[00:21] Has anyone noticed a worsening in battery life wwith ota-14? Fairly sure mines degraded :( [01:15] Acou_Bass: I might look into it. Can you play videos without problems? [01:57] t-ask: Yeah videos work for me though they wont play in the scope (though thats never worked for me anyway ) [01:58] Acou_Bass: Did you download them with Youtube-dl, too? [01:58] no I just took a video with my camera to test it hehe [02:00] Acou_Bass: I'm using Linux to download them and just put them on the phone. Since the OTA video playback is almost broken for me [02:00] hmm [02:00] Tried mp4, mkv and webm without final success :( [02:00] weird [02:01] lemme see if I can grab some from my server and trst [02:01] yes, very weired. With the OTA some videos only play audio with black sceeen [02:01] all vides thumbnails are rendered fine in Gallery [02:01] strange, really strange [02:01] Gallery can obviously get a frame from the videos, but can't playback ... [02:02] maybe I have to download them with a certain option or size eg. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:25] t-ask: OK so mp4 worked for me but webm and mkv didnt [02:25] all 3 were done eith youtube-dl [02:26] wihtout any special option, I guess. [02:26] the mp4 even played in the scope [02:26] strange I have so many mp4 which don't work at all [02:27] on the other hand, some of them work... [02:27] even when downloaded them from the same playlist eg... [02:27] all thats in my youtube-dl config is prefer free formats [02:29] Mmm [02:30] Error is shown "Failure to connect with playback backend." [02:31] yeah I got that with a mkv however webm played sound with a blank video [02:31] and mp4 worked perfectly in both media player and scope [02:31] webm had no thumbnail yet mkv sid [02:32] did* odd [02:36] I'm out of luck. MIght be another problem I have [02:36] I downloaded the app "mediacodecs" [02:36] starting it only lists Audio [02:40] or file names are too long [02:40] hmm [02:41] before the OTA I could play some of those videos. lets say 50% [02:41] now it si 5-10% max :( [02:42] this makes no sense to me [02:45] anyways, I have to leave. I will ask tomorrow. Maybe nore devs are on eg. [02:45] Acou_Bass: thanks for helping out :) [02:47] no worries :D [02:47] Ima mention mu battery issues too [02:47] ill test it for a couple days to make sure === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:44] I think high-bitrate videos might not work on a phone/tablet...? [05:45] maybe some high MPEG4 profiles not either [08:00] anyone around? [08:39] how to use SDL on Ubuntu Touch? [08:39] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/mir-sdl-support [08:40] they say it works, but I tired 5 different games all crashed the phone [08:40] immediately upon starting [08:40] display went goes to shit and phone soon restarts [08:40] but it does work if ssh into the phone with x forwarding [08:40] not on mir though [08:41] I tried both X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true and =false [08:41] the only difference is that with XMir enabled it only crashes the app, otherwise the entiore phone [08:52] KrisJace: We would like to fix that as soon as possible. Can you log a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+filebug [08:53] KrisJace: It's worth noting most of the development effort and real app testing for SDL has been on desktop (x86), and not the phone === vigo_ is now known as vigo [10:49] are there currently ubuntu touch phones for sale? Aquaris M10 is out of stock === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader === _salem is now known as salem_ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:22] where would I look if I was interessted in porting simple (own) things to the ubuntu-touch? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:14] bfiller: btw snap launching in u8 should mostly work now. So you can test apps in the real u8 env [14:14] You should download the snap from the silo, not the store though [14:14] Store u8 snap is lagging a bit, because of LP timeouts [14:14] mterry, yeah noticed that last week after building the snap [14:14] bfiller: k [14:15] mterry, most of our apps in the edge store use unity8 plug as well now [14:16] bfiller: calculator and clock don't (they're owned by ubuntucoredev, not canonical, but still) [14:16] mterry, hmn, renato__ thought these were updated? ^^^ [14:17] bfiller, let me re-check [14:18] mterry, which rev of clock app do you have? [14:18] renato__: 12 [14:19] mterry, try to update the version on store is 19 [14:19] renato__: hmm I did [14:19] let me try with more flags [14:20] renato__: ah. You became a devmode snap [14:20] I'm guessing calculator did too... [14:20] mterry, yes, because of unity8 interface [14:20] ick got it [14:21] renato__: ok well great -- I'll play with these and update the unity8-snap-install script to pass --devmode [14:22] mterry, thanks, [14:22] mterry, ubuntu-docviewer-app is just wainting for approval to be publish on store [14:28] renato__: is webbrowser-app on the radar to be updated? I still only see revision 1 [14:29] mterry, oSoMoN is working on that. he can give us some status [14:30] renato__, mterry: high on my list, will be done sometime this week [14:31] oSoMoN: cool, no rush on my side, just curious [14:35] renato__: do you know what the story is with the extra black window when launching a u8 snap? tedg said it was a snap-side issue? [14:36] mterry, I know that in the past we need to launch the apps with --desktop_file_hint=unity8 because the real desktop file hint does not work [14:36] it happens becasue the snaps are u7 snaps, not u8 snaps === petevg_afk is now known as petevg [14:36] mterry, removing it should fix the problem I think [14:37] the --desktop-file-hint should probably be removed, but i doubt it is the problem [14:37] the empty black hole window is xmir [14:37] dobey: my understanding is that snaps can claim both and work natively in both. But if you're saying that the snap is acting like a u7 snap in a u8 env, then I buy that [14:39] mterry: i still say it's a ual issue. the .desktop file says X-Ubuntu-Touch=true, and ual treats all "unity7" plugs as "x11" apps, when what the app runs on has nothing to do with unity7 itself [14:40] the "it can support both 'unity7' and 'unity8' interfaces" argument is a misnomer i think. because for snaps that declare both, do we show the same app twice, one that runs an xmir and one that doesn't? [14:41] I think we need to show it once, but we should use the "best" interface. [14:41] No, I think UAL just launches it differently [14:41] We need to clear the MIR_* variables when launching with XMir methinks. Perhaps some of the QT ones as well. [14:42] that is a recipe for disaster [14:42] I think it more comes down to "if the app declares both, it better do a good job of figuring things out" [14:42] I'd say that apps probably shouldn't declare both, because it's silly to carry all those extra libs, but we shouldn't disallow it. [14:43] i think we're ignoring the snapd-generated .desktop files, so we should prefer what the original .desktop file says, regardless of whether the interface is 'unity7' or 'unity8' [14:44] I think we have a firm way of confirming intent, magic undocumented keys in desktop files are not the way to go. [14:46] that might be true when snapd upstream actually has all the necessary changes, is deployed everywhere, and we don't have to have things manually approved in the store that require --devmode [14:46] i don't think that's true today [14:47] Sure, but I'm hoping it will be by say the end of Jan. So relaxing the rules won't help. [14:47] tedg: so is there guidance for app folks like renato__ to avoid the black window? some shell script wedge to determine if it has real Mir or not? [14:47] In theory no one can declare unity8 right now anyway. [14:47] mterry: It should be if you have DISPLAY use X11, if not, use MIR_SOCKET. [14:48] mterry: In theory the Qt backend stuff should do that. [14:48] mterry, the app does not have control over that. [14:48] mterry: That's why I think we need to remove MIR_* because it might be checking for MIR_SOCKET first there. [14:48] got it [14:49] So the app *could* scrub its own environment. But we can fix it once in UAL is what your saying [14:49] I think so, but right now that's just theory. [14:49] Let me try it. [14:50] "hold my beer" [14:50] * tedg wonders how mterry knew [14:57] a/buffer 22 [14:57] sorry. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === joc_ is now known as joc === VargaD_ is now known as VargaD === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:55] I have issue with booting ubuntu-phone , when my device load init of ubuntu-phone it reboots === salem_ is now known as _salem === JanC_ is now known as JanC === lilstevie_ is now known as lilstevie