=== JanC is now known as Guest9817 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [04:32] good morning to all [04:37] o/ lotuspsychje ; May your day be blessed with warmth and sunshine :) [04:38] hey Bashing-om tnx :p [04:38] i watched snowden the movie yesterday [04:38] nice piece of work [04:40] Do not do much TV'n myself, what brought snowden to your attention ? [04:41] was reading an article what motivated oliver stone to make this movie [04:44] its a crazy story [04:45] Yeah ,, Oliver Stone has done some great works . Now my interest is piqued . [04:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden [04:55] Bashing-om: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/edward-snowden-oliver-stone-and-big-brother-a7389226.html [04:58] lotuspsychje: Yeah - got my interest :) good reads . [07:13] Good night Good Folks [12:18] Hiyas all [15:32] !ping [15:32] pong! [15:36] 1-0 [15:40] :D [15:42] why doesn't pip update through apt? [15:42] every time I try to install something with pip (every coupla months or so) I get "you're using version blahblah, but version blahblah.1 is availabe. please update with pip install --update pip" [15:43] and then there's pip3 and all those fun variations of everything [15:46] i don't even know why that thing has to exist [15:46] yet another example of the mess of inconsistency that is Loonix [15:46] Because pip is distro independent? [15:48] would be nice, pip hook to apt [15:50] I think I'm with daftykins. Having to use pip at all is kinda pointless. would be much easier to just install python programs with apt [15:53] Sure, but not everything is in apt. [15:56] which is why pip exists [15:56] and all the other per-language package managers [15:56] and then once pip exists, they stop trying to get their stuff into the distro [15:56] it becomes a bit of a loop === pavlushka is now known as The_Doctorman [16:00] a universal package manager should be... univeral. [16:01] well apt is, presuming, the packages exist int he archive [16:01] it can't know about stuff it ... doesn't know about :) [16:01] also, i hate the idea that one tool should solve every problem, it tends to lead to corner cases and bugs [16:01] and bloat :/ [16:02] apt also can't, without kludges, install without proper permissions; i believe pip can [16:02] pip without sudo goes to the user environment, indeed === The_Doctorman is now known as pavlushka [16:06] just another hurdle to learning i'm afraid [16:07] also, the barrier to entry in debian/ubuntu is higher than in pip -- so cutting edge stuff tends to be in pip [16:10] well i have one example i encountered it in, grabbing the get_iplayer script which is packaged, but out of date so as to be non-functional - i'd not encountered pip before so had no idea [16:11] 'nough said ;) [16:13] I just used it to install something called rtv. don't remember the last time I used it before that. [16:14] daftykins: package name? [16:16] sorry, can't spare the time right now [16:16] gotta make some calls :) [16:16] daftykins: np [16:16] daftykins: i'm happy to help (if i can) at least get that fixed/updated, in the future, just ping me [16:49] Hi everyone [16:51] hi pauljw [16:51] hey EriC^^ how's things? [16:52] pauljw: good thanks, you? [16:52] EriC^^, doing well, thanks. :) [16:53] :) [18:57] dnssoul: hey [18:57] Je peux aider [18:57] j'utilise Google Traduction [18:58] Je connais un peu de français, je suis libanais [18:59] une deux mille [19:01] zut! [19:08] !fr [19:08] Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [19:08] :P [19:09] any of you guys ever deal with quirky LCDs on Lenovos? specifically got an X240 with a vertical band in the middle that's misbehaving [19:09] upping a video right now [19:25] ugh [19:25] lenovo [19:25] the one i got had some backlight leaking [19:25] on the sides [19:28] ah yeah [19:28] https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6mogup89751hjf/VID_20161214_190821.mp4?dl=0 [19:29] man my isp is killing me [19:30] they made it $10 less and now the ping sucks ass, 340ms goes up to 2000-3000ms at times [19:32] :( [19:32] nasty jitter [19:32] looks like it's a new panel time only - but that's fine because i can upgrade it to a 1080p for £45 :) [19:33] nice [19:33] EriC^^: wow. how far is that signal traveling?! [19:33] hehe, he uses mobile tech [19:33] yeah i do [19:34] it used to be pretty low ping though, like 120ms iirc or less [19:34] 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=114 ms [19:35] then it'll go to 300ms out of nowhere for a while then jump to 3000 and stuff, i can't use the ps4 with it anymore [19:35] * EriC^^ tries to use the ps4 with it.. let's see [19:36] 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=795 ms [19:36] could it be related? [19:37] it's back at 100ms now [19:37] when i download on my xbox one, there can be some crazy jitter to my desktop machines [19:37] i've often wondered if it's something the xbox one does that MS don't consider for those on VDSL lines [19:38] as soon as i hit the match making it jumps to 1400ms then 700ms [19:40] it seems definitely related [19:40] !ping [19:40] pong! [19:40] daftykins: do you have the right ports open? [19:40] wow it just stalled, like 10000ms in a row [19:40] nicomach1s: you don't have to open ports [19:41] daftykins: it can help. [19:41] no sir [19:41] must have been some coincidence, just tried and it didn't jump when i pressed the button, earlier it jumped right when i hit it [19:43] daftykins: 53, 80, 88, 500, 3074, 3544, and 4500 have to be open. Opening 3075 and 3076 can improve matchmaking. [19:44] UPnP will do it automatically but I prefer a little more precise control. [19:44] yeah due to UPnP and NAT-PMP you don't need to open ports :) [19:44] appreciate the thought, but it won't impact jitter during downloads from the store or updates etc [19:45] anybody have a tip for cleaning the usb charger cable connector? [19:45] isopropyl and q-tips [19:45] ^ [19:45] it fell into a glass of pepsi, and sat there for a while, now it stopped working, so i'm using the ps4 cable to connect the phone to the desktop [19:45] i tried alcohol on it, it didn't work [19:46] you can soak the end of it in iso if you think it got gunky up inside of it [19:46] it fell before in coffee and the alcohol plus after a few day it started working again, no dice this time [19:46] nicomach1s: i tried that too [19:46] possible short? idk [19:46] if i wedge it with my hand upwards it used to work i think [19:47] sounds like a short [19:47] yup it does [19:47] i have to push really hard though [19:49] i'll try moving the metal stuff inside with a needle [19:49] unplug it first. lol [19:50] i was just thinking that [19:50] :D [19:53] there's some progress, now it needs just a little push to work [20:00] does anybody know a way to fix the mmi invalid code on android phones? [20:01] i keep getting it, i can't check how much internet traffic i have left, i tried adding a "," at the end [20:01] and the "search for network operator" many times and restarting, it worked once somehow then it stopped again [20:05] could be worth nuking the data on the dialer app === Guest34309 is now known as IO [20:05] not seen that one but it rings a bell === IO is now known as IdleOne