[00:00] we have that one redirection stuff ticket open [00:00] and - note that it's not www.xubuntu.org, it's xubuntu.org :P [00:00] I know, unrelated discovery [00:00] oh, hm [00:00] but yeah, this is again too server for me to worry about it [00:01] so www.x.o expired, but x.o is fine [00:01] https still isn't default [00:01] but xubuntu.com redirects to https [00:01] * pleia2 headscratch [00:01] www.xubuntu.com redirects to http [00:01] maybe I just have caching [00:01] i think i need to poke them tickets [00:02] I'll poke around this later and submit something if it's all still broken [00:02] * pleia2 adds note to etherpad [00:04] updated RT #26794 [00:07] ok, so what next? [00:07] should we figure out the other #lovexubuntu winner? [00:08] and the finalists too [00:09] I put a todo list in the etherpad [00:09] i noticed [00:09] trying to order food now because I haven't eaten recently [00:09] mhm [00:12] almost forgot about council blog post, added to pad [00:13] ugh [00:13] :) [00:13] i'll look into that in a bit [00:49] anyone find any other 16.10 links? https://xubuntu.org/release/16-10/ [00:50] ah, there's http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-16-10-released-includes-xfce-packages-built-with-gtk-plus-3-technologies-509273.shtml too [00:51] well, there are some results not listed there when you google "xubuntu 16.10 review", but i'm not sure how far that way we are willing to go [00:51] wait, no [00:51] they are the same review [00:51] sigh at aggregating sites [00:51] heh, yeah [00:51] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWE8ZHacNE [00:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ3gT8zcFBk [00:52] not so keen on videos [00:52] well... [00:53] that's the media of the day [00:54] get off my lawn [00:54] :) [00:54] i think it would be most beneficial to have reviews and links that are useful for the users [00:54] but that would mean watching or at least glancing the videos [00:55] if someone wants to watch one and tells me it's good, I'd consider it [00:55] i know [00:58] alright, these three links are really the only ones I can find [00:59] oki [01:01] flocculant, thanks for the bug reports (and link to testable file)! [01:05] pleia2, just to get it recorded - one thing we considered/discussed about the council article was putting some "human" in it - i still think that'd be a good idea (along with AUA and potential team member interviews/etc) [01:05] so if you have an idea what that could be, that would be awesome [01:05] thanks, I'll think about it [01:05] i could then put in my part of it and kick the other council members to do it as well [01:06] ok, and now sleepy sleepy [01:06] night! [01:06] night :) thanks! [01:06] and thanks to you too for everything :) [01:06] --> [01:17] tweeted about the new Chinese mirrors being added [03:07] confirmed that we received the dev.xubuntu.org VPS funding from the community fund in December of 2015, so I've placed a new request to cover 2017 [06:22] bluesabre: welcome - I'll ping someone in -desktop bout the totem one - pretty confident if that fixes the one I really care about will too - I know that parole was working prior to gstreamer update [06:23] pleia2 knome - re community funding - I noticed there are now 2 ubuntu flavours asking for donations outside the normal method, mate and this budgie thing - remind me why we don't? [06:29] flocculant: I didn't know here was a way outside the normal method [06:29] german ancestry, I like following the rules :) [06:30] lol [06:30] seems like some flavours bend them :p [06:31] heh [06:31] what do they do? [06:32] I've tried going outside the fund entirely and requesting things directly from the hosting companies (got a Linode for ubuntu-us.org that way) but they're being a bit more restrictive these days [06:32] we're not a non-profit, etc [06:33] budgie have patreon and paypal options for users to donate, mate do similar, https://ubuntu-mate.org/donate/ [06:33] I'm not willing to put myself at risk legally when it comes to holding funds like that [06:34] might be easier for someone outside of the US [06:34] not asking anyone to do that - just mentioning it again :) [06:34] * pleia2 nods [06:37] I guess that would be something that Xubuntu Council should mull over \o/ [06:37] yeah make them do it! [06:37] * pleia2 sleep & [06:37] knome bluesabre ochosi ^^ [06:38] but in the meantime, I did submit the request and it should be fine [06:38] * pleia2 goes for real now [06:45] [1]yup - thanks pleia2 [07:35] bluesabre: mentioned in -desktop [09:16] pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/ [09:16] pleia2, uses shortcode [09:17] flocculant, ack [09:18] pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/press/archive/ too, though i notice the order is wonky [09:18] meh :) [09:18] oh well, i'll get that fixed for next [09:29] http://xubuntu.org/release/16-04/ [09:29] now with sidebar! [09:45] pleia2, please glance at http://xubuntu.org/?p=4171&preview=true once you have time and either ACK it or propose/do changes for publishing [09:54] bbl === akxwi-dave_ is now known as akxwi-dave [13:59] pleia2, was toying a bit with this: http://staging.xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ [14:15] pleia2, to clarify, these lists are created automatically with a shortcode, using a internal database of mirrors (with URL templates where we replace the version number) [14:15] *an [14:15] so creating a new list for a new release is as easy as changing the shortcode [14:16] and adding a mirror (or deleting one) is as easy as adding a new post in wordpress [14:16] -- then all lists are updated [14:16] i also have two checkboxes; active (setting inactive means the mirror is essentially not showing up) and "main"/"not main", which controls whether the mirror in question is shown on the initial list of mirrors [14:24] bbl [16:04] pleia2, some more work with the release links -> http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ [16:05] pleia2, not completely satisfied with the organization of that yet, maybe i'll hide all direct download links first and only allow them to appear with a click [16:06] now sauna, bbl [17:42] right knome [17:43] that means a need for a thighter watch [17:45] slickymaster, watch for what? [17:46] knome: thighter's [17:46] :P [17:46] hi knome [17:46] the docs main branch [17:47] slickymaster, oh right, you're replying to ancient stuff :) [17:47] oh wait [17:47] but yes, indeed [17:48] well, the push rights is just for team members, so forget it [17:48] didn't read it all the way through :P [17:48] sure, but it still means we don't want to let anybody in who is just starting to contribute [17:48] yes [17:48] so it is tighter than it's now [17:48] hm hm [17:56] knome: i THOGHT WE'D DONE THAT [17:56] oops [17:57] flocculant, WHAT? [17:57] the old tracker link [17:57] me too [17:57] but [17:57] that happens :) [17:57] yup :) [18:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r626 Update the tracker description (and more importantly, link) ... (by Pasi Lallinaho) [18:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [zesty] r627 Update the entity file with the new status tracker link.... (by Pasi Lallinaho) [19:10] I thort we'd done that :D [19:15] knome: yay for press pages working again, thank you (even if archive ordering is wonky) [19:18] pleia2, archive ordering will be fixed in the next upload [19:18] pleia2, did you look at the NEW updates on staging? [19:19] pleia2, and do you think we want to start using them? [19:22] pleia2, ok, so i have another idea, which i literally just figured out i probably want to do [19:23] not yet, just got back from dr appointment so just settling in [19:23] pleia2, add a "Releases" (or sth similar) under "About", working as the "front page" for browsing the releases [19:23] pleia2, then move the "About and around" (this is under the Press page now) under "The community" [19:24] pleia2, and finally, make the screenshot page work much like the press page; we have the information to sort our screenshots based on releases as well [19:25] pleia2, yet another thing is potentially moving FAQ out of the menu structure - it hasn't been updated since august 2014 [19:26] i'm also kind of playing with the idea to make any and every place we mention a version number a link [19:26] with some JS obviously [19:26] but that's kind of.. for later [19:27] * pleia2 catches up on backscroll first [19:27] sure [19:33] for normal humans the staging getxubuntu site doesn't look much different than the live one [19:33] indeed [19:34] so look at the mirror downloads section [19:34] and press the "full"/"all" links [19:34] and you'll notice a big difference [19:34] ah yeah, no more direct links to FTP/HTTP/Info [19:35] yeah [19:35] no more FTP to be exact [19:35] the big change here is [19:35] this is dynamically created [19:35] the markup for the new one is simply: [19:35] [mirrors release=14-04] [19:35] does anyone even use ftp to download these? [19:35] they can get to that from the info [19:35] right [19:35] the info shows up when you open the full list [19:35] but anyway [19:35] * pleia2 nods [19:35] you like this? [19:36] yep, it's good [19:36] ok [19:36] next thing is a release page [19:36] eg. http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ vs. http://xubuntu.org/release/14-04/ [19:36] first, forget the sidebar [19:36] i just haven't set that up on staging [19:36] but on staging, you can see the torrent links [19:37] those are new fields that we can insert (and update) per release [19:37] I liked the new sidebar :) [19:37] yes, that will stay [19:37] and we have the same direct/mirror downloads list here [19:37] k [19:37] yeah, I think this is better [19:37] but i'm not sure about how it's presented currently [19:37] maybe we should make it a link in the release links section [19:37] articles and things are great, but I think what most people will want is download info [19:38] then when that's clicked, pop up the direct download list [19:38] * pleia2 shrugs [19:38] alternatively, we could drop the torrent links above the direct downloads like the get xubuntu page [19:38] ...but i tried that, and it looked weird without any text around the buttons [19:39] ah, hm [19:39] so maybe the answer is to move the description above the codename etc. [19:39] perhaps [19:39] but yeah, this is totally automatized too [19:39] so one more thing you'll notice here is the online doc link [19:39] IF WE WANT [19:40] i can create a shortcode [19:40] that lists all of the non-EOL, non-released releases that have a docs link [19:40] think: the help & support page list [19:40] http://xubuntu.org/help/ <- the list in the green box [19:41] then just s/The supported releases are:/The documentation for supported releases can be found via the following links:/ or stjh [19:42] so basically automatize everything that is related to releases - or at least make us update it only once [19:42] I think that makes sense [19:42] yes, good [19:42] so i have to write that - np though, it's a trivial piece of code [19:43] thank you :) [19:43] so now that we have this sorted out, what about the new releases main page? [19:43] which one is that? [19:43] none yet [19:43] i was thinking: list all non-EOL releases, LTSs first, newest first [19:43] at least the release number and codename, maybe the description [19:43] and a link to the release page [19:43] that might be enough [19:44] and that would obviously share the saem sidebar as the release pages [19:44] * pleia2 nods [19:44] sounds good [19:44] you probably read the part about the maintenance of mirrors, but it will be super easy after this upload [19:45] like, something is down, you can either delete it for good or mark inactive [19:45] ooh, inactive [19:45] and you can check/uncheck mirrors to be shown/not shown on the initial list [19:45] * pleia2 nods [19:45] that said, we might want to look to make that a little smaller [19:46] the new china thing for example, it's only a 100Mbps server [19:46] also, do we want to duplicate UK [19:46] etc. [19:46] * pleia2 nods [19:46] but again, that's just checkboxes in wp-admin [19:47] okie [19:47] ok, i'll stitch the not yet done pieces together tonight and then file another ticket to get that up [19:47] then we need some initial form work after which we are ready to go [19:47] no problem [19:47] also, i wrote a blog article about this [19:48] but since we are moving so fast, i'll update that to say we have it all now rather than "we might have something later" [19:48] but you might want to glance at that too as i mentioned ;) [19:48] I'm on the east coast next week, but I am not actually going to be super busy, still jobless and mostly just going there to hang out and spend evenings with friends+family :) [19:48] sure [19:48] i will literally have this ready your today [19:49] oh ok [19:49] I still need to review the council blog post [19:49] most of the stuff is ready already on staging [19:49] i just wanted your input before pushing to branches [19:49] * pleia2 nods [19:52] http://staging.xubuntu.org/release/14-04/#show-all [19:52] different order [19:56] that's better, intro first [20:15] pleia2, http://staging.xubuntu.org/help/ [20:15] in production, we bold LTSs, is that needed? [20:15] in production, we also list here how long releases are supported. needed? [20:16] I liked the green [20:16] no bold though [20:16] oh meh :D [20:16] you're focusing on the wrong things [20:16] the green will be there [20:17] hehe [20:17] I like listing how long they are supported, people are ALWAYS confused [20:17] oki [20:17] (because 5 year Ubuntu lts) [20:17] i'll figure out how to do that then [20:18] ty [20:24] oki, look now [20:35] * pleia2 thumbs up [20:45] pleia2, aaand here: http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/ [20:45] can haz any content between page title and the release blobs [20:46] and will have the "releases" sidebar, where you can dump more [20:46] geez, how many of these releases page do we have [20:46] this and one for each release :P [20:46] well ok :) [20:47] I guess I was also thinking about the download page [20:47] yes [20:47] then we have the list on the docs page [20:47] but that's useful repetition [20:47] besides, download page is still manual [20:47] agreed, just making sure we don't get out of hand [20:47] we don't list two LTSs there for example [20:47] * pleia2 nods [20:47] no, i think this is really needed because currently it's all just really meh [20:47] hehe [20:48] there's no easy way to discover these pages [20:48] the release pages, that is [20:48] *i* know how to find them [20:48] but it's always meh [20:48] (go to blog, find the links in the sidebar) [20:48] (yes, that's not where the usual user would look) [20:48] yeah [20:49] http://staging.xubuntu.org/about/releases/ [20:49] lorem ipsum there just for proving concept [20:50] we probably want to say stuff like xubuntu is released every 6 months and lts every 2 years, support lengths, here you can see all of the supported releases [20:51] and visit their release pages for lots more [20:53] yeah, just so long as the text doesn't need updating much [20:53] nope [20:53] just something generic [20:58] huh, deja vu [20:58] weird :) [21:06] ok, RT ticket filed [21:06] screenshot thingy not yet done [21:06] but that's minor imo [21:09] * pleia2 nods [21:10] huh [21:10] that was a sprint too [21:13] what was? [21:13] the above ^ [21:13] (lunch arrived, munching and then will for real focus on council blog post) [21:14] :) [22:50] having a hard time being creative about this council article, though it totally deserves it [22:53] feel free to just delete etc [23:51] pleia2, still not feeling creative? [23:52] distracted again :( [23:56] I think "resolutor" is a made up word [23:57] :) [23:57] aren't all words made up? [23:57] yeah, silly humans