[05:01] <Kilos> o/
[08:58] <gaurav> Kilos: o/
[10:20] <Kilos> hi gaurav
[13:55] <RajRajRaj> gaurav: Kilos hi
[13:56] <Kilos> hi RajRajRaj
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: i want to make living from Ubuntu
[13:56] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: gaurav Kilos hai hai
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Is it possible
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: hi there
[13:56] <Kilos> what
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Earn money from ubuntu
[13:56] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: yes, very much possible
[13:57] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: how
[13:57] <Kilos> you can by doing installations and maintenance on ubuntu pcs
[13:57] <Kilos> sell your knowledge not ubuntu
[13:57]  * pavlushka leaves the floor to Kilos now
[13:57] <Kilos> sell your time
[13:57] <Kilos> no pavlushka jump in
[13:57] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and you can do it using Ubuntu
[13:58] <RajRajRaj> Installation :(
[13:58] <Kilos> dont forget im out in the bush
[13:59] <RajRajRaj> I want to do some dev work
[14:00] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: in that case you have to get involved with Ubuntu first
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Get involved as in?
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Join ubuntu community?
[14:00] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and check for how to be a developer Ubuntu member
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:01] <RajRajRaj> Do they earn money from it. I thought they do it for hobby
[14:01] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and try to get recruited by canonical, that's a job.
[14:02] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:03] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: go to canonical.com and look for careers
[14:05] <RajRajRaj> Checking thanks pavlushka
[14:05] <RajRajRaj> :)
[14:14] <Kilos> sorry power went off
[14:15] <Kilos> RajRajRaj you can also do online repairs of peoples pcs using remote desktop or teamviewer
[14:15] <Kilos> how you charge is your business
[14:16] <RajRajRaj> Kilos:my business?
[14:17] <Kilos> you cant sell ubuntu as such but can sell pcs with ubuntu on
[14:17] <Kilos> yes you decide how you want to charge them
[14:17] <Kilos> per hour or per job etc
[14:21] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:22] <RajRajRaj> I want to make Ubuntu as good as windows
[14:22] <RajRajRaj> Or even better
[14:22] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: in some cases, Ubuntu is better than Windows but not all :)
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> I know
[14:23] <pavlushka> not in all cases
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> I thought i should join Apple
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> But again some says shit culture
[14:23] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: aha, and what's your thought now?
[14:23] <Kilos> i agree pavlushka its far better than windows
[14:31] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: to my knowledge, Windows has the +1 on proprietary market and and has the most device vendor's support, that the dev of the vendors or devs hired by vendors develops windows based backends and frontends
[14:32] <pavlushka> but that is rarely true for Linux
[14:32] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: the problem is
[14:32] <pavlushka> may be because of the larger market share
[14:33] <pavlushka> but the scenario is changing
[14:33] <RajRajRaj> No one likes ubuntu when it comes to commercial business in India tbh. Sorry. Why. First you think
[14:36] <pavlushka> Ubuntu's greatly designed for end-users/home users and it has its other variants for even low end pcs and has some other variants for business oriented uses as well.
[14:36] <pavlushka> *Ubuntu's/ Ubuntu is
[14:39] <pavlushka> may be Ubuntu has not gained that much impression on commercial use in India as a fact
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: ubuntu is tough
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: but it depends on what openstack or other commercial Ubuntu/Canonical venture really offers
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> India has poor people everywhere
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: really?
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and?
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> And rich people prefer paid products
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> So
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> Now think
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> When u install ubuntu
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> It bugs you with install updates n upgrades
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> People see it n freak out
[14:42] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that's not necessary
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> Says who
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> Ubuntu keeps bugging
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> In order to install anything. First update or upgrade bug
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> See
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> Every single mb is costly to poor people in here
[14:44] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: you can only install the update of a program if the previous version is buggy, otherwise you can choose not to
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> -_-
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> Try to understand the drawbacks
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> And people's mentality
[14:45] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj:and the day to day purpose apps on Ubuntu are not likely buggy
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> I n u can understand all this
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> Not someone who lives in village
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Do you know people still use xp
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Without any problem
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Try using ubuntu 12
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> -_-
[14:47] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: I can add a point, Africa is rough, Ubuntu thrived there.
[14:48] <pavlushka> No RajRajRaj , they are not using XP without any problem, I know that for sure from my real life experience :)
[14:48] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and why would some one try to use Ubuntu 12 now?
[14:49] <RajRajRaj> Yesterday i saw a person having xp on his 10 pcs
[14:49] <RajRajRaj> In his shop
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> All on
[14:50] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: may be you need some more volunteers for Ubuntu to give away free setups and maintenance
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> I want ubuntu to be bug free
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> Anf stable
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> Not like the way it is
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> More than that
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Enough software support
[14:51] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: name some bugs that you experience
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Easy processing
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Screen flicking
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Getting stuck on using eclipse
[14:51] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: windows has many zero day vulnerabilities
[14:52] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that you'll only know after getting hooked by those vulnerabilities
[14:52] <RajRajRaj> People in here knows ubunty as something for geeks
[14:52] <RajRajRaj> I asked a person why don't u have Ubuntu
[14:53] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that's the basic misinformation
[14:53] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: its the best User friendly and community supported Linux Distro to date.
[14:54] <RajRajRaj> He said his business is more important than learning shit. He just wants music system n audacity on his pc. He never shuts does his system. It old as hell n has earned him plenty of money
[14:55] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: you give him Ubuntu and help him in the maintenance, his view will change, my sis and of some more peoples view changed about Ubuntu after meeting me :p
[14:55] <RajRajRaj> Anyways
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Let me try for canonicals
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Probably they will understand what i mean
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Thanks
[14:57] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: He doesn't need to learn much for Ubuntu, the amount of knowledge he has on Windows, if he started with Ubuntu and you ask him about Windows, you would have got the same answer about windows from him.
[14:58] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: He just dont want to bother himself using a different system other than the one that already is running, there's nothing much you can do
[14:59] <pavlushka> He just dont want to learn anything new, that's the point and that does not mean Ubuntu is hard.
[14:59] <pavlushka> *mean/implies
[15:02] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: It's like I already know Hindi language that I can speak to, I don't want to learn Urdu as Hindi already works for me.
[15:02] <pavlushka> or for instance Spanish/French
[15:03] <pavlushka> or Marathi