[00:00] <knome> we have that one redirection stuff ticket open
[00:00] <knome> and - note that it's not www.xubuntu.org, it's xubuntu.org :P
[00:00] <pleia2> I know, unrelated discovery
[00:00] <pleia2> oh, hm
[00:00] <knome> but yeah, this is again too server for me to worry about it
[00:01] <pleia2> so www.x.o expired, but x.o is fine
[00:01] <knome> https still isn't default
[00:01] <knome> but xubuntu.com redirects to https
[00:01]  * pleia2 headscratch
[00:01] <knome> www.xubuntu.com redirects to http
[00:01] <pleia2> maybe I just have caching
[00:01] <knome> i think i need to poke them tickets
[00:02] <pleia2> I'll poke around this later and submit something if it's all still broken
[00:02]  * pleia2 adds note to etherpad
[00:04] <knome> updated RT #26794
[00:07] <knome> ok, so what next?
[00:07] <knome> should we figure out the other #lovexubuntu winner?
[00:08] <knome> and the finalists too
[00:09] <pleia2> I put a todo list in the etherpad
[00:09] <knome> i noticed
[00:09] <pleia2> trying to order food now because I haven't eaten recently
[00:09] <knome> mhm
[00:12] <pleia2> almost forgot about council blog post, added to pad
[00:13] <knome> ugh
[00:13] <knome> :)
[00:13] <knome> i'll look into that in a bit
[00:49] <pleia2> anyone find any other 16.10 links? https://xubuntu.org/release/16-10/
[00:50] <pleia2> ah, there's http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-16-10-released-includes-xfce-packages-built-with-gtk-plus-3-technologies-509273.shtml too
[00:51] <knome> well, there are some results not listed there when you google "xubuntu 16.10 review", but i'm not sure how far that way we are willing to go
[00:51] <knome> wait, no
[00:51] <knome> they are the same review
[00:51] <knome> sigh at aggregating sites
[00:51] <pleia2> heh, yeah
[00:51] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWE8ZHacNE
[00:52] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ3gT8zcFBk
[00:52] <pleia2> not so keen on videos
[00:52] <knome> well...
[00:53] <knome> that's the media of the day
[00:54] <pleia2> get off my lawn
[00:54] <knome> :)
[00:54] <knome> i think it would be most beneficial to have reviews and links that are useful for the users
[00:54] <knome> but that would mean watching or at least glancing the videos
[00:55] <pleia2> if someone wants to watch one and tells me it's good, I'd consider it
[00:55] <knome> i know
[00:58] <pleia2> alright, these three links are really the only ones I can find
[00:59] <knome> oki
[01:01] <bluesabre> flocculant, thanks for the bug reports (and link to testable file)!
[01:05] <knome> pleia2, just to get it recorded - one thing we considered/discussed about the council article was putting some "human" in it - i still think that'd be a good idea (along with AUA and potential team member interviews/etc)
[01:05] <knome> so if you have an idea what that could be, that would be awesome
[01:05] <pleia2> thanks, I'll think about it
[01:05] <knome> i could then put in my part of it and kick the other council members to do it as well
[01:06] <knome> ok, and now sleepy sleepy
[01:06] <knome> night!
[01:06] <pleia2> night :) thanks!
[01:06] <knome> and thanks to you too for everything :)
[01:06] <knome> -->
[01:17] <pleia2> tweeted about the new Chinese mirrors being added
[03:07] <pleia2> confirmed that we received the dev.xubuntu.org VPS funding from the community fund in December of 2015, so I've placed a new request to cover 2017
[06:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: welcome - I'll ping someone in -desktop bout the totem one - pretty confident if that fixes the one I really care about will too - I know that parole was working prior to gstreamer update
[06:23] <flocculant> pleia2 knome - re community funding - I noticed there are now 2 ubuntu flavours asking for donations outside the normal method, mate and this budgie thing - remind me why we don't?
[06:29] <pleia2> flocculant: I didn't know here was a way outside the normal method
[06:29] <pleia2> german ancestry, I like following the rules :)
[06:30] <flocculant> lol
[06:30] <flocculant> seems like some flavours bend them :p
[06:31] <pleia2> heh
[06:31] <pleia2> what do they do?
[06:32] <pleia2> I've tried going outside the fund entirely and requesting things directly from the hosting companies (got a Linode for ubuntu-us.org that way) but they're being a bit more restrictive these days
[06:32] <pleia2> we're not a non-profit, etc
[06:33] <flocculant> budgie have patreon and paypal options for users to donate, mate do similar, https://ubuntu-mate.org/donate/
[06:33] <pleia2> I'm not willing to put myself at risk legally when it comes to holding funds like that
[06:34] <pleia2> might be easier for someone outside of the US
[06:34] <flocculant> not asking anyone to do that - just mentioning it again :)
[06:34]  * pleia2 nods
[06:37] <flocculant> I guess that would be something that Xubuntu Council should mull over \o/
[06:37] <pleia2> yeah make them do it!
[06:37]  * pleia2 sleep &
[06:37] <flocculant> knome bluesabre ochosi ^^
[06:38] <pleia2> but in the meantime, I did submit the request and it should be fine
[06:38]  * pleia2 goes for real now
[06:45] <flocculant> [1]yup - thanks pleia2 
[07:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: mentioned in -desktop 
[09:16] <knome> pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/
[09:16] <knome> pleia2, uses shortcode
[09:17] <knome> flocculant, ack
[09:18] <knome> pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/archive/ too, though i notice the order is wonky
[09:18] <knome> meh :)
[09:18] <knome> oh well, i'll get that fixed for next
[09:29] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/release/16-04/
[09:29] <knome> now with sidebar!
[09:45] <knome> pleia2, please glance at  http://xubuntu.org/?p=4171&preview=true  once you have time and either ACK it or propose/do changes for publishing
[09:54] <knome> bbl
[13:59] <knome> pleia2, was toying a bit with this: http://staging.xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[14:15] <knome> pleia2, to clarify, these lists are created automatically with a shortcode, using a internal database of mirrors (with URL templates where we replace the version number)
[14:15] <knome> *an
[14:15] <knome> so creating a new list for a new release is as easy as changing the shortcode
[14:16] <knome> and adding a mirror (or deleting one) is as easy as adding a new post in wordpress
[14:16] <knome> -- then all lists are updated
[14:16] <knome> i also have two checkboxes; active (setting inactive means the mirror is essentially not showing up) and "main"/"not main", which controls whether the mirror in question is shown on the initial list of mirrors
[14:24] <knome> bbl
[16:04] <knome> pleia2, some more work with the release links -> http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/
[16:05] <knome> pleia2, not completely satisfied with the organization of that yet, maybe i'll hide all direct download links first and only allow them to appear with a click
[16:06] <knome> now sauna, bbl
[17:42] <slickymaster> right knome 
[17:43] <slickymaster> that means a need for a thighter watch
[17:45] <knome> slickymaster, watch for what?
[17:46] <flocculant> knome: thighter's
[17:46] <knome> :P
[17:46] <slickymaster> hi knome 
[17:46] <slickymaster> the docs main branch
[17:47] <knome> slickymaster, oh right, you're replying to ancient stuff :)
[17:47] <slickymaster> oh wait
[17:47] <knome> but yes, indeed
[17:48] <slickymaster> well, the push rights is just for team members, so forget it
[17:48] <slickymaster> didn't read it all the way through :P
[17:48] <knome> sure, but it still means we don't want to let anybody in who is just starting to contribute
[17:48] <slickymaster> yes
[17:48] <knome> so it is tighter than it's now
[17:48] <slickymaster> hm hm
[17:56] <flocculant> knome: i THOGHT WE'D DONE THAT
[17:56] <flocculant> oops
[17:57] <knome> flocculant, WHAT?
[17:57] <flocculant> the old tracker link
[17:57] <knome> me too
[17:57] <knome> but
[17:57] <knome> that happens :)
[17:57] <flocculant> yup :)
[18:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r626 Update the tracker description (and more importantly, link) ... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[18:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r627 Update the entity file with the new status tracker link.... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[19:10] <flocculant> I thort we'd done that :D
[19:15] <pleia2> knome: yay for press pages working again, thank you (even if archive ordering is wonky)
[19:18] <knome> pleia2, archive ordering will be fixed in the next upload
[19:18] <knome> pleia2, did you look at the NEW updates on staging?
[19:19] <knome> pleia2, and do you think we want to start using them?
[19:22] <knome> pleia2, ok, so i have another idea, which i literally just figured out i probably want to do
[19:23] <pleia2> not yet, just got back from dr appointment so just settling in
[19:23] <knome> pleia2, add a "Releases" (or sth similar) under "About", working as the "front page" for browsing the releases
[19:23] <knome> pleia2, then move the "About and around" (this is under the Press page now) under "The community"
[19:24] <knome> pleia2, and finally, make the screenshot page work much like the press page; we have the information to sort our screenshots based on releases as well
[19:25] <knome> pleia2, yet another thing is potentially moving FAQ out of the menu structure - it hasn't been updated since august 2014 
[19:26] <knome> i'm also kind of playing with the idea to make any and every place we mention a version number a link
[19:26] <knome> with some JS obviously
[19:26] <knome> but that's kind of.. for later
[19:27]  * pleia2 catches up on backscroll first
[19:27] <knome> sure
[19:33] <pleia2> for normal humans the staging getxubuntu site doesn't look much different than the live one
[19:33] <knome> indeed
[19:34] <knome> so look at the mirror downloads section
[19:34] <knome> and press the "full"/"all" links
[19:34] <knome> and you'll notice a big difference
[19:34] <pleia2> ah yeah, no more direct links to FTP/HTTP/Info
[19:35] <knome> yeah
[19:35] <knome> no more FTP to be exact
[19:35] <knome> the big change here is
[19:35] <knome> this is dynamically created
[19:35] <knome> the markup for the new one is simply:
[19:35] <knome> [mirrors release=14-04]
[19:35] <pleia2> does anyone even use ftp to download these?
[19:35] <knome> they can get to that from the info
[19:35] <pleia2> right
[19:35] <knome> the info shows up when you open the full list
[19:35] <knome> but anyway
[19:35]  * pleia2 nods
[19:35] <knome> you like this?
[19:36] <pleia2> yep, it's good
[19:36] <knome> ok
[19:36] <knome> next thing is a release page
[19:36] <knome> eg. http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ vs. http://xubuntu.org/release/14-04/
[19:36] <knome> first, forget the sidebar
[19:36] <knome> i just haven't set that up on staging
[19:36] <knome> but on staging, you can see the torrent links
[19:37] <knome> those are new fields that we can insert (and update) per release
[19:37] <pleia2> I liked the new sidebar :)
[19:37] <knome> yes, that will stay
[19:37] <knome> and we have the same direct/mirror downloads list here
[19:37] <pleia2> k
[19:37] <pleia2> yeah, I think this is better
[19:37] <knome> but i'm not sure about how it's presented currently
[19:37] <knome> maybe we should make it a link in the release links section
[19:37] <pleia2> articles and things are great, but I think what most people will want is download info
[19:38] <knome> then when that's clicked, pop up the direct download list
[19:38]  * pleia2 shrugs
[19:38] <knome> alternatively, we could drop the torrent links above the direct downloads like the get xubuntu page
[19:38] <knome> ...but i tried that, and it looked weird without any text around the buttons
[19:39] <pleia2> ah, hm
[19:39] <knome> so maybe the answer is to move the description above the codename etc.
[19:39] <pleia2> perhaps
[19:39] <knome> but yeah, this is totally automatized too
[19:39] <knome> so one more thing you'll notice here is the online doc link
[19:39] <knome> IF WE WANT
[19:40] <knome> i can create a shortcode
[19:40] <knome> that lists all of the non-EOL, non-released releases that have a docs link
[19:40] <knome> think: the help & support page list
[19:40] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/help/ <- the list in the green box
[19:41] <knome> then just s/The supported releases are:/The documentation for supported releases can be found via the following links:/ or stjh
[19:42] <knome> so basically automatize everything that is related to releases - or at least make us update it only once
[19:42] <pleia2> I think that makes sense
[19:42] <knome> yes, good
[19:42] <knome> so i have to write that - np though, it's a trivial piece of code
[19:43] <pleia2> thank you :)
[19:43] <knome> so now that we have this sorted out, what about the new releases main page?
[19:43] <pleia2> which one is that?
[19:43] <knome> none yet
[19:43] <knome> i was thinking: list all non-EOL releases, LTSs first, newest first
[19:43] <knome> at least the release number and codename, maybe the description
[19:43] <knome> and a link to the release page
[19:43] <knome> that might be enough
[19:44] <knome> and that would obviously share the saem sidebar as the release pages
[19:44]  * pleia2 nods
[19:44] <pleia2> sounds good
[19:44] <knome> you probably read the part about the maintenance of mirrors, but it will be super easy after this upload
[19:45] <knome> like, something is down, you can either delete it for good or mark inactive
[19:45] <pleia2> ooh, inactive
[19:45] <knome> and you can check/uncheck mirrors to be shown/not shown on the initial list
[19:45]  * pleia2 nods
[19:45] <knome> that said, we might want to look to make that a little smaller
[19:46] <knome> the new china thing for example, it's only a 100Mbps server
[19:46] <knome> also, do we want to duplicate UK
[19:46] <knome> etc.
[19:46]  * pleia2 nods
[19:46] <knome> but again, that's just checkboxes in wp-admin
[19:47] <pleia2> okie
[19:47] <knome> ok, i'll stitch the not yet done pieces together tonight and then file another ticket to get that up
[19:47] <knome> then we need some initial form work after which we are ready to go
[19:47] <pleia2> no problem
[19:47] <knome> also, i wrote a blog article about this
[19:48] <knome> but since we are moving so fast, i'll update that to say we have it all now rather than "we might have something later"
[19:48] <knome> but you might want to glance at that too as i mentioned ;)
[19:48] <pleia2> I'm on the east coast next week, but I am not actually going to be super busy, still jobless and mostly just going there to hang out and spend evenings with friends+family :)
[19:48] <pleia2> sure
[19:48] <knome> i will literally have this ready your today
[19:49] <pleia2> oh ok
[19:49] <pleia2> I still need to review the council blog post
[19:49] <knome> most of the stuff is ready already on staging
[19:49] <knome> i just wanted your input before pushing to branches
[19:49]  * pleia2 nods
[19:52] <knome> http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/#show-all
[19:52] <knome> different order
[19:56] <pleia2> that's better, intro first
[20:15] <knome> pleia2, http://staging.xubuntu.org/help/
[20:15] <knome> in production, we bold LTSs, is that needed?
[20:15] <knome> in production, we also list here how long releases are supported. needed?
[20:16] <pleia2> I liked the green
[20:16] <pleia2> no bold though
[20:16] <knome> oh meh :D
[20:16] <knome> you're focusing on the wrong things
[20:16] <knome> the green will be there
[20:17] <pleia2> hehe
[20:17] <pleia2> I like listing how long they are supported, people are ALWAYS confused
[20:17] <knome> oki
[20:17] <pleia2> (because 5 year Ubuntu lts)
[20:17] <knome> i'll figure out how to do that then
[20:18] <pleia2> ty
[20:24] <knome> oki, look now
[20:35]  * pleia2 thumbs up
[20:45] <knome> pleia2, aaand here: http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/
[20:45] <knome> can haz any content between page title and the release blobs
[20:46] <knome> and will have the "releases" sidebar, where you can dump more
[20:46] <pleia2> geez, how many of these releases page do we have
[20:46] <knome> this and one for each release :P
[20:46] <pleia2> well ok :)
[20:47] <pleia2> I guess I was also thinking about the download page
[20:47] <knome> yes
[20:47] <knome> then we have the list on the docs page
[20:47] <knome> but that's useful repetition
[20:47] <knome> besides, download page is still manual
[20:47] <pleia2> agreed, just making sure we don't get out of hand
[20:47] <knome> we don't list two LTSs there for example
[20:47]  * pleia2 nods
[20:47] <knome> no, i think this is really needed because currently it's all just really meh
[20:47] <pleia2> hehe
[20:48] <knome> there's no easy way to discover these pages
[20:48] <knome> the release pages, that is
[20:48] <knome> *i* know how to find them
[20:48] <knome> but it's always meh
[20:48] <knome> (go to blog, find the links in the sidebar)
[20:48] <knome> (yes, that's not where the usual user would look)
[20:48] <pleia2> yeah
[20:49] <knome> http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/
[20:49] <knome> lorem ipsum there just for proving concept
[20:50] <knome> we probably want to say stuff like xubuntu is released every 6 months and lts every 2 years, support lengths, here you can see all of the supported releases
[20:51] <knome> and visit their release pages for lots more
[20:53] <pleia2> yeah, just so long as the text doesn't need updating much
[20:53] <knome> nope
[20:53] <knome> just something generic
[20:58] <knome> huh, deja vu
[20:58] <knome> weird :)
[21:06] <knome> ok, RT ticket filed
[21:06] <knome> screenshot thingy not yet done
[21:06] <knome> but that's minor imo
[21:09]  * pleia2 nods
[21:10] <knome> huh
[21:10] <knome> that was a sprint too
[21:13] <pleia2> what was?
[21:13] <knome> the above ^
[21:13] <pleia2> (lunch arrived, munching and then will for real focus on  council blog post)
[21:14] <knome> :)
[22:50] <pleia2> having a hard time being creative about this council article, though it totally deserves it
[22:53] <knome> feel free to just delete etc
[23:51] <knome> pleia2, still not feeling creative?
[23:52] <pleia2> distracted again :(
[23:56] <pleia2> I think "resolutor" is a made up word
[23:57] <knome> :)
[23:57] <knome> aren't all words made up?
[23:57] <pleia2> yeah, silly humans