| knome | we have that one redirection stuff ticket open | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | and - note that it's not www.xubuntu.org, it's xubuntu.org :P | 00:00 |
| pleia2 | I know, unrelated discovery | 00:00 |
| pleia2 | oh, hm | 00:00 |
| knome | but yeah, this is again too server for me to worry about it | 00:00 |
| pleia2 | so www.x.o expired, but x.o is fine | 00:01 |
| knome | https still isn't default | 00:01 |
| knome | but xubuntu.com redirects to https | 00:01 |
| * pleia2 headscratch | 00:01 | |
| knome | www.xubuntu.com redirects to http | 00:01 |
| pleia2 | maybe I just have caching | 00:01 |
| knome | i think i need to poke them tickets | 00:01 |
| pleia2 | I'll poke around this later and submit something if it's all still broken | 00:02 |
| * pleia2 adds note to etherpad | 00:02 | |
| knome | updated RT #26794 | 00:04 |
| knome | ok, so what next? | 00:07 |
| knome | should we figure out the other #lovexubuntu winner? | 00:07 |
| knome | and the finalists too | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | I put a todo list in the etherpad | 00:09 |
| knome | i noticed | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | trying to order food now because I haven't eaten recently | 00:09 |
| knome | mhm | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | almost forgot about council blog post, added to pad | 00:12 |
| knome | ugh | 00:13 |
| knome | :) | 00:13 |
| knome | i'll look into that in a bit | 00:13 |
| pleia2 | anyone find any other 16.10 links? https://xubuntu.org/release/16-10/ | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | ah, there's http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-16-10-released-includes-xfce-packages-built-with-gtk-plus-3-technologies-509273.shtml too | 00:50 |
| knome | well, there are some results not listed there when you google "xubuntu 16.10 review", but i'm not sure how far that way we are willing to go | 00:51 |
| knome | wait, no | 00:51 |
| knome | they are the same review | 00:51 |
| knome | sigh at aggregating sites | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | heh, yeah | 00:51 |
| knome | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWE8ZHacNE | 00:51 |
| knome | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ3gT8zcFBk | 00:52 |
| pleia2 | not so keen on videos | 00:52 |
| knome | well... | 00:52 |
| knome | that's the media of the day | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | get off my lawn | 00:54 |
| knome | :) | 00:54 |
| knome | i think it would be most beneficial to have reviews and links that are useful for the users | 00:54 |
| knome | but that would mean watching or at least glancing the videos | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | if someone wants to watch one and tells me it's good, I'd consider it | 00:55 |
| knome | i know | 00:55 |
| pleia2 | alright, these three links are really the only ones I can find | 00:58 |
| knome | oki | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, thanks for the bug reports (and link to testable file)! | 01:01 |
| knome | pleia2, just to get it recorded - one thing we considered/discussed about the council article was putting some "human" in it - i still think that'd be a good idea (along with AUA and potential team member interviews/etc) | 01:05 |
| knome | so if you have an idea what that could be, that would be awesome | 01:05 |
| pleia2 | thanks, I'll think about it | 01:05 |
| knome | i could then put in my part of it and kick the other council members to do it as well | 01:05 |
| knome | ok, and now sleepy sleepy | 01:06 |
| knome | night! | 01:06 |
| pleia2 | night :) thanks! | 01:06 |
| knome | and thanks to you too for everything :) | 01:06 |
| knome | --> | 01:06 |
| pleia2 | tweeted about the new Chinese mirrors being added | 01:17 |
| pleia2 | confirmed that we received the dev.xubuntu.org VPS funding from the community fund in December of 2015, so I've placed a new request to cover 2017 | 03:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: welcome - I'll ping someone in -desktop bout the totem one - pretty confident if that fixes the one I really care about will too - I know that parole was working prior to gstreamer update | 06:22 |
| flocculant | pleia2 knome - re community funding - I noticed there are now 2 ubuntu flavours asking for donations outside the normal method, mate and this budgie thing - remind me why we don't? | 06:23 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: I didn't know here was a way outside the normal method | 06:29 |
| pleia2 | german ancestry, I like following the rules :) | 06:29 |
| flocculant | lol | 06:30 |
| flocculant | seems like some flavours bend them :p | 06:30 |
| pleia2 | heh | 06:31 |
| pleia2 | what do they do? | 06:31 |
| pleia2 | I've tried going outside the fund entirely and requesting things directly from the hosting companies (got a Linode for ubuntu-us.org that way) but they're being a bit more restrictive these days | 06:32 |
| pleia2 | we're not a non-profit, etc | 06:32 |
| flocculant | budgie have patreon and paypal options for users to donate, mate do similar, https://ubuntu-mate.org/donate/ | 06:33 |
| pleia2 | I'm not willing to put myself at risk legally when it comes to holding funds like that | 06:33 |
| pleia2 | might be easier for someone outside of the US | 06:34 |
| flocculant | not asking anyone to do that - just mentioning it again :) | 06:34 |
| * pleia2 nods | 06:34 | |
| flocculant | I guess that would be something that Xubuntu Council should mull over \o/ | 06:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah make them do it! | 06:37 |
| * pleia2 sleep & | 06:37 | |
| flocculant | knome bluesabre ochosi ^^ | 06:37 |
| pleia2 | but in the meantime, I did submit the request and it should be fine | 06:38 |
| * pleia2 goes for real now | 06:38 | |
| flocculant | [1]yup - thanks pleia2 | 06:45 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: mentioned in -desktop | 07:35 |
| knome | pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/ | 09:16 |
| knome | pleia2, uses shortcode | 09:16 |
| knome | flocculant, ack | 09:17 |
| knome | pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/archive/ too, though i notice the order is wonky | 09:18 |
| knome | meh :) | 09:18 |
| knome | oh well, i'll get that fixed for next | 09:18 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/release/16-04/ | 09:29 |
| knome | now with sidebar! | 09:29 |
| knome | pleia2, please glance at http://xubuntu.org/?p=4171&preview=true once you have time and either ACK it or propose/do changes for publishing | 09:45 |
| knome | bbl | 09:54 |
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| knome | pleia2, was toying a bit with this: http://staging.xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ | 13:59 |
| knome | pleia2, to clarify, these lists are created automatically with a shortcode, using a internal database of mirrors (with URL templates where we replace the version number) | 14:15 |
| knome | *an | 14:15 |
| knome | so creating a new list for a new release is as easy as changing the shortcode | 14:15 |
| knome | and adding a mirror (or deleting one) is as easy as adding a new post in wordpress | 14:16 |
| knome | -- then all lists are updated | 14:16 |
| knome | i also have two checkboxes; active (setting inactive means the mirror is essentially not showing up) and "main"/"not main", which controls whether the mirror in question is shown on the initial list of mirrors | 14:16 |
| knome | bbl | 14:24 |
| knome | pleia2, some more work with the release links -> http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ | 16:04 |
| knome | pleia2, not completely satisfied with the organization of that yet, maybe i'll hide all direct download links first and only allow them to appear with a click | 16:05 |
| knome | now sauna, bbl | 16:06 |
| slickymaster | right knome | 17:42 |
| slickymaster | that means a need for a thighter watch | 17:43 |
| knome | slickymaster, watch for what? | 17:45 |
| flocculant | knome: thighter's | 17:46 |
| knome | :P | 17:46 |
| slickymaster | hi knome | 17:46 |
| slickymaster | the docs main branch | 17:46 |
| knome | slickymaster, oh right, you're replying to ancient stuff :) | 17:47 |
| slickymaster | oh wait | 17:47 |
| knome | but yes, indeed | 17:47 |
| slickymaster | well, the push rights is just for team members, so forget it | 17:48 |
| slickymaster | didn't read it all the way through :P | 17:48 |
| knome | sure, but it still means we don't want to let anybody in who is just starting to contribute | 17:48 |
| slickymaster | yes | 17:48 |
| knome | so it is tighter than it's now | 17:48 |
| slickymaster | hm hm | 17:48 |
| flocculant | knome: i THOGHT WE'D DONE THAT | 17:56 |
| flocculant | oops | 17:56 |
| knome | flocculant, WHAT? | 17:57 |
| flocculant | the old tracker link | 17:57 |
| knome | me too | 17:57 |
| knome | but | 17:57 |
| knome | that happens :) | 17:57 |
| flocculant | yup :) | 17:57 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r626 Update the tracker description (and more importantly, link) ... (by Pasi Lallinaho) | 18:51 | |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r627 Update the entity file with the new status tracker link.... (by Pasi Lallinaho) | 18:51 | |
| flocculant | I thort we'd done that :D | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | knome: yay for press pages working again, thank you (even if archive ordering is wonky) | 19:15 |
| knome | pleia2, archive ordering will be fixed in the next upload | 19:18 |
| knome | pleia2, did you look at the NEW updates on staging? | 19:18 |
| knome | pleia2, and do you think we want to start using them? | 19:19 |
| knome | pleia2, ok, so i have another idea, which i literally just figured out i probably want to do | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | not yet, just got back from dr appointment so just settling in | 19:23 |
| knome | pleia2, add a "Releases" (or sth similar) under "About", working as the "front page" for browsing the releases | 19:23 |
| knome | pleia2, then move the "About and around" (this is under the Press page now) under "The community" | 19:23 |
| knome | pleia2, and finally, make the screenshot page work much like the press page; we have the information to sort our screenshots based on releases as well | 19:24 |
| knome | pleia2, yet another thing is potentially moving FAQ out of the menu structure - it hasn't been updated since august 2014 | 19:25 |
| knome | i'm also kind of playing with the idea to make any and every place we mention a version number a link | 19:26 |
| knome | with some JS obviously | 19:26 |
| knome | but that's kind of.. for later | 19:26 |
| * pleia2 catches up on backscroll first | 19:27 | |
| knome | sure | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | for normal humans the staging getxubuntu site doesn't look much different than the live one | 19:33 |
| knome | indeed | 19:33 |
| knome | so look at the mirror downloads section | 19:34 |
| knome | and press the "full"/"all" links | 19:34 |
| knome | and you'll notice a big difference | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | ah yeah, no more direct links to FTP/HTTP/Info | 19:34 |
| knome | yeah | 19:35 |
| knome | no more FTP to be exact | 19:35 |
| knome | the big change here is | 19:35 |
| knome | this is dynamically created | 19:35 |
| knome | the markup for the new one is simply: | 19:35 |
| knome | [mirrors release=14-04] | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | does anyone even use ftp to download these? | 19:35 |
| knome | they can get to that from the info | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | right | 19:35 |
| knome | the info shows up when you open the full list | 19:35 |
| knome | but anyway | 19:35 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:35 | |
| knome | you like this? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | yep, it's good | 19:36 |
| knome | ok | 19:36 |
| knome | next thing is a release page | 19:36 |
| knome | eg. http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ vs. http://xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ | 19:36 |
| knome | first, forget the sidebar | 19:36 |
| knome | i just haven't set that up on staging | 19:36 |
| knome | but on staging, you can see the torrent links | 19:36 |
| knome | those are new fields that we can insert (and update) per release | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | I liked the new sidebar :) | 19:37 |
| knome | yes, that will stay | 19:37 |
| knome | and we have the same direct/mirror downloads list here | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | k | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I think this is better | 19:37 |
| knome | but i'm not sure about how it's presented currently | 19:37 |
| knome | maybe we should make it a link in the release links section | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | articles and things are great, but I think what most people will want is download info | 19:37 |
| knome | then when that's clicked, pop up the direct download list | 19:38 |
| * pleia2 shrugs | 19:38 | |
| knome | alternatively, we could drop the torrent links above the direct downloads like the get xubuntu page | 19:38 |
| knome | ...but i tried that, and it looked weird without any text around the buttons | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | ah, hm | 19:39 |
| knome | so maybe the answer is to move the description above the codename etc. | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | perhaps | 19:39 |
| knome | but yeah, this is totally automatized too | 19:39 |
| knome | so one more thing you'll notice here is the online doc link | 19:39 |
| knome | IF WE WANT | 19:39 |
| knome | i can create a shortcode | 19:40 |
| knome | that lists all of the non-EOL, non-released releases that have a docs link | 19:40 |
| knome | think: the help & support page list | 19:40 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/help/ <- the list in the green box | 19:40 |
| knome | then just s/The supported releases are:/The documentation for supported releases can be found via the following links:/ or stjh | 19:41 |
| knome | so basically automatize everything that is related to releases - or at least make us update it only once | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | I think that makes sense | 19:42 |
| knome | yes, good | 19:42 |
| knome | so i have to write that - np though, it's a trivial piece of code | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 19:43 |
| knome | so now that we have this sorted out, what about the new releases main page? | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | which one is that? | 19:43 |
| knome | none yet | 19:43 |
| knome | i was thinking: list all non-EOL releases, LTSs first, newest first | 19:43 |
| knome | at least the release number and codename, maybe the description | 19:43 |
| knome | and a link to the release page | 19:43 |
| knome | that might be enough | 19:43 |
| knome | and that would obviously share the saem sidebar as the release pages | 19:44 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:44 | |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 19:44 |
| knome | you probably read the part about the maintenance of mirrors, but it will be super easy after this upload | 19:44 |
| knome | like, something is down, you can either delete it for good or mark inactive | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | ooh, inactive | 19:45 |
| knome | and you can check/uncheck mirrors to be shown/not shown on the initial list | 19:45 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:45 | |
| knome | that said, we might want to look to make that a little smaller | 19:45 |
| knome | the new china thing for example, it's only a 100Mbps server | 19:46 |
| knome | also, do we want to duplicate UK | 19:46 |
| knome | etc. | 19:46 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:46 | |
| knome | but again, that's just checkboxes in wp-admin | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | okie | 19:47 |
| knome | ok, i'll stitch the not yet done pieces together tonight and then file another ticket to get that up | 19:47 |
| knome | then we need some initial form work after which we are ready to go | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | no problem | 19:47 |
| knome | also, i wrote a blog article about this | 19:47 |
| knome | but since we are moving so fast, i'll update that to say we have it all now rather than "we might have something later" | 19:48 |
| knome | but you might want to glance at that too as i mentioned ;) | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | I'm on the east coast next week, but I am not actually going to be super busy, still jobless and mostly just going there to hang out and spend evenings with friends+family :) | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | sure | 19:48 |
| knome | i will literally have this ready your today | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | oh ok | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | I still need to review the council blog post | 19:49 |
| knome | most of the stuff is ready already on staging | 19:49 |
| knome | i just wanted your input before pushing to branches | 19:49 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:49 | |
| knome | http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/#show-all | 19:52 |
| knome | different order | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | that's better, intro first | 19:56 |
| knome | pleia2, http://staging.xubuntu.org/help/ | 20:15 |
| knome | in production, we bold LTSs, is that needed? | 20:15 |
| knome | in production, we also list here how long releases are supported. needed? | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | I liked the green | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | no bold though | 20:16 |
| knome | oh meh :D | 20:16 |
| knome | you're focusing on the wrong things | 20:16 |
| knome | the green will be there | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | I like listing how long they are supported, people are ALWAYS confused | 20:17 |
| knome | oki | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | (because 5 year Ubuntu lts) | 20:17 |
| knome | i'll figure out how to do that then | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | ty | 20:18 |
| knome | oki, look now | 20:24 |
| * pleia2 thumbs up | 20:35 | |
| knome | pleia2, aaand here: http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/ | 20:45 |
| knome | can haz any content between page title and the release blobs | 20:45 |
| knome | and will have the "releases" sidebar, where you can dump more | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | geez, how many of these releases page do we have | 20:46 |
| knome | this and one for each release :P | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | well ok :) | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | I guess I was also thinking about the download page | 20:47 |
| knome | yes | 20:47 |
| knome | then we have the list on the docs page | 20:47 |
| knome | but that's useful repetition | 20:47 |
| knome | besides, download page is still manual | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | agreed, just making sure we don't get out of hand | 20:47 |
| knome | we don't list two LTSs there for example | 20:47 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:47 | |
| knome | no, i think this is really needed because currently it's all just really meh | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:47 |
| knome | there's no easy way to discover these pages | 20:48 |
| knome | the release pages, that is | 20:48 |
| knome | *i* know how to find them | 20:48 |
| knome | but it's always meh | 20:48 |
| knome | (go to blog, find the links in the sidebar) | 20:48 |
| knome | (yes, that's not where the usual user would look) | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 20:48 |
| knome | http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/ | 20:49 |
| knome | lorem ipsum there just for proving concept | 20:49 |
| knome | we probably want to say stuff like xubuntu is released every 6 months and lts every 2 years, support lengths, here you can see all of the supported releases | 20:50 |
| knome | and visit their release pages for lots more | 20:51 |
| pleia2 | yeah, just so long as the text doesn't need updating much | 20:53 |
| knome | nope | 20:53 |
| knome | just something generic | 20:53 |
| knome | huh, deja vu | 20:58 |
| knome | weird :) | 20:58 |
| knome | ok, RT ticket filed | 21:06 |
| knome | screenshot thingy not yet done | 21:06 |
| knome | but that's minor imo | 21:06 |
| * pleia2 nods | 21:09 | |
| knome | huh | 21:10 |
| knome | that was a sprint too | 21:10 |
| pleia2 | what was? | 21:13 |
| knome | the above ^ | 21:13 |
| pleia2 | (lunch arrived, munching and then will for real focus on council blog post) | 21:13 |
| knome | :) | 21:14 |
| pleia2 | having a hard time being creative about this council article, though it totally deserves it | 22:50 |
| knome | feel free to just delete etc | 22:53 |
| knome | pleia2, still not feeling creative? | 23:51 |
| pleia2 | distracted again :( | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | I think "resolutor" is a made up word | 23:56 |
| knome | :) | 23:57 |
| knome | aren't all words made up? | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | yeah, silly humans | 23:57 |
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