| Kilos | o/ | 04:20 |
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| theblazehen | hi Kilos | 06:28 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 06:29 |
| === Kilos is now known as inet | ||
| === inet is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | morning inetpro paddatrapper and others | 06:30 |
| superfly | good evening Kilos, theblazehen | 06:59 |
| superfly | and paddatrapper, who I know is lurking, I mean, working. | 06:59 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 07:03 |
| superfly | good afternoon Kilos | 07:03 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:03 |
| theblazehen | hi superfly | 07:07 |
| chesedo | morning Kilos theblazehen superfly and others | 07:37 |
| Kilos | hi chesedo | 07:37 |
| theblazehen | hi chesedo | 07:37 |
| superfly | hi chesedo | 07:37 |
| chesedo | lol | 07:38 |
| paddatrapper | Morning Kilos, superfly, theblazehen, chesedo | 08:02 |
| theblazehen | hi paddatrapper | 08:02 |
| Kilos | how is our kid, she hasnt said anything for days | 08:04 |
| Kilos | oops | 08:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:04 |
| chesedo | hi paddatrapper | 08:09 |
| Kilos | hi nsnzero | 08:20 |
| nsnzero | hi there Kilos and everyone else | 08:20 |
| chesedo | hi nsnzero | 08:21 |
| nsnzero | how is everyone ? | 08:21 |
| Kilos | ok ty and you? | 08:30 |
| nsnzero | i am doing ok | 08:36 |
| nsnzero | github is an excellent repository for sources | 09:09 |
| * theblazehen is beginning to like emacs / spacemacs... Eveil is good enough | 12:33 | |
| theblazehen | Pretty sure you can't get an ipython notebook in vim :) | 12:33 |
| Symmetria | sup | 18:01 |
| Symmetria | who's awake :) | 18:02 |
| Kilos | whats up Symmetria | 18:12 |
| Symmetria | https://www.techcentral.co.za/icasa-approves-neotel-sale/70757/ | 18:14 |
| Symmetria | boom | 18:14 |
| Kilos | what does that mean for za | 18:16 |
| Symmetria | heh might take some time | 18:21 |
| Symmetria | but I want Neotel to become the competitive entity it should be | 18:21 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:21 |
| nsnzero | evening Kilos, Symmetria | 18:21 |
| Kilos | hi nsnzero | 18:21 |
| Symmetria | its gonna be a long hard road ahead - I can see myself spending a hell of a lot of time moving back and forth between KE and ZA | 18:21 |
| Symmetria | lo nsnzero | 18:21 |
| Symmetria | heh, kilos lol, everyone always joked on mybroadband that I shouldnt be at TENET, I should be at telkom or neotel to change the landscape there instead | 18:22 |
| Symmetria | well - now they got their wish - now I just gotta deliver :) | 18:22 |
| nsnzero | neotel offered a much cheaper wireless broadband deal now maybe they can be even cheaper | 18:23 |
| Kilos | yip well wait for you to deliver | 18:23 |
| Kilos | good luck | 18:24 |
| Kilos | keep up the good work | 18:24 |
| Symmetria | heh Kilos it wont happen overnight though - re-working something that size is time consuming, requires a lot of work, a lot of planning, and treading carefully | 18:24 |
| Kilos | thats your game | 18:24 |
| Kilos | you do it well | 18:24 |
| nsnzero | and why do we pay so much for data compared to other countries ? | 18:26 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| Symmetria | nsnzero heh - the mobile operators are ripping people off | 18:27 |
| MaNI | to play devils advocate have you seen how far away from t he test of the world we are compared to other countries? | 18:28 |
| Symmetria | and the way things are priced in ZA and the way people are amortizing is... odd | 18:28 |
| MaNI | that said we are also being ripped off majorly | 18:28 |
| MaNI | s/test/rest | 18:28 |
| Symmetria | MaNI again - it depends - firstly - you cannot compare ZA to Europe or the states - lets be blunt there - there are economic reasons for that | 18:28 |
| Symmetria | and in African context - ZA is actually a LOT better than *most* (with the exception of KE possibly) | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | heh - let me try and explain - in Europe and the states - what happened was that many people built many networks | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | hundreds of thousands of kilometers of fiber went in | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | at huge expense | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | (late 90s) | 18:29 |
| Symmetria | end of the 90s happened, the big crash happened | 18:30 |
| Symmetria | and companies folded like flies | 18:30 |
| Symmetria | that meant all those fiber assets landed on the market at 3c to the dollar | 18:30 |
| Symmetria | and the prices crashed - because the actual infrastructure costs were effectively written off in massive bankcrucpies | 18:30 |
| Symmetria | that massive crash and the consolidation that followed didnt happen in Africa - we weren't exposed enough - meaning that you're still payign the cost of the actual infrastructure | 18:31 |
| Symmetria | instead of the fictional post bankcrupcy cost | 18:31 |
| MaNI | well theres also this little fact | 18:31 |
| MaNI | http://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTY5MTIzMTI.NzUxNDc1MQ*NDA0ODMwNg(NjUwOTI0Mw~!CONTIGUOUS_US*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)MQ~!IN*NTI2NDA1MQ.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MA~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)Mg~!ZA*ODcyNTQzMg.MTcxOTM1ODg)Mw | 18:32 |
| Symmetria | mani yes | 18:32 |
| MaNI | I mean Europe is actually tiny - and very population dense, South Africa is big, spread out population, and very far away from everywhere | 18:32 |
| MaNI | we do tend to forget this | 18:32 |
| nsnzero | iirc - fiber is alot cheaper than copper - can carry more signals - better distance between repeater - no shielding | 18:33 |
| MaNI | but at the same time our state owned monopolistic nonsense does not help, have an absolutely worthless SNO thats only there to look pretty also doesn't help | 18:34 |
| MaNI | the mobile operators are just a continuation of that tradition. | 18:34 |
| nsnzero | and so is australia , but they have better internet | 18:34 |
| MaNI | we love our monopolies here, not even limited to communications it shows in many sectors and it holds our entire country back in many ways. | 18:34 |
| Symmetria | heh nsnzero actually australian internet | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | is not that much better | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | and you're technically correct about fiber - but the costs of putting it in the ground would still blow your mind | 18:37 |
| * Symmetria points out that you're spending often in excess of 15 thousand dollars for every kilometer of fiber you trench into the ground | 18:37 | |
| Symmetria | heh building fiber networks costs hundreds of millions of dollars | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | and you can't get away from that | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | and at that point - price is determined on how you are amortizing and what your planned ROI is | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | you also need to realize that there is another point about ZA - network engineers in ZA are *expensive* | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | as in - way way way way more expensive than in most of europe | 18:40 |
| nsnzero | 15k is really ridiculous for plastic wires - but since everything is moving towards the internet - it will eventually pay for itself | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | because they are hard to find | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | nsnzero heh its not plastic - its glass | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | and its actually not the cost of the fiber that costs that | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | its the trenching and the ducting and the labor | 18:41 |
| Symmetria | the cable itself is cheap - very cheap | 18:41 |
| Symmetria | heh digging up the road to put in under the ground is another story, and the other thing that costs a hell of a lot of money is the splicing | 18:41 |
| Symmetria | heh, you can't just twist fiber together to join it - it requires trained people with extremely expensive hardware to join fibers | 18:42 |
| nsnzero | i watched a documentary on undersea cable repairs - i think they charged 100 million dollars | 18:42 |
| Symmetria | and in the event of a break (someone digs it up) because its made of glass - you aren't replacing 30 centimeters of cable - in many instances yo ucan find yourself replacing 100s of meters of it - because it compound shatters | 18:42 |
| Symmetria | nsnzero heh, that entirely depends on a number of factors - primarily - where are the boats when the break happens | 18:43 |
| Symmetria | there are limited number of ships capable of affecting such repairs - if they are on the other side of the world, its gonna get really expensive to get them to the break point | 18:43 |
| Symmetria | then you gotta cover the cost of actually pulling the cable to the surface, the cost of the joins, security for the repair vessel, etc | 18:44 |
| nsnzero | yeah it was a complicated job took weeks to repair | 18:45 |
| Symmetria | always does :) | 18:45 |
| Symmetria | I've been involved in submarine system builds before - the money involved and the costs etc are immense | 18:45 |
| Symmetria | heh - how those systems work is a lot more complex than most people imagine | 18:46 |
| nsnzero | i read alot - subs are an awesome feat of engineering | 18:47 |
| Symmetria | heh it took 3 weeks of design work when we designed the last system I was involved in | 18:47 |
| Symmetria | and that was before any sea bed surveys etc, thats just the on paper planning work | 18:48 |
| Symmetria | (repeater spacing, cable type calculations, deciding pre-trenching water depth etc etc) | 18:48 |
| nsnzero | tectonic plate movement - volcano activity - earthquakes | 18:50 |
| nsnzero | its quiet an interesting field you are in ... | 18:51 |
| Symmetria | heh - my field is pretty vast - I'm kinda... in a rather unique job | 18:51 |
| Symmetria | I head up technical strategy for Liquid - which includes designs - but its also far far wider than that | 18:52 |
| Symmetria | heh, if anyone gives you a title that has the word strategy in it - be wary - because it means they expect you to do everything ;p | 18:53 |
| Symmetria | lol | 18:53 |
| Kilos | hey Symmetria you know lots of rich peeps spread this link around for me please | 18:54 |
| Kilos | https://www.gofundme.com/ReunionRoadblock/ | 18:54 |
| nsnzero | well its nice to meet you Symmetria | 18:55 |
| Symmetria | there ya go Kilos - hope that contribution helps | 19:00 |
| Kilos | ty Symmetria every bit helps. most of it has been from ubuntu peeps world wide | 19:01 |
| Symmetria | sorry its not more - new baby and all stretching funds a bit | 19:02 |
| Kilos | thank you so much Symmetria that will keep the hospital quiet a bit longe | 19:02 |
| Kilos | just spread the link around | 19:02 |
| nsnzero | Kilos: hows things going with the reverification process ? | 19:03 |
| superfly | nsnzero: it's not really a "process" | 19:04 |
| nsnzero | hi superfly | 19:05 |
| nsnzero | superfly: just enquiring if any help is needed | 19:05 |
| superfly | nsnzero: we basically pitch up in the right IRC channel at the right time, and show the LoCo Council that we've been active the last 2 years by showing them the activities on our reverification page | 19:05 |
| superfly | nsnzero: yes, we do. if you know of anything we can add to our reverification page, then please add it | 19:06 |
| nsnzero | roger that superfly | 19:06 |
| superfly | nsnzero: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2016 | 19:08 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen inetpro | 19:08 |
| Maaz | Kilos: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 23 hours, 51 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-12-13 21:16:28 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-12-10 15:14:12 SAST | 19:08 |
| Kilos | oh my maybe he has gone on holiday again | 19:08 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: or broken something :) | 19:10 |
| Kilos | nono he fixes things quick | 19:11 |
| Kilos | maybe family commitments atm | 19:11 |
| Kilos | he has lappy and droid fone to get here if he wants | 19:12 |
| Symmetria | btw - for those of you that like Android phones | 19:13 |
| Symmetria | the Huawei P9 is a pretty sweet toy | 19:13 |
| nsnzero | its got good specs - i have the lite | 19:15 |
| nsnzero | superfly: the durban linux user group's link is down | 19:20 |
| superfly | nsnzero: I didn't put it up, and I'm not sure what it is. | 19:20 |
| superfly | ohi Symmetria | 19:20 |
| nsnzero | goodnight all and take care | 19:33 |
| Kilos | night nsnzero | 19:34 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:34 |
| Kilos | hi kulelu88 | 20:25 |
| kulelu88 | hi | 20:26 |
| Kilos | hi dude42 dont you sleep either | 20:44 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 20:56 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| superfly | hi kulelu88 | 21:28 |
| kulelu88 | hi superfly | 21:28 |
| dude42 | hi | 21:40 |
| dude42 | mmmm I do sleep | 21:40 |
| dude42 | oh hes gone | 21:40 |
| superfly | haha, that's Kilos for you, dude42 | 21:40 |
| dude42 | should probably have mentioned that I live in australia | 21:41 |
| dude42 | its morning here | 21:41 |
| superfly | dude42: oh, yes, good evening from the past :-) | 21:42 |
| dude42 | haha | 21:43 |
| dude42 | utc is always the same :) | 21:43 |
| superfly | I once had to organise an IRC meeting with people in places like Australia, the UK and the USA. It wasn't easy finding a time suitable for everyone... | 21:50 |
| dude42 | yeah tell me about it | 21:51 |
| dude42 | meeting with people in france over skype is fun enough | 21:51 |
| dude42 | I got to be up at 5 AM to suit everyone | 21:52 |
| superfly | I've had to do something similar | 21:58 |
| superfly | except I think I had to meet at something like 1am, with the brits 2 hours behind me and everyone else in daylight hours | 21:58 |
| dude42 | fun times | 21:58 |
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