[05:39] morning za peeps [05:57] G'morning Kilos how are things with you this morning? [06:06] hi Langjan im ok ty and you? [06:06] had a couple of tough days but today is better [06:09] Sorry to learn about tough days,I was wondering about you. We are fine thanks [06:09] nothing broken?? [06:09] Headaches? [06:09] oh my [06:09] yes and tight chest but today is lekker [06:10] might be the new meds i gotta get used to [06:10] Yes meds are always a compromise [06:10] wish it was the 16th jan already so i can try get them to do what they must so i can stop meds [06:11] What must happen 16 Jan? [06:11] op? [06:11] i go for next appointment and hopefully get booked in at steve biko for bypasses [06:12] OK strongs for that [06:12] hope things work well for you [06:12] hopefully they will accept i only want stents put in via the angio route [06:12] i dont want chest cut open [06:13] Well they will know whats best for your circumstances, if its got to be done, do the best you can [06:13] i will ty for the concern [06:13] Whats news from your girls? [06:13] ai! [06:13] too painful being apart [06:14] sorry I brught it up [06:14] skype call daily and chat lots on telegram [06:14] being apart is painful man not talking about it [06:14] good and is Debs coping with the AS? [06:15] she is a very tough chick and keeps on regardless of pain [06:16] only when she over does things and breaks an area thats just newly grown together then she has bad flareups otherwise she manages [06:16] evil disease that [06:17] nearly whole spine has growths from joint to joint [06:17] Yes its not pleasant, eish! And how is Tara's business going? [06:17] Sorry gotta go have breakfast, chat later [06:17] she is busy now with all the arwork for peeps for christmas [06:17] enjoy [06:20] Morning everyone [06:20] hi paddatrapper === Kilos is now known as is === is is now known as Kilos [06:21] inetpro is jy terug [06:21] ?? [06:21] im sure he went away for the holiday so might only be back after weekend [06:22] Does anyne have any experience with LXC on Debian? I can't get unpriviledged containers working - unshare: Operation not permitted [06:23] kick fly outa bed [06:23] he the debian man [06:38] G'morning paddatrapper [06:39] Kilos, you there young man? [06:40] im here Langjan [06:41] I'm still battling with videos [06:41] ai! [06:42] oh those online ones [06:42] Tried Juanita's system works fine then checked, she has gstreamer [06:42] there is lots of gstreamer stuff for 16.04 [06:43] when I tried to install gstreamer errors showed graphics prob g [06:43] open synaptic and type in gstreamer and choose the one you need [06:43] so I installed Intel graphics update app [06:43] ok [06:43] additional drivers [06:44] Yes, but now I have broken packages again [06:44] ai! [06:44] synaptic edit fix broken [06:44] Trying to load gstreamer via Synaptic gets error: [06:44] broken package are bad downloads [06:44] W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) [06:44] what does synaptic say [06:45] ai! [06:45] Unable to fix [06:45] Perhaps I have wrong software repos marked [06:45] then find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [06:45] and delete it [06:45] im using neology [06:46] then do a reload in synaptic [06:46] i use synaptic to choose repos and everything [06:46] never use update manager [06:46] Plse bear with me [06:46] of course [06:47] find which package? [06:47] that broken one [06:47] lemme see your link [06:48] I know but where do I see it? [06:48] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [06:49] go to /var/cache/apt/archives/ [06:49] try first [06:49] sudo dpkg --configure -a [06:50] let me just go open irc on desktop so ian can use my lappy for teamviewer [06:50] ok [06:51] ok i go there now [06:51] me with a tail [06:53] Langjan here peeps can see if i guide you wrong and jump in [06:54] here toppie Langjan [06:54] Ok [06:55] ok [06:55] where were we [06:55] find package [06:55] I gave you output [06:55] do you know the broken package [06:56] give again please [06:57] its there on lappy and im here in my room on desktop [06:57] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [06:57] sorry for the inconvenience [06:57] nono [06:57] does that help? [06:57] and here i have a squirrel to fight with as well\ [06:57] hehe [06:57] lmga! [06:58] Morning Langjan [06:58] it gets agro when i type and dont pay attention to it [06:58] haha [06:58] Hi paddatrapper Its a girl then [06:58] must be [06:59] Long error output after your dpkg command [06:59] give that output in pm place so we dont spam here [06:59] ok [06:59] or post it [06:59] to [07:00] https://bin.snyman.info [07:01] done both [07:02] i forgot hot to see root folders on unity [07:02] how [07:03] tery and apt update [07:03] try [07:03] ok [07:04] then run sudo synaptic reinstall nginx nginx-core [07:04] ai! [07:04] nono [07:04] sudo aptitude reinstall nginx nginx-core [07:05] i dont even know what nginx does but if it complains its not installed then we try keep it happy [07:05] running [07:06] wish you were on trouble free kde [07:06] E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx-core:i386 [07:06] hehe [07:06] then maybe just nginx will do [07:06] should install automagically [07:07] sudo aptitude reinstall nginx [07:07] yes [07:08] E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx:i386 [07:08] ai! [07:08] sudo apt upgrade [07:09] let me get some bread for this squirrel so it can eat and leave my hands alone [07:11] check stickynotes [07:13] and pm [07:15] ok [07:15] hmm... [07:15] lets try another route [07:16] ok [07:16] do you remember how to show hidden files on unity [07:16] thks [07:16] yes [07:16] ok [07:16] find /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:17] dont see it is it in one of the folders? [07:17] you have to go into root folders [07:18] hmm... [07:18] kde gives the root option easily [07:18] which are root folders? [07:18] etc and var and usr and lots more [07:18] lets go in with terminal [07:19] cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:19] then type in ls [07:19] how do I copy and p from here? [07:20] with your mouse [07:20] hehe [07:20] are you in archives? [07:21] yes [07:21] does ls show lots [07:21] yes [07:21] scroll to see if nginx is there [07:22] no [07:22] hmm... [07:22] morning all [07:22] ok type in cd [07:23] you should be at standard prompt again [07:23] hmm Kilos- Langjan, nginx is a web server... to you plan to host websites on your PC? [07:23] yes [07:23] chesedo please help here [07:23] hi chesedo [07:24] Kilos-: where is that bin output? [07:24] i dont see unity in front of me so sukkeling some [07:24] np [07:24] no website hosting planned [07:24] langjan give that bin link [07:25] did you tell it to give you the link [07:25] Kilos-: how much do I have to read ^above^ to know what is going on so far? [07:25] bin link? [07:26] Kilos-, I put some error outputs in stickynotes and pm [07:26] where you posted that info to pastebin [07:26] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwippZPB2frQAhWT0RoKHSUVAN8QFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D947124&usg=AFQjCNGNL3DZeSfmeVO0bZ1PZQGye7ucfw [07:26] see if there is a way to fix you broken packages there [07:26] i see a solved link [07:27] Langjan: the stickynote link? [07:27] i run to toilet quick wbb [07:28] Sorry not sure what link Kilos- wants [07:28] running those broken package fix commands at the mo [07:28] Langjan: there output error link [07:32] Plse see stickynotes [07:33] you need to give the link for sticynotes Langjan [07:34] Sorry: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmgfpp5 [07:34] tick the submit button and then copy passte the url you get at the top [07:34] aha [07:35] And https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295 [07:37] nd latest: https://bin.snyman.info/mmm2wcn4 [07:37] type y and enter [07:38] where? [07:38] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295 end of that [07:39] Oh that was done [07:39] i dont understand the reason why it keeps harping about nginx [07:39] Kilos-: end of that continous on next one... [07:40] chesedo you go ahead please if you have time [07:40] lets remove nginx as you will not need it [07:40] makes sense [07:40] Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*` [07:40] ok [07:41] running [07:42] after that type 'sudo systemctl status nginx` ... this should report that nignx is missing/not there (aka service is removed) [07:42] Done except for: dpkg: warning: while removing nginx-common, directory '/var/www/html' not empty so not removed [07:42] [07:42] Langjan: ok, output of `ls -la /var/www/html/` [07:44] total 12 [07:44] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 6 16:56 . [07:44] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec 6 16:35 .. [07:44] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 612 Dec 6 16:56 index.nginx-debian.html [07:45] Langjan: ok that seems like the default for nginx, so we can remove it with `sudo rm -R /var/www/html` [07:46] based on those dates it seems like you installed nginx on the 6th... [07:46] ok chesedo I ran that command and just got prompt again, is that right? [07:47] Langjan: yes [07:47] Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*` again [07:47] ok [07:47] too clever these young ones [07:48] ok done [07:48] then 'sudo systemctl status nginx` again [07:48] Yes they grew up on computers [07:49] ok chesedo [07:49] Langjan: output of states that it is missing? [07:50] Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) [07:50] and some more yes chesedo [07:50] Langjan: good nginx is removed then... so you wanted to get gstream fixed orginally right? [07:51] Well yes, but wondered if it conflicts with vlc and audacious [07:51] no it works with audacious [07:52] vlc should have all its own stuff [07:52] My system has those two but is not working on some videos, [07:52] Langjan: should not be, they most likely use it as part of the UNIX philosophy of "do one thing and do it good" [07:52] my wife's 14.04 only has gsteamer and seems to work everywhere [07:53] Langjan: let's start with `sudo apt update` [07:53] ok [07:53] terminal still hanging must I kill it? [07:54] hangs?? which command caused it to hang? [07:54] hanging or taking its time [07:54] well perhaps wrong term, it is still on last output [07:54] patience [07:55] which shows nginx is not there [07:55] Langjan: press enter a few times [07:55] no effect [07:56] ai! unity [07:56] nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code' [07:56] ai! [07:56] thats the last output [07:56] Langjan: so there is no prompt ... $ at the end of the line [07:56] no [07:57] The last lines: systemd[1]: Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy se [07:57] systemd[1]: nginx.service: Unit entered failed state. [07:57] systemd[1]: nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code' [07:57] Langjan: press ctrl + z [07:58] ok thats done it, now doing uopdate [07:59] wants to upgrade, run it? [07:59] ok but after that type 'jobs' so that we can see what hanged the terminal (ctrl + z has put it in the background and want to make sure it is not something important) [08:00] sorry type `jobs` first [08:00] jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ jobs [08:00] [1]+ Stopped sudo systemctl status nginx [08:00] sorry I did the upgrade first [08:02] Langjan: np... I forgot that systemctl has a weird way of holding the terminal on status... [08:02] type `fg` and then `q` so that we can end that job [08:03] Langjan: also give me the output of that upgrade in a stickybin pls [08:03] ok done chesedo [08:03] * chesedo thinks that it will have gstreamer in the held back section again... [08:03] will do [08:04] sjoe [08:04] https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwe888 [08:05] seems ok [08:05] Langjan: the part above what you posted is what i'm interested in... [08:05] ok [08:06] ie the part directly after the upgrade command [08:07] I see what you mean chesedo : https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4mqdz [08:09] Langjan: is there any reason why you mark those packages for being on hold (other than 0ad which will be a huge update) [08:10] *marked [08:11] Not that I am aware of, except ignorance if it was me [08:11] enough said [08:11] * Kilos- hides [08:11] lmga! [08:11] hahaha [08:11] jy maak die ou man skaam [08:11] sies [08:12] lol... you have synaptic right? [08:12] yes [08:14] then it might have marked by accident in synaptic... see if you can find an option in synaptic to list all the 'held' packages and highlight them all (except for 0ad maybe) and remove the held mark... [08:14] i do not use synaptic so Kilos might be able to help you find those options [08:16] I see that Oad has a "!" [08:17] Over to you Kilos- ? [08:17] Many thanks for your time and effort chesedo [08:18] lemme catch up [08:18] hmm... [08:19] try reload in synaptic [08:19] then edit fix broken [08:19] W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) [08:19] then mark all upgrades [08:19] ai! [08:20] Kilos-: i can remember that you use synaptic... so can you guide us in getting synaptic to list only the held packages and then on how to unheld them... [08:20] what repo are you using Langjan [08:20] ive never had a held issue chesedo [08:20] repo? You mean in updates? [08:21] just some packages ive put on lock to this version and stopped them upgrading [08:21] Kilos-: do you how to use the GUI to do the above though? [08:21] synaptic settings repositories [08:21] im looking atm [08:22] you mean neulogy? [08:22] yes choose neology [08:23] theyve changed the synaptic look [08:23] * chesedo things that the issue (for gstreamer) atm is that is is held back and not anything to do with sources... although we will have to look at that too [08:23] am using it, my mentor taught me to [08:23] ai! [08:23] type in gstreamer at the top [08:23] then right click reinstall all that show already installed [08:24] yes chesedo but where is he always getting broken packages [08:24] i very rarely have that anymore [08:25] if you do a reinstall of packages in synaptic it will fetch and updates to them [08:25] any [08:25] synaptic taking long time to reload [08:25] Kilos-: broken packages has been resolved (or so it seems) so am trying to fix gstreamer atm and will then tend the other issues [08:26] once reloaded just mark all upgrades and apply [08:26] and dont start installing funny stuffs [08:26] Kilos-: nothing can be done on a package that is held as far as i remember (so reinstall will just reinstall in while we want to upgrade to latest) [08:26] Seems to be hanging, wont quit either [08:27] then going to gstreamer stuff will show all there and yopu will see the held ones [08:28] then just a reinstall of them should upgrade them [08:28] Looks ;like I will have to force it by reboot [08:28] is held and locked the same thing? [08:28] synaptic is slow at times oom [08:28] be patient [08:29] dont forget it has to try find everything you been fiddling with [08:29] Dont know but it shows "loading" circle but has been for very long time [08:29] patience [08:29] if the circle runs its working not hanging [08:30] ok [08:31] Kilos-: yes, synaptic shows held packages as being locked... [08:32] so yes the same thing [08:33] aha [08:33] ok then [08:33] tick in the middle of the package [08:33] then at the top [08:33] I see a "!" against 0ad - 17.3 MB real time strategy game of ancient warfare, interesting that chesedo referred to 0ad, is it something that is needed? [08:33] um [08:34] tick package [08:34] and chhose unlock [08:34] choose [08:35] Langjan: 0ad is a game and i know from experience that it update will be big (500Mb+) which is why i think it is currently also held/locked [08:35] do y6ou play 0ad [08:35] Its still circling to land... [08:35] lekker game [08:35] there is nothing wrong with it beign held, it will just same bandwidth [08:35] old time war but lots work to keep up [08:35] dont have time for gaming, except chess on rare occasions [08:35] then remove it [08:36] right click remove [08:36] even remove completely [08:36] ok will do but Synaptic is still circling [08:36] ai! [08:36] I think something went wrong [08:37] if you dont play a game why is it installed and locked [08:37] no idea, have never been there [08:38] 75ai! [08:38] 1 ai! as well [08:38] squirrel added the 75 [08:38] lmga! [08:39] they are real cute [08:39] Kilos-: do you mean to tell me that while I may have a monkey behind my keyboard you are lucky enough to have a squirrel :P [08:40] lol yes [08:40] quite a pest at times [08:40] ill post a pic one day [08:41] No monkey near your keyboard chesedo. There was nothing serious going on in synaptic, I think I must force it [08:42] Cannot take that long... [08:47] wb la [08:47] Langjan too [08:47] in synaptic click on the left 'status' then 'pinned' on the list above it [08:47] Langjan: ^^ [08:47] this will list all the held/locked packages [08:48] thats good to know ty chesedo [08:48] ok [08:49] never used that area before [08:50] chesedo, Does not show "pinned" - options are installed, upgradeable and a few others [08:51] Langjan: can you upload screenshot to http://pasteboard.co [08:51] shows a list of gsteamer packages marked "!" under upgradeable [08:52] will do [08:53] * chesedo installed synaptic on his system and is trying to get a package to be marked with ! [08:55] Langjan [08:55] try something [08:55] Dont know if this will work only gave link on copy and paste: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwzc9g [08:55] Langjan: on the left again click the 'Custom filters' option then 'broken' in the list above... [08:55] Which packages are now listed? [08:56] * chesedo has a hunch that they will all have an ! [08:57] zero shown as broken [08:57] well that is good atleat... then still need to find the meaning of ! [08:58] hmm Langjan in the menu click 'help' then 'icon legend' [08:59] What is the ! according to your's legend? [08:59] broken [09:00] but do not show in that selection, they show in upgradeable - interesting [09:00] Sorry there are two !'s [09:01] one shows upgradeable, the other is broken - different colours [09:02]