[00:02] <diabolo> here's apt-get output - http://pastebin.com/EPFfMERJ
[00:06] <Bashing-om> diabolo: So far so good, see nothing wrong with "update" .
[00:06] <diabolo> no erros this time on this box, but wil try my other machine and post the output
[00:06] <diabolo> http://pastebin.com/qUWKDuQH
[00:06] <tomreyn> diabolo: looks like you are mixing wily and xenial sources, though
[00:07] <diabolo> yes agreed.  I wil check my other box and repost
[00:09] <reaperii> hey
[00:09] <reaperii> anyone here?
[00:09] <Siorai> Nope. Ghost town.
[00:09] <Benguitar> Na-da
[00:11] <mmdiyul> hello?
[00:11] <tomreyn> hello!
[00:12] <diabolo> update output for the other box-- http://pastebin.com/m2sDnf0P
[00:13] <diabolo> with some errors
[00:13] <tomreyn> now you're even mixing vivid with xenial
[00:15] <diabolo> strange , no errors still - ichery@ubn2x1604:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:15] <diabolo> Reading package lists... Done
[00:15] <diabolo> Building dependency tree
[00:15] <diabolo> Reading state information... Done
[00:15] <diabolo> Calculating upgrade... Done
[00:15] <diabolo> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[00:15] <tomreyn> if you use PPAs, you need to keep an eye on whether they work well, which packages you have installed form them, whether they're still matching your current ubuntu release, and whether they're still being updated regularly.
[00:15] <tomreyn> !pastebin | diabolo
[00:15] <mmdiyul> anyone can help me?
[00:15] <tomreyn> !ask | mmdiyul
[00:15] <Siorai> We can try!
[00:16] <diabolo> I usually get the errors when using synaptics or the software update utility- could that be issue?
[00:17] <mmdiyul> it's nothing :D
[00:18] <tomreyn> diabolo: you should remove the "captiva" PPA, since it no longer exists at the location you have configured.
[00:19] <Bashing-om> diabolo: vivid is no longer supported . I bet the PPA owner has also taken the source down "  vivid InRelease >> GPG error: http://apt.nylas.com/ubuntu vivid InRelease " remove that PPA . This one too : http://ppa.launchpad.net/captiva/ppa/ubuntu is not updated to xenial release - needs to be disabled .
[00:22] <diabolo> @Bashing-o and tomreyn- will do thanks.
[00:22] <hardinamite> hey
[00:24] <simulated> Is there a way to migrate .deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives from an up to date system to a newly installed system and have apt use them instead of redownloading everything?  I tried rsync -a but it still wanted to download them.  They would not install with apt install *.deb due to dependency problems.  With dpkg -i *.deb most of them did install but then apt upgrade ended up redownloading
[00:25] <simulated> everything anyway.  I'm attempting to save data/bandwidth.
[00:26] <energizer1> How do I get purple-plugin-pack for 16.04
[00:29] <energizer1> How can I install this package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/purple-plugin-pack/2.7.0-2
[00:29] <Bashing-om> !info purple-plugin-pack xenial
[00:30] <energizer1> Bashing-om: how should i interpret the table on the right hand side that mentions xenial
[00:33] <simulated> energizer1: that is saying that the package is available in xenial for the s390x architecture - but not amd64 or i386
[00:33] <simulated> (under Builds)
[00:34] <energizer1> oh i see
[00:34] <Bashing-om> energizer1: I look'n at this PPA : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/purple-plugin-pack ; rather than the development source . Be aware that PPAs are not supported here .
[00:37] <energizer1> Bashing-om: ok thanks for the caution. does that mean i can download the ppa for xenial somewhere on this page?
[00:39] <Bashing-om> energizer1: This page : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/purple-plugin-pack and under Binary packages select you architecture .
[00:50] <simulated> It seems that migrating the apt cache packages in debian will let you update without downloading everything again but not in ubuntu.  Any ideas?
[00:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> is the ubuntu livecd supposed to be able to handle nouveau correctly?
[00:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> because my onboard gpu is working, and it seems to detect my gtx970, but i get no output on the second display
[00:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> granted, it's a 3440x1440 display hooked up over displayport, but it should still work, right?
[00:54] <Arcaire> Yo, I just installed Ubuntu on a relatively new laptop - Nvidia 960M or so, Skylake Intel CPU, and when I reboot into it, it freezes on the Ubuntu splash just after I put in my disk decryption key.
[00:54] <Arcaire> I'm using the nouveau drivers, didn't install the proprietary ones.
[00:55] <Arcaire> There's no logs either, it hard freezes everything so I have to force poweroff.
[00:55] <Arcaire> Is this a known issue with a solution, or anything I can do to debug it?
[00:57] <morf> Arcaire: if you can see grub menu on start, select advanced ... then recovery mode ... you will see more info while booting
[00:57] <Westin> hi
[00:57] <Arcaire> One moment.
[00:58] <Arcaire> morf: It booted to the purple options screen.
[00:58] <Arcaire> Anything I can do to show logs as it hard-crashes?
[00:58] <Arcaire> I assume `resume` would hide the verbose output.
[01:00] <smokeyj_> hey
[01:00] <smokeyj_> What is firewalld in ubuntu
[01:01] <tomreyn> right, you want Advanced options, then recovery mode
[01:01] <tomreyn> Arcaire: ^
[01:01] <Arcaire> tomreyn: Sorry, to clarify, I did that. I mean the purple options screen where it has things like `fsck` and `failsafeX`
[01:01] <Arcaire> "purple options screen" is probably a very vague descriptor for Ubuntu, I realise. :P
[01:01] <peyam> hi, IS there any gtk pdf editor? I just want to lay comments on some PDFs. is it possible?
[01:02] <smokeyj_> Whats the deamon in Ubuntu?
[01:02] <smokeyj_> For firewall?
[01:02] <Arcaire> smokeyj_: firewalld is a frontend for iptables, so that's what you're after.
[01:03] <smokeyj_> Tiered as hell and wont sleep untill I fix my shit so all help is really...
[01:03] <Arcaire> Or you could interface with iptables directly.
[01:03] <smokeyj_> So the long way
[01:03] <smokeyj_> ok thanks
[01:06] <peyam> anybody?
[01:09] <morf> Arcaire: well try the resume first, you should see detailed messages how it's booting ... eventually you may run into some error
[01:09] <Arcaire> morf: It just froze again. No output. :(
[01:10] <morf> curious... well then maybe boot from install/live cd/usb and mount the disk from it and check the syslog
[01:11] <Arcaire> if i use failsafeX
[01:11] <Arcaire> i can get in
[01:11] <Arcaire> So I actually am in presently, using that fallback. I don't know what that changes.
[01:11] <Arcaire> Would you like me to push the syslog to sprunge or something?
[01:16] <stevie_> Hello
[01:26] <Guest5406> Hello everyone, can someone please help me get a ubuntu 16.04 to a windows domain
[01:26] <Guest5406> ?
[01:26] <tomreyn> Arcaire: it's likely your graphics driver, i think you said you had some newer nvidia chipset? you can check /var/log/Xorg.*.log for errors
[01:26] <pauljw_AOD257> what did you need to do with your firewall, smokeyj?  if you just need to get it up and running and you aren't wanting to use the cli, you can install gufw which is a graphic interface to the firewall.
[01:27] <Arcaire> tomreyn: I'm using 970M, or 'Maxwell'.
[01:27] <smokeyj> No I use cli
[01:27] <Arcaire> It appears to even be supported by nouveau by the things I can google.
[01:27] <pauljw_AOD257> ok
[01:27] <smokeyj> But I am used to Fedora
[01:28] <student123> Hello everyone, can someone please help me get a ubuntu 16.04 to a windows domain?
[01:28] <smokeyj> Could just have done it by iptables set in my ways
[01:28] <diabolo> I keep getting this kernel error when I do dist-ugrade. Can someone help fix this .
[01:28] <diabolo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23611239/
[01:28] <tomreyn> Arcaire: you *may* (it's a PPA) want to: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[01:28] <Arcaire> tomreyn: Aye trying that as we speak.
[01:29] <diabolo> i upgraded from 4.4 to 4.8 kernel in 16.04
[01:29] <pauljw_AOD257> i think you still can smokeyj but i'm not fluent with it, try 'man iptables or man ufw'
[01:29] <tomreyn> Arcaire: that's if you want the proprietary drivers. personally i prefer the open source ones (i also prefer amd over nvidia though)
[01:29] <Arcaire> tomreyn: I'd prefer the OSS ones if they got me to the login screen. ;)
[01:29] <Arcaire> At the moment I vastly prefer "being able to use my laptop" over idealism.
[01:29] <smokeyj> pauljw_AOD257, well now I have the firewall-cmd so no need
[01:30] <pauljw_AOD257> ah, okay
[01:30] <smokeyj> But its fucking with me and I cant think
[01:30] <Arcaire> I wish I had the luxury of choice, but it doesn't appear that's the case. :\
[01:30] <smokeyj> Addded service added logic/rules
[01:30] <tomreyn> Arcaire: bad shopping decision ;)
[01:30] <pauljw_AOD257> language, smokeyj
[01:30] <smokeyj> pauljw_AOD257, Really is this one of tose chans?
[01:30] <smokeyj> those
[01:30] <Arcaire> tomreyn: It's true. I assumed we were at a point where it would "justwork(tm)".
[01:31] <Arcaire> Appears not.
[01:31] <pauljw_AOD257> yep
[01:31] <squinty> !language
[01:32] <smokeyj> why is it denying me the socket....
[01:32] <smokeyj> ohhh
[01:32] <smokeyj> perhaps a conf file is in order
[01:33] <ImUs3r> how can i connect to wifi with linux command instead of ethenet?
[01:34] <squinty> !wifi
[01:34] <Arcaire> tomreyn: voila!
[01:34] <Arcaire> I installed nvidia-370, and we have liftoff.
[01:34] <Arcaire> Is there anything I can do to aid diagnosis of why nouveau doesn't / didn't work for this chipset?
[01:34] <tomreyn> Arcaire: congratulations (?)
[01:34] <Arcaire> It's pretty mainstream, it's last generation's nvidia laptop chipset.
[01:35] <tomreyn> ubuntu-bug nvidia
[01:35] <Arcaire> nouveau or nvidia?
[01:35] <tomreyn> Arcaire: actually not sure, try nouveau first
[01:36] <Arcaire> Roger that, cheers!
[01:36] <tomreyn> welcome
[01:38] <dikiaap> I will remove abiword from Lubuntu, but suggested to remove lubuntu-desktop too
[01:38] <dikiaap> How can I remove that?
[01:39] <tomreyn> dikiaap: lubuntu-desktop depends on abiword
[01:40] <tomreyn> the package "lubuntu-desktop" is really just meant to help you with installing all that is considered to be part of the lubuntu desktop. and abiword is considered part of that. however, removing either won't break your desktop.
[01:41] <dikiaap> tomreyn: yes, I don't use abiword.
[01:41] <dikiaap> I'll try
[01:46] <dikiaap> Ok, thnx tomreyn . I thought it'll break my desktop
[01:47] <Richard_Cavell> Sorry guys, this might be a dumb question, but: Is Ubuntu fully compatible with the machine presented to it by VirtualBox?
[01:48] <JohnDoe2_> Hello there, anyone bump into filesystem error 71 and know what it is? The file is being accessed via tixati and it's on a mount_afp share from a mac. Nautilus has no issues getting the file, writing directories, and so on. So I don't know where to start. My Google fu is not as good today because nothing is turning up.
[01:50] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: Ubuntu runs fine in a VirtualBox VM.
[01:50] <Richard_Cavell> Yes, but that's not what I asked.
[01:51] <JohnDoe2_> fully compatible can mean many things
[01:51] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: right, you're asking a very broad question
[01:51] <JohnDoe2_> ls -la
[02:08] <smokeyj> Where is xorg.conf in Ubuntu?
[02:15] <MarcoP> is it a bad idea to updates notifications like once a week?
[02:16] <MarcoP> hi dax i just noticed you up there kek :)
[02:20] <morf> smokeyj: there is none by default (it's automatic, but you can create it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config )
[02:20] <morf> MarcoP: is bad idea what? i think you have forget there something
[02:21] <MarcoP> sorry
[02:21] <smokeyj> morf, thanks for advice
[02:21] <MarcoP> is it a bad idea to select to be notified of ubundu updates for once a week vs daily?
[02:22] <MarcoP> or another way to ask is are real urgent ubuntu updates common?
[02:22] <morf> MarcoP: i think it's ok...
[02:22] <MarcoP> thanks
[02:22] <morf> you can have unattended upgrades for security upgrades
[02:23] <MarcoP> thanks
[02:24] <morf> MarcoP: if you go to "software & updates" ... check "updates" tab ... there is "when there are security updates" option
[02:25] <MarcoP> thanks
[02:25] <MarcoP> i see it
[02:26] <Bashing-om> smokeyj: xorg.conf us depreciated (DKMS) , howevr if present it will be honored .
[02:37] <JohnDoe2_> Are those all legitimate? Matrix clients?
[02:39] <smokeyj> Bashing-om, thanks
[02:40] <smokeyj> I will just redo this
[02:40] <smokeyj> adding a vnc should not be this hard
[02:40] <smokeyj> Or I could be tiered
[02:41] <Bashing-om> smokeyj: :) .. what is the issue you are dealing with ?
[02:41] <dax> JohnDoe2_: yes, it's a thing we're aware of
[02:41] <smokeyj> Connection refused
[02:42] <JohnDoe2_> dax awesome
[02:42] <smokeyj> Cant find the fault
[02:42] <smokeyj> Or part of it
[02:44] <darkboy22> hy
[02:44] <smokeyj> Bashing-om, checking the info on the service and I've met the reqs
[02:44] <smokeyj> So first hurdle should be done
[02:51] <smokeyj> Bashing-om, input?
[02:55] <darkboy22> check
[02:56] <Bashing-om> smokeyj: Sorry, not been there - can not advise :(
[02:56] <smokeyj> ok
[02:57] <Bo> Hi there.
[02:58] <Bo> I'm having a problem updating an old version of ubuntu and was wondering if anyone here can help
[02:59] <Bo> Basically, the issue is that, even after running all of the correct command line instructions, my old Ubuntu 10.14 has not updated
[02:59] <Bo> I'm trying to get to the latest version.
[03:00] <morf> why not just reinstall... upgrading is major pain in the arse
[03:00] <jesus_> can't install cisco packet tracer on backbox
[03:03] <darkboy22> localhost/phpmyadmin in my backbox error blocked
[03:03] <darkboy22> please help me
[03:04] <Bashing-om> BongoEADGC[m]: A long hard road from 10.04 to 16.04, are you doing " archive.ubuntu.com/old-releases.ubuntu.com/ " at each step ? Be aware a strtong possibility that this will not end well .
[03:07] <xangua> night everyone, installed Lubuntu on a 10 year old laptop, everything is working perfectly but I'm trying to save a little power. Currently the freq is always at max, Intel Celeron (Xeon), Lubuntu 16.04
[03:07] <rangemonger> a xeon thats a celeron??
[03:08] <nicomachus> xangua: have you tried indicator-cpufreq?
[03:08] <nicomachus> it has a powersave option
[03:09] <rangemonger> i was helping someone yesterday and went afk for so long that they were gone when i got back, i cant remember their name :S
[03:09] <rangemonger> sorry who ever it was
[03:09] <nicomachus> rangemonger: feel free to check the logs
[03:09] <nicomachus> !logs | rangemonger
[03:09] <rangemonger> ok cool, thanks
[03:09] <xangua> nicomachus: added the lxde freq icon but currently nothing shows up when I click it
[03:10] <nicomachus> xangua: is that the same as indicator-cpufreq? I haven't used anything lxde
[03:10] <nicomachus> or lubuntu, for that matter, except on a boot-repair live disc
[03:15] <nicomachus> xangua: you can probably use cpufreq-set too
[03:15] <nicomachus> !info cpufreq
[03:15] <nicomachus> oops
[03:15] <nicomachus> !info cpufreq-set
[03:16] <nicomachus> !info cpufrequtils
[03:16] <nicomachus> there we go
[03:16] <xangua> isn0t cpufreqd ?
[03:17] <nicomachus> I think that's different.
[03:17] <rangemonger> are there any PPAs with newer xen builds?
[03:17] <nicomachus> !info cpufreqd
[03:18] <nicomachus> !info laptop-mode-tools
[03:19] <nicomachus> there's something there, too
[03:19] <xangua> this is what I got after: sudo modprobe p4-clockmod && cpupower frequency-info http://pastebin.com/0HLRLd63
[03:19] <xangua> "available frequency steps: 217 MHz, 433 MHz, 650 MHz, 867 MHz, 1.08 GHz, 1.30 GHz, 1.52 GHz, 1.73 GHz" but it's always on the highest
[03:20] <nicomachus> unless you use a governor
[03:20] <nicomachus> knock it down to 1.30 or even 1.08
[03:22] <xangua> after tying to set it ondemand, it says is still using performance http://pastebin.com/SN0gvjXJ
[03:24] <nicomachus> how did you set it?
[03:26] <xangua> cpupower frequency-set -g ondemand
[03:30] <arooni> mail /var/log/mail.log.1 is 5.1GB  ; id like to clean it out;  when i try sudo sh -c "echo ''" > mail.log.1 ;;; it doesnt work;  how can i truncate this?
[03:36] <Ben64> arooni: it loses sudo after the >
[03:37] <arooni> so i have to run su first ?
[03:37] <Ben64> no
[03:37] <arooni>  sudo sh cat /dev/null > mail.log.1  ;; doesnt work
[03:37] <Ben64> yes, because it still loses sudo after the >
[03:37] <ilhami> lol
[03:37] <Ben64> echo '' | sudo tee mail.log.1
[03:38] <arooni> interesting; put the sudo in the writing part
[03:38] <wwwyzz3rddd> and how
[03:38] <Disaster_Area> anyone recommend a program as a replacement for microsoft paint?
[03:39] <Ben64> gimp
[03:39] <wwwyzz3rddd> yea all of them
[03:39] <kk4ewt> tuxpaint
[03:39] <ilhami> Ben64, GIMP as replacement for Paint? :D
[03:39] <ilhami> Paint is very basic
[03:39] <ilhami> GIMP is pretty advanced.
[03:39] <Ben64> so use less buttons
[03:40] <rangemonger> Disaster_Area: kolourpaint
[03:40] <Disaster_Area> thanks rangemonger
[03:40] <rangemonger> np
[03:40] <morf> pretty advanced up to some point
[03:40] <morf> let's say up to the point when you want use cmyk...
[03:40] <rangemonger> gimps more of a photoshop replacement
[03:40] <ilhami> rangemonger, agreed
[03:41] <Disaster_Area> ya i just want something super basic so I can draw a circle around something and an arrow pointing at it to show how to make use of some quick links on a site I moderate
[03:41] <morf> that's why there is gimp
[03:41] <morf> it will do just fine
[03:42] <Disaster_Area> I'll try that too then
[03:43] <RasAlGhoul> sudo rm -rf /
[03:43] <ilhami> ?
[03:44] <rangemonger> RasAlGhoul: is trying to ruin someones life
[03:44] <pauljw_AOD257> don't do that RasAlGhoul you'll be banned
[03:44] <RasAlGhoul> someone told me theres a bot
[03:44] <RasAlGhoul> that auto bans you if you type that
[03:44] <RasAlGhoul> idk what it even is
[03:44] <pauljw_AOD257> yeah, right
[03:44] <ilhami> you don't know what what is?
[03:45]  * JohnDoe2_ thinks RasAlGhoul smells of stale troll
[03:45] <Finetundra_> It's a command to delete the / directory
[03:45] <RasAlGhoul> yeah i dont use linux
[03:45] <Finetundra_> And everything within it
[03:45] <RasAlGhoul> was in some other chan people were saying about how there's a bot in here that bans you for typing it
[03:45] <RasAlGhoul> just wanted to try it out
[03:45] <kk4ewt> should be
[03:46] <RasAlGhoul> Oh well I guess I now know what that command does
[03:46] <RasAlGhoul> Thanks Finetundra_
[03:47] <ilhami> stop trolling RasAlGhoul
[03:47] <RasAlGhoul> Not trolling but whatever
[03:48] <wedgie> Disaster_Area: maybe look at Shutter
[03:54] <salim> hello
[03:54] <ilhami> hello
[03:55] <salim> apa kabar bro ?
[03:56] <ilhami> English please.
[03:56] <dreamable> is this used?
[03:56] <ilhami> is what used?
[03:56] <salim> how are you ?
[03:57] <ilhami> fine and you?
[03:57] <dreamable> there is anybody here?
[03:57] <dreamable> wow
[03:57] <dreamable> people
[03:57] <ilhami> dreamable, of course.
[03:57] <dreamable> fine
[03:57] <ilhami> 1512 people
[03:58] <dreamable> just started with linux, just fine
[03:58] <ilhami> great.
[04:02] <selite> How do I check in which bash or zsh file is my command ran each time I start terminal?
[04:02] <selite> I want to delete it.
[04:02] <arooni> hey folks; set up a kernel crashdump on ubuntu 16.04 to figure out why i'm not able to resume from suspend on my t420;  how do i access it?  or have it tell me something useful?
[04:02] <dreamable> no idea
[04:05] <dreamable> there are risks for use irc?
[04:05] <dreamable> i mean, it open a port
[04:13] <arooni> hey so; can you upgrade/downgrade your kernel?
[04:14] <morf> sure why not
[04:26] <darkblue> hello
[04:28] <arooni> my laptpo is not resuming; [ 2694.414875] Kernel panic - not syncing: stack-protector: Kernel stack is corrupted in: ffffffff8161e6ad ;; what does this mean
[04:30] <Ben64> probably means the kernel stack is corrupted in ffffffff8161e6ad
[04:33] <darkblue> Are there some people living in China?
[04:35] <tangwenhao> is there  any theme for ubuntu 16.04?
[04:37] <darkblue> I found my ubuntu14..04 sometimes is not stable
[04:38] <darkblue> Once I open my computer I could not find my cursor of my mouse on the desktop!!
[04:38] <tangwenhao> i found many themes are not stable for unbuntu 16.04
[04:43] <darkblue> It is not the case of themes...
[04:45] <kapil> darkblue Are you installing updates ??
[04:46] <darkblue> no
[04:46] <tangwenhao> i want to know the website that can download ubuntu softwares
[04:46] <darkblue> I just install the version of 14.04
[04:47] <darkblue> the desktop environment is unity
[04:48] <Bashing-om> !themes xenial
[04:53] <Shorty__> I'm looking to share a folder on an lxd host between multiple containers.. Is this possible?
[04:54] <Shorty__> I'm specifically trying to avoid using NFS
[05:03] <erick_lara> hi?
[05:04] <Guest27887> hi
[05:04] <erick_lara> what are you doing
[05:04] <erick_lara> XD
[05:04] <Guest27887> me? I'm trying to update Ubuntu
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> !update | Guest27887
[05:05] <erick_lara> yeep
[05:05] <Guest27887> yeah, i got it, it's running now. But I always run into problems. Waiting for problems to occur
[05:06] <erick_lara> to the last version of ubuntu or mate'
[05:06] <Guest27887> I'm updating because I haven't been on in a while
[05:07] <Guest27887> i'm trying to get steam on, ubuntu, which seems rather difficult
[05:08] <erick_lara> its not difficult just download the package .deb from the official web page
[05:08] <Guest27887> I've done this, but there's always a hangup. I'm updating steam launcher
[05:08] <Guest27887> right now I click on steam and nothing happens
[05:08] <Bashing-om> !steam xenial | Guest27887
[05:09] <erick_lara> mmm
[05:09] <Bashing-om> !info steam xenial | Guest27887
[05:10] <erick_lara> uninstall and clean the repository
[05:10] <Guest27887> also, network service discovery disabled because of some problem
[05:10] <Guest27887> i don't know how to clean repository
[05:10] <erick_lara> and then re install steam
[05:11] <erick_lara> C: try this
[05:11] <erick_lara> sudo apt-get remove steam
[05:11] <erick_lara> sudo apt-get purge steam
[05:11] <stevendale> !info libc6 xenial | stevendale
[05:11] <erick_lara> rm -rf ~/.local/share/Steam && rm -rf ~/.steam
[05:12] <stevendale> Guest27887, if it hasn't done so, install the 32-bit version of libc6 by typing: sudo apt-get install libc6:i386
[05:12] <Guest27887> how do you determine architecture i386 etc?
[05:13] <stevendale> Steam is only available for i386 and Ubuntu doesn't include libc6:i386 in the 64-bit version by default
[05:13] <Guest27887> ok, let me work through this
[05:15] <Guest27887> can't do anything, updater is configuring
[05:15] <Guest27887> how can I save chat text?
[05:15] <Guest27887> print screen?
[05:16] <stevendale> Guest27887, In HexChat logs are saved automatically in ~/.config/hexchat/scrollback
[05:16] <Guest27887> found menu in right click to save chat to desktop
[05:17] <erick_lara> in the window menu?
[05:17] <Guest27887> yes, highlight, right click, save text
[05:17] <Guest27887> window, save text
[05:17] <erick_lara> cool
[05:18] <FishPencil> Is it possible to have php7 and php5 installed on a Ubuntu server and use them selectively per folder with Nginx?
[05:19] <ilhami> FishPencil, did you try to ask in #php?
[05:19] <FishPencil> ilhami: Not yet
[05:19] <FishPencil> ilhami: It depends first on if I can install both packages
[05:24] <erick_lara> is it possible to install matlab with wine or I just with a virtual box??
[05:26] <ilhami> matlab works with Linux afaik. Who would you need wine?
[05:36] <bubbely> hey can someone help me.. im trying to install PopcornTime.... i download it an extract it, then try running the 'executable' and nothing happens
[05:37] <ilhami> I don't think anyone wants to help you with that in here.
[05:37] <ilhami> since it's illegal
[06:08] <TheNixNinja> Question: I just got a new iPhone runing iOS 10 I'm running Ubuntu 16.10 when I plug my phone into my computer it doesn't mount I tried installing libimobiledevice and gtkpod but it still doesn't seem to mount I would like to transfer images over to my phone. Does anyone have some suggestions on what I might be able to try?
[06:20] <ubuntu-mate> oie?
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> !ask | ubuntu-mate
[06:21] <ubuntu-mate> ok!
[06:33] <rangemonger> is freenode dying here?
[06:34] <kaiza> Salut tous le monde!
[06:34] <ilhami> it's weekend and most people are asleep
[06:34] <kaiza> Hello everybody! I am new here
[06:34] <rangemonger> greets and things
[06:35] <rangemonger> i dunno, people im talking do are losing connections
[06:36] <kaiza> what are we doing here? talking about what?
[06:36] <TheNixNinja> Question: I just got a new iPhone runing iOS 10 I'm running Ubuntu 16.10 when I plug my phone into my computer it doesn't mount I tried installing libimobiledevice and gtkpod but it still doesn't seem to mount I would like to transfer images over to my phone. Does anyone have some suggestions on what I might be able to try?
[06:36] <rangemonger> on here not much but on other freenode chans...
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> !support | kaiza
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> !iphone | TheNixNinja
[06:37] <kaiza> ubottu : thanks
[06:38] <rangemonger> lol
[06:38] <snowden> fighters
[06:38] <kaiza> How could I believe, you're a bot?
[06:38] <rangemonger> fighters?
[06:38] <rangemonger> like snk fighters?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> guys keep it support related
[06:40] <rangemonger> copy that, though it was just mostly filling in for crickets at that point
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: we have a nice #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic channel if you want
[06:41] <rangemonger> heh, i just joined ot a min before you said that
[06:42] <rangemonger> or rather, attempted to, its not working
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: have you registered nick?
[06:43] <rangemonger> no, i see that the buffer says i need to
[06:43] <rangemonger> oh well, maybe another time
[06:45] <rangemonger> speaking of support, you got any experience with xen?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !xen | rangemonger
[06:46] <rangemonger> yeah, i know, im having a particular problem with it
[06:47] <rangemonger> one that hasnt really yeilded any help on the ubuntu support forums
[06:47] <rangemonger> or docs
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: best way of solving issues here, is just ask your specific question in the channel
[06:48] <rangemonger> right... when i try to add a pci device i get an error but i can lock in a pci device a-ok with kvm
[06:48] <rangemonger> one sec, ill paste the error
[06:49] <snowden> cool i am scanning your port
[06:50] <P__> P
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> !ot | snowden
[06:50] <smokeyj> if ur not snowden then i hate u
[06:51] <Sean_McG> somehow I doubt the real Snowden would use Freenode
[06:51] <smokeyj> Why?
[06:52] <smokeyj> Russia must get dark and boring
[06:52] <smokeyj> its not all clock and daggers
[06:52] <snowden> i just called him,he is busy with his girlfriend
[06:53] <Sean_McG> you did eh
[06:53] <smokeyj> Did i mention that I hate u
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> ok stop that guys
[06:53] <smokeyj> slap on the face of our gens greatest hero
[06:53] <Flannel> smokeyj: please drop it and move on, thanks.
[06:54] <smokeyj> done and done
[06:54] <rangemonger> sorry for the delay: Unable to complete install: 'internal error: Failed to load PCI stub module pciback
[06:55] <rangemonger> and if i manually load the module, i get...
[06:57] <rangemonger> Unable to complete install: 'Failed to add PCI device ID '1102 0005' to pciback: File exists'
[06:57] <rangemonger> at this point, im stuck
[06:58] <rangemonger> i think its trying to lock the pci device into a virtual pci slot thats taken
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: try to repeat your issue all in one line, with all details in channel: i have ubuntu/version, trying to install xen, with this error this way other can try to help
[07:01] <rangemonger> using ubuntu 16.10, when i try to start a xen vm with a pci device passed through, i get "Unable to complete install: 'Failed to add PCI device ID '1102 0005' to pciback: File exists'". KVM works fine, as does XEN without a pci device passed through
[07:04] <rangemonger> think it might be a bug in ubuntus package for xen
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> !bug | rangemonger if you found a bug
[07:05] <rangemonger> im not completely sure its one
[07:05] <rangemonger> it might be
[07:05] <rangemonger> not sure
[07:08] <rangemonger> where does xen save its config files to for a vm?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: perhaps the #xen guys might also know this?
[07:12] <rangemonger> its cool, i found it
[07:12] <rangemonger> but yeah, ill try there, i guess
[07:12] <rangemonger> for the problem
[07:24] <rangemonger> crap baskets.... cant connect to my server now
[07:24] <rangemonger> oh there we go, that was weird
[07:24] <Benguitar> rangemonger, We all know that feeling.
[07:25] <Kiryat8_> ndyuscjpwe
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> !il | Kiryat8_
[07:27] <rangemonger> heh yeah
[07:30] <bynarie> ubottu,
[07:37] <ggLinuxNoob> anyone know how to exit x server before installing an NVIDIA driver?
[07:37] <cfhowlett> !ping
[07:38] <rangemonger> ggLinuxNoob: sudo killall xorg?
[07:39] <rangemonger> its been a while but i think that was it
[07:39] <ggLinuxNoob> i'mma try that
[07:40] <ggLinuxNoob> nope, no process found
[07:40] <ggLinuxNoob> I got this error: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
[07:40] <ggLinuxNoob>          '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find
[07:40] <ggLinuxNoob>          suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available
[07:40] <ggLinuxNoob>          on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
[07:41] <rangemonger> try a capital x on xorg maybe?
[07:41] <rangemonger> id try more but i cant fire up any VMs at the moment
[07:42] <marlies> pc12345
[07:42] <ggLinuxNoob> said operation not permitted.
[07:42] <ggLinuxNoob> and then no process found
[07:43] <kbob> pgrep xorg | xargs kill -9
[07:43] <marlies> pc12345
[07:43] <rangemonger> hmm
[07:44] <marlies> marlies0nieberg@gmail.com
[07:45] <rangemonger> whats all this now marlies?
[07:47] <ggLinuxNoob> kill -9 no such file or directory
[07:47] <cfhowlett> ggLinuxNoob, kill -9 is for killing PROCESSES not files or directories
[07:48] <ggLinuxNoob> I didn't initially put a space between kill and -9
[07:49] <ggLinuxNoob> i entered it and a new prompt appeared, as if nothing happened. I hope it shut x off :D
[07:52] <ggLinuxNoob> nah that iddn't work
[07:52] <rangemonger> ggLinuxNoob: im getting my vbox setup back in working order, ill try helping you out in a few min
[07:53] <ggLinuxNoob> google says to use CTRL+ALT+F1 and then use credentials, but it will not accept password
[07:53] <rangemonger> man, what would i do without timeshift
[07:54] <rangemonger> hmm ,just occured to me, i hope i can do those key combos in a vm
[07:54] <ggLinuxNoob> login incorrect. Pfft, what does that mean? what password does it want?
[07:55] <rangemonger> your normal user password
[07:55] <rangemonger> the same one you use to log into your compo
[07:55] <ggLinuxNoob> well, doesn't like it
[07:55] <rangemonger> not taking your standard uname and password
[07:55] <rangemonger> ?
[07:56] <rangemonger> hmm, better add ssh to my server incase i keycombo out of a usable gui
[07:58] <rangemonger> ok, im firing up ubuntu here
[08:00] <rangemonger> crap, i cant send a ctl alt fkey to my server
[08:00] <rangemonger> all remote programs should have customizable sendkeys
[08:04] <rangemonger> ggLinuxNoob: did you get it?
[08:04] <ggLinuxNoob> oh my there are many rabbit holes in ubuntu
[08:04] <ggLinuxNoob> welllll
[08:04] <rangemonger> sorry, i cant really help you much, i cant send ctl alt fkeys over to my remote machine
[08:04] <ggLinuxNoob> I went ctrl+alt+f1
[08:04] <ggLinuxNoob> then sudo service lightdm stop
[08:04] <ggLinuxNoob> then runlevel 5 and i'm back here
[08:04] <rangemonger> f7 goes back to your xorg btw
[08:05] <ggLinuxNoob> it didn't like f7
[08:05] <ggLinuxNoob> i was stuck and rebooted
[08:05] <rangemonger> f7 is the one your on now
[08:05] <ggLinuxNoob> apparently sudo init 5 was the trick
[08:05] <rangemonger> atleast it used to be f7
[08:05] <rangemonger> the one that ran xorg
[08:05] <ggLinuxNoob> it was, when x was running
[08:05] <rangemonger> part of this is because of how ubuntu uses xorg
[08:05] <rangemonger> other distros let you kill it
[08:06] <rangemonger> ubuntu auto restarts it
[08:07] <ggLinuxNoob> oh no
[08:07] <ggLinuxNoob> so I"m still in it?
[08:07] <ggLinuxNoob> crap, says I'm still running x server
[08:07] <rangemonger> if you just press ctl alt fsomething, yes, xorg still runs
[08:07] <rangemonger> normally you could just killall xorg and that would be that
[08:07] <ggLinuxNoob> how do you shut it down and then install the driver? this is a pain
[08:08] <rangemonger> but ubuntu doesnt play that way
[08:08] <ggLinuxNoob> poop
[08:08] <Benguitar> ggLinuxNoob, Nvidia drivers are a massive pain.
[08:08] <rangemonger> im guessing youre trying to put a newer driver than the one ubuntu offers
[08:08] <ggLinuxNoob> yes
[08:08] <ggLinuxNoob> the one ubuntu put on, I THINK, is prohibiting steam to work
[08:08] <rangemonger> i forget how to kill xorg on ubuntu, it wasnt easy
[08:09] <ggLinuxNoob> might have to change distros, but I like this one
[08:10] <stevendale> rangemonger, It was control alt backspace
[08:10] <stevendale> Then it changed to altgr sysrq k
[08:10] <rangemonger> it was but i dont think that works anymore
[08:10] <rangemonger> it just restarts
[08:11] <rangemonger> yeah, it doesnt even do anything anymore
[08:11] <rangemonger> i cant send that key combo
[08:11] <rangemonger> *can
[08:13] <stevendale> OpenSorce, It's spelt open source
[08:14] <OpenSorce> stevendale, If I had a nickel for every time some genius said that...
[08:14] <rangemonger> lol
[08:14] <stevendale> lol
[08:16] <super42> km
[08:20] <LadyinRed> WE, Will Destroy The Fake Media! https://youtu.be/_sW874V1juU
[08:25] <MauvE> <--- Loves corporate media. Kek!
[08:32] <MauvE> True Meditation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcajfG8kotc
[08:36] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> can anyone tell me exactly about apt update --fix-missing , what is used for and how is it different from apt upate
[08:37] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> apt update*
[08:38] <cfhowlett> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, fully explained in "man apt" in a terminal
[08:38] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> cfhowlett: ok then save your ink
[08:38] <stevendale> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, You use that when A. an upgrade fails to complete due to user initiated cancellation or unexpected shutdown/restart or B you install a package by force with dpkg and get missing dependency errors
[08:40] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> thanks stevendale
[08:40] <stevendale> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, It's almost the same as sudo apt-get -f install
[08:41] <stevendale> The differences being the lack of -get meaning the version of apt with more eye candy is used
[08:41] <stevendale> (The progress bar at the bottom of the terminal)
[08:46] <ootani> hello
[08:47] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu questions ootani
[08:47] <ootani> none
[08:51] <snowden> strange things happened here,i might got HIV
[08:51] <cfhowlett> snowden wrong channel - play somewhere else
[08:52] <snowden> OK boss
[09:02] <trams_> hello
[09:05] <rangemonger> yo
[09:22] <Ward3> hello
[09:23] <stevendale> Hi Ward3
[09:23] <Ward3> I'm having trouble with my ubuntu
[09:24] <Ward3> can't login into it
[09:26] <Ward3> when I login it gets back to login page
[09:36] <moha> Are old ubuntu releases available on the Ubuntu website?
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !old_releases
[09:37] <cfhowlett> moha, not on the main site
[09:38] <moha> cfhowlett: yeah, I found them here: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[09:38] <baizon> moha: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[09:38] <cfhowlett> moha, note that those are no longer supported so if you have issues, you
[09:38] <cfhowlett> are on your own
[09:40] <Ben64> note - every one of them has huge vulnerabilities
[09:40] <rangemonger> moha: what version area you looking for?
[09:40] <trams_> hello
[09:41] <rangemonger> sup
[09:41] <cfhowlett> trams_, ask your questions
[09:41] <trams_>  how could i use whatsapp on ubuntu
[09:42] <rangemonger> theres an app called whatsie
[09:57] <remid> hey
[09:57] <rangemonger> word
[09:58] <remid> help
[09:58] <cfhowlett> !help | remid
[09:58] <remid> can someone read my messages ? :)
[09:59] <bazhang> remid, ubuntu support question?
[09:59] <cfhowlett> !help | remid
[09:59] <remid> !help
[09:59] <cfhowlett> yes Remid.  did you read the message we sent you?
[09:59] <remid> yep, ok thanks
[10:00] <remid> it's my first time on IRC ahah
[10:00] <cfhowlett> remid, so now is the time when you actually state your question with all the details, right?
[10:01] <remid> yep :)
[10:01] <ayush> hi
[10:01] <remid> hi
[10:02] <cfhowlett> remid, focus.  save the chitchat for other channels.  for tech assistance, state your details.
[10:02] <benjamin1> whois
[10:11] <nkaopq> Hello
[10:11] <nkaopq> Recently I 've got my first SSD installed on my relatively old system. I created 2 partitions: 1 ext4 for Ubuntu and 1 ntfs for windows. Today as I run that dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=64k count=16k conv=fdatasync on both partitions inside Ubuntu I noticed a large difference between the 2 results. The ntfs partition showed speeds about half than the Ubuntu one. Is there a reason for that?
[10:11] <nkaopq> Inside Windows, running CrystalDiskMark and AS-SSD the ntfs partition has normal speeds.
[10:13] <reisio> nkaopq: different drivers
[10:13] <nkaopq> is there anything I can do to fix that?
[10:13] <rangemonger> my uneducated guess is that linux's drivers just arent as good for that particular drive
[10:14] <rangemonger> only thing i can think of is googling your drive and linux and seeing if anyone has any info
[10:14] <rangemonger> maybe a driver thats not part of the kernel yet or something
[10:14] <reisio> nkaopq: what's 'mount' say it's using?
[10:15] <ducasse> not the drive, the filesystem. ntfs driver is probably not optimized much for linux.
[10:18] <Nesky> HELLO
[10:18] <rangemonger> sup
[10:18] <reisio> suppah
[10:19] <Ward3> doing "X -configure" screws up the ubuntu?
[10:19] <reisio> nope
[10:19] <nkaopq> reisio what do you mean what mount say it's using? Do you want the "mount" output for the specific partition (ntfs)?
[10:19] <reisio> nkaopq: yup
[10:20] <nkaopq> type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2
[10:21] <nkaopq> So nothing that I can do? :S
[10:22] <reisio> nkaopq: probably you should read http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#slow
[10:23] <nkaopq> yeah that came up with a google search but I think it isnt much of a help
[10:24] <darkblue> 这
[10:24] <darkblue> is there someone from china?
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !cn | darkblue
[10:25] <oleksandr> Hi all. I use ubuntu 16.04 but it freezes unexpectedly few times per day
[10:25] <oleksandr> May you help?
[10:29] <blackflow> oleksandr: do you have any logs about that?
[10:29] <darkblue> ubottu:are you from Taiwan?
[10:30] <darkblue> oh my god ==
[10:30] <rangemonger> lol
[10:31] <darkblue> rangemonger:do you play this game?
[10:31] <akik> leo was talking about qubes os yesterday but he didn't tell the caller what makes it special
[10:32] <akik> oh sorry
[10:32] <rangemonger> darkblue: what game?
[10:32] <stevendale> darkblue, akik  rangemonger, Just a reminder that this is a support channel - For general family-friendly discussion you're welcome to go to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thank you :)
[10:33] <darkblue> is there some documents written in simple chinese?
[10:33] <OerHeks> darkblue, ask in #ubuntu-cn ?
[10:34] <darkblue> i am sorry about that...
[10:35] <oleksandr> where can i check it?
[10:37] <OerHeks> oleksandr, /var/log/syslog perhaps, or see the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[10:37] <snowden> is that true that people are mocking a real person online everyday?
[10:37] <OerHeks> snowden, not really an ubuntu support issue, is it?
[10:37] <bazhang> snowden, thats not topical here at all
[10:40] <darkblue> i have used ubuntu for about half a month,sometimes the desktop  freezens but the terminal still works...
[10:40] <darkblue> so i changed the desktop envirement from unity to xfce
[10:42] <darkblue> but i still found some bugs
[10:44] <stevendale> What version of Ubuntu darkblue?
[10:44] <darkblue> when i am watching performance online over the broswer i would like to put it full screen
[10:44] <blackflow> oleksandr: /var/log/kern.log, check the time when it freezes. Or enable persistence in journald so its logs survive reboot
[10:45] <darkblue> but when i press the key esc to exit full screen,the terrible event happens..
[10:45] <blackflow> oleksandr: to enable persistence of journald, edit Storage parameter of /etc/systemd/journald.conf, as explained in the `man 5 journald.conf` manual.
[10:45] <darkblue> the desktop crashes...
[10:46] <darkblue> stevendale:ubuntu14.04 lts
[10:46] <blackflow> darkblue: intel gpu?
[10:47] <darkblue> blackflow:yes
[10:47] <darkblue> someone tells me this is a bug of the broswer..
[10:47] <darkblue> i use chromuim
[10:47] <blackflow> darkblue: possibly. I've had 16.04 and 16.04 freeze like that on some HTML5 videos
[10:47] <stevendale> darkblue, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is out :)
[10:48] <blackflow> stevendale: so?
[10:48] <stevendale> darkblue, The application called 'Software Updater' could download a nice tool to help upgrade the distribution to the latest stable release for you :)
[10:48] <blackflow> darkblue: something something about intel driver. switched the same computer to nvidia and everything was fine, so...
[10:49] <blackflow> stevendale: you mean latest long term support. nothing "stable" about 16.04
[10:50] <darkblue> stevendale:ok,maybe i should have a try..
[10:50] <OerHeks> 16.04 is pretty stable.
[10:50] <blackflow> sure is, if you count random updates breaking boot etc...
[10:51] <blackflow> *don't count
[10:57] <oleksandr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23612927/
[10:58] <Toxmi> I've a problem in read path names from a file (no while) and put the content in the command e.g. 7z a Repo.7z "$(List.txt)" which tries to read the path from List.txt and create a 7z archive. But it doesn't work. In my path list there are some pathes with space
[10:59] <Toxmi> I don't want while and multiple execution of command on each line. I just simple want to put the content (with care of space,...) on the command
[11:00] <blackflow> oleksandr: and at what time in that log did the freeze happen?
[11:03] <blackflow> Toxmi: something like    cat List.txt | xargs -0 7z a Repo.7z     but please do check the xargs manual about -0
[11:03] <oleksandr> between 11 and 12
[11:04] <blackflow> oleksandr: betwee 11 and 12 what? hours? That log shows only 7:18 - 7:58
[11:04] <Toxmi> blackflow: Thanks, is there another way? without xargs? I don't know where to find relevent shell guide
[11:04] <Toxmi> I mean more simpler, why just cat or < doesn't work
[11:04] <blackflow> Toxmi: it's either xargs or a loop. you can also use find for real time listing, if that's how you prepare the List.txt
[11:04] <oleksandr> hours. hmm.. maybe rolled. let me find
[11:05] <Ben64> Toxmi: might want to try asking #bash also
[11:05] <blackflow> Toxmi: oh I don't know 7z, check the manual if it can take a file for list of files to include
[11:05] <Toxmi> blackflow: Thanks, 7z was just a case
[11:06] <Toxmi> Ben64: I've asked there but the answers are complex for me: mapfile -t , ...
[11:06] <Ben64> well it's where the answer would be
[11:06] <Toxmi> Ben64: yes, thank you
[11:06] <reisio> parallel works better than xargs
[11:07] <oleksandr> looks like logs have been cut on launchpad
[11:08] <blackflow> oleksandr: you can use --since  with journalctl to make it start at specific point in time
[11:08] <reisio> Toxmi: you trying to give 7z a list of files as input?
[11:09] <blackflow> oleksandr: --since and --until
[11:11] <oleksandr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23613017/
[11:14] <blackflow> oleksandr: the log starts at boot. did it crash/freeze just before that? just before 11:28?
[11:15] <Amm0n> blackflow, journald logs don't survive reboots in Ubuntu, unless you activate this
[11:15] <blackflow> Amm0n: I know
[11:15] <blackflow> and I told oleksandr to enable persistence
[11:17] <OerHeks> to keep logs across boots setting "Storage=auto" needs to be "Storage=persistent" in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[11:19] <ootani> rename
[11:19] <moqois> hi there, what is the best way to mount  a second hard drive to an ubuntu installation? Manually add the fstab or use the disk tool in ubuntu itself? Also, Iḿ quite confused about all the mount options
[11:19] <ootani> are
[11:20] <blackflow> moqois: if you want it mounted permanently, on boot, then yes, fstab is the key. what mount options confuse you? what file system is on the drive and what exactly you want to achieve (mount what where)?
[11:21] <ootani> rename
[11:23] <ootani> rename
[11:23] <ootani> なあないじゃん
[11:23] <moqois> well I have seen "ext 4defaults 0 2", the gnome disk utility gives me "nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0". The file system is EXT4 and I want to use it to store some data and VM's
[11:24] <stevendale> ootani, /nick [newname]
[11:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> !cn | ootani
[11:25] <Ben64> that's japanese
[11:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> sorry, that's totally not chinese
[11:25] <blackflow> yeah that's hiragana
[11:25]  * reisio headdesks
[11:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> sumimasen.
[11:25] <moqois> mount point /home/data or /media/data (not that important) it's more about the abve mount options
[11:25] <mitchel> hi guys
[11:26] <Ben64> moqois: depends what you want
[11:26] <mitchel> How are you guys doing?
[11:26] <NoImNotNineVolt> holy !!! gpu passthrough just magically started working
[11:26] <oleksandr> ok. I will enable it and if freeze appears again I will immediately report to you.
[11:26] <mitchel> GPU passthrough does not work on my cpu
[11:26] <mitchel> fuck intel lol
[11:27] <blackflow> moqois: the "mount" manpage will explain what each means. usually just using "defaults" should suffice, but nosuid,nodev are perfectly fine and actually make it more secure, assuming nosuid is okay (if it's just storage)
[11:27] <stevendale> !wtf
[11:27] <mitchel> What´s the best email client for Linux?
[11:28] <mitchel> hello
[11:28] <mitchel> looks like my chat isnt working.. No one can hear me here.
[11:28] <Dirkos> I have a new lenovo p50 with 16.04. Problem is that ubuntu indicates that my volume is up but there is no sound at all
[11:29] <mitchel> Try changing the  audio device?
[11:29] <Dirkos> The only thing i notice is that my Mute volume key on my keyboard is enable all the times. While clicking it, it indeed toggles my audio on/off in ubuntu
[11:29] <Dirkos> So the button itself is working
[11:29] <mitchel> Dirkos
[11:29] <moqois> thanks, will check that page out
[11:30] <mitchel> Dirkos, go to settings, go to SOound and change the device
[11:30] <mitchel> Sound*
[11:30] <blackflow> Dirkos: so then audio is working too? :)  So the question is, how do you make the mute button disabled on start?
[11:30] <Dirkos> blackflow: well for example, im a bit lost where to look now
[11:30] <Dirkos> I guess the audio itself is working fine
[11:31] <Dirkos> mitchel: there is 1 buildin device listed
[11:31] <mitchel> Weird..
[11:31] <mitchel> Luckily someone replied. Thought that my IRC was not working.
[11:31] <mitchel> Guess its normal to be ignored here xD
[11:32] <OerHeks> depends on your language used, mitchel
[11:32] <blackflow> mitchel: what do you want, a thousand people to reply to your "hello, we're doing fine, how's you?"
[11:32] <mitchel> Atleast say Hello back xD
[11:32] <mitchel> I thought that my client wasnt working properly xD
[11:32] <mirak> hello
[11:33] <blackflow> mitchel: maybe that "eff intel" put you on people's ignore list, could be that.
[11:33] <mitchel> oh,
[11:33] <mitchel> now i see
[11:33] <blackflow> whenever somoene barges and and first thing is eff this or that is usually met with ignore
[11:33] <mitchel> well, im quite pissed that there´s no VT-D support on linux
[11:34] <rangemonger> NoImNotNineVolt: nice!! im messing  with pci passthrought right now too
[11:34] <mitchel> rangemonger, what CPU do you have?
[11:34] <rangemonger> mitchel: huh, there is
[11:34] <hargut> Hello.
[11:34] <mitchel> rangemonger, but not for my cpu
[11:34] <stevendale> Hi hargut
[11:34] <mitchel> rangemonger, I have an i3 4130 which does not support VT-d, meaning im still stuck to that bloated OS
[11:35] <hargut> Is it possible to install Ubuntu Server / partition on mdadm raid5?
[11:35] <hargut> Grub could live on a separate disk
[11:35] <rangemonger> mitchel: bummer
[11:35] <mitchel> rangemonger, whats that?
[11:35] <rangemonger> NoImNotNineVolt: xen or kvm?
[11:35] <mitchel> oh nvm
[11:35] <hargut> s/live/life
[11:35] <blackflow> hargut: of course
[11:35] <mitchel> rangemonger, whats your CPU?
[11:35] <hamdjan> live patching is *not free* in ubuntu?
[11:35] <rangemonger> mitchel: its a bummer you dont have vt-d
[11:35] <mitchel> rangemonger, oh now i get it xd
[11:35] <hargut> blackflow: Is there anything special to take care of?
[11:36] <OerHeks> hamdjan, free for 3 machines.
[11:36] <rangemonger> mitchel: i5 3000-something
[11:36] <hamdjan> OerHeks, i want to use it on a production server which is commercially i suppose?
[11:36] <hargut> blackflow: I'd like to debootstrap Ubuntu to /dev/md1 & have grub on /dev/sde1 for booting.
[11:36] <blackflow> hamdjan: it is up to a few machines, and that free actually has a price: you're randomly selected to be the guinea pig of updates, before the paid customers get it :)
[11:36] <hamdjan> so what do i have to pay?
[11:36] <mitchel> rangemonger, intel logic: i5 2500 has VT-D and Intel i5 2500k has no VT-d
[11:36] <hargut> blackflow: Or do I need the kernel and initrd as well on /dev/sde1?
[11:37] <rangemonger> mitchel: exactly why i didnt get a k
[11:37] <hamdjan> why is it not free though? *confused*
[11:37] <OerHeks> hamdjan, buy advantage or 'get in touch' >> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/10/20/live-kernel-patching-from-canonical-now-available-for-ubuntu/
[11:37] <mitchel> rangemonger, i have an i3 :(
[11:37] <blackflow> hargut: only that you'd probably have to set it all up manually, I'm not sure the installer is that smart. the initramfs should take care of the rest. however, /boot must not be on a raid5 partition, afaik (could be wrong, double check that)
[11:37] <mitchel> rangemonger, anything apart from that, I´m in love with Linux.
[11:37] <hargut> blackflow: As said, manual bootstrapping & finish within a chroot.
[11:38] <mitchel> rangemonger, I moved today from Ubuntu 16.04 to Ubuntu GNOME 16.04
[11:38] <blackflow> hamdjan: for the same reason anything else that's not free, is not free. people wanna get paid for their advanced work.
[11:38] <rangemonger> im planning to get a voodoo3 and sblive to vt-d a win98 vm
[11:38] <ducasse> hargut: the server installer handles installing to mdadm raid quite well
[11:38] <hargut> blackflow: The main remaining questions are the following: Does mdadm raid5 signature start after the mbr/boot sector on the disk? Or do they start at an offset of 0? Or in other words, can I install grub to the raid disks as well?
[11:38] <mitchel> Does anyone run the newest 4.8 kernel?
[11:38] <hamdjan> blackflow, shouldn't sponsors or the support fees cover those costs? ;)
[11:38] <rangemonger> mitchel: cool, you liking gnome better?
[11:39] <mitchel> rangemonger, yeah. At the beginning I didnt, but then I installed a dock called Dash2dock and my desktop looks pretty cool now.
[11:39] <blackflow> hargut: what I'd do is this: I'd use gpt, so every disk has a bios_grub, with grub tehre, so I can easly boot from each. I'd put /boot on a 3-way mirror md0 and / on raid5 md1
[11:39] <hargut> blackflow: The other question is: Can grub read from a mdadm raid5 array partition? Or does it have to get its own partition with kernel & initrd on a separate disk.
[11:39] <john_KE> hey I wanna dual-boot kali and ubuntu and i have a separate partition to install kali any good reads i can use , tried looking online cant land my hands on any ?
[11:40] <blackflow> hargut: "signature"? the partitions are "linux raid" and that's all that's speciala bout it, it's mdadm that detects the level
[11:40] <blackflow> hargut: that's the part I'm not 100% sure. My bet is that /boot can't be on raid5
[11:40] <hargut> blackflow: So I'd rather put /boot on sde1
[11:40] <mitchel> Does anyone run the newest 4.8 kernel on 16.04?
[11:40] <blackflow> hargut: but seeing that grub2 is capable of encryption and zfs lately, could be all raid levels are available to it too
[11:41] <mirak> hi
[11:41] <blackflow> hargut: I'd recommend you mirror it on all drives
[11:41] <blackflow> hargut: like I said, md0 mirror for /boot, md1 raid5 for root
[11:41] <mirak> what is the name of the installer that is used on the livecd ?
[11:41] <mirak> I want to install the installer iton my computer
[11:41] <hargut> blackflow: Got that, but need to see if I can set this up. The raid array does already exist and parts of it are with data on it. I'd really prefer not to touch that.
[11:41] <mirak> I want to install the installer on my computer, to install ubuntu on external media
[11:41] <blackflow> hamdjan: yes and that's the support fees. you pay for them to have live patching :)
[11:42] <ducasse> mirak: ubiquity
[11:42] <mitchel> mirak, why dont you just burn it to a cd and install it to external media from there?
[11:42] <mirak> ducasse, thanks
[11:42] <hargut> ducasse: ubiquity are access points...
[11:42] <hargut> ducasse: Does the installer have the same name?
[11:42] <ducasse> hargut: yes
[11:42] <hargut> Oh, interesting.
[11:43] <OerHeks> !info ubiquity
[11:43] <mitchel> Does anyone run the latest 4.8 kernel
[11:43] <blackflow> hargut: I see, so you want another drive to contain /boot and bootstrap root from raid5?
[11:43] <mirak> mitchel, because I see no reason to be forced to do that
[11:43] <blackflow> mirak: yes, in 16.10
[11:43] <hamdjan> blackflow, afaik live patching is an implementation using the kernel live patching API? or do the packages itself need to be customized in order to be used by kpatch?
[11:43] <blackflow> mirak: sorry, that was for mitchel
[11:43] <hargut> blackflow: Thank you for your help! Will try to set that up.
[11:43] <blackflow> hargut: I have such a setup but for raid10, not 5
[11:44] <blackflow> md0 /boot, md1 root
[11:44] <hargut> blackflow: That is one way to do it. Still I'd also prefer to have /boot live on raid0 3-way-mirror. Let's see how the layout looks ATM and what is already filled with data.
[11:44] <rangemonger> mitchel: im running 4.8
[11:44] <mitchel> rangemonger, and what Ubuntu version?
[11:44] <rangemonger> 16.10
[11:44] <blackflow> hamdjan: I'm not familiar with the internals, sorry
[11:44] <hargut> blackflow: I just want to avoid moving partitions and backing up the whole system for a new layout.
[11:44] <mirak> hargut, what do you mean with ubiquity are acces points ?
[11:44] <mitchel> rangemonger, I´m still running 16.04 due the LTS
[11:44] <rangemonger> mitchel: 16.10
[11:45] <blackflow> hargut: you mean raid1 mirror....
[11:45] <rangemonger> oh
[11:45] <hargut> mirak: https://www.ubnt.com/
[11:45] <hargut> mirak: Its a vendor for access points and switches, phones and so on.
[11:45] <mitchel> rangemonger, I don´t know if 16.10 is stable enough with GNOME
[11:45] <rangemonger> mitchel: seems fine to me
[11:45] <hargut> mirak: But slightly differently written: ubiquiti
[11:46] <hargut> is the right way to write that.
[11:46] <hargut> blackflow: Sure, raid1
[11:46] <hargut> https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
[11:46] <hargut> ^ pretty cool AP's.
[11:46] <mirak> hargut, ok
[11:46] <drgeeekthumb> 1
[11:47] <Rox_Tigers> rangemonger,you use gnome?
[11:47] <rangemonger> Rox_Tigers: sometimes, i mess around with many DEs
[11:48] <mirak> ok, i am not going to install ubiquity, it wants to remove "grub-efi-amd64 grub-efi-amd64-signed"
[11:48] <guerero> hi
[11:48] <hamdjan> are the prices for *one server* or unlimited servers? https://buy.ubuntu.com/collections/ubuntu-advantage-for-servers
[11:48] <mirak> I would have to chroot it
[11:48] <mitchel> how do I update the kernel of Linux?
[11:49] <rangemonger> mitchel: youd need to add a ppa with newer kernals
[11:49] <rangemonger> thats the easiest way
[11:49] <mirak> or i put them back after
[11:49] <blackflow> hamdjan: probably per machine
[11:49] <guerero> strange ip addresses in my router
[11:49] <guerero> guess i'm being spied on , hmmm
[11:50] <hamdjan> blackflow, hm, that'd be pretty expensive
[11:50] <blackflow> hamdjan: but to be sure: sales@canonical.com
[11:50] <blackflow> hamdjan: cheaper than redhat :)
[11:50] <ducasse> mitchel: for 16.04 you can install the 16.10 kernel
[11:50] <hamdjan> just to make use of live patching. i'd rather build a cluster and reboot my system than using live patching
[11:50] <ducasse> !info linux-image-generic-lts xenial
[11:51] <blackflow> hamdjan: live patching is free for up to, I think, 5 machines, but, like I said, that's beta for paid users :)
[11:51] <blackflow> hamdjan: personally, I'd never trust a remote service to randomly touch my kernel. ever.
[11:51] <hamdjan> blackflow, it's free up to 3 machines for non commercial users i think
[11:51] <ducasse> mitchel: it's called linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[11:51] <blackflow> hamdjan: live patching per se is good, if you do it manually on the server, under admin's supervision.
[11:52] <hamdjan> blackflow, i think that's not how live patching works. it will only patch you run the live patching command, thats the same as updating your kernel just without rebooting
[11:52] <hamdjan> when+
[11:53] <blackflow> hamdjan: "Ubuntu Advantage price per server per year":   https://www.ubuntu.com/support/plans-and-pricing
[11:54] <blackflow> hamdjan: no. Ubuntu service live-patches without admin intervention
[11:55] <PK> lo
[11:55] <PK> please help me
[11:55] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[11:55] <PK> ??
[11:55] <PK> any one help me
[11:55] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[11:56] <PK> ubuntu cant start showing this error
[11:56] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[11:56] <blackflow> hamdjan: there's a daemon you enable:  https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch
[11:58] <PK> sudo snap install canonical-livepatch
[11:58] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[11:58] <PK> ??
[11:59] <hamdjan> blackflow, um yea, thats sort of scary
[11:59] <blackflow> hamdjan: granted, I don't know if it's possible to disable the daemon and run it manually, but it's primarily about automatic updates
[11:59] <hamdjan> blackflow, could be manipulated to infect certain hosts
[11:59] <rangemonger> its like ms and the 'we know best when to update things' approach
[12:00] <blackflow> hamdjan: yup, that's the part about not trusting it, ever :)
[12:00] <blackflow> hamdjan: in fact, I go to great lengths to custom tailor the kernel and disable even dynamic modules. that's the most vulnerable and most powerful part of the system. Thou Shalt Not Touch! :)
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[12:02] <PK> [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[12:02] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[12:02] <PK> how to solve this
[12:02] <PK> ho??
[12:04] <blackflow> PK: how did that happen? That should never occur with default installation. Which ubuntu is it?
[12:06] <PK> Linux gh0st 3.13.0-105-generic #152~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 03:42:45 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:07] <mitchel> ducasse, thanks, installing the newest kernel atm :)
[12:07] <PK> Linux gh0st 3.13.0-105-generic #152~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 03:42:45 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:07] <PK> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[12:07] <PK> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[12:08] <PK> blackflom??
[12:09] <blackflow> PK: no idea, sorry.
[12:09] <airTrek> hello
[12:09] <snowden> why there's no scanning result from your IP?
[12:09] <PK> thanks blackflow
[12:09] <airTrek> how do you make shuf output columns of random numbers
[12:09] <OerHeks> PK, what were you trying to do when this error happened?
[12:09] <airTrek> it only outputs lines for me
[12:10] <airTrek> i want to make a 5x5 matrix
[12:10] <PK> there is the problem in Deamon on root user
[12:11] <OerHeks> PK, root user?
[12:11] <PK> yup
[12:11] <PK> root
[12:11] <PK> user
[12:12] <blackflow> PK: you're running Ubuntu as root?
[12:12] <PK> yes
[12:12] <blackflow> that's your problem, then.
[12:12] <blackflow> I mean _that_ is the problem.
[12:12] <PK> yup pulseaudio cant open in root user
[12:13] <blackflow> so don't login as root.
[12:13] <OerHeks> PK open in your user then?
[12:13] <OerHeks> don't use root as normal user.
[12:13] <PK> its work fine in normal user
[12:14] <blackflow> Yeah, it does. So use a normal, non-root user on login. Use sudo or if you have to, su, to occasionally elevate to root when you explicitly need it.
[12:14] <PK> W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
[12:14] <PK> I: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Successfully gained nice level -11.
[12:14] <PK> I: [pulseaudio] main.c: This is PulseAudio 1.1
[12:14] <PK> I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Page size is 4096 bytes
[12:14] <PK> I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Machine ID is 3fdaaf4204928b25ca36c8d20000000a.
[12:14] <PK> I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Session ID is 3fdaaf4204928b25ca36c8d20000000a-1481456566.437484-271330353.
[12:14] <OerHeks> PK,  stop posting multiple lines like that
[12:14] <OerHeks> !paste
[12:15] <OerHeks> and your problem is solved, i think, unless you keep working as root.
[12:15] <blackflow> PK: Ubuntu was not designed or intended to run as root. That message is perfectly explaining that: "not intended to be run as root". So, don't run as root, problem solved.
[12:18] <airTrek> any solution to output columns of random numbers using shuf?
[12:18] <airTrek> making a bash script
[12:18] <blackflow> airTrek: shuf shuffles lines, not columns. what exactly do you wish to achieve?
[12:19] <airTrek> i wish to create a 5x5 matrix of random numbers
[12:19] <airTrek> I can do 5 random numbers in a line
[12:19] <airTrek> but not columns
[12:20] <airTrek> shuf -i 1-1000 -n 5 >output.txt
[12:20] <airTrek> outputs 5 lines of random numbers
[12:20] <airTrek> but I want columns of random numbers too
[12:20] <blackflow> airTrek: how are you getting your random numbers?
[12:21] <blackflow> and somethign tells me this is way out of scope for #ubuntu
[12:21] <airTrek> the shuf command makes them
[12:21] <airTrek> could you direct me to where I could get some help on this?
[12:22] <airTrek> oh
[12:23] <airTrek> shuf selects them
[12:23] <airTrek> from the range 1-1000
[12:23] <blackflow> airTrek: for i in 1 .. 5; do shuf -n 5 -i 1-1000 | xargs; done
[12:23] <airTrek> found a bash channel
[12:24] <blackflow> airTrek: sorry, use {1..5} for rnage
[12:24] <blackflow> *range
[12:25] <rangemonger> baller! finally xen passthrough is working
[12:25] <mitchel> yo guys
[12:25] <mitchel> just updated the kernel :D
[12:25] <rangemonger> nice
[12:26] <mitchel> 4.8.0-30
[12:26] <mitchel> also what I like about Ubuntu, is that it keeps one version before 4.8 as a backup
[12:26] <rangemonger> yeah
[12:26] <OerHeks> any linux does that, mitchel
[12:26] <mitchel> Really?,
[12:26] <mitchel> Never knew that.
[12:27] <rangemonger> cant beleive im finally getting some xen pci goodness
[12:27] <mitchel> You´re looking forward to game, rangemonger?
[12:28] <rangemonger> nothing specific atm, just going to be schweet having a win98 vm running with a voodoo3 pci and and sblive pci
[12:28] <mitchel> wow, awesome!
[12:28] <rangemonger> yeah
[12:29] <mitchel> well, I´m using Linux for 3 months now and I absolutely love it.
[12:29] <rangemonger> i wonder if i can get an isa bridge to use an awe64 too
[12:29] <rangemonger> yeah, its a bit rough on the edges but there are so many options is nuts
[12:30] <mitchel> customisability :)
[12:30] <blackflow> I'll ask you again when you hit the 12 months mark :)
[12:31] <mitchel> blackflow you´re talking to me?
[12:31] <blackflow> mitchel: ah, yeah, sorry didn't highlight you :)
[12:32] <rangemonger> just use timeshift, then you can mangle linux and undo it
[12:32] <rangemonger> it really helps for learning things
[12:32] <mitchel> blackflow, You can ask me when I hit the 12 months mark, I´ve used Linux before especially on VM´s, then 3 months ago I decided to install Ubuntu 16.04 on my pc, it was a pain in the ass at the beginning due the fact that I have a UEFI Based system
[12:34] <blackflow> mitchel: ah and no legacy boot option?
[12:34] <mitchel> blackflow, I could, but I have Windows installed on this system aswell, I use it for gaming.
[12:34] <mitchel> blackflow, for the rest I use Linux as my daily OS.
[12:34] <blackflow> can't boot into win with bios mode?
[12:35] <mitchel> Nope. I cant.
[12:35] <rangemonger> that would require a reinstall of windows
[12:35] <blackflow> I see.
[12:35] <mitchel> Windows is installed on UEFI.
[12:35] <mitchel> There´s only one fear I have right now is when Windows overwrites the grub bootloader
[12:35] <rangemonger> i wonder if new motherboards still have bios emulation
[12:35] <oleksandr> Hi all. My system freezes. Ubuntu 16.04. Can't figure out the reason. Here is a logs for this period http://paste.ubuntu.com/23613263/
[12:35] <mitchel> UEFI boards stil l do.
[12:36] <mitchel> still do*
[12:36] <blackflow> mitchel: keep an usb stick with Ubuntu live around
[12:36] <mitchel> blackflow, is there anywhere a tutorial how I can reinstall the grub bootloader when needed?
[12:36] <rangemonger> oleksandr: at what time did it freeze?
[12:36] <blackflow> oleksandr: You need to enable persistent logging for journald, in order to show the logs of things that happened just before reboot
[12:37] <mitchel> oleksandr, Is the system stuck at blackscreen at the beginning?
[12:37] <blackflow> oleksandr: like I said, you need to set up Storage parameter of /etc/systemd/journald.con, as it is explained in `man 5 journald.conf` manpage
[12:38] <oleksandr> 14:18
[12:38] <oleksandr> I set it
[12:38] <blackflow> mitchel: I don't know, maybe google has it
[12:38] <blackflow> oleksandr: so after 14:17:23 it freezes and you have to reboot?
[12:38] <mitchel> blackflow, xd
[12:38] <oleksandr> yes
[12:38] <rangemonger> mitchel: theres a grub setup tool with a gui in a ppa im using, want that?
[12:38] <mitchel> rangemonger, sure :
[12:39] <rangemonger> ok one sec here...
[12:39] <blackflow> mitchel: well yeah. I can give you tl;dr tho. boot ubuntu live usb thing. chroot into your root, run grub-install on your disk.
[12:39] <rangemonger> mitchel: https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/ubuntu/grub-customizer
[12:39] <rangemonger> grub customizer
[12:39] <mitchel> mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[12:39] <blackflow> mitchel: now, the "where" part of grub-install depends, I've never done it for uefi, so I can't help there.
[12:40] <mitchel> black, during ubuntu installation I had to point the bootloader to /dev/sda3
[12:40] <mitchel> do I have to run grub-install /dev/sda3?
[12:40] <blackflow> oleksandr: is it intel gpu?
[12:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, not seen all your messages, but try pointing grub to the windows boot loader uefi on such a systme
[12:40] <blackflow> oleksandr: I've had intel gpus randomly freeze, though turned out mostly when HTML5 videos were played by chromium
[12:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, on the custom partitning at the bottom I guess
[12:41] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, I know. But how to do this in terminal?
[12:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, you ca't or easilly,  you just want to do everything from installer
[12:41] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, Incase you didnt read, sometimes Ms can be a PoS and overwrites the grub bootloader, my question is, how can I reinstall the grub bootloader once lost
[12:41] <rangemonger> mitchel: grub customizer might really help you there
[12:41] <blackflow> mitchel: like I said, I don't know about uefi installs. for normal, legacy gpt boots, you'd need a bios_grub partition, and grub-install /dev/sda  (just sda, no number)
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, UEFI is differnet to the old bios systems in quite a few wyas
[12:42] <mitchel> blackflow, during installation of ubuntu i had to point it to the EFI partition it was /dev/sda3
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, you have to have Ubuntu or any other LInux working with the Windows UEFI set up, to dual boot
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, it generally has to rely on Windows UEFI,  and do it the WIndows way
[12:43] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, I already have Windows and Ubuntu dual booted on UEFI, but my fear is when Windows updates and overwrites the Grub bootloader
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, share the uefi loader with WIndows
[12:43] <blackflow> technically tho', you don' tneed grub for uefi
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, no that should be ok
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, oncei t's on it's on,  and you got grub coming up first yeah /
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[12:43] <rangemonger> mitchel: i dont think win update ever does that
[12:44] <mitchel> rangemonger, yes they do
[12:44] <Ben64> no it doesn't...
[12:44] <rangemonger> maybe if win10 does some new dumb thing
[12:44] <rangemonger> but 7 and 8 dont
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, Grub won't just get over writted, and when that happended,, was more old bios systems, when people put Windows on again after Liux was already on
[12:44] <mitchel> rangemonger, sometimes the bootloader has to be updated of Windows, then it just fully wipes the EFI partition and installs the mbr on there.
[12:44] <mitchel> rangemonger, I have 10 unfortunately.
[12:45] <oleksandr_> sorry. my system freeze
[12:45] <blackflow> mitchel: back when I did dual windows-linux boots, I just cut through all the crap and got me a second drive.
[12:45] <blackflow> windows on its own is free to do what it wants, and linux on its own is too. less than $100 investment for peace of mind.
[12:45] <oleksandr_> no, now I had running only hexchat, but as you can see chromium isn't a reason
[12:45] <mitchel> blackflow, and now Linux is your only OS?
[12:46] <blackflow> oleksandr_: intel GPU, though?
[12:46] <oleksandr_> even if I don't run any application and live pc as is, after some time it freezes
[12:46] <oleksandr_> yes
[12:46] <blackflow> mitchel: on the desktop, yes. Steam works fine for my needs.
[12:46] <oleksandr_> intel gpu
[12:46] <mitchel> blackflow, only annoyances i have with Linux is that when I create a document on Libreoffice and save it, it looks really crap on Windows.
[12:46] <blackflow> oleksandr_: I bet that's the problem, but I have no idea how to solve it. the fact that there's nothing in the logs suggests a hard crash, not a kernel panic. that in turn suggests driver issues.
[12:47] <mitchel> blackflow, i had a similar problem yesterday
[12:47] <rangemonger> mitchel: wine+office?
[12:47] <mitchel> rangemonger, Office 2013 does not work :(
[12:47] <mitchel> rangemonger, tried it already
[12:48] <blackflow> mitchel: looks crap in what on Windows? Libreoffice or Microsoft office?
[12:48] <mitchel> blackflow, ms office
[12:48] <rangemonger> vbox+office? ::P
[12:48] <oleksandr_> i tried to install new kernel version before but didn't help. also this issue is present on 14.04, linux mint (mate, cinnamon) and on ubuntu 16
[12:48] <oleksandr_> i'm out of ideas
[12:48] <blackflow> mitchel: yeah, possibly. is anyone still using MS office, tho? :)
[12:48] <blackflow> mitchel: but oh, which file format?
[12:49] <Ben64> oleksandr_: sounds like you have a broken computer
[12:49] <oleksandr_> but it works ok under Windows 10
[12:49] <blackflow> oleksandr_: well... I'm sorry about that. The only good solution imho is to get nvidia. not a cheap solution tho'
[12:50] <mitchel> sorry lost connection
[12:50] <blackflow> oleksandr_: but depending on what you need, and you probably don't need much out of it if you use intel (ie. no high end gaming), you can get a cheap nvidia nowadays.
[12:51] <mitchel> rangemonger, did you get Office with wine to work?
[12:51] <blackflow> oleksandr_: oh and if that's a newer intel, like skylake and such, it might be months until it's fixed. last time and when I gave up with intels, I had issues with broadwell, so no that new a technology.
[12:51] <oleksandr_> on my another laptop intel works good, but nvidia has problems. I couldn't solve them so use intel there and without any problems. So, I'm little afraid about nvidia))
[12:51] <blackflow> mitchel: but oh, which file format?
[12:51] <mitchel> blackflow, doxc
[12:51] <blackflow> oleksandr_: what problems?
[12:51] <mitchel> blackflow, docx
[12:51] <mitchel> typo
[12:51] <blackflow> mitchel: you save into MS format from Libre?
[12:51] <OerHeks> lolz, docx is terrible
[12:51] <mitchel> blackflow, yes
[12:52] <blackflow> mitchel: I see. and what OerHeks said. :)
[12:52] <mitchel> OerHeks, yes but office doesnt read the LibreOffice format
[12:53] <blackflow> mitchel: I always save as Microsoft Word 97-2003. Works fine, but I never do advanced stuff with it
[12:53] <blackflow> always = when I need MS office compatibility
[12:53] <oleksandr_> I'm not sure I will be able to remember the issue. Or... yes, I had some rendering problems there. And I spent here 3-5 days with guys trying to resolve it. So, we couldn't find the solution
[12:53] <blackflow> but lately everyone I know uses Libre, so I don't :)
[12:53] <OerHeks> mitchel, sure it does. odf and odt
[12:53] <oleksandr_> but it's not important
[12:53] <oleksandr_> I'm ok about intel gpu
[12:53] <blackflow> oleksandr_: using nvidia driver, or nouveau?
[12:53] <rangemonger> mitchel: never tried
[12:54] <oleksandr_> tried both, one by one
[12:54] <mitchel> OerHeks, Ms 2010 doesnt :(
[12:54] <oleksandr_> updates and many other stuffs
[12:54] <OerHeks> oleksandr_, intel is no racemonster, use your nvidia for intensive video tasks
[12:55] <rangemonger> i dont care enough about office, i just type stuff on kate or wordpad
[12:55] <blackflow> oleksandr_: Don't know what to say, sorry. I never had issues with nvidia itself and I'd always get an nvidia. intels woudl crash, and last time I tried AMD was 10 years ago, but I hear there's still same kinds of issues :)
[12:55] <blackflow> *AMD = ATI
[12:55] <oleksandr_> maybe some time later) afraid to break something)) oh, I see. I had 2 laptops with nvidia and had issues on both))
[12:56] <blackflow> mitchel: use MS Word 97-2003 .doc   format for that. works fine.
[12:56] <oleksandr_> I'm not a lucky man)
[12:56] <mitchel> blackflow, will try, thanks!
[12:56] <blackflow> oleksandr_: I've heard that updating intel-microcode package would fix some such issues. Don't quote me on that, though.
[12:56] <mitchel> Whats your steam guys? :P
[12:56] <blackflow> "whats"?
[12:57] <mitchel> What´s*
[12:57] <blackflow> "what's"?
[12:57] <blackflow> hint hint :)
[12:57] <mitchel> What is*
[12:57] <rangemonger> i dont use steam
[12:57] <blackflow> -.-
[12:57] <mitchel> ._.
[12:57] <blackflow> mitchel: what do you mean "what is" our steam :)
[12:57] <oleksandr_> ok. will try. thanks for your time
[12:57] <blackflow> it's a game delivery platform.... :)
[12:57] <mitchel> blackflow, Steam profiles :P
[12:58] <blackflow> ahhhhhh
[12:58] <mitchel> blackflow, i just like the community here :p
[12:58] <OerHeks> !ot
[12:58] <blackflow> I think my age is starting to show through. And I've been gaming since late 1980s
[12:59] <rangemonger> lol saem
[12:59] <rangemonger> *same
[12:59] <blackflow> "what is your steam"... I get it... like "what is your twitter" and stuff. 2016 lingo. yeah. old :)
[12:59] <mitchel> blackflow, I´m 16 so yeah, older people sometimes don´t get it xD
[13:00] <rangemonger> dag yo, im double that plus 1
[13:00] <mitchel> lmao, im probably the youngest here xD
[13:00] <blackflow> +8 here
[13:01] <OerHeks> guys, move the chitchat to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[13:01] <blackflow> sowwy.
[13:02] <mitchel> I´m a young Linux enthousiast so yeah :)
[13:03] <hargut> mitchel: Better to start early with that...
[13:03] <mitchel> hargut: :)
[13:04] <hargut> blackflow: I'm trying now to get grub2 running directly from raid5
[13:04] <hargut> blackflow: the partition layout what could have been used for / was crappy. and too less space. (1 gb is not much).
[13:04] <mitchel> hargut, its a raid5 is mirror right?
[13:05] <morf> hi
[13:05] <morf> will there be any updated of chromium browser because of this error: https://sslmate.com/blog/post/ct_redaction_in_chrome_53 ?
[13:05] <hargut> mitchel: No. Its XOR
[13:05] <blackflow> hargut: I don't know if grub can work with 5
[13:05] <morf> it's real pain in you know where ^
[13:05] <hargut> blackflow: Have checked that, should work.
[13:05] <hargut> blackflow: at least grub has raid mdadm and raid5 modules.
[13:05] <OerHeks> morf, known issue, we are waiting for 54 .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[13:05] <blackflow> hargut: insmod raid5?
[13:06] <hargut> and there are reports out which say it works.
[13:06] <hargut> blackflow: I've just finished bootsrapping. I think it needs insmod raid mdadm & raid5
[13:06] <rangemonger> raid never seemed worth the trouble for me
[13:06] <morf> OerHeks: any approximate ETA?
[13:07] <morf> hours / days / weeks?
[13:07] <hargut> rangemonger: Let's see if I can get it working.
[13:07] <OerHeks> morf, no idea :-(
[13:07] <blackflow> rangemonger: I take it you never ran high availability production servers with hot swappable drives and raid just kept that server online when a disk failed :)
[13:07] <morf> nerd rage! :)
[13:07] <hargut> Trouble already starts: GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/md3 Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue?
[13:08] <hargut> grub-install: error: disk `md3' not found.
[13:08] <rangemonger> blackflow: youd be right about that
[13:08] <xan_IT> hi, i have a question about graphics in linux. can i ask here?
[13:08] <rangemonger> yep
[13:08] <mitchel> Go ahead.
[13:09] <xan_IT> the complete stack from X to gnome-shell is X -> mutter -> GTK -> gnome-shell
[13:09] <blackflow> morf: do keep in mind that Chromium is in universe.
[13:09] <xan_IT> ?
[13:09] <marlies> marlies0nieberg@gmail.com
[13:10] <vivekananda> hello
[13:10] <mitchel> xan_IT: whats the question?
[13:10] <vivekananda> hello
[13:10] <blackflow> hargut: wait what? why install to md3?
[13:10] <vivekananda> #ubuntu
[13:10] <rangemonger> hello n stuff
[13:10] <xan_IT> mitchel the stack is correct? X -> mutter -> GTK -> gnome-shell
[13:10] <mitchel> Hi vive.
[13:11] <blackflow> hargut: note that there are two stages here, 1 the loader itself which is in MBR and gpt bios_grub partition, and /boot which contains the kernel+initramfs that the loader must bootstrap
[13:11] <mitchel> i believe it is
[13:11] <blackflow> hargut: /boot could be on md3, but the boot loader cannot
[13:12] <hargut> blackflow: I know. Need to figure that out manually. Grub often fails during the installer when you have a bit exotic setup. I just thought I try with md3. but it doesn't make sense.
[13:12] <blackflow> hargut: is that gpt or MBR?
[13:12] <rangemonger> xen passthrough confirmed! windows is using my soundcard, wooooo
[13:12] <mitchel> xan I think its true.
[13:12] <blackflow> \0/
[13:13] <mitchel> mutter is the window manager for Linux I believe.
[13:13] <hargut> blackflow: MBR
[13:13] <hargut> I'll install grub now on sda
[13:13] <rangemonger> mitchel: just gnome
[13:13] <vivekananda> hello
[13:13] <rangemonger> hello
[13:14] <vivekananda> I need help getting a wireless adapter to work
[13:14] <blackflow> hargut: then iirc you just grub-install /dev/sd{a,b,c}   -- of course, use actual drives, i'm just making an example here
[13:14] <mitchel> rangemonger, ?
[13:14] <rangemonger> mitchel: kde and other use other window managers
[13:14] <rangemonger> *others
[13:14] <blackflow> hargut: before you do that, tho', make sure the first partition does not start at offset 0
[13:14] <hargut> blackflow: Still grub does complain about md3. on grub-install /dev/sda
[13:14] <hargut> blackflow: 1st partition does not matter.
[13:14] <mitchel> rangemonger, and Gnome is its own I guess
[13:15] <vivekananda> I read some things on askubuntu. but I am not sure.  The wireless driver is really weak.  I need to be right next to the router in order to get a signal
[13:15] <rangemonger> mitchel: cinnamon might use it too since its based on gnome
[13:15] <mitchel> rangemonger, so is unity
[13:15] <blackflow> hargut: well, I don't know then. afaik you can't load /boot from raid5.
[13:15] <hargut> blackflow: layout is 1st partition 512 mb (empty), 2nd partition 512 mb (swap), 3rd partition raid5 storage, 4th partition 512mb (empty)
[13:15] <rangemonger> vivekananda_: what wifi device is it?
[13:15] <rangemonger> mitchel: i know unity uses compiz for a wm
[13:15] <vivekananda> can you tell me what to type in term to show you
[13:15] <vivekananda> ?
[13:16] <blackflow> hargut: that's okay as long as that 1st is unused. I meant first usable partition must not start at 0, you need MBR
[13:16] <vivekananda> rangemonger,  I need to know what to type
[13:16] <blackflow> hargut: which you probably know :)
[13:16] <hargut> blackflow: I know.
[13:16] <rangemonger> vivekananda: lspci will list all pci devices
[13:17] <rangemonger> it should be one of them
[13:17] <vivekananda> realtek
[13:17] <vivekananda> sorry
[13:18] <mitchel> rangemonger, doesn´t unity have parts of GNOME in it?
[13:18] <rangemonger> mitchel: yep
[13:18] <rangemonger> but not mutter
[13:18] <rangemonger> vivekananda: laptop?
[13:18] <vivekananda> how do I get the name to show up.. before I just hit tab
[13:18] <vivekananda> yes laptop.. it is a hp pavillion from sri lanka
[13:19] <vivekananda> tab still not wroking
[13:19] <mitchel> rangemonger, im sticking with gnome for now, like it far more than Unity so far. Two days ago I installed GNOME just as a DE and today I installed Ubuntu GNOME from the terminal
[13:19] <vivekananda> I am using gnome
[13:19] <vivekananda> 16.04
[13:19] <rangemonger> everythings better than unity
[13:19] <vivekananda> I read that it installs the wrong driver and you need to blacklist it
[13:20] <vivekananda> but I am not sure.  I can do things but I do not know what to do.. need guidance
[13:20] <rangemonger> could you get the exact model of the laptop?
[13:20] <rangemonger> btw, nice username. im in "kanada" :D
[13:21] <mitchel> vivekananda, i did a full install of Ubuntu GNOME today and lost 0 files.
[13:21] <rangemonger> on the sticker on the bottom of the laptop, it should have a full model name/number
[13:21] <mitchel> vivekananda, its pretty easy to do an install of Ubuntu GNOME without reinstalling.
[13:21] <rangemonger> it is, but its not as clean
[13:22] <mitchel> rangemonger, indeed, it isnt.
[13:22] <cfhowlett> vivekananda, you need to run sudo apt purge ubuntu-desktop after installing ubuntu-gnome
[13:22] <mitchel> cfhowlett, no you dont
[13:22] <cfhowlett>  ?  otherwise you retain the unity ... if that's what you want
[13:23] <mitchel> cfhowlett, yeah, indeed, but its not needed.
[13:23] <rangemonger> also good to run sudo apt-get autoremove after that
[13:23] <rangemonger> cleans the orphans out
[13:23] <mitchel> cfhowlett, i just did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop, it installed, rebooted, greeted with a new boot screen, did sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and selected gdm, and thats it
[13:23] <rangemonger> synaptic should really have gui bits for autoclean/autoremove
[13:24] <rangemonger> to this day, ive never seen any package management better than apt+synaptic
[13:24] <mitchel> arch linux has better package management than ubuntu imo
[13:25] <rangemonger> somewhat
[13:25] <mitchel> you dont have to mess with repos and stuff
[13:25] <zdenicka> Hello
[13:25] <mitchel> also it comes with the newest of the newest software
[13:25] <mitchel> you just type sudo pacman -Syu and it updates everything to the latest
[13:26] <mitchel> but arch is damn hard to install
[13:26] <zdenicka> I am struggling heavily with wifi on Lenovo Z51 after two hours of googling and trying I am a bit desperate, has anbody any clue pls?
[13:26] <rangemonger> i still had some oddities with it, though they escape me at the moment
[13:26] <mitchel> it fucked up my bootloader on my laptop
[13:26] <cfhowlett> mitchel, please chitchat in #ubuntu-offotpic.  this the support channel
[13:26] <rangemonger> oh crap, ive gotta go for a little bit, 30min-1h, be back in a bit
[13:26] <cfhowlett> !wifi | zdenicka,
[13:26] <hargut> blackflow: apt-get install mdadm && grub-install /dev/sda helped
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:27] <mitchel> cfhowlett, not really off topic. Just saying that Ubuntu could be a bit more community based in terms of package. Arch does a much better job at this
[13:27] <hargut> Installation finished. No error reported.
[13:27] <OerHeks> mitchel, please stop the offtopic nonsense.
[13:27] <cfhowlett> mitchel, again: this is the support channel.  take it elsewhere
[13:27] <mitchel> k
[13:29] <blackflow> hargut: ah you needed to install mdadm... I thought it was part of the base installation
[13:29] <blackflow> hargut: ehhh yeah you did say you debootstrapped, yeah no mdadm there by default
[13:29] <hargut> blackflow: not during debootstrapping the minimal system.
[13:30] <blackflow> hargut: but but but.... it boots? :)
[13:30] <zdenicka> !wifi
[13:30] <hargut> blackflow: Will see.. give me some minutes
[13:30] <hargut> blackflow: looks like grub.cfg has everything there it should have.
[13:30] <mitchel> how can I identify myself with ubuntu-offtopic?
[13:31] <ducasse>   !register | mitchel
[13:32] <mitchel> !register | mitchel
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, sign up on freenode for a name, and log in
[13:33] <blackflow> hargut: root pass, ssh, etc... if that's remote...
[13:33] <hargut> blackflow: most if it is already done, just need to look through my notes.
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, they used to let non registered accounts in there bofore I belive, but then issues with trolls  ( such as you :d joke )
[13:34] <hargut> blackflow: most importantly /etc/fstab. ;)
[13:34] <blackflow> hargut: well, if it's only root, you don't explicitly need it, but sure, nice to have
[13:34] <vivekananda_> hello.. I was speaking with rangemonger.. but I think I was disconnected and needed to reboot
[13:34] <vivekananda_> this is ubuntu
[13:34] <vivekananda_> right?
[13:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda well back in here now ubuntu
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemongar no longer here it seems
[13:35] <hargut> blackflow: Oh, didn't know that.
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats your issue?
[13:35] <vivekananda_> I have a wireless controller that is not working well realtek  I need help to figure out if some settings can help increase the range.. I need to be right next to the router to work
[13:35] <hargut> blackflow: I've always created the fstab.
[13:35] <blackflow> hargut: don't quote me on that. I'm used to ZFS lately and can't remember last time I did fstab. But iirc, it's not needed for root, unless you want to specify options etc... but yeah, nice to have.
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda a wireless controller hmm, what device ?
[13:36] <vivekananda_> hp laptop
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what you mean by controller ?
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the built in wireless ?
[13:36] <vivekananda_> Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or a dongle or something
[13:36] <vivekananda_> no it is wifi
[13:36] <hargut> blackflow: Your statement makes sense, / has already to be defined during loading the kernel. So if it's the only partition there is no particular need for the fstab.
[13:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda  I can't help much with wifi, but you could look for a possible driver,  in addiontal drivers
[13:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda  search unity for additional drivers, might be something in there,
[13:37] <blackflow> hargut: precisely. so iirc no fstab is okay, but if it's there, it has to be correct or else boom :)
[13:38] <blackflow> hargut: as in, if it defines / mount, it has to be correct   (empty fstab is okay too)
[13:39] <OerHeks> vivekananda_, some have benefit with this ppa with patched driver https://chirath02.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/installing-realtek-rtl8723be-driver-for-ubuntu-16-04/ >> https://launchpad.net/~hanipouspilot/+archive/ubuntu/rtlwifi
[13:40] <OerHeks> vivekananda_, basicly it comes from this git http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[13:43] <vivekananda> SebthreeBQM10HD, I lost the intenet again and rejoined
[13:43] <vivekananda> I am on a usb tether now
[13:43] <OerHeks> vivekananda_, some have benefit with this ppa with patched driver https://chirath02.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/installing-realtek-rtl8723be-driver-for-ubuntu-16-04/ >> https://launchpad.net/~hanipouspilot/+archive/ubuntu/rtlwifi
[13:44] <OerHeks> vivekananda_, basicly it comes from this git http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[13:44] <vivekananda> SebthreeBQM10HD, were there any messages you told me before.. I did not see them
[13:44] <vivekananda> OerHeks, ok  looking now
[13:49] <vivekananda> OerHeks, how do I know to trust this ppa
[13:50] <OerHeks> vivekananda, you do or you don't, mind it is on launchpad and not some website.
[13:50] <hargut> blackflow: Does not work so far. It's kind a weird: When booting from sda it seems that something is accessed on the disks, but I don't have anything displayed. Booting the other disks there is no reaction at all. So I assume that grub is there, and started, but something fails.
[13:51] <vivekananda> OerHeks, ok.. why not.  not my machine
[13:51] <hargut> blackflow: probably the root=/... wrong on the kernel side.
[13:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda, maybe you got a wireless driver waiting to go in addiontal drivers, I put, and can't help much with wirless
[13:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vivekananda, OerHeks  not so much the ppa itself, but rather who is the preson who put it up, can they be trusted enough etc etc
[13:52] <slavanap> hello. How to fix bluetooth not working on Acer Aspire 3830TG? Where to start?
[13:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, not working how
[13:52] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, not detected.
[13:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, not used bluetooth on  a PC,  but oh with this Ubuntu tablet using blueetooth pretty much all the time now :).  probably works similar, somtimes devicies dont just detect
[13:53] <OerHeks> vivekananda, if you have doubts, build the git yourself
[13:53] <vivekananda> SebthreeBQM10HD, OerHeks thanks  going offline to see if there is an option for secure boot
[13:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, make sure bluetooth is on on the lap top, and what device is not detecting ?
[13:54] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, https://i.imgsafe.org/d5a5673ad9.png
[13:54] <vivekananda> OerHeks, I will trust.. why not  I remember the internet of the 90's it was so much safer.  I sent someone a check for a refurbished matel power glove so I could do vr on my 386
[13:54] <vivekananda> it didn't work and he fixed it for me
[13:54] <vivekananda> sent it back
[13:55] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, it kinda bluetooth adapter not recognized, although it was recognized on previous kernel version
[13:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, hmm make sure bluetooth is actsaully enabled on the hardware of the lap top as well I guess
[13:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, a bluetooth adapter oh, something you have added yourself toe the lap top for bluetooth support?
[13:56] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, no
[13:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, the old kernel is probably still installed, if you booted that up, it would work I guess
[13:56] <blackflow> hargut: could try forcing UUID of the root's md
[13:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, but that would then mean that the later kernel has done something to stop it working
[13:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> basically
[13:56] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, in notebook, in Windows OS, this bluetooth provider device is shown as attached as USB device, although it is internal.
[13:56] <hargut> blackflow: Just have turned of splash, and grub timeout > 0, and stuff like that.
[13:56] <edmond> hi here
[13:57] <hargut> blackflow: hoping to get the display up. that would be the best to find errors.
[13:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, right, but Windows and Ubuntu/Liinux will support bluetoooth a bit deferently
[13:57] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, nvm. Looks like I'm on my own with this new kernel version bug.
[13:58] <hargut> GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1" to check if grub is online.
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, you installed   a load up updates into  ubuntu
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, kernel version bug, uhmm  well let's find out?
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, what did you instll updatewise ?
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> just the usual updates, new kernel and whatever else
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from repos ?
[13:59] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes.
[13:59] <blackflow> hargut: is that a remote or local machine? do you have some kind of (virtual) console access?
[13:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, ok first thing to test, go to grub, and load up the old kernel
[13:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, bluetooth works or not
[14:00] <OerHeks> slavanap, did you enable fastboot in windows? that could well prevent the use of usb/wifi
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, something else  that isn't the kernel, could cause the issues
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> OerHeks, uh it's blueetooth issues
[14:00] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD,  I'm a developer I know how it works, but I don't know what they patched. I'll try to reboot now and look if it get "fixed".
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> OerHeks, with Ubuntu
[14:00] <OerHeks> * usb bt/wifi
[14:02] <vivekananda_> I am back
[14:03] <tomreyn> two of you are
[14:03] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, well, this is weird. "Reboot and look if it work" works on Ubuntu...
[14:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, with the new kernel, or the old ?
[14:04] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, thx for your time & suggestions, this bluetooth detection is really strange.
[14:04] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, new kernel.
[14:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, sometiems re booting helps to yeah :d h  eh
[14:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, the Windows way ; d
[14:04] <slavanap> :D
[14:04] <slavanap> personally, I don't like that.
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[14:05] <slavanap> Do you know how to get more "hardware" info according bluetooth on Ubuntu
[14:05] <slavanap> ?
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, well I guess no kernel bug at least then  :)
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no, but maybe this OerHeks would
[14:06] <OerHeks> more "hardware" info than lspci/lsusb ?
[14:07] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, nah. There is something. Now bluetooth just stop responding: dmesg shows [  332.113411] Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0804 tx timeout
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> there's also 'dmidecode'
[14:07] <ducasse> L235: look at hcitool/hciconfig man pages
[14:08] <ducasse> slavanap: ^^
[14:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slavanap, on my tablet, bluetooth drops out at itmes to, devicessomeitems tsop working or not detected at first, I guess  desktop ubuntu would be similar, I can't help much more, maybe OerHeks could
[14:08] <slavanap> SebthreeBQM10HD, nvm. Thanks for your time!
[14:09] <hargut> blackflow: I've hardware access. So no big deal.
[14:09] <hargut> blackflow: Is already up and running.
[14:10] <blackflow> hargut: solve it? it boots?
[14:10] <blackflow> *solved
[14:10] <hargut> blackflow: One could say. Grub2 & Raid5 is pretty unproblematic. Problematic is, if one forgets to configure the network interface in a debootstrapped environment & to not set a root pw, even if ssh access for root was activated. ;)
[14:10] <slavanap> OerHeks, can you suggest what is bluetooth adapter among these? hastebin.com/docojimuku.go
[14:12] <hargut> blackflow: It seems there was only an issue with the display & splash/quiet. But the machine booted at the first run I think. Didn't come up in network as I had no automatic entry for enp2/3s0.
[14:12] <hargut> but even if it had came up, I'd not have been able to access... since no root pw set...
[14:13] <hargut> blackflow: Thanks for your help & assistance.
[14:14] <OerHeks> slavanap, ID 0489:e03c Foxconn / Hon Hai
[14:14] <blackflow> hargut: yeah, that's debootstrap installation checklist :)   root pass, network, ssh, drivers, resolv.conf, .... :)
[14:14] <rangemonger> back yo
[14:14] <slavanap> And what are these errors? [   11.637325] usb 1-1.6: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [   22.221324] usb 1-1.6: device not accepting address 5, error -32
[14:14] <OerHeks> slavanap, its an Atheros AR5BBU22
[14:14] <hargut> blackflow: I just install grub now to all disks to be disk-fail ready.
[14:14] <edmond> what ubuntu can do ?
[14:14] <OerHeks> slavanap, did you enable fastboot in windows? that could well prevent the use of BT/wifi
[14:14] <edmond> newbie
[14:15] <OerHeks> slavanap, as you stated it worked, i guess something else is troubling you
[14:15] <cfhowlett> !fcm | edmond read more
[14:15] <slavanap> OerHeks, thank you. That for sure named not Foxconn. And this Atheros get laggy after kernel update.
[14:16] <slavanap> OerHeks, yes. The bluetooth just stopped working after period of time.
[14:16] <OerHeks> slavanap, wait, laggy or does not work at all?
[14:16] <slavanap> OerHeks, it worked several minutes ago, then 3 messages like `[  332.113411] Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0804 tx timeout`  appeared on dmesg and it stopped
 hello. How to fix bluetooth not working .. not detected.. so you made false statements
[14:17] <badcloud-> I'm trying to run a notify-send script via cron in ubuntu 16.10, running script from terminal works but not in cron. I've tried * * * * * notify-send hello >> /home/user/checkcron.log 2>&1
[14:18] <badcloud-> with/without DISPLAY=:0, env DISPLAY=:0
[14:18] <slavanap> OerHeks, sorry, if you read all my messages you'll get it. In short. It doesn't work after boot to Ubuntu. It started after a reboot, and then on current reboot it stopped working after like 5 minutes.
[14:19] <badcloud-> ~/checkcron.log is created empty
[14:19] <ducasse> badcloud-: your users cron or roots?
[14:20] <badcloud-> ah, just saw that I'm not in the cron group...
[14:20] <EriC^^> badcloud-: notify-send won't put it in the log
[14:22] <slavanap> OerHeks, will do another reboot and come in a minute.
[14:22] <EriC^^> badcloud-: msg=hello; notify-send "$msg" && echo "$msg" >> log maybe?
[14:25] <badcloud-> ducasse: cron
[14:26] <badcloud-> EriC^^: doesn't work
[14:26] <ducasse> badcloud-: crontab belonging to which user?
[14:26] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try it in the terminal first
[14:27] <badcloud-> ducasse: I'm running crontab as regular user
[14:28] <slavanap> OerHeks, I identified the issue. It possibly appeared in recent kernel versions and causes `[   11.383035] usb 1-1.6: device descriptor read/64, error -110` in dmesg. usb-1.6 is bluetooth adapter.
[14:28] <slavanap> Can you please tell be, how what this error -110 means and how to install kernel from building it from source.
[14:29] <slavanap> Or I'll continue googling it...
[14:29] <badcloud-> ducasse: do I need to add user to cron group?
[14:29] <EriC^^> badcloud-: no, it's nothing to do with that
[14:29] <EriC^^> notify-send something >> log doesn't write to the log, try it in the terminal first when you get it running there put it in the crontab
[14:30] <badcloud-> EriC^^: ok. what you posted works via terminal but in crontab only adds "hello" line to ~/log
[14:30] <EriC^^> badcloud-: what do you expect it to do?
[14:30] <ducasse> EriC^^: he wants a notofication, i'd guess
[14:31] <EriC^^> did yu use DISPLAY=:0 ?
[14:31] <badcloud-> EriC^^: trying now
[14:32] <badcloud-> DISPLAY=0. before the line in crontab didn't work
[14:32] <EriC^^> DISPLAY=:0
[14:32] <badcloud-> sorry, typo
[14:33] <badcloud-> I put in DISPLAY=:0
[14:33] <EriC^^> it should
[14:33] <EriC^^> let me try it..
[14:33] <badcloud-> echo $DISPLAY gave me :0.0
[14:35] <badcloud-> env DISPLAY=:0 doesn't do it either
[14:35] <EriC^^> yeah it's not working here either, i just get the log without a pop up
[14:35] <EriC^^> DISPLAY=:0 used to work with notify-send though, pretty odd
[14:36] <badcloud-> EriC^^: yeah, I remember that too
[14:36] <EriC^^> trying just DISPLAY=:0 notify-send something now
[14:36] <slavanap> Hello. How to add public key to apt-key for ubuntu source packages? Now if I download one of packages sources I get  ``gpgv: Signature made Пт 02 дек 2016 18:32:18 MSK using RSA key ID 105BE7F7``  and  ``gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found``
[14:37] <EriC^^> that's working, so it must be something with the line
[14:37] <slavanap> dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./linux_4.4.0-53.74.dsc
[14:37] <EriC^^> try with export DISPLAY=:0
[14:38] <wookie_> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.  While at school my wifi connection keeps dropping out when I am around 20+ students using the same wifi.  Is there a way I can fix my wifi connection to where it won't drop when I'm around that many people?
[14:38] <EriC^^> badcloud-: yup, it's working with export DISPLAY=:0
[14:38] <EriC^^> * * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 msg=bla; notify-send $msg && echo $msg >> bla
[14:39] <badcloud-> "export DISPLAY=:0 && notify-send test" did nothing
[14:39] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try this exact line
[14:39] <EriC^^> * * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 msg=bla; notify-send "$msg" && echo "$msg" >> bla
[14:42] <badcloud-> only wrote file 'bla' with bla in it
[14:42] <EriC^^> no popup?
[14:42] <badcloud-> running from terminal shows popup + writes to file
[14:43] <badcloud-> EriC^^: unfortunatelly no popup via cron
[14:44] <badcloud-> does it matter which DE I'm using?
[14:44] <badcloud-> I have fluxbox running instead of gnome
[14:44] <EriC^^> badcloud-: i dont think so
[14:45] <EriC^^> does export DISPLAY=:0 notify-send something give any popup?
[14:46] <vivekananda_> OerHeks, are you there .. ?  I am back  I am on step four and cannot make it work.  cd rtlwifi_new-rock.new_btcoex
[14:46] <vivekananda_> cd rtlwifi_new-rock.new_btcoex
[14:46] <vivekananda_> OerHeks, it says to build it and then change the dir to rtlwifi..
[14:46] <vivekananda_> there is no such directory even though it built ok
[14:46] <vivekananda_> where is that dire
[14:47] <vivekananda_> OerHeks, sorry I am on step 3
[14:47] <badcloud-> 'export DISPLAY=:0 && notify-send something' in term = works, in cron = nada
[14:47] <vivekananda_> I did this successfuly
[14:47] <vivekananda_> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) gcc g++ build-essential dkms git
[14:48] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try DISPLAY=:0 notify-send something > log 2>&1
[14:48] <vivekananda_> then I rebooted and could not cd to a directory it wanted
[14:48] <EriC^^> see if it says something in log
[14:49] <mirak> "Hash mismatch Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.24.vbox-extpack"
[14:49] <mirak> I got that error when installing virtualbox extpack
[14:49] <badcloud-> EriC^^: creates empty file 'log', no popup
[14:49] <cfhowlett> !vbox | mirak
[14:49] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try ctrl+alt+f1 , login, type DISPLAY=:0 notify-send something
[14:49] <cfhowlett> mirak, #vbox is the channel
[14:49] <EriC^^> badcloud-: then press alt+f7
[14:50] <kk4ewt> sounds like a bad download
[14:51] <badcloud-> EriC^^: works
[14:52] <vivekananda_> Can someone help me.. Here is the web page
[14:53] <badcloud-> could the issue have to do with cron X permissions?
[14:53] <badcloud-> although I have no idea what I'm talking about
[14:54] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try "xhost +si:localuser:$(whoami)" in a terminal
[14:54] <vivekananda_> I am at this web site here https://chirath02.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/installing-realtek-rtl8723be-driver-for-ubuntu-16-04/
[14:54] <vivekananda_> Trying step 3
[14:55] <vivekananda_> SebthreeBQM10HD,  I am at step 3 but stuck
[14:56] <badcloud-> EriC^^: no change
[14:56] <adroit_machine> what is the name of wine channel on freenode?
[14:56] <EriC^^> adroit_machine: #wine-hq
[14:57] <adroit_machine> thanks, EriC^^
[14:57] <EriC^^> adroit_machine: no problem
[14:58] <rangemonger> good news everybody, gnome-music is being revived
[14:58] <EriC^^> badcloud-: aha, i've no idea maybe it has something to do with fluxbox
[14:58] <badcloud-> EriC^^: thanks, I'll search around
[15:01] <ducasse> badcloud-: are you absolutely sure you haven't added this to roots crontab?
[15:02] <badcloud-> 'sudo crontab -l' gives me "no crontab for root"
[15:02] <badcloud-> I'm definetely using crontab as normal user
[15:03] <pampelmuse> Hello. I am usung Chromium 53.0.2785.143 with Ubuntu 14.04 and I have a problem with Amazon. Whenever I go to Amazon, the website appears in a strange format. (No pictures, no design, everything looks like plain text)
[15:03] <akik> badcloud-: have you heard somebody/read somewhere being able to open x11 apps from the crontab ?
[15:03] <vivekananda_> Where would rtlwifi_new-rock.new_btcoex be after I installed teh rtlwifi and built this other thing
[15:03] <pampelmuse> Also the "https" in the url bar of by browser is crossed out.
[15:04] <ducasse> vivekananda_: is this driver from github?
[15:04] <badcloud-> akik: I have implimented this before, using arch linux I think
[15:05] <akik> badcloud-: i've never seen it done but if it's possible you might need to use "xauth list" from your gui session and and then add the cookie to the crontab with "xauth add <line from xauth list>"
[15:05] <badcloud-> essentially I'd like to automatically check for new messages in gmail and have a notification if I receive anything
[15:05] <EriC^^> badcloud-: let me try something
[15:06] <vivekananda_> anyone
[15:06] <vivekananda_> need to go to bed.. 9:33 pm in Myanmar.. (I know real programmers goto bed at 9am.. but I am a monk
[15:06] <vivekananda_> )
[15:07] <EriC^^> i'll try to make a session without using lightdm and see if i can send msgs there, so it's like fluxbox i guess
[15:08] <EriC^^> badcloud-: yup, it still works
[15:08] <EriC^^> i was thinking maybe without using lightdm you're missing something
[15:09] <EriC^^> badcloud-: try ctrl+alt+f1 , login, type DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm
[15:09] <EriC^^> and modify the line to use DISPLAY=:1 notify-send something
[15:09] <badcloud-> but my current display is :0
[15:09] <EriC^^> yes, so it opens a new one
[15:09] <badcloud-> ah ok
[15:11] <rangemonger> is there any way to send tty key combos to virtualbox?
[15:11] <EriC^^> rangemonger: right alt + 1
[15:11] <EriC^^> *f1
[15:13] <wookie_> Can someone help me with a wifi problem I'm having or give me some ideas of what could be wrong?
[15:13] <rangemonger> EriC^^: doesnt seem to do it
[15:16] <badcoud-> EriC^^: also didn't work
[15:16] <badcoud-> I'll be back in a few hours
[15:16] <EriC^^> badcoud-: aha, that's odd
[15:16] <Iarfen> Hi!
[15:16] <badcoud-> EriC^^: thanks so much for your help :)
[15:16] <EriC^^> badcoud-: no problem :)
[15:16] <Iarfen> What's the best option to install ubuntu core inside windows 10?
[15:17] <morf> the best option is not to do that
[15:19] <mitchel> Hello, does anyone use the E-mail client called Evolution
[15:19] <rangemonger> whatever lastbacked is, it just went open src
[15:19] <rangemonger> mitchel: i used to
[15:19] <rangemonger> it was pretty cool
[15:19] <akik> !behelpful
[15:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, some people do, but Mozilla Thunderbird is way more popular
[15:19] <LissajousPattern> so i have a dell mini 1012 installed ubuntu and everything was cool until i did apt-get update && upgrade && dist-upgrade now the system will not boot at all
[15:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, trying to upgrade from which version of  Ubuntu to which?
[15:20] <LissajousPattern> 16.10
[15:20] <rangemonger> i actually want to start using evolution again
[15:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, upgrades sometimes go wrong, and aren't that clean.   you up for a re install ?
[15:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, 16.04 was also long term suport. 16.10 is not, so why upgrade ?
[15:21] <LissajousPattern> and it actually worked at one point in time with 14.04 i thiink
[15:21] <engpy> wookie_, it seems there is bug with wifi, I can't find solution mine. I have still wifi loosing connection and its wifi list, after pc sleeps.
[15:21] <mitchel> rangemonger, I want to know how I can setup notifications without having it to leave it running
[15:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, of  new emails?
[15:21] <wookie_> engpy, but mine works fine after sleeping.  It is just when I am around a lot of wifi users that I can't seem to get a clear connection
[15:21] <LissajousPattern> should i try LTS?
[15:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, I think nether evolution or thunderbird are much good for that
[15:22] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, is there any way to do it?
[15:22] <LissajousPattern> and whats the main differences?
[15:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, which version were you upgrading from. 16.04 to 16.10 ?
[15:22] <cfhowlett> LissajousPattern, mini would probably prefer a lighter ubuntu.  I suggest lubuntu or xubuntu LTS.
[15:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, might be a program for that, an add on thing, but not really for that.  when things go  Unity 8,  yes email notifications definetly :)
[15:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, I know since the Ubuntu tablet and phone
[15:22] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, I dont like Unity 8 to be honest...
[15:23] <LissajousPattern> SebthreeBQM10HD, actually like i said i have not been able to get any ubuntu distro working since 14.04 i think
[15:23] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, And how so?
[15:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, well that's where Ubuntu is going, it's also onl y rather basic as a preview in 16.10
[15:23] <LissajousPattern> this PC has been a dead duck ever sincce 13.04 or 14.04
[15:23] <rangemonger> mitchel: there are likely a bunch of 3rd party notification progs that take care of that
[15:23] <cfhowlett> LissajousPattern, 14.04 is still supported.  Absent an actual need to upgrade, why not use it?
[15:24] <mitchel> rangemonger, for now I just don´t like its theme, and I think that Unity 7 lacks features.
[15:24] <LissajousPattern> cfhowlett, why do the latest release not work?
[15:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, cfhowlett well untill  april it's supportd I think apri.l 2017 next  year
[15:24] <rangemonger> mitchel: i didnt mean only for u8
[15:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, unity 7 lacks what features? therea are various ohter infarfaces you can run to
[15:24] <cfhowlett> LissajousPattern, I do LTS only and 16.04.1 works great.  can't tell you anything about 16.10 but old hardware?  lubuntu or xubuntu
[15:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, GNOME Shell and what not
[15:24] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, indeed.
[15:25] <LissajousPattern> cfhowlett, i am using lubuntu
[15:25] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, i just installed gnome like 2 days ago, alot of features it has
[15:25] <shirt> how can i manually adjust vsync timing? i have a horizontal tear at a fixed position on the monitor
[15:25] <LissajousPattern> but since its based on ubuntu i figured i would ask here
[15:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, GNOME Shell  GNOME 3 is my prefered interface
[15:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, for a desktop compututer
[15:25] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, so is mine :)
[15:25] <rangemonger> mitchel: waitll you try kde
[15:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, on a Ubuntu tabltet or phone pretty much stuck with Unity 8, but that's different
[15:26] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, you use KDE?
[15:26] <rangemonger> features out the wazoo
[15:26] <DoctorD90> hi! im organizing an installation party with my lug. We would like to use ubuntu logo (the circle only) as part of our installation party logo for the event. Id like to be sure I can. I read about logo as "ubuntu+circle" not only abut circle. COuld I ask here? :)
[15:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, sometmies, but I don't like KDE much, yet I was invovled on the commmuntiy side for the last six years, with a more KDE focussed distro,  that took me to events even
[15:26] <mitchel> It was actually a question for range :P
[15:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, got me doing some public speaking even etc...  now that as invovled with that one though
[15:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now not that
[15:27] <rangemonger> oh, yeah, its my fav desktop
[15:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, what KDE ?
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> DoctorD90  that question in more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:27] <mitchel> I use Linux for about two years now and 3 months as my desktop OS :)
[15:27] <rangemonger> yeah
[15:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> KDE hmm  nah i'll stck to GNOME usaully or Unity even
[15:27] <DoctorD90> thx MonkeyDust :)
[15:28] <rangemonger> for general use, i like kde best, for making light, purpose built builds, lxqt
[15:28] <LissajousPattern> cfhowlett, i have tried just about every release of every ubuntu based distro on this thing and every time i do the upgrade it breaks
[15:28] <LissajousPattern> the first boot is no problem
[15:28] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, today I did a fully Ubuntu-GNOME install, quite cool how you can switch between distros without losing files
[15:28] <DoctorD90> it is a little bit related with admins ofubuntu, but i go there if you suggest so ^^
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, you can upgrade from ISO from a live media
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LissajousPattern, online updates can go wrong
[15:28] <cfhowlett> LissajousPattern, are you upgrading in place or clean installing.
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, they aren't[ distro's
[15:28] <cfhowlett> as SebthreeBQM10HD asked ...
[15:28] <LissajousPattern> cfhowlett, clean install
[15:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, it's just Ubuntu, but with a diffenret interface etc
[15:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same Ubuntu  version base
[15:29] <LissajousPattern> and afterwards it boots fine the first time
[15:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, other actsaul  ohter distros, would be  like FEdora and so on
[15:29] <backbox> Guys can i make backbox in usb persistence?
[15:29] <LissajousPattern> but like i said when i do apt-get update upgrade and upgrade the kernel it breaks
[15:29] <mitchel> yeah, i knew that. But once I installed Ubuntu-GNOME over Ubuntu-desktop the boot logo changed, login screen changed,
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> backbox  backbox is not supporte here
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, yes it changes that, but it's still Ubuntu really
[15:30] <LissajousPattern> grub still exists
[15:30] <cfhowlett> !backbox | backbox
[15:30] <backbox> Thanks <3
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, anything you get from the offical repos in this context, is Ubuntu
[15:30] <backbox> Then i'll try kali ^_^
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, if you put Mint on that's mostly Ubuntu, but enough to not be Ubuntu,  since quite a few actusal changes in there, even though it uses Ubuntu['s repos for most things
[15:30] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, I know. So is Linux Mint, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME.
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, no just said about Mint, that's not Ubuntu
[15:31] <LissajousPattern> i have been through this whole process countless time trying to get something to work on it
[15:31] <cfhowlett> !mint
[15:31] <LissajousPattern> even mate breaks
[15:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, as in it's not a offical dervative  like Xubuntu and such
[15:31] <mitchel> oh
[15:31] <LissajousPattern> lubuntu xubuntu standard ubuntu
[15:31] <mitchel> and kubuntu :p
[15:31] <rangemonger> mint is like ubuntu with its own repo added on
[15:31] <LissajousPattern> well i have not tried kubuntu
[15:31] <rangemonger> and ubuntu budgie
[15:31] <mitchel> oh, but you could still add the XX repo to Mint right?
[15:31] <LissajousPattern> i wont run KDE on this old of a system
[15:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, Mint support   not allowed in here for example, even though it's  like about 95 percent the version of Ubuntu  it's based on
[15:32] <rangemonger> mitchel: yeah
[15:32] <cfhowlett> rangemonger, again: it's NOT ubuntu and not supported or discussed here
[15:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, Kubuntu support is allowed in here on the other hand, since that's an officaal dervative, hence why you can just download it from the standard offical repos.
[15:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !dervatives
[15:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> might have spelt wrong so...
[15:32] <mitchel> yeah. Now I get it.
[15:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I think may be a factoid
[15:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !flavours
[15:32] <rangemonger> cfhowlett: relax, i just said "yeah"
[15:32] <Random832> because applying common sense to whether someone's issue is specific to the derivative they're using or not is just too hard
[15:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, notice no Mint in the above? :d
[15:33] <mitchel> Ubuntu Kylin is that Chinese version of Ubuntu right?
[15:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sure, but hardly anyone ueses that I think
[15:33] <LissajousPattern> i just wish i could find a clear answer. the only thing i found was to install xserver-xorg-video-intel but when i try it say i have the latest
[15:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure if that's realy made anymore to
[15:33] <cfhowlett> kylin is indeed an official ubuntu flavor
[15:33] <erik__> hi
[15:34] <Random832> also ubuntu server isn't on that list
[15:34] <Random832> so basically you have to have a desktop environment installed to get support here?
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> server should be probably really
[15:34] <erik__> may i can ask a question?
[15:34] <rangemonger> ubuntu budgie is official now too
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Random832, no
[15:34] <cfhowlett> !ask | erik__
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no budgie will be for 17.04
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but isn't yet
[15:34] <Random832> SebthreeBQM10HD, people who have the ubuntu base system aren't allowed to get support for it unless they have one of a specific list of desktop environments installed, is what i'm getting from this
[15:35] <mitchel> How different is Ubuntu GNOME from Debian GNOME even though Ubuntu is based off Debian?
[15:35] <rangemonger> SebthreeBQM10HD: true
[15:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Random832, that's not true though
[15:35] <erik__> how to sync an ubuntu-touch device with debian?
[15:35] <rangemonger> mitchel: different enough
[15:35] <cfhowlett> erik__, you'll have to ask debin
[15:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, quite similar, since  Ubuntu is based on the Debian testing repos
[15:35] <cfhowlett> !debian | erik__
[15:35] <rangemonger> its not just like adding a repo to debian
[15:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, but also different enough
[15:36] <rangemonger> debians probably the next easiest one
[15:36] <erik__> ok, how to sync ubuntu-desktop with ubuntu-touch?
[15:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nah there are other distros out there that are more user friendly than Ubuntu or Debian, but let's not get all into that debate ;d
[15:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or uh that can be I mean
[15:37] <mitchel> Once Hurd will be released, is GNU going to wipe Linux from the distros?
[15:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, hurd is already releaed and has been since before LInux :d
[15:37] <mitchel> hurd is still in beta
[15:37] <backbox> I was trying to make backbox persistence and i used Kai linux forum and now i can't boot my windows what can i do ?
[15:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, Hurd is apaprnatly quite useable now with the right other stuff,  but no Linux is where stuff is at now.  and  FSF know it to
[15:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot
[15:38] <mitchel> How about BSD
[15:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> except I am not logged in so....
[15:38] <cfhowlett> backbox, as you have been advised repeatedly, your OS is not supported in this channel.  ask backbox channels for support
[15:38] <backbox> ok thanks
[15:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, that's like the next interesting thing after Linux. BSD
[15:39] <erik__> maybe wrong question, how to sync ubuntu-touch with ubuntu-desktop?
[15:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, but mostly only really used for servers and such not desktops.  so ubuntu would be better
[15:40] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD, Linux is gonna be big. And maybe bigger than OS X soon. Maybe.
[15:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, it already is,  but for everyt other tech market,  Andriod, super computers, most servers etc
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> mitchel  for the esktop, you... it already is the biggest on everything but the desktop
[15:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, it's just the desktop computer where WIndows and OS X still dominates
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> you mean*
[15:41] <mitchel> brb back in 20 min
[15:41] <LissajousPattern> not for long
[15:43] <SuperTramp83> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 16.10 (16.04) does not even get recognized by this laptop) on a Acer ES1-533-p4WC, but for the life of me, I can not manage to do it. Specifically, the installation freezes completely (keyboard unresponsive) when installing grub-efi. In BIOS I see only UEFI (no legacy BIOS) and secure boot is disabled. The machine came with Win10 preinstalled. I tried boot repair, no game, I tried manually partitioning the disk 
[15:43] <erik__> noone here is using Ubuntu-Touch and Ubuntu-Desktop?
[15:43] <cfhowlett> !patience | erik__
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> !touch | erik__
[15:45] <erik__> ubottu, there is a lot of information missing :(
[15:46] <erik__> btw. #ubuntu-touch is just for bots only i think ...
[15:50] <nico_blues> it is ok if i writte here ? or i need to do smth elese ?
[15:50] <cfhowlett> nico_blues, ask your ubuntu support questions here
[15:51] <MonkeyDust> nico_blues  this is the ubuntu support channel, write your ubuntu questions here
[15:51] <emiller213> hello?
[15:52] <cfhowlett> emiller213 ask your ubuntu support questions here
[15:57] <tarifa> como retirar a barra inferior
[15:58] <MonkeyDust> !es
[15:58] <tarifa> como colocar barra superior nem baixo
[15:59] <xangua> tarifa: in unity, you don't
[16:18] <user401> i want to share my phones internet with my android tv through usb tethering. which kernel modules do i need to compile?
[16:25] <user401> i want to share my phones internet with my android tv through usb tethering. which kernel modules do i need to compile for the tv?
[16:27] <OerHeks> user401, this is ubuntu support, try the android channel?
[16:30] <vladimir> hi
[16:32] <Bonn333> vladimir: hi
[16:35] <Felix11> Hello, anyone about?
[16:36] <mitchel> hello
[16:38] <Ward3> can someone explain what "X :1 -configure" does in general?
[16:39] <OerHeks> Ward3, in what context? that command does nothing
[16:39] <Ward3> I used it to create a xorg.conf.new
[16:39] <Ward3> and then copied it to /etc/X11/
[16:40] <Ward3> and added some lines to the file
[16:41] <Ward3> like a Subsection to section "Module"
[16:42] <Ward3> dunno if it screwed my system
[16:49] <Threadnaught> I'm trying to format an SD card, but everything I do makes it complain that the card is in read only mode
[16:49] <Threadnaught> even the things the internet says should put it into read write mode
[16:50] <Threadnaught> It's basically complaining that it cannot change modes to rw mode because it isn't currently in rw mode
[16:52] <Threadnaught> halp
[16:56] <SuperTramp83> Threadnaught:  http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/194/~/how-to-lock-or-unlock-an-sd-card     ??
[16:57] <Threadnaught> SuperTramp83: I thought of that, the switch is in unlocked mode
[16:57] <SuperTramp83> Hmm, maybe it broke? :/
[16:57] <Threadnaught> omg so fucking weird, something about the port pushes the switch into locked mode when I put it in
[16:57] <Threadnaught> wtf
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> Threadnaught  wath your language
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> watch*
[16:58] <Threadnaught> oh sorry
[16:58] <OerHeks> Threadnaught, likely the filesystem is dirty, full with errors
[16:58] <OerHeks> besides that, unmount the sdcard to format it
[17:01] <Threadnaught> literally the physical port pushes the switch to locked when you put the card in
[17:01] <Threadnaught> why would anyone make a card reader like that
[17:06] <knittel> hello all
[17:06] <knittel> back with a new ubuntu
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, ok
[17:07] <SuperTramp83> Threadnaught: glue it!
[17:07] <knittel> hmm, i have a knoppix dvd but its heavy in use i think so
[17:07] <knittel> should it work faster when i install it?
[17:07] <knittel> i love the graphics but its slow and i guess somewhat overcomplete?
[17:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, Knoppix isn't Ubuntu, so can't really get support for it  here
[17:08] <knittel> kk, i need to go to the knoppix room then
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, Knoppix also runs KDE, which you could run in Ubuntu
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !kde
[17:08] <knittel> apologize i will stay on topic in the future
[17:08] <knittel> tx ubottyu
[17:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !thanks
[17:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel,  yep just a bot
[17:09] <knittel> big one lol
[17:10] <knittel> i dont believe so ubottu
[17:10] <knittel> and if really so, youre a clever bot
[17:12] <knittel> nothing to speak here?
[17:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, no
[17:19] <MonkeyDust> knittel  i guess you want to be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot
[17:20] <rizonz> can I see in a presseed instal, during the install, which domainname the host got ?
[17:20] <knittel> hello mon,key, ah well i understand this is special for questions and not a hangout
[17:20] <knittel> i'm sorry again
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !sorry
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, it's ok :)
[17:25] <knittel> good explanation :)
[17:25] <mitchel> hello hello
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, hei hei
[17:25] <eg0r>  hi all is there a way to install kubuntu along side windows 8.1
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hei hei
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg8r  yes
[17:26] <GrandPa-G> I am using xfce4 via xubuntu dist. I am trying to get a wifi usb to work. It will only start working when I actually start the gui session, ie login. Any ideas how to get it to start at boot?
[17:26] <mitchel> eg0r, there definately  is
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r,  you got Ubuntu installed already ?
[17:26] <ahrix> - hello
[17:26] <mitchel> eg0r, and you can even dual boot when UEFI, because thats what I do :)
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahrix, hi
[17:27] <ahrix> hi bros
[17:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi girls
[17:27] <mitchel> hi aliens
[17:27] <ahrix> - I live in Vietnam :V
[17:28] <mitchel> Netherlands here.
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> England
[17:28] <ahrix> - Oh
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mitchel, Holland :d
[17:28] <mitchel> Linux community is getting bigger and bigger I believe
[17:28] <mitchel> SebthreeBQM10HD,  :D
[17:28] <ahrix> BackBox =))
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> FluxBOx
[17:29] <ahrix> kali linux ??
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> ahrix  backbox is not supported here
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> any way anyone got a support issue
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> ahrix  neither is kali
[17:29] <eg0r> no @mitchel i have windows 8.1 installed
[17:29] <ahrix> - oh
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> ahrix  type    /topic
[17:29] <GrandPa-G> SebthreeBQM10HD: me?
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, so not LInux installed?
[17:30] <eg0r> no
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GrandPa-G, sure, but I  can't help as such with yours, since rarely use xfce. but I guess there may be a setting to keep it on, on boot
[17:30] <eg0r> I have windows installed
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, and tat's it ?
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> only Windows
[17:30] <eg0r> yes
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok you can dual boot with Ubuntu
[17:30] <ahrix> - I have Linux
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !dualboot
[17:31] <ahrix> - Yes
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> ahrix  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, but on a uefi system which your windows 8 computer is likely to be, that can be a littel tricky or at first
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !uefi
[17:31] <eg0r> i tried searching online
[17:31] <eg0r> they show that there is an option to select install ubuntu/kubuntu along side windows but I dont even get the option
[17:31] <squinty> GrandPa-G, might want to try in #xubuntu if no luck here
[17:32] <GrandPa-G> squinty: didn't know it existed. Will stop by there, thanks.
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, if you have booted up from a Live CD/DVD/USB there should be yes
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in the installer
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, if  you have made one, and it's not booting, that's something else
[17:33] <knittel> france here
[17:34] <knittel> its real international here
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, yes indeed
[17:34] <eg0r> its booting from live usb
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok that's a good start
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, install optionsa re only in the installer
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, boot up the lile session
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try ubuntu from usb
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try that
[17:34] <knittel> i like this page, good way to learn "howto"
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, things work ok enough like that?
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, may want to re size Windows first using Windows, and backing up data as well, before trying to put UBuntu on as well
[17:35] <eg0r> I get manual option to install
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, this channel?
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, show me a screne shot, but there should be like install  ubuntu alongside windows options evven
[17:35] <eg0r> I have resized the windows disk
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !screenshot
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, what kind of computer is it ?
[17:36] <eg0r> there is no install alongside windows option in my case
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, also was fast boot and secure boot disabled  or ot?
[17:36] <eg0r> its a laptop
[17:36] <eg0r> dell vostro 2520
[17:36] <knittel> indeed sebt
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok but it came with Windows 8 so liekly to be a UEFI system as well ah
[17:37] <eg0r> both were disabled
[17:37] <knittel> kk, i need to say the good words but i dont have the hang of linux language
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r, ok show me a screenshot of   wher it gives option for custom install
[17:37] <eg0r> no it came with ubuntu actually
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> did it oh
[17:37] <EriC^^> eg0r: what are you trying to do?
[17:37] <ducasse> eg0r: probably because windows is installed in uefi mode and you boot the installer in legacy or vice versa
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eg0r,  so you put win 8 on yourself ?
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, I thin he's trying to dual boot or intsall UBuntu
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or wanting to
[17:37] <ahrix> - good bye
[17:38] <eg0r> yes, I got windows key when I was in college
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, you can still boot the installer in uefi
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !manual knittel
[17:38] <ahrix> - I go to sleep :D
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !manual
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, i got ubuntu installed in uefi mode
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, I think the manual couold be useful for you maybe
[17:38] <eg0r> they were giving out msdn subscription
[17:38] <ducasse> mitchel: i know, i'm saying he probably didn't
[17:38] <knittel> perhaps
[17:38] <mitchel> ducasse, dual booted with windows thats on UEFI ^
[17:38] <EriC^^> eg0r: so windows is already installed right now?
[17:39] <eg0r> @eric yes
[17:39] <EriC^^> eg0r: can you explain the whole problem in a few lines?
[17:39] <knittel> but i know surfing i have vlc compatible and iu have even java and flash player
[17:39] <meta-coder> SystemD has been pushed to 14.04? Where are the release notes?
[17:39] <knittel> only i can not "firmware" my graphics card i  believe so
[17:39] <knittel> i go to check and tx all
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, systemd is not in 14.04
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder,  systemd was put into 15.10 first
[17:40] <eg0r> @eric^^ I am trying to install ubuntu/kubuntu alongside windows 8.1
[17:40] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok, boot the live ubuntu usb and come back here
[17:40] <EriC^^> eg0r: did you already shrink windows to give ubuntu free space?
[17:40] <knittel> quite a book :)
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, you want a graphics card driver? which card?
[17:41] <eg0r> @eric^^ i did
[17:41] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok, boot the live usb and come back
[17:41] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: I see new systemd package in trusty-updates
[17:41] <eg0r> but I did that in D drive not in C
[17:41] <EriC^^> eg0r: np, that'll work
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, that would suprise me,  since systemd is a big thing
[17:41] <eg0r> ok
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, a major thing
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, I woudn't expect that to go to 14.04 as an update
[17:42] <knittel> Intel® 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:43] <knittel> its an old one i think so
[17:43] <knittel> not sure but i give it more then 10 years
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, oh the computer is over 10 years old ?
[17:43] <knittel> i have it 2nd hand but i think so yes
[17:43] <knittel> but it works fine
[17:43] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/systemd
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, what's the problem /
[17:44] <knittel> so, i need to be careful
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, is that the main repos, or a back ports/
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, if it's one you enabled yourself, then yes maybe, but by default I woudn't think so
[17:44] <knittel> i tried install it the first time and my system crashed totally
[17:44] <knittel> it sais, its not a 64 bits processor
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, install of what /
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[17:45] <knittel> "said"
[17:45] <knittel> graphic driver
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, yes indeed old computer won't be 64bit
[17:45] <knittel> i know i talk 2 things but it was the answer
[17:45] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: It is the main updates repo.
[17:45] <knittel> cant help that
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, make sure you got 32bit Ubuntu installed
[17:45] <knittel> i have
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, Canonical relied on upstart to much for hte mto put in 14.04 I would have thought
[17:46] <knittel> thats easy x86 or 32 bits
[17:46] <ducasse> meta-coder: there are systemd packages in trusty, but they are not used for init
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, an already releaed lts version
[17:46] <meta-coder> SebthreeBQM10HD: It is conflicting with systemd-shim
[17:46] <eg0r> @eric^^ I think i formatted my usb disk i'll have to make live usb again
[17:46] <EriC^^> eg0r: ok
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, Ubuntu desktop 32 bit so i386
[17:46] <knittel> i installed a 200 computers or so in the past , but i do understand the diff between 32 & 64 :)
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, 64bit  isn't so likely to work on 10 years old system or at all
[17:46] <knittel> but all done with windows never with linux
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 32 bit iso
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !32bit
[17:47] <knittel> that is the reason i mentioned the age of the system
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> install ubuntu in 32bit
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then things should work better
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes
[17:47] <knittel> but not sure, the proc = dualcore i686
[17:47] <knittel> not sure wich category i need to put that one
[17:47] <meta-coder> ducasse: Looks like they have made it available in trusty repos recently, for those willing to use it to replace systemd-shim
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, only two ubuntu isoes to choose frojm. the amd64 not that one, and the i386 the other one
[17:48] <knittel> i have installed 386
[17:48] <knittel> thats not difficult
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, i386 1586  or 1686 it's all 32bit and Ubuntu has i386 for 32bit
[17:48] <knittel> i see thanks
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knittel, and  on that system, graphics card should work or enough, if not might be some kind of driver for it though
[17:48] <ducasse> meta-coder: possibly, but i've not heard anything about it. might be some info on launchpad.
[17:49] <knittel> yes,  i leave it so, it works ok
[17:49] <knittel> better then to destroy my computer
[17:50] <knittel> wwith windows i was good with finding drivers
[17:50] <knittel> but linux finds them automatic
[17:50] <knittel> good point of it
[17:50] <knittel> only the wifi can be problem sometimes
[17:50] <knittel> however on this one it works fine
[17:52] <meta-coder> ducasse, SebthreeBQM10HD: They have recently made a lot of changes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/systemd/+changelog  Can you explain what this is about?
[17:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meta-coder, maybe they will force systemd now or kind of, to prepare you for april 2017 when  14.04 will go end of life
[17:56] <ducasse> meta-coder: seems to be about running systemd alongside upstart for those who want it
[18:09] <mitchel> hello hello
[18:10] <mitchel> hello
[18:10] <maslen> What does a configure flag of "--enable-static" actually do?
[18:12] <mitchel> no idea.
[18:12] <mitchel> static is the opposite from dynamic so yeah, thats all i know
[18:16] <LissajousPattern> so i think i figured out the issue with my dell 1012 not booting
[18:16] <mitchel> And it is?
[18:17] <odfhw5bv9s> hi all. How to enable dolphin git plugin?
[18:17] <LissajousPattern> i am going to try downgrading the kernel to a 3. version to see if that fixes it
[18:17] <mitchel> Wouldnt do that.
[18:17] <mitchel> I dont think kernel doesnt have to do anything with it.
[18:17] <LissajousPattern> well i am all ears
[18:17] <BlueCheese> helo ypu all
[18:17] <mitchel> Newer ubuntu´s have parts in their OS that a kernel needs to use. A 3.x kernel cannot use that.
[18:18] <BlueCheese> i Need a thing
[18:18] <mitchel>  hello BlueCheese,
[18:18] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, i have tried arch as well with a 4. kernel
[18:18] <LissajousPattern> and same thing
[18:18] <mitchel> Lisa, can you first issue whats the problem?
[18:19] <LissajousPattern> i did earlier but here it goes.
[18:19] <mitchel> I wasnt online at that moment, so I apologize for that.
[18:19] <LissajousPattern> when i install the latest version of any ubuntu distro i have success booting the new install for the first time after install
[18:19] <mitchel> Yes.
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> after doing the update upgrade dist upgrade process and then try to reboot it fails every time
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> arch included
[18:20] <mitchel> So, you tried Arch and Ubuntu, and both refuse to boot?
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> every linux distro that i have tried has been literally the same
[18:20] <LissajousPattern> mint as well
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> i have tried lots at this point
[18:21] <mitchel> Sounds like a grub error to me.
[18:21] <mitchel> bootloader.
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> i have had ubuntu running before on this same pc
[18:21] <mitchel> Yes, but it looks like the bootloader is broken.
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> but it was with an older version of ubuntu
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> ok
[18:21] <LissajousPattern> so what might you suggest?
[18:21] <mitchel> Try to boot into the system, and hit ctrl alt f2
[18:22] <mitchel> like at the moment it freezes, try to press ctrl alt f2
[18:22] <mitchel> it will probably redirect you to the terminal,
[18:22] <LissajousPattern> ok it will be a minute before i can try i just finished yet another fresh install
[18:23] <mitchel> Format the whole partitions
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> thanks for the help by the way
[18:23] <mitchel> Delete every single partition and re-create them
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, i have
[18:23] <mitchel> Tried formatting your whole drive?
[18:23] <LissajousPattern> yes before the install
[18:23] <mitchel> Partitions are ext4, and the mount point is /
[18:23] <mitchel> ?
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> for some reason the partition says ext2
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> sda
[18:24] <mitchel> Change it to ext4.
[18:24] <mitchel> Ext2 is outdated.
[18:24] <LissajousPattern> when i look at the e option in grub it was ext2
[18:24] <tomreyn> ext2/4 is a file format, not a partition type
[18:25] <mitchel> Ext4 is not a fileformat, its a filesystem. Which refers to partition type.
[18:25] <tomreyn> there are partitioning utiliteis which try to etect thje file system on a partition, and misdetect it as ext2
[18:25] <LissajousPattern> hmm
[18:25] <mitchel> .txt is a file format.
[18:26] <mitchel> ext4 is a filesystem, and also partition utilities have to display it correctly.
[18:26] <mitchel> They probably don´t misdetect it as ext4.
[18:27] <LissajousPattern> from the terminal how do i check which it is?
[18:27] <mitchel> cfdisk /dev/sda
[18:27] <mitchel> sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[18:28] <newbsduser> hello guys, how can I get picture of a link from console... for instance: visitit http://localhost/report.php report.png
[18:28] <LissajousPattern> type just says linux
[18:28] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: if you install ubuntu, it boots properly first time, then refuses to boot after installing updates?
[18:28] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, yes
[18:29] <mitchel> wget (link)
[18:29] <mitchel> ls
[18:29] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: i would try enabling boot messages and see where it fails
[18:30] <mitchel> ducasse, i still think its either a very outdated filesystem or a bootloader failure
[18:30] <mitchel> newbsduser, wget (link here)
[18:30] <ducasse> mitchel: unlikely, it boots first time after install, indicating that some update breaks it
[18:31] <LissajousPattern> we will find out soon enough
[18:31] <mitchel> ducasse, but no distros work for him
[18:31] <LissajousPattern> yeah none at all
[18:31] <mitchel> ducasse, he tried arch, mint and other ubuntu systems and none worked, its unlikely that its a kernel issue or an update that broke it. Likely grub thats faulty.
[18:32] <LissajousPattern> the last version of ubuntu that was installed successfully i am pretty sure was running 3. kernel
[18:32] <ducasse> mitchel: first boot of ubuntu after install is ok
[18:32] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, No. Latest version of ubuntu does not run the 3. kernel.
[18:32] <LissajousPattern> i said the last one that was capable of running on this machine
[18:33] <LissajousPattern> i have had it on here before just not the latest release
[18:33] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, 14.04 runs 3. kernel i believe
[18:33] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok, so at what point does it fail now, can you boot the installer?
[18:33] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, but i dont think like i said that its a kernel issue,
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, i have been able to successfully boot all live usb
[18:34] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok, does the install succeed?
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> and yes the installers as well
[18:34] <LissajousPattern> yes
[18:34] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: but first boot fails?
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, no
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> first boot is good
[18:35] <LissajousPattern> but after update/upgrade and reboot then it fails
[18:36] <OerHeks> What fails exactly? can you paste /var/log/boot.log to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:36] <LissajousPattern> OerHeks, no at the moment
[18:36] <LissajousPattern> and i have checked logs but cant make heads or tails of them
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> i am not that well versed yet
[18:37] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: can you enable boot messages by editing kernel cmdline?
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> yes
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> and i have
[18:37] <LissajousPattern> but nothing says out right "fail"
[18:38] <eg0r> @eric^^ are you there?
[18:38] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: ok. can you try booting in recovery mode?
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> everything in fact says "ok" but it just freezes part way through
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> ducasse, yes
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> and i tried every option to fix it through recovery
[18:38] <LissajousPattern> but nothing worked
[18:38] <eg0r> @Eric^^ are you there?
[18:39] <ducasse> LissajousPattern: if you can boot in recovery and post the boot.log, we can get somewhere
[18:39] <LissajousPattern> and if i try too boot while in recovery it also fails
[18:39] <mitchel> Lissa, in recovery press ctrl alt f2
[18:39] <LissajousPattern> this is why its been so difficult for me to find an answer
[18:40] <LissajousPattern> well it will be a moment i am trying something else first i am halfway through this certain process
[18:40] <mitchel> ctrl alt f2 will let you access the terminal.
[18:41] <LissajousPattern> i tried that previously and even that was giving me trouble
[18:41] <eg0r> Hi all I am trying to install ubuntu alongside windows 8.1, currently live booted from usb
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r,
[18:42] <LissajousPattern> the terminal would appear and then disappear instantly before i could even enter anything in
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r, im willing to help you
[18:42] <eg0r> hi mitchel
[18:42] <mitchel> eg0r, Is windows 8.1 installed as UEFI or Legacy>?
[18:42] <backbox> Salut
[18:43] <eg0r> @mitchel aren't they interchangeable
[18:43] <backbox> No french ?
[18:43] <eg0r> @mitchel currently on legacy
[18:43] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, the reason i think it may be the kernel is because someone else had the same exact problem and he tried every variant that used 4. kernel and had the same problem but he was able to get it working with 3. for whatever reason
[18:43] <LissajousPattern> so i am trying it first
[18:43] <ducasse> !backbox | backbox
[18:44] <mitchel> eg0r, I would still suggest to check it, to do this, boot up into Windows, hit Windows + R and type in msinfo32
[18:44] <LissajousPattern> its really no big deal at this point if it does not work i will try whatever else
[18:44] <mitchel> LissajousPattern,  Might aswell that your hardware isnt supported for the 4.x kernel.
[18:44] <eg0r> @mitchel its currently on legacy, I've checked
[18:44] <mitchel> Alright, good
[18:45] <Guest39387> Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[18:45] <eg0r> how can I give you my screenshot
[18:46] <mitchel> eg0r, go to the partitioning tool and create two partitions: One ext4 partition, about 30 GB minimum, set mount point to /, and a 3-4G swap partition, tick the format box next to those partitions and click continue
[18:46] <mitchel> Make a photo with your phone and send it to me I guess.
[18:46] <knittel> good evening to all again
[18:47] <mitchel> knittel, good evening.
[18:47]  * LissajousPattern crosses fingers while booting 3. kernel
[18:47] <knittel> hello Mitchel
[18:47] <knittel> i'm reading the manual
[18:47] <knittel> its very good :)
[18:47] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, I think it will work. 4.x kernel is probably a hardware related issue, which I didn´t think of.
[18:48] <LissajousPattern> we shall see
[18:48] <eg0r> @mitchel sent you the screenshot
[18:48] <LissajousPattern> success! thanks for all the help though
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> holy crap
[18:49] <Guest39387>  Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[18:49] <mitchel> eg0r, can you please send it again?
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> its taken me literally a couple of years to get this system back
[18:49] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, What I would do immediately is to report this issue. This is a hardware related problem to the kernel.
[18:49] <LissajousPattern> finally
[18:50] <mitchel> Kernel related problem to the hardware better said.
[18:50] <LissajousPattern> mitchel, idk how
[18:50] <eg0r> @mitchel sent you the screenshot
[18:50] <eg0r> @mitchel its a pm
[18:50] <mitchel> eg0r its not saving for some reason
[18:50] <eg0r> ok
[18:51] <mitchel> eg0r could you try to upload it to imgur?
[18:51] <LissajousPattern> bbiab its time to celebrate with some omelets
[18:51] <mitchel> and send the link?
[18:51] <LissajousPattern> again thanks for all the time and effort
[18:52] <mitchel> LissajousPattern, Yeah. Again, report this issue to the ones who create the kernel, with system specifications provided.
[18:52] <mitchel> eg0r, Upload the picture to imgur.com
[18:52] <tomreyn> "ubuntu-bug linux"
[18:53] <mitchel> tomreyn, He has to give the issue to the ones who create the kernel, Linux, and not to Ubuntu.
[18:53] <Guest39387> can anyone tell me why when i have installed an additional desktop it is not listed in the log in screen?
[18:53] <mitchel> eg0r, did you upload the file already?
[18:55] <tomreyn> mitchel: if the non-working kernel is one form ubuntu, then ubuntu should receive the bug report (since kernels are modified). i would think the ubuntu bug trigers will either report an upstream bug or ask the bug reporter to do so if needed.
[18:55] <tomreyn> s/ form / from /
[18:55] <mitchel> tomreyn, he tried multiple distros that arent ubuntu based and they didnt work aswell
[18:56] <mitchel> tomreyn, usually kernels aren´t modified, as you can install the kernels from kernel.org
[18:56] <OerHeks> mitchel, ubuntu kernels are ..
[18:56] <ducasse> mitchel: ubuntu's kernels _are_ modified
[18:57] <wookie_> I'm trying to install a program and it requires libboost-regex1.58.0         How do I install it?  I keep getting  Unable to locate package libboost-regex1.58.0
[18:57] <ducasse> mitchel: besides, it's not at all clear this is a kernel issue
[18:57] <mitchel> ducasse, well, if it works with 3.0 and not with 4.0, and no other distro works, then I think its a kernel issue.
[18:57] <carbine> Hello everyone. I am unable to use optirun after suspend. Running an 820m using the nvidia-365 drivers on Xubuntu 16.04
[18:58] <tomreyn> LissajousPattern: had you tried a firmware (bios / uefi) update?
[18:58] <mitchel> tomreyn, thats something that could be an issue too.
[18:58] <mitchel> eg0r, hello, you still there?
[18:58] <Guest39387> hello
[18:59] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/0kl79
[18:59] <OerHeks> tomreyn, that machine has no UEFI afaik, dell 1012
[18:59] <Guest39387> scott +r
[18:59] <OerHeks> old intel 3150 ..
[18:59] <tomreyn> i see, hadnt checked
[18:59] <OerHeks> My best guess: faulty disk.
[18:59] <mitchel> eg0r, so you´re running Kubuntu, show me the partition part of the installer
[18:59] <OerHeks> ( without boot log there is no way saying )
[19:00] <Scott>  Help,Newby 2 months, ubuntu xfce desktop, trying to add lxde desktop, when i log out only xfce session and xubuntu session avilable after installing lxde, No unity available either
[19:00] <eg0r> @mitchel i am running kubuntu yes
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, show me a screenshot of the installer part where the partitions are shown.
[19:01] <eg0r> @mitchel what do you mean by the partition part of the installer
[19:01] <Citizen__> Hi, I am using Kodi as a media server and it works great for files. I would like to share also video addons so I can watch video addons from TV. Is this possible?
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, screenshot me the installer
[19:01] <mitchel> eg0r, to the point where it says: Where to install Ubuntu?
[19:02] <eg0r> thats what I sent you mitchel
[19:02] <uxfi> pranam all
[19:02] <mitchel> eg0r,  thats not the installer...
[19:02] <mitchel> eg0r, you only sent me a screenshot of konversation..
[19:04] <ArgentWarrior> Is there a way to force case-sensitivity on a specific folder (and subdirectories) or on an NTFS disk image? I play and mod my games on Linux a lot, and modding Oblivion is a total PITA because of case-sensitivity. Two files with the exact same content can exist, but one might be capitalized, and this makes my games crash or display black or purple textures
[19:05] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/lGUim
[19:05] <mitchel> hit manual
[19:05] <mitchel> and again show me a screenshot.
[19:07] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/QZXaD
[19:07] <mitchel> hit continue and show me a screenshot again,
[19:07] <eg0r> I've already clicked on that its taking time
[19:07] <mitchel> oh
[19:08] <mitchel> its probably mounting everything
[19:08] <mitchel> it will take a moment, had it too
[19:09] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/W77Mc
[19:10] <ArgentWarrior> *case-insensitivity I mean
[19:10] <mitchel> Ok, click the unusable (last and hit add), enter an amount like 40 GB, make file system ext4 and the mount point is /
[19:10] <eg0r> ok
[19:11] <Citizen__> Hi, I am using Kodi as a media server and it works great for files. I would like to share also video addons so I can watch video addons from TV. Is this possible?
[19:11] <Citizen__> Or video addons can only be used locally?
[19:12] <mitchel> eg0r, after you´re done, create a 4GB partition and make it swap.
[19:13] <mitchel> eg0r, just hit add again, size = 4096 MB, and the type is swap
[19:13] <eg0r> @mitchel I am not able to click on add
[19:13] <mitchel> highlight unusable
[19:13] <eg0r> done
[19:13] <mitchel> and now try to click Add.
[19:14] <rafal> Hello
[19:15] <eg0r> @mitchel its unclickable
[19:15] <mitchel> eg0r, wait a second.
[19:15] <eg0r> @mitchel http://imgur.com/a/7ZyZ7
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> eg0r  no need for the @ ... simply type eg and hit tab to autocomplete
[19:17] <mitchel> eg0r,  one moment.
[19:18] <mitchel> click on the unusable, format and enter size 40 GB
[19:18] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/5SvbV see in this image the clickable button is highlighted
[19:18] <rafal> Losers
[19:18] <kr3uzdidit> Hi faggots
[19:19] <mitchel> eg0r, now i get it
[19:19] <rafal> We own this channel now and there's fuck all anyone can do about it. Understand?
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> it's lonely teenager time again
[19:19] <mitchel> eg0r, you only are allowed to have a max of 4 partitions
[19:19] <rafal> MonkeyDust is a child molester. Confirmed.
[19:19] <kr3uzdidit> Is this seventh grade study hall momma joke hour?
[19:19] <eg0r> same is the case when i try with ununtu mitchel
[19:19] <eg0r> ok
[19:20] <mitchel> eg0r, wait a second.
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !troll
[19:20] <rafal> sudo rm -rf /
[19:20] <mitchel> dont enter that command
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ops
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> don't run that comand
[19:20] <rafal> RUN IT
[19:20] <rafal> It will speed up your machine
[19:20] <kr3uzdidit> lmao
[19:21] <rafal> hahahaha... I run it at least twice a week.
[19:21] <mitchel> dont run it
[19:21] <rafal> Mitchel is a newfag
[19:21] <eg0r> sda1, sda2, unusable1 and sda 3 are unusable to me but windows has taken it up
[19:21] <mitchel> eg0r, go back to windows and make those partitions extended.
[19:21] <eg0r> i wont do it rafal
[19:21] <rafal> eg0r - YOU MUST
[19:22] <eg0r> mitchel: i have tried but its not happening
[19:22] <mitchel> eg0r, go back to Windows, create two partitions and make it an extended partition
[19:23] <rizonz> 4~has there been changed something on 14.04 for rootlogin ? I cannot SSH to the box with PermitRootLogin yes in the ssh config
[19:23] <kloeri> rafal: drop the trolling please
[19:23] <eg0r> that 389 gb of unusable has an extended partition of 80 gb
[19:23] <scott_mills> hello]
[19:23] <eg0r> mitchel: i had allocated that space to install ubuntu
[19:23] <mitchel> I cant see any partitions in there.
[19:24] <eg0r> mitchel:  i dont either
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> scott_mills, hi
[19:25] <mitchel> eg0r, try to go to gparted in KDE
[19:25] <scott_mills> i am trying to fix a problem that xubuntu has
[19:25] <scott_mills> i installed lxde
[19:26] <mitchel> eg0r, if its not on the disc, click the K button, and search for Konsole, then type in: sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:26] <eg0r> done
[19:26] <scott_mills> however only xfce session, and xubuntu session are listed to use
[19:27] <mitchel> type in sudo gparted
[19:27] <mitchel> and screenshot me the window.
[19:27] <wookie_> Can someone walk me through installing a program called LinSSID for ubuntu 14.04?
[19:27] <wookie_> I'm lost
[19:29] <tehBTP> @wookie: http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-linssid-2-7-on-ubuntu-14-10-ubuntu-14-04-debian-8-debian-7-and-derivative-systems/
[19:30] <scott_mills> can anyone help?
[19:30] <wookie_> @tehBTP dude if this works, I will love you long time
[19:31] <ioria> wookie_, there is also a ppa if you really want https://launchpad.net/~wseverin/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:31] <eg0r> mitchel: gparted is starting up
[19:31] <mitchel> did you do it with sudo gparted?
[19:32] <wookie_> ioria, thanks.  I'm still an Ubuntu noob
[19:32] <ioria> wookie_,  it's the same tehBTP posted :þ
[19:32] <wookie_> Oh, cheers, hah.  Like I said I'm a total noob
[19:33] <ahi2> scott: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxde
[19:33] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/6aCEO
[19:34] <mitchel> okay,highlight unallocated and hit partition then New
[19:34] <wookie_> tehBTP, thanks it finally worked.  I was trying to install it some other way.  I appreciate it!
[19:35] <mitchel> make it the amount you´d like and make it as extended.
[19:37] <mitchel> eg0r, highlight unallocated > at the global menu, hit Partition then New
[19:37] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/mtoEC
[19:37] <mitchel> eg0r, did you make it extended?
[19:37] <mitchel> first also delete that 3 gb unallocated partition
[19:38] <eg0r> no mitchel, its already extended
[19:39] <eg0r> mitchel:  i am unable to delete that 3 GiB of un allocated space
[19:39] <tehBTP> wookie_, i'm still new to linux but from my years of working on windows I can tell you google is your best friend.
[19:40] <eg0r> even in windows, its the recovery disk that had ubuntu recovery in it when I had purchased the laptop
[19:40] <Miklo> has anyone managed to install pipelight in ubuntu 16.10 ?
[19:40] <eg0r> mitchel: it just doesn't goes away
[19:41] <skinux> I need a way to see all software and libraries that have been installed, that WERE NOT installed out-of-the-box?
[19:41] <mitchel> eg0r, is it possible to create a logic partition?
[19:42] <mitchel> hit free space, create as: Logical Partition
[19:42] <eg0r> mitchel: let me log into wndows and try to make an extended partition
[19:42] <mitchel> Sure thing.
[19:42] <eg0r> or logical partition whichever is possible
[19:44] <rizonz> no-one a clue ?
[19:44] <egonsen> hi! how are file attributes like setuid implemented in linux? i'm asking because i wonder how the linux kernel knows which file attributes are supported by each file system. is this implemented within the file system drivers and the kernel has a generic interface?
[19:44] <mitchel> rizonz, whats the issue?
[19:44] <ducasse> skinux: try 'apt-mark showmanual'
[19:44] <rizonz> mitchel: I can't loging using ssh with my root user (only user atm)
[19:44] <ducasse> egonsen: try asking in ##linux
[19:45] <rizonz> it always worked on new installs
[19:45] <mitchel> ssh root@ip maybe?
[19:45] <rizonz> using putty
[19:51] <eg0r> miichel: are you there?
[19:51] <tomreyn> rizonz: grep -i PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:51] <mitchel> yes i am
[19:51] <eg0r> mitchel: are you there?
[19:51] <eg0r> mitchel: http://imgur.com/a/tb0yL
[19:51] <tomreyn> rizonz: that's on the openssh server
[19:51] <rizonz> tomreyn: set to yes
[19:52] <eg0r> mitchel: this is my windows partition
[19:52] <tomreyn> rizonz: maybe Password logins are disabled in general. also check /var/log/auth.log for a better clue on how it's failing.
[19:52] <mitchel> click the 80 gb one and make it logical
[19:53] <eg0r> mitchel: how is it done?
[19:53] <rizonz> tomreyn: so kinda weird
[19:54] <tomreyn> rizonz: weird, how?
[19:54] <mitchel> eg0r, http://vrexpert.virtualrealities.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Google5.jpg
[19:54] <mitchel> wait
[19:54] <mitchel> eg0r,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmpEyaPQ2T0
[19:55] <rizonz> tomreyn: rootlogin is set on yes
[19:55] <mitchel> eg0r, instead of selecting the primary partition in the program you select the unallocated one
[19:56] <tomreyn> yes you said so before. but there are many factors which can prevent successful authentication, if that's what is actually happening (i am guessing since you only gave us "cannot login" without further details)
[19:56] <tomreyn> rizonz: to check whether password authentication is allowed: grep -i PasswordAuthentication /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:56] <tomreyn> and check the logs, too.
[19:56] <rizonz> 4~thave that also set on yes
[19:57] <rizonz> auth.log gives me bad credenmtials
[19:57] <tomreyn> so you'Re using bad credentials
[19:58] <rizonz> tomreyn: no that I know I can login on it's local cli
[20:01] <ducasse> rizonz: same keymap on server and client?
[20:02] <rizonz> ducasse: yes
[20:02] <ducasse> rizonz: have you got another user you can ssh in as?
[20:02] <rizonz> ducasse: nope
[20:03] <ducasse> rizonz: what is UsePAM set to in the sshd config?
[20:04] <rizonz> ducasse: not, only GSSAPI
[20:05] <ducasse> rizonz: set it to yes and restart sshd
[20:06] <rizonz> ducasse: same issue
[20:07] <mitchel> eg0r, brb
[20:07] <ducasse> rizonz: and it still says 'bad credentials' in auth.log?
[20:07] <eg0r> ok mitchel
[20:08] <mitchel> eg0r, are you following the steps on the video?
[20:08] <mitchel> also remember to create a 4 gb partition
[20:09] <eg0r> mitchel: they are trying to sell theit product i think
[20:09] <rizonz> ducasse: yep :(
[20:10] <mitchel> eg0r, use EaseUS partition master
[20:10] <eg0r> because their software wont run w/o aomei dynamic disk manager
[20:10] <mitchel> http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/convert-primary-to-logical.htm
[20:10] <mitchel> a tool i used
[20:10] <eg0r> ok
[20:12] <ducasse> rizonz: i don't know what to suggest, that message means it didn't accept the password, i can't tell you why
[20:13] <rizonz> ducasse: yeah me neither, never had this before
[20:15] <ducasse> rizonz: can you login locally, create a user with the same pw and then try to ssh in as that user?
[20:18] <rizonz> ducasse: locally is no issue at all
[20:18] <rizonz> but SSH is a wrong apssword
[20:19] <rizonz> ducasse: I have no clue, never had this before
[20:20] <mitchel> eg0r_,
[20:20] <eg0r_> hi mitchel
[20:20] <ducasse> rizonz: any special characters in the password?
[20:21] <rizonz> ducasse: tested with test123 and test123!
[20:21] <rizonz> both same issue
[20:21] <ducasse> rizonz: ok, then i officially have no clue :-/
[20:21] <rizonz> it might be that it needs 8 characters and test123 doesn't fdit ?
[20:21] <eg0r_> mitchel: this one too doesn't has that option
[20:21] <thiam> je ne comprends rien de rien
[20:21] <rizonz> ducasse: me neither
[20:21] <rizonz> and I'm no linux sissie :)
[20:22] <mitchel> so if you right click a partition and click Convert To Logical, doesnt it work>?
[20:24] <tomreyn> rizonz: what does the auth.log message say exactly (you can redact the ip address)?
[20:24] <eg0r_> there is no convert to logical mitchel
[20:25] <eg0r_> mitchel: see pm
[20:27] <rizonz> tomreyn: Failed password for root from m.y.i.p
[20:28] <jtornero> hello all. during distro-upgrade I ended with non.bootable system
[20:28] <ducasse> rizonz: i'm beginning to suspect a client problem
[20:30] <rizonz> ducasse: mhh why, other hosts don't have the issue
[20:30] <jtornero> with an alert: "UUID does not exists dropping to a shell" message
[20:30] <ioria> rizonz, grep PermitRootLogin  /etc/ssh/sshd_config    what it says ?
[20:31] <jtornero> so far I've found that there is a problem with grub
[20:31] <ducasse> jtornero: dist-upgrade or 'distro upgrade'?
[20:32] <jtornero> ducasse: well, don't really know because it was through gui
[20:32] <ducasse> jtornero: you were trying to upgrade to new version of ubuntu?
[20:32] <jtornero> ducasse: I think so
[20:34] <ducasse> jtornero: or were you just installing regular updates?
[20:34] <jtornero> I've tried to follow an answer from http://superuser.com/questions/181733/how-can-i-restore-grub-without-a-live-cd and also following the grub user manual
[20:35] <jtornero> ducasse: I was installing regular updates and distro upgrade was offered. Last time it was like a charm
[20:35] <ducasse> !fixgrub | jtornero try this
[20:35] <rizonz> ioria: yes
[20:35] <ducasse> jtornero: see the restoregrub link
[20:39] <ioria> rizonz, the ip/name is correct ?
[20:39] <jtornero> ducasse: Thanks. I'll try also that ways. Just thinking maybe it is matter to make it boot through grub console
[20:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> audio works fine over spice, but if i'm doing gpu passthrough and disabling spice, what other options do i have?e
[20:40] <rizonz> ioria: from ?
[20:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> whoops, wrong channel :P
[20:40] <ioria> rizonz, server
[20:42] <rizonz> ioria: yes as I'm tailing auth log there
[20:47] <john_KE> hey guys i am in a fix .. i messed with my gnome and now system setting icon has only 3 inside it .... how can i fix the error getting perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:47] <john_KE> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings error thanks in advance
[20:48] <john_KE> ```perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:48] <john_KE> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings```
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> is Chromium giving any site with certificates expiring in 2017 as invalid today?
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> it isn't letting me access my bank, twitch, or amazon
[20:58] <Bluefoxicy> I tried restarting it and clearing cache
[21:00] <tomreyn> rizonz: hmm well then it should indeed be wrong. you can run sshd and ssh client in debug modes if you want to know for sure
[21:00] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: is it possible the clock/date on your system is out
[21:01] <wookie_> Any wifi problem solvers here?  If there are a lot of wifi users in a small area, how can I make it so I am able to receive wifi signals better?
[21:01] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: also install updates, there was a recent issue with symantec certificates
[21:01] <rizonz> tomreyn: yap need to see thanks
[21:01] <Bluefoxicy> it says SUnday Dec 11 4:01pm and I fixed it with ntpdate
[21:01] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn:  oh, symatnec
[21:01] <wookie_> It seems like the more people are around me the less able I am to use the internet
[21:02] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn: I have no updates to install today
[21:02] <Bluefoxicy> I've tried apt-get update six times since about 6 hours ago
[21:03] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: the other thing to consider is....are you being hit with a man in the middle ?
[21:03] <ikonia> Bluefoxicy: less likley, but more serious
[21:04] <ducasse> ikonia: i get the same thing with amazon in chromium
[21:04] <ikonia> ducasse: thank you for confirming
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> ikonia: no, I checked with https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.amazon.com&hideResults=on&latest and the certificate fingerprints are the same
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> and it's only a subset of files
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> so unless comcast or the NSA are trying to hack my amazon and twitch account, that's a negative
[21:05] <Bluefoxicy> subset of *sites
[21:06] <Bluefoxicy> like it doesn't impact facebook, youtube, or google
[21:06] <skinux> What is command-not-found??
[21:07] <wedgie> skinux: fairly self descriptive... where are you seeing that?
[21:07] <skinux> apt-mark showmanual
[21:07] <ikonia> I suspect it's something more likley tomreyn said, where the CA in the browser is out of date
[21:08] <skinux> apt-mark showmanual isn't the best tool because it shows at least some stuff as manually installed it clearly was automatically installed, probably upon installation.
[21:08] <SageTGreat> sup
[21:09] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[21:09] <knittel> back again
[21:10] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: it *may* be this. but then updating the browser would have helped unless oyu have the update repositories disabled.
[21:11] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: which version of the chromium package (use this to tell: dpkg -l chromium\* ) do you have, and which ubuntu release version are you on?
[21:11] <wedgie> skinux: its a tool that gives suggestions when you try to run a command that isnt there. for example, run ''sl''  (a common typo of ''ls'')
[21:11] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn: apt-get --reinstall -> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe amd64 chromium-browser amd64 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 [55.8 MB]
[21:12] <morf> Bluefoxicy: and this version should work?
[21:13] <Bluefoxicy> morf:  that's the latest version released into the 16.10 repositories by Canonical
[21:14] <morf> which is also broken...
[21:14] <ducasse> tomreyn Bluefoxicy seems this bug has cropped up again, there are several comments on that bug report from within the last few hours
[21:14] <Bluefoxicy> looks that way
[21:16] <tomreyn> yes i assume the previous 'fix' was to extend the deadline, and it re-expired today.
[21:16] <morf> oh
[21:16] <morf> make sense
[21:16] <tomreyn> that's just a guess, however, haven't reviewed the patch
[21:16] <morf> but also kind of embarrasing
[21:17] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy: what'S the actual error message chromium displays?
[21:18] <ducasse> tomreyn: same as in the bug report
[21:18] <tomreyn> it should be some gibberish in all capital letters
[21:18] <tomreyn> ducasse: you got it, too?
[21:18] <Bluefoxicy> tomreyn:  Attackers might be trying to steal your information from amazon.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED
[21:18] <ducasse> tomreyn: yep, just found out
[21:19] <morf> like the chrome from google works fine
[21:19] <morf> but..
[21:19] <knittel> you guys talking browsers?
[21:19] <pmeeke> I having problems upgrading mariadb on 16.04, my errors look like this http://hastebin.com/ulayurorox.vbs. I seem to remember comming accross this problem before but forget how i resolved it, can anyone help?
[21:19] <knittel> *something wrong with firefox?
[21:20] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke:  Just use docker Kappa 8)
[21:20] <morf> pmeeke: try apt-get purge mysql* mariadb* and reinstall (DO NOT remove your database when asked)
[21:21] <pmeeke> morf: yeah thats the danger part I am worried about
[21:21] <tomreyn> pmeeke: run this to get the actual error: sudo dpkg --configure mariadb-server-10.0
[21:21] <morf> pmeeke: it's asking you a question while doing it (and if you are paranoid you can cp -R /var/lib/mysql/ somewhere temporary)
[21:21] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke:  what are you using mariadb for?  Server?
[21:21] <pmeeke> morf: I have diaspora and gnusocial both running on the server
[21:22] <pmeeke> Bluefoxicy: yes
[21:22] <snowden> i was followed by police just now
[21:22] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke: I say just run MariaDB in a docker container.
[21:23] <morf> that's most ridiculous thing i have heard today :)
[21:23] <tomreyn> snowden: only ubuntu support here. #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat and bad jokes.
[21:24] <snowden> it is 3 clock AM now,why they follow me? maybe i am under surveillance
[21:26] <pmeeke> morf: i believe it has something to do with the big blue/pink configure screen not appearing, I am trying a reconfigure now but no joy. I would be cautious to do a purge in case this screen still will not appear on the install
[21:26] <morf> pmeeke: there is some cyclic error i have it myself and wasn't able to dpkg-reconfigure it manually ... so as i said before backup / purge / install again
[21:27] <YABOO> #mode
[21:27] <pmeeke> fingers crossed :)
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> In my 6 years of using Ubuntu across millions of machines, I've never come across a problem getting it to install... Until today :( . My ThinkPad P50 simply refuses to boot into my USB for Ubuntu Gnome
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> whenever it does boot, I usually get bombarded with squashfs read error
[21:29] <BeautifulBash> s
[21:30] <Bluefoxicy> pmeeke: you can try this https://gist.github.com/bluefoxicy/d9d4b010613ff51a5ce9f43759573719
[21:30] <Bluefoxicy> you may need to adjust for whatever it is you need to change for my.cnf :)
[21:33] <knittel> maybe youre key is not good (anymore)?
[21:33] <knittel> i have an thinkpad R60
[21:38] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: this bug is due to a symantec screwup, and was triggered in 14.04/16.04 a short while ago. they made a temporary fix, but since the bug hadn't been triggered in 16.10 (yet) that 'fix' wasn't released for 16.10 back then.
[21:39] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[21:39] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: i'm guessing we will get an update by end of day tomorrow
[21:39] <Bluefoxicy> nod.
[21:40] <ducasse> Bluefoxicy: and then they have 10 weeks to actually _fix_ it :)
[21:40] <Bluefoxicy> they could just drop chromium-54 into -backports but -backports seems to not exist for non-lts
[21:43] <ducasse> comments say 54 from ~canonical-chromium-builds ppa works
[21:43] <Dr-007> good day
[21:44] <Dr-007> friso@awesome:/tmp$ rm *
[21:44] <Dr-007> -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[21:44] <Dr-007> my disk is full
[21:44] <Dr-007> with logfiles in /tmp from a website
[21:44] <Ben64> choose a shorter argument list
[21:44] <Dr-007> i cant remove them like this
[21:44] <ikonia> Dr-007: if you need to do everything do a for list
[21:44] <akik> Dr-007: you can use find and xargs rm to do it
[21:45] <Dr-007> i know when you restart it will get cleared. but perhabs because the error it wont work and my server wont start up at all (because disk is full)
[21:45] <Dr-007> find /tmp -ctime +10 -exec rm -rf {} +
[21:46] <ikonia> Dr-007: for i in `ls`; do; rm -rf $i; done
[21:46] <Dr-007> ah those arent xargs, but i think its working
[21:51] <_Sym_> I was mentioning a few days ago that nautilus was occasionally freezing up when deleting files if I used the actual "delete" key on the keyboard.
[21:52] <_Sym_> Well, I think I solved it by setting the correct keyboard map
[21:52] <MWM> ive got a directory owned by proxy:proxy and keep getting permission denied unless I set the permissions far too loose (776) if I add my default user to the proxy group that will clear up correct?
[21:53] <tomreyn> Bluefoxicy, ducasse: one of you two should probably file a new bug report on chromium then since those comments on the existing, solved, bug report will be ignored.
[21:53] <_Sym_> MWM, yes if your user is in the proxy group then you can set it to 770
[21:54] <MWM> thank you Sym.
[21:54] <ducasse> tomreyn: i can do that, i'll just point to the last few comments on the old report
[21:55] <PlurX> x
[21:55] <tomreyn> also state your verison number, the output / message you get to see, ubuntu and application version.
[21:56] <tomreyn> ducasse: ^
[21:56] <ducasse> tomreyn: yup, i know :)
[21:56] <tomreyn> thought so, but wasnt sure
[22:00] <tomreyn> hmm, i can't seem to reproduce this with either https://www.amazon.com or https://chase.com on chromium (latest available version) on 16.04, after clearing all caches and restarting the application
[22:01] <tomreyn> maybe the is another time based mechanism involved which triggers it.
[22:03] <BeautifulBash> OK, how do I get access to a grub menu on a DD'd ubuntu image?
[22:03] <BeautifulBash> it boots straight into the Ubuntu image
[22:04] <_Sym_> BeautifulBash, holding F10 on bootup does it for my laptop
[22:04] <_Sym_> BeautifulBash, but it depends on your device
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> oh hang on got it, it kept booting straight into the installer drive without giving me the menus for different options
[22:05] <reisio> used to be SHIFT
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> f6 it was
[22:05] <BeautifulBash> well, the squashfs read error wasnt because of my USB stick, just tried it on another computer and it worked fine
[22:07] <skinux> I need instructions to make sure Ubuntu is actually using my SWAP partition? Also is it more swap or less swap usage that improves performance?
[22:08] <reisio> swapon -s
[22:08] <reisio> with modern systems, swap doesn't do very much most of the time
[22:08] <ducasse> tomreyn: see what i wrote to Bluefoxicy above, this bug was triggered (and sort-of-fixed) in 16.04 earlier, in yakkety it wasn't triggered until today
[22:08] <reisio> with modern systems, it's mostly useful for hibernating, but it is also by default assumed by the kernel (Linux) to exist
[22:08] <_Sym_> skinux, swap memory is usually very slow and will not increase performance.  Although, it might prevent your system from crashing if you run out of RAM to use.
[22:09] <BeautifulBash> gahhhh, what the hell!!
[22:09] <_Sym_> skinux, I think the default is 2x the current ram is the recommended swap size.
[22:09] <Fr_Dae> if you have a good SSD, yes _Sym_
[22:09] <BeautifulBash> (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[22:09] <reisio> so swap equivalent to ram is an easy choice if you're going to hibernate, and just a gig or two if not
[22:09] <skinux> Well, I've noticed my system is a bit laggy recently. I have 4G RAM and 4G SWAP if it is using it. And I just re-gained 21G free disk space when I was down to like 6G.
[22:09] <reisio> no, 2x ram is an incredibly outdated rule
[22:09] <Fr_Dae> if less 8Go of ram, 2x RAM
[22:09] <reisio> no
[22:10] <ExplodingKittens> skinux: You can also check to see what swap partitions are being used by running `swapon` in a terminal.
[22:10] <winsen> does anyone know how can If Evince is correctly installed or not?
[22:10] <reisio> skinux: likely unrelated to swap
[22:10] <Fr_Dae> = or more 8Go, 8Gio of ram, more arn't necessary
[22:10] <reisio> winsen: correctly?
[22:10] <winsen> *can I see
[22:10] <skinux> Okay, it's using 3G out of 4.7G of SWAP, priority -1
[22:10] <reisio> if you're hibernating, you want swap equivalent to ram, if you aren't, and your system isn't from the 90s, it almost doesn't matter how much swap you have, as long as you have some
[22:10] <Fr_Dae> reisio sudo apt install htop && htop (or sudo htop)
[22:10] <Led_Zeppelin> hello
[22:10] <reisio> Fr_Dae: wrong guy
[22:10] <reisio> Led_Zeppelin: 'lo
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> you can see CPU, RAM, swap and battery use
[22:11] <Led_Zeppelin> I need some help playing audio on my Schitt modi DAC
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> reisio +1
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> skinux
[22:11] <Fr_Dae> try see with htop
[22:11] <reisio> sorry I forgot who'd asked myself :p
[22:12] <Led_Zeppelin> can anyone help?
[22:12] <Led_Zeppelin> dmesg detects the sound card fine.
[22:12] <skinux> Hmm. Does it make much difference that I don't reboot my machine all the time?
[22:13] <reisio> skinux: to what?
[22:13] <reisio> swap, not really
[22:14] <reisio> do what Fr_Dae said
[22:14] <skinux> No, to performance
[22:14] <reisio> look at your persistent processes
[22:14] <reisio> some of them probably suck
[22:14] <reisio> and if you don't have an SSD, get one
[22:14] <Fr_Dae> reisio +1
[22:14] <skinux> Umm..I don't know if my disk is solid state or not. I know it's a Dell Inspiron laptop about two years old.
[22:14] <Fr_Dae> for 50euro you can have in paris a 128Gio SSD on kingston
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> Im really desperate if anyone can help me out
[22:14] <BUSY> hey friends.  finally taking the leap to move my computer illiterate dad to ubuntu because I think it will result in fewer problems.  are there any neophyte packages or themes that make computing unbelievably easy?
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> I so need this working
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> I dont understand
[22:14] <BeautifulBash> Debian has always installed just fine
[22:14] <reisio> yup, the capacity of SSD required for an OS install is very low
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> skinux do you take more like 5second for boot ?
[22:15] <reisio> and the performance gains are IMMENSE
[22:15] <cfoch> hi. Why is my desktop really aweful after installing?
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> if yes you arn't on SSD
[22:15] <cfoch> http://i.imgur.com/WxL875S.png
[22:15] <reisio> boot time is irrelevant if you're not rebooting a lot (which you shouldn't be)
[22:15] <Fr_Dae> cfoch try Lubuntu =)
[22:16] <cfoch> Fr_Dae: I want to solve the problem
[22:16] <Fr_Dae> it's a good way to =)
[22:16] <skinux> I'm not sure how long it takes to boot, maybe 3 seconds...maybe a minute
[22:16] <skinux> I'll restart now to see if it helps.
[22:16] <cfoch> Fr_Daw: I want to keep Unity
[22:17] <cfoch> I mean, I want to use Unity (not just keep it installed)
[22:17] <Fr_Dae> i can't you help so you like a UI for child
[22:17] <tehBTP> Fr_Dae, great help.
[22:17] <ExplodingKittens> Fr_Dae: I thought that was Sugar.
[22:17] <Fr_Dae> true poeple use gnome or lxde (or xfce ) =)
[22:18] <Fr_Dae> tehBTP to none bro
[22:18] <cfoch> or  GNOME
[22:18] <cfoch> that´s okay, too :)
[22:18] <cfoch> Fr_Dae: ^
[22:18] <cfoch> :)
[22:19] <Fr_Dae> if you have less 4Gio of ram or you want a windows-like interface take Lxde
[22:19] <Fr_Dae> if you have 4 or More on ram gnome run fine
[22:20] <wookie_> Does anyone here use a wireless usb adapter to connect to wifi?
[22:20] <kulelu88> how do I view the last edited files on my file-system?
[22:20] <cfoch> wait
[22:21] <cfoch> I have removed the menus on the Unity panel
[22:21] <cfoch> what is the package to put menus the Unity panel of the top?
[22:21] <velivolovolante> Hello everybody!
[22:21] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i have used one time, a tplink, plug and play full working
[22:21] <N00Bish> hey yall do you know where i can download and install reaver from?
[22:21] <kulelu88> N00Bish: apt-get install reaver ?
[22:22] <Fr_Dae> kulelu88 sudo apt install, just
[22:22] <reisio> cfoch: indicator-appmenu ?
[22:22] <Fr_Dae> you isn't necessary use -get on 2016 =)
[22:22] <kulelu88> Fr_Dae: I was answering N00Bish
[22:22] <wookie_> Fr_Dae I think I need a more expensive one.  I have a tp-link, but it can't get a good signal.  Its one of the ~10 dollar ones.
[22:23] <N00Bish> or shuld i use wget reaver first?
[22:23] <kulelu88> N00Bish: if you download it with wget, it won't be included in system updates
[22:23] <kulelu88> so unless you are using an outdated LTS, either use apt or find a PPA
[22:23] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ use a USB ext cable and move you wifi-usb to find where di you have a good signal
[22:24] <N00Bish> dang ok because i tried to get it from a site that said it had it but it nolonger has it
[22:24] <kulelu88> N00Bish: be careful of doing stuff like that.
[22:24] <wookie_> Fr_Dae Why would I need an ext cable?
[22:25] <N00Bish> yeah i know all about that lol i learned my lesson
[22:25] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Reaver is in the Ubuntu repositories, so you can just download and install it directly with apt-get (or apt, if you want, I won't judge).
[22:25] <Fr_Dae> apt have color and progess bar
[22:25] <Fr_Dae> it's juste a good update ton apt-get =)
[22:26] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ for gain signal =)
[22:26] <N00Bish> i have ubuntu 14.1 i believe you sure its in the reposit?
[22:26] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ the best are the usb with antena + 5m of USB ext
[22:27] <N00Bish> because i tried to use wget http://reaver-wps.googlecode.com/files/reaver-1.4.tar.gz
[22:27] <N00Bish> and it didnt work at all
[22:27] <skinux> How come Ubuntu asks me if I want to Report a system problem, but doesn't tell me what the problem WAS/IS?
[22:27] <reisio> skinux: 'cause it's dumb?
[22:28] <ducasse> N00Bish: 14.04 or 14.10?
[22:28] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Oof, 14.10? I'm not certain 14.10 still has repositories up anymore.
[22:29] <N00Bish> oh ok it's 16.04 lts
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> N00Bish nobody here can you help to use a illegal program for cracking WPA/WPA2 wifi
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> =)
[22:30] <skinux> Well, how do I find out what happened?
[22:30] <wookie_> Fr_Dae like https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-w-external-antenna-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usbl?
[22:30] <N00Bish> is reaver illegal?
[22:30] <N00Bish> and i just want to test my network
[22:30] <skinux> I get the dialog to report a problem every time I boot up, for the last 3 times I rebooted.
[22:30] <Fr_Dae> oh ok
[22:31] <kulelu88> how do I view the last edited files on my file-system?
[22:31] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Oh, yeah, it's definitely in the 16.04 repositories. The package is just called reaver.
[22:31] <N00Bish> huh ok so wget reaver?
[22:31] <ducasse> N00Bish: just turn off wps, problem solved.
[22:32] <N00Bish> im trying to see if thats easy to hack my network
[22:32] <kulelu88> N00Bish: you must keep in mind that your chats are being logged here.
[22:32] <N00Bish> i know and im doing anything illegal at all
[22:32] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: You'll want to do `sudo apt-get install reaver` (sans tildes), or `sudo apt install reaver` (again, sans tildes). Doesn't matter which command you use, they'll functionally do the same thing.
[22:33] <kulelu88> and we can see your IP address
[22:33] <tomreyn> ducasse: oh, indeed i didnt realize this is xenial vs yakkety
[22:33] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i use this one http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/251926168213-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
[22:33] <N00Bish> ah ok ty exploding kittens
[22:33] <th0r> kulelu88: you seem awful paranoid about a non-issue
[22:34] <kulelu88> th0r: paranoid? depending on where he lives, it's in his best interest
[22:34] <ExplodingKittens> But yes, be warned that breaking into a Wifi network that you don't own is illegal. It really shouldn't be an issue if it's your own network, though.
[22:35] <N00Bish> true why do you think i dont care that its all logged?
[22:35] <N00Bish> im not doing anything illegal
[22:35] <ducasse> N00Bish: wps really should be disabled, though, it's not very secure
[22:35] <th0r> kulelu88: and what is this official position you hold...grand inquisitor?
[22:36] <kulelu88> th0r: if you can't add value, you should avoid attacking people who are helping
[22:36] <N00Bish> ok yall have a nice day and ty explodingkittens
[22:37] <th0r> not attacking, defending
[22:37] <g0tze> hi :D
[22:39] <wookie_> Fr_Dae I might check that one out first to see if it solves my problem.  I appreciate it.  When I am around a lot of my fellow students in class I lose internet, and when they leave I have internet again.  Hence I'm looking for a more powerful wifi adapter
[22:39] <Alex___User> Hi!
[22:40] <docmur> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and when  I run gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false it's not turning off automount
[22:40] <Alex___User> Someone here who can help me? After Ubuntu/Backbox installing i cant start windows but it is still installed. Bootloarder dont start
[22:41] <bekks> Alex___User: are you using Ubuntu or Backbox?
[22:42] <Alex___User> Backbox but it is mostly like Ubuntu most different is the pre-installed programs
[22:42] <ducasse> !backbox | Alex___User
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ tplink are a good and powerfull wifi antena, + ubuntu you are priority =) but kill all people use wifi is good too
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> or use 3G/4G
[22:43] <Alex___User> ok thx
[22:43] <Fr_Dae> Alex___User =>PM
[22:45] <Lostfile> iom trying to find a better bbs client for ubuntu can some on helps
[22:46] <skinux> N00bish: You're hacking your own WiFi to see how easy it is to do? I would imagine it'd be much wiser to just do research on the subject instead of trying it on your own setup.
[22:46] <skinux> Whoops..he already left
[22:48] <ducasse> skinux: i'm a little sceptical of it actually being his own network he wanted this for...
[22:48] <MelodyP> does anyone here have experience with linux on an intel chromebook?
[22:48] <Lostfile> there a few tools in kail linux for wifi hacking i think
[22:49] <MelodyP> Lostfile: all such tools can be installed under Ubuntu. if you do use Kali, remember to only use it as a Live OS
[22:49] <ExplodingKittens> MelodyP: I've done it through Crouton.
[22:50] <Lostfile> im wondering is there away to install metasplot on ubuntu ive done it on slackware
[22:51] <Lostfile> speaking of wich
[22:51] <ducasse> MelodyP: linux in general or ubuntu in particular?
[22:52] <MelodyP> ducasse: linux in general, but not over crouton
[22:52] <skinux> ducasse: Yeah, probably not.
[22:52] <kulelu88> ducasse: you should trust th0r that everyone on the internet has well-meaning intentions
[22:55] <ducasse> MelodyP: then try ##linux
[22:55] <_Sym_> All we have to do to prevent "troll-trace" from succeeding is just rely on the goodness of the people and not use it to look each other up with.
[22:56] <wookie_> Fr_Dae Could I have outdated wireless drivers which could be giving me connection problems?  For example I could have sworn I had wireless drivers which allowed me to use wireshark, but for some reason I can't use it anymore
[22:58] <i-make-robots> hi all.  please help me find the right channel to ask this: I have an ubuntu LTS 16 server storing a quickbooks database.  my accountant is on a windows 10 laptop outside the office.  What is a good way to give her access to the database?  send her a public key to ssh?  i don't know what will work with QB.
[22:58] <ikonia> issyl0: vpn to the host
[22:58] <ikonia> issyl0: then let the client connect to the database as if it was on the same network
[22:59] <guerero> http://cameroon-concord.com/administrator/index.php
[22:59] <ikonia> guerero: ?
[22:59] <Lewoco> how do I open console on ubuntu?
[23:00] <_Sym_> wookie_, you might be able to get a stronger wifi signal by enabling CONFIG_CFG80211 and setting your regulatory database to better values.
[23:00] <Lewoco> i.e. what is equivalent of ctrl-alt-F1 on other distros
[23:00] <ikonia> Lewoco: is there not an icon on the dock ?
[23:00] <i-make-robots> Lewoco - are you in the gui?
[23:00] <Lewoco> ikonia: I'm not talking about terminal window. I'm talking about console
[23:00] <Lewoco> i-make-robots: yeah
[23:00] <bekks> Lewoco: Thats how it works in Ubuntu, too.
[23:00] <wookie_> _Sym can you recommend a guide to help me figure out how to do that?
[23:00] <ducasse> Lewoco: ctrl+alt+f1..f6
[23:00] <ikonia> Lewoco: you mean you want to go to a VT outside of X11 while X is running
[23:01] <Lewoco> bekks: All I get is empty screen, no login prompt
[23:01] <ikonia> Lewoco: do you have X11 running ?
[23:01] <_Sym_> wookie_, it would be something like this: http://networkgeekstuff.com/networking/how-to-create-custom-linux-wi-fi-regulatory-database-to-unlock-30db1000mw/
[23:01] <Lewoco> ikonia: yeah
[23:01] <ikonia> Lewoco: so why are you not just using a terminal
[23:05] <Fr_Dae> wookie_ i don't know , on my tplink i don't need pilote, juste plug and play tech, but maybee with "additional drives search"
[23:06] <N00Bish> is explodingkittens on still?
[23:06] <ExplodingKittens> N00Bish: Yep, I'm still around. What's up?
[23:08] <N00Bish> explodingkittens pm
[23:09] <kulelu88> things just got a little bit more fishy ...
[23:09] <MelodyP> ducasse: i cant join ##linux for some reason
[23:09] <kulelu88> what is the error? MelodyP
[23:09] <MelodyP> kulelu88: it says im not registered
[23:09] <MelodyP> but i know i am
[23:09] <ikonia> MelodyP: you're not
[23:10] <nicomachus> !register | MelodyP
[23:10] <ikonia> MelodyP: you're not identified to services
[23:10] <kulelu88> MelodyP: your account says "unknown"
[23:13] <cfoch> hi
[23:13] <cfoch> IDK what I did but Ubuntu won't start the Graphical User Interface
[23:14] <cfoch> I am on  Ubuntu right now, just from the terminal
[23:14] <cfoch> can sb give me a hand?
[23:14] <cfoch> (or a foot :) )
[23:16] <cfoch> :) :)
[23:20] <cfoch> someone here?
[23:20] <wookie_> _Sym if I install some different drivers for my wireless card, is there a way I can revert back if things dont work out
[23:22] <kulelu88> cfoch: try restarting your machine
[23:26] <Shawn|4650M> howdy
[23:26] <_Sym_> wookie_, the way I would recommend testing drivers is building different kernels with different labels
[23:26] <ontheline> howdy
[23:26] <Shawn|4650M> can someone help me with an error I am gettng, when trying to install Intel's graphics update tool?
[23:27] <ikonia> wookie_: what are actually trying to achieve ?
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: I'd ask firstly why you are using that tool
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the intel drivers are open source and shipped in the kernel and xorg packages
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: why are you tyring to do something outside of that ?
[23:27] <Shawn|4650M> they are?
[23:27] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: yes
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> well I installed lubuntu, need the optimized intel drivers
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: what opimized ones ?
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the ones that are in the ubuntu packages are the official intel ones - they are open source so included
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> a driver that is not buggy, or full of artifacts?
[23:28] <cfoch> How do I reinstall unity with all its dependencies?
[23:28] <cfoch> I cannot see the dashbar
[23:28] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: the ones in ubuntu are the ones supplied by intel
[23:28] <ikonia> cfoch: why do you want to re-install ?
[23:28] <Shawn|4650M> does it come with lubuntu too?
[23:29] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: yes, ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu are the same xorg and kernel
[23:29] <Shawn|4650M> ah
[23:29] <cfoch> ikonia: I did apt-get autoremove or apt-get remove -f
[23:29] <Shawn|4650M> well my intel graphics media accelerator x3100 is not putting out its full potential
[23:29] <ikonia> cfoch: so open the package manager and select the ubuntu-desktop package and re-install
[23:29] <cfoch> or smth like that and me GUI got bad
[23:30] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: so thats the problem you need to work through or understand at least rather than changing random things
[23:30] <Shawn|4650M> when I try to install the intel-graphics-update-tool I get Error: Dependancy is not satisfiable: libpackagekit-glib2-18 (>= 0.9.4)
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> I dont get the install button rather
[23:31] <cfoch> what is the name of the GUI that shows the login screen?
[23:31] <ikonia> right so stop trying to use that tool
[23:31] <ikonia> stop trying to update the drivers
[23:31]  * Shawn|4650M facepalms
[23:31] <cfoch> lightdm/gdm?... I am not sure
[23:31] <EriC^^> cfoch: lightdm?
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> I was just trying to get itch.io games to run on lubuntu
[23:31] <ikonia> lightdm normally
[23:31] <Shawn|4650M> the linux ones
[23:31] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: right, so again, that doesn't change what I've said
[23:31] <EriC^^> cfoch: which ubuntu flavor are you using?
[23:32] <Shawn|4650M> and you have left me in the dark
[23:32] <cfoch> 16.10
[23:32] <cfoch> Eric^^: ^
[23:32] <cfoch> with Unity
[23:32] <EriC^^> cfoch: ubuntu lubuntu xubuntu ?
[23:32] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M:I've not done anything of the sort
[23:32] <cfoch> Ubuntu
[23:32] <EriC^^> cfoch: should be lightdm then
[23:32] <Shawn|4650M> ikonia, you told me to stop trying to use intel's updated tool
[23:33] <cfoch> by installing lightdm will it load as soon my OS start?
[23:33] <Shawn|4650M> that leaves me in the dark
[23:33] <EriC^^> cfoch: you want it to autologin?
[23:33] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: no it doesn't, you need to work through the problem it could be as simple as a config parameter or your expectation that needs to be fixed
[23:33] <ikonia> just ask the channel if you need help - but ask them the real problem, not how to do the soution you think you need
[23:33] <cfoch> Eric^^: I just want to recover my Unity desktop :)
[23:33] <Shawn|4650M> idk the first thing about diagnosing lubuntu
[23:34] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: there is also the #lubuntu channel for lubuntu specific discussion too
[23:34] <cfoch> I will restart
[23:34] <EriC^^> cfoch: what's going on currently?
[23:34] <cfoch> Eric^^: I cannot see the dashbar
[23:34] <Shawn|4650M> okay, sorry for asking here
[23:34] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: no need for sorry, here is fine too
[23:34] <EriC^^> cfoch: the top one or left?
[23:34] <cfoch> not only that
[23:36] <cfoch> Eric^^: blob:http://imgur.com/b3a8f2d4-e136-4235-b06f-b9e4f4ddd69d
[23:36] <cfoch> I have lose the borders also
[23:36] <cfoch> the window borders
[23:37] <EriC^^> cfoch: does the guest account work?
[23:37] <cfoch> IDK because it autologged my default user
[23:37] <cfoch> Eric^^:^
[23:38] <EriC^^> cfoch: try to log out and use the guest session
[23:38] <EriC^^> cfoch: actually, just rename your config folder and it should work
[23:38] <cfoch> Eric^^: how? :) I don´t have the top menu panel either! :)
[23:38] <spotter> I assume others are having chromium-browser ssl issues?
[23:38] <spotter> i.e. can't go to amazon amongst other sites?
[23:39] <EriC^^> mv ~ /.config ~/.config.old
[23:39] <EriC^^> cfoch: then type sudo service lightdm restart
[23:39] <EriC^^> cfoch: wait
[23:39] <EriC^^> typo
[23:39] <EriC^^> mv ~/.config ~/.config.old
[23:39] <wafflejock> spotter, works fine here what are you getting?
[23:40] <spotter> ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED
[23:40] <spotter> which seems to a be a known chrome/chromium change
[23:40] <wafflejock> spotter, works here in chromium-browser my about shows Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit)
[23:41] <wookie_> ikonia I'm trying to figure out why my wifi connection drops when I'm at school and around 20-30 other people using the same wifi.  When I'm alone or around other people I can use the wifi, but if there are a lot of people around me I cannot use it.
[23:41] <spotter> i'm 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 on 16.10
[23:41] <spotter> it just started today on me
[23:41] <wookie_> I thought updating the wifi drivers might help
[23:41] <ikonia> wookie_: is it possible its just the wifi access point / network is overloaded if it's only kicking you off when other people are around
[23:41] <ikonia> wookie_: you should not look at updating anything unless you know what the problem is
[23:41] <wookie_> ikonia True.
[23:42] <wafflejock> spotter, hmm weird approximately the same build it looks like but the 16.10 package might be a little different looks like a patch number at the end there
[23:42] <wookie_> ikonia Why would I be the only one not getting wifi?
[23:42] <spotter> changelog is Thu, 29 Sep 2016
[23:42] <ikonia> wookie_: are you the only one ? what happens if you reconnect ?
[23:43] <Sean_McG> 'lo
[23:43] <spotter> google-chrome works, but not a great solution for me
[23:43] <ikonia> 'hello'
[23:43] <wafflejock> spotter, yeah just read up a bit on it so guess the "solution" is wait for admins to update the certificate?
[23:44] <wookie_> ikonia If I disconnect the wifi and reconnect sometimes I can reconnect for a minute or two, but many times nothing changes.  And after asking the class it seems like I'm the only one having the problem
[23:44] <spotter> wafflejock, doesnt really help me for amazon.  google broke the internet
[23:44] <spotter> :)
[23:44] <ikonia> wookie_: if it sometimes re-connects sometimes doesn't, I suspect it's overloaded (obviously nothing factual to back that up)
[23:44] <wafflejock> spotter, yeah I hear you... not sure what to do there
[23:44] <Sean_McG> hmm? how did Google break the Internet?
[23:44] <ikonia> wookie_: look at the logs when it drops and trys to reconnect
[23:45] <wookie_> ikonia Can you recommend a Ubuntu program that I can use to keep logs?
[23:45] <spotter> Sean_McG, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12953172
[23:45] <Shawn|4650M> ikonia, could lubuntu not be optimal out of the box?
[23:45] <ikonia> wookie_: the logs are kept on the machine by default
[23:45] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: what do you mean by "optimial" you keep saying that, but what do you actually mean
[23:46] <Sean_McG> spotter: oh yeah, there's a lot of certificate squashing going on -- see also WoSign (and by extension StartCom), they are being removed due to transparency issues as well. But in WoSign's case it seems far more egregious.
[23:46] <ontheline> bazhang, !
[23:46] <Shawn|4650M> by optimal, I mean optimized for games
[23:47] <wookie_> ikonia What terminal commands can I use to access the logs?
[23:47] <spotter> yes, but breaking amazon, netflix... et al is a big issue
[23:47] <spotter> symantec/verisign is used by the major hitters
[23:47] <ikonia> wookie_: it's just a text file in /var/log
[23:48] <Shawn|4650M> light games
[23:48] <Sean_McG> just because you are "major hitter" it doesn't excuse you from a badly behaved certificate authority
[23:48] <ikonia> Shawn|4650M: normally the autodetection works for most people, some people have hardware/setups where the config needs to be tweaked
[23:48] <Shawn|4650M> oh
[23:51] <spotter> trying an update from the ppa
[23:51] <spotter> Sean_McG, to some extent yes, but it also behoves google to reach out to the major sites to fix things before they prevent end users from having a working system
[23:52] <spotter> installed update from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage unsure if that fixed the underlying issue or just that I now have a build that less than 10 weeks old so time bomb hasn't flipped
[23:55] <cfoch> Eric^^: I can only start the desktop environment if I do startx
[23:55] <cfoch> from console
[23:56] <EriC^^> cfoch: try adding a different user
[23:56] <cfoch> otherwise i see a black screen (not the terminal, just a black screen)
[23:56] <EriC^^> cfoch: try disabling autologin
[23:56] <cfoch> how?
[23:56] <cfoch> Eric^^: ^
[23:57] <EriC^^> cfoch: type sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and remove your username next to autologin-user
[23:57] <EriC^^> then save and exit with ctrl+x