[00:02] <Mibix> can someone help me set up samaba shares?
[00:03] <Mibix> samba*
[00:04] <Mibix> i can see the share i made on my network but i cant access it from another computer :(
[00:05] <th0r> Mibix: did you define a samba user ? 'sudo smbpasswd -a (username)
[00:07] <Mibix> th0r i was trying to do it so i dont have to login
[00:07] <Mibix> is that possible?
[00:07] <Ben64> yes
[00:08] <th0r> Mibix: you don't have to login. And the smb user can be the same as your login...but it has to be defined seperately
[00:08] <Ben64> guest ok = yes \n public = yes
[00:13] <cfoch> Eric lightdm is not loading my user session
[00:13] <cfoch> EriC^^:
[00:15] <cfoch> EriC^^:  :)
[00:17] <cfoch> lightdm is not loading my user session, any idea?
[00:17] <cfoch> I have tried with another user
[00:24] <cfoch> hellO?
[00:25] <cfoch> how do I see the log of lightdm?
[00:28] <vfw> cfoch: If lightdm had a log, it would more-thal-likely be in /var/log/lightdm/  but not so sure it exists.  (Not a lightdm user here.)
[00:28] <Mibix> ahh ok thanks
[00:28] <Mibix> need to copy this dynamic disk to a basic disk before i switch to ubuntu permanently, it did not like my dynamic disk lol
[00:29] <sintre> if you can might save time just to back everything up to some other media , then reinstall and start from scratch
[00:29] <sintre> if your looking to do a perm transition
[00:30] <BUSY> is remmina the right client for ubuntu-to-ubuntu vnc?
[00:30] <sintre> no clue what lightdm is
[00:30] <kevinb22> Hello, I am running ubuntu server 16 on a dell poweredge with a raid 1 (ubuntu) and raid 5 (for data). I was wondering how to get mount /dev/sdb1 (RAID 5) to mount properly. When i do a 'df' command I do not see it mounted. i've tried doing a  'sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /RAID_Set_One/' however it retruns NTFS Signature is missing. Can someone point me in the correct direction?
[00:31] <cfoch> lightdm is not working
[00:31] <cfoch> it cannot load my user session
[00:31] <vfw> cfoch: Where are you at now?  What do you see on the screen at the point of failure?
[00:32] <cfoch> vfw:I see the purple/orange background before loading the user
[00:32] <vfw> cfoch: And then just black?
[00:33] <cfoch> It gets stuck between clicking on login (from lightdm) and before loading the desktop environment
[00:33] <cfoch> vfw: not black, just that purple screen
[00:34] <vfw> cfoch: What GPU do you have?
[00:35] <cfoch> vfw: IDK, how do I see that?
[00:35] <vfw> cfoch: And is it a desktop? Or laptop?
[00:35] <vfw> cfoch: lspci |grep -i vga
[00:35] <cfoch> vfw: desktop
[00:36] <carbine> I'm a bit of a noob so bare with me, but I am getting issues using optirun/bumblebee after suspend in Xubuntu 16.04 on an 820m with nvidia-375 drivers.
[00:37] <vfw> cfoch: lspci |grep -i vga   #should give you a one line output that will identify your display adapter.  Tell us what it says.
[00:38] <cfoch> vfw: Advanced Micro Devices... RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
[00:38] <Led_Zeppelin> can someone help me with my sound card?
[00:39] <vfw> cfoch: Fully updated?
[00:39] <cfoch> vfw: I was updating before using do-release-update -d
[00:39] <vfw> cfoch: Can you elaborate on that last statement?
[00:40] <Trinity> i'm triyng to make my mongod service not start on startup
[00:40] <Trinity> i dont see a script in /etc/init.d but I do see one in /etc/init
[00:40] <cfoch> It seems it finished, but something weird happened
[00:40] <Trinity> where else should I look for startup scripts?
[00:40] <cfoch> I do not know how to explain it
[00:41] <vfw> cfoch: What version were you on before?
[00:41] <cfoch> I pressed enter, and the terminal showed cfoch@cfoch-ubuntu:~$ many times, but in the same line
[00:41] <cfoch> vfw: Ubuntu 10.05
[00:41] <cfoch> 10.04
[00:42] <vfw> 10.04?  Really?
[00:42] <dikiaap> Wow
[00:43] <nicomachus> 10.04 has only been EOL for a year and a half. not much more surprising than the occasional 14.10 we see
[00:44] <vfw> cfoch: You need to backup your personal files and do fresh install.
[00:44] <sintre> not much to add , but i can say using kubuntu 16.04 and works fine one a old 4 gig core 2 duo pc that is 8 years old
[00:45] <sintre> so i wouldn't worry about problems with it working with upgrade :)
[00:45] <cfoch> how do I copy & paste from terminal?
[00:45] <vfw> cfoch: Shift-Ctrl-c   Shift-Ctrl-v
[00:45] <vfw> cfoch:   copy    paste
[00:46] <cfoch> vfw: I refer to the terminal you open with Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2/F3...
[00:46] <vfw> In other GUI apps, just Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v
[00:47] <cfoch> vfw: I don't have GUI
[00:47] <vfw> cfoch: That's console mode.  tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4  etc.
[00:47] <cfoch> yep, console mode :)
[00:47] <vfw> cfoch: You need to show us something?
[00:47] <cfoch> yes, I need to copy & paste
[00:47] <nicomachus> you can also use termbin or pastebinit
[00:47] <cfoch> I have the app installed to copy & paste from terminal
[00:48] <cfoch> but I don't remember its name, so I can't use it
[00:48] <cfoch> It is an app to use the cursor in the console actually
[00:48] <nicomachus> cfoch: what are you trying to copy paste?
[00:48] <vfw> cfoch: lsb_release -a |& nc termbin.com 9999
[00:49] <cfoch> can you give me the link of the last Ubuntu version
[00:49] <cfoch> ?
[00:49] <vfw> cfoch: The above command will give you a URL you could send us and we would see the output of the command lsb_release -a
[00:49] <cfoch> please
[00:49] <cfoch> so I can download it
[00:49] <cfoch> with wget
[00:50] <vfw> cfoch: lsb_release -r  #Will tell you what you have now?  (Just version number)
[00:50] <Ben64> cfoch: 64bit or 32
[00:50] <cfoch> 16.10
[00:50] <vfw> cfoch: I suggest 16.04  (LTS)
[00:51] <vfw> cfoch: Is your computer dual core or better?
[00:51] <sintre> 64 bit prefered
[00:51] <vfw> cfoch: (Do you want/need 64bit or 32bit?)
[00:51] <sintre> well 1.4 core duo easily runs 64 bit version
[00:52] <cfoch> vfw: but I want the last version to develop on some of the GNOME applications, I suppose it will need some of the latest versions
[00:52] <vfw> cfoch: cat /proc/cpuinfo |nc termbin.com 9999  #Show us...
[00:52] <sintre> lts will give you newest goodies . you can upgrade up from there
[00:52] <sintre> seems you need a stable system atm
[00:53] <nicomachus> I still don't believe he's on 10.04
[00:53] <vfw> cfoch: Just go to ubuntu.com and choose for yourself.
[00:53] <Ben64> cfoch: but if you had 10.04 and waited this long to upgrade, you're better off using LTS
[00:53] <vfw> cfoch: (You know what your needs are.)
[00:53] <nicomachus> refuses to run an lsb_release -r
[00:54] <sintre> or enlglish isn't his first language and he doesn't know what he's on
[00:54] <vfw> nicomachus: -v  Sorry...
[00:54] <cfoch> termbin.com/o2pn
[00:54] <nicomachus> vfw: huh?
[00:54] <cfoch> vfw: I don have GUI xD
[00:55] <vfw> nicomachus: Actually, -r should work too....
[00:55] <nicomachus> -r would work fine.
[00:55] <sintre> how do you not have a gui?
[00:55] <nicomachus>  so would -a
[00:55] <vfw> -r should give the release version number
[00:55] <cfoch> could you just give me the link :) please
[00:56] <nicomachus> cfoch: no.
[00:56] <cfoch> I then will copy it to my USB
[00:56] <sintre> if no gui then how can you see to download a file?
[00:56] <cfoch> to install from scratch
[00:56] <nicomachus> no one is going to spoon feed you without some info.
[00:56] <cfoch> wget
[00:56] <cfoch> sintre: ^
[00:56] <vfw> cfoch: You want 64bit Desktop edition?
[00:56] <cfoch> yes, please
[00:56] <vfw> cfoch: Do you want unity or xfce or kde?
[00:57] <cfoch> Unity
[00:57] <cfoch> thank you
[00:57] <vfw> cfoch: 16.10 64bit?
[00:57] <cfoch> yes
[00:57] <sintre> so you know the different , deskktop manahers but can't manage a gui?
[00:57] <vfw> cfoch: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=16.10&architecture=amd64
[00:57]  * sintre is confused now
[00:57] <pavlos> http://mirror.pnl.gov/releases/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:58] <cfoch> thank you again :)
[00:58] <pavlos> 16.04 LTS desktop
[00:58] <cfoch> wait
[00:58] <cfoch> 16.10
[00:58] <Ben64> 16.10 loses support in July 2017
[00:58] <nicomachus> vfw linked 16.10, pavlos linked 16.04
[00:58]  * sintre if wondering if 6 year old is having fun with channel
[00:59] <nicomachus> be nice..
[00:59] <pavlos> http://mirror.pnl.gov/releases/16.10/ubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:59] <vfw> cfoch: Do you want 16.04?
[00:59] <cfoch> that's okay, thank you
[00:59] <vfw> 16.04 is what I recommend.
[00:59] <cfoch> why?
[01:00] <nicomachus> because it's supported for 5 years
[01:00] <nicomachus> 16.10 is only supported for 6 months.
[01:00] <vfw> cfoch: follow pavlos' first link.
[01:00] <vfw> http://mirror.pnl.gov/releases/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:00] <cfoch> but the packages are old versions but stable right?
[01:00] <nicomachus> no
[01:00] <cfoch> so?
[01:00] <sintre> test in progress
[01:00] <sintre> new packages out all the time
[01:00] <sintre> but not guanteed stable
[01:01] <sintre> why difference between newest and lts
[01:01] <nicomachus> yes guaranteed stable
[01:01] <nicomachus> for repos, at least. not ppas
[01:01] <cfoch> which have more up-to-date packages? 16.04 LTS or 16.10?
[01:01] <sintre> both will update
[01:02] <sintre> and if you want super newst you can upgrade from 16.04 to 1610 dowbn the road once you know your stable and running
[01:02] <nicomachus> cfoch: if you want bleeding-edge package updates, then Ubuntu isn't for you. but they will be up to date for the latest stable release.
[01:02] <sintre> for all we know you using an atari as a pc at this point as you won't give us any system info
[01:03] <cfoch> I'd like to have the newest packages'
[01:03] <vfw> cfoch: 16.10 will be newer packages.
[01:03]  * sintre bangs head agains keyboard again
[01:03] <cfoch> because I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu in the future also
[01:04] <cfoch> What version do Ubuntu developers use?
[01:04] <Ben64> more people are probably on 16.04
[01:05] <sintre> lts aka 16.04 all developers will probally look towards as it the one all dedicate to support for years
[01:05] <sintre> so they will want the "newest" and latest things to run with it
[01:05] <tgm4883> sintre: 16.04 will not have newer packages than 16.10
[01:06] <sintre> out the box now , but most main programs will support 16.04 for many years am i wrong?
[01:06] <sintre> and update said packages
[01:06] <sintre> as needed
[01:06] <cfoch> downloading 16.04.1
[01:06] <tgm4883> sintre: you're wrong
[01:06] <cfoch> you've convinced me
[01:06] <vfw> cfoch: Good choice.
[01:07] <sintre> explain this for me tgm
[01:07] <cfoch> is sb using jhbuild here?
[01:07] <tgm4883> sintre: i'm not entirely sure what you want me to explain. The repos for 16.04 are locked and basically the only thing that gets updated would be security patches.
[01:08] <sintre> i uses kubuntu and use backports
[01:08] <sintre> i upgrade some 252 packages on a fresh install 3 days ago
[01:08] <tgm4883> sintre: and?
[01:09] <sintre> yes developers still upgrade 16,04 is my point
[01:09] <sintre> you decided at assert it doesn't and /or isn't happening
[01:09] <sintre> there is the point
[01:10] <tgm4883> sintre: so some packages get updated via -backports and that means that all developers will look towards 16.04 as the one to support for years?
[01:11] <sintre> othats a question not an arguement tgm and one that isn't worth sswering with any deailt because obvisouly i cannot answer with a magic ball how long people will support 16.04
[01:11] <sintre> but currently they are so thats all that matters to me at the moment
[01:13] <tgm4883> sintre: I'm just paraphrasing what you said earlier
[01:14] <sintre> no you mad a question involing an assertion bud
[01:14] <sintre> and inside admit what i said was acurate
[01:14] <tgm4883> sintre: you win dude, pat yourself on the back
[01:14] <sintre> "so some packages get updated"
[01:14] <sintre> i could care less
[01:15] <sintre> useless exchange for both of us
[01:15] <tgm4883> couldn't* ;)
[01:16] <sintre> well you win the grammar war gratz
[01:24] <Guest34533> #HailGrasa
[01:24] <Guest34533> fuckallyou
[01:25] <puffinz> only if you buy me dinner first
[01:26] <sintre> i charge 1k per hours
[01:26] <sintre> dinner is expected :)
[01:26] <bazhang> !ot | sintre
[01:27]  * sintre got in trouble for a silly comment
[01:27] <bazhang> sintre, take the chit chat elsewhere
[01:29] <stevendale> Thanks bazhang
[01:30] <sintre> well go ahead and ban me and my subnet
[01:30] <sintre> if i'm not nice enough for this chatroom
[01:30] <bazhang> sintre, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat, here is support, please
[01:34] <bawla> -hi
[01:34] <bawla> Drone?
[01:35] <bawla> hi liuxg
[01:36] <liuxg> bawla, hi
[01:36] <bawla> are you new here?
[01:38] <bawla> hi zialus..
[01:38] <xenial_> hi!
[01:38] <bawla> hi
[01:38] <bawla> how are you doing?
[01:39] <_28_ria> hello, after my FireFox got upgraded to V50, I started having problems with video.
[01:39] <bazhang> bawla, did you have an ubuntu support issue
[01:39] <_28_ria> It plays, normal @ first, then starts jumping back shortly to old frames. The further it playes, the more old frames it gets, until I only see a loop of jumping back and forth frames to the end of video.
[01:39] <bazhang> bawla, if not please chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:39] <bawla> yeah @_28
[01:41] <bawla> i tried installing airmon-ng and its not working
[01:42] <sintre> is it streaming media file from websites , or also media files you have locally on a hdd
[01:43] <sintre> if its the former i'd try some different browser and see if it reproduces same problem
[01:44] <_28_ria> sintre: I never try to play videos with FF from HDD, but from websites. Chrome plays fine.
[01:44] <_28_ria> Chromium
[01:45] <sintre> not sure how to play local video witha  web browser myself :), maybe if there a lower version of firefox you can downgrade to temporaliy
[01:45] <sintre> so seems you have all codecs if chromium is playing them
[01:45] <FMan> hi
[01:46] <sintre> one thing is alot of video sites have moved to the new streaming format like hmilli64 7 (not real exageration there) instead of flash
[01:46] <sintre> so maybe if it contained to one site it there issue?
[01:47] <_28_ria> sintre: I know for sure, that the previous FF version was fine. It just happened, after FF got upgraded to 50. I know how to play videos with FF, just drug && drop it on FF, but I don't see the point of using a web browser to play local videos.
[01:47] <sintre> thier grammar police
[01:47] <FMan> I would like to ask a quick question
[01:48] <_28_ria> sintre: It's not a site problem, I thought it too, @ first, but then checked on other sites, had the same problem. I am thinking, maybe I can change some hidden setting in FF, related to video, or graphics card, but I don't know what to change. There are so many parameters, many of them I have no clue about.
[01:49] <sintre> 28> no clue either very odd , maybe report to firefox developers
[01:49] <sintre> more people with same problem reporting sometimes gets some attention
[01:49] <sintre> sometimes
[01:49] <sintre> :/
[01:49] <Apachez> looks like Ubuntu at least are heading for EAL2+ http://fmv.se/sv/Verksamhet/CSEC---Sveriges-Certifieringsorgan-for-IT-Sakerhet/fffff/
[01:50] <sintre> Fman> whats up
[01:50] <howarth> Finally got Ubuntu 16.10 installed on my MacBook Pro with EFI32 firmwar
[01:50] <sintre> err weird
[01:50] <sintre> jsut checked my firefox states its 50.0,2
[01:51] <sintre> using kubtunu lts  no problems with normaly vids on youtube and most websites
[01:51] <howarth> had to resort to the Debian Jessie multi-arch iso and then switch the sources.list to Ubuntu though
[01:51] <_28_ria> I am on Unity
[01:52] <sintre> hmm well that closes in a bit
[01:52] <sintre> no experience with that unfurtately
[01:52] <_28_ria> I've already tried to change all kinds of graphics settings, but no change helped
[01:52] <_28_ria> in graphics driver and compiz
[01:52] <_28_ria> I have an nVidia, what do you have?
[01:54] <sintre> this old system is using and old nvidia geforce 8400 gs mobile with a core 2 duo 1.4 mhz
[01:54] <sintre> 128 mb
[01:55] <_28_ria> sintre: my FF is also 50.0.2 and Ubuntu 16.04, do you also have 16.04?
[01:55] <sintre> yep
[01:55] <sintre> lts using 5.6.5 plasma
[01:57] <FMan> I have been wondering if it is possible to get Ubuntu without Thunderbird pre-installed?
[01:59] <_28_ria> sintre: oops, I have ATI cards 2 of them HD4350/4550 and HD8670
[01:59] <sintre> 28> well that was off hehe
[02:00] <sintre> seems to be a unity / firefox issue atm
[02:00] <rhollan> anyone home? I need help getting networking working
[02:00] <rhollan> on 16.04 with an apparent race to name an interface
[02:00] <sintre> only thing i can think of would be a throw up a post on both support forums , maybe one of them will bite anxd look into it
[02:01] <rhollan> If I boot in recovery and get networking up it works, but I get the dreaded failure when starting Raise networking if I boot straight
[02:01] <sintre> that was directed at 28 , ra sry you came in while typing
[02:01] <_28_ria> I just used to have one nvidia and one ati, and I changed one, so both of my cards are from the same manufacturer, but I've forgot. Thought, that replaced ati with nvidia, but it was the otherwise.
[02:02] <rhollan> I disabled interface renaming vie kernel options but systemd just tries to get networking up before the interface is recognized
[02:03] <Ben64> rhollan: what do you mean you 'disabled interface renaming vie kernel options'
[02:03] <rhollan> net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
[02:03] <Ben64> why
[02:03] <sintre> @ 28 i'de contact firefox support , atleast report this with all the info grx and so on , mean time use chromium we do have options :)
[02:03] <rhollan> otherwise it tries to rename eth0 to eno1
[02:04] <Ben64> and that's bad because...?
[02:04] <rhollan> I can allow it if I boot into recovery and manually bring networking up
[02:04] <rhollan> maybe it's a red herring, but all suggestions to fix the problem revolve around stopping that renaming. Thing is it doesn't help
[02:05] <_28_ria> sintre: I know, that we have options, except, that I'd prefer to keep my bookmarks in one place.
[02:05] <Ben64> rhollan: change it back to default
[02:05] <rhollan> I thought I had it working and returned to a straight boot, and it still fails
[02:05] <rhollan> DEfault is even worse.
[02:05] <rangemonger> greets and stuff
[02:05] <rhollan> None of the vlans are found on subordinate interfaces
[02:06] <rhollan> it's just the main interface that it complains about. if I stop the renaming, it is "better".
[02:06] <Ben64> it's not being renamed
[02:06] <sintre> 28@ if you find a solution pls let me know :)
[02:06] <Ben64> it's getting a consistent name
[02:06] <rhollan> Apparently it has something to do with systemd trying to bring up networking on the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and the interfaces being discovered
[02:07] <rhollan> I know what the renaming is for... it's rather irrelevant to me since I only have one ethernet interface. I'd be happy with or without renaming.
[02:07] <Ben64> sounds like you're guessing
[02:07] <rhollan> I tried it both ways: most recommendations to "fix" the problem suggest to start with disabling renaming, so I did, and it appeared to work in recovery, but not a straight boot.
[02:08] <rhollan> Disabling renaming did not help.
[02:08] <Ben64> duh
[02:08] <rhollan> Apparently we have to "wait" for the interfaces to be discovered before networking can start them up. Something needs to wait, and I don't know how to get that to work on this systemd system
[02:08] <eelstrebor> i installed firmware-extract but i can't seem to find any info on how to use it - search results indicate that it's a dell product but i guess the package is no longer maintained because the link to dell gives "page not found"
[02:09] <rhollan> Apparently there are two races: waiting to discover the interfaces, and waiting to give them consistent names
[02:09] <Ben64> more guessing
[02:10] <Ben64> good luck
[02:10] <rhollan> I was hoping someone knew how to get systemd to behave
[02:12] <rhollan> google has not been helpful
[02:12] <rhollan> I don't even know if networkd is running or not. I do know /etc/udev/rules.d don't appear to be consulted
[02:13] <rhollan> All I am trying to do is get a faster VPN box running for my higher speed WAN connectivity: the old one can't do more than 50 Mb/s
[02:14] <rangemonger> rhollan: i lot of people would like to know how to get systemd to behave
[02:14] <rangemonger> *a lot
[02:17] <AssociateX> I did an sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt autoremove, now I do not get the login screen, I have to ctrl alt F1 and then startx. What do I need to look at?
[02:18] <rhollan> I see lots of suggestions on line but no explanations as to the dependency systemd should be waiting on
[02:18] <AssociateX> login screen *at * boot up*
[02:18] <rangemonger> AssociateX: try re installing xinit and xorg maybe?
[02:19] <rangemonger> ro reinstalling lightdm
[02:19] <rangemonger> *or
[02:19] <_28_ria> AssociateX: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[02:22] <AssociateX> rangemonger, _28_ria /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: lightdm is broken or not fully installed
[02:22] <AssociateX> yikes.
[02:22] <sintre> hmm try to sudo apt update
[02:22] <_28_ria> sudo dpkg -a --configure
[02:22] <sintre> see if there is anything there
[02:22] <_28_ria> AssociateX:
[02:23] <AssociateX>  sudo dpkg -a --configure didn't do anything that I could tell.
[02:24] <AssociateX> running now sudo apt update
[02:24] <_28_ria> AssociateX: now try to do dpkg-reconfigure, suggested earlier again.
[02:24] <AssociateX> All packages are up to date.
[02:24] <AssociateX> .
[02:25] <AssociateX> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[02:25] <AssociateX> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: lightdm is broken or not fully installed
[02:25] <_28_ria> AssociateX: sudo apt -f install
[02:25] <rangemonger> oh nice, kernel 4.9s out
[02:26] <AssociateX> _28_ria, sudo apt -f install lightdm?
[02:26] <Ben64> AssociateX: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[02:27] <_28_ria> AssociateX: no: 'sudo apt -f install'
[02:27] <AssociateX> Ben64, how would I tell?
[02:27] <Ben64> you don't know what you installed?
[02:27] <AssociateX> _28_ria, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:27] <Ben64> try 'lsb_release -d'
[02:28] <_28_ria> AssociateX: try with lightdm, now:
[02:28] <AssociateX> Ben64, Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[02:28] <rhollan> rangemonger
[02:28] <AssociateX> _28_ria, ok
[02:28] <_28_ria> AssociateX: as you've wanted 'sudo apt-get -f install lightdm'
[02:28] <rhollan> rangemonger: yes, it is a half-baked PITA
[02:29] <rangemonger> indeed
[02:30] <magnval> Hello
[02:31] <AssociateX> how do I tell which dm to use, lightdm or sddm?
[02:31] <sintre> hi
[02:31] <_28_ria> AssociateX: lightdm, is the default out of the box on recent Ubuntus
[02:32] <AssociateX> Thanks
[02:32] <_28_ria> it used to be gdm
[02:32] <adu1> Hello?
[02:32] <rangemonger> AssociateX: lightdm is fine
[02:32] <sintre> hell adu
[02:32] <rangemonger> both are probably fine
[02:32] <sintre> hello sry
[02:32] <AssociateX> _28_ria, I wonder why it shows that both are installed.
[02:32] <uxfi> hi folks
[02:33] <rangemonger> something he got probably depended on sddm
[02:33] <_28_ria> AssociateX: because, you've probably installed some other window manager, besides unity, or whatever.
[02:33] <AssociateX> _28_ria, oh, yeah, and I have.
[02:33] <_28_ria> sddm comes with other desktop environment
[02:33] <_28_ria> I don't know which, though.
[02:34] <AssociateX> blackbox, flux, or something like that?
[02:34] <adu> magnval: hi
[02:34] <_28_ria> i see
[02:34] <_28_ria> did your problem got solved?
[02:34] <rangemonger> i cant remember which one sddm was
[02:34] <_28_ria> AssociateX:
[02:34] <AssociateX> yes
[02:34] <rangemonger> i miss kdm :(
[02:35] <_28_ria> rangemonger: why don't you install it, then?
[02:35] <rangemonger> _28_ria: kde stopped deving it
[02:35] <AssociateX> rangemonger, same here.
[02:35] <_28_ria> I c
[02:36] <AssociateX> now I just go with whatever comes out of the box.
[02:36] <AssociateX> time for a restart
[02:36] <AssociateX> cross fingers
[02:36] <_28_ria> AssociateX: good luck
[02:36] <rangemonger> it was nice because kde had a control panel module to configure it
[02:36] <rangemonger> and it had a lot of options
[02:38] <magnval> Im all jacked up on caffiene
[02:39] <rangemonger> heh
[02:39] <sintre> mods get mad when you chit chat , not related to any support
[02:39] <sintre> then again i just think they don't like me personally
[02:40] <rangemonger> nah, youre right, they do
[02:40] <magnval> I want to know which chromebook can load linux ubuntu
[02:40] <sintre> i used  lubtuntu
[02:40] <rangemonger> magnval: probably any that has an intel cpu
[02:40] <rangemonger> or amd
[02:41] <sintre> ony a 1 ghz celeron once
[02:41] <magnval> Im a newb
[02:42] <sintre> actually i'm kickin myself , i was thinkin they had this firetablet at blackfriday sale on amazon for 28 bucks
[02:43] <sintre> i wonder if anybody has been able to root and install a unbuntu based os on those
[02:44] <rangemonger> apparently sddm is what kde now uses
[02:44] <AssociateX> Well, I have a gui login screen at boot up now. It does not look like it did before but I don't care. Thank you for the help.
[02:45] <rangemonger> which one are you using sddm or lightdm?
[02:45] <sintre> using kde now , whats the command to find out range , curious myself
[02:45] <AssociateX> lightdm
[02:45] <rangemonger> chances are its the opposite of the one you had before
[02:45] <vfw> sddm
[02:46] <rangemonger> wmctrl -m
[02:46] <HairToday> hello there!  I was wondering if there was a way to "transform" my Ubuntu intsall into a Lubuntu install without having to wipe and reinstall from scratch...
[02:47] <vfw> HairToday: Sure
[02:47] <sintre> hairtodady- would suggest backing up either way you go about it :) if your like me nothing always goes exactly right
[02:47] <vfw> !info lubuntu-desktop | HairToday
[02:47] <vfw> HairToday: It's safe...
[02:48] <rangemonger> HairToday: install lubuntu-desktop, uninstall ubuntu-desktop, then do sudo apt-get autoremove and autoclean
[02:48] <HairToday> so its just like a KDE install desktop envirnment.  Is that all Lubuntu is is just another DE?
[02:48] <rangemonger> HairToday: yes, a minimal one, at that
[02:48] <rangemonger> its lite and fast
[02:48] <rangemonger> whereas kde is more feature rich
[02:49] <rangemonger> though lxde is soon getting replaced by lxqt
[02:49] <HairToday> so that would be different than just installing XFCE
[02:49] <Ben64> xfce is in xubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <rangemonger> funny thing is, theyve been saying that the next lubuntu is goting to do that for years now
[02:49] <vfw> HairToday: Correct
[02:49] <vfw> HairToday: http://www.distroscreens.com/2016/04/lubuntu-1604-lts-xenial-xerus.html
[02:50] <vfw> (Screenshots)
[02:50] <rangemonger> HairToday: xfce is a bit less lite than lx
[02:50] <rangemonger> its very well polished
[02:50] <vfw> HairToday: I recomment xfce
[02:50] <rangemonger> lxde is sometimes a bit too lite
[02:50] <rangemonger> by default, its missing common things
[02:51] <rangemonger> like a gui sound mixer
[02:51] <rangemonger> one can be added, but its not there by default
[02:51] <HairToday> I only have a 1.3 GB amd processor on this thing - and opening a context window puts my CPU at %80  :O(
[02:51] <rangemonger> also, lxde has some weird behaviours, sometimes
[02:52] <rangemonger> id still suggest giving xfce a shot
[02:52] <vfw> I think recommend is spelled with a d)
[02:52] <rangemonger> imo xfce is the most polished and stable desktop on linux
[02:52] <rangemonger> and thats coming from someone who likes kde the best
[02:53] <vfw> And this is from someone that likes xfce best
[02:53] <HairToday> I'm too inlove with gnome-flashback - and I hate unity with the furious rage of 1,000 supernovas
[02:53] <vfw> HairToday: You like mate?
[02:54] <HairToday> no, not mate
[02:54] <rangemonger> unity can go away, yeah
[02:54] <rangemonger> mates decent, imo
[02:54] <rangemonger> mates the best one to use if you like  compiz
[02:54] <vfw> HairToday: Then, you will make a good xfce user.
[02:55] <rangemonger> gome and cinnamon really need a non compositting mode
[02:55] <rangemonger> well gnomes got flashback so that semi counts
[02:55] <HairToday> I love and neeeeed compiz, I don't like mate.  Mate had too many aesthetic issues
[02:55] <rangemonger> HairToday: depends on the distro or the packages you have installed
[02:56] <rangemonger> if you install mate-desktop on ubuntu, its all messed up
[02:56] <rangemonger> you need to install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[02:56] <HairToday> which I did :OP
[02:56] <kk4ewt> lol
[02:56] <rangemonger> compiz is boss, works decently with xfce but it just feels the most integrated to mate
[02:56] <kk4ewt> rangemonger, its working fine here
[02:57] <kk4ewt> mate
[02:57] <HairToday> Well thank you  you guys!  I havn't been on this chat in like.... 6 years? ha
[02:57] <HairToday> thank you for the help and keep up the good work!
[02:58] <vfw> I want a DE that stay's out of the way and easy to use.  Don't need eye-candy, I need functionality.
[02:58] <rangemonger> its a good community
[02:58] <rangemonger> compiz is useful at times
[02:58] <rangemonger> i still find the cube to be the best multi desktop implementation out there
[02:58] <rangemonger> if you use ctl+alt to manually rotatate it
[02:59] <vfw> too coplicated.
[02:59] <rangemonger> you can use it to quickly peek at other desktops and back
[02:59] <rangemonger> or run another os on one cube face
[02:59] <sintre> i just want point and clikc to work :) i'm sa bit simple
[02:59] <rangemonger> its a smooth workflow if you use that instead of just dragging a window to the screen edge
[02:59] <vfw> I don't do a lot of dragging.
[03:00] <rangemonger> also the tabs pluggin was really useful
[03:00] <rangemonger> dunno if thats still there
[03:00] <rangemonger> actually, thats one of KDEs best features, you can tab everything
[03:00] <rangemonger> even non tabbing apps
[03:01] <sintre> use kde but don't use half the features
[03:01] <_28_ria> vfw: Video For Windows?
[03:01] <vfw> _28_ria: What?
[03:01] <sintre> hopefully new plsma version and upgrade will help with duel monitor set up a bit better
[03:01] <sintre> seems to have trouble outing to a resolution not on the primary screen
[03:02] <RNeville> Help , please my mouse just stop responding under 16.04 Ubuntu
[03:02] <vfw> Oh, no.  Veterans of Foriegn Wars
[03:02] <vfw> USA
[03:02] <rangemonger> oh, thats a shame
[03:02] <_28_ria> vfw: :), I just thought, you've modeled your nick from the abbrev.: VFW (Video For Windows).
[03:02] <vfw> naw...
[03:03] <rangemonger> RNeville: usb or bt?
[03:03] <RNeville> bt
[03:03] <b-yeezi> RNeville: do you still see the cursor?
[03:06] <sintre> could be a dead battery, had some old blu tooth head phones that crapped out on me
[03:06] <sintre> not exactly the mos t helpful but , feel your furstration :)
[03:07] <sintre> and of course had every size battery except the ones i needed
[03:07] <b-yeezi> I've had problems with bluetooth mice staying connected. I usually have to manually reconnect using keyboard only
[03:08] <sintre> i believe ya ,
[03:08] <b-yeezi> Is there still a LOCO meeting?
[03:08] <sintre> never in=vested much in bt gear
[03:09] <sintre> as long as we still have cheaper corded stuff i'll go with that
[03:09] <sintre> some sets up would be a god send though
[03:09] <sintre> like being able to use your stuff in a larger room with big scfreen tv for gaming
[03:10] <sintre> but not my cup of tea
[03:10] <rangemonger> 2nd that
[03:10] <rangemonger> hard wires 5ever
[03:11] <Finetundra_> Hey folks, I've installed ubuntu on vbox (host is windows) and when I try to mount a shared folder I get the error: mount: unknown filesystem type sf_test. Does anyone have any idea? I've already verified that ntfs-3g is installed an up to date
[03:11] <Finetundra_> The guest is 16.04.1
[03:11] <rangemonger> Finetundra_: did you install the guest tools in ubuntu?
[03:12] <Finetundra_> I did install guest additions. Unless tools is a different thing
[03:12] <rangemonger> no, thats what i meant, sorry
[03:13] <rangemonger> crap, i just uninstalled vbox too
[03:14] <Finetundra_> :(
[03:14] <rangemonger> when you add a folder, what are the options under it again?
[03:14] <rangemonger> its good, but i needed to remove it for xen to work
[03:15] <Finetundra_> WWhen you go to add a shared folder it asks for the path, what you want it called, read-oly, auto mount, and make permanent checkboxes are present as well
[03:15] <rangemonger> do automount and make perm, ok everything and then restart the guest
[03:16] <rangemonger> some times i find that helps with windows guests
[03:16] <rangemonger> im running the opposite setup, lin host, win quests
[03:16] <rangemonger> but it helps for that sometimes
[03:17] <rangemonger> ill restore my last os snapshot with vbox once i get this xen thing sorted out, then i might be of more help
[03:17] <rangemonger> ps, if you get into linux, xen is freakin mint
[03:17] <rangemonger> best vm hosting thinger ive ever used
[03:18] <Finetundra_> Being honest I've never actually meddled with the desktop VM software xen. I've only used Xenserver
[03:19] <rangemonger> the open source xen packages for linux are the way to go, imo
[03:19] <rangemonger> pci passthrough is the money
[03:19] <RNeville> still , no mouse responding - fresh batteries in my bt mouse
[03:19] <sintre> :(
[03:20] <Finetundra_> rangemonger: Well, that got it to work. Thanks friend
[03:20] <rangemonger> np, glad it helped
[03:21] <sintre> RN>  have any other blue tooth device to test your bt card?
[03:21] <sintre> that you know has worked in the past
[03:22] <Bubbely> Hi
[03:22] <rangemonger> yo
[03:22] <sintre> hi bubbely
[03:23] <Bubbely> My laptop is stuck at purple screen and wont  off when I hold power button nor does alt Ctrl delete work
[03:23] <Guest40016> guys, im just connecting an hd 7770. lshw -c video gives me "driver = radeon" I don't know what's currently the best amd driver to use, would this be it?
[03:24] <Bubbely> Any ideas
[03:24] <Guest40016> Bubbely, have you tried holding ctrl alt prntscrn while typing r e i s u b?
[03:24] <Guest40016> if that works it should reboot your computer without needing to hold the power button down
[03:25] <Bubbely> Does nothingnothing
[03:25] <rhollan> is it normal for ubuntu 16 server to not have a login prompt on the console once it boots
[03:25] <Finetundra_> rangemonger: I do have one last question if you don't mind
[03:25] <kk4ewt> Bubbely,  control-alt f2 does it give you a terminal
[03:26] <Finetundra_> rangemonger: Is it possible to not mount it as root?
[03:26] <kk4ewt> Finetundra_, root does all the mount but you can give a mount other permissions
[03:27] <rangemonger> Finetundra_: hmm, i dont know actually, i never thought about it
[03:27] <kk4ewt> after its mounted
[03:28] <kk4ewt> man mount man fstab
[03:29] <rangemonger> Bubbely: im guessing if power doesnt go off after a 30sec hold, its maybe a hardware issue
[03:29] <sintre> bubb> are you using a second pc to use the chat?
[03:31] <BlackKraken> hey guys i need some help here
[03:32] <Bubbely> Im using a tablet and it suddenly powered off
[03:32] <rangemonger> which tab?
[03:32] <rangemonger> BlackKraken: go ahead, we will try
[03:33] <BlackKraken> stuck on ubuntu boot through initramfs even after trying pretty well everything
[03:33] <Bashing-om> Guest40016: in 16.04+ AMD is going full bore support for us as open source, the driver is provided ( your case, radeon)in the kernel . There is nothing else realistically that you can do .
[03:33] <UniFreak> I can't get xdebug to work. I'm using nginx and php-fpm. after I run `pecl install xdebug`, then added `zend_extension='where/xdebug.so/in'`, then run `sudo service php5-fpm restart`. I did a phpinfo(), there is no xdebug
[03:35] <rangemonger> blackflow: this is a fresh install?
[03:35] <BlackKraken> heres my log please whatever you can help with is appreciated...my hardware is still under warranty and therefore i cannot open it paste.ubuntu.com/23617016
[03:36] <BlackKraken> it was originally a dual boot that i eventually took over with ubuntu
[03:36] <sintre> why can't you open it?
[03:36] <sintre> how would they know any way or the other
[03:36] <sintre> just curious tghe logic there
[03:36] <BlackKraken> i would have to eject drive, there are stickers...
[03:37] <BlackKraken> its an hp so they are very picky i would rather not chance it
[03:37] <Shorty__> BlackKraken: uh, that's illegal in most places
[03:37] <Shorty__> you can open hardware
[03:37] <sintre> ok , just diesembled a budget notebooks a big pain from dell , no stickers found on inside
[03:37] <Shorty__> it's user servicable
[03:37] <sintre> they wouldn't know the difference
[03:38] <sintre> i understand your concern though
[03:38] <BlackKraken> ok, at a last option i may eject it then
[03:39] <rangemonger> was it a fresh ubuntu install?
[03:40] <BlackKraken> but i dont see where the problem is i have repaired boot lots...same with repatitioned...i spent last 32hrs trying this.. i have googled it as much as possible, i am newer to comp programming but have basic understanding of how it works, and a fresh install is just where theres no os on the drive you want to install on right
[03:40] <rangemonger> bah, this damn mousepad is terrible
[03:40] <BlackKraken> if not then it was a dual boot with windows 10
[03:40] <BlackKraken> and haha i hate mousepads :(
[03:41] <sintre> what is the firmare one target system?
[03:41] <rangemonger> this one has problems, mouse just randomly jump/clicks all over
[03:41] <rangemonger> its really flimsy
[03:42] <BlackKraken> i installed ubuntu on my external hd and it booted and worked fine but i restart it and BOOM stuck at damn initramfs menu :(
[03:42] <BlackKraken> and mine does the same on hp stream
[03:42] <BlackKraken> i hate it, i need a better mouse
[03:43] <rangemonger> ever since everyone copied apple with its click pads, things have gotten crappy with them
[03:43] <sintre> do you want it installed on your interal hdd black
[03:44] <BlackKraken> yes i kinda do
[03:44] <sintre> was gonna say a problem i came across is the partition table
[03:45] <sintre> gave me two weeks of headaces actually
[03:45] <BlackKraken> and yup cause apple was $#@T
[03:45] <sintre> UEFI  and GTP partition tables
[03:45] <sintre> if you want it installed in UEFI you need to do it manually and not trust installer to change it for you
[03:46] <sintre> if you want it in older legacy/ms bios mode then partition or make sure it's partitioned that way
[03:46] <sintre> gtp for UEFI  and ms/dos for older legacy
[03:47] <BlackKraken> @sintre alright thank you i am going with a newer version but kegacy works better and lets me boot usb
[03:47] <sintre> you can use new verios , but install it different
[03:47] <sintre> jjust make sure oyu change partition table in partition managet to gtp
[03:48] <sintre> before install
[03:49] <sintre> yes legacy greast, at installer it might say something like force uefi install
[03:49] <BlackKraken> ok so sorry to ask this but sintre how would i change the partition to gtp (Nub question) sorry
[03:49] <sintre> then click go back and it will let you conintue
[03:49] <sintre> got any partition manager handy?
[03:49] <BlackKraken> lots, i have the comp beside me
[03:49] <sintre> if you can boot a live cd/usb
[03:50] <BlackKraken> and have the luinux repair and live boot usb
[03:50] <sintre> gparted maybe?
[03:50] <BlackKraken> i have come at this from all angles man xD
[03:50] <BlackKraken> and through gparted i dont get that option :( ill check quick
[03:50] <sintre> gparted if your starting from scratch this is what i'd do
[03:51] <sintre> first deactive swap
[03:51] <sintre> then delete all seen partitions
[03:51] <BlackKraken> how woul i deativate my swap?
[03:51] <sintre> then from device go to create partition table
[03:51] <sintre> "partioon swap off"
[03:52] <BlackKraken> now space between and after is that needed on clean install or full install?
[03:52] <sintre> partition sry gettin a lil tips here
[03:52] <BlackKraken> its ok thank you
[03:52] <sintre> if nothing on there needed to be back up delete all
[03:52] <sintre> then hit apply operaation
[03:52] <BlackKraken> its a new comp so no files
[03:53] <sintre> well no file now lol
[03:53] <sintre> we'll work on that here
[03:53] <sintre> so you choice UEFI or legacy you said you wanted legacy for boot options
[03:53] <sintre> i choxe that as well
[03:54] <sintre> so at file table pick ms/dos
[03:54] <sintre> and create that
[03:54] <sintre> then go to new / partition
[03:54] <sintre> and select ext 4 file for whole drive
[03:54] <sintre> and hit apply again
[03:55] <BlackKraken> ok so file table is gparted main right
[03:56] <engineer-pearl> On Ubuntu 16.0.4, I am at the poin where I have a service that exists, but not a service that works. The service is supposed to start up a screen and do some basic tasks. It's current type is set to "idle" because I don't want it running until everything else is set up (it runs git in the beginning, as well as a couple other processes, and I don't know them in-depth enough to know what to...
[03:56] <engineer-pearl> ...give them as dependencies). http://paste.ubuntu.com/23605644/ is the output of service <name> status
[03:56] <sintre> should be under device
[03:56] <sintre> in gparted program
[03:56] <engineer-pearl> Can someone please help the noob (me) figure out what is going on? I'm nnot doing a good job at figuring out what to search for
[03:56] <BlackKraken> got it so partition whole drive as ext3?
[03:56] <BlackKraken> srry 4
[03:57] <sintre> ext4 AFTEr you mad the msdos file table
[03:57] <sintre> yea thats it
[03:58] <BlackKraken> got that part lol and then its clean install? from live usb?
[03:58] <sintre> if your in live cd enciroment and can install from there start , , when it asks to force UEFI say go back or no , not sure the exact live media your using
[03:58] <BlackKraken> or will it be i gotta make root and home and swap
[03:58] <sintre> yes
[03:58] <sintre> no now let the installer do it thing it should only want to use half tgthe drive
[03:58] <sintre> you can resize it later after install
[03:59] <sintre> yes make sure to keep in mind what i mentioned or the installed will install incorrectly
[03:59] <BlackKraken> would it be an idea to run os uninstaller?
[03:59] <sintre> thought you just formatted and redid partition table?
[03:59] <sintre> just reboot from live media like nothing ever happend
[04:00] <BlackKraken> yuppers i got partition made and im running install, im hoping it works
[04:00] <sintre> it will
[04:01] <BlackKraken> your awesome man thanks so much this had me stumped cause there were no disk errors
[04:01] <sintre> took me two weeks of reading , nope guantees though
[04:01] <sintre> but hopefully you have better luck than me
[04:01] <sintre> i was about to send my notebook back actuasally got me so upset
[04:01] <BlackKraken> didnt work for you?
[04:02] <sintre> yep
[04:02] <BlackKraken> did u figure it out?
[04:02] <lipeng> ha
[04:02] <sintre> once i read like 5 hours of articles on this dumb firmare system
[04:02] <lipeng> hai  hai
[04:02] <sintre> hey its xmas needs to be hhohoh
[04:03] <BlackKraken> hahaha FOR SURE, HO HO HO xD
[04:03] <sintre> cmon we gotta get better drunken sanatas going
[04:03] <sintre> hahahherhhoohohoh
[04:03] <lipeng> 你好
[04:04] <sintre> i'm sure thats a chinese insult of sorts there
[04:04] <BlackKraken> hey sintre could i ask ya to shoot me an email by chance bud you seem like a good programmer and sometimes i just have easy questions and hahahaha
[04:04] <darkblue> sure
[04:04] <sintre> year of the horse aint it
[04:04] <BlackKraken> u just called my mother the ugly duckling xD jk
[04:04]  * sintre is no programmer
[04:04] <sintre> i'm just sutbborn
[04:04] <sintre> problem  and i will find solution
[04:05] <BlackKraken> well sometimes its good to be able to bounce things off someone ya know?
[04:05] <sintre> and not email tonight , but you can find me in #kubuntu
[04:05] <BlackKraken> perf
[04:05] <BlackKraken> well ima try this Wiush me luck guyz!!!
[04:05] <sintre> lets get this installed for you tonight then see if i know what i'm talkin bout :)
[04:06] <BlackKraken> exactly:D :D
[04:06] <BlackKraken> and honestly i can kinda see u do, as do i but it still stumps me sometimes
[04:06] <BlackKraken> i make apps and things but thats math mostly not even really rogramming
[04:07] <sintre> not good at math honestly
[04:07] <sintre> use calculator :)
[04:08] <sintre> although would be good to learn to work out sales tax with some mental math
[04:08] <sintre> i'm afraid if i learned i might go back to some stores and do something i regret :)
[04:08] <UniFreak> sintre: why insult?
[04:09] <sintre> what are you talking about uniffreak?
[04:09] <sintre> really now explain this to me
[04:09] <sintre> no in sult to anybody
[04:09] <sintre> was trying to help black
[04:09] <UniFreak> I mean why did you thought 你好 is a chinese insult
[04:10] <BlackKraken> and honeslty im not good at it either and naw no ones insulting anyone accept for me insulting myself for being dumb
[04:10] <BlackKraken> and hahaha
[04:10] <UniFreak> you might have bad expierence with Chinese
[04:10] <sintre> why uniffreak do you want to start a darn fight , it was a joke, if you want to get some real insults if it wasn't a pg channel you can send me a tell
[04:10] <sintre> i don't speak chinese
[04:11] <sintre> no clue what it said
[04:11] <sintre> most here don't
[04:11] <Ben64> please try to keep this channel on topic
[04:12] <BlackKraken> back on subject. :P its going ok so far
[04:12] <sintre> as expected
[04:12] <BlackKraken> true
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss channel, use them wisely
[04:23] <rangemonger> Bubbely: im ready to try again, getting it
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[04:31] <rangemonger> MetalGearSolid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJ1B_2b17s
[04:32] <cfhowlett> rangemonger, no random video posting spam please
[04:32] <rangemonger> :( sorry
[04:37] <xangua> Can I make an OEM install with any of the Ubuntu flavors? Or do I need a different iso?
[04:37] <cfhowlett> yes, any of the buntus can go OEM
[04:37] <cfhowlett> not 100% sure about ubuntu server however.
[04:38] <xangua> cfhowlett: I understand you can install additional software, but how about change a user settings?
[04:39] <cfhowlett> xangua, yes, you can pre-install user accounts.  in a standard install, they would then choose locale and language, but you can do these in OEM install as well.
[04:39] <rangemonger> xangua: yes you can
[04:40] <rangemonger> are you trying to make an installer iso that has your customized os and user account?
[04:41] <ilzolende> my computer has spontaneously stopped letting me use the menu bar at the top
[04:41] <ilzolende> (i'm on ubuntu using the xubuntu ... desktop environment? windowing thing?)
[04:41] <ilzolende> which is a problem because i like to run apps in fullscreen mode, and minimize windows, and use said menu bar to navigate between windows
[04:41] <ilzolende> should i just reboot or is this a problem with a more obvious solution?
[04:41] <ilzolende> it still shows changes in volume or highlights the names of selected windows, it just doesn't do anything when clicked
[04:41] <xangua> rangemonger: not my user account but at least some changes like keyboard shortcuts, Firefox add-ons
[04:42] <rangemonger> xangua: there are 2 good progs for this.... one sec, ill find them
[04:42] <xangua> Thanks
[04:43] <rangemonger> xangua: systemback is one, but i cant figure out how to ditch the user account on that one
[04:43] <rangemonger> you can somehow
[04:44] <engineer-pearl> Is there something weird about how systemd and screen interact?
[04:44] <rangemonger> xangua: refracta, pinguy and remastersys
[04:45] <engineer-pearl> I've gotten to the point where I no longer have an exited process or an error code, but it's deffinately not working
[04:45] <rangemonger> "it's deffinately not working" -systemd words to live by :P
[04:46] <rangemonger> xangua: http://pinguyos.com/2015/09/pinguy-builder-an-app-to-backupremix-buntu/
[04:47] <rangemonger> its based on remastersys
[04:47] <engineer-pearl> ... Okay so what's the advice?
[04:47] <samantha36> amantha36666
[04:47] <rangemonger> engineer-pearl: sorry, i dont know, i was just taking a jab at something that always seems to cause greif
[04:48] <rangemonger> *grief
[04:48] <engineer-pearl> Also what is the helpful log info? there seem to be a lot of places to get it and journalctl -xe will print LOTS fast while service <name> status is currently in denial
[04:49] <rangemonger> xangua: your best bet is to make a virtual machine with a clean ubuntu, snapshot it, and then mess around with it and those tools, until you spit out a good iso
[04:49] <zhengsheng> someone here
[04:49] <uxfi> hi zhongfu
[04:49] <zhengsheng> hello ?
[04:49] <rangemonger> yep
[04:49] <uxfi> zhengsheng; oops
[04:49] <cfhowlett> !cn zhengsheng uxfi
[04:50] <cfhowlett> !cn | zhengsheng uxfi
[04:50] <zhengsheng> you ren ma
[04:51] <engineer-pearl> Oh. :/
[04:51] <rangemonger> does kde neon have a chan?
[04:52] <rangemonger> it does
[04:52] <engineer-pearl> gah who knew getting a process to start when the computer does is so hard?
[04:53] <pavlos> rangemonger, #kde-neon
[04:53] <rangemonger> engineer-pearl: does it have to be when the comp starts or is login ok?
[04:53] <Sean_McG> wouldn't upstart or systemd handle that
[04:53] <Fleebox> How do I open installed GUI apps from the terminal? In OS X I would do 'open -a MyApp'. How is it done in Ubuntu 16?
[04:54] <engineer-pearl> I would prefer when it started up so that it would be able to restore itself from a crash and anyone in the area could fix it by rebooting (like say if there's a power outage)
[04:54] <Sean_McG> Fleebox: doesn't work without an X session
[04:54] <rangemonger> Fleebox: just type the name of the app
[04:54] <Fleebox> Sean_McG I'm not
[04:55] <Sean_McG> but yeah basically just type the name
[04:55] <rangemonger> Fleebox: just type leafpad to launch leafpad
[04:55] <Fleebox> rangemonger Doesn't work. Tried 'Synapse'
[04:55] <rangemonger> tried with no cap?
[04:56] <Fleebox> Something with Firefox
[04:56] <Fleebox> Yes,
[04:56] <Fleebox> *same thing
[04:56] <rangemonger> firefox should work
[04:56] <Fleebox> "command not found: Firefox"
[04:56] <Sean_McG> no caps!
[04:56] <rangemonger> no caps
[04:56] <rangemonger> lol
[04:56] <vfw> Fleebox: No caps
[04:56] <vfw> Fleebox: The tab key is your friend.
[04:56] <rangemonger> i dunno about appletosh but linux is case sensative
[04:56] <cfhowlett> rangemonger, when in doubt, use tab-complete
[04:57] <vfw> Fleebox: firefox
[04:57] <Fleebox> Aha, misspelled the one without the initial capital letter
[04:57] <Fleebox> firefox works.
[04:57] <rangemonger> cfhowlett: indeed, i always do
[04:57] <rangemonger> takes to long to type everything out
[04:58] <Fleebox> How about everything else? Can I fire them up detached from the console, like 'open'? (without using &, nohup and so on)
[04:58] <Sean_McG> tabcomplete is a godsend on a slow link
[04:58] <vfw> Fleebox: fire<tab-key>  /fyi
[04:58] <vfw> Fleebox: etc. etc. etc .
[04:59] <Fleebox> vfw thanks, that I know :)
[04:59] <vfw> Fleebox: Almost no command uses caps.
[04:59] <rangemonger> synapse is its own name oto
[04:59] <rangemonger> *too
[04:59] <Fleebox> vfw Not outside the GUI sphere sure, but all gui apps start with a capital letter
[04:59] <vfw> Fleebox: And they are *all* case sensitive.
[05:00] <rangemonger> Fleebox: the gui enteries area just titles, you could rename them to whatever
[05:00] <rangemonger> Fleebox: like a shortcut in windows
[05:00] <Sean_McG> ls /usr/bin/[A-Z]*
[05:01] <vfw> Fleebox: Those are just display names, it's the command that counts.
[05:01] <Fleebox> All this is a few abstraction layers below what I'm looking for. I'm getting there's a better way to do it then having to translate the name
[05:01] <Sean_McG> hmm, odd, it showed everything
[05:01] <vfw> Fleebox: "translate"?
[05:01] <Fleebox> Map the GUI name to the terminal
[05:02] <rangemonger> not any different than windows
[05:02] <vfw> Fleebox: You are not mapping a GUI name to a terminal, you are simply using a command to start an application.
[05:02] <Fleebox> Yes, that's mapping. The GUI says one name and the terminal using another.
[05:03] <vfw> Fleebox: No it's not.
[05:03] <Fleebox> vfw What would you call the translation beteen names?
[05:04] <rangemonger> there is no translation, its just a shortcut
[05:04] <rangemonger> like making a shortcut on windows
[05:04] <sintre> I win I'll call it linking?
[05:04] <vfw> Fleebox: You can learn a few things if you want.  The choice is yours.
[05:04] <Fleebox> rangemonger What does that have to do with me?
[05:04] <rangemonger> i keep thinking vfw = wfw = windows for workgroups :P
[05:05] <Fleebox> Yeah. Haven't used Windows since 2004.
[05:05] <rangemonger> Fleebox: the things in the gui are just shortcuts or links, just like windows does
[05:05] <rangemonger> even windows 95 did this
[05:05] <Fleebox> rangemonger I dont think anyone claimed anything else
[05:06] <rangemonger> i not sure what youre getting at
[05:06] <rangemonger> pretty much everything states its name in the gui, just use the same name for the command, minus caps
[05:07] <Fleebox> Yeah, again. No one said anything else.
[05:07] <rangemonger> ok, then everythings in order then :D
[05:07] <sintre> seems a smeantics type diagreement :)
[05:08] <Fleebox> I'm still looking for 'open -a' from OS X.
[05:08] <Fleebox> sintre That's the problem
[05:08] <vfw> A quick way to start an app: Alt-F2 and type the name of the command.
[05:08] <Fleebox> My vocabulary isn't the same as yours
[05:08] <rangemonger> Fleebox: there is no open
[05:08] <rangemonger> its not osx
[05:09] <Fleebox> rangemonger No one claimed it would be.
[05:09] <Fleebox> For both statements
[05:09] <rangemonger> man, im lost as to what youre going for here, cant lie
[05:09] <sintre> firebox> yes my sepell checker isn't working tonight sry
[05:09] <sintre> spell haha
[05:09] <Fleebox> rangemonger You're assuming to much. Ask if you dont understand what I mean.
[05:10]  * sintre hits pc to try to make spell check work
[05:11] <Fleebox> vfw Is there a name for it? F2 is a bit to far away so need to remap it
[05:11] <vfw> Alt-F2  (On the keyboard. Hold down Alt and hit F2)
[05:12] <vfw> Fleebox: Oh wait... Are you on a Mac?
[05:12] <Fleebox> vfw Hehe, I know where the keys are as hinted by the 'to far away' :)
[05:12] <vfw> Fleebox: I'm sorry...
[05:12] <Fleebox> vfw No, not this machine.
[05:13] <vfw> Fleebox: Oh ok...
[05:13] <Fleebox> vfw Can rebind it somehow?
[05:14] <vfw> Fleebox: A couple of tools I use a lot to start apps, or to switch between apps:  Alt-F2 and Alt-Tab
[05:15] <Fleebox> Can I rebind/map alt-f2 somehow? Have been looking trough the menus, but can't find anything
[05:16] <vfw> Fleebox: Why?  It's already mapped to Run Program.
[05:16] <Fleebox> vfw Like a said, to far away
[05:16] <vfw> Fleebox: And it is cross-platform.
[05:17] <vfw> Fleebox: Are you not previously a PC user?
[05:17] <Fleebox> No. OS X since 02 and *nix since 04
[05:18] <Fleebox> I guess OS X is included in the *nix family when to think of it
[05:18] <darth> Hi All
[05:18] <Fleebox> Anyhow. Remap, would be nice.
[05:19] <sintre> hi darth
[05:19] <Fleebox> I'll break my fingers having to reach up to the FN row
[05:19] <vfw> Fleebox: Sorry, all this is lost on you.  Between Linux and PC machines, Alt-F2  Alt-Tab  Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v are all universal.
[05:19] <vfw> .. and others...
[05:20] <Fleebox> vfw Haven't used any of them in 12 years as I haven't used a GUI outside OS X in 12 years
[05:20] <vfw> Alt-F2  Alt-Tab  Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v = Run Program, Switch between running windows, Copy and Paste.
[05:20] <Fleebox> Not much to tab in a terminal
[05:20] <Fleebox> Isn't ctrl-c for copying?
[05:20] <Fleebox> Aha, sorry
[05:20] <Fleebox> Missread it
[05:21] <vfw> Fleebox: You mean terminal?  Or console?
[05:21] <vfw> Yes, Ctrl-c is copy, Ctrl-v is paste
[05:21] <Fleebox> Didin't know there was a difference.
[05:22] <vfw> Fleebox: But in a GUI terminal it is:  Shift-Ctl-c and Shift-Clt-v
[05:23] <Fleebox> Hehe, it's like learning how to walk again. Having to stair on my finders to figure out where they are :p
[05:23] <Fleebox> vfw What where they suppose to do? Nothing much is happening
[05:24] <sintre> not meant to be an insult but what one earth are you doing that you need so many keyboard short cuts , instantly
[05:24] <sintre> point and click a lil to slow?
[05:25] <vfw> Fleebox: If you hithlight some text, then you can copy and paste.
[05:25] <Fleebox> sintre I usually dont use a mouse so in my case having to reach for the mouse would be slow:er
[05:25] <Fleebox> It's placed behind the screen (to avoid reaching for it by accident)
[05:26] <Fleebox> vfw I ment ctrl+shift+c
[05:26] <sintre> i can see that , i have a gooffy light button i'm trying to get to work like it does in windows ten it switches from battery charging to hdd activity
[05:26] <sintre> switched from windows ten doesn't come on for hdd
[05:27] <sintre> there is an enimga i surely won't solve
[05:27] <Fleebox> Pro tip; Stop using a mouse :)
[05:34] <cfhowlett> !ping
[05:34] <Fleebox> Aha, the 'alt' key opens application navigation
[05:34] <Fleebox> nice
[05:35] <kk4ewt> the alt or the super
[05:36] <sintre> well innfirefox just give me menues at top :)
[05:36] <sintre> hey had to hit button sinse mentoned
[05:37] <sintre> i'm off to bed 12:37 here  , have fun guys
[05:43] <Metamorphosis> how to find if a cpu supports 64 bit or not? i'm not sure which edition of ubuntu should i download.
[05:43] <fyf> amd64 and i386
[05:43] <rangemonger> Metamorphosis: what cpu is it?
[05:44] <cfhowlett> !64bit | meta
[05:44] <Metamorphosis> Intel Celeron 925 @ 2.30GHz  Penryn 45nm Technology
[05:44] <Metamorphosis> And it has 1 gb ddr2 memory
[05:44] <rangemonger> ill look it up
[05:45] <rangemonger> laptop?
[05:45] <cfhowlett> Metamorphosis, 1GB?  technically, yes ubuntu can run there.  but it will be damn slow.  suggest xubuntu / lubuntu instead
[05:45] <rangemonger> oh yeah, 2nd that
[05:45] <Metamorphosis> yeah its an old laptop, i'm trying to install linux on it and donate it to some kid
[05:46] <Bashing-om> Metamorphosis: ' grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo ' . If you see "lm" in red, it's 64 bits. Otherwise it's 32 bits.
[05:46] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu | Metamorphosis,
[05:46] <rangemonger> according to intel, it does 64bit
[05:46] <Metamorphosis> thanks alot guys.
[05:46] <rangemonger> np
[05:46] <rangemonger> https://ark.intel.com/products/53692/Intel-Celeron-Processor-925-1M-Cache-2_30-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
[05:47] <Metamorphosis> so you guys suggest a 32 or 64 bit version of lubuntu?
[05:48] <cfhowlett> 64bit lubuntu 16.04.1 (Long Term Support)
[05:48] <rangemonger> im guessing a 64 will eat a bit more memory
[05:49] <rangemonger> though that may be more of a windows thing
[06:06] <luis_> HELLO
[06:55] <mym0mdanc> to see a photo from a cleavage competition at a bar in dallas she worked at msg to chat
[06:56] <rangemonger> jee thats not spam....
[07:04] <Mitchel> hi
[07:04] <dnssoul> hello all
[07:04] <ajhlinuxuser3> Hello, I am facing a dilemma where I want to reach my VM's in their subnet from another pc, but they also need to access the Internet.  What is the best way to accomplish this?
[07:05] <rangemonger> hey
[07:05] <rangemonger> bridge them to your rotuer
[07:05] <rangemonger> *router
[07:05] <rangemonger> i find that to be the easiest way
[07:06] <ajhlinuxuser3> If I do that (instead of the default NAT) then they can't access the Internet because the gateway doesn't know that subnet (and can't be programmed to add routes)
[07:07] <solo-dolo-soko> fukerz
[07:08] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: I was thinking that I could create a VPN inside my LAN, but I don't know if there is a better way to accomplish what I need.
[07:09] <rangemonger> you just want the VMs accessable from the outside, and to be able to access the net?
[07:09] <ajhlinuxuser3> yes
[07:09] <rangemonger> bridging basically wires the vm to the router
[07:09] <rangemonger> as if it were a real pc going to the router
[07:09] <rangemonger> easiest way, by far
[07:09] <rangemonger> its what i do
[07:09] <rangemonger> what vm program are you using?
[07:09] <rangemonger> virtualbox?
[07:10] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: lxc
[07:10] <ajhlinuxuser3> It doesn't matter which virtualization I am using, this is a routing problem.
[07:10] <rangemonger> oh ok, im not familiar with almost anything with lxc yet
[07:11] <rangemonger> well, it matters a bit, you can set bridging easily from within vbox
[07:11] <ajhlinuxuser3> say VM#1 has ip 192.168.122.2, and I bridge it to the router.
[07:11] <rangemonger> in vbox you just set the vnic to use bridge mode and thats it
[07:11] <ajhlinuxuser3> Then when it tries to access the internet, the gateway at 192.168.2.1 won't know how to handle the traffic coming from 192.168.122.2
[07:11] <rangemonger> hence my asking if you used it
[07:14] <zhengsheng> zhengsheng
[07:14] <zhengsheng> hello
[07:15] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: The other solution I thought of was to use iptables on the vm host so that it NATs to all addresses except the 192.168.2.0 network.
[07:16] <rangemonger> ajhlinuxuser3: im a bit hit and miss with that stuff so i wouldnt give you a clear answer unless i had time to mess with it myself
[07:16] <rangemonger> but i know that vbox does it super simply
[07:16] <rangemonger> vmware too
[07:16] <zhengsheng> what
[07:16] <zhengsheng> can you speak chinese
[07:17] <rangemonger> i cannot
[07:17] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: and in your example, the vm would basically be talking on the hosts network as if it were one of the hosts... except right now my network IP addresses are all used up!
[07:17] <ajhlinuxuser3> So I have to go with a subnet.
[07:17] <zhengsheng> i am stupid
[07:18] <zhengsheng> sorry
[07:18] <rangemonger> dont be so hard on yourself
[07:19] <ajhlinuxuser3> I think my situation requires a forum post... I was hoping to get a quick answer so I could start researching the method tonight, oh well...
[07:19] <rangemonger> ajhlinuxuser3: i see... youre using the whole 0-254 range?
[07:19] <ajhlinuxuser3> Yes, the whole range is already used up by bridged vms, and I'm going for more vms.
[07:20] <ajhlinuxuser3> *by hardware machines, and also bridged vms
[07:20] <rangemonger> wow
[07:21] <zhengsheng> where are you
[07:21] <ajhlinuxuser3> afk, posting to forum...
[07:21] <zhengsheng> where are you come from
[07:22] <rangemonger> canada
[07:22] <rangemonger> you?
[07:22] <zhengsheng> china
[07:22] <zhengsheng> canada speak english?
[07:23] <rangemonger> english and french
[07:23] <rangemonger> but most of the english speaking people dont know french, like me :)
[07:25] <zhengsheng> I am not good at english
[07:25] <rangemonger> youre not too bad, better than i am at any other language
[07:26] <rangemonger> ajhlinuxuser3: why so many VMs, just 'cause?
[07:26] <zhengsheng> thank you
[07:26] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: I might be a little insane.
[07:26] <rangemonger> ajhlinuxuser3: ah, exploring the results, good reason
[07:27] <ajhlinuxuser3> rangemonger: the basic idea is to learn ways to manager multiple systems easily.
[07:27] <ajhlinuxuser3> I know that I only need 2 systems in theory, but the more, the merrier!
[07:27] <rangemonger> i understand
[07:27] <pnduw> test
[07:28] <ajhlinuxuser3> I also am (quite evidently) getting a lesson in routing.
[07:28] <zhengsheng> Ubuntu and windows
[07:28] <ajhlinuxuser3> Like for example, I found out that my NAT solution prevents the VMs from talking to other subnets.
[07:28] <rangemonger> ajhlinuxuser3: yeah, all good reasons, really
[07:29] <rangemonger> thats one of the things i wanted to mess with too, to understand
[07:29] <rangemonger> but with vmware and vbox first
[07:29] <ajhlinuxuser3> I'll share my post when I'm done, so you can see my plight in greater clarity.
[07:29] <rangemonger> but for now, my current bag is vt-d passthrough
[07:29] <rangemonger> ooh, nice, thanks
[07:32] <zhengsheng> do you play league of legends
[07:34] <zhengsheng> how old are you
[07:34] <rangemonger> me, no
[07:34] <rangemonger> early 30s
[07:34] <zhengsheng> ok
[07:34] <zhengsheng> 这个能发中文吗
[07:34] <zhengsheng> 看得懂不
[07:35] <shelley> hehe
[07:35] <zhengsheng> 厉害了
[07:35] <zhengsheng> 你是哪里人
[07:35] <ducasse> zhengsheng: please stop that
[07:35] <ducasse> !cn | zhengsheng
[07:35] <shelley> China
[07:35] <zhengsheng> sorry
[07:35] <zhengsheng> me too
[07:36] <shelley> 你好
[07:36] <zhengsheng> woshi  zhe jiang de
[07:36] <shelley> wuhan
[07:36] <zhengsheng> 666666
[07:37] <rangemonger> 10 bucks this isnt about ubuntu
[07:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[07:55] <aruns> Folks, I am using certbot, nginx, ubuntu 14.04 website hosted on AWS to set up SSL enabled site, I am getting ssl-handshake error, look at this --> http://dpaste.com/2AW612K kindly suggest solution to fix this problem
[08:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so so quiet in here
[08:03] <cfhowlett> social chit chat is in the other channels.  our ubuntu channel is quiet because (1) sleepytime among the users or (2) ubuntu is working as expected
[08:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> cfhowlett, I meant quit for support issues
[08:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably around at least quarter of people are sleeping, since Ameircans etc
[08:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool  that's a interesting nick
[08:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it can be hot
[08:14] <Welastvil> hi people! good morning and good day for everyone!
[08:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, hi morning
[08:15] <cfhowlett> ubuntu is *global* so ... greetings
[08:16] <Welastvil> just swiched on my computer and when it louded the OS it says: "System problem detected, do you want to report the probme?
[08:16] <cfhowlett> Welastvil, say "yes" ...
[08:16] <Welastvil> how can I find out which problem is it?
[08:16] <cfhowlett> it will be in your logs
[08:16] <Welastvil> oh/// just said no...
[08:16] <Welastvil> in my logs.
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, doesn't matter so much if you reported it or not, but yes  may be in a log file
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the issue
[08:17] <Welastvil> of.
[08:17] <Welastvil> how do I take a look in this log file?
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu's logs
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the OS logs
[08:18]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doesnt' tend to bother with logs, but cfhowlett probably can answer how to find them
[08:18] <cfhowlett> I appreciate the vote of confidence but ... reading through output of dmesg might be incorrect
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !logs
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no not htat
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that
[08:19] <cfhowlett> Welastvil, might be in boot.log
[08:20] <ikevin> use journalctl
[08:20] <cfhowlett> Welastvil, more /var/log/boot.log will give you a page-by-page output
[08:21] <Welastvil> permission denied
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, of course since system files you'll need to sudo
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, terminal.  and then  sudo hmm actsaully I GUESS  gksudo still since gedit
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, gksudo   gedit /var/log/boot.log try that
[08:23] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, Thanks
[08:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, or open it some other way in some text editor
[08:24] <Welastvil> ok
[08:24] <theoceaniscool> Welastvil, The easier way to see at least what has failed is by reading the report that the problem handler prepares
[08:25] <theoceaniscool> Welastvil, At least it tells you which executable thrown the error
[08:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !gksudo
[08:27] <Welastvil> empty folder
[08:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, did you try the command ?
[08:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, when did you get the ystem problem emessage ?
[08:28] <Welastvil> !gksudo?
[08:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !gksudo
[08:29] <Welastvil> I got it when I just started up my os today
[08:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, on a new install, or an os upate or what?
[08:29] <Welastvil> no
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> after what
[08:30] <Welastvil> just starting up...swichng on computer
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> system problem detected
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on say the top right
[08:30] <Welastvil> after os loud
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a little box ?
[08:30] <Welastvil> yeas
[08:30] <rangemonger> hello peeps
[08:30] <theoceaniscool> rangemonger, Hi
[08:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, yes I have had that kind of thing a few times before
[08:30] <Welastvil> so
[08:30] <Welastvil> what does it mean?
[08:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, but it's usaully after doing something to the system, such as installing updats that didn't quite work, or a ppa that made things go wrong
[08:31] <Welastvil> ok
[08:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so what did you do
[08:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> before that?
[08:31] <Welastvil> there is any way to solve it?
[08:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anything?
[08:31] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, Maybe automatic updates?
[08:32] <Welastvil> I don remember
[08:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, Welastvil sometimes even the standard usual updates can break things, but those usaully go ok
[08:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, ok the logs uhmmm right, but I guess can try and do this the other way even
[08:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastvil, re boot the computer, come back here, if or assuming it comes up again, show us what came up, screenshots, or take a mesage off it or something
[08:34] <Welastvil> ok
[08:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, so if he comes back, and the error box is there, you said there should be a way to get info off that?
[08:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess a detials button or something
[08:36] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, You can see the inform that the problem detector prepares to send
[08:36] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, At least you see the executable and the error code
[08:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah been a while since that,  well actsaully if I turn my lap top on and use that
[08:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I'll have something like that
[08:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but that was since something I did before
[08:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, well let's see if he comes back in  the next few minutes or so I guess
[08:37] <WeLastevil2> hi
[08:37] <WeLastevil2> its me
[08:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, in the meain time though.... h eh why do you call yourself that anywa y :d
[08:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh there he is
[08:37] <WeLastevil2>  how do I send you a screeshot?
[08:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WeLastevil2, ok the box is up ?
[08:37] <WeLastevil2> yeah
[08:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !screenshot
[08:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WeLastevil2, you can see the info the error  reporter would send
[08:38] <theoceaniscool> WeLastevil2, Press "Report Problem..."
[08:38] <theoceaniscool> WeLastevil2, Then, "Show Details"
[08:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WeLastevil2, I think  theoceaniscool can guide you now
[08:38] <WeLastevil2> I did it
[08:38] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, After that, maximize all the options, do the screenshot and send it
[08:38] <WeLastevil2>  and : sorry! something went wrong and you could not report this problem
[08:38] <WeLastevil2> something like that
[08:39] <theoceaniscool> WeLastevil2, Ok, then I'm lost
[08:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WeLastevil2, oh no error details ?
[08:39] <WeLastevil2> I could not see any error details
[08:39] <WeLastevil2> let me try it again
[08:40] <rangemonger> anyone using btrfs might want to see this https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg60903.html
[08:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, it's probably nothing for hrem tro worry about as such,,but I supouse a error mesage box is a error message box
[08:42] <amaury1> now I started up again
[08:42] <Welastevil2> hi
[08:42] <Welastevil2> started afain
[08:42] <Welastevil2> no error this time.
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[08:44] <theoceaniscool> Welastevil2, I would say that the ideal reaction is sweeping it under the rug, but it sounds a little unprofessional
[08:44] <Welastevil2> hahaha
[08:44] <Welastevil2> what do you mean by that?
[08:44] <theoceaniscool> Welastevil2, Ignoring it until the next error
[08:44] <Welastevil2> ok
[08:44] <Welastevil2> I'll do it
[08:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, yep probably nothing to worry about as such, but an error message box, is an error message box
[08:44] <Welastevil2> it is already under the rug
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, well you can re install even ::d
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, re install no error box :) or probably not
[08:45] <Welastevil2> reinstall my os?
[08:45] <Welastevil2> no thanks....
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes
[08:45] <knot> i am getting error while sending git send-email command Unable to initialize SMTP properly. Check config and use --smtp-debug. VALUES: server=smtp.gmail.com encryption=tls hello=fedora.localdomain port=587 at /usr/libexec/git-core/git-send-email line 1383
[08:45] <Welastevil2> too much working reinstalling everything again
[08:45] <knot> anybody knows here?
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, have you stuck to only the standard repos
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, the default repos
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, if not that could be the problem
[08:46] <Welastevil2> mmm
[08:46] <Welastevil2> I think so!
[08:46] <Welastevil2> so...how to change the default?
[08:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, not added in software from random websites or ppas ?
[08:46] <Welastevil2> maybe...
[08:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you have?
[08:46] <Welastevil2> sorry...I dont know...
[08:46] <Welastevil2> not random but some ppas
[08:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !repos
[08:46] <Welastevil2> how do I check it?
[08:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, ok ppas, which ppas ?
[08:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, when you have ppa's installed, and you update things,  espeically the whole system
[08:47] <Welastevil2> terminology
[08:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, things can break
[08:47] <Welastevil2> I think
[08:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> resulting in  yes a error message box pssibly
[08:47] <knot> please answer my question
[08:47] <Welastevil2> how do I fix it?
[08:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2,  you can't that easily  basically means the sytem is unclean
[08:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not that stable etc
[08:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if you used bad ppas
[08:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or didn't install them quite right etc
[08:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knot, repate yoru question
[08:48] <knot> i am getting error while sending git send-email command Unable to initialize SMTP properly. Check config and use --smtp-debug. VALUES: server=smtp.gmail.com encryption=tls hello=fedora.localdomain port=587 at /usr/libexec/git-core/git-send-email line 138
[08:49] <knot> s/sending/using
[08:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> getting  that error with what?
[08:49] <knot> yes
[08:49] <knot> oops.
[08:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, what's terminology
[08:49] <theoceaniscool> Welastevil2, Stick this (http://pastebin.com/sPTEVa7D) into a script and execute it, then return with the output
[08:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool,  see error message boxes dont' just happen, he's installed some ppas
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, ppa's generally should be avoided, unless really needing to use them or enough
[08:50] <knot> SebthreeBQM10HD: i am sending patch via mail so gettign error
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knot, no can't help maybe someone else can later
[08:50] <knot> do you use git
[08:50] <knot> ?
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no
[08:50] <knot> ok
[08:51] <theoceaniscool> knot, You have the #git channel, maybe someone can help there
[08:51] <rangemonger> just use timeshift and make a snapshot beforehand
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, what's terminology got a link for the ppa's you installed?
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, in fact ppa's when doing a standard ubuntu version upgrade,  I think just get disabled and not upgraded with it
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but if then your on a later ubuntu where that ppa doesn't quite work
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that can cause problems
[08:53] <rangemonger> best not to just enable them after an upgrade but to make sure you enable them for the right version of ubuntu
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, Welastevil2  may have not upgraded, but yeah, for some reason, they are getting a error message box coming up
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, seems it could be ppa related, but not really sure
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> system error box I mean
[08:54] <rangemonger> whats the error?
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> system error message box
[08:54] <theoceaniscool> rangemonger, We don't know, thats the main problem
[08:55] <Welastevil2> I see
[08:55] <rangemonger> oh that simple error box with 2 options and almost no explaination?
[08:55] <Welastevil2> so... from where do I starte?
[08:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then he coudn't just load up a log file to since whatever
[08:55] <rangemonger> that happens all the time on mine, even on clean installs
[08:55] <rangemonger> i just ignore it
[08:55] <Welastevil2> hahaha
[08:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, screen shot the error box
[08:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then we know which one you got
[08:55] <Welastevil2> I think I'll do the same.
[08:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for a start
[08:55] <rangemonger> ill do it when it comes up
[08:55] <Welastevil2> ok
[08:55] <Welastevil2> I did it
[08:55] <rangemonger> it seems random
[08:56] <rangemonger> i have a vm with every official 'buntu and a host thats a tiny net install of ubuntu, they all do it from time to time
[08:57] <rangemonger> all the VMs are fresh installs, freshly snapshotted and reverted after each use
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> every version of ubuntu, so 4.10 5.04 etc etc ? :d
[08:57] <rangemonger> every current version
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or do you ean like xubuntu lubuntu etc et
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh only teh supported versions
[08:57] <rangemonger> like kubuntu, u gnome, lubuntu, etc, all 16.10
[08:57] <theoceaniscool> rangemonger, That sounds a little wasteful
[08:58] <Welastevil2> Now, finishing my medical university, I'm satarting to think that the relation betwenn kernel/OS and hardware is very similar to the relation of our organisms and minds
[08:58] <rangemonger> ehh, when hdd space becomes a problem, they can all go
[08:58] <Welastevil2> Depression and mania for example are "errors"
[08:59] <rangemonger> have you ever seen a person bsod?
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Welastevil2, random ppas are potential error and your own fault :D
[08:59] <Welastevil2> bsod?
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> blue screen of death
[08:59] <rangemonger> blue screen of death
[08:59] <theoceaniscool> rangemonger, epilepsy?
[08:59] <Ben64> #ubuntu-offtopic guys
[08:59] <Welastevil2> epilepsy yeah
[08:59] <Ben64> leave this channel for support only
[09:00] <Welastevil2> ok. Sorry. Bye
[09:00] <rangemonger> its just a small one off tangent, nothing to worry about
[09:00] <rangemonger> we are trying to solve a problem
[09:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now he's gone
[09:00] <rangemonger> or atleast identify it
[09:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, I  guess he'll i take your advice, ignore the error message, and then well he'll continue  adding ppa's and such I guess to despite what I put about them
[09:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as fpr the medical thing uhmm  saw what he meant a bit, but nah computers are way diffenret
[09:01] <rangemonger> it happens even on my installs without added ppa
[09:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> computers are also stupid untill they are told what to do by people
[09:01] <theoceaniscool> SebthreeBQM10HD, People are also stupid
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, that's true can sometiems get teh error box, when things seem genrealy ok enough otherwise
[09:02] <rangemonger> ill screenshot it when it happens
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> theoceaniscool, maybe so, and so we help destroy the ocean (reated to your nick),  and other things to
[09:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> related above
[09:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, ok
[09:05] <rangemonger> oh yeah, i got xen fully working seb
[09:06] <rangemonger> now if only i could potentially break my system with a ppa for xen 4,8 :P
[09:06] <rangemonger> *4.8
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, to get some error boxes yeah :d or possiblhy
[09:06] <rangemonger> heh
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, or even better terminal error messages :d
[09:07] <rangemonger> i remember when ubuntu once had an official update that broke x
[09:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, I don't remember that
[09:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I remember killall pulseaudio :D
[09:07] <rangemonger> was a long time ago
[09:07] <Ben64> come on, quit with the offtopic chatter here
[09:07] <rangemonger> maybe 10y
[09:08] <rangemonger> lol
[09:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger will you get lonely with hardly any suport issues, but ben64 here,  I am on the verge of leaving here to do  other things etc
[09:09] <Ben64> #ubuntu-offtopic is available
[09:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> only for those logged in though, which is stupid
[09:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t r  o  lls or not
[09:10] <Ben64> then make your own channel, just don't fill this channel with nonsense
[09:10]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has had own irc channels, but they are dead now
[09:31] <nos09_> hi
[09:33] <rangemonger> hi
[09:34] <nos09_> how do i get 10 lines after the word match and not the WORD itself ?
[09:36] <nos09> how do i get 10 lines after the word match and not the WORD itself ?
[09:36] <nos09> how do i get 10 lines after the word match and not the WORD itself ?
[09:37] <theoceaniscool> nos09,
[09:37] <theoceaniscool> nos09, grep -A 10
[09:37] <theoceaniscool> nos09, Next time `man grep`
[09:37] <Bitnova> hi can someone help please? why do i get this error email fstrim: /media/veracrypt: FITRIM ioctl failed: Input/output error
[09:38] <Bitnova> its not a ssd drive so why is it using fstrim?
[09:39] <Ben64> you get the error by email?
[09:40] <kroreri> Has anyone seen my pants? They were last seen at JFK International Airport in New York last night and I miss them already. Please contact baggage claim if you've seen them and tell them to send the pants to Rochester International Airport where JetBlue is looking for them.
[09:40] <Bitnova> by cronjob email Ben64
[09:40] <Ben64> then.... it's probably in a cronjob
[09:40] <Bitnova> yes but why is fstrim set to run on a drive that is NOT ssd ?
[09:40] <Ben64> because it's told to in cron
[09:41] <Ben64> maybe by you who knows
[09:41] <Bitnova> no i never set it. Ben64  but why is it reporting an error
[09:42] <Ben64> you already have all the answers. it's reporting an error because it isn't a ssd
[09:43] <nos09> how do i get 10 lines after the word match and not the WORD itself ?
[09:43] <nos09> with grep ?
[09:43] <Bitnova> Ben64, so ubuntu is set to fstrim on ALL drives regardless if they are ssd's or not??
[09:43] <elias_a> Bitnova: Could it be one of those disks that have both SSD and a spinning disk?
[09:43] <Ben64> nos09: grep -A10 blah file.txt | tail -n10
[09:44] <Ben64> Bitnova: nope
[09:44] <Bitnova> nope elias_a its a nas
[09:45] <nos09> Ben64: thanks ! that works perfectly
[09:52] <Bitnova> Ben64, if fstrim is not set to run on all disks, then why does it run on a normal HDD ?
[09:55] <Ben64> Bitnova: because it's set to in cron... we're going around in circles
[09:56] <Bitnova> Ben64, and im confirming that its a fresh installation of Ubuntu 16.04. I did not set it in cron. are you able to explain that?
[09:56] <Ben64> yet it is set in cron
[10:06] <freddworacek> buy
[10:07] <rangemonger> later skater
[10:21] <ppf_> Bitnova: what filesystem?
[10:25] <Bitnova> ppf_, it says unknown filesystem because it is a veracrypt filesystem
[10:25] <ppf_> can you paste your crypttab somewhere?
[10:26] <Bitnova> ppf_, where do i find that
[10:26] <ppf_> /etc/crypttab
[10:28] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[10:28] <SipriusPT> i am unable to forward mail from local account to external account
[10:29] <SipriusPT> Resuming, with alias_maps, i have the right relay but the wrong sender domain (@remote.domainX.pt), with virtual_alias_maps, it uses a wrong relay (localhost) and the right sender (@domainX.pt), as you can see above.
[10:29] <SipriusPT> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/unable-to-forward-mail-from-external-account-to-external-account-4175595120/
[10:29] <SipriusPT> i have all my logs and configs in this tread
[10:29] <SipriusPT> anyone?
[10:30] <Bitnova> ppf_, its empty right now. do you know why that is?
[10:30] <ppf_> no
[10:31] <ppf_> how do you mount your crypto device?
[10:31] <ppf_> also paste fstab and lvm.conf please
[10:33] <Linuxero_80> Hello everyone
[10:35] <Bitnova> ppf_, with veracrypt
[10:35] <rangemonger> hey hey
[10:35] <ppf_> Bitnova: so, manually, i take it
[10:35] <Bitnova> yes ppf_
[10:36] <Bitnova> but this weekly anacron fstrim on this drive is annoying and i dont know why its been set to fstrim a hdd
[10:38] <ppf_> please run sudo hdparm -I /your/veracrypt/disk | grep -i TRIM
[10:40] <Kingsy> since upgrading from 16.04 -> 16.10 I am getting this error from vagrant / vbox --> http://hastebin.com/oyiyasuvob.vbs <-- has something not been updated during the upgrade?
[10:41] <ikonia> Kingsy: looks like the deifition has been updated and the file now contains refernce to one that no longer exists, so it tries the next best thing
[10:41] <ikonia> you also have /mnt as a read only file system
[10:42] <Bitnova> ppf_, when i run that, it says HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument
[10:44] <Kingsy> ikonia: when you say the definition has been updated. Are you talking about the vbox binary>?
[10:44] <ppf_> Bitnova: /your/veracrypt/disk should refer to a physical drive, not a logical partition on it
[10:45] <ppf_> you can also try to use -i instead
[10:47] <Bitnova> ppf_,  like sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -i TRIM  ?
[10:50] <treaki> Kingsy, hi here
[10:51] <treaki> Kingsy, i think ikonia means with definition in that context some informations that linkes to that iso file but it is missing
[10:52] <treaki> but he or she has also sayed that there is a possiblility that your host file systems is mounted readonly
[10:52] <treaki> i think you should first get sure that everything is running correctly (regarding hard disk failor)
[10:55] <alexis> hello !
[10:56] <rangemonger> greets and stuff
[11:06] <Bitnova> ppf_, the crontab.weekly fstrim says # trim all mounted file systems which support it /sbin/fstrim --all || true, how does this apply to normal hdd's?
[11:06] <Ben64> Bitnova: do you have a ssd
[11:06] <Bitnova> only one which is where the os sits. Ben64
[11:07] <Ben64> so change it to only run on that mountpoint
[11:07] <Bitnova> Ben64, i thought of that. but do you think i should file as bug for the /sbin/fstrim --all || true problem?
[11:07] <Bitnova> a*
[11:07] <Ben64> no
[11:10] <zHax> hi
[11:11] <zHax> hi
[11:12] <sruli> i added a udev rule to disable touchpad when usb mouse is connected, i found this rule on the net, it works fine but only after user login, what do i need to change in it to make it work before login? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23618265/
[11:13] <Bitnova> Ben64, seems like fstrim only detects veracrypt filesystems as ssd's for some odd reason.
[11:20] <rangemonger> nice, kernel 4.9 just plain works
[11:24] <luciano> Hi
[11:41] <ppf_> Bitnova: it applies to all file systems
[11:41] <ppf_> it's their job to figure out if fitrim is applicable to the hardware or not
[11:42] <ppf_> it applies to your vera disk because you've actually mounted the 'unknown' FS
[11:43] <ppf_> do you actually have an ssd in your system
[11:43] <Bitnova> ppf_, yes only one ssd where the OS sits. thats it. the other is a hdd.
[11:45] <Bitnova> so ppf_ then i have to change the command in the fstrim cron.weekly to what exactly? like what mount point? root mount point like this: fstrim / ?  since thats where the ssd sits.
[11:46] <ppf_> so, i see three options: a) live with the recurring error message, b) sort out the mountage of the crypto disk, c) modify the fstrim launch
[11:47] <darkblue> .
[11:54] <Aristide> Hello here :)
[11:55] <Aristide> I have a problem with Steam on ubuntu Xenial - I get this error at launch :
[11:55] <Aristide> Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0)
[11:55] <Aristide> libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so | libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[11:56] <Aristide> Package: steam:i386 Version: 1:1.0.0.48-1ubuntu3
[11:56] <Aristide> I use 64 bits system, with Plasma5, and with a Nvidia Graphic card
[11:56] <ppf_> set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to improve error output
[11:56] <Aristide> I try with « env LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose steam »
[11:56] <Aristide> Hello ppf_ :)
[11:57] <ppf_> hi Aristide
[11:57] <ppf_> then paste the full error output, please
[11:57] <Aristide> Yes my connection is not very well here, I try to pastebin
[11:58] <Aristide> http://pastebin.com/sjSKE7mw ppf_
[11:58] <Aristide> _ZNKSt3_V214error_category10_M_messageB5cxx11Ei, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference)
[11:59] <Aristide> I have try both steam from Ubuntu repo, and steam repo
[11:59] <ppf_> steam comes bundled with a couple of standard library dependencies
[11:59] <ppf_> try and see whether ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 exists
[12:00] <ppf_> (sanitycheck the folders in between please, and see if they match your version)
[12:00] <Aristide> yes
[12:00] <ppf_> okay
[12:00] <Aristide> libstdc++.so.6 and libstdc++.so.6.0.21
[12:00] <ppf_> delete it
[12:00] <Aristide> Done
[12:01] <ppf_> try again?
[12:01] <OerHeks> in 16.10 this bug is fixed, for xenial try to run this from terminal, if this works, adjust the launcher >>  env LD_PRELOAD='/usr/$LIB/libstdc++.so.6' /usr/bin/steam %U
[12:01] <Aristide> No same problem, but with less lines
[12:01] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/a/818065
[12:01] <Aristide> Now I get this http://pastebin.com/6JVL67vP
[12:02] <Aristide> OerHeks: Already tested
[12:02] <hateball> Aristide: are you using nouveau or nvidia driver?
[12:02] <Aristide> hateball: nvidia driver
[12:02] <Aristide> I think
[12:02] <hateball> Aristide: "lspci -k" look for the VGA section
[12:02] <Aristide> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 315M] (rev a2)
[12:03] <hateball> Aristide: what kernel module ?
[12:03] <Aristide> hateball: How check ? Maybe 340 but i'm not sure
[12:03] <hateball> Aristide: with the command I gave you
[12:03] <Aristide> ah yes :')
[12:04] <Aristide>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[12:04] <Aristide>         Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_340
[12:04] <knittel> good afternoon
[12:04] <Aristide> Hell knittel :)
[12:05] <Aristide> Helloù
[12:05] <Aristide> Hello*
[12:05] <knittel> Hello Aristide
[12:05] <knittel> understand np :)
[12:05] <Aristide> :)
[12:08] <hateball> Aristide: if you try launching with "STEAM_RUNTIME=0 steam" what do you get then?
[12:08] <ppf_> Aristide: that's a different error fro mbefore
[12:08] <Aristide> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[12:09] <Aristide> http://pastebin.com/GfBhuKig I get that
[12:10] <TheLawyer> usnig apt, how to list the availble versions of specific package and choose to install specific version?
[12:10] <ppf_> Aristide: what other things did you already try to solve the original issue?
[12:10] <Aristide> ppf_: Try both versions of steam
[12:10] <Aristide> But I don't have tester other with STEAM_RUNTIME=0
[12:11] <Aristide> test*
[12:11] <OerHeks> apt-cache policy <package>
[12:11] <OerHeks> TheLawyer, ^^
[12:11] <knittel> goedemiddag oerheks :)
[12:11] <hateball> Aristide: what does "glxinfo |grep render" show?
[12:12] <OerHeks> hoi knittel
[12:12] <Aristide> Lot of thing hateball http://pastebin.com/zAcEXDht :)
[12:13] <hateball> Aristide: alright, so that means the driver should work properly at least
[12:13] <Aristide> hateball: Yes, I can play with Minecraft without problems
[12:14] <ppf_> Aristide: which version is this now?
[12:15] <Aristide> Version: 1:1.0.0.48-1ubuntu3
[12:15] <Aristide> Actually
[12:15] <Aristide> Section: multiverse/games
[12:16] <TheLawyer> thanks OerHeks ^_^
[12:16] <ppf_> so from the ubuntu repos
[12:16] <Aristide> Yep
[12:16] <Aristide> Wait I try from steam repo
[12:17] <ppf_> no need
[12:17] <Aristide> Ah
[12:21] <ppf_> could be a 32bit issue. try this: sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[12:22] <Aristide> Already try ppf_
[12:22] <Aristide> libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version (11.2.0-1ubuntu2.2).
[12:22] <Aristide> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 is already the newest version (11.2.0-1ubuntu2.2).
[12:25] <mdmck10> hi
[12:26] <mdmck10> hi
[12:26] <mdmck10> hi
[12:26] <mdmck10> hi
[12:26] <mdmck10> hi
[12:26] <mdmck10> hi
[12:28] <rangemonger> no need to keep saying it
[12:41] <Bitnova> ppf_, just a question - is there any risk of fstrim deleting or wiping any data on veracrypt volume when it does the weekly cron?
[12:42] <Ben64> Bitnova: change it to only run on the mount point(s) that are ssd
[12:42] <Hanumaan> what am I doing wrong here: https://dpaste.de/EySO#L1,19,41 javascript file does not load .. when I see it from chrome developer tools
[12:43] <Hanumaan> sorry wrong ..
[12:43] <ppf_> Bitnova: i still think your setup is weird, having mounted the unknown filesystem. so i'm going to answer with a confident "probably not"
[12:43] <ahrix> hello
[12:44] <ahrix> hello everyone
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <rangemonger> yo
[12:44] <ahrix> :V
[12:44] <ahrix> - yo
[12:49] <Bitnova> ppf_, ive tried this with different veracrypt drives on 3 different ubuntu 16.04 systems, they all reported the weekly cron fstrim error
[12:50] <bhikkhusubhuti> hello
[12:50] <Ben64> Bitnova: change it to only run on the mount point(s) that are ssd
[12:52] <bhikkhusubhuti> I have problems with my gnome being able to use a headset (mic and headphones are in one plug).  In windows it works (sorry).
[12:52] <bhikkhusubhuti> I have gnome 16.10
[12:52] <bhikkhusubhuti> I tried hdajackretask and did not have luck.
[12:57] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[12:57] <Sir_Andrei> Ppl
[12:57] <Sir_Andrei> I need somebody to see content of packages incoming to my network, in real time.
[12:57] <Sir_Andrei> In localhost
[12:57] <bhikkhusubhuti> anyone want to help me.  I want to replace my internal mic with external mic
[12:58] <Sir_Andrei> What's a nice tool for this?
[12:58] <rangemonger> bhikkhusubhuti: what sound card(s) in your machine?
[12:59] <rangemonger> you might need pavucontrol
[12:59] <gamester> I moved my hdd into a new, secureboot enabled computer. Now it refuses to boot, just loads up the bios. Im on Ubuntu 16.10. Could this be secureboot related? (Windows works)
[12:59] <rangemonger> the gnome ones missing the ability to change to some cards
[12:59] <bhikkhusubhuti> when I plug in a headset it is supposed to mute the internal mic and have external work.  I watched a video on this which says how to use hdajackretask, but it did not work.  I could update the bios but I doubt that will work.
[13:00] <bhikkhusubhuti> cool
[13:00] <rangemonger> bhikkhusubhuti: linux doesnt do that automatically, afaik
[13:00] <rangemonger> you need to set it manually
[13:00] <bhikkhusubhuti> rangemonger:   I was talking to you last night under vivekananda (his computer)  Never got the final product to work.. now I am on my computer..
[13:00] <rangemonger> and the gnome sound control panel is... lacking
[13:01] <bhikkhusubhuti> I think it is realtek  how to know in term
[13:01] <rangemonger> ooh hey
[13:01] <bhikkhusubhuti> lspci or something
[13:01] <rangemonger> yeah
[13:01] <rangemonger> that will show you all pci devices
[13:01] <bhikkhusubhuti> rangemonger: I finally figured out how to reg to get into this group on my computer
[13:01] <rangemonger> ill see what my rt audio is called
[13:01] <bhikkhusubhuti> ok trying now
[13:02] <bhikkhusubhuti> is this it?   Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 21)
[13:02] <bhikkhusubhuti> it is realtek though
[13:03] <rangemonger> yep
[13:03] <rangemonger> mine similar
[13:03] <rangemonger> *mines
[13:03] <bhikkhusubhuti> it is intel
[13:03] <rangemonger> yeah, its like that on mine too
[13:03] <rangemonger> its rt but it shows as intel
[13:03] <rangemonger> i had the same prob actually
[13:03] <bhikkhusubhuti> I have walmart special.. $250 32gb ssd and 8gb ram
[13:03] <bhikkhusubhuti> dual boot used for balabolka and some other things
[13:04] <rangemonger> i needed pavu control to get it to output to the right jack
[13:04] <bhikkhusubhuti> pavu?
[13:04] <rangemonger> sudo apt install pavucontrol
[13:04] <bhikkhusubhuti> shall I install
[13:04] <rangemonger> its another audio control panel, has more settings than the gnome one
[13:05] <rangemonger> basically ubuntu might be defaulting to the wrong slot
[13:05] <rangemonger> like the optical one or spdif or hdmi
[13:05] <bhikkhusubhuti> ok.  I have pulse installed I know how to stop it.. it is stopped now and I can start it .. if I do not start it, sound does not work
[13:05] <bhikkhusubhuti> yes.. I remember that one from before
[13:05] <rangemonger> good old pulse, always causing problems
[13:06] <bhikkhusubhuti> what did not work.. I thin k it was kazam.. I needed it ..
[13:06] <bhikkhusubhuti> I start manually and killed the autorestart
[13:06] <bhikkhusubhuti> it is started but I think it still will not make my mic work
[13:07] <rangemonger> damn, got disconnected
[13:07] <rangemonger> i probably missed some of your last messages
[13:08] <quup> Hi, any stable chromium channel that is more up to date than default repos?
[13:09] <rangemonger> i dont see any past 2014 or so
[13:17] <gamester> After moving ny HDD (which contains my Ubuntu 16.10) to a new computer, it wont boot up and gives me no errors to go on. It simply displays a black screen and then the bios menu. Anyone know what is wrong?
[13:18] <bhikkhusubhuti> That did not work (pavucontrol
[13:18] <bhikkhusubhuti> rangemonger left.. does anyone else have any other Ideas?
[13:18] <bhikkhusubhuti> I think it is a hardware problem
[13:18] <bhikkhusubhuti> kernal problem
[13:19] <bhikkhusubhuti> Perhaps it is pulse audio.  How do I make alsa work without pulseaudio
[13:19] <bhikkhusubhuti> if I do not have pulse running then I get no sound at all.. this is different from other versions  (what I remember .. maybe it was mate)  I am on gnome 16.10
[13:21] <hateball> gamester: was that the only HDD in the machine? and does the new machine only have 1 ?
[13:21] <hateball> gamester: if you hold left shift, can you get to grub menu?
[13:22] <Southern_Gentlem> bhikkhusubhuti,  what was the issue
[13:22] <gamester> hateball: if i have my windows ssd connected as well, it always boots into it no matter what
[13:22] <gregl> gamester: Perhaps old computer used a different bootup procudure.. UFI versus GTP.. Just a guess...
[13:24] <bhikkhusubhuti> I cannot get a headset to work with my computer.  I want to eventually use a headphone / mic splitter and use an external mic
[13:24] <bhikkhusubhuti> my internal mic has static
[13:24] <gamester> The older machine had an ssd and the hdd, i moved both over
[13:25] <bhikkhusubhuti> Southern_Gentlem, sorry forgot to prefix your name
[13:25] <gamester> hateball: I can not get into grub menu
[13:25] <gamester> gregl: ill research this, thanks
[13:26] <hateball> gamester: what gregl says seems likely. should be able to liveboot and reinstall the bootloader in EFI mode tho
[13:26] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, I had a windows booting problem.. I cannot remember what I did..
[13:27] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, I remember.. you need to add the uefi file in the secure boot.  You must be in uefi.  Legacy boot will solve your problems .. but you will need to reinstall both windows and linux
[13:28] <gregl> gamester, I find it odd that windows will boot on new hardware,without reinstalling...
[13:28] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, try adding secure boot.  to do this add a pwd to your bios (TYPE VERY SLOWLY).. then see if you can add the uefi
[13:28] <gamester> gregl: it auto detected the new hardware and ran some setup procedure
[13:28] <gamester> On first boot
[13:29] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, after you add.. then you must turn off secure boot by clearing the password. Type your old pwd and then set the new pwd as <NOTHING>  that means type nothing and hit enter twice
[13:29] <gregl> gamester, strange
[13:29] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, then you will see something like 1 yes or 0 yes as a boot order
[13:30] <bhikkhusubhuti> gamester, put that in .. and you will be set to go
[13:30] <bhikkhusubhuti> ok.. I built some karma.. who going to help me
[13:30] <bhikkhusubhuti> Southern_Gentlem, are you game to help
[13:33] <bhikkhusubhuti> how do I get rid of this white backgound screen in hex chat.. so much hurts my eye
[13:33] <gamester> From one problem to the next, the mouse pointer is frozen in the corner on my liveusb despite being able to move the mouse around -_-
[13:33] <gamester> the graphic for it
[13:36] <bhikkhusubhuti> ok.. looks like the ok cancel button are hidden .. got it
[13:36] <bhikkhusubhuti> ok.. no help on my headphone problem?
[13:39] <Guest19966> rehal
[13:39] <GrandPa-G> I have a system cron job that runs a simple script to do a logrotate. It fails with a message "/home/caplink/backup.sh: 6: /home/caplink/backup.sh: logrotate: not found
[13:39] <GrandPa-G> "
[13:40] <GrandPa-G> If I run the script from the user without sudo, it runs fine. Any ideas why the cron fails?
[13:40] <Guest19966> no
[13:41] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, instead of logrotate, put /usr/sbin/logrotate
[13:42] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, If you are interested, the problem is that cron does not create the environment, so the variable PATH is not defined (or does not hae the correct value)
[13:43] <GrandPa-G> I am trying it now. I seem to remember this issue in the far past.
[13:45] <gamester> Is Boot-Repair still a thing?
[13:47] <GrandPa-G> theoceaniscool: worked, thanks, now I have to fix file permissions with root vs user
[13:52] <FManTX> hi
[13:53] <GrandPa-G> theoceaniscool: I am getting error Ignoring backup.conf because the file owner is wrong (should be root).
[13:53] <GrandPa-G>  Do I need the conf file to be owned by root?
[13:54] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, Looks like it
[13:54] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, Try chown root:root <file>
[13:55] <GrandPa-G> theoceaniscool: trying it now. Seems strange to do this.
[13:55] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, It is
[13:55] <theoceaniscool> GrandPa-G, Maybe the file was created the first time with wrong permissions
[13:57] <davesidious> Hey folks!  My Ubuntu PC receives its IP information via DHCP.  How can I get it to configure the local dnsmasq to use the DNS server contained within the DHCP information?
[13:59] <GrandPa-G> theoceaniscool: that worked.
[14:00] <sruli> i added a udev rule to disable touchpad when usb mouse is connected, i found this rule on the net, it works fine but only after user login, what do i need to change in it to make it work before login(run at boot)? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23618265/
[14:00] <BeachBall> what is currently the best way to manage a ubuntu server from the web?  similar to cpanel but open source?
[14:01] <BeachBall> i used zpanel, but broke it real good when i upgraded to 16.04
[14:04] <Aprat> hi
[14:04] <Aprat> i have problem running Ubuntu in virtual box
[14:06] <jpd> Aprat: can you be more specific ? I run it all the time in VB
[14:11] <bitten> agn - usb mouse dead
[14:11] <Southern_Gentlem> stop feeding it dcon
[14:13] <subho99> Guys this is not exactly ubuntu related but do you know how to direct more bandwidth to the wifi hotspot that I have created.
[14:13] <Pici> subho99: try ##hardware or ##networking
[14:14] <vfw> subho99: We would need to know how you created the hotspot.
[14:14] <gamester> gregl, hateball: the disk uses GPT.
[14:15] <vfw> subho99: If you followed online instructions, show us.
[14:15] <subho99> vfw: Using a wifi adapter
[14:15] <subho99> The speed is about 800 KBps in my PC
[14:16] <vfw> subho99: And what does one of the hotspot clients get?
[14:16] <subho99> But while connected to the network on my Android, the speed hardly reaches 100 KBps.
[14:16] <vfw> subho99: Not sure there's much we can do about that.
[14:17] <subho99> vfw: But in Windows, I get at least 600 KBps
[14:17] <vfw> subho99: For one thing, we do not know why it only gets 100 KBps
[14:18] <vfw> subho99: As is with most any ISP, speeds fluctuate.
[14:18] <vfw> subho99: As with any WiFi connection, speeds fluctuate.
[14:19] <subho99> vfw: Maybe...but still such difference shouldn't be there.
[14:19] <subho99> I guess I have to do the heavy downloading in my PC
[14:21] <vfw> subho99: You dont have a wireless router? (Would be better/easier.)
[14:22] <vfw> https://www.google.com/search?q=buffalo+wireless+router&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[14:22] <yocs0000> how do i install adobe acrobat on 16.10 64 bit?
[14:23] <aruns> I a setting SSL enabled website hosted on AWS, using nginx, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and certbot ; I am getting ssl handshake error, ssl test states testing TLS1.0"Assessment failed: No secure protocols supported" my /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default file --> https://p.ngx.cc/ce448901f382b60f  and nginx.conf file --> https://p.ngx.cc/b564eb7500d3cee1 ; Kindly suggest solution to fix this error, its a nginx config related problem i guess, openssl -state -debug flag
[14:23] <aruns> , see this output >> http://dpaste.com/1MVZN2A
[14:23] <subho99> vfw: Nah, my withering PC doesn't have a internal Wireless Card.
[14:23] <subho99> I'll buy a new PC rather.
[14:26] <vfw> subho99: Don't need one.
[14:27] <vfw> subho99: Most wireless routers have ethernet connections as well.
[14:27] <vfw> yocs0000: Any chance you'd be interested in another document reader?
[14:27] <vfw> !info evince | yocs0000
[14:28] <subho99> vfw: Yeah, but when I plug in my Ethernet cable into the router, my PC can't connect to the internet
[14:28] <rangemonger> acrobat is an insecure bloatfest
[14:31] <vfw> yocs0000: http://tutorialforlinux.com/2016/10/04/how-to-install-adobe-reader-on-ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-linux/
[14:31] <subho99> vfw: You might remember me as I had the problem of installing the USB Wifi Adapter driver on Ubuntu
[14:31] <subho99> It was a Railink chipset
[14:32] <yocs0000> vfw: there is a form I do not seem to be able to fill with any other reader ....
[14:32] <vfw> yocs0000: Ok.
[14:33] <yocs0000> vfw: thank you!
[14:33] <vfw> NP
[14:39] <losacii> hello
[14:39] <losacii> Donno how to use Xchat, Who can help me?>
[14:43] <tim-jones-001> On ubuntu server 16.04 and want to enlarge LVM group holding root filesystm ewhen underlying disk /dev/sda has been enlarged on VM to 20gb and have 8gb sda2 extended and 8gb sda5 linux LVM partition 'within' then sda2 partition (sda2 starts at 1001470 and finishes at 16775167 and sda5 starts at 1001472 and also ends at 16775167). If I delete sda2 partition to recreate to expand to accommodate all extra diskspace on /dev/sda disk, what
[14:43] <tim-jones-001> should I then do about the sda5 Linux LVM partition, which is sitting on top of the sda2 partition?  Will fdisk allow me to create a LVM starting at the same point within the extended sda2 partition? or would I have to use another tool to recreate the sda5 LVM partition?
[14:44] <vfw> losacii: http://xchat.org/docs/start/
[14:44] <unGuru_> Helo
[14:44] <losacii> HI! :)
[14:44] <losacii> unGuru, hi.
[14:45] <unGuru_> Does anyone know how to generate free ssl certificate?
[14:45] <sruli> unGuru_ have a look at letsencrypt.org
[14:46] <vfw> tim-jones-001:  sda2 is the extended partition which contains sda5
[14:46] <vfw> tim-jones-001: You should consider gparted
[14:46] <tim-jones-001> vfw - yes sda2 is the extended partition containing sda5 the LVM partition
[14:46] <tim-jones-001> I am on server so no GUI
[14:47] <tim-jones-001> (gparted would seem to be much easier, but not an option on server)
[14:47] <unGuru_> sruli: I will
[14:48] <vfw> tim-jones-001: If you delete sda2, you will also delete sda5
[14:48] <vfw> tim-jones-001: Not totally sure exactly what your end goal is.
[14:49] <vfw> tim-jones-001: Also not sure you can do what you need to do on-the-fly.
[14:49] <tim-jones-001> Yes - have done that already and seen that that would happen (but did not write to disk) - hence my question.  Assume that you would have to delete the extended partition in order to expand the partition
[14:49] <JohnDoe2> Hi, silly question: does anyone know if http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ is the package that provides afpfsd ? I have a serious memory leak issue I'd like to report. https://s30.postimg.org/8kybpaiu9/memleak.png
[14:49] <darkblue> i found my browser in ubuntu have bugs
[14:50] <darkblue> both firefox and chromium
[14:50] <vfw> tim-jones-001: Please re-state your question.
[14:50] <unGuru_> darkblue: which browser? :)
[14:51] <darkblue> firefox
[14:52] <tim-jones-001> vfw - someone created a vm with a too small root filesystem.  The person who administers the VMWare ESX server then resized the (virtual) disk on which the root filesystem partitions exist.  I wish to bring the extra disk space on the disk into the partition hosting the root filesystem LVM group, so that the server can have enough diskspace on its root partition
[14:52] <darkblue> when i try to visit some a website,it redirect to another
[14:53] <Pici> JohnDoe2: From what I can see here, it looks like its aprt of the afpfs-ng source package, which lives here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/afpfs-ng/ also consider filing a bug on launchpad, considering that the last update that afpfs-ng has is in 2013
[14:53] <darkblue> so embarrassed...
[14:53] <tim-jones-001> Googled all over, but no examples extending LVM partition on extended partition
[14:53] <JohnDoe2> Pici oh I see, ok. Thank you so much!
[14:54] <vfw> tim-jones-001: I'd need to see what you have now.
[14:54] <vfw> tim-jones-001: sudo fdisk -l | & nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> vfw: Disk /dev/sda: 20 GiB, 21474836480 bytes, 41943040 sectors
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> Disklabel type: dos
[14:54] <tim-jones-001> Disk identifier: 0xca2727b6
[14:55] <vfw> tim-jones-001: I had a similar problem once, and here is what I did. *BUT* I was not using LVM and was not using VM. But may still work for you.  It's totally different.
[14:57] <vfw> I had 50G / partition, so I resized the largest partition, (which was at the end of the drive), and created an 80G partition for /var/ and moved /old-var/ to it.
[14:59] <mitchel> hello
[15:00] <vfw> I know that LVM is for changing partitions on-the-fly, but I just never used it.  Maybe someone else will give you advise.  But if you have enough disk space, making another partition for /var/ is a viable work-around option.
[15:01] <tim-jones-001> vfw - thanks for suggestion. LVM is supposed to make this sort of thing much easier, but actually it seems to make it much more complicated :-(
[15:02] <vfw> tim-jones-001: Yea, I konw.  I think that's pretty much why I've never really wanted to use it. I use gpartedLive
[15:02] <vfw> http://gparted.org/livecd.php  #Because LVM is too hard for me ;)
[15:03] <tim-jones-001> vfw: Would have been better if the ESX administrator could have created me another logical disk drive and I could have then just added that to the LV group - job done! Just trying to see if there is anything that can be done to get where I need to get from where I am now
[15:03] <vfw> tim-jones-001: I'm not saying what you are trying to do can't be done, just sharing my experience, (and keeping the conversation alive in hopes that someone will offer advice for you as well).
[15:05] <humping> i hump things!
[15:05] <Headle55> hi
[15:05] <humping> hi
[15:05] <tim-jones-001> vfw: really appreciate your trying to help.  Been googling and messing around for hours to no avail.  Perhaps it is time just to give up and build the server again from scratch ;-(
[15:05] <humping> i <3 humping vaginas
[15:05] <vfw> tim-jones-001: One thing I'm sure of, if you delete sda2, you'll loose sda5 (and all data on it).  So if you have a backup, maybe you can do it, but I dono.... would not advise it.
[15:06] <Headle55> Hello, I am having some trouble on Ubuntu. Can anyone help me out please?
[15:06] <vfw> tim-jones-001: I don't know for sure.  I have little experience with VM and less with LVM
[15:06] <vfw> Headle55: Yes
[15:06] <sruli> Headle55: please explain your issue as specifically as possible, if someone can they will try to help
[15:07]  * humping humps someone
[15:07] <tim-jones-001> vfw - thanks for your help - I have a backup, so I try deleting and recreating sda5 LVM partition and see if I can extend that without first doing the same to the extended partition which hosts it, but that seem illogical and therefore don't expect it to work
[15:08]  * humping humps denaras 
[15:08]  * humping humps fenre 
[15:08]  * humping humps Lildirt and max12345 
[15:08] <max12345> hey what is "/usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate" and how do I stop it from eating my computing resources whole?
[15:09] <Pici> humping: stop
[15:09] <humping> Pici: stop
[15:09] <teward> max12345: updatedb.mlocate is a process that refreshes the `mlocate` command's locations cache, so `locate SOMETHING` will return something.
[15:09]  * humping humps teward 
[15:09] <teward> max12345: if it's eating your resources, you can uninstall the `mlocate` command.
[15:09] <teward> Pici: can I borrow the ban hammer?
[15:09] <teward> ;P
[15:09] <vfw> tim-jones-001: If you are interested, here is what I ended up with after creating new /var/ partition. http://termbin.com/of3e  and http://termbin.com/eh2d
[15:10] <teward> thanks Pici
[15:10] <Pici> np
[15:10] <tim-jones-001> vfw: thanks will look :-)
[15:10] <max12345> teward: thank you :)
[15:11] <teward> max12345: mlocate *does* index your system, that's probably where the resource usage is coming into play if you have a lot of stuff
[15:11] <Headle55> Thank you. I am new to this whole Linux OS so expect noob questions from me. I am using Codelite IDE on my Ubuntu 16.10 machine for running c++ applications. One of my recent applications opens a file and reads the data from it. But when I try to run the program through Codelite it won't open the file. When I use the terminal g++ command the progra
[15:11] <Headle55> m runs fine.
[15:11] <teward> max12345: *normally* it doesn't take a ton of resources from what I've observed, but I've just started using `find` and such to search my system for files :P
[15:11] <tim-jones-001> vfw: I have no free space on the disk, as the ESX admin allocated it all to the sda disk on which the root filesystem is sitting on the LV, so what you did is not an option unfortunately
[15:11] <Headle55> Most of this problems on Windows happens when the application doesn't have administrative permissions. Is there anything like that on Linux too??
[15:12] <vfw> tim-jones-001: ok
[15:13] <vfw> Headle55: Yes
[15:13] <vfw> Headle55: But I've not used Codelite, so don't know about your particular situation.
[15:14] <Headle55> Okay. But can you please tell me how one gives me administrative rights to a program on Linux?
[15:14] <monery> Headle55: linux file permissions are grouped into the owner of the file, the group that has access to the file, and finally everyone
[15:14] <vfw> Headle55: sudo
[15:15] <max12345> teward: it doesn't freeze or anything but it slows down and makes noise, so I was wondering what was going on. The man page says it's done daily as a cron job, which makes some kind of sense I suppose..
[15:15] <monery> Headle55: u can do sudo /path/to/file for CLI
[15:15] <vfw> Headle55: but be careful with it.  Not at all sure it's what you need.
[15:15] <monery> Headle55: or gksu /path/to/file if its gui
[15:15] <monery> just throwing sudo/gksu at a program to make it run is not the same as fixing it
[15:16] <vfw> Headle55: monery has boiled it down for you.
[15:16] <monery> do you know file permissions in unix/linux?
[15:16] <Headle55> Not at all @monery
[15:16] <monery> sudo /home/awesomeop/./troubleprogram idea should be used to see if its a permission issue
[15:17] <BeautifulBash> how do I make chromium launch with a paremeter from its launch command by default?
[15:17] <monery> Headle55: file permissions are as follow, read/write/execucute
[15:17] <BeautifulBash> I want it in my favourites (gnome) but need a parameter for it to work properly
[15:17] <vfw> Headle55: http://linuxcommand.org/lts0070.php
[15:18] <Headle55> @vfw thank you!
[15:18] <monery> there are many ways to set it, but I like to use numbers..... so I can do if I own the file "chown 777 file" add the values togethe to get the proper file permission.... 4=read 2=write 1=exec...
[15:18] <vfw> Headle55: And "chmod +x" will add the executible bit.  "chmod -x" removes it.
[15:19] <monery> vfw: I like the octlet way myself... instead of subtracting or adding, your just setting the value
[15:19] <vfw> Headle55: chmod +x /path/to/file
[15:19] <vfw> monery: ..just a simple way...
[15:21] <mikeymop> i find octets easier as well
[15:33] <baldpope> has anyone used apt-cacher-ng with acngfs?
[15:33] <baldpope> was looking for an example specific with the acngfs - but so far havne't found one
[15:36] <brian_> hi
[15:38] <Capprentice> Hi! Im trying to run Squid with Tproxy support. All works except clients when sees "my ip" wrong Public IP is shown to them? What could be the cause? The Ubuntu 16.10 kernel by default Supports TPROXY.
[15:40] <Capprentice> Anyone?
[15:42] <ikonia> Capprentice: the IP will always be the public IP of the proxy
[15:43] <Mibix> can ubuntu do raid 1 ntfs arrays?
[15:43] <Mibix> like software raid
[15:44] <nicomachus> how do I start lightdm after systemd?
[15:44] <ikonia> Mibix: it will do meta device software raid
[15:44] <ikonia> Mibix: you can put whatever file system you want on it - however ntfs would be a poor choice as only ubuntu would be able to use the meta devices, so there would be no benifit to use ntfs
[15:44] <ikonia> Mibix: it will support some fakeraid devices, but I'd personally advise against it
[15:45] <ikonia> nicomachus: lightdm will always start after systemd
[15:45] <Guest6645> dan +R
[15:45] <ikonia> nicomachus: as systemd is what starts lightdm
[15:45] <nicomachus> I used to use "sudo start lightdm", but that's the upstart way isn't it?
[15:45] <ikonia> nicomachus: what exactly are you trying to do ?
[15:45] <Mibix> well i guess i could format one of the drives to ext4, copy all 6tb over from ntfs and then switch the ntfs to ext4 and mirror them?
[15:45] <Mibix> would that be the best way
[15:45] <nicomachus> ikonia: I installed mate one day last week and now it starts up with whatever DM Mate uses
[15:46] <ikonia> Mibix: what are you trying to do
[15:46] <ikonia> Mibix: a bit of context would be helpful
[15:46] <nicomachus> even though I removed (I think) all the mate packages, I just want to make sure I reset lightDM as the default
[15:46] <Mibix> migrate to ubuntu
[15:46] <Mibix> but i want this drive in raid 1 for redundancy
[15:46] <ikonia> nicomachus: ubuntu mate uses lightdm as a greeter too
[15:47] <ikonia> Mibix: ok - so why would you not make the raid array a linux native file system (apologies if I'm missing the context)
[15:47] <Mibix> well i already have it on ntfs
[15:47] <Mibix> so i could i suppose just would take a bit onger
[15:47] <ikonia> Mibix: ok - how/what is the raid controller on that
[15:47] <white> Can Ubuntu automatically respond to startup settings automatically? !!!
[15:47] <ikonia> white: what do you mean, respond ?
[15:47] <Mibix> there isnt a raid controller, i wanted to do software raid
[15:48] <ikonia> Mibix: wanted ? you just said it's already on it
[15:48] <ikonia> or again am I missing something
[15:48] <Mibix> no there is no raid 1 right now
[15:48] <ikonia> ahhh it's on an ntfs disk, not an ntfs raid disk
[15:48] <ikonia> ok
[15:48] <ikonia> Mibix: I assume you have a spare disk ?
[15:48] <Mibix> ya
[15:49] <Mibix> i have two 6tb disk one is full
[15:49] <Capprentice> ikonia: TPROXY, fully transparent. It should spoof the IP.
[15:49] <ikonia> Capprentice: no, it should not spoof
[15:49] <white> Does anyone know how?
[15:49] <ikonia> Capprentice: it should act as a transparant proxy, that is different than masquarade
[15:49] <genii> nicomachus: apt-get install --reinstall unity-greeter
[15:49] <ikonia> white: how what
[15:49] <ikonia> Mibix: perfect, ok my suggestion is.....
[15:49] <Capprentice> ikonia: Well Im not masquerading.
[15:50] <ikonia> Capprentice: because thats not what a transparant proxy does
[15:50] <ikonia> Mibix: build a raid1 array, but mark one disk as "failed" when you build it, so it will build a mirror with 1 disk (and a missing/failed disk)
[15:50] <Mibix> do i do this in gparted?
[15:51] <ikonia> Mibix: put a linux file system on it and copy the data across to it, when you are happy it's done and working, hot add the old disk (ntfs) to the array and it will automatically sync the disk data to the second disk as it will be the "mirror"
[15:51] <Capprentice> Im trying to run a fully transparent proxy.
[15:51] <white> ikonia:Can you help me with ubuntu?
[15:51] <ikonia> white: yes, if you ask a quetion, I can try
[15:51] <ikonia> Capprentice: what is the IP range of the client ?
[15:52] <ikonia> Mibix: I'm not sure in gparted, you may need to use mdam to create the iniital array with the failed disk
[15:52] <ikonia> mdadm sorry
[15:52] <Mibix> hmm
[15:52] <white> ikonia:Can any program downloaded from the internet for ubuntu adapt?
[15:52] <Capprentice> ikonia: Client(s), xx.xx.xx.0/222
[15:52] <ikonia> Mibix: if you need help, just ask but it's not that hard
[15:52] <Capprentice> ikonia: Client(s), xx.xx.xx.0/22
[15:52] <ikonia> Capprentice: what's the ip range a public or private
[15:53] <OerHeks> white, 'any'??
[15:53] <ikonia> Mibix: back in a few minutes if you need help
[15:53] <Capprentice> ikonia: Public. xx.xx.xx.xx/30
[15:53] <ducasse> white: adapt?
[15:53] <OerHeks> white, use software center please, don't download programs blindly from the internet without research
[15:53] <ikonia> Capprentice: how are you setting the proxy parameter, I assume you're using it as a http proxy ?
[15:54] <white> ikonia:For example I downloaded notepad ++ and I could not do the installation anyhow
[15:54] <iMasturbate> white: White power!
[15:54] <Mibix> ikonia im not doing it till i get my other drives back up
[15:54] <ikonia> Mibix: every wise
[15:54] <OerHeks> white,you notice that ikonia is helping others ..
[15:54] <ikonia> Mibix: get your backup completed, come back ant help
[15:54] <iMasturbate> sorry
[15:54] <ikonia> white: note++ is not a linux program
[15:54] <ikonia> iMasturbate: please change your nickname
[15:54] <iMasturbate> sorry
[15:54] <iMasturbate> BRB when I think of new nick
[15:55] <Capprentice> ikonia: http_port 3129 tproxy
[15:55] <Mibix> lmao
[15:55] <ikonia> Capprentice: not going to work like that
[15:55] <Mibix> that identd too
[15:55] <ikonia> Capprentice: you need to stop the x-forward parameter
[15:55] <ikonia> (if you want to do it like that)
[15:55] <OerHeks> white,  check out https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/
[15:55] <white> ikonia:Well thanks for your help I understand now
[15:55] <Capprentice> ikonia: HTTP traffic is routed through a Router to the Squid Box
[15:55] <ikonia> Capprentice: that doesn't matter,
[15:56] <baldpope> not sure I've every seen anyone ask someone else to change their nick, and I'm certain, I've never seen anyone comply with such a request...
[15:56] <Capprentice> ikonia: How to block x-cache: hit/miss msgs shown in the Header?
[15:56] <ikonia> hit/miss ? that's squid logs
[15:56] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with what's being sent out
[15:56] <Capprentice> ikonia: Hmm... nope.
[15:56] <white> 0erHeks: thaknk you
[15:57] <ikonia> hit and miss are squid log events
[15:58] <Capprentice> ikonia: Try capturing the headers with something like "Live Headers addon in Firefox". You will see whether squid is caching something or missed.
[15:58] <ikonia> caching ???
[15:58] <ikonia> you didn't say you where caching
[15:58] <Capprentice> ikonia: To make things untracable to the end user, these msgs should be hidden.
[15:58] <ikonia> you said transparant proxy
[15:58] <Capprentice> ikonia: yes, Im.
[15:58] <ikonia> you need x-forward disabled
[15:58] <ikonia> it's that simple
[16:01] <rizonz> is apache2 on 15.10 a biatch ?
[16:01] <ikonia> rizonz: could you try to phrase a clear question without abuse
[16:01] <ikonia> rizonz: do you mean is apache 2 hard to configure ?
[16:01] <OerHeks> rizonz, 15.10 is EOL, so there could be trouble
[16:02] <vfw> rizonz: First, install 16.04
[16:03] <rizonz> ikonia: nah it just doesn accept a thing
[16:03] <rizonz> it runs but no telnet on port 80 possible
[16:03] <rizonz> vfw: yeah upgrading now
[16:03] <ikonia> rizonz: probably a firewall
[16:03] <rizonz> OerHeks: yeah it was an install because owncloud hand an issue with fpm back the day
[16:03] <CrackedCracker> Hello guys. Could you please help me?
[16:03] <CrackedCracker> I messed up some gtk configs (i think) and now I can't find how to revert these changes.
[16:03] <CrackedCracker> Right now some of my windows have tabs (menus?) like this http://imgur.com/a/4RJLs
[16:03] <rizonz> ikonia: no no firewall
[16:04] <ikonia> rizonz: something is blocking it from getting there, or it's not listening on port 80
[16:04] <vfw> rizonz: /var/log/apache/
[16:04] <rizonz> ikonia: netstat says it is
[16:04] <rizonz> vfw: nothing there
[16:05] <ikonia> rizonz: then it's being clocked/nat incorrectly
[16:05] <ikonia> as it's not hitting the box
[16:05] <ikonia> nothing in the log = not hitting the box
[16:05] <rizonz> and it started after an upgrade months ago, was not busy with this for a while and it was not needed, so first 16.04 now
[16:05] <vfw> rizonz: /var/log/httpd/error_log
[16:05] <rizonz> ikonia: it is, I run 300 14.04 servers without any issue int he same network
[16:06] <rizonz> vfw: nothing, really nowhere something usefull
[16:06] <lilvim> Hi Ondrej, by any chance did you stop maintaining your php5.5 packages?
[16:07] <CrackedCracker> Or could you please tell me, where default .gconf lives?
[16:07] <CrackedCracker> When I remove .gconf and other from my home folder some problems resolve by changing appearance overall
[16:07] <vfw> rizonz: So that should tell you that it is not apache that is failing.
[16:07] <rizonz> vfw: apache starts, netstat says ok port 80 (or 443) and nothing possible
[16:08] <rizonz> further nmo logs
[16:08] <rizonz> I think this box is just not OK anymore
[16:08] <rizonz> upgrading atm
[16:08] <vfw> rizonz: localhost in a browser should tell you something.
[16:08] <rizonz> vfw: it's a server
[16:09] <vfw> rizonz: lynx --dump localhost
[16:09] <rizonz> vfw: upgrading atm
[16:09] <vfw> rizonz: Ok, just giving you a troubleshooting tip.
[16:10] <rizonz> vfw: thanks :)
[16:10] <rizonz> I need to move all servers to 16.04
[16:10] <rizonz> php7 on 14.04 seems to be a pain still ?
[16:10] <vfw> rizonz: Correct....
[16:10] <rizonz> vfw: pity, why actually ?
[16:11] <vfw> rizonz: You mean why is php7 a pain on 14.04?
[16:11] <CrackedCracker> Anyone?
[16:11] <nicomachus> !patience | CrackedCracker
[16:11] <rizonz> vfw: yes
[16:12] <vfw> rizonz: Oh, I dono..
[16:12] <rizonz> why can't it auth the sssd packages for an 16.04 upgrade ?
[16:14] <white> 0erHek:I installed and found the link on notepad ++, but I could not figure it out during installation
[16:16] <ducasse> white: notepad++ is a windows program, not linux
[16:17] <white> ducasse:https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/ Link address given to me
[16:17] <SinonX3> does someone know if the sound got fixed already for asus e200ha
[16:17] <ducasse> white: there are many text editors in the repos, install from the software center
[16:19] <manaka> XMLF
[16:20] <white> ducasse:I am trying to follow the instructions but I constantly get the same error I can not find the command
[16:22] <ducasse> white: what error? and what instructions?
[16:23] <vfw> white: What exactlty are you trying to do?>"
[16:23] <sruli> i added a udev rule to disable touchpad when usb mouse is connected, i found this rule on the net, it works fine but only after user login, what do i need to change in it to make it work before login(run at boot)? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23618265/
[16:23] <KsChoice> Hi there, so my Asus RoG G705JM laptop with integrated intel and nvidia video suddenly lost multi monitor support.. I went to check and lspci no longer shows anything "nvidia".. dmesg no longer shows any reference about nvidia either, not even dmidecode shows anything.. I know that video cards don't just disappear into thin air, so can anybody tell me what happened here? Shouldn't dmidecode or lspci at the very least show the available
[16:23] <KsChoice> nvidia card? And why would they not show anything at all?
[16:25] <OerHeks> KsChoice, did you press FN key + monitor internal/external perhaps??
[16:25] <white> ducasse:The linkte program I gave you tells you how to install it on ubuntu I wrote it in the command processor but I did not
[16:25] <SinonX3> nobody can help? asus vivobook e200ha sound problem?
[16:25] <vfw> sruli: It is a configuration that changes a user's experience, so it is limited to the user it is for.
[16:25] <GnomeKris> So. I have no idea what drivers I'm using on Ubuntu 16.04 because my additional drivers screen looks like this...
[16:25] <GnomeKris> http://imgur.com/18vmjVZ
[16:25] <GnomeKris> Anyone have any clue as to what's going on?
[16:26] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: which driver are you looking for?
[16:26] <white> vfw:I want to install Notepad ++ ubuntu
[16:26] <k12> Why are there so many files in my /home/.ecryptfs folder? I'm trying to run a clamscan, and there are thousands of files in that place.
[16:26] <sruli> vfw: there must be a way to make the udev rule work regardless if user is logged in
[16:26] <ducasse> white: i need to know what you type and which error you get, post them on paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link.
[16:26] <GnomeKris> Well. I was under the impression that 16.04 came with Mesa drivers, but after digging deeper, I have no idea now.
[16:26] <OerHeks> KsChoice, Fn + F8 >> http://i2.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/DSC05968.jpg
[16:27] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: sudo lshw
[16:27] <KsChoice> OerHeks: checking
[16:27] <ducasse> sruli: not with that script
[16:27] <SinonX3> ...no sound? ._.
[16:27] <KsChoice> OerHeks: though.. would that also disable the hardware?
[16:28] <sruli> ducasse: any chance you can point me to an alternative?
[16:28] <ducasse> SinonX3: you might want to post your details again, i can't recall seeing them.
[16:28] <GnomeKris> nicomachus: http://pastebin.com/hbTrBh1h
[16:28] <OerHeks> KsChoice, it is a hardware key combo, so yes, could well be
[16:28] <ducasse> sruli: sorry, i've never tried this.
[16:28] <SinonX3> Asus Vivobook e200ha
[16:29] <KsChoice> OerHeks: didn't do anything.. I guess it might be a bios issue...? Perohaps the card was somehow disabled there...
[16:29] <KsChoice> I'll have to reboot, brb
[16:29] <k12> Is there an explanation at all?
[16:29] <vfw> KsChoice: Show us the output of lspci.  lspci |& nc termbin.com 9999
[16:29] <k12> inb4 magic
[16:29] <KsChoice> vfw: http://termbin.com/49xt
[16:29] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: I don't seen any mesa drivers.
[16:30] <GnomeKris> So my pc isnt using my gpu at all then?
[16:31] <SinonX3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1563110
[16:31] <GnomeKris> nicomachus: If it's  not using any drivers for my gpu, then does that mean it's not using my gpu at all?
[16:31] <vfw> KsChoice: That is a pretty short list.  Is that lspci with no arguments?
[16:31] <KsChoice> vfw: yeah... That list indeed is.. weird... I executed the line as you specified
[16:32] <KsChoice> vfw: copy/paste
[16:32] <white> ducasse: All right
[16:32] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: it's using the amdgpu drive
[16:32] <nicomachus> driver
[16:32] <KsChoice> vfw: I'll check my bios real quick to see if something got disabled.. right back
[16:32] <vfw> KsChoice: Maybe you are right.  Maybe something in bios settings have been changed...
[16:33] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: you can see that easier with 'sudo lshw -C video'
[16:33] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[16:33] <SinonX3> ah crap dont wanna use win duck again
[16:33] <SinonX3> but no sound ..
[16:33] <GnomeKris> OerHeks: was that for me?
[16:34] <nicomachus> OerHeks: I think my way was easier. :)
[16:34] <nicomachus> but that works too
[16:35] <GnomeKris> I agree, nicomachus, your was was much simpler. But that's what I love about linux. More than one way to skin this cat.
[16:35] <nicomachus> SinonX3: can you state the issue you're having clearly and concisely so that we can try to help you, instead of just complaining about it?
[16:35] <OerHeks> nicomachus, there are many ways to Rome
[16:35] <ducasse> SinonX3: according to those comments, there is support planned for kernel ~4.10...
[16:36] <nicomachus> OerHeks: :)
[16:36] <GnomeKris> Also, based on the information given. Would you recommend I switch drivers? Which has typically better performance when it comes to gaming?
[16:36] <nicomachus> GnomeKris: I like the OSS radeon driver, but haven't tried amdgpu
[16:36] <nicomachus> I just hated fglrx and am glad it's ded
[16:37] <vfw> dead
[16:37] <CrackedCracker> Sorry to repost but i can't find anything to work
[16:37] <CrackedCracker> I installed and then deleted gnome-terminal from gnome3 ppa and in while updating some of configs were messed up, so now nearly any theme's menus in header look like this https://imgur.com/a/4RJLs
[16:37] <CrackedCracker> What shoud i reset to have back normal appearance?
[16:37] <GnomeKris> I hated fglrx too. I'm gonna google up some OSS radeon driver info. Back in a few
[16:38] <CrackedCracker> Sorry, haven't reread that, I hope problem's clear
[16:38] <nicomachus> vfw: ded > dead
[16:38] <nicomachus> more memery
[16:39] <SinonX3> ducasse: wow so i have to wait then?
[16:39] <ducasse> SinonX3: i don't know, just telling you what the comments in the bug report said.
[16:41] <ducasse> SinonX3: also, it said 'planned', not 'will definitely be there'.
[16:42] <CrackedCracker> Guys, could anyone give me just a hint?
[16:42] <mustmodify> when software tells me to 'apt-get' I typically always prepend sudo because when I don't, I get an error. Are there some situations where a non-root user wouldn't have to use sudo?
[16:42] <SinonX3> wow never trought that ubuntu wont support a 2016 mainboard..
[16:43] <SinonX3> ok then waiting
[16:44] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: did you install any other packages from the ppa, or were some installed as dependencies?
[16:45] <ikonia> I suspect it's just referencing a style/theme that no longer exists
[16:45] <ikonia> setting the theme with the tweak tool I suspect would bring things back
[16:46] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: ^^
[16:46] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Oh, thank you.
[16:46] <CrackedCracker> With gnome-terminal? Yep, i believe libgtk2 or something, I'm not sure, but i can look that up in dependenices and try to remember
[16:47] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: try ikonia's suggestion first, it's a simple test
[16:48] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: I tried, reinstalled theme in use (ambiance-flat), then that haven't worked - still same problems, now i removed it completely and swithed to default numix, but it's still the same
[16:49] <CrackedCracker> I suspect there should be some common config, but can't find any of them
[16:49] <gus-needs-help> i just installed lxde (not the desktop pkg) on top of ubuntu 16.04 but the DE switcher ubuntu orb on the login screen is missing. what might be wrong?
[16:50] <gus-needs-help> is there any pkg i may have missed?
[16:50] <vfw> CrackedCracker: Maybe you should [also] ask #gnome
[16:51] <vfw> gus-needs-help: yes
[16:51] <CrackedCracker> vfw: Ok, i'll try now, thank you
[16:51] <gus-needs-help> vfw what one?
[16:52] <vfw> gus-needs-help: Still using lightdm?
[16:52] <gus-needs-help> i think so
[16:53] <vfw> gus-needs-help: maybe dpkg-reconfigure lxde
[16:53] <gus-needs-help> vfw: its just the normal ubuntu login screen
[16:53] <gus-needs-help> ok
[16:53] <vfw> gus-needs-help: And you *do* get option for lxde.  Right?
[16:53] <OerHeks> gus-needs-help, see top panel far right, there you should be able to switch too
[16:53] <gus-needs-help> no i dont
[16:53] <ioria> gus-needs-help, dpkg -l lxsession
[16:54] <OerHeks> 'not the desktop pkg' makes me wonder
[16:54] <gus-needs-help> ioria: what would that do?
[16:54] <ioria> gus-needs-help, without it, very difficult to start lxde
[16:54] <OerHeks> wb KsChoice
[16:54] <ioria> gus-needs-help, dpkg -l lxsession    tells you if that pkg is installed
[16:54] <gus-needs-help> i just used vanilla lxde not lxde-desktop
[16:54] <gus-needs-help> ok
[16:55] <ioria> !info lxsession
[16:55] <vfw> gus-needs-help: Maybe just install sddm
[16:56] <vfw> !info sddm | gus-needs-help
[16:56] <ioria> gus-needs-help,  if not installed,  suo apt-get install lxsession and logout/login
[16:56] <Tachyon_> on windows, I set up two default keyboard layouts: one for romanian programmers (which is basically the same as US), and standard romanian. I change them by alt-shift-ing. can I do the same of something similar on ubuntu ? thank you
[16:57] <lol768> Hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu 16.10.
[16:57] <ducasse> gus-needs-help: is lxde-common installed? did you restart lightdm?
[16:57] <lol768> I'm on the "Installation type" page. I select "Something else"
[16:57] <lol768> but "Continue" is greyed out.
[16:57] <gus-needs-help> hang on a second
[16:57] <vfw> !info lxdm | gus-needs-help
[16:58] <CrackedCracker> Should I repost question or something? I'm really stuck and can't even make up something to google
[16:58] <vfw> gus-needs-help:  Yea, lxdm may be best.  (Not sure that's the problem but...)
[16:58] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, yes, in ubuntu / unity winkey + space
[16:59] <Asad2005> I am getting an error in chromuim whenever i go to amazon us or uk saying your connection is not private please help chromium version Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu
[16:59] <vfw> Asad2005: date
[17:00] <vfw> Asad2005: firefox
[17:00] <egon_> chrome
[17:00] <OerHeks> Asad2005, if they use symantec certificates, it is a known issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[17:00] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: try purging the ppa with ppa-purge
[17:00] <KsChoice> vfw: Alrighty.. So I rebooted, checked bios, nothing there about video card.. I tried to apply the nvidia current driver, but that failed as well.. ITs as if the video card is no longer there, is this a known issue? I mean, hardward disappearing??
[17:00] <egon_> here have pussy or not?
[17:00] <Asad2005> OerHeks: i am on ubunto my pc dat is ok
[17:01] <vfw> KsChoice: Same output from lspci?
[17:01] <KsChoice> vfw: yeah
[17:01] <Asad2005> the error is ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED
[17:01] <ducasse> egon_: watch your language
[17:01] <OerHeks> Asad2005, so that bug applies to you to, wait for chromium-browser 54
[17:02] <vfw> KsChoice: Ok.  If you don't see it in lspci or dmesg, trying to load drivers will not work.
[17:02] <ppf_> KsChoice: unplug/replug the card
[17:02] <Asad2005> OerHeks: so for now i can only use firefox?
[17:02] <KsChoice> vfw: http://pastebin.com/em3ZTpwt
[17:02] <KsChoice> ppf_: Its a laptop, that is the strange thing here...
[17:02] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Thanks, i'll try now
[17:02] <OerHeks> Asad2005, any browser but chromium, yes
[17:02] <Asad2005> OerHeks: and when do you thisnk v54 will be released
[17:02] <gstaniak> anybody using kickstart installs for 16,04 desktops?
[17:02] <Tachyon_> thanks
[17:03] <OerHeks> Asad2005, no idea, soon?
[17:03] <ppf_> KsChoice: it's either switched off in bios (implying you didn't look correctly) or defect
[17:03] <nomic> autojoin works again
[17:03] <nomic> thnks
[17:03] <Asad2005> OerHeks: many thanks
[17:03] <nomic> mebbe network issue
[17:03] <vfw> KsChoice: I think it is a hardware issue.
[17:04] <KsChoice> ppf_: The bios didn't show anything about the video card
[17:04] <KsChoice> vfw: yeah, that is what its looking like now
[17:04] <DutchC64> hey people I am struggling with the same thing for 2 years now and right now it is really starting to piss me off
[17:04] <white> ducasse:http://paste.ubuntu.com/ i posted
[17:04] <vfw> KsChoice: You might unplug power and remove battery for a while
[17:05] <ppf_> KsChoice: you can try and reset the bios
[17:05] <DutchC64> I am trying to get wine to talk to my usb=>serial converter so I can program my radio receiver
[17:05] <ppf_> and what vfw said
[17:05] <ducasse> white: the _full_ url
[17:05] <ppf_> if nother of those work, then the card is broken
[17:05] <backbox> hi
[17:05] <KsChoice> vfw: ppf_: Both good options, I'll try them both right now, brb
[17:05] <CrackedCracker> brb, rebooting
[17:05] <balbooaaa> is anybody here
[17:06] <DutchC64> I am really out of options here and about to just give up on the fricking thing
[17:06] <DutchC64> that radio receiver is the only reason I have an old laptop running windows 98 in my house right now
[17:07] <ducasse> DutchC64: that probably won't work, use a vm instead
[17:07] <MadPsy> DutchC64: use a VM, screw wine for that task
[17:07] <vfw> DutchC64: What is the radio receiver?
[17:07] <vfw> DutchC64: As MadPsy suggests, wine does not work for everything.
[17:08] <balbooaaa> DutchC64 indeed it doesn't
[17:08] <vfw> DutchC64: What is the make and model of the radio receiver?
[17:08] <white> ducasse:Thank you no more trouble
[17:09] <DutchC64> vm on an intel Atom 455?
[17:09] <DutchC64> nah
[17:09] <CrackedCracker> No luck, although i removed ppa from gnome3-team at all
[17:09] <vfw> DutchC64: Is it single core?
[17:10] <DutchC64> the weirdest thing is the fact that I have read stories of other people using the same software with the same radio receiver in wine
[17:10] <DutchC64> yep
[17:10] <vfw> DutchC64: What is the make and model of the radio receiver?
[17:11] <DutchC64> Uniden USC230
[17:11] <Watakushi3> Hello all? who played Euphoria(visual novel)?
[17:11] <DutchC64> using a PL2303 based USB=>serial converter
[17:11] <DutchC64> and it' s seen as ttyUSB0
[17:11] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: close the application, run 'rm -rf ~/.config/gtk-*' in a shell and try again
[17:11] <DutchC64> added myself to dialout and even as a last resort to root
[17:12] <Watakushi3> Why are you all so cleveer?~ :(
[17:12] <OerHeks> Watakushi3, is that a windows game?
[17:13] <Watakushi3> MacOS too
[17:13] <Watakushi3> It is visual novel, not game
[17:13] <odfhw5bv9s> Hi all! I have installed an emoji font (google-noto-color-emoji) but I don't see that they are rendered. WTF?
[17:13] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: It's not application specific, but yes, will try now.
[17:13] <CrackedCracker> Although this folders contain nothing but gtkfilechooser and bookmarks respectively 2 and 3
[17:13] <CrackedCracker> these*
[17:14] <vfw> KsChoice: 16.04?
[17:14] <lol768> okay I managed to get the graphical installer to work
[17:14] <lol768> How do I add an encrypted swap partition
[17:14] <vfw> DutchC64: 16.04?
[17:14] <GnomeKris> What is a decent replacement for compiz? I'm tired of it using up so much cpu and memory.
[17:15] <xandfury> /list
[17:15] <xandfury>  
[17:15] <xandfury>  
[17:15] <xandfury>  
[17:15] <xandfury>  
[17:15] <Watakushi3> What'   s up people
[17:15] <GnomeKris> I mean, I have plenty of power, but when I game, I'd like to open up a bit more memory for my games to use.
[17:15] <lol768> well someone knows how to use IRC..
[17:16] <CrackedCracker> Nope, still the same
[17:16] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: what is the actual desktop you are currently using
[17:17] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: Xubuntu 16.04
[17:17] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: so you're using xfce
[17:17] <vfw> DutchC64: Did you download the firmware for the SC230?
[17:17] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: yep
[17:17] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: create a new user, login as that user, does that new users desktop work
[17:17] <KsChoice> vfw: reset BIOS, looks like card is back again.. Still not working yet, but at least it shows up in lspci
[17:17] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: lets find out if it's a system problem or a problem with your users config
[17:18] <vfw> KsChoice: Ok. Looks like you are on the road to recovery....
[17:19] <KsChoice> vfw: quick question though: In lspci I do see NVIDIA 3D, but lspci | grep -i vga shows nothing yet.. Shouldn't the video card show up with | grep -i vga as well?
[17:20] <OerHeks> KsChoice, yes, it should
[17:21] <lol768> Can I seriously not resize paritions inside the /dev/mapper/sdx_crypt entires in the installer? It's made a 240 GiB swap partition
[17:21] <KsChoice> OerHeks: well the weird thing is that before the BIOS reset, I did not see any nvidia reference at all
[17:21] <KsChoice> And now I do see 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 860M] (rev a2)
[17:21] <ikonia> lol768: you have to modify the partitions, no the crypt entry
[17:22] <lol768> I am ikonia
[17:22] <ikonia> lol768: the crypt entry is an overlay on the partition, so you can't change the overlay size if the partition is the same size
[17:22] <lol768> it only lets me change the type
[17:22] <lol768> but it doesn't ask me what size partition I want
[17:22] <lol768> it just fills the whole thing up with an ext4 partition
[17:23] <CrackedCracker> Tested with other user, it's all the same, some boxes (like in gksu password prompt) do appear (i believe because of different theme), but it's still the same for tabs/menus in header
[17:24] <CrackedCracker> oh, and some more clarification - it seems like only boxes arent' drawn, if that helps somehow
[17:24] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: so I'd guess that whatever your default theme is - it's missing
[17:25] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: And how do I restore it?
[17:25] <ikonia> if it's a new user it will use default, nothing custom
[17:25] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: yep, that's what I think happens
[17:25] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: I have no idea what the default is - but I'd find out the name of it, and then reinstall the package containing that (don't reinstall it froma  website - use the ubuntu package so it goes to the right directories)
[17:25] <mgr-4> привіт
[17:26] <CrackedCracker> ikonia: thanks, i'll try
[17:27] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: the guys in #xubuntu maybe able to tell you the theme name / package name off the top of their head
[17:27] <ikonia> CrackedCracker: I don't know it without researching it
[17:28] <ducasse> i think xubuntu uses graybird by default
[17:28] <ikonia> there you go
[17:29] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: oh, thank you so much
[17:35] <ts_> moin
[17:35] <CrackedCracker> Unfortunatelly, no luck once again
[17:36] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: are you still logged in as the new user?
[17:36] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Nope, swithced to my usual
[17:37] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: the different themes under settings -> appearance have little effect on this?
[17:37] <UnityKris> trying to upgrad amdgpu-pro from 16.30 to 16.50 and I get this error
[17:37] <UnityKris> http://pastebin.com/gwq7qHmu
[17:38] <u__> ?
[17:38] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Some of them change it, but others don't
[17:38] <UnityKris> Do I need to remove 16.30 first or?...
[17:38] <u__> help
[17:38] <vfw> UnityKris: From what? To what?
[17:38] <bulletxt> hi, Ubuntu doesn't ship libmail-spf-query-perl anymore. can someone please help my understand what's the new package name?
[17:38] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: does that mean some of them fix the error?
[17:38] <shaz> hello
[17:39] <UnityKris> vfw: updating amdgpu-pro drivers from 16.30 to 16.50
[17:39] <UnityKris> Not ubuntu versions 16.**
[17:39] <ilhami> welcome reisio !
[17:39] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Not sure "fix", they just change the appearance drastically, so issues are kind of resolved
[17:39] <UnityKris> amdgpu-pro just happens to have the same version number
[17:40] <reisio> ilhami: entirely too early in the day for that kind of cheery amiability :p
[17:40] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: which ubuntu version is this?
[17:40] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: 16.04
[17:40] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: xubuntu
[17:41] <vfw> UnityKris: What version of ubuntu are you using?
[17:41] <UnityKris> 16.04
[17:42] <ilhami> hope you'll have a good day, reisio.
[17:42] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: did you use ppa-purge to get rid of the gnome ppa?
[17:42] <reisio> y tu
[17:42] <r00trunner> Can someone please tell me how to allow to display .phps files by apache2? It always tells me I don't have sufficient priviliges to do so. html and php files work just fine.
[17:42] <reisio> r00trunner: so the source is rendered?
[17:43] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: yes
[17:43] <CrackedCracker> maybe i used it wrong, i should check now
[17:43] <r00trunner> reisio: the .phps is almost equivalent to its .php file. but instead of being executed, the .phps file should just display the source
[17:43] <reisio> r00trunner: right
[17:43] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: no, i'm sure that's fine.
[17:43] <vfw> !info amdgpu-pro xenial | UnityKris
[17:43] <reisio> r00trunner: http://serverfault.com/questions/62410/apache-htaccess-phps ?
[17:43] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: i was just wondering if you could have gotten a gtk upgrade from some ppa...
[17:44] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: and that is what is breaking things. can you give me the link to the screenshot again?
[17:44] <UnityKris> vfw, that just means it's not available in the default ppa's. Doesn't mean it cant be used at all.
[17:44] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: like, before? shouldn't be, i used only ravefinity-project
[17:44] <vfw> UnityKris: So, are using a ppa?
[17:44] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: sure, one second
[17:45] <UnityKris> vfw: There isn't a ppa for amdgpu pro. It's only available by download from the website
[17:45] <vfw> UnityKris: ok.
[17:45] <UnityKris> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[17:46] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: http://imgur.com/a/4RJLs
[17:46] <reisio> aspx <headdesk>
[17:46] <CrackedCracker> nearly all the boxes disappear
[17:46] <vfw> UnityKris: http://pastebin.com/gwq7qHmu  is the result of what command?
[17:47] <r00trunner> reisio: Thank you. It tells me to register an event handler, but it does not mention in which file. Any idea?
[17:47] <tgm4883> vfw: those look like dpkg errors
[17:47] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: try 'sudo apt install --reinstall greybird-gtk-theme' if you haven't already
[17:47] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: https://i.imgur.com/bm41vCQ.png
[17:47] <CrackedCracker> that's what I mean when "boxes disappear"
[17:48] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: weird.
[17:48] <vfw> UnityKris: So you downloaded https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ubuntu/amdgpu-pro-16.40-348864.tar.xz ?
[17:48] <tgm4883> UnityKris: I'd try uninstalling the previous driver first
[17:48] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Yes, i don't even know what could be causing this
[17:49] <tgm4883> vfw: no, he downloaded 16.50
[17:49] <CrackedCracker> afk for a couple of minutes
[17:49] <tgm4883> vfw: and it looks like he got 16.30 installed
[17:49] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: either gtk itself is broken, or there is some theme-related settings causing this.
[17:49] <reisio> r00trunner: be somewhere in /etc, try egrep -ir 'filesmatch|sethandler' /etc/(apache?)
[17:50] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: Is there any way to reset it? I reisntalled what was upgraded with gnome-terminal, nothing changed
[17:50] <vfw> UnityKris: tgm4883 Ok. Reading http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Install.aspx
[17:51] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: And I can't even find any more configs for themes
[17:51] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: did you reinstall greybird-gtk-theme?
[17:51] <vfw> UnityKris: tgm4883 So it says 16.50 is Beta...
[17:52] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: also look under ~/local/share/themes
[17:52] <tgm4883> vfw: IIRC, all those drivers are beta
[17:52] <tgm4883> vfw: also, he doesn't appear to be in the channel anymore, so we can probably stop
[17:52] <vfw> UnityKris seems to be gone now....
[17:52] <tgm4883> that or my tab complete is broken
[17:53] <vfw> tgm4883: Works for you.
[17:54] <tgm4883> vfw: so based on the output there and the package names, my best guess is that amd changed the naming convention between 16.30 and 16.50 and didn't do the packaging correctly to allow the new name to upgrade/replace the old name
[17:54] <vfw> tgm4883: Looks like he may need to get rid of the earlier version first.  Not sure.
[17:54] <tgm4883> vfw: yes that's what I said earlier :)
[17:54] <monery> anyone know where you can request software to be added to the repositories for your arch when your NOT using i386 or AMD64?
[17:54] <vfw> tgm4883: Probably true.  Maybe he's fixing it now.
[17:55] <monery> find it annoying that I can't apt-get telegram
[17:55] <tgm4883> vfw: basically, dpkg will throw an error if you try to overwrite a file in another package (and the packaging wasn't done to handle that situation)
[17:55] <vfw> tgm4883: I wonder if there is a dpkg switch to force it?
[17:56] <tgm4883> vfw: well there is, but I wouldn't do that
[17:56] <tgm4883> I'd just uninstall the old version first
[17:57] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: yes, reinstalled.
[17:57] <vfw> tgm4883: Yea, that's prolly best.
[17:57] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: what version does 'apt policy libgtk2.0-0' report as installed?
[17:58] <flyinprogrammer> Ubuntu 16.04.1, 4.4.0-53-generic on EC2; I've added `nohz=off clocksource=tsc`to my kernel command line, and i keep getting Override clocksource tsc is not HRT compatible - cannot switch while in HRT/NOHZ mode, what am I doing wrong?
[17:58] <flyinprogrammer> switching to tsc works after boot though :/
[17:59] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: 2.24 ,both installed and candidate
[17:59] <CrackedCracker> 2.24.30-1ubuntu1
[18:00] <MonkeyDust> flyinprogrammer  i guess overclocking is beyon the scope of this channel
[18:00] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: that's the right one. i'm rapidly running out of ideas, i think you should try #xfce - there are a decent number of people there.
[18:00] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: i don't have ~/local dir at all
[18:01] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: .local, sorry
[18:01] <GrandPa-G> If I set up a wifi connect while as user A and put in a password, then I login as user B, the knowledge of the setup seems to be lost. How can I make it work for all users, or better, be setup at boot time?
[18:02] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: thanks for all the help
[18:02] <CrackedCracker> there is no theme[s] dir in ~/.local/share too
[18:03] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: ok, try #xfce, that's my best idea at this point - sorry...
[18:03] <rizonz> vfw: and fixed!
[18:03] <rizonz> 15.10 was just a bricked fpm install back the days
[18:04] <CrackedCracker> ducasse: yes, I will try. Thank you once again.
[18:04] <CrackedCracker> And thanks for other folks
[18:04] <vfw> rizonz: What were we working on? (I forgot?)
[18:04] <voja> .
[18:05] <confused-headbas> hey can anyone help me with a usb not being recognised issue? :D
[18:05] <vfw> GrandPa-G: https://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2015/02/16/networkmanager-for-administrators-part-1/
[18:05] <reisio> confused-headbas: ?
[18:06] <vfw> rizonz: Ok. Well, at any rate, the upgrade fixed your problem?
[18:06] <GrandPa-G> vfw: I will read it but it is from 2004, a bit out of date?
[18:07] <confused-headbas> I have a usb wifi adaptor but ubuntu won't detect it using lsusb, but it does show up under usb-devices
[18:07] <vfw> GrandPa-G: It's all I could find.  But, that is kind of the way NetworkManager is set up.  A user sets up a connection - which is independent of any other user.
[18:07] <reisio> confused-headbas: which adapter?
[18:07] <confused-headbas> TP-Link TL-WN823N
[18:09] <vfw> GrandPa-G: At least I think that's the way it works.
[18:09] <ptytty> any new security vulns like initrc shell released at pwnfest
[18:09] <r00trunner> It simply does not work. Can anyone help me making .phps files accessible by apache2
[18:09] <confused-headbas> reisio: I know that there are problems with the driver for this device, because I've had it before but this is a newer model of the same chipset I think... but it always was detected by lsusb in the past
[18:09] <vfw> GrandPa-G: If I remember correctly, wicd was different.
[18:09] <rizonz> vfw: yap and running PHP 7 now with the same apache.conf
[18:09] <vfw> GrandPa-G: Not totally sure though.
[18:10] <confused-headbas> reisio: I'm wondering if there is a way to manually assign a driver to a usb device?
[18:10] <vfw> rizonz: Oh yea, I remember now.  php7 and apache
[18:10] <ducasse> ptytty: not on topic here
[18:10] <GrandPa-G> vfw: I am really running a rack mount server box, but just put a gui on to make setup easier. don't really need to login
[18:10] <MonkeyDust> r00trunner  try a php channel
[18:10] <ptytty> ducasse: whats the chan?
[18:10] <rizonz> vfw: I was on 5.6
[18:10] <ducasse> !alis | ptytty
[18:11] <rizonz> vfw: yo you bad admin, remeber more :P
[18:11] <reisio> confused-headbas: could try https://github.com/christiantroy/TL-WN823N-V2
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> r00trunner  type   /j ##php  (double #)
[18:11] <ptytty> ducasse: ubottu: kewl, thanks homme
[18:12] <alex35> /msg Alis list http
[18:15] <Capprentice>  If a system has 16 GB of RAM, Xeon E7. What changes should be made except these http://pastie.org/10981822 for highest performance for a Transparent SQUID cache?
[18:19] <eelstrebor> apparently, lightspark isn't a 100% replacement for adobe flash
[18:20] <reisio> eelstrebor: y'mean it won't give me security problems?
[18:20] <reisio> dang...
[18:24] <eelstrebor> reisio, ?
[18:24] <reisio> eelstrebor: ?
[18:28] <eelstrebor> i realize that there are security issues with adobe flash but i installed it on the wife's pc since there is one website that won't run without it - i have pperflash installed but it won't launch the video at that site
[18:28] <reisio> what site?
[18:31] <eelstrebor> http://www.teletica.com/en-vivo.aspx
[18:32] <eelstrebor> can't get it to work in any browser without the adobe plugin
[18:32] <reisio> eelstrebor: works for me in chromium
[18:33] <reisio> eelstrebor: also works for me in Firefox, with chrome's flash
[18:36] <eelstrebor> well, i disabled all the other plugins and it still wouldn't work - i tried on all of my computers and even chrome on my smartphone wouldn't play any videos
[18:38] <reisio> mmm, maybe it's blocking you by location or something strange like that
[18:38] <araneidae> After an update, systemd has decided I've now got a startup dependency and has decided not to bother starting my nfs server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23620255/
[18:38] <araneidae> Any suggestions for fixing this, please?
[18:39] <araneidae> I have an nfs -o _netdev mount in my fstab, no doubt that's contributing...
[18:40] <reisio> nfs, ew
[18:40] <araneidae> Eh?
[18:40] <eelstrebor> reisio, i was getting a region restricted message on the web browser but not on the teletica smartphone app - the smartphone chrome gave that region message also -- both the pc and the smartphone is connected to the lan - strange stuff
[18:41] <reisio> eelstrebor: sounds like your issue, then
[18:41] <maddawg2> how come when i tell the installer for ubuntu to download updates during install it doesnt
[18:41] <reisio> eelstrebor: and if you go to http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x29e3wg directly?
[18:41] <eelstrebor> the interesting thing is that one day the web browser worked fine and then the next it didn't
[18:41] <maddawg2> i still have to do a apt-get upgrade
[18:41] <maddawg2> i would have thought selecting that would save time later
[18:41] <maddawg2> (as it suggests)
[18:41] <reisio> maddawg2: you don't want to do that anyway, it introduces so many additional ways for the install to fail
[18:42] <reisio> maddawg2: update after the base install is entirely done, after you're booted into it
[18:42] <maddawg2> what?
[18:42] <eelstrebor> heh, i just removed adobe flash and the website works fine again - strange things happening
[18:42] <akik> araneidae: found the same error message at https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=184588 there's also one possible solution
[18:44] <araneidae> akik, hmm.  Looks like a two year old bug has come back again, I guess :(
[18:45] <akik> araneidae: araneidae although your paste doesn't contain nfs client
[18:45] <araneidae> I have no idea what the impact of installing DefaultDependencies=False would be, have to say.  Systemd startup seems alarmingly brittle
[18:45] <schemanic> hey
[18:45] <akik> araneidae: did you read the systemd logs if they contain more information?
[18:45] <schemanic> I'm trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 but I'm getting 'failed to download repository information' from the update manager. Wat do?
[18:45] <araneidae> Yeah, akik, I'm not really very confident of tackling this without causing major breakage.
[18:46] <eelstrebor> reisio, it's broken again and it won't launch at http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x29e3wg either
[18:46] <vfw> schemanic: Is your network connection ok?
[18:46] <schemanic> yep
[18:46] <schemanic> im talking to you arent I?
[18:47] <akik> schemanic: when you prepend your line with nick: it means your message is meant for nick
[18:48] <araneidae> Alas, am not sure which logs to check.  dmesg was informative, but syslog not so much
[18:48] <akik> araneidae: journalctl -xe
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> schemanic  the problem may have been for a different machine than the one you're using for irc
[18:48] <araneidae> ta
[18:48] <vfw> schemanic: Was apt working ok before?
[18:49] <vfw> schemanic: Was your 16.04 fully updated?
[18:50] <araneidae> akik, neither nfs nor remote-fs appear in the output of `journalctl -xe`
[18:50] <akik> araneidae: you can tail that with "journalctl -f" and try restarting
[18:51] <schemanic> ah I didn't notice the failure modal had an 'upgrade' button
[18:51] <akik> araneidae: this could be relevant to you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/setserial/+bug/1452644
[18:51] <araneidae> akik, restarting my nfs server do you mean?  What's the systemd way to do this?
[18:52] <araneidae> akik, yes, that looks promising!
[18:52] <akik> araneidae: systemctl restart nfs-server.service i guess
[18:53] <araneidae> "Fix Released" 2015-09-24 .. hmph
[18:54] <akik> araneidae: the bug report mentions that the problem is caused by setserial
[18:54] <araneidae> akik, well, after running that command I have my NFS server back again.  Damn, each time I restart this box something else doesn't come back and has to be manually massaged
[18:55] <akik> araneidae: "+ NFSd does not start due to systemd ordering cycle with setserial"
[18:55] <araneidae> Yeah. That's pretty strange.  What's the setserial service doing?!
[18:55] <samantha> BONSOIR LE MONDE
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[18:56] <araneidae> I'm certain I'm not using any serial ports...
[18:57] <araneidae> What's the systemd command to show the dependencies of setserial?
[18:57] <xentity1x> I'm trying to login to a computer via ssh. I can ssh into it from one computer but not another. The only difference is the troublesome computer has an ssh key setup. Anyone know what's wrong?
[18:58] <akik> araneidae: systemctl list-dependencies setserial.service
[18:59] <araneidae> Hm.  Just shows system.slice, whatever that is
[19:00] <akik> araneidae: on 16.04 it just output setserial.service
[19:01] <maddawg2> sigh i'm getting an odd error when i'm trying to install a package
[19:01] <maddawg2> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libd/libdbi-perl/libdbi-perl_1.634-1build1_amd64.deb: Automatically disabled Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth due to incorrect response from server/proxy. (man 5 apt.conf)
[19:01] <araneidae> akik, pretty sure I'm 16.04, must have something wonky somehwere
[19:02] <araneidae> Yes, `lsb_release -d` says "Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS"
[19:03] <maddawg2> well this is just odd... everytime i install ubuntu i always seem to be geeted with unexpected internal errors
[19:03] <maddawg2> sigh
[19:03] <maddawg2> it's like every update something is broken
[19:04] <maddawg2> god damn ubuntu
[19:05] <maddawg2> and it keeps quitting the damn package manager
[19:05] <maddawg2> WTF
[19:05] <maddawg2> this is a FRESH install... like literally just finished the isntall did a sudo apt-get upgrade and rbeooted
[19:05] <monery> maddawg2: try a reboot?
[19:05] <akik> maddawg2: sounds like a ram or hdd problem
[19:05] <maddawg2> ram or HD problem?
[19:05] <monery> oh fresh... did u have any problems with install?
[19:05] <maddawg2> no
[19:06] <maddawg2> it's def not a ram or hd issue
[19:06] <akik> maddawg2: try running the live session and see if that works
[19:06] <maddawg2> i did it worked fine
[19:06] <monery> sounds more hdd to me then
[19:06] <monery> or bad copy over
[19:06] <monery> how many times have you installed the os
[19:06] <akik> the live session doesn't use the hdd
[19:06] <maddawg2> i doubt that it's a bad hdd
[19:06] <maddawg2> it's a brand new server
[19:06] <monery> brand new doesn't mean flawless
[19:06] <maddawg2> it was working fine before i ran sudo apt-get upgrade in fact
[19:07] <araneidae> I understand that systemd creates its own internal config files from what it sees during startup; where does all this stuff live?  I want to hunt down what it's done for setserial
[19:07] <monery> ok, so something broke... it happens
[19:07] <monery> what packages did u update
[19:07] <maddawg2> i dont know which it upgraded
[19:07] <maddawg2> again it was a fresh upgrade
[19:07] <xentity1x> I have a problem where I login to a remote machine via ssh. It freezes. Then when I try to log back in the connection times out.
[19:07] <monery> has this server ever ran ubuntu stable?
[19:07] <maddawg2> yes monery
[19:07] <maddawg2> it's actualyl a vm
[19:07] <monery> what kind of vm
[19:07] <maddawg2> actually a vm*
[19:08] <maddawg2> hyper-v
[19:08] <monery> is the VM set to use host CPU feasutres?
[19:08] <monery> sorry, features?
[19:08] <maddawg2> let me see if i can find that in hyperv
[19:09] <monery> also, is your disk a real disk for an image... was the image fully allocated to you or does it grow as your disk needs grow
[19:09] <genii> araneidae: http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/setserial/filelist
[19:09] <monery> if it grew wrong during upgrade process, could be problem
[19:10] <maddawg2> monery, it's not thin provisioned
[19:10] <maddawg2> tho it is an lvm
[19:10] <maddawg2> the ubuntu that is
[19:10] <monery> lots of stuff happens when you do apt-get upgrade...
[19:10] <maddawg2> ...
[19:11] <maddawg2> well i sure hope that doesnt mean it breaks stuff
[19:11] <maddawg2> i mean it shouldnt on a brand new install
[19:11] <araneidae> genii, that's odd: when I run `dpkg-query -L setserial` I get a *much* shorter list (3 files in init.d and lib only)
[19:11] <monery> maddawg2: why...
[19:11] <maddawg2> because that would be the definition of "unstable"
[19:11] <monery> why can't crazy stuff just happen when its brand new...
[19:11] <maddawg2> because that would be unstable
[19:11] <maddawg2> i mean this is the 3rd time i installed this version of ubuntu
[19:12] <maddawg2> and same errors
[19:12] <maddawg2> and i even did it on a whole differnet machine
[19:12] <monery> naw, it means crazy stuff happens... could have been a power sag in your data center, or at home, or a glitch in the power supply undervolting the host disk...
[19:12] <monery> ah well two servers breaking is different....
[19:12] <monery> you never mentioned that ;)
[19:12] <maddawg2> well the other wasnt a server
[19:12] <maddawg2> the other was just a standard desktop
[19:12] <maddawg2> but no vm
[19:12] <maddawg2> and interestingly the older version of ubuntu works perfect
[19:13] <maddawg2> 14.04
[19:13] <maddawg2> and 15.04
[19:13] <maddawg2> those both seem to work
[19:13] <maddawg2> it's just when i go to 16.04
[19:13] <monery> upgrading to 16.04?
[19:13] <maddawg2> no
[19:13] <maddawg2> fresh
[19:13] <maddawg2> i dont do upgrades anymore because everytime i do it break
[19:13] <maddawg2> it breaks*
[19:13] <maddawg2> or stuff doesnt work right
[19:13] <iresf> anyone have had   experience with android studio  on both ubuntu 14.04  and ubuntu 16.04    ?
[19:13] <monery> I hate armhf upgrades... those break the most ;-(
[19:14] <maddawg2> its odd it seems to happen when i try to open the ubuntu softaware cetner each time
[19:14] <monery> maddawg2: I'd like to know more about the CPU's of your two troublesome machines....
[19:14] <monery> have you tried doing from terminal "sudo apt-get update"
[19:15] <maddawg2> Intel i5 in one and the server is 2 x 8 core Intel XEON (not sure the family)
[19:15] <akik> arjenvanderwal: not sure whether disabling setserial would help you but you can try
[19:15] <maddawg2> yes monery and it waits at "Waiting for headers" for a LOOONG time
[19:15] <maddawg2> but eventaully completes
[19:15] <maddawg2> an unsually long time
[19:15] <Pici> maddawg2: do you use a proxy to connect to the internet?
[19:15] <maddawg2> nope
[19:15] <Pici> maddawg2: tor?
[19:15] <maddawg2> direct connection.. 1gbps
[19:15] <monery> beat me to it Pici
[19:15] <maddawg2> no tor
[19:16] <monery> using repositories in your country
[19:16] <monery> ???
[19:16] <maddawg2> should be
[19:16] <monery> never count on should ;)
[19:16] <maddawg2> again it's a fresh install so i'd assume thats default
[19:16] <monery> Canonical's Ubuntu right?
[19:17] <maddawg2> what?
[19:17] <monery> not for example Liubuntu, or Ubuntu MATE, elementry.... these are all based on Ubuntu, but not from Canonical
[19:17] <maddawg2> monery the iso was got from here.. https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[19:17] <monery> ah so it is true Ubuntu...
[19:17] <maddawg2> yep
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> maddawg2  got he whole channel confused
[19:18] <monery> fresh install and Software Center and apt-get update never work right...
[19:19] <maddawg2> what?
[19:19] <squinty> maddawg2, Software & Updates -> Download from -> Other -> Select Best Sever   it will do some tests and pick a good server
[19:19] <monery> squinty: will that work if you never can run your first update of the repositories?
[19:20] <maddawg2> shows download from united states
[19:20] <maddawg2> it's interesting because it seems just "software Center" is causing the problem
[19:21] <maddawg2> if i open osftware center it immediately closes
[19:21] <maddawg2> then evnetually i will see an unexpected error window come up
[19:21] <squinty> monery, I have never encountered such a situation but my guess is it should still work
[19:21] <Pici> maddawg2: can you try something for me?
[19:21] <monery> maddawg2: start with rebooting the computer... first thing you do... try "sudo apt-get update"...
[19:21] <maddawg2> yea i already rebooted
[19:21] <maddawg2> a number of times
[19:21] <maddawg2> just rebooted 2 seconds ago in fact
[19:21] <monery> Pici: what idea u got
[19:21] <maddawg2> already back
[19:22] <Pici> maddawg2: sudo apt-get -o Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth=0 update
[19:22] <squinty> recommend for 16.04 is apt   sudo apt update
[19:22] <Pici> maddawg2: is that any faster/
[19:23] <the_pleiadian> hi guys, i have full-drive encryption running with my 16.04. it only boots with a keyfile from usb stick. it works. but it always has a 90 second timeout, looking for a service named like my stick which doesn't exist. any pointers?
[19:23] <monery> squinty: doesn't work that well on pi3... can be slower because of the parallel nature of the process
[19:23] <maddawg2> yes pici but i get "AppStream cache update completed, but some metadata was ignored due to errors."
[19:23] <maddawg2> that unusual
[19:24] <Pici> maddawg2: can you try doing the upgrade/install with the same option and see if that helps?
[19:24] <squinty> been getting that message for a while now....tried switching servers  to see if it makes a difference but it seems to appear regardless of the server used
[19:25] <the_pleiadian> forgot to mention this happens at booting for me with the keyfile
[19:27] <maddawg2> ok i am not sure what fixed it but now it's working
[19:28] <maddawg2> which then leads me to another question... i installed mariadb-server and normally it's suppose to ask me to set up a root password but it didnt
[19:28] <iresf> anyone know on ubuntu 14.04.3    android studio or  especially java process take 100% cpu to build your sync project  ?
[19:31] <maddawg2> ok screw it.. not gonna use ubuntu anymore this is crazy
[19:32] <maddawg2> nothing but errors and no time to sort it out
[19:32] <ericsysmin> why?
[19:32] <maddawg2> going to debian
[19:32] <ericsysmin> ubuntu = great
[19:32] <maddawg2> at least that i know works
[19:32] <ericsysmin> what errors?
[19:32] <maddawg2> dont feel like going through it
[19:32] <maddawg2> been working on it for 2 hours now
[19:32] <ericsysmin> been running it for more than 10 years
[19:32] <maddawg2> and this is a FRESH install
[19:32] <ericsysmin> without problems
[19:33] <maddawg2> i had too with older version
[19:33] <ericsysmin> what version? and what's the problem
[19:33] <maddawg2> nvm you're late
[19:33] <ericsysmin> k
[19:33] <maddawg2> it's hours long to explain
[19:33] <ericsysmin> if something is hours long to explain, you're not doing a very good job explaining it.
[19:33] <maddawg2> ok whatever
[19:34] <maddawg2> if you didnt just get here then you'd know
[19:34] <maddawg2> but since you just got here you dont
[19:34] <Pici> maddawg2: good luck with debian.
[19:34] <maddawg2> so dont worry about it
[19:34] <ericsysmin> k, good luck
[19:34] <maddawg2> i'm already annoyed that none of my scripts work in the new version of ubuntu too
[19:34] <maddawg2> systemd changes and the whole network card renaming thing
[19:35] <tgm4883> maddawg2: this is the support channel, not a channel for running commentary
[19:35] <maddawg2> i did ask for help
[19:35] <tgm4883> maddawg2: exactly
[19:35]  * mpmc grabs popcorn.
[19:35] <maddawg2> and i got none
[19:35] <ericsysmin> anyone here have a good suggested location of a custom service, i need it to support upstart, and systemd, we already have an init.d script, but want to make sure service also respawns on failure
[19:36] <ericsysmin> ok, so what's the question on renaming your network card
[19:36] <tgm4883> maddawg2: look, if you want to go use Debian then go do it. It's really no big deal to us.
[19:36] <maddawg2> there is no question on renaming it
[19:36] <gtrmtx> hey, so im running the instructions from https://gogs.io/docs/installation/install_from_binary when i cd into gogs and try ./gogs web it says no such file or directory, even though gogs is listed when i ls...whats going on?
[19:36] <tgm4883> maddawg2: but we really don't need you to clog up the channel
[19:36] <maddawg2> it's the fact that all my scripts look at a particular naming convention that no longer exists without me renaming the network cards
[19:36] <ericsysmin> ./gogs will load the file itself , essentially executing it
[19:36] <maddawg2> which defeats the purpose of automating it so i'd have to redo all my scripts to make it work with the new "ens" crap
[19:37] <ericsysmin> so if gogs doesn't exist then it will give you that error
[19:37] <Pici> maddawg2: you can disable the predictive naming thing.
[19:37] <hggdh> grep Atrelus
[19:37] <gtrmtx> but gogs does exist?
[19:37] <maddawg2> so when i asked yesterday and everyone said i couldnt disable that they were wrong?
[19:37] <iresf> ubuntu can never debian
[19:37] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: is it marked as executable?
[19:38] <gtrmtx> in putty it would show up as green right?
[19:38] <gtrmtx> if so then yes
[19:38] <ericsysmin> do a ls -lart
[19:38] <ericsysmin> -rwxr-xr-x should show up
[19:38] <ericsysmin> or similar
[19:38] <gtrmtx> -rwxr-xr-x  1 1000 1000 24963622 Sep  1 06:19 gogs
[19:38] <gtrmtx> so yeah
[19:38] <ericsysmin> and you did `./gogs web`
[19:39] <gtrmtx> yep
[19:39] <ericsysmin> try just gogs web
[19:39] <ericsysmin> without the `./`
[19:39] <gtrmtx> no command gogs found
[19:40] <gtrmtx> whats frustrating is that it was working
[19:40] <Pici> maddawg2: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/628217/use-of-predictable-network-interface-names-with-alternate-kernels , the first answer has a bunch of options on how to do this... I'm sorry I'm not sure which option Ubuntu uses right now, I haven't done a fresh install in a while.
[19:40] <gtrmtx> typing ./gogs web
[19:40] <tgm4883> maddawg2: a quick search suggests using net.ifnames=0
[19:40] <ericsysmin> give me a sec
[19:40] <gtrmtx> k
[19:40] <gtrmtx> thx btw
[19:40] <tgm4883> http://askubuntu.com/a/801310
[19:41] <Pici> tgm4883: ah, thats a better one to save.
[19:41] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: worked for me
[19:41] <ericsysmin> what's your pwd
[19:41] <gtrmtx> pwd?
[19:41] <ericsysmin> type pwd in
[19:42] <ericsysmin> (present working directory)
[19:42] <maddawg2> well the network card isnt the issue so much right this second because this vm isnt going to need those, but i've been having errors with the package manager and my OS crashing right after a fresh install
[19:42] <maddawg2> i keep gettign unexepcted error popups
[19:42] <maddawg2> wants me to send error reports
[19:42] <maddawg2> gnome crashes
[19:42] <gtrmtx> `/var/www/gogs/`
[19:42] <maddawg2> and the software cetner crashes
[19:43] <tgm4883> maddawg2: you either want help here or you are moving to debian. Please stop teasing us
[19:43] <maddawg2> ?
[19:43] <ericsysmin> and you see these right? in /var/www/gogs/: gogs  LICENSE  public  README.md  README_ZH.md  scripts  templates
[19:43] <maddawg2> you just asked me something and i responded
[19:43] <ekarakoc> @search mari ruti
[19:43] <gtrmtx> LICENSE  README.md  README_ZH.md  gogs  public  scripts  templates
[19:43] <maddawg2> not sure what you mean by "teasing"
[19:44] <tgm4883> maddawg2: we didn't ask you anything
[19:44] <_antrix_> Hi, I wanted to use the sim card WWAN on hp elitebook 8440p. I dont know how to configure it on ubuntu 16.04
[19:44] <maddawg2> you're right you responded with how to disable the autonaming
[19:44] <maddawg2> but that's not even the problem i'm having
[19:44] <maddawg2> that was an aside note
[19:44] <tgm4883> maddawg2: and by teasing, I mean you already said you didn't want help and that you were moving to Debian. So please stop clogging up the channel and just do it already
[19:44] <maddawg2> i never said i didnt want help
[19:44] <ekarakoc> @search mari ruti
[19:45] <maddawg2> i said i wasnt getting help
[19:45] <maddawg2> there's a difference
[19:45] <nicomachus> ekarakoc: what are you trying to do?
[19:45] <vfw> gtrmtx: What are you trying to do?
[19:45] <nicomachus> heh
[19:45] <maddawg2> the help being provided obviously wasnt working
[19:45] <tgm4883> 11:31 AM <maddawg2> ok screw it.. not gonna use ubuntu anymore this is crazy
[19:45] <maddawg2> i mean it's literally a FRESH os how can there be so many problems?
[19:45] <maddawg2> on 3 seperate machines
[19:45] <gtrmtx> im trying to init gogs
[19:45] <nicomachus> maddawg2: probably an issue with the original installation image
[19:45] <nicomachus> or medium
[19:45] <maddawg2> the md5 checks out
[19:46] <maddawg2> so maybe it's messed up on ubuntu's site?
[19:46] <vfw> gtrmtx: what is gogs?
[19:46] <tgm4883> maddawg2: user error then?
[19:46] <_antrix_> Hi, I wanted to use the sim card WWAN on hp elitebook 8440p. I dont know how to configure it on ubuntu 16.04
[19:46] <nicomachus> but if the USB drive is bad, or a bad disc.
[19:46] <gtrmtx> vfw, gui for git
[19:46] <maddawg2> tgm4883, or i think doing sudo apt-get upgrade broke it
[19:46] <gtrmtx> think internal github
[19:46] <Pici> maddawg2: If the option I gave you fixes the apt issue, the actuall issue suggests that theres something weird with your internet connection. some sort of proxying is going on with a server that does not support http pipelining.
[19:46] <tgm4883> maddawg2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
[19:46] <maddawg2> because as i said it was a fresh setup and i made it to desktop
[19:46] <ericsysmin> http://pastebin.com/mXXKXKMj
[19:46] <maddawg2> as soon as i ran that it broke everything
[19:46] <vfw> gtrmtx: Ok, I don't know about gogs
[19:46] <maddawg2> 3rd time in a row
[19:47] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: try that
[19:47] <maddawg2> i mean the older ubuntu installs fine
[19:47] <nicomachus> maddawg2: what version of ubuntu are you installing?
[19:47] <maddawg2> i was trying to do 16.04LTS
[19:47] <nicomachus> 64 bit or 32?
[19:47] <maddawg2> i have 14.04 and 15.04 both working
[19:47] <maddawg2> 64-bit
[19:47] <nicomachus> 15.04 is EOL
[19:47] <tgm4883> maddawg2: is it more likely that apt upgrade broke it and that you are the only one that bothered to report the issue here, or that there is some sort of hardware/user error?
[19:47] <maddawg2> i know
[19:47] <maddawg2> thats why i'm trying to do 16.04
[19:48] <maddawg2> i'm upgrading my stuff on the older versions to the newest
[19:48] <nicomachus> wait
[19:48] <nicomachus> upgrading or a fresh install?
[19:48] <gtrmtx> ericsysmin, thats basically what i did, except i did tar -zxvf
[19:48] <maddawg2> but upgrading it from 15.04 to 16.04 broke it
[19:48] <maddawg2> so i did a fresh install
[19:48] <maddawg2> and that isnt working either
[19:48] <maddawg2> nicomachus, tried both got different problems with both
[19:48] <Nesty> hello
[19:48] <vfw> maddawg2: You can't upgrade from 15.04 to 16.04
[19:48] <nicomachus> ^ right
[19:48] <maddawg2> which i discovered
[19:49] <maddawg2> hence why i'm trying to do a fresh install
[19:49] <nicomachus> and to do a fresh install then, you would have to completely write over the disk or create a new partition for it. are you doing that?
[19:49] <maddawg2> and that installed
[19:49] <vfw> maddawg2: Good.
[19:49] <maddawg2> but as soon as i did sudo apt-get upgrade it broke
[19:49] <gtrmtx> wait
[19:49] <maddawg2> now i get to desktop and i get system crashes
[19:49] <gtrmtx> i think i may know what i did
[19:49] <nicomachus> maddawg2: did you check the sources.list before upgrading?
[19:49] <tgm4883> maddawg2: ok, so you do a fresh install. That works. You then do an 'apt-get upgrade' and it breaks. What does "it breaks" mean?
[19:49] <gtrmtx> let me test y theory
[19:49] <gtrmtx> my*
[19:49] <vfw> maddawg2: what error do you get from sudo apt-get upgrade?
[19:49] <maddawg2> tgm4883, i get unexpected errors and gnome crashes
[19:50] <maddawg2> i dont get an error with the command in fact it appears to work
[19:50] <maddawg2> but then after i reboot things wont open
[19:50] <maddawg2> and gnome crashes
[19:50] <maddawg2> and i get unexpected errors and it wants me to send system reports
[19:50] <tgm4883> maddawg2: gnome crashes or unity crashes?
[19:50] <vfw> maddawg2: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:50] <maddawg2> gnome is what the error said
[19:51] <maddawg2> i pasted the error a bit ago... i 'd have to find it
[19:51] <maddawg2> i dont have it up right this second
[19:51] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: ok, let me know
[19:52] <nicomachus> maddawg2: you did a fresh install and then immediately apt-get upgrade? no apt-get update first?
[19:52] <maddawg2> nicomachus, no i did sudo apt-get update too
[19:52] <vfw> maddawg2: What errors do you get?
[19:52] <maddawg2> besides taking an abnormal amount of time sudo apt-get update worked
[19:52] <maddawg2> vfw i got no error when i did either
[19:53] <maddawg2> the errors came after the upgrade completyed
[19:53] <vfw> maddawg2: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:53] <vfw> maddawg2: See if it finishes without errors
[19:53] <maddawg2> it does
[19:53] <maddawg2> it has
[19:53] <maddawg2> but the OS crashes
[19:53] <gtrmtx> ericsysmin, figured it out...im dumb
[19:53] <maddawg2> the erros are all in the gUI
[19:54] <maddawg2> not in the command
[19:54] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: what was it? I am curious
[19:54] <gtrmtx> i was trying to use 32 bit and i needed 64 bit
[19:54] <maddawg2> after i ran those is when it errored out
[19:54] <ericsysmin> gtrmtx: ah, that would cause it
[19:54] <gtrmtx> i thought 64 bit machines could run 32 bit programs though?
[19:54] <maddawg2> as ui mentioned.. software center reefuses to open
[19:54] <vfw> gtrmtx: They can.
[19:54] <vfw> gtrmtx: When or if it is necessary.
[19:54] <maddawg2> and just randomly with nothing running i get unexpected system errors and it asks for me to send a report
[19:54] <maddawg2> i had like 40 of those pop up
[19:55] <tgm4883> maddawg2: you keep saying the OS is crashing, but keep mentioning errors regarding gnome. Sounds like a few things in gnome aren't working right. So let me ask you this. Is it currently installed and (as you call it) broken?
[19:55] <gtrmtx> but bash wouldnt run when i had the 32 bit version
[19:55] <gtrmtx> i HAD to use the 64 bit
[19:55] <ericsysmin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/454253/how-to-run-32-bit-app-in-ubuntu-64-bit
[19:55] <maddawg2> tgm4883, yes i get unexpected errors and it needs to send a report
[19:55] <xentity1x> Hi, I'm having a problem where I'm trying to ssh in to a remote machine. I'm testing on two different machines: one local the other a digital ocean vm. I am successful with the digital ocean vm but the my local one times out. What gives?
[19:55] <ericsysmin> you need the packages to process 32bit code
[19:55] <maddawg2> then i get a crash referring to gnome
[19:55] <maddawg2> two different messages
[19:55] <tgm4883> maddawg2: ok, when you installed, you said this is a fresh install not an upgrade. Did you wipe your home directory?
[19:55] <nicomachus> xentity1x: the local one should use a local ip, the droplet should use an external ip
[19:55] <maddawg2> and also the machine freezes up
[19:56] <maddawg2> yes it's a whole new VM
[19:56] <maddawg2> nothing on it at all
[19:56] <nicomachus> xentity1x: so the same ssh command won't work from both
[19:56] <vfw> xentity1x: Sounds like a network problem.  Can you ping it?
[19:56] <maddawg2> no home directory to write over
[19:56] <maddawg2> interestingly i just installed ubuntu on my vmware esxi server and did all that it works
[19:56] <maddawg2> if i move it to hyperv it does not
[19:56] <maddawg2> or rather if i install it on hyper-v
[19:56] <nicomachus> maddawg2: this is VM???
[19:56] <maddawg2> yes
[19:56] <tgm4883> maddawg2: and did you install the hyper-v stuff?
[19:56] <nicomachus> you completely failed to mention that.
[19:57] <maddawg2> no i didnt
[19:57] <tgm4883> (I'm assuming there is hyper-v stuff to be installed)
[19:57] <g2> omg the hls :P
[19:57] <maddawg2> i said it was awhile ago
[19:57] <maddawg2> i also tried to install it directly to a dell desktop tho with no vm and had same issue
[19:57] <maddawg2> as what i had in hyper-v
[19:57] <maddawg2> but if i do it in vmware esxi it's fine and works as intended
[19:58] <vfw> xentity1x: If you can ping the IP address ok, see if it is answering to port 22.  namp -p 22 192.168.x.x
[19:58] <tgm4883> maddawg2: ok, so ESXi works fine and Hyper-V and some dell desktop it breaks?
[19:58] <maddawg2> two dell desktops yes
[19:58] <maddawg2> and hyper-v
[19:58] <maddawg2> Dell Optiplex 7010 and Dell Optiplex 7040
[19:59] <tgm4883> maddawg2: see this is good information to have.
[19:59] <maddawg2> but the vm is on an HP server... gotta check the exact model
[19:59] <maddawg2> well i explained this all at the begining of my problem
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> maddawg2  several hours ago... people have left and others entered in the mean time
[20:00] <xentity1x> vfw, i actually cant ping it from either
[20:00] <tgm4883> maddawg2: that's all fine and everything, but it would really help if you had typed this out in a single concise statement, that way when new people enter it's easy to refer back to
[20:00] <vfw> xentity1x: Sounds like a network problem.
[20:01] <xentity1x> nicomachus, sorry i dont understand. I was actually able to ssh in from my local an hour ago. Then the connection froze and I was unable to reconnect.
[20:01] <vfw> xentity1x: If you can not ping it, you will not be able to establish a secure shell with it.
[20:02] <xentity1x> vfw, why would i be able to ssh in from the digital ocean vm but not be able to ping it?
[20:02] <vfw> xentity1x: Different network maybe?
[20:02] <tgm4883> xentity1x: where is the server you are trying to SSH to?
[20:03] <tgm4883> vfw: also, lots of places block ping, so that may not really be a good test
[20:03] <xentity1x> tgm4883, it's on a university campus.
[20:03] <vfw> tgm4883: nmap then
[20:03] <tgm4883> xentity1x: maybe your IP is banned
[20:04] <nicomachus> xentity1x: ahhh... on a university campus that can be tricky. they may not have port forwarding set up, might be blocking IPs from droplets, who knows.
[20:04] <ericsysmin> if I had a shell script that i used to use as an init script, but now want it to work for systemd and upstart as well, where should I put it /usr/sbin/ or /etc/init.d?
[20:04] <vfw> xentity1x: nmap -p 22 ip.add.ress.here
[20:04] <nicomachus> ericsysmin: give this a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[20:05] <jbo> Hi there -- I have a problem with my gfx drivers that blanks the screen during boot. I need to get to a terminal-only boot which has networking support so that I can install/reinstall stuff through apt. I'm using "text systemd.unit=multi-user.target nomodeset" on the kernel command-line in grub, but it's still starting X. What am I missing?
[20:06] <jbo> augh, must have mis-typed -- it just worked :P
[20:06] <nicomachus> jbo: hit Alt+F1-F6 for a TTY
[20:07] <vfw> xentity1x: nmap -P0 -p 22 ip.add.ress.here  #If you suspect ping is blocked
[20:07] <jbo> nicomachus: working now, but for reference, whatever was breaking gfx was completely disabling the monitor, even for ttys (modesetting, most likely)
[20:08] <vfw> !nomodeset | jbo
[20:08] <vfw> jbo: But, you can't even get a console tty?
[20:08] <jbo> vfw: not in a normal boot, no.
[20:09] <vfw> jbo: I dono then
[20:09] <jbo> I've got one now - I think that in the kernel CLI I tried "systemctl" not "systemd" -- saw the mistake when I re-typed it here.
[20:10] <ericsysmin> nicomachus: found my answer here http://askubuntu.com/questions/308045/differences-between-bin-sbin-usr-bin-usr-sbin-usr-local-bin-usr-local
[20:12] <WeiJunLi> qemu users?
[20:12] <akik> !ask | WeiJunLi
[20:13] <WeiJunLi> akik: im trying to run qemu vm manually but cant figure out what's missing, http://dpaste.com/1KCS9ZM
[20:21] <tomreyn> WeiJunLi: is this a syntax your shell or quemu-system-x86_64 understand? qemu-system-x86_64 []string{"..."}
[20:22] <WeiJunLi> tomreyn: yes
[20:22] <tomreyn> i woiuld expect it to only accept dash type characters
[20:22] <tomreyn> i woiuld expect it to only accept dash type parameters
[20:22] <WeiJunLi> you can take the []string syntax and just keep with the {...}
[20:22] <WeiJunLi> the output is the same
[20:22] <WeiJunLi> as you can see on the log the output is directly from qemu
[20:23] <tomreyn> sure, it just doesn't understadn the parameters
[20:23] <tomreyn> possibly due to shell expansion
[20:24] <WeiJunLi> what do you mean by shell expansion?
[20:25] <tomreyn> hmm ignore that, i was mistaken
[20:26] <tomreyn> still, if it doesn't work as expected, i'd try with just dash based parameter syntax
[20:27] <rektide_> i added a keyring into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, and now all my repos in apt tell me GPG error: At least one invalid signature encountered. How can I debug this? :/
[20:28] <Younder> Startup shell code under /etc/init.d uses dash which has  posix shell suntax, yes.
[20:29] <zartarr> anyone know what DEV=/dev/mmcblk0 means?
[20:30] <Younder> Looks like a SD card driver
[20:32] <akik> zartarr: that sets the shell variable DEV
[20:32] <tomreyn> WeiJunLi: so my suggestion is to try this http://pastebin.com/raw/Nki5r1kb
[20:38] <WeiJunLi> tomreyn: just a sec, some connection issues
[20:38] <WeiJunLi> pretty slow connection
[20:38] <Younder> It's RasPi that by default boots from a SD card. so it would seem more natural there.
[20:44] <rektide_> zartarr, Younder: onboard NAND ("flash" memory) can also appear as /dev/mmcblk devices, but yeah, most often seen is just a SD card
[20:48] <jon2> royal mail delivery of lost penis pump and 10 playboy magazines, dax did you lost in heathrow airport? retweet @team drpeater said funch and dax share same penis pump?
[20:48] <jon2> :D
[20:48] <jon2> haha
[20:49] <nicomachus> !ops | jon2
[20:49] <jon2> royal mail delivery of lost penis pump and 10 playboy magazines, dax did you lost in heathrow airport? retweet @team drpeater said funch and dax share same penis pump?
[20:49] <jon2> nicomachus: ops!
[20:49] <jon2> :D
[20:49] <jon2> nicomachus: did u share it too?
[20:49] <OerHeks> kiddo, please move to an other network than #freenode, thanks
[20:49] <jon2> royal mail delivery of lost penis pump and 10 playboy magazines, dax did you lost in heathrow airport? retweet @team drpeater said funch and dax share same penis pump?
[20:49] <jon2> :D
[20:50] <nicomachus> thanks dax
[20:55] <c0ff33> Hi, someone has experience with Ubuntu on Samsung np740u3e with discrete GPU?
[20:56] <popey> c0ff33: unlikely
[20:56] <popey> oh, maybe :)
[20:56] <popey> c0ff33: any specific issue?
[20:57] <c0ff33> popey: actually I want to disable this useless piece of crap...
[20:57] <c0ff33> but there is no hardware switch/bios setting to this
[20:57] <c0ff33> *to do this
[20:57] <popey> yeah, I don't know how you can do that either, sorry.
[20:58] <c0ff33> Think it's time for new laptop...
[20:58] <popey> there's a setting you can flip on boot, you could try that though
[20:58] <popey> radeon.modeset=0 on the grub command line
[20:59] <popey> basically edit /etc/default/grub and add the above to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[20:59] <popey> worth a try
[20:59] <c0ff33> Thank you very much
[20:59] <c0ff33> I will check in a moment
[21:00] <deco_> Any suggestions to VPN service
[21:00] <popey> deco_: i use lantern
[21:01] <popey> https://getlantern.org/
[21:01] <vfw> deco_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[21:02] <OerHeks> popey, c0ff33 if nomodeset does not do the trick, try runpm >> http://askubuntu.com/a/780967
[21:03] <c0ff33> Will report on results in a second
[21:03] <c0ff33> Hope that this crap will stop draining my battery
[21:03] <c0ff33> OerHeks: Thanks
[21:03] <nicomachus> deco_: here's a nice, handy comparison chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FJTvWT5RHFSYuEoFVpAeQjuQPU4BVzbOigT0xebxTOw/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0
[21:04] <nicomachus> deco_: sorry, apparently it moved: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/
[21:06] <matej_> hi guys, I have only ubuntu installed on my HDD.. now I want to format HDD and install win7 only but my USB liveCD with win7 is not recognised .. do I need something to do before installing win7?
[21:06] <Exterminador> guys i've added a ppa via sudo add-apt-repositiory. now how do i do the reverse? to remove it?
[21:07] <nicomachus> !ppa-purge | Exterminador
[21:08] <Exterminador> nicomachus, thks
[21:08] <nicomachus> matej_: you'll have to shut down the machine and then boot into the live USB
[21:08] <nicomachus> matej_: and after that, you'll have to ask the #windows guy, because you won't be on Ubuntu anymore.
[21:08] <matej_> nicomachus, yes, but it is not recognised
[21:08] <nicomachus> what do you mean it's not recognized?
[21:08] <nicomachus> you can't boot from the USB?
[21:08] <c0ff33> popey: radeon.modeset apparentlly worked
[21:09] <matej_> nicomachus, when I press to boot the USB, it wont do that.. i can only boot to ubuntu grub
[21:09] <c0ff33> popey: will check effect on battery life, thank you
[21:10] <nicomachus> matej_: is this UEFI or legacy boot?
[21:10] <stefg> matej_: so you have to check your bios/uefi settings to boot from usb, and make sure that the usb thumbdrive is actually bootable.
[21:11] <matej_> nicomachus, UEFI i think... i will try legacy but dont know if CSM enabled or disabled?
[21:11] <matej_> stefg, hot to check if its bootable?
[21:12] <stefg> matej_: the simplest method would be to try it on another machine...
[21:12] <matej_> stefg, im gonna try that, thx
[21:13] <Guest7114> doh
[21:15] <popey> c0ff33: wow! good news
[21:17]  * deco_ munched all my bandwidth
[21:18]  * deco_ for all we know it was 400 pound haxhor
[21:18] <matej_> stefg, dont work, but in windows, it shows "autoplay" and "install" option so I can install from the system but not after rebooting.-- I used unetbootin to create liveUSB, is there any other program to make liveUSB?
[21:21] <nicomachus>  rufus
[21:21] <nicomachus> or the ubuntu "Startup Disk Creator"
[21:22] <matej_> nicomachus, thx, i try rufus
[21:23] <OerHeks> unetbootin can make issues indeed, try rufus, or etcher universal mac pc http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[21:23] <stefg> matej_:  unetbootin might have problems  able to make a *windows* bootable stick. I'd search the web/ask windows guys how to properly make a win7 bootable installer usb-stick ..
[21:23] <OerHeks> etcher might work for win isos too
[21:24] <OerHeks> no negative feedback up to now
[21:24] <akik> matej_: you can create the win7 usb stick in ubuntu with these commands https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/how-to-create-a-bootable-windows-7-usb-stick-in-linux/
[21:24] <OerHeks> (for win iso)
[21:25] <stefg> BTW... in reality i'd not install win7 to bare metal anymore, except maybe for a 'wintendo'
[21:26] <matej_> thx guys, i try rufus and then in case it wont work out, ill try other methods
[21:26] <matej_> stefg, why?
[21:27] <xentity1x> I'm trying to run a command when i login into an ssh shell using the -t command line option: ssh server -t "workon keras_projects". I get the error bash: workon: command not found. Anyone know why? If I try to execute the commmand manually after login it works.
[21:28] <allemanm> jo
[21:28] <stefg> matej_: because i find (not surprisingly) linux in general and espesially ubuntu to be the far better OS... but your mileage may vary. and beauty is in the eye of the beholder..
[21:29] <allemanm> what ist his?
[21:29] <allemanm> just joined linux
[21:29] <stefg> !topic
[21:29] <akik> allemanm: what is what?
[21:29] <allemanm> hex chat
[21:29] <allemanm> just a communication tool?
[21:29] <allemanm> to talk to strangers?
[21:30] <akik> allemanm: how did you manage to join this channel if you don't know what irc is?
[21:30] <allemanm> haha
[21:30] <allemanm> uhm
[21:30] <akik> allemanm: this is a volunteer support channel for ubuntu
[21:30] <Pici> akik: it joins here by default.
[21:30] <akik> Pici: what joins here?
[21:31] <Pici> akik: hexchat
[21:31] <akik> Pici: oh ok
[21:31] <deco_> theosophical* eww
[21:31] <xentity1x> I'm trying to run a command when i login into an ssh shell using the -t command line option: ssh server -t "workon keras_projects". I get the error bash: workon: command not found. Anyone know why? If I try to execute the commmand manually after login it works.
[21:31] <allemanm> i just clicked join
[21:32] <matej_> stefg, yes ubuntu is great system but my network card is not friend with linux and I have lot of problems with wifi and ethernet connection
[21:32] <matej_> stefg, so after 6 months on ubuntu im forced to go windows :(
[21:35] <stefg> matej_:  yeah, common problem. If you intend to run linux make sure you have hardware that works with it. Get a thinkpad or some ubuntu/linux preinstalled machine. I'm p*ssed by the situation e.g. with the ALX-driver as well.. But i rather change hardware than the OS
[21:39]  * deco_ thinks its the comrade fatueges
[21:40] <stefg> xentity1x: so it's the environment.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/216202/why-does-an-ssh-remote-command-get-fewer-environment-variables-then-when-run-man
[21:43] <stefg> xentity1x: try making a "proxy-script" in your home dir that just contains that command /but with the full path/ to your 'workon' script
[21:47] <Slown> Hi guys
[21:47] <Slown> can someone tell me what's the differences between lts version and debian ?
[21:47] <stefg> !debian
[21:48] <Slown> what kernel is used with ubuntu 16.04 lts please ?
[21:48] <Slown> the latest please
[21:48] <stefg> uname -a
[21:48] <stefg> Linux alpha 4.4.0-53-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 15:59:10 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:49] <Slown> thanks stefg
[21:49] <baraba> is ti possible to update openssl on 16.04 lts to >= 1.1.0 version
[21:49] <nicomachus> baraba: probably not, 16.10 is only on 1.0.2g
[21:50] <Slown> what DE are supported on the LTS version ?
[21:50] <nicomachus> baraba: backport on that is going to take awhile
[21:50] <deco_> is ubuntu a debian distro, whats so special about debian
[21:50] <nicomachus> Slown: all kinds
[21:50] <knittel> i've got a prob
[21:50] <deco_> I wont fussle around.
[21:50] <nicomachus> deco_: see the factoid above. Ubuntu is built on the foundation of debian
[21:50] <baraba> debian testing already has 1.1.0, nicomachus
[21:50] <OerHeks> !flavors
[21:50] <knittel> i cant install plasma 5.6 on ubuntu 16.04 :(
[21:50] <knittel> 32 bits
[21:50] <nicomachus> baraba: and that's fine, ubuntu doesn't.
[21:51] <deco_> u used to be drawn to debian first server enviroment
[21:51] <Slown> Is php7 supported by ubuntu 16.04
[21:51] <deco_> maybee!
[21:51] <Slown> ?
[21:51] <OerHeks> Slown, yes
[21:51] <Pici> Slown: yes, its in the repositories.
[21:51] <Slown> official ?
[21:51] <knittel> hello oerheks
[21:51] <Slown> or backport
[21:51] <tgm4883> Slown: do you have a support question? These aren't really support questions
[21:51] <OerHeks> see the releasenotes
[21:51] <nicomachus> !info php7 | Slown
[21:51] <Pici> tgm4883: sure they are.
[21:52] <nicomachus> err...
[21:52] <knittel> ubuntu not compatible with a certain "telepathy"?
[21:52] <Slown> exist or not ?
[21:52] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
[21:52] <nicomachus> !info php7.0 | Slown
[21:52] <Pici> !info php xenial
[21:52] <tgm4883> Pici: eh, if you say so
[21:52]  * deco_ looking console tweeks for "irssi"   
[21:52] <Pici> deco_: you may want to ask #irssi then
[21:52] <nicomachus> deco_: check with #irssi
[21:53] <deco_> pici, Ty.
[21:53] <Slown> that's a great news
[21:53] <Slown> so it's supported
[21:53] <Slown> thanks
[21:53] <knittel> install-kde-plasma-5-in-linux/
[21:53] <knittel> i want to do this but it wont
[21:54] <nicomachus> knittel: is it giving you a specific error?
[21:54] <knittel> does the terminal keep the "history"?
[21:54] <Slown> so is it better to go with an LTS version or an ordinary one ?
[21:54] <deco_> knittel, sometimes
[21:54] <Slown> I'm using ubuntu for web stuff
[21:54]  * deco_ der#
[21:54] <nicomachus> knittel: yes, in .bash_history
[21:54] <knittel> yes always it cant install something wich is called "telepathy" something
[21:55] <stefg> !LTS | Slown
[21:55] <knittel> its quite a lot of time, so i need to start all over
[21:55] <Slown> stefg, LTS is better ?
[21:55] <\9_> knittel: it's a known issue, you need to run a few commands for it to work
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> knittel  looks like you need a ppa http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[21:55] <nicomachus> LTS is better if you want a more stable system that will work for awhile without a lot of updating
[21:55] <\9_> MonkeyDust: no the dependencies are screwed up
[21:55] <Slown> ok
[21:55] <\9_> MonkeyDust: has been since 16.04 and ubuntu still hasn't bothered to fix it
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> o
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> ok
[21:55] <knittel> ok, tx and i need to uninstall the other 1st?
[21:56] <knittel> or simply "overinstall it?
[21:56] <nicomachus> \9_: is there a bug report?
[21:56] <\9_> try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/621284/unmet-dependencies-when-trying-to-install-kde-plasma-5-3-on-ubuntu-15-04
[21:56] <bokrass> Hello everyone !
[21:56] <Slown> unity or xfce ?
[21:57] <deco_> hi bokrass
[21:57] <Slown> who is the most friendly
[21:57] <stefg> Slown: for Joe Average i'd say yes. If you don't need the bleeding edge (and don't like to bleed) stay with LTS. the in between versions only have 9 months of support...
[21:57] <\9_> nicomachus: i surely expect there to be for the inability to install kde for the past 1.5 years
[21:57] <nicomachus> Slown: that's user-preference
[21:57] <Slown> who is more stable ?
[21:57] <deco_> bokrass you got a question.?
[21:57] <nicomachus> \9_: haha, just making sure. you never know...
[21:57] <knittel> thanx all, i go 2 check it out
[21:57] <\9_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728
[21:57] <stefg> Slown: as you've guessed the LTS versions
[21:57] <nicomachus> Slown: it's personal preference. both are stable. up to you.
[21:57]  * deco_ ask's
[21:57] <tomreyn> hi bokrass
[21:58]  * deco_ munched my bandwidth
[21:58] <Slown> xfce is much lighter ?
[21:58] <bokrass> Tech question: why is udev reading rootfs's /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and not Systemd's set ? (/etc/systemd/network) ?
[21:58] <Slown> right ?
[21:58] <nicomachus> yes
[21:58] <Slown> yeah and what about the minimal edition
[21:59] <nicomachus> deco_: if you don't have an ubuntu question, then please stop clogging the channel with pointless statements.
[21:59] <bokrass> (inredible this place is by far the most animated chan )
[21:59] <Slown> LTS version
[21:59]  * stefg chuckles at nicomachus' comment... Not everything declared 'stable' by canonical is so in real life... but that's a different story
[21:59] <Slown> exists or not ?
[21:59] <nicomachus> stefg: you don't think Unity or xfce are stable....?
[21:59] <sintre> you can still upgrade lts , plus if you want go on to upgrade from there to newest idf you want
[21:59]  * deco_ nico ill run ubuntu past ghost.. sits back
[22:00] <Slown> who said that ?
[22:00] <Slown> stefg did you said that both of them aren't stable
[22:00] <akik> \9_: is that the problem when you try to install kde when you originally installed unity ?
[22:00] <\9_> akik: yes
[22:00] <nicomachus> Slown: they are stable. He's wrong.
[22:01] <Slown> so If I take the lts version
[22:01] <Slown> and when you compare that to the debian current stable
[22:01] <Slown> why the lts is more bleed edge
[22:01] <Slown> even with the lts stuff
[22:01] <\9> because ubuntu is not debian
[22:01] <Slown> did you notice that fox ?
[22:01] <nicomachus> Slown: Ubuntu is not going to be bleeding edge.
[22:02] <Slown> I mean more recent
[22:02] <Slown> that debian
[22:02] <Slown> I'm not talking about bleeding edge
[22:02] <nicomachus> yes, probably.
[22:02]  * deco_ mandriva!?
[22:02] <deco_> heh
[22:02] <Slown> \9 you agree on that ?
[22:02] <Slown> please argue my friend
[22:02] <jpmh> using lubuntu 14.4 - SOMETIMES when using LXTerminal with a bash shell, I am having issues with the set -o vi, which I have set in my profile.  The "editing" seems to have the cursor in the wrong place.  ANy ideas?
[22:02] <nicomachus> Slown: this is really a discussion for ##linux. You can come back here after you have Ubuntu installed.
[22:03] <\9> i don't understand what i'm supposed to argue about
[22:03] <Slown> yeah the guys on ##linux think that I'm trolling
[22:03] <nicomachus> he wants us to pick his setup for him, and that's not on-topic for this channel.
[22:03] <Slown> they said why are you trolling dude
[22:03] <tgm4883> nicomachus: apparently we allow this chat now...
[22:03] <Slown> we are going to kick your ass
[22:03] <Slown> I was pretty scared
[22:03] <Slown> I have to said that
[22:04] <tgm4883> Slown: what are you trying to do
[22:04] <nicomachus> tgm4883: until an op tells me that, I'll keep shoving people out that are off-topic. :)
[22:04] <knittel> it refuses to work, always an error code
[22:04] <tgm4883> nicomachus: ask Pici
[22:04] <stefg> Ok... to clear the confusion: All *released* versions of ubuntu are declared 'stable'. But experience shows that the ubuntu release quality is somewhat questionable given the little manpower and fixed release dates of new versions. In general it's always best to wait for the ".1" versions of any piece of software  if you are interested in stability
[22:04] <stefg> ... not only for ubuntu
[22:04] <Slown> tgm4883, I'm just talking man
[22:04] <tgm4883> stefg: that's always been the case for everything, it's not limited to software development
[22:05] <stefg> right
[22:05] <tgm4883> Slown: then maybe you want #ubuntu-discuss
[22:05] <bokrass> ...so any idea ?
[22:05] <OerHeks> stefg, proffesionally yes, you should wait for the point release, lts upgrade does that in ubuntu.
[22:06] <Slown> so what do we have
[22:06] <nicomachus> Slown: install whatever you think is best. We can't make that decision for you.
[22:07] <Slown> I know that
[22:07] <Slown> I'm just asking
[22:07] <knittel> hey, i have 16.04
[22:07] <tgm4883> Slown: please take this to #ubuntu-discuss
[22:07] <knittel> i still need to upgrade?
[22:07] <Slown> guys please follow me on #ubuntu-discuss
[22:08] <OverCoder> Hello everyone
[22:08] <Slown> free candy for you
[22:08] <Slown> xD
[22:08] <OverCoder> I'm building a package for my PPA
[22:08] <OverCoder> https://launchpad.net/~overcoder/+archive/ubuntu/hexchat
[22:08] <stefg> knittel: actually that's 16.04.1 after a dist-upgrade (so it comes in automatically)
[22:08] <OverCoder> The problem is that I uploaded a malformed upstream tarball accientally
[22:08] <OverCoder> Now, I've put the right upstream, I dumped the version in the changelog, built and uplaoded
[22:08] <OverCoder> It's refusing to build
[22:09] <OverCoder> File hexchat_2.12.4.orig.tar.xz already exists in HexChat, but uploaded version has different contents.
[22:09] <Slown> ubuntu budgie is it official guys ?
[22:09] <Slown> I really like the DE
[22:09] <OverCoder> The troubleshooting page only suggests using the old tarball
[22:09] <tgm4883> Slown: please take this to #ubuntu-discuss
[22:09] <Slown> ok
[22:09] <\9> knittel: 16.04 is the current lts so you'll be fine for the next 5 years
[22:10] <OerHeks> apt update & apt upgrade yes
[22:10] <nicomachus> apt full-upgrade* :D
[22:10] <knittel> Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
[22:10] <knittel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[22:10] <knittel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop_4%3a5.6.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_i386.deb
[22:10] <knittel> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:11] <knittel> this i always get
[22:11] <knittel> it doesnt install simply
[22:11] <knittel> also with -f
[22:11] <felix__> hola una chica para privado
[22:11] <nicomachus> !es | felix__
[22:11] <knittel> we donbt talk girls in here :)
[22:11] <nicomachus> knittel: try sudo dpkg -a --configure
[22:11] <knittel> or ubuntu is a chick?
[22:12] <OerHeks> knittel, you are linked to a bugreport
[22:12] <nicomachus> oh, right, that
[22:12] <knittel> so far i'm not nico
[22:12] <nicomachus> you're not what?
[22:12] <knittel> you can give the complete commandline please?
[22:12] <OerHeks> and ppa´s  are hard to support, perhaps #kubuntu knows the fix
[22:13] <bokrass> ok thanks anyway ... :/
[22:13] <knittel> kk, busy
[22:14] <knittel> lets see what happens
[22:14] <knittel> everything stays unconfigured
[22:15] <knittel> error in "configure" :)
[22:15] <knittel> grrr
[22:15]  * deco_ migrate to irssi
[22:15] <ad0uc> botkraf?
[22:17] <guest1110101> hello?
[22:17] <guest1110101> good this place is working again..
[22:17] <stefg> knittel: 'dpkg --configure -a' ?
[22:17] <knittel> Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
[22:17] <knittel>  kde-telepathy-minimal
[22:17] <knittel>  kubuntu-desktop
[22:17] <knittel>  kde-telepathy
[22:17] <knittel> i go to restart but i'm afraid it doesnt work (yet)
[22:19] <guest1110101> I'm experiencing am Issues with additional drivers hanging on applying changes.. I found a post that helped me locate the process I'd but that didn't help me do anything but reset things back to previously saved changes..what can I do about this?
[22:20] <guest1110101> when I located the process ID and killed it, I had to repeat the process of trying to switch drivers in software and updates..
[22:20] <guest1110101> this is my second try mind you.. first time I had to reinstall OS
[22:21] <nicomachus> guest1110101: which driver are you trying to install?
[22:21] <Slown> goodbye
[22:21] <guest1110101> 2nd time to change the driver I reset and it managed to change without corrupting my entire os..
[22:21] <stefg> guest1110101: we need more context
[22:21] <guest1110101> hmm I realized that I wanted the open source Nvidia driver.. not the proprietary
[22:21] <guest1110101> hold on..
[22:21] <guest1110101> lol chill
[22:22] <knittel_> ell tx anyway
[22:22] <knittel_> "well"
[22:22] <nicomachus> guest1110101: can you do it from terminal?
[22:22] <guest1110101> last time I tried I had poor lick.. killing it from the terminal worked though
[22:22] <nicomachus> that would give a more verbose output and give a better idea of the actual error.
[22:23] <guest1110101> I'm going to try and change the WiFi to on as well and get it to .. I'm on my phone.. that's a no go unless I can figure out how to configure this on my oc
[22:23] <guest1110101> 0c
[22:23] <guest1110101> p
[22:23] <guest1110101> c
[22:24] <guest1110101> so.. wifi processor and graphics..
[22:24] <knittel_> ?? i'm still here :)
[22:24] <guest1110101> it's hanging though
[22:24] <stefg> guest1110101: http://askubuntu.com/questions/12937/remove-nvidia-driver-and-go-back-to-nouveau
[22:24] <guest1110101> yeah go ahead knittel
[22:25] <OerHeks> guest1110101, what happens is that there is a big building process going on, please have 5 minutes patience, depending on machine specs
[22:25] <guest1110101> I've had poor luck with irc..forums.. everywhere.. everything I have I had to t8nker
[22:25] <guest1110101> tinkwr
[22:25] <guest1110101> fudge
[22:25] <OerHeks> so hanging, does caps shift work? then it is oke
[22:25] <dporton> u all lie to me oo noo wait what yes lol could it be ...?
[22:26] <guest1110101> dpnorton..what are you talking about..
[22:26] <guest1110101> if you require help please post in a way that someone can help you
[22:26] <Sean_McG> evening folks
[22:26] <dporton> evening
[22:27] <dporton> may the moon shine bright
[22:27] <guest1110101> I've helped before so if you rephrase I might be able to help you where others havent
[22:27] <guest1110101> I think I'm going to switch to Debian though.. ugh
[22:27] <dporton> guest1110101: it needs no rephrasing its a txt comix
[22:27] <dporton> :)
[22:27] <dporton> and ubuntu is nice
[22:28] <Sean_McG> ugh, Debian is stale out-of-the-box though
[22:28] <dporton> yush
[22:29] <dporton> better use ubuntu its good
[22:29] <guest1110101> this is a ubuntu irc.. of course that's what one might say.
[22:29] <dporton> I used debian
[22:29] <dporton> fedora
[22:29] <dporton> and mac server :D
[22:29] <guest1110101> red hat?
[22:29] <guest1110101> eh..
[22:29] <dporton> long time ago
[22:29] <dporton> also some IBM OS lol
[22:29] <guest1110101> I use what works.. I don't care what it is..
[22:29] <dporton> ubuntu is nice
[22:30] <Sean_McG> I used RH back before Fedora even existed
[22:30] <guest1110101> I've used all or most
[22:30] <sintre> puppy linux for the win!
[22:30] <krytarik> !ot
[22:30] <guest1110101> that's why this trivial issue is aggravating.. I'll trouble shoot myself like always.. thanks for trying I guess
[22:36]  * deco_ outie
[22:39] <gambl0re> how long does it take for disk analyzer usage to complete
[22:42] <Jordan_U> gambl0re: That depends on how many files you have and how fast your drive is. As a not-very-educated guess I'd say about 10 minutes for a "normal" root filesystem. Why do you ask?
[22:43] <gambl0re> cause its taking forever
[22:47] <BeautifulBash> How come my mouse wont grab in games properly? Im on the latest Gnome in Ubuntu. The only thing that works ingame is my track point
[22:47] <BeautifulBash> and even then, thats limited to the bounds of the game window, the cursor wont stay in the center
[22:54] <Jordan_U> BeautifulBash: What release of Ubuntu are you using?
[22:55] <BeautifulBash> Jordan_U, Ubuntu Gnome 16.10
[22:57] <BeautifulBash> its really odd, because the trackpoint works, but restircted by the bounds of the 3d window
[23:05] <Jordan_U> BeautifulBash: Please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:07] <BeautifulBash> Jordan_U, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23621168/
[23:07] <BeautifulBash>  cheers!
[23:12] <Jordan_U> BeautifulBash: Looks like you have a touchpad. You're saying that the cursor stays within the bounds of the game window when using the trackpoint, but not when using the touchpad? What about when using an external mouse?
[23:13] <BeautifulBash> Jordan_U, kinda, the touchpad works for a few cm of movement then abruptly stops, the trackpoint moves around fluidly but is restricted the the windows bounds. Il just test a mouse. Thanks!
[23:14] <Jordan_U> BeautifulBash: You're welcome. Whatever you do find please file a bug report about this.
[23:17] <BeautifulBash> Jordan_U, Sounds like a plan! Just plugged in a mouse and it works fine. Now the trackpoint stays grabbed within the window and functions as it should, but the touchpad doesnt work at all. I think my bets bet may be a bug report then
[23:18] <sintre> can you boot a live cd and see if that works
[23:18] <sintre> maybe a package downloaded or something caused settings to be changed
[23:20] <BeautifulBash> sintre, yeah when I've showered il give it a whirl and report back
[23:36] <The1whoEATS> is there a guide somewhere on doing full disk encryption install alongside windows?
[23:38] <sintre> https://scarygliders.net/2011/12/06/how-to-install-and-multi-boot-between-windows-and-debian-testing-with-full-disk-encryption/
[23:39] <sintre> use google many more guides, i'd read thru many before atemmpting
[23:42] <rizonz> oeh Ubuntu 15.10 has been a real pain on aplce where the sun never shines
[23:42] <Frozenlock> Did Ubuntu 16 change how the maximum number files is handled? It's as if my /etc/security/limits.conf isn't taken into account.
[23:43] <Frozenlock> I get the "too many open files" error :(
[23:57] <Deunome> Is anyone here farmiliar with Apache?
[23:57] <Deunome> familiar*
[23:59] <krytarik> Deunome: Try #httpd.
[23:59] <Deunome> Thanks krytarik