[04:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:37] <Bashing-om> o/ lotuspsychje ; May your day be blessed with warmth and sunshine :)
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om tnx :p
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> i watched snowden the movie yesterday
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> nice piece of work
[04:40] <Bashing-om> Do not do much TV'n myself, what brought snowden to your attention ?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> was reading an article what motivated oliver stone to make this movie
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> its a crazy story
[04:45] <Bashing-om> Yeah ,, Oliver Stone has done some great works . Now my interest is piqued .
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/edward-snowden-oliver-stone-and-big-brother-a7389226.html
[04:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah - got my interest :) good reads .
[07:13] <Bashing-om> Good night Good Folks
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:32] <EriC^^> !ping
[15:32] <ubot5`> pong!
[15:36] <OerHeks> 1-0
[15:40] <EriC^^> :D
[15:42] <nicomach1s> why doesn't pip update through apt?
[15:42] <nicomach1s> every time I try to install something with pip (every coupla months or so) I get "you're using version blahblah, but version blahblah.1 is availabe. please update with pip install --update pip"
[15:43] <nicomach1s> and then there's pip3 and all those fun variations of everything
[15:46] <daftykins> i don't even know why that thing has to exist
[15:46] <daftykins> yet another example of the mess of inconsistency that is Loonix
[15:46] <lordievader> Because pip is distro independent?
[15:48] <OerHeks> would be nice, pip hook to apt
[15:50] <nicomach1s> I think I'm with daftykins. Having to use pip at all is kinda pointless. would be much easier to just install python programs with apt
[15:53] <lordievader> Sure, but not everything is in apt.
[15:56] <nacc> which is why pip exists
[15:56] <nacc> and all the other per-language package managers
[15:56] <nacc> and then once pip exists, they stop trying to get their stuff into the distro
[15:56] <nacc> it becomes a bit of a loop
[16:00] <nicomach1s> a universal package manager should be... univeral.
[16:01] <nacc> well apt is, presuming, the packages exist int he archive
[16:01] <nacc> it can't know about stuff it ... doesn't know about :)
[16:01] <nacc> also, i hate the idea that one tool should solve every problem, it tends to lead to corner cases and bugs
[16:01] <nacc> and bloat :/
[16:02] <nacc> apt also can't, without kludges, install without proper permissions; i believe pip can
[16:02] <OerHeks> pip without sudo goes to the user environment, indeed
[16:06] <daftykins> just another hurdle to learning i'm afraid
[16:07] <nacc> also, the barrier to entry in debian/ubuntu is higher than in pip -- so cutting edge stuff tends to be in pip
[16:10] <daftykins> well i have one example i encountered it in, grabbing the get_iplayer script which is packaged, but out of date so as to be non-functional - i'd not encountered pip before so had no idea
[16:11] <daftykins> 'nough said ;)
[16:13] <nicomach1s> I just used it to install something called rtv. don't remember the last time I used it before that.
[16:14] <nacc> daftykins: package name?
[16:16] <daftykins> sorry, can't spare the time right now
[16:16] <daftykins> gotta make some calls :)
[16:16] <nacc> daftykins: np
[16:16] <nacc> daftykins: i'm happy to help (if i can) at least get that fixed/updated, in the future, just ping me
[16:49] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[16:51] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[16:51] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ how's things?
[16:52] <EriC^^> pauljw: good thanks, you?
[16:52] <pauljw> EriC^^, doing well, thanks.  :)
[16:53] <EriC^^> :)
[18:57] <EriC^^> dnssoul: hey
[18:57] <EriC^^> Je peux aider
[18:57] <EriC^^> j'utilise Google Traduction
[18:58] <EriC^^> Je connais un peu de français, je suis libanais
[18:59] <OerHeks> une deux mille
[19:01] <EriC^^> zut!
[19:08] <nicomach1s> !fr
[19:08] <ubot5`> Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[19:08] <nicomach1s> :P
[19:09] <daftykins> any of you guys ever deal with quirky LCDs on Lenovos? specifically got an X240 with a vertical band in the middle that's misbehaving
[19:09] <daftykins> upping a video right now
[19:25] <EriC^^> ugh
[19:25] <EriC^^> lenovo
[19:25] <EriC^^> the one i got had some backlight leaking
[19:25] <EriC^^> on the sides
[19:28] <daftykins> ah yeah
[19:28] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6mogup89751hjf/VID_20161214_190821.mp4?dl=0
[19:29] <EriC^^> man my isp is killing me
[19:30] <EriC^^> they made it $10 less and now the ping sucks ass, 340ms goes up to 2000-3000ms at times
[19:32] <daftykins> :(
[19:32] <daftykins> nasty jitter
[19:32] <daftykins> looks like it's a new panel time only - but that's fine because i can upgrade it to a 1080p for £45 :)
[19:33] <EriC^^> nice
[19:33] <nicomach1s> EriC^^: wow. how far is that signal traveling?!
[19:33] <daftykins> hehe, he uses mobile tech
[19:33] <EriC^^> yeah i do
[19:34] <EriC^^> it used to be pretty low ping though, like 120ms iirc or less
[19:34] <EriC^^> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=114 ms
[19:35] <EriC^^> then it'll go to 300ms out of nowhere for a while then jump to 3000 and stuff, i can't use the ps4 with it anymore
[19:35]  * EriC^^ tries to use the ps4 with it.. let's see
[19:36] <EriC^^> 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=795 ms
[19:36] <EriC^^> could it be related?
[19:37] <EriC^^> it's back at 100ms now
[19:37] <daftykins> when i download on my xbox one, there can be some crazy jitter to my desktop machines
[19:37] <daftykins> i've often wondered if it's something the xbox one does that MS don't consider for those on VDSL lines
[19:38] <EriC^^> as soon as i hit the match making it jumps to 1400ms then 700ms
[19:40] <EriC^^> it seems definitely related
[19:40] <EriC^^> !ping
[19:40] <ubot5`> pong!
[19:40] <nicomach1s> daftykins: do you have the right ports open?
[19:40] <EriC^^> wow it just stalled, like 10000ms in a row
[19:40] <daftykins> nicomach1s: you don't have to open ports
[19:41] <nicomach1s> daftykins: it can help.
[19:41] <daftykins> no sir
[19:41] <EriC^^> must have been some coincidence, just tried and it didn't jump when i pressed the button, earlier it jumped right when i hit it
[19:43] <nicomach1s> daftykins: 53, 80, 88, 500, 3074, 3544, and 4500 have to be open. Opening 3075 and 3076 can improve matchmaking.
[19:44] <nicomach1s> UPnP will do it automatically but I prefer a little more precise control.
[19:44] <daftykins> yeah due to UPnP and NAT-PMP you don't need to open ports :)
[19:44] <daftykins> appreciate the thought, but it won't impact jitter during downloads from the store or updates etc
[19:45] <EriC^^> anybody have a tip for cleaning the usb charger cable connector?
[19:45] <nicomach1s> isopropyl and q-tips
[19:45] <daftykins> ^
[19:45] <EriC^^> it fell into a glass of pepsi, and sat there for a while, now it stopped working, so i'm using the ps4 cable to connect the phone to the desktop
[19:45] <EriC^^> i tried alcohol on it, it didn't work
[19:46] <nicomach1s> you can soak the end of it in iso if you think it got gunky up inside of it
[19:46] <EriC^^> it fell before in coffee and the alcohol plus after a few day it started working again, no dice this time
[19:46] <EriC^^> nicomach1s: i tried that too
[19:46] <nicomach1s> possible short? idk
[19:46] <EriC^^> if i wedge it with my hand upwards it used to work i think
[19:47] <nicomach1s> sounds like a short
[19:47] <EriC^^> yup it does
[19:47] <EriC^^> i have to push really hard though
[19:49] <EriC^^> i'll try moving the metal stuff inside with a needle
[19:49] <nicomach1s> unplug it first. lol
[19:50] <EriC^^> i was just thinking that
[19:50] <EriC^^> :D
[19:53] <EriC^^> there's some progress, now it needs just a little push to work
[20:00] <EriC^^> does anybody know a way to fix the mmi invalid code on android phones?
[20:01] <EriC^^> i keep getting it, i can't check how much internet traffic i have left, i tried adding a "," at the end
[20:01] <EriC^^> and the "search for network operator" many times and restarting, it worked once somehow then it stopped again
[20:05] <daftykins> could be worth nuking the data on the dialer app
[20:05] <daftykins> not seen that one but it rings a bell