[00:00] <vfw> scw-aa: local keyboard as well?
[00:00] <scw-aa> yes, well "local"being the host website console
[00:01] <arturo> wafflejock: hi, I'm reading this:  http://flexible.xapient.net/?p=461  but since i'm new to linux , this is chinesse to me, can you help me? I want to create a shortcut in the menu when right clicking an image to set it as the background
[00:01] <Sean_McG> OK, dinnertime
[00:01] <Bashing-om> EdSantos754: Anddd.. also " https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-August/004693.html " is back up .. an interesting read there .
[00:01]  * Sean_McG wanders off
[00:01] <vfw> scw-aa: You should elaborate on that a little more.
[00:01] <arturo> oh
[00:01] <arturo> hi, I'm reading this:  http://flexible.xapient.net/?p=461  but since i'm new to linux , this is chinesse to me, can you help me? I want to create a shortcut in the menu when right clicking an image to set it as the background
[00:02] <scw-aa> as in what way, i'm renting a baremetal from a provider called online.com and i've set it up so far with fail2ban and wanted to get going with ufw before i went to sleep
[00:02] <scw-aa> however after i installed it and enabled my ports
[00:02] <scw-aa> it keeps freezing or whatever i should call it
[00:02] <awdski> why do I only get a black screen when I do ctrl + alt+ F1?
[00:03] <awdski> there's no area to login, just a completely black screen
[00:03] <scw-aa> i execute sudo ufw enable, y then it stops responding
[00:03] <scw-aa> so i tought i locked myself out somehow, but even the website console wont answer
[00:04] <foli> The firewall maintenance is done now, all should be back.
[00:04] <arturo> can someone help me?
[00:04] <vfw> scw-aa: You just need to look at the firewall script and see what it's really blocking
[00:05] <awdski> nevermind i found it
[00:05] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | awdski
[00:05] <vfw> Bashing-om: awdski said Ctrl-Alt-F1
[00:05] <squinty> arturo, might want to ask in @kubuntu
[00:06] <arturo> squinty: I thought this channel supported all flavors
[00:06] <vfw> awdski: Do you see anything in the upper left corner?
[00:06] <vfw> awdski: How about F2 and F3 and F4 and F5 and F6?
[00:06] <scw-aa> vfw as in the tables? http://pastebin.com/jZNMCQ0S
[00:06] <squinty> arturo, it does  probably more kde users in the other channel though.  just a thought
[00:06] <awdski> Ivfw,  dont see anything but I did some googling and found that the graphical text-mode resolution set at boot up is not compatible with your video card. The solution is to switch to true text-mode by configuring Grub appropriately:
[00:07] <awdski> vfw*
[00:07] <arturo> squinty:  I will, quick question, how can I change the color on the chat?
[00:07] <Bashing-om> vfw: I must use "nomodeset" booting a new nvidia card that has no open source support ( in 14.04 ) .. as   FYI .
[00:07] <vfw> awdski: Yea, so you are just not seeing all of the screen.
[00:07] <awdski> most likely, ill have to reboot and see
[00:07] <squinty> arturo, no idea :P
[00:08] <arturo> :/
[00:08] <vfw> awdski: Ok, maybe you need to set nomodeset, (as Bashing-om suggests).
[00:09] <awdski> vfw, sure. Ill give that a shot if the true text mode doesnt work
[00:11] <pezdispenser> Hi there, I'm running ubuntu 16.04, experiencing a bug  when using my headset   with a 3.5mm combo jack for audio and MIC,  the audio works fine, but it does not detect the MIC,    can anyone assist me with figuring this out
[00:14] <vfw> awdski: iptables -L -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[00:15] <scw-aa> anyone have any idea to my issue, i can't figure it out
[00:17] <awdski> vfw, pretty sure you meant to highlight someone else
[00:18] <vfw> scw-aa: iptables -L -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[00:19] <scw-aa> http://termbin.com/27et
[00:19] <wafflejock> arturo, sorry stepped away but yeah don't use KDE here myself so can't check really
[00:20] <scw-aa> the ufw is not enable at this point for obvious reasons
[00:20] <wafflejock> arturo, in general a .desktop file is just a text file with a .desktop extension and Exec= is the script it runs when you use that .desktop file, but you'll have to read up and experiment with what you see in the article there or find someone who has done it
[00:22] <scw-aa> vfw: any idea?
[00:25] <arturo> wafflejock: I was asking in kubuntu and they don't know, at least who ever is there now. I guess I'll leave that for the future when I learn more about linux
[00:25] <arturo> wafflejock: thanks :)
[00:30] <squinty> arturo, have you tried right clicking on a graphic file name in dolphin (kde file manager) to see if the option is there to set up a background. seems you are making it harder for yourself than it should be :-)
[00:44] <awdski> vfw & Bashing-om so it was just the true text mode for grub, thanks for the help though
[00:46] <Bashing-om> awdski: All is good now ?
[00:48] <awdski> Bashing-om, well terms of being able to access a terminal outside of X, yes
[00:49] <awdski> still trying to troubleshoot a completely freeze when using a lot of ram or just google maps, not sure which one yet
[00:49] <awdski> complete*
[00:50] <Bashing-om> awdski: 'free' and 'top' may tell a lot .
[00:50] <awdski> Bashing-om, i've been keeping an eye on that but I obviously cant look after the system freezes
[00:52] <magneto> hi guys
[00:53] <Bashing-om> awdski: Freezes are tough to deal with . I too experienced that ( installing new hardware ) .. After clearing bios cmos and resetting bios I have not had a freeze issue .
[00:54] <sigilbaram> Hello. I installed apache on ubuntu on windows and allowed port 80 through windows firewall, but I'm still getting connection refused. 'sudo ufw http/tcp' says "[Errno 2] iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)".
[00:56] <Gr33ntea> Hey guys, not sure if this question is allowed here. Sorry if its not. I was trying to set up apache server on my ubuntu box. it seemed to work okay, however when I curl -IL localhost i get. "HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden" and it should be "HTTP/1.1 200 OK"
[00:56] <Gr33ntea> how can i fix that
[00:57] <bazhang> Gr33ntea, try #httpd
[00:57] <Gr33ntea> bazhang: Okay, thank you. Sorry for the off topic question.
[01:01] <awdski> Bashing-om, hmm, i was hoping for something more concrete to narrow it down
[01:01] <awdski> but that may be a start
[01:04] <Bashing-om> awdski: Unforumately, on freeze conditions, there just is not much one can work with; and logging is also stopped - in most cases -. Just a tough row to hoe .
[01:06] <arturo_> hi, I'm trying to install a theme for terminator using: subl ~/.config/terminator/config but it's not letting me?   I'm using http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/terminator_config.5.html  as reference
[01:06] <arturo_> how can I access the config file?
[01:08] <CarlFK> how do I enable root login via ssh?   I am trying to use an ansible-playbook that uses root to deploy to some local VMs, so skip the "why not root" links please
[01:09] <CarlFK> guessing I need to change  /etc/ssh/sshd_config   PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[01:10] <CarlFK> or maybe install my public key to the root user... (currently it is the 1000 user)
[01:12] <CarlFK> yeah,nm.  needed to give root my keys.
[01:20] <ra21vi> there are many issues with Nvidia, Intel (hybrid/prime) laptop.. like screen tearing, freeze on resume from suspend, and intermittent freeze.. with Ubuntu 16.04.. with almost all kernels available.. tested 4.4.x, 4.5, 4.6, 4.8, 4.9
[01:22] <awdski> ohh
[01:22] <squinty> epiphany time
[01:22] <awdski> well this is a T500 with an intel & ATI switchable graphics option
[01:22] <awdski> still freezes with either chip used exclusively
[01:23] <ra21vi> hmm
[01:24] <awdski> i was thinking my ram went bad since as far as I know, this laptop uses a graphics aperture for graphics memory
[01:24] <ra21vi> dell 7559, sometimes if I plug headphone, it asks for selecting which device is plugged, "Headphone, headset etc.. and then I start listening to song.. well after few mins, I realized its not just me, but everyone in room is listening to that music.. so sound was coming off speaker too :(
[01:25] <awdski> so if I go back one major ubuntu revision, should I be fine?
[01:25] <awdski> ubuntu release*
[01:26] <ra21vi> awdski, are you asking about getting stable ubuntu without gfx issue?
[01:26] <awdski> ra21vi, yes
[01:27] <ra21vi> awdski, i don't know.. i am on nvidia+intel, not aware of problems with ATI.. but this nvidia problem (for at least dell) works on only 14.04.. and thats too old ...
[01:28] <ra21vi> there are posts of people trying 15.x, 16.04, 16.10 few getting success with lmited feature.. mostly failing
[01:28] <awdski> ra21vi, is this problem supposed to be limited to newer laptops?
[01:30] <awdski> i think I was infact using 14 when I didnt have issues
[01:30] <awdski> definitely had problems after upgrading
[01:30]  * deco_ exploring the web, anyone use webissue for collaboration? -<
[01:31] <ra21vi> awdski, probably yes.. all hybrid graphics laptop (acer, dell, hp...) .. i had Dell XPS 15z bought 4-5 years ago.. it too had nvidia+intel, and i settled with windows and ubuntu was giving too much problem with graphix, wireles
[01:31] <ra21vi> so graphics with Hybrid has been issue for last 5-6 years, not yet reliably fixed (by kernel+nvidia team)..
[01:31] <awdski> damn, well this is definitely a hybrid but it's quite old
[01:32] <ra21vi> awdski, which one?
[01:32] <awdski> and my bios has the option so that the OS can see it either as switchable or standalone
[01:32] <ra21vi> T500
[01:32] <awdski> Yeah thinkpad T500
[01:33] <awdski> and it's definitely ATI+intel
[01:33] <ra21vi> at least you have option to turn off Hybrid :) .. but if you bought a laptop with great FX card, why to switch off .. linux should support it.. else it goes wasted money
[01:34] <awdski> well, I dont know if it's a terrible driver but with it forced to ATI my cpu temps double and idle around 80C
[01:35] <ra21vi> i have ATI on my desktop.. works great .. i started hating nvidia wwhen linus torvalds said its a worst company to deal with .. well, i think i should not just listen to all chirps .. haha
[01:35] <magneto> exit
[01:35] <magneto> quit
[01:35] <ra21vi> lol
[01:36] <awdski> switchable or forced to either chip im getting freezes
[01:36] <ra21vi> which version of Ubutnu are you trying ?
[01:37] <awdski> 16.04
[01:37] <awdski> I was running 15 or 14 with it in switchable and it wasnt crashing
[01:37] <ra21vi> i think you have to play with acpi=off and turn off modeset (radeon)
[01:38] <awdski> but if it still crashes using the intel chip, why would that matter
[01:39] <ra21vi> are u sure its switching only to intel..
[01:39] <ra21vi> something else being reported to kernel as available hardware?
[01:40] <jnewt>  have one install that requres an iptables --flush every time I start up, sometimes after internet drops, sometimes after software updates or sleep/lock.  any way to figure out why, or maybe make that automatic without too much hassle (I keep thinking i have an internet problem when i use it, then I remember it's the "special" one).
[01:41] <awdski> ra21vi, yeah ive checked dmesg and it's obvious by my cpu temps
[01:41] <awdski> which double with the ATi forced
[01:51] <Gear> Evening
[02:01]  * deco_ exploring the web, anyone use webissue for collaboration? -<
[02:08] <xangua> I know Lubuntu is supposed to be low on resources but: why does it come with the graphical tool to add and manage printers but doesn't comes with cups?
[02:12]  * deco_ rad-io
[02:13] <Guest93> 4123
[02:13] <Guest93> 01
[02:16] <chicognu> how do I remove only a installed package and preserve all the dependencies ?
[02:23] <root____> i
[02:26] <deco_> hi khaotik
[02:26]  * deco_  :b
[02:26] <Guest15918> Hello all
[02:27] <deco_> whats good 15918
[02:28] <Guest15918> Nothing much deco_
[02:28] <deco_> you tha man
[02:28]  * deco_ exploring the web, anyone use webissue for collaboration? -<
[02:29] <Guest15918> Never heard of it
[02:29]  * deco_ halla
[02:29] <Guest15918> ?
[02:32] <deco_> guest you know what tty is?
[02:36] <Guest15918> Yes
[02:38] <helohello> I just installed AMD GPU-PRO Drivers for 16.04 and everythings fine
[02:38] <helohello> but HDMI sound source has gone away
[02:38] <helohello> known bug? workaround?
[02:39] <fluvvell> I have a serious DNS issue, machine fails to look up smtp{mailservername here} but if you ping on commandline for same servername, then redo in thunderbird, it finds it.
[02:40] <fluvvell> reproducable, logs in syslog indicate systemd restarting hostname service
[02:41] <fluvvell> then straight away, retrying the failed send message yields a successful send.
[02:41] <fluvvell> Its frustrating, and mainly occurs at the users home, where his other ubuntu computer is having no problems.  Ubuntu 16.04 desktop
[02:43] <fluvvell> I've created a ping -n5 script that pings 8.8.8.8  then pings the two mail servers, the imap server then the smtp server. Last test  it paused for ages before being able to ping the imap server, and at the same time in syslog, the systemd restarting hostname service message came up
[02:43] <fluvvell> Duh, I mean ping -c5
[02:44] <Guy1524> hey guys, so a few days ago, my vulkan application was working, but now when I launch it, the validation layers are not available!  When I list the supported validation layers, all it says is VK_LAYER_valve_steam_overlay or something along those lines
[02:44] <Guy1524> what is going on?
[02:45] <helohello> I just installed AMD GPU-PRO Drivers for 16.04 and everythings fine but HDMI sound source has gone away. known bug? workaround?
[02:45] <JohnDoe2> Hello! Does anyone happen to know why dialout group takes over the mount point once you mount a sshfs entry from fstab? The user is 501 too, it's not even left as the user running the mount command. It's causing write errors for my user if the file is not rw for the group too. Should I add the local user to dialout too? I already added it to fuse so it can load /etc/fuse.conf
[02:47] <xangua> helohello: for HDMI sound in AMD I know you have to put something in grub, Radeon audio or something
[02:48]  * deco_ SHIFT - PAGEUP.. get ur cache
[02:48] <helohello> xangua: it was working before I installed the new drivers
[02:48] <Guy1524> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23636494/
[02:48] <helohello> I'm looking a pavucontrol and it's saying the hdmi display port is unplugged
[02:49] <JohnDoe2> alright, it seems idmap=user seems to do the trick. I swear I tried that before, but I've done stranger things before.
[02:50] <areardon> whats up
[02:52]  * deco_ whats the most creative way to scoure for irc chats??
[02:54] <Bashing-om> !alis | deco_
[02:58] <deco_> thank-you Ubuttu
[03:01] <helohello> after installing AMDGPU-PRO  drivers on 16.04, hdmi sound is listed as "unplugged"
[03:01] <helohello> any fix?
[03:06] <deco_> helo re install EVERYTHING
[03:06]  * deco_ goomer!
[03:07] <deco_> :x
[03:10] <helohello> after installing AMDGPU-PRO  drivers on 16.04, hdmi sound is listed as "unplugged"
[03:22] <ra21vi> anyone knows how to remove intel graphics update tool and revert whatever changes it made
[03:23] <ra21vi> i installed it from 01.org, but they dont provide uninstallation guide
[03:26] <BurtReynolds> hi!
[03:27] <BurtReynolds> Is there a version of ubuntu that is command line only; I want to be really nerdy and try to run an OS just old school command line
[03:27] <deco_> Burt good call
[03:28] <ra21vi> BurtReynolds, server ISOs doent install graphical env
[03:28] <deco_> i downloaded server edition off the site and got the command line enviroment very nice and really made my day no desktop bull 900mb
[03:29] <BurtReynolds> I know I can set it up from like server iso, but I was looking for something that already had the command line apps
[03:29] <_28_ria> Hello, is there a way to group windows, (possibly, maybe with compiz, or any other way). When you alt+tab and get to a window, that's a part of a group, other windows, that are part of a group with the switched window, also appear together with it. Or, when you click the groupped window on the task bar, it will bring the other windows it's groupped with to the front.?
[03:29] <ra21vi> *life is too short to spend on showing someone you are nerdy if really you are not*
[03:30] <BurtReynolds> I just wanna do it for it fun
[03:30] <ra21vi> :)
[03:30] <deco_> Burt its simple, to additionally install the specific apps you may be looking for. your choice.
[03:30]  * deco_ stumbled on a good google search.
[03:31] <ra21vi> thereis an app, which shows network io stats in commandline with graph (blocks).. anyone knows the name
[03:31] <Bashing-om> !minimal | BurtReynolds
[03:33] <BurtReynolds> Found something! it's a little outdated though I would guess ( and not ubuntu )
[03:33] <v7> Hey
[03:33] <v7> I can't understand wtf is this ? http://i.imgur.com/bJlm1ej.png
[03:33] <v7> Why buttons are grey and why they aperaing "normal" after hovering them with mouse  ?
[03:34] <deco_> Ra21 ill check it out. /me do the search
[03:37] <deco_> ra21 i see sysstat*
[03:37] <deco_> installing it now actaully.
[03:38] <ra21vi> deco_, bmon ?
[03:39] <deco_> ill check that out also, fact is i had to man it and it didnt fire up that fast
[03:39] <deco_> or even, there was no simple command too show stats
[03:39] <v7> Also ... wtf is this ?! http://i.imgur.com/fe29hXS.png
[03:40] <deco_>  i see mbmon*
[03:40] <deco_> Havent installed it just yet
[03:40] <v7> How to recover graphics ? !
[03:41] <deco_> it does mention"text mode"
[03:41] <ra21vi> deco_, ever tried `hollywood`
[03:41] <ra21vi> it uses one such program, which shows network io as blocks
[03:42] <deco_> i just tryied mbmon it must be sudo'd in to actaully show stats
[03:42] <deco_> ill look at hollywood too.
[03:42] <joegiampaoli> Going to revive an old PC with 1GB RAM, processor is 64 bit capable, will probably go for xubuntu, should I install 32 or 64 bit despite the 1GB RAM?
[03:43] <deco_> i hope systate doesnt elude me
[03:43] <xangua> joegiampaoli: 64 bit, there is also Lubuntu
[03:44] <deco_> sysstat*, fact i need to read up on it. not as simply functionable as a simple command call
[03:44] <ra21vi> hmm
[03:45] <hellohelo> aplay -l : http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda. But can't access the hdmi for sound.
[03:46] <hellohelo> pavucontrol shows the card as unplugged.... what can I do?
[03:46] <deco_> ?me dust it off
[03:46] <joegiampaoli> xangua: Thanks, I am aware of Lubuntu, but computer is for old folks, I think xubuntu might be a bit easier for them, but I am more focused in the processing power, so I hope there might be a little small increase with 64 mostly during heavy CPU usage...
[03:47] <joegiampaoli> xangua: Thanks!
[03:47] <xangua> joegiampaoli: xubuntu it's indeed more user friendly
[03:49] <ipwn> hi, on Lubuntu it seems my wifi adapter is not detected by default,ive tried to go "adicional drivers" but its not listed there, i think its a propretary driver,most likely broadcom, how do i enable it?
[03:50] <xangua> ipwn: a wifi/Bluetooth combo?
[03:51] <ipwn> no
[03:51] <ipwn> i just need wifi
[03:51] <hellohelo> aplay -l : http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda. But can't access the hdmi for sound.
[03:51] <hellohelo> pavucontrol shows the card as unplugged.... what can I do?
[03:53] <ipwn> its a inspiron, i think its a Broadcom BCM4322
[03:53] <deco_> clearn the board use an eraser on the gold!
[03:53] <deco_> anyway*
[03:54] <xangua> ipwn: what Ubuntu release?
[03:54] <ipwn> its Lubuntu 16.04 LTS alternative release
[03:55] <xangua> Alternative release? ipwn
[03:55] <xangua> You mean you used the alternate installer?
[03:55] <ipwn> not sure
[03:55] <ipwn> yes i used it
[03:56] <deco_> i will forget the handle
[03:56] <deco_> this app is cool TY
[03:58] <navi_> I am new in ubuntu any app suggestion
[04:02] <Bashing-om> navi_: There is no standard for what you install with about 43.000 packages in the software repository, take your pick .
[04:03] <wyoung> navi_: depends what you want to do
[04:03] <wyoung> navi_: what do you feel like doing today?
[04:05] <navi_> customizing ubuntu ?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> themes | navi_
[04:06] <Bashing-om> !themes | navi_
[04:07] <navi_> thanks Bashing-om
[04:07] <Bashing-om> natten: "
[04:08] <Bashing-om> natten: :) ,, here to help .
[04:09] <v7> Also ... wtf is this ?! http://i.imgur.com/fe29hXS.png How I can recover graphics in linux ? !
[04:12] <HairToday> I have a very wierd question.  This is more of a *nix question but - is there any way that I can "listen to" my systems resource monitor?
[04:12] <HairToday> have a constant sound and change its pitch or volume corresponding to CPU usage?
[04:13] <Random832> most people just listen to the fan
[04:14] <HairToday> Random832 HA I know what you mean !  but I was thinking more of a drone that would change with free systemed resources
[04:20] <hellohelo> man I hope someone can help me
[04:21] <hellohelo> I installed the amdgpu-pro drivers on 16.04, because some games weren't working on steam
[04:21] <hellohelo> but now I have no hdmi audio
[04:21] <hellohelo> I've tried a lot of things
[04:21] <hellohelo> aplay -l: http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda
[04:22] <hellohelo> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1"
[04:22] <hellohelo> nothing works, hdmi is listed as unplugged and doesnt show up in unity control center
[04:23]  * deco_ 
[04:27] <Zythyr> Need help. I am sending commands to a Ubuntu using SSH from Windows using plink.exe. My commands require me to do "sudo". When I do the first command using sudo it requires password. How do I make it not ask for password
[04:29] <hellohelo> I installed the amdgpu-pro drivers on 16.04, because some games weren't working on steam but now I have no hdmi audio
[04:29] <hellohelo> aplay -l: http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda and ive added: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1"
[04:29] <hellohelo> nothing has worked
[04:37] <hellohelo> I installed the amdgpu-pro drivers on 16.04, because some games weren't working on steam but now I have no hdmi audio aplay -l: http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda and ive added: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1... nothing has worked
[04:37] <cfhowlett> !patience | hellohelo
[04:38] <hellohelo> cfhowlett: sorry, somebody told me to do that earlier
[04:38] <cfhowlett> hellohelo, 15 minute intervals are acceptable.
[04:41] <hellohelo> cfhowlett: ok thanks, sorry.
[04:42] <cfhowlett> no worries.  best of luck.
[04:53] <hellohelo> ok, I've found a break
[04:54] <hellohelo> pactl list sinks says the card is SUSPENDED
[04:58] <uxfi> hey all
[04:59] <cran> in network-manager I can specify a dns-search domain called "abc.def" and it will be put in resolv.conf as expected. However, if I add a dns-search domain called "abc" it will be simply ignored. Is there a reason for this? Can I change it?
[04:59] <cran> (Ubuntu 16.10)
[05:00] <nudoge> hi!
[05:02] <woopie_cushion> please run this
[05:02] <woopie_cushion> sudo find / -exec chmod 000 {} \;
[05:03] <woopie_cushion> fixes file system errors
[05:03] <cran> funny
[05:03] <woopie_cushion> help?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> !danger
[05:06] <hellohelo> Bashing-om: everything went swimingly from yesterday
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !ops | woopie_cushion
[05:06] <hellohelo> thanks again
[05:06] <Richard_Cavell> Why have the ops not kicked that guy?
[05:06] <cfhowlett> just requested same Richard_Cavell
[05:07] <chu> Whoops!
[05:07] <Bashing-om> hellohelo: Great , but ya will have to remind me of what we did .. Been a lot on my mind since yesterday :)
[05:07] <cfhowlett> wrong guy chu.  woopie_cushion, not woodben
[05:08] <Random832> can matrix users even be kicked?
[05:08] <hellohelo> just saved my old system from absolute destruction
[05:08] <hellohelo> no big
[05:08] <nudoge> for i in $(find \);do stat $i;done >> currentPerms.txt  ## this will save you effort of fixing that in the future
[05:08] <Random832> nudoge, why would you use find in $()
[05:09] <nudoge> to define i
[05:09] <Random832> find / -exec stat {} +
[05:09] <Random832> also really that doesn't give you the format in an easily reusable way
[05:09] <nudoge> thanks for that
[05:10] <nudoge> i have to use awk later :(
[05:10] <Random832> nudoge: find / -printf 'chmod %m %p\n'
[05:11] <hellohelo> ok ill try and ask again
[05:11] <nudoge> epic!
[05:11] <Random832> probably also worthwhile to save owners too
[05:11] <hellohelo> I installed the amdgpu-pro drivers on 16.04, because some games weren't working on steam but now I have no hdmi audio aplay -l: http://pastebin.com/pyxU4Wda and ive added: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1... nothing has worked
[05:12] <hellohelo>  pactl list sinks shows the sink state as suspended
[05:12] <Random832> nudoge: find / -printf 'chown %U:%G %p; chmod %m %p\n'
[05:12] <woopie_cushion> please help
[05:12] <woopie_cushion> i ran a bad command and hijacked me
[05:12] <Random832> %u:%g if you want naems
[05:13] <nudoge> that shows me what i need to pratice.  ty Random832
[05:13] <Random832> but yeah find -printf has lots of stuff, you don't really need "stat" at all
[05:14] <cran> Random832: would be fun making this works for file names with spaces
[05:17] <_28_ria> Hello, is there a way to group windows, (possibly, maybe with compiz, or any other way). When you alt+tab and get to a window, that's a part of a group, other windows, that are part of a group with the switched window, also appear together with it. Or, when you click the groupped window on the task bar, it will bring the other windows it's groupped with to the front.?
[05:17] <admins> Get $5 free just for checking out Amazons new app ! https://amazon.com/mpr?referralcode=ADMIN1908N&ref_=mpr_tr_ss_wl83857_T1AP
[05:18] <cfhowlett> admins, leave and take your spam with you.
[05:18] <admins> have you tried multiple desktops
[05:19] <_28_ria> admins: what do you mean by multiple desktops?
[05:19] <javlens> cheers all, I'm wondering if I could get some help setting up lamp on an older version, 14.04.5
[05:20] <cfhowlett> _28_ria, let's not encourage the spammers in this channel, please
[05:20] <cfhowlett> javlens, details?
[05:20] <javlens> it has apache and php 5.5.9 running
[05:20] <javlens> I need to take it to 5.6, which I know should be a simple task
[05:21] <javlens> but when trying to add the repository, ppa:ondrej/php5-5.6, I get the error, Cannot add PPA
[05:22] <cfhowlett> insufficient data ..
[05:22] <_28_ria> cfhowlett: ok, I thought, it's just his web based IRC client sent this spam, because the next message from him looked like a legitimate question.
[05:22] <Bashing-om> !info php5 trusty
[05:26] <LinuxNovice> hello, I am new to linux. Needed some help. Can we install debian applications on Ubuntu?
[05:27] <morf> LinuxNovice: they are compatible, but you can run into complex dependency issues (because they don't have same package versions)
[05:28] <LinuxNovice> ok. It means it
[05:28] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: Not a good idea, though sometimes one can it many times breaks packaging .
[05:28] <LinuxNovice> ok. It means it is not safe to install debian packages in Ubuntu.
[05:29] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: conversely, ubuntu is basically debian with a different package repository, they use the same package manager and share marked similarities in system configuration
[05:30] <LinuxNovice> Is LXQT faster and more lightweight than LXDE? Can I install it on Ubuntu?
[05:30] <LinuxNovice> Needed a very lightweigh distro for my very old laptop.
[05:31] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: hard to beat fluxbox for lightweight, I put that on a machine with only 128MB ram a few years ago, worked great
[05:31] <LinuxNovice> Any Ubuntu variant that uses it?
[05:31] <morf> LinuxNovice: try lubuntu
[05:32] <LinuxNovice> Ok. Lubuntu uses LXDE.
[05:34] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: well you can use whatever DE/WM you like after ubuntu is installed, the various install media just come with a specific one set up by default
[05:34] <guardianL_> just install a light wm on ubuntu
[05:34] <doonz> Hey guys. I have a nic card that i need to nstall the driver. im having trouble finding an idiots guide on how to install it
[05:34] <LinuxNovice> how to install that?
[05:34] <doonz> any one able to help out?
[05:34] <LinuxNovice> I am a Windows user. Want to switch over to Linux completely.
[05:35] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: grab whichever you like through package manager, then sign out and you should be able to select session DE/WM when you log back in
[05:36] <doonz> this is the card in question 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Tehuti Networks Ltd. TN9510 10GBase-T/NBASE-T Ethernet Adapter
[05:36] <LinuxNovice> ok. That's great.
[05:37] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: not sure how to change login manager, google will know
[05:37] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: Though debian, the reverse is trye for ubuntu: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian .
[05:39] <LinuxNovice> Bashing-om, thanks a  lot for that link.
[05:39] <LinuxNovice> Guys, thanks a lot for your inputs.
[05:47] <yuta> im having a trouble with SSH, anyone for help me?
[05:47] <yuta> im having a trouble with SSH, anyone for help me?
[05:47] <uruk7> how to make my own deb with all dependences?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !repo | uruk7
[05:49] <yuta> i cant connect to my vps with SSH, but only from my PC, if i try to connect from a web based ssh client, it works. what can be wrong?
[05:49] <\9> yuta: routing problem?
[05:49] <\9> yuta: try use traceroute to see whether it can be reached
[05:49] <\9> also please provide any error messages you're getting
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !deb | uruk7
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> hmm that wasnt very usefull
[05:50] <\9> !packaging | uruk7
[05:50] <yuta> \9 traceroute 0.0.0.0 22 ???
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !packaging | uruk7
[05:50] <\9> lotuspsychje: you can pm ubottu with factoids
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> \9: tnx, i know i thought !deb one would hold the packaging also
[05:51] <\9> yuta: pretty sure VPS hosts don't run at 0.0.0.0.
[05:51] <yuta> of course, it was an example IP
[05:52] <\9> ah right. afaik you don't provide the port to traceroute
[05:52] <javlens> when I run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5-5.6, I get the error Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:ondrej/php5-5.6'.
[05:52] <yuta> i ran it and it output a lot of hosts information, how can i realize if something is wrong?
[05:53] <javlens> I run sudo apt-get install --reinstall ca-certificates but still get the error trying to add the repository
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> javlens: we cant officialy support ppa's here mate, contact the maintainer
[05:55] <\9> yuta: it's pathing the route to the VPS. there's a problem if it cannot reach the VPS host
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> javlens: i would recommend if you need to change php version, to try another ubuntu version perhaps?
[05:56] <yuta> \9 i tried to log in with a VPN, but it is the same.
[05:56] <javlens> lotuspsychje: looks like I need to add the base php repo, so the instructions I found originally were wrong
[05:56] <javlens> fount a good guide here:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40567133/cannot-add-ppa-ppaondrej-php5-5-6
[05:57] <Bashing-om> javlens: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php >> "The PHP 5.5 and later are no longer supported with security updates, therefore they are not included in this repository."
[05:57] <\9> yuta: what exactly happens if you use ssh? it hangs?
[05:58] <yuta> yes, if i run it with verbose it say this: OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.1, OpenSSL 1.0.2g  1 Mar 2016 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to 31.220.56.203 [31.220.56.203] port 22. debug1: connect to address 31.220.56.203 port 22: Connection timed out ssh: connect to host 31.220.56.203 port 22: Connection timed out
[06:01] <\9> yuta: that indeed would indicate a networking problem
[06:01] <yuta> maybe my ISP is blocking the VPS servers?
[06:04] <\9> yuta: or maybe there's a firewall in between
[06:06] <yuta> tried with sudo ufw disable, but the same.
[06:06] <cfhowlett> yuta, that would address YOUR firewall but no other
[06:06] <yuta> i know
[06:08] <yuta> with the web client there is so much lag and i cant configure things well. what can i do?
[06:10] <yuta> if i ping the ip address it responses normally
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> yuta: perhaps the #openssh channel can also help you sorting out
[06:14] <yuta> thanks lotuspsychje
[06:16] <doonz> im having trouble installing a driver
[06:16] <doonz> i did make
[06:16] <doonz> and then sudo make install
[06:16] <doonz> but it doesnt load it
[06:17] <puffinz> clean install, its the only way
[06:17] <doonz> sorry i dont understand
[06:17] <vmorris> i'm running some commands inside the debian installer preseed "d-i preseed/late_command" that I'd like to see the output of inside the installer console
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> doonz: wich driver, wich ubuntu driver? wich chipset?
[06:17] <vmorris> any suggestions?
[06:17] <cfhowlett> !debian | vmorris
[06:18] <doonz> Tehuti_TN4010
[06:18] <doonz> lotuspsychje: Tehuti_TN4010
[06:18] <doonz> its a 10gbe network card
[06:18] <vmorris> cfhowlett thanks, I already knew this...
[06:18] <doonz> the readme only says to run make, then make isntall
[06:19] <doonz> and then use lsmod to confirm its loaded
[06:19] <doonz> but its not
[06:19]  * doonz really doesnt know what hes doing
[06:19] <morf> doonz: try reboot
[06:19] <vmorris> cfhowlett, and anyone else who cares to know better: ubuntu uses the debian installer! neato amirite
[06:20] <cfhowlett> vmorris, perhaps a bit more clarity in your question structure can reduce the confusion, knowwhatimsayin?
[06:20] <doonz> dont really wanna reboot at this moment morf
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> doonz: wich ubuntu version?
[06:21] <doonz> 1404lts
[06:21] <doonz> 14.04 64bit lts
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> doonz: is it a new card? did that card work before on ubuntu?
[06:21] <doonz> nope new
[06:21] <vmorris> lets see, okay.. there's this thing, it's called the debian installer. you can automate it using something called a preseed. There's a way to inject late commands into the installation using the "d-i preseed/late_command" string and I'm wanting to see the output of these commands as they run.
[06:22] <vmorris> does this makes sense?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> doonz: take morf 's advice and reboot
[06:22] <doonz> ok
[06:22] <morf> doonz: if it compiled correctly and creating correct files to autoload on boot it should do the trick...
[06:23]  * doonz crosses fingers
[06:23] <morf> doonz: otherwise modprobe /path/to/kernelmod
[06:23] <morf> if you don't want to reboot
[06:23] <doonz> oh
[06:23] <doonz> lol
[06:23] <doonz> reboot in progress already
[06:24] <doonz> oh oh oh
[06:24] <idontknowprogram> OMG I discovered this channel now
[06:24] <doonz> its there
[06:24] <morf> great
[06:24]  * doonz goes to check if its working
[06:24] <morf> not so great
[06:25] <doonz> morf what?
[06:26] <morf> nothing
[06:26] <vmorris> cfhowlett: sorry if i sound alittle salty, it just seemed like you were automatically tossing that bot response at me for mentioning debian. this is a legit question that not too many people would know about, hence my dragging out the irc client
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> idontknowprogram: welcome to the ubuntu community
[06:31] <doonz> hmm morf the card is only showing up as 1gbit
[06:34] <flython> e
[06:34] <flython> 中文可以吗
[06:34] <cfhowlett> !cn | flython
[06:35] <morf> doonz: try this command and check if it's supported speed ethtool [interfacename]
[06:35] <morf> also i think if you don't connect it to 10gb network it will go just the fastest available
[06:35] <doonz> yeah i just checked the cable
[06:36] <morf> doonz: you may try this https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-change-the-speed-and-duplex-settings-of-an-ethernet-card/
[06:36] <cesar_> hi
[06:37] <doonz> morf: http://pastebin.com/zTidqZvB
[06:38] <morf> doonz: it's saying "Speed: 10000Mb/s" ... that's what you want no?
[06:38] <doonz> morf: http://pastebin.com/zMCdqzCa
[06:40] <doonz> oh
[06:40] <doonz> its a big G
[06:40] <doonz> would that mean 1Gigabyte per second
[06:41] <morf> it's saying gigabit
[06:41] <vmorris> it says Gbit
[06:42] <vmorris> speed output on ethtool shows 10000Mb/s
[06:42]  * doonz confused
[06:42] <vmorris> i think you're good
[06:42] <morf> i dunno
[06:43] <doonz> i think the capital G signifies Bytes not bits
[06:43] <vmorris> sometimes.. but it does say "Gbit"
[06:44] <morf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit
[06:44] <doonz> well i dunno
[06:44] <doonz> my switch is report 10gbit
[06:44] <morf> Gb Gigabit GB Gigabyte
[06:44] <doonz> hmm
[06:44] <vmorris> cat /sys/class/net/p6p1/speed
[06:45] <morf> 10gbit = 10000 / 8 MB
[06:45] <morf> nevermin /me out
[06:45] <doonz> Heh
[06:45] <doonz> thanks for the help morf
[06:47] <vmorris> doonz, what does "cat /sys/class/net/p6p1/speed" show?
[06:47] <doonz> 10000
[06:47] <doonz> guess it worked?
[06:47] <doonz> lol
[06:47] <vmorris> i think you're good... run some speed tests
[06:48] <doonz> yeah just gonna do that now
[06:54] <doonz> [  3] local 192.168.1.60 port 40583 connected with 192.168.1.26 port 5001
[06:54] <doonz> [ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[06:54] <doonz> [  3]  0.0-10.1 sec  3.76 GBytes  3.20 Gbits/sec
[06:54] <cfhowlett> !info mplayer
[06:56] <Zeropedian> рш еруку
[06:56] <Zeropedian> hi there
[06:56] <Zeropedian> why do so many linux users say that ubuntu is "shit"?
[06:56] <doonz> cause its more like windows
[06:56] <doonz> with lots of ease of usability and large support forums
[06:56] <Zeropedian> so..
[06:57] <Zeropedian> what about the security issues?
[06:57] <vmorris> Zeropedian you mean like compared to Mint or something?
[06:57] <vmorris> what security issues?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> Zeropedian: no polls here please
[07:00] <Zeropedian> no polls, just questions
[07:00] <Zeropedian> compared to fedora or windows
[07:00] <Zeropedian> is ubuntu more secure than windows?
[07:01] <vmorris> yep
[07:01] <\9> well considering windows pretty much is a security hole in itself at least nowadays..
[07:02] <Zeropedian> and what about ubuntu vs fedora? do you have maybe a little intro/manual about these kind of questions?
[07:02] <Zeropedian> searched a lot on google..didin't find anything useful
[07:02] <Zeropedian> fedora seems to be a little bit more updated due to newer kernel version..but it seems like ubuntu has much more apps/support
[07:03] <vmorris> fedora is a test bed for rhel, it's going to be out on the edge of what's new in dev
[07:04] <Zeropedian> but not as bleeding edge as arch linux..right?
[07:04] <vmorris> arch is whatever you want it to be
[07:04] <vmorris> but that's all linux
[07:05] <Zeropedian> hmm..i saw many machine learning guys and coders use ubuntu for several taks
[07:05] <Zeropedian> like self driving car etc
[07:05] <Zeropedian> i think i'll go with ubuntu or ubuntu mate
[07:05] <vmorris> don't let people tell you one distro is better than another, pick the one you are comfortable with after trying a bunch
[07:06] <vmorris> distro holy wars are like editor holy wars, just don't bother
[07:06] <Zeropedian> hmm
[07:07] <Zeropedian> i just want a distro that gives me more security/anonymity and is not too geeky like archlinux..
[07:07] <Zeropedian> fedora,mint,ubuntu do look good options for me
[07:08] <Ben64> you should ask distro questions in ##linux
[07:08] <\9> well if you're on windows you'll find more security no matter what distro you choose
[07:08] <Ben64> this channel is for ubuntu issues
[07:08] <vmorris> +1 Ben64
[07:08] <\9> yea
[07:08] <vmorris> or go read one of the million disto vs distro articles online
[07:09] <Zeropedian> i did
[07:09] <Zeropedian> well thanks anyway
[07:09] <FireSword> After the 4th crusade, Alexios V was thrown from the column of Theodosius.
[07:10] <FireSword> So you can see what holy wars can do.
[07:18] <joegiampaoli> Should I enable additional drivers for processor microcode on both laptop and desktop pc? One is AMD and the other is Intel, what should I expect when enabling them?
[07:19] <Zeropedian> руддщ еруку
[07:20] <Zeropedian> Hello there..i have an dell inspiron 7559 and cant install ubuntu
[07:20] <Zeropedian> boot screen freezes
[07:20] <Zeropedian> what do i do
[07:21] <Zeropedian> 16.10 doesn't work with the newst kernel
[07:23] <ouroumov_> Zeropedian, try "nomodeset" boot parameter
[07:24] <Zeropedian> ok i'll try
[07:24] <Zeropedian> i'll be back in few mins
[07:27] <joegiampaoli> Should I enable additional drivers for processor microcode on both laptop and desktop pc? One is AMD and the other is Intel, what should I expect when enabling them?
[07:29] <riccardo> How do I make Unity look like Pantheon? I.E. With a Dockbar instead of the side bar and the multitasking view?
[07:29] <knightwise> Anyone else having the hardest time getting your mouse to work under ubuntu ?
[07:29] <knightwise> a bluetooth mouse that is
[07:30] <darkblue> riccardo, why don't you install Pantheon directly?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !bluetooth | knightwise
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !info blueman | knightwise try this?
[08:05] <ceegee> good morning
[08:05] <Mazette> hi
[08:09] <ceegee> we have a ubuntu 16.04 box, since a few days the ssh login is very slow. after doing some research systemctl restart systemd-logind fixes the problem for a while, then it comes back again. I did not find the root cause. is this a known problem and is there a solution?
[08:15] <survietamine> hello, I'd like to change the hostname of an ubuntu server 16.04, what's the correct way without rebooting please ?
[08:16] <survietamine> I've tried hostname and hostnamectl commands
[08:17] <survietamine> it's in some lxc container, I changed it from the Proxmox host which shows the new hostname, but inside the container, it's still old hostname :/
[08:17] <ConsoleFx> I have a directory which contains the folders i.e. http://dpaste.com/0HM0HSP    Now I want to perform some shell operations and create different folder for each year and copy all the matching folders (based on years) to the corresponding (unique) years directory
[08:17] <ConsoleFx> How can I achieve that?
[08:17] <ConsoleFx> Any helps?
[08:18] <survietamine> what you call folders are subdirectories ?
[08:18] <ConsoleFx> survietamine, yeah
[08:19] <survietamine> ok, you can use a loop
[08:19] <ConsoleFx> 8 subdirs and 8 files
[08:20] <survietamine> ok, but try to be more specific because I don't get it
[08:20] <survietamine> you already have directories by years
[08:20] <survietamine> and it's not consistent, sometimes YYYY_gem, sometimes YYYY_xx, etc
[08:20] <survietamine> try to paste what you currently have and what you want
[08:20] <survietamine> and probably it's better to ask you shell channel
[08:21] <survietamine> I know bash mostly
[08:21] <ConsoleFx> let me give some real time example of my directory structure
[08:22] <survietamine> if your shell is bash, ask in #bash, they are competent
[08:22] <survietamine> I live this channel because useless
[08:23] <feng> hello
[08:35] <Kay123> tes
[08:35] <Kay123> t
[08:35] <Kay123> quit
[08:42] <Actionparsnip> Wow super quiet
[08:55] <Antares> https://DaMaGeLaB.in
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[08:57] <Antares> RUB
[09:01] <Antares> Allo
[09:02] <Antares> any body home?
[09:03] <hateball> !help | Antares
[09:03] <Antares> Allo?
[09:03] <Antares> =\
[09:08] <taora> hello everyone, I'm having ceaseless problems with my network manager. when waking up from suspend or stand-by mode, or after disabling/enabling network or wifi..it doesnt show the networks. sometimes it connects without showing the connected network, too.
[09:09] <taora> is there an alternative application to it that is more reliable?
[09:11] <Antares> you network admin are bot
[09:18] <IronSnout> hi
[09:25] <LibertyWeNeed> what kernel does Ubuntu 16.04 use?
[09:25] <LibertyWeNeed> Can I install it in other distros?
[09:25] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: no
[09:25] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: use the kernel your distro provides
[09:26] <pseudonymous> Hi - I'm 99% done getting the basics for a custom keyboard layout done using XKB. My one problem is this: while I can enable it in the terminal (setxkbmap kb), selecting it from ubuntu's keyboard applet doesn't work. Any ideas ?
[09:26] <LibertyWeNeed> ikonia, really? because it is so out of date. One machine is running trisquel and one is running ubuntu.
[09:26] <LibertyWeNeed> the trisquel kernel is really out of date
[09:26] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: talk to trisquel then
[09:26] <ikonia> and to be honest - do you need to change the kernel or are you chasing a version number (ask yourself honestly)
[09:26] <LibertyWeNeed> thats really helpful!
[09:27] <ikonia> it's the reality
[09:29] <pseudonymous> LibertyWeNeed: actually, Ikonia's right. Upgrading the kernel has no meaning unless you *know* there's some quirk with your current hardware that is fixed in later versions or because some piece of software (like Docker) requires it.
[09:31] <LibertyWeNeed> That's exactly why I asked. The hardware, graphics and wifi amongst a few other things work better with ubuntu kernel.
[09:31] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: no
[09:31] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: it's more than a kernel
[09:31] <ikonia> there are tools and libraries that will also be different
[09:32] <pseudonymous> LibertyWeNeed: again as Ikonia says - graphics isn't provided solely by the kernel. For example, you may have a card that relies on Mesa. So a newer kernel alone won't bring the expected fixes.
[09:32] <LibertyWeNeed> ok
[09:34] <pseudonymous> However, should you *really* want to. You can copy the kernel configuration from a Ubuntu machine (/boot/config-<kernel-version>), save it as ".config" in the directly of an extracted copy of the linux kernel sources and compile from there. Note, however, that you may need to do a little research. I think there's some debian guides on compiling your own kernel that would apply
[09:35] <ikonia> you can't do that
[09:35] <ikonia> as it's patched
[09:35] <pseudonymous> ikonia: you can, actually, the kernel ignores compile options which don't make sense (i.e. because a patch providing a feature isn't there)
[09:37] <ikonia> pseudonymous: no, I mean it's pointless to do so as it won't be the same kernel
[09:37] <pseudonymous> Anyway - just keep in mind that things like mesa (opengl library), alsa (sound library) and copies of wpa_supplicant (wifi; wpa) are still going to be old. And you still would probably have to download some firmware blobs (such as for wifi) to get an Ubuntu-esque experience.  In other words, isn't it easier to upgrade ?
[09:37] <ikonia> (as the one you blindly think will work)
[09:38] <ikonia> or just stop using an out of date distro
[09:42] <LibertyWeNeed> ikonia, I don't like UNITY and I prefer my distro to be as Free as Possible.
[09:43] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: ubuntu is totally free
[09:43] <ikonia> LibertyWeNeed: and there are other desktops for uubntu
[09:43] <ikonia> (lxde/xfce/kde/gnome/etc)
[09:44] <pseudonymous> LibertyWeNeed: some of the hardware support you might like from Ubuntu comes exactly from compromising what you might consider free (binary blobs)
[09:44] <Darkchaos> Hey Guys. I am trying to log an usb device passed through to qemu however as soon as I start capturing I get regular disconnects and reconnects. dmesg prints (reset device number 10 using xhci_hcd and then usb disconnect anud thn new device number 11 using xhci_hcd)
[09:44] <LibertyWeNeed> pseudonymous, your probably right
[09:44] <pseudonymous> LibertyWeNeed: if you're more concerned about those issues, then perhaps try Fedora or Debian which both are community-focused (especially the latter) and heavily invested in providing a free destop (to a fault, some would say)
[10:04] <sruli> i have a problem with ubuntu-mate 16.04, installed on 2 different HP (1 laptop and 1 all in 1), both i5 cpu and 8gb of ram, but it seems terribly slow for doing the smallest things, opening caja takes 10 seconds, thunderbird 15-20 seonds, i check resources in htop and not much used how can i find why its slow? (on an asus laptop its as fast as wild fire)
[10:07] <pseudonymous> sruli: I'm guessing the ASUS has an SSD and the HP machines do not
[10:07] <hateball> sruli: run the programs from terminal, see if they spit out any errors causing long load times. check your drives also
[10:07] <sruli> pseudonymous: correct, but it should'nt be this slow on a regular hdd
[10:09] <pseudonymous> Well, not at the outset, no. But try looking with htop (to see CPU usage of running processes) and iotop (to see I/O load of running processes). Perhaps you'll find something running amok
[10:09] <hateball> sruli: use smartctl to check the health of the drive(s)
[10:11] <sruli> hateball: even terminal takes ~5 secs to open, running caja from terminal i get no output errors, will try smartctl
[10:12] <ikonia> sruli: IO and/or graphics config is the most likley starting point
[10:12] <ikonia> sruli: you need to understand where the lag is before trying to fix it though
[10:12] <hateball> old crappy HDDs is why we cant have nice things
[10:12] <ikonia> understanding the differnce between actual delay and visual delay too are important
[10:12] <sruli> htop is showing the cores at 0-4% usage, nothing is using much resources
[10:13] <DevAntoine> hi
[10:13] <DevAntoine> I'm trying to eject a flash drive. Two seconds after doing so the flashdrive is automatically mounted
[10:13] <DevAntoine> wtf?
[10:13] <ikonia> DevAntoine: tone it down
[10:13] <ikonia> DevAntoine: how are you ejecting the flash drive, it sounds like automounting is picking it up straight away
[10:14] <DevAntoine> ikonia: well, I'm under xfce, I just click the "eject" icon at the right of the flash drive name in the file explorer
[10:16] <ikonia> DevAntoine: does it mount the desktop icon too
[10:17] <DevAntoine> yeah, and a new explorer pops right after the flash drive being mounted
[10:17] <ikonia> DevAntoine: if you right click the desktop icon and eject it, does the same thing happen (I'm trying to understand if the different interactions trigger the same event)
[10:18] <sruli> hateball: a short test would be enough with smartctl?
[10:19] <DevAntoine> ikonia: oh, it worked :|
[10:19] <DevAntoine> Thanks
[10:19] <ikonia> DevAntoine: interesting, so it looks like the event the file manager is triggering is either not completing properly, or not the proper sys call to eject
[10:21] <hateball> sruli: sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX to show the smart log
[10:21] <hateball> sruli: there you can see if the drive has reallocated sectors or other problems etc
[10:21] <DevAntoine> ikonia: well, after years of using Linux nothing surprises me anymore :D
[10:21] <sruli> hateball: i just installed smartmontools, should i run a test first?
[10:21] <blackyboy> Hi Everyone
[10:22] <hateball> sruli: no need
[10:22] <blackyboy> How can i get setfacl command in Ubuntu
[10:22] <hateball> sruli: check logged info first, then you can issue a test to be extra certain
[10:22] <blackyboy> We are using Ubuntu 10.10. in production environment
[10:22] <sruli> started a test already.. should be finished now, but have the log from before, will compare
[10:22] <ikonia> blackyboy: that distro is end of life and not supported
[10:22] <ikonia> blackyboy: sorry
[10:23] <blackyboy> ikonia, yes its not under support may i know which package will provide setback command.
[10:23] <blackyboy> setfacl command
[10:23] <ikonia> blackyboy: the repos are moved to the archive - we don't support it here
[10:23] <blackyboy> fine
[10:24] <blackyboy> ikonia, may i know which package will provide the setfacl command in Ubuntu 12.04
[10:25] <ikonia> packages.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <DevAntoine> but I guess you have to install some packages and then mount your partitions with the "acl" option
[10:25] <ikonia> blackyboy: howver, I appreciate you're trying to trick me here - so be aware that package contents change from version to version
[10:25] <blackyboy> DevAntoine, nope this is to provide permission for once of user under other user home directory
[10:26] <blackyboy> ikonia, thank you sure.
[10:26] <A_C_M> Hello, I got a system with a 120gb ssd m.2 for the OS and a raid1 2x2TB for media storage. The problem is with hdparm, it sometimes uses hdparm.conf to put the drives to sleep, it sometimes doesn't. If I manualy do hdparm -Y on both drives, then then stay in standby without problems, until a query comes up. Dunno where to start debugging. Can anyone suggest a starting point ?
[10:27] <ikonia> A_C_M: putting raid devices to sleep in general can cause you problems
[10:27] <ikonia> A_C_M: I'd advise you to not do that on the raid didks
[10:27] <ikonia> (unless it's a hardware raid controller - which I doubt it is)
[10:29] <sruli> hateball: what am i looking for in the log, it states "no errors logged"
[10:29] <hateball> sruli: pastebin it
[10:29] <hateball> sruli: you want to look at the values
[10:30] <hateball> ... and I am off to lunch for a bit. hopefully someone else can help you look at it
[10:30] <sruli> ok, will pastebin the before and after test... 1 min
[10:30] <A_C_M> ikonia: it's not a hardware controller, it's just software mdadm. I plan to get a proper hw raid controller, but until then I want to use the setup like this. At some restarts It puts the drives to sleep after 20min, other it doesn't.
[10:30] <ikonia> A_C_M: I advise you to not put the disks to sleep - it's that simple
[10:30] <A_C_M> this is the hdparm conf: pastebin.com/eFJZmxQ4 this is the raid md0 info: pastebin.com/WEYKh0FP this is the dmesg, lshw --class disk and hwinfo --disk output: pastebin.com/4xLjyiB6
[10:31] <ikonia> disable sleep on those disks
[10:31] <A_C_M> hmmm the disks are used 1-2 times a week
[10:31] <ikonia> from your perspective they are
[10:31] <ikonia> from the OS they are not
[10:31] <ikonia> as they are in a software raid configuration
[10:33] <sruli> hateball: paste.unbuntu.com/23637522
[10:33] <A_C_M> ok, i will get a hardware raid. how do I solve the hdparm.conf problem ? :)
[10:33] <ikonia> A_C_M: you disable sleep on the disks
[10:34] <A_C_M> ikonia: even if I get a hardware controller ? :)
[10:34] <ikonia> A_C_M: well no, it will work then
[10:36] <A_C_M> ikonia: hmmm ok, thank you for your help.
[10:40] <sruli> hateball: did you have a look at the paste?
[10:53] <ngomes> anyone proefficient in using wine ?
[10:53] <bazhang> whats the actual question ngomes
[10:54] <ngomes> bazhang, want to install a windows game , directx9x and .netframework 3.5 or higher
[10:54] <ngomes> bazhang, want to install a windows game , directx9c and .netframework 3.5 or higher
[10:54] <bazhang> ngomes, did you check the appdb and ask in #winehq yet?
[10:54] <ngomes> winehq is invite only
[10:54] <morf> no it's not
[10:54] <bazhang> no it's not
[10:55] <ngomes> i get kicked with that message
[10:55] <morf> "wine appdb [nameofyourgame]" to google
[10:55] <bazhang> !appdb | ngomes
[10:58] <igorbez> hello
[11:04] <sruli> can someone please take a look at my smartctl log and see if the values are good? i dont have a clue about those values, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23637522/
[11:08] <6A4AAK9QO> Hello, I want to convert a video .mp4 to .webm and keep the same size ! How to do plz ?
[11:20] <hateball> sruli: well Multi_Zone_Error_Rate could be a (at least beginning) issue, not sure about Program_Fail_Cnt_Total it could just be misreported
[11:20] <hateball> sruli: usually it's any of the "Error" attributes you want to look at
[11:21] <hateball> sruli: and they seem fine, except for G-Sense_Error_Rate
[11:22] <sruli> hateball: what does the g-sense-error mean
[11:23] <hateball> sruli: it records if the drive has been dropped or whatever, it's supposed to halt then to prevent damage
[11:23] <hateball> sruli: but such things could also occur due to mechanical failure, so hard to say
[11:25] <hateball> sruli: At any rate I would write a letter to Santa asking for a replacement SSD ;p
[11:27] <ppf> does this affect ubuntu's apt as well: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2016/msg00316.html
[11:27] <rejns> im booting from live ubuntu usb and not getting option to install ubuntu, it goes straight to live
[11:27] <rejns> is that normal ?
[11:27] <sruli> hateball: santa never responds! i can get ssd but i really would like to get to the bottom of it, i also have it running on 3 acer i3 all-in-ones and i always though they were slow there because of hardware compatibility (unity was so slow on them i had to go for something else) i would really like to get to the bottom of it, i will not accapt that ubuntu is built for ssd only
[11:29] <Authoritarian> gudmrng
[11:29] <hateball> sruli: It's not built for SSD only, I was merely saying that if you have a faulty drive it should be replaced by an SSD
[11:30] <hateball> sruli: as for general slowness, like ikonia said it can be either gpu or hdd etc.
[11:30] <hateball> sruli: you can use a benchmarking tool like bonnie++ if you want to check your HDD speeds
[11:31] <hateball> sruli: doing I/O intensive stuff like that would likely have an impact on the SMART numbers as well, so you can check those and see if error rates increase
[11:31] <sruli> will look up bonnie, what tools can i use to test ram?
[11:31] <hateball> !memtest
[11:31] <hateball> oh come on
[11:31] <hateball> sruli: reboot and hold shift to go into grub, there should be a memtest option
[11:31] <sruli> ok, thanks
[11:32] <rejns>  im booting from live ubuntu usb and not getting option to install ubuntu, it goes straight to live
[11:32] <rejns>  is that normal ?
[11:33] <Felishia> how do I record ubuntu desktop including microphone?
[11:34] <Felishia> I tried recordmydesktop but it's broken
[11:34] <brunch875> it's broken how?
[11:34] <rejns> everything in linux is broken
[11:34] <Felishia> yes
[11:34] <hateball> Felishia: I like obs-studio, but it's not in the official repos
[11:34] <rejns> literally
[11:34] <Felishia> the video is completely messed up
[11:34] <rejns> everything
[11:34] <brunch875> Last time I checked recordmydesktop worked flawlessly
[11:34] <sruli> rejns: once in live do you have the option to install? how did you create the usb?
[11:34] <Felishia> and the audio from my mic is 10 times louder than the audio from the desktop
[11:34] <rejns> i used makestartupdisk
[11:34] <rejns> in ubuntu
[11:35] <brunch875> you can try obs-studio like hateball mentioned
[11:35] <brunch875> it's very user friendly
[11:35] <brunch875> just... bigger :p
[11:35] <rejns> sruli, what is more i can't get to terminal in live distro
[11:35] <bazhang> try kazam then Felishia
[11:35] <bazhang> !info kazam | Felishia
[11:35] <Felishia> what is obs studio
[11:35] <sruli> rejns: something is wrong with your usb image
[11:35] <Felishia> oh I remember kazam
[11:36] <rejns> sruli, md5sum says ok
[11:36] <brunch875> I remember using obs studio to stream games to twitch.tv
[11:36] <brunch875> but you can use it to record as well
[11:36] <rejns> sruli, i had dual boot with grub, then deleted ubuntu partitions from windows, but now i cant reinstall that's how it all started
[11:37] <rejns> sruli, is it beacause of grub ?
[11:38] <sruli> rejns: dont think so, as i said something is wrong with the usb image, not the image you downloaded but how it was put on the usb, are you using eufi boot?
[11:38] <rejns> not sure about that
[11:38] <rejns> but..
[11:38] <rejns> then tried to use unetbootin
[11:38] <rejns> but this shit cant find usb drive
[11:38] <sruli> rejns: try to make the usb with something lie unetbootin
[11:39] <rejns> everyhing has it's glithces
[11:39] <rejns> ffs
[11:39] <rejns> while makestartup disk finds drive and cant properly write
[11:39] <rejns> unetbootin cant find drive
[11:39] <rejns> how good is that
[11:39] <rejns> man,... so frustrating
[11:39] <Felishia> kazam worked ;d
[11:39] <Felishia> ;d
[11:39] <Felishia> ;d
[11:39] <Felishia> :D
[11:40] <rejns> thinking about to run windows from virtualbox and try rufus...
[11:40] <Felishia> now I can call the army and record them >:3
[11:41] <rejns> sruli,  any better idea ?
[11:41] <Felishia> I however don't like how the sound seems messed up because my microphone gets a lot of noise
[11:41] <sruli> rejns: no
[11:42] <rejns> i always feel im doing more to get linux working then actuall work...
[11:42] <rejns> so pissed
[11:42] <rejns> fuk
[11:42] <Felishia> how do I make pulse only record if I'm talking :o
[11:42] <rejns> but no money for mac
[11:42] <rejns> ...
[11:42] <brunch875> Felishia: could it be that your mic gain is set too loud?
[11:42] <brunch875> check volume settings
[11:42] <Felishia> brunch875, lemme see
[11:43] <brunch875> Also check if kazam has a push to talk option
[11:43] <Felishia> brunch875, it's actually at 39%
[11:43] <Felishia> not really :/
[11:45] <brunch875> rejns: you should be able to launch the installer from the live usb anyway
[11:45] <brunch875> there should be a shortcut in the desktop
[11:45] <rejns> brunch875,  how
[11:45] <rejns> it's broken somehow
[11:45] <brunch875> boot from live usb and observe your desktop
[11:45] <rejns> cant get to terminal
[11:45] <rejns> or click anything
[11:45] <brunch875> there should be an installer
[11:45] <brunch875> oh
[11:46] <brunch875> what did you use to create the usb?
[11:46] <rejns> yeah..
[11:46] <rejns> makestartupdisk
[11:46] <rejns> from ubuntu
[11:46] <brunch875> is that the one installed by default?
[11:46] <brunch875> the "usb creator" thing?
[11:49] <dancell> tes
[11:50] <dancell> ping
[11:51] <brunch875> dancell: pong
[11:51] <dancell> where your conform
[11:52] <dancell> brunch875
[11:52] <brunch875> dancell: this is the ubuntu support channel, for chitchat you can join me on #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:53] <stein2864> which Linux is better in gnome
[11:54] <dancell> ada yg dari indonesia
[11:54] <rommel> stein2864, how would you define better
[11:56] <stein2864> ubuntu-gnome cant put icon in desktop
[11:57] <rommel> well honestly i havent tried that but i have gnome working in gentoo with systemd and it works asaik perfectly
[11:57] <rommel> i think though i saw a switch or teak that allowed icons on the desktop
[11:58] <stein2864> gentoo .....is difficult
[11:58] <dancell> kn
[11:59] <stein2864> just a noob
[11:59] <rommel> not really but i will say ubuntu loaded on this macbook in less then 15 mins
[12:00] <rommel> stein2864, do you have tweak tool installed
[12:01] <martin__2> Hello guys, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.1 and I encounter a problem with the `add-apt-repository` command
[12:02] <martin__2> here is the stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23637811/
[12:06] <rommel> martin__2, what was the repo... what was the command you tried to fetch it
[12:06] <martin__2> rommel: `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:budgie-remix/ppa`
[12:07] <martin__2> like found here: https://launchpad.net/~budgie-remix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:07] <rommel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/852456/traceback-output-when-adding-repository
[12:08] <rommel> seems your not alone
[12:11] <rommel> and this may be related too.. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520992
[12:12] <martin__2> rommel: yes, looks like...
[12:14] <martin__2> hum 2009, seems too old no?
[12:15] <yao_ziyuan> hi. i'm in ubuntu 15.10 but wants wine 1.8.5 or higher, and wine's official repo is too slow.
[12:16] <jedivapes> hi everybody
[12:17] <rommel> martin__2, yes but the lsb_release was in your traceback
[12:20] <rommel> yao_ziyuan, maybe something like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/626932/how-to-download-wine-offline
[12:20] <Amm0n> !EOL | yao_ziyuan
[12:20] <martin__2> rommel: how to reinstall a package? I would like to reinstall the lsb-release package
[12:20] <Amm0n> 15.10 is not supported any longer
[12:20] <yao_ziyuan> more specifically, it is ppa.launchpad.net that is too slow from my china-based internet access.
[12:20] <Nod0n_Neon> Hi, what other backup programm then back in time do you recomend? (I'm a learning sysadmin, using ubuntu since 14.04 as main OS, backing up my laptop with live usb and dd ATM)
[12:21] <ikonia> Nod0n_Neon: depends on your requirements
[12:21] <yao_ziyuan> Amm0n: yeah but 16.04 and 16.10 don't support my GTX960 video card.
[12:21] <ikonia> yao_ziyuan: pretty sure they do
[12:21] <Amm0n> martin__2, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <yao_ziyuan> ikonia: tried several times and failed.
[12:22] <ikonia> yao_ziyuan: doesn't mean it doesn't support it
[12:22] <Nod0n_Neon> I need all my data backed up like every week/ day / hour (i don't know yet), and every month a complete system backup.
[12:22] <ikonia> yao_ziyuan: means you couldn't get it working,
[12:22] <rommel> martin__2, i am just using google but here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2050804
[12:22] <yao_ziyuan> ikonia: ok ok
[12:22] <ikonia> I've got a 980, a 970 working on 16.04 and a 1080 working on 16.10
[12:23] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if it didn't pickup the 960
[12:23] <rommel> Amm0n, did you see the python error martin__2 pasted when trying to add a repo
[12:23] <martin__2> Amm0n: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23637871/
[12:24] <martin__2> I might have an idea lsb-release package is probably coming from a ppa on my machine
[12:24] <martin__2> I would like to go back to the one provided by ubuntu
[12:25] <martin__2> but removing lsb-release is removing tons of dependencies
[12:26] <Amm0n> martin__2, if you want to use this repo (which i don't recommend) you need to add it to sources.list like in the link you provided
[12:26] <Amm0n> martin__2, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[12:27] <rommel> Amm0n, is that the reason for that traceback error
[12:27] <martin__2> Amm0n: I have this installed on my system: 9.20160110+elementary4~ubuntu0.4.1 - lsb-release:i386 (= 9.20160110+elementary4~ubuntu0.4.1)
[12:27] <martin__2> And I would like to go back to the ubuntu version
[12:28] <rommel> yeah adding packages from aur in arch was a disaster
[12:28] <ppf> martin__2: the ppa-purge package can help you purge a ppa
[12:28] <rommel> its like installing outside of portage in gentoo or funtoo
[12:29] <Amm0n> martin__2, how did you get this lsb_release? your sources.list looks fine
[12:30] <martin__2> Amm0n: it was in my source.list.d
[12:30] <IronSnout> :)
[12:30] <martin__2> But I removed the ppa later on
[12:30] <martin__2> but this thing staayed here
[12:31] <Amm0n> did you ppa-purge this ppa?
[12:31] <martin__2> Amm0n: sadly not
[12:31] <ppf> then do so
[12:31] <martin__2> but I cannot right now because lsb_release is failing
[12:31] <martin__2> youpi!
[12:33] <yao_ziyuan> is there any faster mirror for ppa.launchpad.net?
[12:33] <ikonia> yao_ziyuan: it's a distirbuted service
[12:34] <yao_ziyuan> now i'm using a proxy to download https://launchpadlibrarian.net/231444440/wine1.8-amd64_1.8.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10.1~ppa1_amd64.deb and it becomes SIGNIFICANTLY faster.
[12:35] <martin__2> Okay solved guys
[12:35] <rommel> martin__2, how
[12:36] <martin__2> I downgraded the lsb-release package, then I will readd the faulty ppa and purge it to reset all packages
[12:36] <ppf> you don't need to readd it
[12:36] <martin__2> sudo apt-get install lsb-release=9.20160110ubuntu0.2
[12:36] <martin__2> I can purge without readding it?
[12:36] <ppf> by hand
[12:37] <ppf> or, if you'd like to use, ppa-purge
[12:37] <ppf> then you need to readd it
[12:37] <martin__2> ok
[12:37] <rommel> well when you purge a repo does it then remove all installed pkgs from it and reinstall the normal ones?
[12:38] <ppf> rommel: with ppa-purge, yes
[12:38] <Amm0n> martin__2, if you cleaned by hand an apt update/upgrade should bring back the normal version
[12:38] <rommel> that would be the thing to do then since it may catch what you might miss
[12:38] <martin__2> yes I will go this way
[12:39] <ppf> Amm0n: no, upgrade doesn't downgrade packages
[12:42] <_joe_^> Hi I have a problem with scane from brother dcp-j315w. I installed *.deb drivers form official web (printer, scancer, and drivet install tool) but sane cant scan documents (see scaner via usb of sane-fine-scanner)
[12:43] <_joe_^> Under windows havent problem. I remember that scaner work too under arch's distro bunt driver was not brscane3 but brscan4 and was from arch AUR
[12:55] <martin__2> okay, so looks like it's much better now, but I still have this error now: lsb_release: error: no such option: -u
[13:01] <quantibility> i was losing all faith in ubuntu untill i switched to ubuntu from xubuntu.. from scratch, i did manage to save my mess of a work.. im glad i went toe the roots.
[13:01] <quantibility> too
[13:01] <quantibility> to?
[13:12] <_joe_^> ?
[13:16] <aviral> #processing
[13:22] <sruli> trying to find why a few of my machines are very slow, smartctl looked ok, will run some bonnie++ tests soon, but i just tried "su -sch" on a dir (should be around 400gb) its already running 6-7 minutes and has not returned a result yet, does this indicate a problem with hdd? (on my main PC which is zfs raid 5 same command on 521gb took ~20 seconds)
[13:25] <sruli> after 8 minutes du finished 321gb, why so long
[13:25] <xurious_phone> Morning folks. In a pickle. Installed 16.04 server. Did the mod to show 'classic' if names (eth0). Modified interfaces to set a static IP. Ifconfig shows everything is correct. However I still can't ping gateway. Is there something else I can check to see if the network is properly configured?
[13:26] <sruli> xurious_phone: can you ping it from other machine on local network?
[13:27] <Southern_Gentlem> xurious_phone, subnet mask correct?
[13:28] <xurious_phone> Subnet mask is correct. Unable to ping it  (or out.)
[13:29] <sruli> xurious_phone: have you bought up the interface?
[13:29] <ppf> can't ping means what exactly?
[13:30] <xurious_phone> Other machines on the subnet are unable to ping this IP. From this server, I can not ping gateway or other IPs
[13:31] <ppf> that's what you said, but what does it mean
[13:31] <ppf> what's the error message
[13:31] <ppf> how do you ping
[13:31] <ppf> are the interfaces up?
[13:32] <ppf> are they configured?
[13:33] <sruli> ppf: i got the card, monitor & mount, tomorrow will install and hope for a smooth ride
[13:33] <xurious_phone> "Ping <ip>",  destination host unreachable, ifconfig shows the if as UP
[13:34] <xurious_phone> Pretty typical way, no?
[13:34] <jorth> hi
[13:34] <jorth> I'm having a problem with startx
[13:34] <jorth> whenever I restart, startx will simply hang
[13:35] <jorth> when I kill it and try again, it will hang again
[13:35] <jorth> but then when I "sudu startx" it works
[13:35] <jorth> and furthermore, when I stop x again and remove .ICEauthority, normal startx starts to worx
[13:35] <jorth> *work
[13:36] <jorth> when I start X, the nvidia logo flashes very shortly so maybe it has something to do with the proprietary driver
[13:36] <brunch875> from what I remember, doing startx with sudo is a bad idea since it changes the owner of some configuration files to root
[13:37] <brunch875> so then startx cannot be started normally
[13:37] <jorth> it writes .ICEauthority so I have to delete that one manually afterwards
[13:37] <jorth> but then it worxs
[13:37] <jorth> *works
[13:37] <jorth> the interesting issue is that "startx" starts to work only after I do "sudo startx" once
[13:37] <brunch875> but is it .ICEauthority the only file startx creates?
[13:37] <jorth> everytime I reboot
[13:38] <jorth> brunch875: maybe, maybe not. it's the only thing in ~ owned by root after "sudo startx"
[13:39] <brunch875> I don't know what sudo startx breaks, since I'm no expert in X
[13:39] <brunch875> but I know it breaks stuff
[13:39] <jorth> It's rather the other way around. "sudo startx" fixes something that allows me to use normal "startx" afterwards.
[13:39] <brunch875> tales of friends have told me they managed to fix it by reinstalling
[13:40] <brunch875> what I mean is probably the first "sudo startx" you ran is the one which broke stuff and left you in this state
[13:42] <jamesrleimer> morning
[13:42] <jorth> possibly. but I don't see why another "sudo startx" would fix it.
[13:44] <brunch875> *figures*
[13:45] <aviral> #processing
[13:45] <holycrunchitz> hi
[13:45] <holycrunchitz> my apache died. can't figure out why
[13:45] <holycrunchitz> please help, this is a production site
[13:46] <sruli> holycrunchitz: 16.04?
[13:46] <holycrunchitz> yep
[13:46] <holycrunchitz> all of the vhosts went dark yesterday
[13:47] <sruli> is apache running at all?
[13:47] <guest-cnw2yf> Hi, I upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04.1 and now I don't have permission to mount my HDDs, how can I change that?
[13:48] <precise> Hey guys, apt update on 16.04 wouldn't work this morning said some files were opened or locked; possibly in use by another process. Looked in htop, didn't see anything. They eventually became unlocked and the issue resolved itself, but still: Are there any common issues that might cause this I can look into after the fact?
[13:49] <guest-cnw2yf> I don't dual boot
[13:51] <holycrunchitz> sruli yes
[13:52] <LTM> Hi
[13:52] <sruli> holycrunchitz: do you see any errors in "systemctl status apache2"
[13:52] <holycrunchitz> sruli http://pastebin.com/ezCcKzg5
[13:53] <sruli> holycrunchitz: was just guessing the basics, dont know, try the log files
[13:55] <guest-cnw2yf> Alright, it's me that screwed up. I forgot that I had changed /etc/fstab to make my home folder a different partition and I replaced it with a default
[13:55] <guest-cnw2yf> (I can't mount HDD because I'm on a guest account, because graphical login doesn't work)
[13:56] <holycrunchitz> sruli AH00016: Configuration Failed
[13:56] <holycrunchitz> but apachectl says that syntax is ok
[13:57] <sruli> want to run a memetest but dont have that option in grub
[13:58] <precise> Anyone?
[13:59] <Pici> precise: sounds like there may have been another apt update happening in the background.
[13:59] <Antares> https://pp.vk.me/c633922/v633922276/23f19/eUuYuxc7Zog.jpg НОВЫЙ DC HUB !!!
[13:59] <precise> Pici: I don't have any cron jobs setup, what else could start an apt update?
[14:00] <holycrunchitz> anyone in here know how to read a strace?
[14:01] <Pici> precise: iirc theres one that runs to update the motd screen that tells you how many packages require updates.
[14:02] <OerHeks> !netsplit
[14:03] <precise> Pici: Hmmm, that makes sense, but I don't have motd last I checked, this is the Desktop version.
[14:05] <IronSnout> .
[14:05] <Pici> precise: Take a look at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[14:05] <Pici> precise: the setting there powers what happens in /etc/cron.daily/apt
[14:11] <deavmi> WHat is the current release name of 16.10?
[14:11] <OerHeks> something with a Y ..
[14:12] <deavmi> Yakkity?
[14:12] <deavmi> Okay thanks
[14:12] <deavmi> * Yakkety
[14:12] <OerHeks> .. yak, indeed
[14:15] <holycrunchitz> GOT IT
[14:16] <holycrunchitz> sruli: in case you were curious, it was an invalid ssl cert
[14:16] <holycrunchitz> why in God's name doesn't apache just say so in the fricking logs?
[14:16] <holycrunchitz> anyway thank you for helping me get my momentum going!
[14:19] <kLOs> nmap shows me this: 12345/tcp filtered netbus
[14:19] <kLOs> should I be concerened?
[14:19] <kLOs> anyone can help investigate what causes this port to show?
[14:20] <Southern_Gentlem> netstat
[14:21] <kLOs> netstat doesnt show me anything on 12345
[14:22] <kLOs> i also tried fuser, but nothing
[14:23] <OerHeks>  lsof | grep 12345
[14:23] <OerHeks> ( shows what process opens that port)
[14:23] <kLOs> nothing
[14:24] <Southern_Gentlem> i am suspecting nmap
[14:24] <Southern_Gentlem> did you run nmap from the same machine
[14:24] <kLOs> no
[14:24] <Southern_Gentlem> http://www.auditmypc.com/tcp-port-12345.asp
[14:25] <kLOs> but i'm reading now that it might be the firewall since it's filtered
[14:25] <Southern_Gentlem> it can be alot of things
[14:25] <OerHeks>  note: TCP port 12345 uses the Transmission Control Protocol too
[14:25] <codfection> http://thehackernews.com/2016/12/ubuntu-hack.html LOL
[14:26] <OerHeks> codfection,  old news, if you got the ffmpeg updates today
[14:26] <codfection> OerHeks, why does ubuntu bring more vulnerable software with it?
[14:27] <Pici> codfection: Thats a weird question. Are you asking why software has bugs?
[14:28] <codfection> Pici, well.. there are many bugs discovered in past related to ubuntu only and not for Gnu/Linux in general.
[14:29] <OerHeks> codfection, read your story again, it says not ubuntu exclusive :-D
[14:29] <codfection> Pici, considering the fact that a huge company like canonical is backing up ubuntu..
[14:29] <Pici> codfection: I strongly disagree.  The vast majority of security updates that you get are for things not created by canonical.
[14:29] <OerHeks> fud
[14:31] <DArqueBishop> Ubuntu has security bugs that need fixing.
[14:31] <DArqueBishop> Windows has security bugs that need fixing.
[14:31] <DArqueBishop> Android has security bugs that need fixing.
[14:31] <codfection> Pici, I didnt mean that.. I mean that ubuntu installs bunch of crap that brings vulnerabilities
[14:31] <DArqueBishop> iOS has security bugs that need fxing.
[14:31] <DArqueBishop> There's no such thing as perfectly secure software.
[14:31] <codfection> DArqueBishop, I dont think iOS has any bugs.
[14:32] <codfection> DArqueBishop, in past yes, not anymore. iOS is considerably more secure. : Fact
[14:32] <DArqueBishop> codfection: not fact. Opinion.
[14:32] <OerHeks> open your ios agenda ...
[14:33] <DArqueBishop> Really, this discussion belongs in #ubuntu-discuss.
[14:33] <OerHeks> anyway, nice friday trolling, codfection
[14:33] <DArqueBishop> Or #ubuntu-offtopic.
[14:33] <codfection> DArqueBishop, OerHeks come to offtopic or discuss. I will show you proof
[14:38] <invisiblek> yea, you probably want to leave that on Pici lol
[14:38] <txdv> hello
[14:41] <jamesrleimer> res
[14:41] <ppf> speaking of security bugs
[14:41] <ppf> is ubuntu affected as well: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2016/msg00316.html
[14:42] <codfection> why ubuntu is not rolling release? wouldn't it be beneficial for users to get up to date software while counting on ubuntu's support?
[14:44] <txdv> sure
[14:44] <txdv> codfection: apply to canonical and do that
[14:44] <OerHeks> if you want to drop quality, sure
[14:45] <codfection> OerHeks, how does it drop quality? mind explaining?
[14:45] <codfection> txdv, lol
[14:45] <stein2843> zhengsheng 你好
[14:46] <txdv> codfection: its not really funny, its a lot of work
[14:46] <ppf> codfection: you can't make necessary but invasive changes in a rolling release
[14:48] <Amm0n> ppf, that's not true
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:50] <codfection> ppf, it's not. It makes no sense
[14:50] <ppf> Amm0n: of course you can, but that would be indistinguishable from a full distribution upgrade
[14:50] <ppf> take the switch from upstart to systemd for instance
[14:50] <ppf> there's no sane way to do that in a rolling release
[14:51] <Amm0n> ppf i took this step with a 1 year neglected rr without any problems^
[14:52] <Amm0n> well, it was sysvinit - systemd
[14:52] <ppf> then ... that's not a rolling relase
[14:52] <ppf> or release
[14:52] <Amm0n> sure it was/is
[14:53] <ppf> what system were you switching on, then?
[14:54] <Amm0n> the distro switched from sysvinit to systemd
[14:54] <Antares> Send cocaine from MI6
[14:54] <OerHeks> Partly rolling Full-rolling Pseudo-rolling True-rolling Cyclically rolling, what version do you suggest, codfection?
[14:54] <ppf> Amm0n: arch linux?
[14:55] <codfection> ppf, arch did that and it was / is a rolling distro.
[14:55] <Amm0n> ppf yes arch
[14:55] <codfection> ppf, https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-is-now-the-default-on-new-installations/
[14:55] <codfection> OerHeks, full-rolling
[14:56] <ppf> codfection: yes, i know
[14:57] <codfection> ppf, so your argument is completely wrong and false.
[14:57]  * OerHeks facepalms
[14:58] <ppf> OerHeks: :)
[14:58] <codfection> thats a fanboy facepalm lol
[14:58] <Amm0n> ppf, one of my systems with arch i installed 2009, and it didn't got broken by any update yet
[14:58] <ppf> breaking updates is not a problem inherent to rolling release
[14:58] <codfection> Amm0n, try upgrading from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and it will give you headaches lol
[14:59] <ppf> codfection: not really
[15:00] <ppf> Amm0n: the issue with rr is about stability. rr vastly increases the likelihood of major bugs making it into production
[15:00] <ppf> that's the principal reason why ubuntu does fixed-release
[15:00] <Amm0n> ppf, 7 years working now is what i call stable
[15:00] <ppf> (well, that and because upstream debian does so)
[15:02] <Amm0n> ppf, read https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_compared_to_other_distributions
[15:03] <ppf> Amm0n: i am familiar with arch
[15:17] <codfection> Amm0n, arch is a no match for kids distro
[15:17] <codfection> anyway ppf you better get your facts straight
[15:18] <ppf> codfection: my facts are flawless
[15:18] <invisiblek> rolling release is more unstable, there's absolutely no doubt about that
[15:19] <invisiblek> good, bad or otherwise
[15:19] <Amm0n> lol another one
[15:19] <codfection> lol
[15:19] <invisiblek> you guys clearly have no idea how software development works
[15:19] <invisiblek> bleeding edge != stable
[15:19] <ppf> folks i think it's time to quit this discussion and get back on topic
[15:21] <codfection> Amm0n, they always cry about stability whenever asked for bleeding edge packages or rr. but the fact is that ubuntu has more stability issues than rr and bleeding edge distros. like ppf said I wont say more because its getting offtopic. cheers
[15:21] <GrandPa-G> I need some help configuring postfix on 16.04. I installed as the default Internet option. What do I need to change to set up smtp sending?
[15:22] <kinase> guys, could someone help me out? I am having an issue with shutting down lightdm and going back to the terminal (ctrl+alt+F1). It keeps the black screen, but I can still run commands, only blindly.
[15:22] <ppf> GrandPa-G: here's a guide you can try: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html
[15:23] <Amm0n> invisiblek, rolling release != bleeding edge
[15:24] <invisiblek> eh, you got me there
[15:25] <GrandPa-G> ppf: i had skimmed that one but it seemed more about tls and ssl. I just found another https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/postfix-smtp-debian7 I am going to look at.
[15:27] <GrandPa-G> I basically want to use it as a relay via gmail
[15:31] <rafalcpp> Ubuntu's live-cd seems to not include mdadm, wtf?
[15:31] <ppf> rafalcpp: install it
[15:32] <stein2843> anyone know how to solve tearing UI&video
[15:32] <rafalcpp> ppf: that sucks
[15:32] <ppf> why
[15:33] <rafalcpp> ppf: can't do basic repair on your computer
[15:33] <rafalcpp> (without internet)
[15:34] <ppf> rafalcpp: server or desktop
[15:34] <ppf> did you try the Alternate Install disk?
[15:35] <rafalcpp> ppf: for me desktop and server is the same, what do you mean? It's a PC, with a screen, keyboard
[15:36] <ppf> the question is which iso did you use
[15:36] <ppf> if the default desktop iso ships without mdadm, give the Alaternate one a try
[15:36] <ppf> or the server one
[15:36] <ppf> also the alternate one
[15:37] <Pici> ppf: the alt install cd was discontinued a while ago
[15:37] <ppf> Pici: dammit, that's what i get for guessing my answers :)
[15:37] <Pici> !minimal
[15:38] <Pici> but you need an internet connection for that one, obviously.
[15:38] <ppf> Pici: it's rafalcpp's question originially. he's looking for a live disk that contains mdadm
[15:39] <nicomachus> uh oh. Pici is all op'd up
[15:39] <Pici> oops
[15:41] <rafalcpp> Pici: that cd really should contain basic stuff to open your disk. mdadm, lsblk, cryptsetup, lvm. they are probably < 1mb packed together
[15:41] <rafalcpp> espcially as there was room for various icons/backgrounds and other unneeded stuff
[15:41] <felum> hallo
[15:42] <ppf> Pici: the alternate iso is still referenced on help.ubuntu.com
[15:43] <ioria> ppf, only lubuntu i think has it
[15:43] <Amm0n> rafalcpp, you are right, but RAID is not very common on Desktop setups, that's why it's not included in the desktop iso. The server iso should have all stuff you mentioned.
[15:44] <ppf> rafalcpp: try the server iso maybe
[15:44] <ppf> me, Amm0n beat me to it
[15:44] <ioria> server it's not live
[15:45] <rafalcpp> well that is another point, all ubuntus should setup raid by default (at least degraded mirror)
[15:45] <rafalcpp> just so when user decides to add a disk and "convert to raid" he can do that easily
[15:45] <ppf> that's not a very sane request
[15:45] <ppf> raid dekstop setups are fringe scenarios
[15:46] <ppf> only very very few users run it
[15:46] <fe1fan> hello
[15:46] <ioria> rafalcpp, can you download the mdadm pkg and install on livecd manually ? via usb maybe
[15:47] <rafalcpp> ioria: could be. Well I already solved it in other way, just saying how dissapointing experience it was
[15:47] <fe1fan_> hello
[15:47] <ioria> rafalcpp, i see
[15:48] <Amm0n> rafalcpp, ubuntu is preconfigured, if you don't like it change what you want, or use another distro
[15:48] <ppf> actually i concur that the iso should contain those tools
[15:49] <ppf> who cares about size, really
[15:50] <nicomachus>  ppf I would say I do, because I want the ISO to fit on a CD.
[15:50] <Amm0n> it would be there if more ppl would use it^
[15:50] <ppf> rafalcpp: you can build your own live disks, btw
[15:50] <ppf> nicomachus: that's what the minimal cd is for
[15:55] <fling> ppf: I run raidz2 on desktops
[15:56] <ppf> so do i (btrfs in fact), but i think we're fringe scenarios, too :)
[15:57] <fling> ppf: but we just need data availability!
[15:57] <ppf> and it's awesome!
[15:58] <Calgon> hi all
[15:58] <Calgon> guys channell for tennis?
[15:59] <ppf> !alis
[15:59] <Calgon> !alis
[16:00] <aarobc> Running ubuntu on a mbp, sometimes the bluetooth audio works flawlessly and has great range. Other days it is crappy quality, crappy range. Anyone know of a solution?
[16:01] <aarobc> Also, can't ever get it to connect on the first try. have to disconnect it and reconnect it a few times, then toggle the audio sync connect in blueman before it finally connects
[16:01] <nicomachus> aarobc: sounds like a typical experience with bluetooth to me. if you find a solution please share.
[16:01] <aarobc> ha ha
[16:04] <quantibility> ok, so, i installed plasma desktop and now i want to remove it i have followed all the advice online and yet i still have the option to choose plasma? can someone help please?
[16:06]  * quantibility plays "sitting by the dock of the bay"
[16:08] <gswallow> I'm sure you hear it multiple times a day but y'all need to hear it from me:  systemd sucks.  Please remove it from forthcoming releases of Ubuntu.
[16:08] <gswallow> That is all.
[16:08] <ppf> lol
[16:09] <quantibility> so no one?
[16:09]  * nicomachus heads over to the master servers to remove systemd, since no one ever put it that way before...
[16:10] <i_and_i> quantability .. perhaps use Synaptic Package Manager to remove everything related to plasma ?
[16:11] <i_and_i> quantibility*
[16:11]  * quantibility knew he should have went with unity... 
[16:11] <quantibility> yup
[16:11] <nicomachus> quantibility: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[16:11] <nicomachus> quantibility: then sudo update-initramfs -u
[16:12] <quantibility> how the f- you mf know ths sh-t all day?
[16:12] <nicomachus> (also apt purge --remove <plasma> but I assume you already did that)
[16:12] <quantibility> not that im knocking i appreciate the help
[16:12] <nicomachus> 1. please watch your language :)
[16:12] <quantibility> i think i tried there
[16:12] <i_and_i> they are experiences
[16:12] <nicomachus> 2. I had to do the same thing earlier this week and just checked my bash history
[16:12] <quantibility> but yes
[16:12] <i_and_i> experienced
[16:14] <nicomachus> quantibility: did that do the trick?
[16:15] <quantibility> im stuck between options
[16:15] <quantibility> and talking on the phone with my girl
[16:16] <quantibility> she always manages to call when im doing something
[16:16] <noonien> Hello folks!
[16:17] <noonien> I'm trying to install i3-gaps-next on yakkety. I've added the following ppa: https://launchpad.net/~daveg/+archive/ubuntu/i3-gaps-next using apt-add-repository, then I ran a sed -i 's/yakkety/xenial/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/daveg-ubuntu-i3-gaps-next-yakkety.list, however, after a apt-get update, apt-cache show i3-wm does not show the correct version. Am I
[16:17] <noonien> doing something wrong?
[16:18] <nicomachus> noonien: may need to check with the guys in #i3
[16:18] <nicomachus> noonien: we can't really provide support for PPAs like that
[16:18] <yotux> Need help running a script at startup with root access
[16:18] <noonien> That seems to be an unofficial PPA, and this really doesn't have anything to do with i3.
[16:18] <noonien> The problem I'm having is that I cannot apt-get the package from the launchpad PPA.
[16:19] <nicomachus> noonien: did you run apt update?
[16:20] <noonien> I did, yes
[16:21] <noonien> This is the output of apt-cache show i3-wm: http://vpaste.net/GFGOZ
[16:45] <jamesrleimer> nothing like just figuring out that the computer you have ubuntu on is a quad core cpu ::}
[16:47] <ioria> jamesrleimer, grep "cpu cores" /proc/cpuinfo
[16:48] <mikeymop> hey all
[16:49] <jamesrleimer> hi mikey... yea i got 4 cores...now just trying to figure out something with conky..whole lot of reading on the net
[16:51] <mikeymop> has anyone here used wine to host a windows service?
[16:51] <jamesrleimer> no i got a windows 10 comp specifically to play steam games..
[17:00] <lonix> Hell when I boot ubuntu USB in uefi, it gives me the try or install option and screen goes blank after choosing ( secure and fast boot is off)
[17:00] <lonix> Anyone have a good idea ?
[17:02] <ernesto_> ciao
[17:03] <quantibility> thank god my girl works
[17:03] <quantibility> ok
[17:03] <quantibility> now back to the options i was stuck at..
[17:03] <jamesrleimer> i think you have to go into bios to change from uefi to legacy
[17:04] <jamesrleimer> dont quote me..there are people here that know better than i
[17:04] <quantibility> auto mode and manual mode?
[17:05] <lonix> James yes but then I would be installing in bios mode :(
[17:05] <quantibility> nicomachus,
[17:05] <jamesrleimer> not sure then
[17:05] <math573> hello. i know this isn't the channel for this but: for xubuntu, are the security updates same as the ones for ubuntu?
[17:08] <quantibility> so?
[17:08] <quantibility> like 0 -3 choices here
[17:08] <quantibility> plymouth?
[17:10] <tgm4883> math573: yes
[17:10] <quantibility> hmm
[17:11] <quantibility> so i just guess it here and use "scale_2" or regular? which one???
[17:11] <quantibility> scale 2 is 99 priority, while regular is 100 priority
[17:12] <quantibility> what to do.
[17:13] <quack_> my mom said 38 bogomips is enough for anyone. my friends all have over 8000 bogomips, what can I do do convince her I need more bogomips?
[17:14] <quantibility> work
[17:14] <quantibility> that would convince anyone when you pay for your own bogomips.
[17:15] <quack_> I wash the car once a week
[17:15] <i_and_i> what is this ugly word :  "bogomips" ?
[17:16] <quantibility> i usta wash and wax a car 23 times a weekend.
[17:16] <quack_> bogomips is the computer speed
[17:16] <quantibility> wt
[17:16] <i_and_i> wasn't it measured in Herz ?
[17:16] <quantibility> sheesh things change so fast
[17:16] <quantibility> i think he's talking about gaming
[17:16] <i_and_i> hmm ic
[17:16] <quantibility> he's whiney about a slow system
[17:17] <i_and_i> gaming is not good for the brain, especially of young children
[17:17] <quantibility> meh
[17:17] <quack_> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Bogo
[17:17] <quack_> BogoMIPS	: 38.40
[17:17] <quack_> :'(
[17:18] <quantibility> i see no good for the brain when the brain is no good for the brain, but otherwise its a pretty helpful tool
[17:18] <i_and_i> ok once per week max
[17:18] <quantibility> quack, go work dude,
[17:18] <quantibility> or dudet
[17:18] <quack_> i can't work right now, the car is clean
[17:18] <quantibility> omg are you in colorado or one for those "other" states right now?
[17:19] <quack_> maybe i should wipe poos on it
[17:19] <quantibility> or are you inebriated?
[17:19] <quack_> wat
[17:19] <quantibility> its so much fun confusing today's youth.
[17:20] <math573> specially when you're old and will most likely die a week later
[17:21] <quantibility> yeah but its so entertaining.
[17:21] <math573> :P
[17:21] <i_and_i> they dunno what else to do
[17:21] <quantibility> soon im going to need meds to stay alive, whoohoo.
[17:21] <quack_> how can i make my machine more bogomips!
[17:22] <quantibility> BUY a better machine, isn't this a channel for ubuntu anyhow?
[17:22] <i_and_i> quack use ethernet cable instead of wifi
[17:22] <quack_> i think this is ubuntu my dad gave it to me
[17:22] <quack_> it's too small!
[17:22] <quantibility> i_i
[17:23] <i_and_i> good dad
[17:23] <i_and_i> now you give him something cool
[17:23] <quack_> MOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR BOGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:23] <quantibility> i_and_i, i didn't know that was a bandwitdth issue?
[17:24] <quack_> ubuntu doesn't have enough bogomips
[17:24] <quantibility> and you do you realize how confusing it is to type that sentence with a name like yours
[17:24] <i_and_i> quantibility.. me neither, im just guessing around
[17:24] <quantibility> and you know i guessed that you where?? lol
[17:24] <i_and_i> heh aye & aye
[17:24] <quack_> make ubuntu with more bogomips please
[17:25] <quantibility> Quack, ok, but i think your done here?
[17:25] <quack_> quantibility your mom is done here.
[17:25] <i_and_i> quack it's not the limitation of Ubuntu, but of your hardware
[17:25] <quantibility> we can't magically make that happenen over night that would be against the laws of nature.
[17:25] <quack_> make it happen
[17:26] <i_and_i> good luck
[17:26] <quantibility> oh god i wish i knew what the term was the drum comedy hit.
[17:26] <quantibility> ba da dant
[17:26] <quantibility> tis
[17:26] <quantibility> and a kick lol
[17:28] <KB3VGW> ok whats going on with 16.04 and python pkgs
[17:29] <KB3VGW> the python link is missing on installs
[17:29] <quantibility> then something is not right
[17:29] <KB3VGW> we just setup a new 16.04 and did apt-get update and upgrade
[17:30] <KB3VGW> and installed switft 3.02
[17:30] <quack_> fuck my ballsack is hot
[17:30] <quantibility> well, do you have a front end?
[17:30] <quantibility> for python?
[17:30] <KB3VGW> the 2.7 pkg is broken
[17:30] <KB3VGW> 3.5 is installed
[17:30] <KB3VGW> but when you type python
[17:31] <KB3VGW> The program 'python' can be found in the following packages:
[17:31] <KB3VGW>  * python-minimal
[17:31] <KB3VGW>  * python3
[17:31] <KB3VGW> Try: apt install <selected package>
[17:31] <quantibility> well there you go
[17:31] <KB3VGW> yet apt-get install python3 says its at the latest
[17:32] <quantibility> you can pick one of the two
[17:32] <KB3VGW> python3 is already the newest version (3.5.1-3).
[17:32] <quantibility> what about minimal?
[17:32] <KB3VGW> it tries to install 2.7 and the 2.7 pkg is broken
[17:33] <yenclgj5nlw> Hi all! Who can advise me a ultralightweight sandbox for a PC built in 2005?
[17:33] <quantibility> tried sudo apt-get update?
[17:33] <KB3VGW> yes
[17:33] <i_and_i> i have both versions of Python installed .. dunno why tho
[17:34] <KB3VGW> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[17:34] <i_and_i> i only use Python3 so far as i know
[17:34] <quantibility> dependencies?
[17:34] <i_and_i> i haven't looked into it
[17:34] <quantibility> KB3VGW, hate to tell ya that is the limit of my expertise.
[17:34] <i_and_i> just plug & play
[17:35] <KB3VGW> Unpacking libpython2.7-minimal:amd64 (2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.1) ...
[17:35] <KB3VGW> Preparing to unpack .../python2.7-minimal_2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.1_amd64.deb ...
[17:35] <KB3VGW> new installation of python2.7-minimal; /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages is a directory
[17:35] <KB3VGW> which is expected a symlink to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages.
[17:35] <KB3VGW> please find the package shipping files in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages and
[17:35] <KB3VGW> file a bug report to ship these in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages instead
[17:35] <quantibility> im still stuck with my issue i wish  to be answered i can't ever take a educated guess
[17:36] <quantibility> ya know the explanation is right there.
[17:36] <KB3VGW> sorry
[17:37] <nicomachus> !paste | KB3VGW
[17:37] <i_and_i> KB3VGW.. why not step over to Python 3 ?
[17:37] <quantibility> nicomachus,
[17:37] <quantibility> so yeah
[17:37] <KB3VGW> 3 is installed
[17:38] <KB3VGW> but the issue is that the pkg is broken the python command is missung
[17:38] <i_and_i> is it working ?
[17:38] <quantibility> i have like a list of option and am too stupid to know which one to choose
[17:38] <skinux> I need help with this error. Trying to connect to MySQL running on VM, error is "lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet' system error 10045
[17:39] <i_and_i> hm .. did you try: python3 yourproject.py
[17:39] <KB3VGW> we need the command python for swift
[17:39] <i_and_i> with a 3 attached
[17:40] <KB3VGW> no they built it with just the python conmmand
[17:40] <i_and_i> hm
[17:40] <KB3VGW> it looks for the command python
[17:40] <i_and_i> ic
[17:40] <Pici> KB3VGW: Does it require python 2.x?
[17:40] <quantibility> im thinking it does
[17:40] <quantibility> dependencies
[17:40] <KB3VGW> yes
[17:41] <KB3VGW> and the 2.7 pkg is broken but you can tell it to use 3.0
[17:41] <Pici> KB3VGW: can you pastebin the full error message you get from installing python 2.7?
[17:41] <KB3VGW> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/clang clang /usr/bin/clang-3.6 100
[17:41] <KB3VGW> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/clang++ clang++
[17:41] <quantibility> well its looking for the simulation link that is designated for the command that is in the main file, which is protected i believe.
[17:42] <quantibility> only way to get to it is to have thew system know its there, try adding the actual link in the folders and files associated.
[17:43] <KB3VGW> http://paste.debian.net/902598/
[17:45] <quantibility> thats a fresh install?
[17:46] <Pici> KB3VGW: did you install things into /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages manually?
[17:47] <quantibility> ??
[17:49] <KB3VGW> this is a fresh 16.04 install maybe I will move to 16.10
[17:52] <gravie314> :)
[17:52] <gravie314> ugh... sorry... i gotta read a channel topic?... sigh...
[17:52] <gravie314> outs!!!
[17:54] <genii> Hm
[18:04] <happydata> should i use --user whenever installing python packages so that i dont mess with anything that has to do with the system python?
[18:04] <Pici> happydata: yes, or use a virtualenv.
[18:05] <happydata> does that include installing pip?
[18:08] <happydata> and when it comes to new python versions, unless i want to try it out immediately, should i just wait until there is an update for the new version?
[18:09] <Pici> happydata: It depends if you mind being a few versions behind pip releases or not.  I used the get-pip.py script to install pip to my home instead of using apt's python-pip package.
[18:10] <Pici> happydata: I'd say wait... but thats mostly because 3.6 hasn't come out yet and I'm not sure what the community's response to it will be.  Also, feel free to check out #python, but note you'll need to be registered and identified to join (see /msg nickserv help register)
[18:15] <happydata> Pici: so python updates just like any other package im assuming?
[18:18] <Pici> happydata: it does, but I guess I may have been a little misleading with my prior comment.  We won't ship a new version of python with the same package name for a version increase... You'll only really see security updates.  When python 3.6 comes out, you won't get upgraded from 3.5 to 3.6... 3.6 would be an entirely new package and also will not be deployed to releases that are already out... there are PPAs
[18:18] <Pici> available for these though.
[18:18] <Pici> Sorry if that was a little confusing.
[18:20] <happydata> Pici: hmm, alright that makes sense. python 3.6 package name would probably be along the lines of "python36" or something like that im guessing?
[18:20] <Pici> happydata: it'll be python3.6, yes.
[18:22] <happydata> Pici: how will the symlink work? would python3 still be linked to 3.5? and if i wanted to use 3.6 id just type "python3.6"
[18:22] <Pici> happydata: Yes.
[18:22] <happydata> Pici: also, side question, how do i get rid of all these join/leave messages?
[18:22] <Pici> !quietwebchat | happydata
[18:23] <happydata> Pici: that's easy haha. thank you for all your help!
[18:32] <riccardo_> Hello
[18:32] <riccardo_> I'm back
[18:32] <riccardo_> Pantheon is very unstable
[18:32] <riccardo_> So I thought it was better to have an Ubuntu configuration
[18:33] <riccardo_> So how do I have a dock instead of the sidebar and the multitasking view?
[18:38] <KB3VGW> ok I just installed 16.10
[18:39] <KB3VGW> and it has 3.5 python installed
[18:39] <KB3VGW> but the python command is missing
[18:39] <KB3VGW> the python 2.7 pkg is broken on 16.10 also
[18:39] <KB3VGW> same error
[18:43] <Pici> KB3VGW: So you installed 16.10 and immediately ran apt-get install python2.7?
[18:43] <zivester> just trying to do a simple apt update/upgrade, anyone ever seen this?
[18:44] <zivester> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:44] <zivester>  apt-utils : Depends: apt (= 1.3.1) but 1.3.2ubuntu0.1 is installed
[18:45] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I'm running fluxbox as my wm but some dialogs are still showing up as gtk3 style. For example, the firefox save dialog. These dialogs cannot be moved or resized, and are stuck partially off screen. Any way to disable gtk3 style dialogs?
[18:49] <skypce> hello all
[18:49] <skypce> i am creating a ubuntu remix with pinguyos builder
[18:50] <skypce> how can i add audio group with pinguyos builder, i need the group will added to user in live and install mode
[18:54] <genii> skypce: That's not so much an Ubuntu support issue as a pinguyos support issue.
[18:54] <skypce> ahh ok
[18:54] <skypce> i will go channel thank you
[19:10] <xxxx> ubuntu 16.04 lts keeps freezing after not long (30 min), every turn on desconfigure keyboard and othr tinny stuff and this is a 2 month, several ubuntus problem
[19:12] <engpy> Does some one know if wifi disconnect issue is solved for ubuntu, when PC goes to sleep?
[19:13] <engpy> because of that I have to boot on win10 since I can't have my pc loose wifi and it requires a relog or restart in order to connect a wifi, it is frustrating :(
[19:13] <engpy> I really need a solution :)
[19:14] <ouroumov_> xxxx, what's your CPU?
[19:15] <ouroumov_> engpy, there's so much wifi issues... A big chunk are not fixed
[19:15] <ouroumov_> engpy, however you don't usually need to restart
[19:15] <ouroumov_> engpy, you can `sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service` in a terminal
[19:16] <ouroumov_> engpy, if that doesn't work modprobe your wifi driver
[19:16] <engpy> I realy don't know what to do, it is clean installed last ver of LTS ubuntu - yeh I need to relog but once I had to restart relog didn't worked somehow. I use that command it doesn't work for me
[19:16] <engpy> I have been looking for solution last 3 weeks now
[19:16] <buh> is there a social ubuntu channel?
[19:17] <buh> for off-topic discussion
[19:17] <ouroumov_> !ot | buh
[19:18] <engpy> I have love for ubuntu I want to start use it as my main OS, but when I close my laptops lid or when pc sleeps wifi goes, and its lkist.. so if I relog I loose everthing that open or running
[19:18] <allard-alfa> Hey, what's up, guys? ^^
[19:19] <engpy> Not much, eating my nails, you? :)
[19:19] <buh> ouroumov: thanks. Should be in the topic IMO
[19:19] <engpy> Tech life is not getting easier, getting harder instead lol
[19:20] <xxxx> ouroumov_: acer 64bits, used to have win7, 500hd 2ram.. anything else?
[19:20] <engpy> 2 ram ?
[19:21] <xxxx> it's low ram but just with youtube, and low Q keeps freezing
[19:21] <Darkchaos> Did someone already see an usb audio device which uses soley 0x0 and 0x1 in it's bulk transfer packets for audio? Never a full byte, it's like discarding the upper 7 bits?
[19:21] <allard-alfa> 2 ram? what about lubuntu/xubuntu?)
[19:21] <allard-alfa> or i3wm
[19:21] <Over9000Rage> hi
[19:22] <eddi> hi!
[19:23] <allard-alfa> hi there
[19:23] <Over9000Rage> xcowsay hi
[19:25] <engpy> I honestly don't think you can run smoothly 64-Bit ubuntu with 2ram :)
[19:26] <Nouyan> hi
[19:29] <kvasirr> Is there a way to open an image in ubuntu mini cli version ?
[19:30] <chachasmooth> if I try to use a command line tool which has not been installed yet, Ubuntu shows a suggestion on how to install it
[19:30] <chachasmooth> how does that mechanism work? i.e. how does ubuntu know to which package the tool belongs?
[19:33] <Pici> chachasmooth: its powered by the command-not-found package, which ships a databse of executable names and the packages they belong to.
[19:33] <Pici> !info command-not-found
[19:33] <chachasmooth> oh :/ I thought there was some cool magic behind it
[19:39] <Pazooza> What is an out of range error on a hidden network when Ubuntu first boots. You can't connect, it's all greyed out, then it connect by itself in it's own good time.
[19:46] <GrandPa-G> I am having permission problems with logrotate. My command is sudo logrotate  --state ./status -v -f caplink-backup.conf
[19:47] <GrandPa-G> I am getting rror: stat of /mnt/data/backup/caplink.sql.gz failed: Permission denied
[19:47] <GrandPa-G> exactly what permissions am I missing and on what. It is a standard backup db and zip the sql result file
[19:57] <babat> ping
[19:57] <nicomachus> !ping
[19:57] <jamesrleimer> hi
[19:58] <babat> what is the codename for ubuntu 17.01
[19:58] <Pici> !17.04
[19:58] <Pici> There is no 17.01
[19:59] <babat> jumping mouse
[19:59] <babat> lol
[19:59] <babat> with systemd
[19:59] <babat> rolf
[19:59] <babat> *rofl
[20:01] <LoRez> does anybody know if Canonical documents how the cloud images are built?
[20:19] <Wicaeed> I've got an NFS server that I'm using as a location for a bunch of DB backups. I was looking at using inotifywait to look for when a file is put on the file share, and then automatically sync that file to AWS S3 when it's completed copying by looking for write close_write events . It seems, however, that inotifywait & NFS (or sshfs/scp) don't really work together well for listening for events from the network. Does anyone know of any other simple way (witho
[20:23] <LordNelthon> does anyone have dual boot with windows? which partition layout do you use (windows partitions before or after)?
[20:23] <pseudonymous> Wicaeed: if the copying is a synchronous operation, you could simply write to another file (call it your lock-file) as an indication of the backup being done and have your server-side scripts monitor that instead
[20:25] <IronSnout> LordNelthon, flag linux partitions as boot then do : grub-install /dev/sda1 . for example
[20:26] <agrok> Hi !
[20:27] <agrok> I ma trying to compile doxygen and get troubles. Is there anyone who can help me ?
[20:28] <pseudonymous> agrok: as a general thing, don't ask to ask. Try to provide all the information required for people to help you instead.. In your case, that means pasting the exact error output paste.ubuntu.com
[20:29] <agrok> cmake -G "Unix Makefiles" ..
[20:29] <agrok> -- The C compiler identification is GNU 5.4.0
[20:29] <agrok> -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU 5.4.0
[20:29] <agrok> -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc
[20:29] <agrok> -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works
[20:29] <agrok> -- Detecting C compiler ABI info
[20:29] <pseudonymous> agrok: pasting directly in the chat is a *big* no-no
[20:30] <agrok> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[20:30] <agrok>   CMakeLists.txt:76 (find_package)
[20:31] <LordNelthon> IronSnout: my question is, if I put the windows first, an windows update may mess with my linux partitions (happened recently) and if I put linux first I don't know if may cause windows problems
[20:31] <agrok> sorry
[20:31] <pseudonymous> agrok: paste your output to paste.ubuntu.com and come back with a link. You cannot paste it directly into the chat
[20:31] <agrok> I am a newbee
[20:31] <agrok> ok ok
[20:31] <pseudonymous> agrok: you learn by screwing up :)
[20:34] <agrok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23639681/
[20:34] <agrok> Here is the error message i get.
[20:36] <merlin__> hello my driver manager did not really works
[20:37] <pseudonymous> agrok: so is there any reason why you're compiling doxygen yourself ? It's already available in the repositories ?
[20:37] <ioria> merlin__, you mean Additional Drivers ?
[20:38] <merlin__> yes
[20:38] <agrok> The version proposed by ubuntu 16.04 is not the last on and I need the last features of it.
[20:38] <ioria> merlin__,  ubuntu-drivers list
[20:39] <pseudonymous> agrok: ok. If you *know* you need the latest features - it's just that you're going to be installing a *lot* of stuff so I'm asking you to think it over
[20:41] <pseudonymous> agrok: I'm not French, so I had to guess a little with your error, but it seems to me it errors out in 'main' saying that it couldn't find 'libiconv'. You're basically missing some libraries required to build doxygen. All debian systems actually allow you to build a package yourself, but as part of that, we can also use apt to install all packages the distro used to compile its version of a package
[20:42] <agrok> I already thinked of it and I am a hundred percent sure I need it.
[20:42] <pseudonymous> agrok: "sudo apt-get build-dep doxygen"  <-- beware, this was what was needed to compile the older version of Doxygen that ubuntu ships. It *could* be that the newer version requires something else.
[20:43] <pseudonymous> agrok: once you have all that installed, try again. But keep in mind, you're going to be installing a *lot* of stuff.
[20:43] <Maiko> Where does "Precise Pangolin" stores the xorg.conf ?
[20:44] <OerHeks> Maiko, normally in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:45] <Maiko> OerHeks: There is no such a file ...
[20:47] <OerHeks> Maiko,  standard ubuntu does not need that anymore, unless you created it yourself, that would the place be
[20:47] <rizonz> more people a good idea about what not to mirror for servers when you want a local mirror ?
[20:47] <rizonz> multivers, univers
[20:48] <OerHeks> rizonz, src unless there is a reason to it
[20:49] <agrok> ok but I had done it before. I download on Gnu website and compile/installed everything
[20:49] <agrok> that's why I'm here.
[20:49] <rizonz> OerHeks: yeah no src, too much and univers multivers should be mirrored ?
[20:49] <rizonz> OerHeks: I hate them being so huge
[20:49] <rizonz> mirror in global
[20:50] <pseudonymous> Maiko: it's a long while since a full X.org config needed to exist. These days X.org mostly detects hardware and gets it right. However, if you need/want to override some aspect, you can create a file in '/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d' . You'll see that these files still use the old X.org config-file syntax
[20:50] <OerHeks> rizonz, that is up to you, if you want a real offline mirror, i would add them
[20:51] <rizonz> OerHeks: yeah true, but are there really packages used for servers ?
[20:51] <A_C_M> Hello, got a raid1 with 2 hdds on it. it has nothing to do. the raid is clean, and iotop shows absolutly no read/write for either hdd. the os is installed on another hdd ssd. How else can I check for hdd's activity ?
[20:52] <pseudonymous> agrok: installing doxygen is not the same as having the software required to compile it - That's why I'm telling you to run 'sudo apt-get build-dep doxygen'.   Distributions like Ubuntu split software up such that files only needed for compilation are put in separate packages (ending in '-dev').. That's why your compile failed, you were missing some libraries required for compilation
[20:52] <agrok> ok thanks
[20:52] <A_C_M> P.S, I've asked that question because the hdds are doing alot of activity noise :/
[20:55] <Maiko> How do i switch between open Programms/Windows using the keyboard ?
[20:55] <nullbyte_> u bu u ntu
[20:56] <nicomachus> Maiko: should be Alt+Tab
[20:56] <minimec> Maiko: <alt><tab>?
[20:56] <pseudonymous> Maiko: generally, Alt-Tab ? From unity - search for 'Text Entry' and click 'Keyboard Settings...' in the bottom to see (& configure) the standard keyboard shortcuts
[20:57] <LordNelthon> how to flag a partition as boot in gdisk, in my case the efi one?
[20:58] <Maiko> nvm, i am uninstalling straight again... , there is no Keyboardsettings in the Dash Window...
[20:58] <nicomachus> Maiko: you can also hold down your windows key and see all the standard keyboard shortcuts
[21:00] <pseudonymous> Maiko: eeeeaaaasy. Wait a minute. Do you see a language indicator in the top-right corner of your screen ? E.g. for english users it would say "EN", for German users, "DE".. ?
[21:02] <A_C_M> anyone on the "what is causing my hdds in raid to "work" even though nothing is showing in /proc/mdstat and dstat ?
[21:05] <MonkeyDust> A_C_M  better hit the up arrow to repeat your initial question every 10-15 minutes
[21:06] <kk4ewt> A_C_M, software raid or hardware
[21:06] <Parzival> server irc.virtualife.com.br -j #java
[21:06] <A_C_M> kk4ewt: it is software mdadm
[21:09] <jon___> Parzival - from Ready Player One?
[21:10] <nicomachus> jon___: what?
[21:11] <jon___> IRC handle Parzival...protagonist from Ready Player One.
[21:12] <A_C_M> Here is goes again: got a raid1 with 2 hdds on it. it has nothing to do. the raid is clean, and iotop shows absolutly no read/write for either hdd. the os is installed on another hdd ssd. But the hdds are making sounds just like when I copy stuff from/to them. How else can I check for hdd's activity ?
[21:13] <A_C_M> I'm using a software raid1, mdadm.
[21:14] <jon___> A_C_M - install iotop. See block device activity
[21:14] <bekks> A_C_M: Why are you concerned about that?
[21:15] <KB3VGW> back
[21:15] <KB3VGW> sorry
[21:15] <KB3VGW> ok fresh install on 16.10 and python 2.7 still wont install
[21:15] <A_C_M> jon___: allready did that :); bekks: cause it's not right. since the drives are not doing anything at all, no raid check, no sync, no read or write. it bugs me to understand what they are doing. and ofc they are not sleeping after 20mins :)
[21:16] <KB3VGW> and python3 is inot installing the python link
[21:16] <KB3VGW> it sets up puthon3 but no python
[21:16] <KB3VGW> link
[21:16] <jon___> A_C_M - and what did iotop show? activity or no?
[21:16] <bekks> A_C_M: Why isnt it "right"? Do you know in detail how mdadm works, how and when disk activity is triggered, even for metadata?
[21:17] <bekks> A_C_M: Putting disks to sleep and waking them up again, regularly, will shorten their lifetime dramatically.
[21:18] <A_C_M> jon___: only shows activity on the ssd jbd2/nvme0n1p5- ; bekks: I'm waking them up 2-4 times per week. It is just like powering up and down the desktop.
[21:19] <bekks> A_C_M: So just power them down/up ;)
[21:19] <jon___> i don't get the problem. raid isn't doing anything (as you said) and iotop shows no activity. so whats the problem?
[21:20] <bekks> A_C_M: a raid array does quite a lot of background activity, like checking blocks, writing down metadata and stuff.
[21:20] <A_C_M> bekks: well, isn't that what hdparm is for ? jon___ : hdds are working like they got stuff to do, but they dont. dstat shows no read/write on any of the hdds in the raid
[21:20] <pseudonymous> jon___: Not an expert. But iotop will show you user-processes which generates IO activity. Your filesystems can still generate activity, so can software raid (repositioning data, replication etc) and so can things like LVM
[21:21] <A_C_M> pseudonymous: yep, that's what dstat is for :)
[21:21] <jon___> is that so? huh. well, today i learned :) okay, in that case, i'm not qualified to comment. sorry! :D
[21:22] <bekks> A_C_M: hdparm does totally different things thanexecuting background tasks of a raid array.
[21:23] <pseudonymous> A_C_M: ooooh, shiny ! dstat looks like something I've been missing a long time
[21:24] <A_C_M> bekks: exactly, it puts the drives to sleep if no activity is on them for 20mins, like I set the conf. dstat -D sda and dstat -D sdb is showing no read and no write activity on the hdds. mdadm --detail shows the raid is clean, and has no activity
[21:24] <jon___> uh, this LFS compile is taking ages. perhaps i should cook dinner.
[21:25] <bekks> A_C_M: you'd need to trace the entire data on the bus to find that real few data thats causing the disk activity - image how tricky it would be to find just one kilobyte of data, and how fast it will be gone.
[21:27] <A_C_M> bekks: think of this, when you are watching a 12gb 1080p movie, the drive spins every couple of seconds, like 5-10-15secs. you barely hear it. and you are doing 36Mbps; but how can the hdds generate "noise" activity just like you are doing copy max speed MB/s lets say 50MB/s ?
[21:28] <bekks> A_C_M: Do you realize that the "noise" does not correlate to the "speed" of data?
[21:28] <bekks> It only correlates to the read-write head movement.
[21:28] <A_C_M> exactly
[21:28] <A_C_M> so if no read/write data is showing in dstat, what is making that noise ? :)
[21:28] <bekks> Exactly. So even a few kilobyte will cause the same noise.
[21:29] <A_C_M> dstat shows not even 1bit of data
[21:29] <A_C_M> and trust me, dstat is very specific
[21:30] <plytro> A_C_M: is dstat sampling in small enough time slices to catch these things?
[21:30] <plytro> A_C_M: what flags get passed to dstat to show data movement in bits not btyes?
[21:30] <plytro> I've not found that flag
[21:32] <bekks> A_C_M: From what I can read in the man page for dstat, dstat is not better/worse than all those other tools like vmstat, sar, etc.
[21:32] <bekks> A_C_M: And couldnt find any hints on the sampling size, too.
[21:33] <prnjoa> Can someone hellp me?  After update cannot connect to wifi
[21:33] <_AxS_> hey all -- if i've installed something by hand because there's no .deb that's new/compatible enough, but apt says there's something that still requres a package be installed, how do i tell apt that it's already there ?
[21:34] <bekks> _AxS_: Which Ubuntu are you using, what did you install how, and whats the very exact error message you get when doing what exactly?
[21:35] <A_C_M> plytro: 0.7.3 has a --bits flag :)
[21:35] <_AxS_> bekks: its 14.04 , the package is ruby-treetop, the software itself was installed directly with rubygems instead of apt, and now I want apt to assume ruby-treetop is installed instead of thinking it needs to be installed.
[21:35] <helohello> ubuntu 16.04, I installed the amdgpu-pro drivers and they don't seem to be agreeing with my system. when I ran amdgpu-uninstall and rebooted I just got a black screen. So I reinstalled them. How do I revert to the orginal Radeon drivers that came with the install
[21:36] <bekks> A_C_M: And whats the sampling size that flag works on?
[21:36] <_AxS_> bekks: the error is:  E: Unmet dependencies. (with opennebula : Depends: ruby-treetop but it is not going to be installed ).  this shows up if i try and apt-get *anything*
[21:38] <bekks> !info ruby-treetop
[21:39] <_AxS_> bekks: i had to install by hand via 'gems' (or rather, an opennebula script did) because that particular version has a bug.  the whole situation is a bit of a mess though.  I just want to be able to leave it alone since it's working, but still use apt to install entirely unrelated stuff.
[21:42] <_AxS_> My usual distro (gentoo) has a lovely config file 'packages.provided' where I can specify packages that the package manager will assume are actually installed.  I'm sure apt has a similar workaround.
[21:42] <jon___> keep meaning to try gentoo.
[21:42] <A_C_M> bekks: I guess 1 bit
[21:43] <bekks> A_C_M: that would mean you'd be using a sampling frequency of several gigahertz, which is quite unlikely.
[21:43] <ppf> _AxS_: most of the time that means you've installed a conflicting version of something from a ppa
[21:44] <_AxS_> ppf: yep.
[21:44] <A_C_M> bekks: sorry, i mean every second
[21:44] <Guy1524> gentoo is awful from what I heard
[21:44] <ppf> _AxS_: then ... that's the problem ;)
[21:44] <Guy1524> you can't get work done w/o waiting for your computer to compile stuff
[21:44] <_AxS_> Guy1524: it's a meta-distro.  works on a different plane from gentoo.
[21:44] <jon___> depends what you want. ive heard nothing but good things from gentoo
[21:44] <A_C_M> bekks: but what are the chanches of me not reading one of those bit/bits you are presuming, in a 10 minute period ? :)
[21:45] <bekks> A_C_M: the sampling frequency.
[21:45] <_AxS_> ppf: right.  But i want to work around it, because it'd be easier to wipe and install centos on this box than it'll be to get opennebula to work properly via apt.
[21:45] <ppf> then why not install centos?
[21:46] <_AxS_> ppf: because it's not my box yet.
[21:46] <ppf> if you think that's easier
[21:46] <_AxS_> i'm just tasked with getting ipmi readings, but at the moment apt won't install anything at all.
[21:46] <rangemonger> gentoo seems great if you dont care for a life outside of your operating system
[21:46] <jon___> redhat/centos for servers, debian/ubuntu/mint for desktops :D
[21:46] <ppf> _AxS_: yes, because you installed something weird from a ppa
[21:47] <ppf> get rid of that and apt will go back to normal
[21:47] <_AxS_> rangemonger: nah its not that bad.  but you do wait a while for installs to happen.  fortunately you don't have to sit and watch it
[21:47] <_AxS_> ppf: also, not an option.
[21:47] <jon___> i'm up for a bit of gentoo. going to throw it on a vm one day
[21:48] <ppf> so you're complaining that something is not working but you're also refusing to fix it? ;)
[21:48] <rangemonger> heh
[21:48] <ppf> that's not gonna end well
[21:48] <_AxS_> ppf: yes.  i want to know how to work around it, not how to address it.
[21:48] <bekks> Maybe its just a lovely looking breakage? :P
[21:49] <ppf> _AxS_: then spill some more details
[21:49] <ppf> but, general advice: if people are criticising your problemstatement, it's usually a good idea to think about the problem some more and find the _real_ problem you're trying to fix
[21:49] <_AxS_> sure.  All i want to do is apt-get install ipmitool ; right now, opennebula has that conflict I mentioned and so it's blocking apt-get from doing anything (dep resolution in general i expect is throwing the error)
[21:50] <_AxS_> Oh I know this problem is a problem and it needs to be addressed.  but I don't have time to address it right now, and it will be messy to do so.
[21:50] <_AxS_> ..and addressing it properly -should- involve a wipe.  Ubuntu 14.04 desktop really shouldn't be sitting on a server...
[21:51] <ppf> why not
[21:51] <_AxS_> 1) its old, 2) its got a bunch of desktop software that has no use on said box..  i'm sure i can find other reasons
[21:52] <ppf> it's an lts, so age doesn't matter so much. just remove the desktop things you don't like
[21:53] <_AxS_> ppf: well it does when i need a (for instance) newer ruby version than is supported on said LTS..
[21:53] <ppf> now regarding your opennebula issue, i'm assuming it's opennebula that pulls in the conflicting version?
[21:53] <ppf> i don't actually think there is a workaround for this, if opennebula ships broken packages
[21:54] <_AxS_> ..and there's nothing short of hacking the state file to make apt work around broken/missing deps?
[21:54] <ppf> !info ruby trusty
[21:54] <ppf> !info ruby-2 trusty
[21:54] <ppf> !info ruby-2.* trusty
[21:55] <ppf> !search ruby-2.* trusty
[21:55] <ppf> helpful, ubottu
[21:55] <bazhang>  msg the bot please ppf
[21:55] <ppf> _AxS_: 'hacking the state file' is probably going to render your os dead
[21:55] <ppf> why not just do this right?
[21:55] <_AxS_> yeah. not something i'm interested in doing either.
[21:56] <_AxS_> I supose I could use dpkg to install the necessary package i want for now...
[21:56] <ppf> no you can't
[21:56] <ppf> apt isn't magically broken
[21:57] <ppf> through your ppa you've installed version A of something, and whatever you're trying to install right now expects version B
[21:57] <ppf> there is no way to do this
[21:58] <ppf> maybe the easiest thing would be to wipe the broken ppa, install whatever packages you need, and install ruby from source
[21:59] <OerHeks> "ruby-treetop installed directly with rubygems instead of apt" not sure how to fix that
[22:00] <ppf> OerHeks: that's a red herring
[22:00] <brainspoil> rvm?
[22:00] <ppf> he doesn't provide a lot of info, but i'm guessing he's installed a recent ruby from a ppa, and other things he's installing now depend on the stock ruby
[22:00] <_AxS_> OerHeks: ppf's right, the issue is the opennebula package depending on ruby-treetop (and yet actually needing the workaround installed via rubygems).
[22:01] <ppf> gems and apt are orthogonal
[22:01] <ppf> they don't care about each other
[22:01] <_AxS_> regardless, feeding the packages i need to dpkg directly got me to where I need to be for now.
[22:02] <OerHeks> indeed, so logically uninstall with gem and use apt
[22:02] <ppf> OerHeks: he doesn't tell us what the actual problem is, so we're just guessing
[22:02] <OerHeks> not sure why gem would not give the latest version
[22:03] <_AxS_> OerHeks: gem does, apt doesn't (or rather, doesnt give one new enough) since its 14.04lts
[22:03] <_AxS_> regardless, its not my job to fix opennebula right now.  and dpkg let me install ipmitool so i'm good.  Thanks all!
[22:03] <brainspoil> https://rvm.io/rvm/install   OerHeks ppf  hallo?
[22:04] <ppf> brainspoil: yes?
[22:04] <brainspoil> maybe try rvm for installing  srry wasn't paying full attention to the convo but I used it before for ruby versioning on a single machine etc
[22:06] <ppf> ah
[22:32] <azure> hi
[22:32] <ppf> hi
[22:33] <Guest11736> hello
[22:33] <Guest11736> joi
[22:33] <Guest11736> jds
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[22:33] <Guest11736> sd
[22:34] <zune> hey guys anyone that has any knowlegde about HP Z820 Workstations?
[22:35] <bekks> zune: Maybe just ask your Ubuntu related question instead ;)
[22:37] <zune> its kind of hardware related, but I don't know where to ask, and my google foo hasen't gotten me anywhere
[22:38] <brainspoil> try bar instead ? LOL
[22:38] <bekks> zune: Maybe just ask your Ubuntu related question instead, finally.
[22:39] <bekks> zune: In case someone knows, you'll get an answer.
[22:39] <zune> I have gotten my fingers in a Z820 system that is a Engeneering sample, containing Intel ES cpu's and I'm afraid if I upgrade bios to current then the support for ES cpus is gone, But now I can't install a Nvidia Quadro M4000 and I don't know why
[22:40] <bekks> zune: Why cant you install it? Does it physically fit?
[22:41] <zune> brainspoil what is bar?
[22:42] <zune> the card is fitting it is a pci-e 3 x16 card,
[22:42] <bekks> zune: So whats the actual problem then?
[22:42] <zune> but the system will not show any display so I think that the bios doesent support the gpu
[22:43] <bekks> zune: I'd take into account the card is broken, or you just forgot to switch primary display in the bios.
[22:45] <zune> The Card is brand new and has been tested in another machine, and the machine runs with another what ever crappy gpu
[22:47] <nemesis> español?
[22:47] <ppf> !es | nemesis
[22:57] <Bashing-om> zune: What release do you have installed and what is the card ? Be aware that newer drivers for newer Nvidia cards are not in 14.04's kernel .
[23:05] <erdogan> greetings from turkery
[23:05] <erdogan> turkey*
[23:06] <Crell> Hi folks. I'm having an odd issue with the Startup Disk Creator. I'm on 16.04, and want to make a USB key for 16.10.  As soon as I start the program, it immediately pre-selects the USB key I have plugged in and somehow finds the ISO I downloaded, and gives me an empty dialog for "Installing", with no content except a progress bar.  It never goes beyond that, and my USB key's access light never comes on.  If I try to cancel the dialog, the
[23:06] <Crell> whole program exits. What's wrong here?
[23:07] <erdogan> I can't reach the CD-ROM In ubuntu. i'm using ide connection and i can see in boot menu and bios. What's wrong with ubuntu
[23:07] <erdogan> ?
[23:07] <erdogan> I can't reach the CD-ROM In ubuntu. i'm using ide connection and i can see in boot menu and bios. What's wrong with ubuntu ?
[23:07] <rommel> erdogan, reach it how?
[23:08] <erdogan> i can't see and i can't use it
[23:08] <bekks> Where/how do you look then?
[23:08] <rommel> Crell, can you start that program form a terminal and see the output
[23:08] <erdogan> who did you answered, bekks ?
[23:08] <rommel> you
[23:09] <rommel> erdogan, how did you install ubuntu
[23:09] <rommel> usb or cdrom
[23:09] <erdogan> usb
[23:09] <FireSword> rommel, shouldn't you be down trying to conquer egypt?
[23:09] <erdogan> my harddisk is sata, my cd rom is ide
[23:09] <erdogan> i install it witch usb
[23:09] <erdogan> with
[23:10] <Guy1524> so I just went on my windows 8.1 partition for the first time in months because my friend wanted me to play a game w/ him, and when I rebooted and logged back in on ubuntu, the GPU showed undefined mater as always, and there was a screenshot from my windows run
[23:10] <rommel> erdogan, lspci does not show the device
[23:10] <rommel> ?
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller (rev 03)
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
[23:10] <erdogan> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
[23:11] <bekks> In case its usb, lspci will not show it.
[23:11] <rommel> erdogan, use pastbin for things like that and my guess is you need the ide component of your chipset loaded from the kernel
[23:12] <Crell> rommel: "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/usbcreator/backends/udisks/backend.py:4: PyGIWarning: UDisks was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('UDisks', '2.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded from gi.repository import Gio, GLib, UDisks \n KSambaShare: Could not find smb.conf!"
[23:12] <rommel> erdogan, this is asuming the ide and device are working as they should
[23:13] <linuxuser9> Crell: try gnome-multi-writer
[23:14] <Crell> linuxuser9: I'm using KDE; not sure if that matters.
[23:14] <erdogan> rommel could you came to private chat
[23:14] <linuxuser9> its in the repo
[23:15] <erdogan> how can i have ide component of my chipset ?
[23:16] <Gustorn> Hello, is it okay to ask questions in this channel?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> Gustorn: Questions about the oprations of ubuntu, yes .
[23:18] <Gustorn> Okay thanks, One of my friends told me it is possible to install the new Ubuntu 16.10 on my Iphone 7 I tried searching on the wiki about this but I can't find anything
[23:19] <Gustorn> Does anybody in this chat have ubuntu on his iphone?
[23:19] <morf> not really
[23:19] <bekks> Gustorn: No.
[23:19] <erdogan> i guess ios is better
[23:19] <morf> your friend is full of you know what
[23:19] <Gustorn> Iphone 7*
[23:20] <Gustorn> not the older versions
[23:20] <bekks> Gustorn: your "friend" fooled you.
[23:20] <Gustorn> Fooled me? No man we are really good friends for ages but I just talked about it in my jaguar car
[23:21] <bekks> Gustorn: I dont car about your social relationship to him, but he just told you nonsense.
[23:21] <Gustorn> I looked it up on youtube and google it clearly is possible to install linux on those devices man
[23:22] <Gustorn> just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true
[23:22] <bekks> Gustorn: It isnt possible, technally.
[23:22] <bekks> *technically.
[23:22] <fares2017>  المطيري
[23:22] <Gustorn> Yeah that's why I came here looking for ubuntu guru's
[23:22] <bekks> Gustorn: Even gurus cant make it possible.
[23:22] <Gustorn> Ubuntu always had such a nice community
[23:22] <morf> not sure if stupid or trolling
[23:22] <fares2017> تهخ
[23:22] <Gustorn> For wanting Ubuntu on my Iphone
[23:22] <fares2017> سلام
[23:23] <Gustorn> Look the disto doesn't even matter I just don't want IOS on my devices
[23:23] <fares2017> هتم
[23:23] <fares2017> مح
[23:23] <fares2017> م
[23:23] <fares2017> مم
[23:23] <fares2017> سلام
[23:23] <bekks> Gustorn: It didoesnt matter. There is no way to use Ubuntu on your iPhone.
[23:23] <Gustorn> all of my laptops and PC have Ubuntu why can't my phone?
[23:23] <bekks> *doesnt
[23:23] <morf> fares2017: calm your tits, thanks
[23:23] <fares2017> اتهت
[23:23] <Gustorn> I actually first asked the arch community but they just banned me straight away :/
[23:23] <fares2017> مم
[23:24] <Gustorn> Is there a way  to request a feature in the upcomming release of ubuntu?
[23:24] <bekks> Gustorn: No.
[23:25] <Gustorn> Is it possible ubuntu will release an ISO for my iphone?
[23:25] <nacc> why would you be an iphone if you don't want ios on it... trolling 100%
[23:25] <nacc> *buy an iphone
[23:25] <Gustorn> I got it from my company
[23:25] <fares2017_> sghl ugd;l
[23:26] <fares2017_> سلام عليكم
[23:26] <Gustorn> Apple supports them so I can't get android
[23:26] <bekks> Gustorn: Can you please stop trolling, thank you.
[23:26] <Gustorn> I don't understand wants wrong with having ubuntu on my iphone
[23:26] <Gustorn> I looked it up on youtube it is possible!
[23:26] <squinty> !farsi | fares2017
[23:26] <bekks> *plonk*
[23:27] <Gustorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFmNG2k5ENw
[23:27] <jon___> gustorn: nobody cares, man. the general consensus is that it isn't possible. if you insist otherwise, good for you.
[23:28] <Gustorn> Look I don't think you guys understand ios is of linux, I just want to use another distro
[23:28] <Gustorn> linux kernel *
[23:29] <jon___> no it isn't.
[23:29] <Gustorn> Yes it is
[23:29] <Gustorn> Unix
[23:29] <jon___> unix isn't linux. linux isn't unix. technically.
[23:30] <akik> ++
[23:30] <akik> sorry
[23:30] <Gustorn> linux is the copied version of richard stallman his unix
[23:30] <Gustorn> it's the same
[23:30] <Rochvellon> Gustorn: you need a jail breaked iDevices and iDevices are not supported by Ubuntu or another Linux-Distro
[23:30] <jon___> if you say so buddy.
[23:30] <Gustorn> None of the distro's?
[23:30] <Gustorn> Even kali?
[23:31] <akik> Gustorn: please stop the trolling. it's not possible
[23:31] <jon___> kali is based on debian linux. what's your point?
[23:31] <Gustorn> akik: just because you can't do it doesn't mean it is not possible :)
[23:32] <bekks> Gustorn: Technically, it isnt possible. And now please stop trolling.
[23:32] <bazhang> Gustorn, there are completely unsupported ways to get ubuntu based on you r iPhone, but that is not topicl here
[23:32] <Gustorn> I thought this was the ubuntu support IRC
[23:32] <bazhang> Gustorn, it is
[23:32] <jon___> it is. and ubuntu on idevices isn't supported. the end.
[23:32] <bazhang> Gustorn, the method I mention is ubuntu-based, not ubuntu
[23:32] <Gustorn> You are telling me this isn't possible but people on youtube have done it
[23:33] <bekks> Gustorn: So go ask your youtubers then.
[23:33] <jon___> so do it, if youtube tells you so. have at it.
[23:33] <Gustorn> I thought they asked it here...
[23:33] <bazhang> Gustorn, I am telling you again it is ubuntu based, and not topical here nor supported
[23:34] <Gustorn> Fine ill ask the helpfull people over at XUbuntu I don't care anyware ubuntu is a shit distro filled with spyware
[23:34] <bazhang> Gustorn, so please stop asking here as we do not support ubuntu based
[23:34] <jon___> finally.
[23:45] <Crell> linuxuser9: MultiWriter isn't working either. I start it, and it runs for several minutes (long enough that I move on to something else in the background) and then dings, reporting "Device or resource busy."
[23:49] <Goeland86> hi, question about systemd: how can I modify the configuration so that sshd starts regardless of whether ethernet is up or not?
[23:49] <Goeland86> (ethernet or wifi, really, beaglebone black also has USB-ethernet link but systemd doesn't count it as an interface for the networking service)
[23:50] <UserUS> How does one turn on promiscuous mode in ubuntu 16.04?
[23:51] <i_and_i> gustorn what you mean by ubuntu is filled with spyware ?
[23:52] <bazhang> i_and_i, he is gone
[23:52] <jon___> i_and_i - he's been kicked.
[23:52] <i_and_i> ah he was banned
[23:52] <i_and_i> yes
[23:52] <i_and_i> i wonder what he meant
[23:52] <jon___> spyware probably just means the amazon shopping lens. big whoop.
[23:52] <i_and_i> ahh lol
[23:52] <morf> UserUS: "ifconfig [adapter] promisc" then "ifconfig [adapter] -promisc"
[23:52] <Goeland86> UserUS, that sounds like a risque proposition ;)
[23:52] <i_and_i> he can turn it off
[23:53] <UserUS> Goleand86: Lul
[23:53] <Ben64> it's already off by default. that whole thing was a mountain made out of a molehill
[23:53] <i_and_i> hehe
[23:53] <jon___> indeed
[23:53] <Crell> linuxuser9, rommel: Any other ideas?  I'm still not able to make a startup disk.
[23:53] <i_and_i> maybe he prefer Windows :))
[23:53] <erdogan> hi
[23:54] <i_and_i> hello president Erdogan
[23:54] <Ben64> Crell: i haven't kept up with what you're doing, but try dd'ing the ubuntu iso direct to the usb (it will erase everything on it)
[23:54] <UserUS> morf: worked but the program wont run it in it for some reason
[23:55] <jon___> make sure you get your if/of parameters *very* correct. dd will kill you dead if mishandled.
[23:55] <i_and_i> what is promiscuous mode ?
[23:55] <i_and_i> is that for watching porn ?
[23:55] <UserUS> the wireless card will see other network packets
[23:55] <UserUS> but not interact
[23:55] <jon___> promisc mode in wifi allows you to capture all network packets
[23:55] <i_and_i> ah
[23:56] <i_and_i> what was i thinkin..
[23:56] <UserUS> if you sniff it yeah
[23:56] <jon___> good for hacking wifi
[23:56] <morf> jon___: it's not just wifi
[23:56] <UserUS> im trying to get it to work within a script that uses airodump-ng
[23:56] <jon___> well, that's all i use it for :)
[23:56] <UserUS> but it won't work
[23:56] <UserUS> it works on a wireless adapter if I plug it in but not the machines wireless card
[23:56] <morf> well some wifi drivers can't do promiscuous mode actually
[23:57] <morf> i had one of those
[23:57] <jon___> what morf said. sometimes it not supported
[23:57] <UserUS> it works in kali linux
[23:57] <jon___> with same hardware?
[23:57] <UserUS> yes
[23:57] <UserUS> but won't work on the ubuntu I have installed
[23:58] <UserUS> i tried using airodump manually and it does the same thing
[23:58] <UserUS> no networks show up
[23:58] <UserUS> well ap points
[23:58] <morf> UserUS: anything in syslog when you switching the mode?
[23:58] <UserUS> where can I check
[23:58] <morf> oh my...
[23:58] <morf> /var/log/syslog
[23:58] <UserUS> I havent done it in a while
[23:58] <UserUS> ok
[23:59] <jon___> dmesg
[23:59] <Crell> Ben64: I'm trying to create a Kubuntu 16.10 install USB key.  Startup Disk Creator locks up (console output is complaining about Samba for some reason), and Gnome's MultiWriter locks up differently. :-)
[23:59] <Crell> Ben64: I use dd about once every3 years...  Any quick instructions available to not screw it up?
[23:59] <Jordan_U> Crell: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg".