[02:37] macos 10.12.2 is out \o/ [03:30] i see they /fixed/ the battery guage for macbook pros... https://marco.org/2016/12/13/apple-removes-battery-time-remaining [03:34] lol [03:36] i'm sure rich mac users can just carry a spare mac book pro for when the battery runs out on one [03:43] a user in a different channel i frequent is getting 2 hours from their 10 hour battery life new mac book pro [03:45] and that's not compiling only a few dozen documents open in a court room... someone suggested finding a power socket but i asked what were the odds you'd trip someone with the new non mag safe adapter and what would be the % they'd be a lawyer... :-P [06:09] yay [06:09] new episode of shooter [06:09] anyone else watching shooter === Victor is now known as Guest11612 [09:11] Morning all [09:44] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Monkey Day! 🙈 🙉 🙊 [09:47] JamesTait: gotta be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJ6QP8BYn0 [09:47] morning boys and girls. [10:46] Wotcha. Anyone know much about 14.04 -> 16.04 changes? I've got a 14.04 build env that I've got to get working on 16.04 (TLDR: new machine prefers 16.04) - I've used update-alternatives to get the older gcc up but ideally I'd like to use a similar mechanism to install older GNU make and mono. I can always hack my source tree but I'd prefer to do "the proper way" if such a thing exists? [10:46] 16.04 uses systemd [10:47] 14.04 still used upstart [10:49] pev: I'd run it in a lxc container personally [10:50] yeah [10:53] popey: Thanks, I've not come across that before, looks interesting. I'm not quite sure how you're suggesting using it though - is there a simple way to replicate a 14.04 environment within one? Just reading through the basics now [10:56] (I'd originally tried building under vmware / virtualbox but overheads were undesirably large!) [10:57] pev: lxc launch ubuntu:14.04 trust-container [10:58] pev: it basically gives you a cloud server image in a container you can then build things in it rather than on you host 16.04 [10:59] Ah, call me old fashoined but I never trust the C word :-D [10:59] davmor2: That looks ideal - giving it a go now! [11:00] pev: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/ [11:00] pev: what is there to trust or not trust it is a container on you local system that you are using to build things [11:01] davmor2: Yep, I'd been skimming through there but hadnt found the syntax for setting up a container with an older version of ubuntu, it looked like all the examples I'd spotted were using the current environment. Your suggestion looks bang on though [11:02] davmor2: Don't worry I was just joking about the phrase "cloud" and that it's also a C word :-D Its just a modern sexier term than "server" [11:03] :) [11:04] pev: no the cloud image is different to the server image in subtle ways so there is actually a difference :) [11:04] asked my ISP for a firmware update to my managed router they delivered with old firmware (i was having issues). first they said they coudn't contact my router. then i posted logs of them contacting my router, then they magically managed to update the fw. [11:05] i asked for changelogs, guess what, "we don't provide these" [11:06] foobarry: you somehow seem surprised by this [11:08] * popey hugs openwrt [11:08] davmor2: Ah, OK! So, next, more awkward question, is then is this genuinely a cloud image? my actual end build environment is very much offline. [11:08] stock netgear fw looks pony too https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/582384 [11:09] sure we havne't heard the end of the adsl router botnets [11:09] pev: yeap it is one of these https://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/release/ so basically server + the bits it needs to talk to cloud services :) [11:10] popey: +1 [11:10] pev: don't overthink the "cloud" part of the image name, it's a server image [11:10] foobarry: its old now, but my old WNDR3700 factory firmware was ok ; performance wise openwrt and dd-wrt seemed about the same... [11:11] davmor2: Aha! Is there a manual way to pull down the appropriate image and use it on an offline machine or am I opening myself to a world of hurt? [11:11] pev: openwrt has more regular updates for security patches which is why I prefer it [11:11] and more tweaks (and iptables i believe?) [11:12] pev: thats exactly what it is [11:12] foobarry: yep. depends on ones own use case of course! [11:12] it's an image which you use locally [11:12] my huawei router has weird terminology and tries to make things high level , generally making issues worse (just like windows) [11:12] again, don't overthink the cloud part, it's just an image you run locally [11:12] since i got the new router, xbox360 been crapping out , never before [11:13] cloud (server) can be public (somewhere else) or private (my own) [11:13] indeed, which is why it irritates me when people say "No such thing as cloud, just somebody elses computer" because that's just patently not true [11:14] it is a rubbish overused term though, just like devops [11:14] and 2.0 [11:15] pev: think of lxd as a glorified chroot, the cloud img is just the server os that runs in the chroot effectively giving you a 14.04 chroot locally that you can run build on, it all remains local [11:35] whats the top link if you google HPC docs? not sure if google is tweaking results based on cookies and history (i've tried incog but you never know...) [11:35] foobarry: but but but but web2.0 on the cloud, with the cloud services, and cloud connect, on a mushroom cloud is awesome honest ;) [11:41] * zmoylan-pi listens to the clouds outside dumping their datasets with extreme vigour [11:41] anyone help with that google query pls ^^ [11:41] need someone not at my location etc. [11:42] high performance computing at queen mary... [11:43] thanks zmoylan-pi [11:43] thats the correct answer [13:59] . [14:02] morning [14:15] Amazon Web Services launched their London region today [14:18] where were they before? Ireland? [14:18] they have ireland and somewhere else in europe (frankfurt?) [14:19] yeah, Ireland and Frankfurt are the pre-existing europe regions [14:19] so now we have the choice of Ireland, Frankfurt and London if we need to remain in the EU [14:20] data centres are popular in ireland as you save a fortune on ac [14:20] iceland maybe [14:20] on top of volcanos... [14:20] of course once Brexit goes through the regulations might require data-sovereignty for British data to remain in Britain, so the London region will be invaluable for that [14:21] my daughter has been singing rudoplh red nosed reindeer in repeat for 15 minutes. must has sung it 100 times already [14:21] \o/ [14:21] /o\ [14:21] ask santy for noise cancelling headphones... [14:22] I've always wondered what the Sanity Clause is [14:22] and did I transgress, because I'm not sane anymore [14:23] and for anyone on fast isp you might want to start making phone calls or it could be you and family stuck at home over christmas _without_ internet... http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/12/customers-broadband-isp-fast-co-uk-firenet-face-shock-cut-off.html [14:29] I saw that before I went to bed via a tweet. Shocking [15:46] cor la, moved the old 60" Pioneer plasma today at my clients - and just as we began, the new LG OLED showed up :D [15:47] thankfully the log rollers and sherpas were in position after moving the old 60" :-D [15:51] you gonna now set up the old 60" as your new desktop monitor? :-P === pavlushka is now known as The_Doctorman === The_Doctorman is now known as pavlushka [16:07] zmoylan-pi: haha nah it's gone in his bedroom to replace the 50" [16:07] the 50" has gone to his sons bedroom, and the sons ~40" has gone to the 'guest' room :P [16:08] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yjwbndyltq8pi6a/AACqze2vj3jrCjCKWeXDU4zba?dl=0 [16:08] there are a few snaps [16:24] * zmoylan-pi wonders what is lining his cat's litterbox... :-P [16:25] the fella that helped me with the lifting and wall mounting works on my clients boat mainly, he took all of it to recycling ;D [16:29] he also has the clients used socks contract? #blackadder [16:34] the John Lewis rep just had to refund the VAT in 7 separate amounts because their software only goes to £75... [16:35] i'm sure when that limit was decided the coversation went along the lines of 'we'll never have an item that costs more than £75...' when was it written, the 1950s? [16:44] :) [16:47] i have yet to be in a meeting that had 'we'll never do/need x' were x hasn't been required within 12 months... personal best was less than 1 day... [16:48] wow do you remember what that one was? [16:49] the decree from on high that i was to round up all the remaining 5.25" floppy drives as we no longer needed them and send them to recycling... after it was done, a customer sent in a backup on 5.25" that was urgently needed [16:49] oof [16:50] i had of course learned from chief o'brien and believe in at least 2 backups so had laid down a few in hidden locations that no one would find... [16:50] excellent [16:51] this client would do that when speaking of the stands these TVs come with "we'll never need those!" - so i hide them [16:52] of course i would prefer my hiding place to have giant rolling boulders with walls that fire poisoned darts... but you can't have everything... :-) [16:54] zmoylan-pi: just go with the classic electrified floor [16:55] the cost in leccy would be terrible... you'll be asking me to heat it next!? [16:56] well you need them to take their shoes off or the rubber sole will prevent it shocking them [16:57] zmoylan-pi: the alternative is a wall that fires taser bolts :) [17:00] more expense... hmmm, thinks about people i've had to deal with and leaves japanese sepuku sword and instructions in 20 languages... [17:13] zmoylan-pi: got it laser firing sharks in a water pit only way to be sure, you know it makes sense [17:14] sez someone who's never had to do an in field replacement of a dodgy laser... [17:15] no one ever thinks of the service engineers and how to move their abandoned vans afterwards... [17:17] zmoylan-pi: that's what council estate fires are for surely [17:18] yeah... but then you have to walk out of a council estate at night on foot... [17:19] zmoylan-pi: meh council estates hold no fear for me I live in one of the meanest :D [17:20] D: [20:43] [20:43] /join #techrights [20:48] k [22:07] http://i.imgur.com/8crZTil.mp4 [22:07] SpaceX have their work cut out for them [22:14] abc [23:09] wiley coyote sues for infringement... [23:11] if the nickname tarzan doesn't follow that poor sod for the rest of his life...