[01:26] <viewer|39947> hello, could some one please tell me,  where or how to find the (Package Installer) in Kubuntu 16.10
[01:28] <valorie> it's called muon
[01:28] <valorie> the gui frontend to apt on the commandline
[01:28] <valorie> viewer|39947: if you type alt+space and type muon, you can select it
[01:29] <valorie> or use your K menu
[01:30] <viewer|39947> it is not working,   I type  muon  in  run command  and  nothing apears
[01:31] <valorie> oh, perhaps you don't have it installed
[01:32] <valorie> you can use discover, I guess -- it is installed by default
[01:32] <valorie> so type discover instead
[01:32]  * valorie goes off to get some dinner
[01:33] <viewer|39947> maybe,  I'm new at this, I just installed kubuntu, and I have no idea, what I am doing, I a treully ppreciate your help
[01:34] <viewer|39947> I  had try to install,  (Opera)  thru discover,  but  it doesn't show it,
[01:36] <valorie> hmmm
[01:36] <valorie> !info opera
[01:37] <viewer|39947> I downloaded  opera,  and I"m trying to install it,
[01:37] <valorie> oh, from an outside source?
[01:37] <valorie> 1. not a good idea
[01:37] <viewer|39947> from  Operas wedsite
[01:37] <valorie> 2. I don't know how to do that
[01:37] <valorie> I have no clue
[01:38] <valorie> it's not a good idea to install anything outside of the archive
[01:39] <valorie> unless you know what you are doing
[01:39] <viewer|39947> ok,   tank you
[01:39] <viewer|39947> and nope,  I have no clue about kubuntu
[01:42] <viewer|39947> well,  thank you all for  your  help
[01:42] <viewer|39947> have a nice  night
[07:15] <hateball> I wonder when Chromium will get updated.... even Debian has newer packages
[07:15] <hateball> Even CentOS xD
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:26] <yossarianuk> I've noticed the adobe-flash plugin (for firefox) was bumped from 11.2.x -> 24 today - is anyone else getting constant segfaults from it ?
[14:29] <hateball> hmmm, I have 23alpha on my 16.04 install and that seemed to work at least. as well as flash works
[14:29] <hateball> have not tested 24 yet
[14:31] <BluesKaj> the new flashj p[lugin installed , but it's not working very well here
[14:32] <yossarianuk> for me I use it to listen to bbc radio and it randomly crashes frequently, the old version was stable (as can be)
[14:32] <yossarianuk> plugin-containe[8061]: segfault at 3694395873c4 ip 00007f526c1ff412 sp 00007ffe9f0a09d8 error 6 in libflashplayer.so[7f526bb8e000+107a000]
[14:32] <mgolden_> Taking forever to download too
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, no segfaulkts, but a lot of stuttering
[14:32] <mgolden_> Problem is, you can't not run the latest flash no matter what is wrong with it
[14:34] <yossarianuk> v24 is the latest version
[14:43] <yossarianuk> is the mms.cfg still used for flash plugin ?
[14:46] <gvandeweyer> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 16.10 on a dell laptop with docking station. My monitor setup is <ext1><ext2><laptop>, but every time I connect to the dock, I have to move the laptop from the left (default) to the right end of the monitor list
[14:47] <gvandeweyer> also, monitors are not deactivated on docking disconnect. Am I missing something to save the display configuration & enable automatic screen updates on (dis)connect ?
[14:48] <gvandeweyer> a workaround would be to have the mouse 'wrap around', if I move out of the right edge of the rightmost monitor, i'll end up on the left side of the left-most monitor. is this possible somehow?
[14:56] <yossarianuk> gvandeweyer: likely the issue is fixed in Plasma 5.8.x
[14:57] <yossarianuk> my only issue with kubuntu is not having latest plasma... it means running a desktop with known bugs in most of which will never be fixed in 16.10 lifetime (apart from when the backports PPA releases plasma5.8)
[15:00] <gvandeweyer> yossarianuk: so currently I can't upgrade to plasma 5.8 ?
[15:05] <yossarianuk> gvandeweyer: nope
[15:05] <gvandeweyer> bummer...
[15:05] <yossarianuk> I have it on my neon install and it is better...
[15:05] <yossarianuk> and a few serious issues fixed
[15:09] <gvandeweyer> ok. there seem to be some backport ppa's already: http://sourcedigit.com/21009-install-kde-plasma-5-8-on-ubuntu-16-04-and-linux-mint/
[15:09] <gvandeweyer> maybe I'll try them later
[15:12] <yossarianuk> gvandeweyer: the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports repo only has plasma 5.6.5 for 16.04  (nothing for 16.10 yet)
[15:13] <gvandeweyer> ah, didn't notice that
[15:13] <yossarianuk> but it will come out soon I imagine
[15:14] <yossarianuk> I was told after packages were built for 17.04
[15:14] <genii> Stuff doesn't usually get backported to interim releases with short support cycles, usually just to LTS
[15:15] <acheronuk> http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/
[15:18] <acheronuk> so plasma 5.8 updates for 16.04 and 16.10 have been done, and can be tested if you are prepared to be a guinea pig
[15:20] <gvandeweyer> acheronuk: how stable are these in this stage?
[15:20] <gvandeweyer> no problem in testing if they are in final beta stage
[15:23] <acheronuk> well, obviously the point in testing is that we want people to help find potential issues that may exist
[15:24] <acheronuk> that does not mean that they will, but there are no guarantees
[15:24] <gvandeweyer> it's past alpha then?
[15:25] <gvandeweyer> fine, I'll give it a shot later this week!
[15:25] <acheronuk> I've been using our plasma 5.8 packages from staging in 17.04 for quite a while now, and seems stable on my systems
[15:25] <acheronuk> but as always, you may have an issue with your graphics/hardware, as you can't test on everything
[15:26] <gvandeweyer> ofcourse, and I'm happy to help there.
[15:26] <gvandeweyer> I'm typically on beta-releases for kernels as well, as I'm still hoping my fingerprint/cardreaders will get supported
[15:26] <gvandeweyer> :-)
[15:48] <yossarianuk> yey - looks like the 375 nvidia driver will be useable -> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-375.26-Released
[15:51] <yossarianuk> just need the ppa to be updated now.
[18:08] <user|30484> Schönen guten Abend alle anwesenden...
[18:09] <user|30484> ist zufällig jemand vom Kubuntu on ?
[18:12] <user|30484> naja, wie dem auch sei, habe da etwas neues für alle -> Kubuntu ist nicht SICHER im Internet. hatte soeben einen Bios-Write etc... ganz toll sowas, denn man vermittelt den Verbrauchern, dass Kubuntu Sicher sei
[18:29] <Smurphy> pfff ...
[19:43] <elichai2> hey
[19:43] <elichai2> I want to install KDE Plasma 5.8 on my ubuntu
[19:43] <elichai2> I tried installing via kubuntu-backport ppa but it installed KDE 5.2.X
[19:48] <acheronuk> elichai2: the backports ppa has plasma 5.6.5 for Xenial. 5.2.X will be the KDE applications version for whatever you are looking at, which is a different numbering scheme to plasma
[19:48] <acheronuk> plasma 5.8.4 is in testing
[19:49] <elichai2> acheronuk, ohh, I checked the version by running `knosole --version` and it told me the KDE version (I think 5.23)
[19:50] <acheronuk> elichai2: 'plasmashell -v' tell you the plasma desktop version
[19:50] <elichai2> if i'll upgrade my system to Yakkety will it change anything? (I currently have Xenial)
[19:50] <elichai2> (I mean, will I get a better version)
[19:50] <acheronuk> Yakkety has plasma 5.7.5. better, but still not the new and shiny plasma 5.8
[19:51] <acheronuk> plasma 5.8 has to be provided in backports when it is ready
[19:51] <elichai2> ohh, so maybe i'll test KDE on another distro (on VM)
[19:51] <acheronuk> as it was released to late to go into Yakkey by default
[19:52] <elichai2> I just got tired of my Unity and I want something new and shinny and I liked how the Plasma looks in screenshots
[19:52] <steve-_-1> is there a release date for discover 5.8?
[19:52] <acheronuk> well, we have 5.8 in our backeports-landing ppa for testers
[19:53] <acheronuk> see: http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/
[19:53] <steve-_-1> acheronuk: so I guess the question is when 5.8 will hit stable
[19:53] <acheronuk> steve-_-1: when we are confident it has been tested enough
[19:54] <steve-_-1> so no release date atm
[19:54] <steve-_-1> hm ok
[19:54] <acheronuk> giving ETAs too often comes back to bite you on the backside
[19:54] <steve-_-1> so if I rephrase and ask weeks or months?
[19:55] <steve-_-1> acheronuk: yes totally understand that
[19:55] <elichai2> steve-_-1, good QA will answer years.
[19:55] <steve-_-1> just curious if it's close or far away. if it's far away I will try to use that testing thing
[19:55] <steve-_-1> really?
[19:55] <steve-_-1> how is that?
[19:55] <acheronuk> it would be nice to have it ready for Xmas and give everyone a nice shiny plasma present!
[19:55] <elichai2> so they won't promise anyone anything
[19:55] <elichai2> lol
[19:56] <steve-_-1> oh well. so if I add that ppa will that change general version to some testing branch or is this for discover only?
[19:56] <acheronuk> but as with these things, you think they are ready, and testers turn up a load of bugs.
[19:56] <acheronuk> discover or plasma?
[19:57] <steve-_-1> I am only interesting in getting discover 5.8 since it fixes a bug I am seeing w current stable
[19:58] <acheronuk> discover is problematic on any branch, as it is a very much a WIP at the moment, and ubuntu's appream data it uses to find package info does not seem to be the greatest
[19:59] <acheronuk> hence even the latest version fails to find certain stuff, like VLC and some other apps
[19:59] <steve-_-1> so what is the best way to manage installed software / updates in kde?
[19:59] <steve-_-1> or kubuntu
[19:59] <steve-_-1> for dummies like myself looking for a UI solution
[20:00] <acheronuk> well, personally I use synaptic
[20:00] <acheronuk> it's gtk, and a bit old and creaky, but it just works!
[20:00] <steve-_-1> hm, I find this all very confusing. so discover is the new default from what I understand?
[20:00] <steve-_-1> muon is gone
[20:01] <acheronuk> muon is not gone.
[20:01] <acheronuk> 'sudo apt-get install muon'
[20:02] <steve-_-1> so there's three solutions or more I yet have to find one that works reliably. muon had the last update check … milliseconds ago bug
[20:02] <steve-_-1> discover does not display file size of files to be downloaded
[20:02] <steve-_-1> wouldn't it be good to concentrate efforts and have one working solution?
[20:02] <steve-_-1> but maybe that's not how linux works
[20:03] <steve-_-1> uedLWP
[20:03] <steve-_-1> arg wrong window
[20:04] <steve-_-1> ok, let'S just wait for 5.8 and hope that that version works a bit more reliably
[20:14] <[Relic]> don't forget when you check with discover and install anything the whole thing just doesn't respond when it is updating the package tables and shows no progress
[20:21] <_Wens_> hi! will be update qt to 5.6.2 version in yakkety?
[22:13] <N0Lif3> I have the Bluetooth background service disabled, but from time to time I keep seeing the bluetooth symbol showing that it's being powered on my taskbar
[22:17] <valorie> if you have the applet installed, perhaps it's starting it up automatically?
[22:19] <valorie> I have one, and if I hover over it, it says no connected devices
[22:21] <N0Lif3> when I click it, it will have the checkbox full meaning it's "Powered"
[22:21] <N0Lif3> I'm on a laptop, so I want to keep it off to conserve battery life
[22:25] <valorie> when I click the applet, it's got a little box that I can click to turn it off
[22:25] <valorie> to the right are the settings
[22:29] <valorie> when I turn it off in the settings, the applet icon disappears to the "hidden icons" area
[22:29] <valorie> the little pyramid shape
[22:31] <N0Lif3> yea, that's where it is now
[22:31] <N0Lif3> do you pronounce Kubuntu "KOO BOON TOO" or "Kay ooo boon too?"
[22:32] <valorie> I do the first
[22:32] <valorie> but some do the second
[22:32] <valorie> it's all good
[22:33] <valorie> actually: koo bun too
[22:33] <valorie> I rarely yell it
[22:33] <valorie> lol
[22:40] <Dragnslcr> I do the second