported over to  mir or wayland, so yeah libertine has it's purpoouse still
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and xmir
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and yeah
[16:22] <Acou_Bass> have you ever used gnome on wayland? 'legacy' applications is completely transparent, you dont even know about it
[16:22] <Acou_Bass> firefox just works without a hitch
[16:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, anyway using having a ubuntu phone or tablet is nice, since it's like a glimpse, a preview of the feuture, what's to come, waht's to come, or kind of thing that is to come, to the desktop as well, etc
[16:22] <Acou_Bass> wayland is there already, mir isnt sadly, but it will be :D
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nope not used gnome on wayland, but yes that's how it's meant to be, meant to just work, as long as the  graphics card can support it
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> otherwise with say fedora 25 they get xorg instead
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I read
[16:23] <Acou_Bass> yeah they do
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mir is thighed to Ubuntu
[16:23] <Acou_Bass> but yepp, wayland with gnome just works even with Xorg apps
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no one else wants otu se mir really
[16:23] <Acou_Bass> theyre right there in the applications menuw here they belong
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> did read a nice blog post about mir, and how it could be used by others
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from soimeone from Canonical i think it was
[16:23] <Acou_Bass> yah
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but pretty much every other distro  will go Wayland not Mir
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they also won't go Unity 8
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or any tiime soon
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> technical and political reasons
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> meh im fine with that
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> let canonical do their own thing
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am thinking that to reallly
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus I lik new stuff
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that can seeen etc
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> my theory is
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> other distros aren't really inovating much like that now so
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> rather tan us all just going to wayland mindlessly
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> we get TWO great new display serves
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since they all tend to use pretty much the same thing from upstream so
[16:24] <Acou_Bass> and the best one will win ;D
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with therir branding changeing and such and that's about it
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, no I think choice is good ;)
[16:25] <Acou_Bass> if wayland crashes and burns we can all jump ship to mir and port our other DE's to it
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, imagine going to the sweet shop, and all you had, was a Mars bar and a Twixx, how boring ?
[16:25] <Acou_Bass> if mir crashes and burns we can all  jump to wayland
[16:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, altough on the subject of eating things, there should probably be much less meaty choices, or at a higher price :d,  but that's another topic
[16:26] <Acou_Bass> i dont thinkmany chocolate bars contain meat anyway
[16:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, they don't, but some will contain gelatine, not what I was getting into though
[16:27] <Acou_Bass> XD
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass,  meat in general, seems to be cheaper than vegetarian or vegan food at times, that's wrong!
[16:27]  * SebthreeBQM10HD went veggie for ethical moral reasons :d
[16:27] <Acou_Bass> yeah well we all have our moral passions, i personally wont use motor vehicles xD but thats just me
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what you don't go in cars ?
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or buses ?
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or planes ?
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or trains
[16:28] <Acou_Bass> definitely not cars if i can help it (im not saying i NEVER will, but i wont drive one and will avoid when possible)
[16:28] <Acou_Bass> XD
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whys that ?
[16:28] <Acou_Bass> because theyre RIDICULOUSLY dangerous for a start
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why you think that?
[16:29] <Acou_Bass> motor crashes account for nearly all of human deaths (its basically the only un-natural cause of death in the top 5 causes of human deaths...)
[16:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uh my older brother just went some whre he could have walked easy, in the car
[16:29] <Acou_Bass> y'know behind things like heart disease and certain cancers
[16:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, are you a guy or girl :d ?
[16:30] <Acou_Bass> i genuinely believe 'car culture' is probably the worst thing to have happened in our modern times, its absolutely terrible
[16:30] <Acou_Bass> im a guy
[16:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not a worrying girl, oh  h eh :D
[16:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, cars pollut the world
[16:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, it sucks how to do something more proper, usaully havev to travel miles to
[16:30] <Acou_Bass> honestly the pollution is terrible, yes, but the cultural affects IMO are just as bad
[16:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since how the world is set up
[16:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the cultural effects such as?
[16:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and certain people would say tech in genera l is bad, so computers etc to
[16:31] <Acou_Bass> like i said, thousands of people dying all the time from motor crashes and the rest of the world just shrugging their shoulders going 'oh well, cars are good'
[16:31] <Acou_Bass> the fact that our cities are built for cars with only a tiny amount of space in the city for other things
[16:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't live in a city :)
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah manchester willl be busy
[16:32] <Acou_Bass> cars make people lazy
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they do yes
[16:32] <Acou_Bass> its the spacing thing, and the people dying all the time thing that bothers me most
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> its annoying how go to travel for miles for lots of things
[16:32] <Acou_Bass> and instead of actually tackling the problem of cars being dangerous, they tell other members of the public to wear stupid clothing so car drivers can see them better
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so transport
[16:33] <Acou_Bass> as though thatll fix anything
[16:33] <Acou_Bass> its disgusting and it wont change until our govt sees the problem and makes changes to our infrastructure to prevent it
[16:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, sure it will :d a nice multi coloured Ubuntu top of some sort
[16:34] <Acou_Bass> XD
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, with a nice orange Ubuntu cap as well :d
[16:34] <Acou_Bass> i have an arch linux cycling shirt, does that count?
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I have lots of geek t-shirts now
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since done FOSEM the last six years
[16:34] <Acou_Bass> i hardly have any, i need to pad my wardrobe out a bit with them
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and OGG Camp to, wasn't one this year
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since 2012 for both events
[16:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, intending on going again in Feburaruy, but wil lbe diffenret
[16:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, the project I been invovled with here and there, won't have a stand this time, etc
[16:35] <Acou_Bass> where is it?
[16:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Brussels
[16:35] <Acou_Bass> ahhh
[16:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or near
[16:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, it's the   llike best open source event in Europe though, or pretty much
[16:36] <Acou_Bass> yeahh
[16:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I even got to meet and chat to and shake hands  with Mark Shuttleworth briefly there this year :)
[16:37] <Acou_Bass> did you show him your ubuntu phone, and make sure hes got one too?
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass,  h eh no
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass,  it was after a talk, some guy kept on answering questions inside of speaker
[16:37] <Acou_Bass> ahh
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then it clicked, oh yeah I recognise that voice, ah right of course it's
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I had already mettt Richard Stallman for eaxmple and chatted to breifly etc
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> tried to get his  signature in not a great way actsaully h  e h
[16:38] <Acou_Bass> 0,o
[16:38] <Acou_Bass> whatd you do
[16:38] <Acou_Bass> hand him a macbook?
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh no
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyway so Mark ok :)
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> some other guy went to mark first I think first, same kind of reason
[16:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but yeah you get to meet some of these interesting peopple at events etc
[16:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Stallman was a specfic talk though that happended in Bath
[16:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> two hours of him chatting
[16:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> non stop except water brakes and such
[16:40] <Acou_Bass> did he do Q&A or anything?
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> at the end a bit I think so
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> stallman
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes he did
[16:40] <Acou_Bass> i really think the Q&A format lends itself better for people like stallman who are maybe seen as a bit radical
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> soemone asked him a question to do with the bsd slisnce
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and if htat was ok enough to use or not in certain situations
[16:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, Stallman is ok
[16:42] <Acou_Bass> oh yeah im not saying he isnt :D but y'know to the general public they might see his ideas as crazy, and so a Q&A i think is better for that sort of thing
[16:42] <Acou_Bass> rather than him just preaching to a crowd
[16:42] <Acou_Bass> get people to really see how his ideals affect them
[16:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, yes he comes across a bitt crazzy to many it seems, but eh
[16:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, people don't genrally care enough about tech, just want to use something that works etc
[16:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I remember reading the GNU philospey at 17
[16:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thinking like yes
[16:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes this makes sense
[16:43] <Acou_Bass> you dont have to convince me of that, i run fully-free distros on my machines except for my PC and my ubuntu phone XD
[16:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and agreeing to most things I had read as well
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, well ther eisn't really a ethical phone os in that sense or enough?
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well there's like a android altenriav thing
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or based
[16:44] <Acou_Bass> yeah
[16:44] <Acou_Bass> replicant
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> repicant yeah
[16:44] <Acou_Bass> but even then youre using the baseband blobs
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and there are ubuntu veriosns without the   stuff to
[16:44] <Acou_Bass> but i suppose thats no different to the nonfree BIOS's
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and to connect to a network you use non free software
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not much choice there it seems
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, not may change bios
[16:45] <Acou_Bass> my laptop just works with linux-libre, even though its not advertised as such XD i reckon most people would be in a similar boat if they tried it
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> linux libre as in a general terem ?
[16:45] <Acou_Bass> no linux-libre is a build of the linux kernel with zero proprietary blobs in it
[16:46] <Acou_Bass> it ships on fully-free FSF-approved distros hehe
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and  sofftware freedom activist :d Acou_Bass  Ubuntu phone you said! right BAD BOY!  that's not free enough and will tigh people into Canonical
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[16:46] <Acou_Bass> meh, its better than android :D
[16:46] <Acou_Bass> and sailfishOS is very proprietary too
[16:46] <Acou_Bass> most of the top layer is proprietary
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes so people say
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that salifish os is actaully quite propritary
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey it's linux based and nice os
[16:47] <Acou_Bass> the day i can run guixSd on my phone i can die happy
[16:47] <Acou_Bass> thatd be amazing
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I genreallly prefer to use free software, but will use what works to
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, what annoys me a bit is the whole people who think they need Microsoft OFfice, when don't really
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, or Adoboe photoshop
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or that LInux sucks really since propritary gaming that a bit to
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, oh and my Ubuntu tablet can run Libre Office :)
[16:48] <Acou_Bass> games are a tricky one to work around... you cant exactly just make a FOSS alternative to call of duty or GTA5 and expect people to switch to it, they expect the real thing hehe
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, it's nice having a stand to help out at FOSDEM, when don't want to go to to many talks
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but the distro I been invovled wiht didn't get accepted this year as a stand
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so many projects want a stand at FOSDEM you see
[16:49] <Acou_Bass> i can imagine :O
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> double then they can havev
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think tehy are trying to let projects in that are enwer more now, or had a break
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I see BSD is back for example
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, this is reminding me, but might seei if I can help at the libre office stand maybe :d
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, might bring my Ubuntu tablet along to, so can show people it running libre office :d
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got a contact there or kind of thing
[16:50] <Acou_Bass> if theres a guixSD stand say hi to those folks :D their distro is amazing
[16:50] <Acou_Bass> or the nixos :D
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pluss it looked llike a fun one to help out the last few years
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, nixos maybe,  guixSD  no
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, Libre OFfice people are great, I been sent stuff twice now :) for events I had here
[16:50] <Acou_Bass> hehe
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for free
[16:51] <Acou_Bass> whats wrong with guix ;D
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, ok I didn't ask for anythig to major like t-shirts, but yes i got more than just stickers  and flyers last time so October :)
[16:51] <Acou_Bass> XD awesome
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> document foundation pin badges in a bag
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and ballons as well :)
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> didn't end up using hte ballons, but next time will use some
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, green  libre office ballons with a free pump as well
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a blue free pump
[16:52] <Acou_Bass> XD
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, there were some issues at the begning of the event etc,  so  dind't really have time to pump up ballons
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but next time well :) I guess
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, may be worth  bringin tablet along to show stuff like libe office
[16:53] <Acou_Bass> i do want to attend events like this at some point, just not sure if/when ill be able to make my way to them
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I mean even at FOSDEM, not that many people will have sen it on an Ubuntu tablet for real I expect so
[16:53] <Acou_Bass> get a nexus 4 and get ubuntu on it, then you can show it on a PHONE:D
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's not the commerical phone though
[16:54] <Acou_Bass> hehe true
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but annoying would hae to take tablet out at air port
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> security
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they want those out
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, plus  then do I bother with a bue too thekbyarod with my stand thing or not uh probaboy fi taking it, which one....   you get a load of extra stuff back with
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so don't want to go with too much as well
[16:55] <Acou_Bass> XD
[16:55] <Acou_Bass> true
[16:55] <Acou_Bass> tablets ae good for that
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus got a gaming tablet device thing to take iwth
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe two een
[16:55] <Acou_Bass> all in one neat little package
[16:55] <Acou_Bass> alrighty back later, time to eat :D (and cook me a pecan pie for our baking competition next week) WOO
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, I am more a marketing person
[16:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, promotion
[16:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, a baking competion oh ?
[16:56] <OerHeks> A pie should not survive 7 days
[16:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> OerHeks, yeah true I guess
[17:13] <Acou_Bass> OerHeks: well the competition is tomorrow
[17:13] <Acou_Bass> yes my work is having a 'great british bake-off' competition
[17:13] <Acou_Bass> :P
[17:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whaat is your work
[17:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:14] <Acou_Bass> i work at the head office of a sports fashion retailer hehe, not remotely IT-related
[17:14] <Acou_Bass> :D
[17:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, Sports Direct
[17:41] <Acou_Bass> no, jd sports SebthreeBQM10HD
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, oh that branded one hmm
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Acou_Bass, but you shoudn't work there, since msot of their customers will come by motor vechiles :d
[18:23] <LehKeda> can i edit rootstock-touch-install script to fit on my device ?
[20:01] <Acou_Bass> SebthreeBQM10HD: i dont work on the JD sports part i work on their outdoors divison ;) all tents and bikes and walking gear ;D
[20:19] <LehKeda> the phone stuck at bootlogo , is there any thing I can do ?
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lenikeda
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lenkeds
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lenkeda when which phone
[20:39] <LehKeda> I'm porting to new device called samsung galaxy star
[20:39] <LehKeda> I'm making a new build now with some kernel changes
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh a port
[20:40] <LehKeda> is ubuntu recovery is required ? I'm using twrp3.0.2
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well yeah things are likely to go wrong on any port
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there's like one guy doing ubuntu ports
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ubports
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I think most of us won't know much about porting,  but could be wrong
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyway I can't help you much either way
[20:41] <LehKeda> ok , what about recovery ?
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you need developer mode to do ports
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if that's what you mean
[20:42] <LehKeda> i mean must i use ubuntu recovery.img to get ubuntu working or any recovery will work ?
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's the recoveyry image ?
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I guess that's the thing to try
[20:45] <LehKeda> afetr building ubuntu phone there are some .img files one of them is recovery.img that's what get loaded when you enter recovery mode
[20:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try tht i don't know though
[20:45] <LehKeda> ok
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