[02:37] <diddledan> macos 10.12.2 is out \o/
[03:30] <zmoylan-pi> i see they /fixed/ the battery guage for macbook pros...  https://marco.org/2016/12/13/apple-removes-battery-time-remaining
[03:34] <diddledan> lol
[03:36] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure rich mac users can just carry a spare mac book pro for when the battery runs out on one
[03:43] <zmoylan-pi> a user in a different channel i frequent is getting 2 hours from their 10 hour battery life new mac book pro
[03:45] <zmoylan-pi> and that's not compiling only a few dozen documents open in a court room... someone suggested finding a power socket but i asked what were the odds you'd trip someone with the new non mag safe adapter and what would be the % they'd be a lawyer... :-P
[06:09] <mapps> yay
[06:09] <mapps> new episode of shooter
[06:09] <mapps> anyone else watching shooter
[09:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Monkey Day! 🙈 🙉 🙊
[09:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: gotta be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJ6QP8BYn0
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:46] <pev> Wotcha. Anyone know much about 14.04 -> 16.04 changes? I've got a 14.04 build env that I've got to get working on 16.04 (TLDR: new machine prefers 16.04) - I've used update-alternatives to get the older gcc up but ideally I'd like to use a similar mechanism to install older GNU make and mono. I can always hack my source tree but I'd prefer to do "the proper way" if such a thing exists?
[10:46] <foobarry> 16.04 uses systemd
[10:47] <foobarry> 14.04 still used upstart
[10:49] <popey> pev: I'd run it in a lxc container personally
[10:50] <foobarry> yeah
[10:53] <pev> popey: Thanks, I've not come across that before, looks interesting. I'm not quite sure how you're suggesting using it though - is there a simple way to replicate a 14.04 environment within one? Just reading through the basics now
[10:56] <pev> (I'd originally tried building under vmware / virtualbox but overheads were undesirably large!)
[10:57] <davmor2> pev: lxc launch ubuntu:14.04 trust-container
[10:58] <davmor2> pev: it basically gives you a cloud server image in a container you can then build things in it rather than on you host 16.04
[10:59] <pev> Ah, call me old fashoined but I never trust the C word :-D
[10:59] <pev> davmor2: That looks ideal - giving it a go now!
[11:00] <davmor2> pev: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/
[11:00] <davmor2> pev: what is there to trust or not trust it is a container on you local system that you are using to build things
[11:01] <pev> davmor2: Yep, I'd been skimming through there but hadnt found the syntax for setting up a container with an older version of ubuntu, it looked like all the examples I'd spotted were using the current environment. Your suggestion looks bang on though
[11:02] <pev> davmor2: Don't worry I was just joking about the phrase "cloud" and that it's also a C word :-D Its just a modern sexier term than "server"
[11:03] <popey> :)
[11:04] <davmor2> pev: no the cloud image is different to the server image in subtle ways so there is actually a difference :)
[11:04] <foobarry> asked my ISP for a firmware update to my managed router they delivered with old firmware (i was having issues). first they said they coudn't contact my router. then i posted logs of them contacting my router, then they magically managed to update the fw.
[11:05] <foobarry> i asked for changelogs, guess what, "we don't provide these"
[11:06] <davmor2> foobarry: you somehow seem surprised by this
[11:08]  * popey hugs openwrt
[11:08] <pev> davmor2: Ah, OK! So, next, more awkward question, is then is this genuinely a cloud image? my actual end build environment is  very much offline.
[11:08] <foobarry> stock netgear fw looks pony too https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/582384
[11:09] <foobarry> sure we havne't heard the end of the adsl router botnets
[11:09] <davmor2> pev: yeap it is one of these https://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/release/ so basically server + the bits it needs to talk to cloud services :)
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: +1
[11:10] <popey> pev: don't overthink the "cloud" part of the image name, it's a server image
[11:10] <pev> foobarry: its old now, but my old WNDR3700 factory firmware was ok ; performance wise openwrt and dd-wrt seemed about the same...
[11:11] <pev> davmor2: Aha! Is there a manual way to pull down the appropriate image and use it on an offline machine or am I opening myself to a world of hurt?
[11:11] <davmor2> pev: openwrt has more regular updates for security patches which is why I prefer it
[11:11] <foobarry> and more tweaks (and iptables i believe?)
[11:12] <popey> pev: thats exactly what it is
[11:12] <pev> foobarry: yep. depends on ones own use case of course!
[11:12] <popey> it's an image which you use locally
[11:12] <foobarry> my huawei router has weird terminology and tries to make things high level , generally making issues worse (just like windows)
[11:12] <popey> again, don't overthink the cloud part, it's just an image you run locally
[11:12] <foobarry> since i got the new router, xbox360 been crapping out , never before
[11:13] <foobarry> cloud (server) can be public (somewhere else) or private (my own)
[11:13] <popey> indeed, which is why it irritates me when people say "No such thing as cloud, just somebody elses computer" because that's just patently not true
[11:14] <foobarry> it is a rubbish overused term though, just like devops
[11:14] <foobarry> and 2.0
[11:15] <davmor2> pev: think of lxd as a glorified chroot, the cloud img is just the server os that runs in the chroot effectively giving you a 14.04 chroot locally that you can run build on, it all remains local
[11:35] <foobarry> whats the top link if you google HPC docs? not sure if google is tweaking results based on cookies and history (i've tried incog but you never know...)
[11:35] <davmor2> foobarry: but but but but web2.0 on the cloud, with the cloud services, and cloud connect, on a mushroom cloud is awesome honest ;)
[11:41]  * zmoylan-pi listens to the clouds outside dumping their datasets with extreme vigour
[11:41] <foobarry> anyone help with that google query pls ^^
[11:41] <foobarry> need someone not at my location etc.
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> high performance computing at queen mary...
[11:43] <foobarry> thanks zmoylan-pi
[11:43] <foobarry> thats the correct answer
[13:59] <memoussati> .
[14:02] <diddledan> morning
[14:15] <diddledan> Amazon Web Services launched their London region today
[14:18] <foobarry> where were they before? Ireland?
[14:18] <diddledan> they have ireland and somewhere else in europe (frankfurt?)
[14:19] <diddledan> yeah, Ireland and Frankfurt are the pre-existing europe regions
[14:19] <diddledan> so now we have the choice of Ireland, Frankfurt and London if we need to remain in the EU
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> data centres are popular in ireland as you save a fortune on ac
[14:20] <foobarry> iceland maybe
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> on top of volcanos...
[14:20] <diddledan> of course once Brexit goes through the regulations might require data-sovereignty for British data to remain in Britain, so the London region will be invaluable for that
[14:21] <foobarry> my daughter has been singing rudoplh red nosed reindeer in repeat for 15 minutes. must has sung it 100 times already
[14:21] <diddledan> \o/
[14:21] <foobarry>  /o\
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> ask santy for noise cancelling headphones...
[14:22] <diddledan> I've always wondered what the Sanity Clause is
[14:22] <diddledan> and did I transgress, because I'm not sane anymore
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> and for anyone on fast isp you might want to start making phone calls or it could be you and family stuck at home over christmas _without_ internet... http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/12/customers-broadband-isp-fast-co-uk-firenet-face-shock-cut-off.html
[14:29] <diddledan> I saw that before I went to bed via a tweet. Shocking
[15:46] <daftykins> cor la, moved the old 60" Pioneer plasma today at my clients - and just as we began, the new LG OLED showed up :D
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully the log rollers and sherpas were in position after moving the old 60" :-D
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> you gonna now set up the old 60" as your new desktop monitor? :-P
[16:07] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: haha nah it's gone in his bedroom to replace the 50"
[16:07] <daftykins> the 50" has gone to his sons bedroom, and the sons ~40" has gone to the 'guest' room :P
[16:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yjwbndyltq8pi6a/AACqze2vj3jrCjCKWeXDU4zba?dl=0
[16:08] <daftykins> there are a few snaps
[16:24]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what is lining his cat's litterbox... :-P
[16:25] <daftykins> the fella that helped me with the lifting and wall mounting works on my clients boat mainly, he took all of it to recycling ;D
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> he also has the clients used socks contract? #blackadder
[16:34] <daftykins> the John Lewis rep just had to refund the VAT in 7 separate amounts because their software only goes to £75...
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure when that limit was decided the coversation went along the lines of 'we'll never have an item that costs more than £75...' when was it written, the 1950s?
[16:44] <daftykins> :)
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> i have yet to be in a meeting that had 'we'll never do/need x' were x hasn't been required within 12 months... personal best was less than 1 day...
[16:48] <daftykins> wow do you remember what that one was?
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> the decree from on high that i was to round up all the remaining 5.25" floppy drives as we no longer needed them and send them to recycling... after it was done, a customer sent in a backup on 5.25" that was urgently needed
[16:49] <daftykins> oof
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> i had of course learned from chief o'brien and believe in at least 2 backups so had laid down a few in hidden locations that no one would find...
[16:50] <daftykins> excellent
[16:51] <daftykins> this client would do that when speaking of the stands these TVs come with "we'll never need those!" - so i hide them
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> of course i would prefer my hiding place to have giant rolling boulders with walls that fire poisoned darts... but you can't have everything... :-)
[16:54] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: just go with the classic electrified floor
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> the cost in leccy would be terrible... you'll be asking me to heat it next!?
[16:56] <davmor2> well you need them to take their shoes off or the rubber sole will prevent it shocking them
[16:57] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the alternative is a wall that fires taser bolts :)
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> more expense... hmmm, thinks about people i've had to deal with and leaves japanese sepuku sword and instructions in 20 languages...
[17:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: got it laser firing sharks in a water pit only way to be sure, you know it makes sense
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> sez someone who's never had to do an in field replacement of a dodgy laser...
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> no one ever thinks of the service engineers and how to move their abandoned vans afterwards...
[17:17] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that's what council estate fires are for surely
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... but then you have to walk out of a council estate at night on foot...
[17:19] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: meh council estates hold no fear for me I live in one of the meanest :D
[17:20] <daftykins> D:
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD>   /join #techrights
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> k
[22:07] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/8crZTil.mp4
[22:07] <daftykins> SpaceX have their work cut out for them
[22:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> abc
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> wiley coyote sues for infringement...
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> if the nickname tarzan doesn't follow that poor sod for the rest of his life...