[05:39] <Kilos> morning za peeps
[05:57] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos how are things with you this morning?
[06:06] <Kilos> hi Langjan im ok ty and you?
[06:06] <Kilos> had a couple of tough days but today is better 
[06:09] <Langjan> Sorry to learn about tough days,I was wondering about you. We are fine thanks 
[06:09] <Kilos> nothing broken??
[06:09] <Langjan> Headaches?
[06:09] <Kilos> oh my
[06:09] <Kilos> yes and tight chest but today is lekker
[06:10] <Kilos> might be the new meds i gotta get used to
[06:10] <Langjan> Yes meds are always a compromise
[06:10] <Kilos> wish it was the 16th jan already so i can try get them to do what they must so i can stop meds
[06:11] <Langjan> What must happen 16 Jan?
[06:11] <Langjan> op?
[06:11] <Kilos> i  go for next appointment and hopefully get booked in at steve biko for bypasses
[06:12] <Langjan> OK strongs for that
[06:12] <Langjan> hope things work well for you
[06:12] <Kilos> hopefully they will accept i only want stents put in via the angio route
[06:12] <Kilos> i dont want chest cut open
[06:13] <Langjan> Well they will know whats best for your circumstances, if its got to be done, do the best you can
[06:13] <Kilos> i will ty for the concern
[06:13] <Langjan> Whats news from your girls?
[06:13] <Kilos> ai!
[06:13] <Kilos> too painful being apart
[06:14] <Langjan> sorry I brught it up
[06:14] <Kilos> skype call daily and chat lots on telegram
[06:14] <Kilos> being apart is painful man not talking about it
[06:14] <Langjan> good and is Debs coping with the AS?
[06:15] <Kilos> she is a very tough chick and keeps on regardless of pain
[06:16] <Kilos> only when she over does things and breaks an area thats just newly grown together then she has bad flareups otherwise she manages
[06:16] <Kilos> evil disease that
[06:17] <Kilos> nearly whole spine has growths from joint to joint
[06:17] <Langjan> Yes its not pleasant, eish! And how is Tara's business going?
[06:17] <Langjan> Sorry gotta go have breakfast, chat later
[06:17] <Kilos> she is busy now with all the arwork for peeps for christmas
[06:17] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:20] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:20] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[06:21] <Kilos> inetpro is jy terug
[06:21] <Kilos> ??
[06:21] <Kilos> im sure he went away for the holiday so might only be back after weekend
[06:22] <paddatrapper> Does anyne have any experience with LXC on Debian? I can't get unpriviledged containers working - unshare: Operation not permitted
[06:23] <Kilos> kick fly outa bed
[06:23] <Kilos> he the debian man
[06:38] <Langjan> G'morning paddatrapper 
[06:39] <Langjan> Kilos, you there young man?
[06:40] <Kilos> im here Langjan 
[06:41] <Langjan> I'm still battling with videos
[06:41] <Kilos> ai!
[06:42] <Kilos> oh those online ones
[06:42] <Langjan> Tried Juanita's system works fine then checked, she has gstreamer
[06:42] <Kilos> there is lots of gstreamer stuff for 16.04
[06:43] <Langjan> when I tried to install gstreamer errors showed graphics prob g
[06:43] <Kilos> open synaptic and type in gstreamer and choose the one you need
[06:43] <Langjan> so I installed Intel graphics update app
[06:43] <Kilos> ok
[06:43] <Kilos> additional drivers
[06:44] <Langjan> Yes, but now I have broken packages again
[06:44] <Kilos> ai!
[06:44] <Kilos> synaptic edit fix broken
[06:44] <Langjan> Trying to load gstreamer via Synaptic gets error: 
[06:44] <Kilos> broken package are bad downloads
[06:44] <Langjan> W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[06:44] <Kilos> what does synaptic say
[06:45] <Kilos> ai!
[06:45] <Langjan> Unable to fix 
[06:45] <Langjan> Perhaps I have wrong software repos marked
[06:45] <Kilos> then find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:45] <Kilos> and delete it
[06:45] <Kilos> im using neology
[06:46] <Kilos> then do a reload in synaptic
[06:46] <Kilos> i use synaptic to choose repos and everything
[06:46] <Kilos> never use update manager
[06:46] <Langjan> Plse bear with me
[06:46] <Kilos> of course
[06:47] <Langjan> find which package?
[06:47] <Kilos> that broken one
[06:47] <Kilos> lemme see your link
[06:48] <Langjan> I know but where do I see it?
[06:48] <Langjan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:49] <Kilos> go to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:49] <Kilos> try first
[06:49] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:50] <Kilos> let me just go open irc on desktop so ian can use my lappy for teamviewer
[06:50] <Langjan> ok
[06:51] <Kilos> ok i go there now
[06:51] <Kilos> me with a tail
[06:53] <Kilos-> Langjan here peeps can see if i guide you wrong and jump in
[06:54] <Kilos-> here toppie Langjan 
[06:54] <Langjan> Ok
[06:55] <Kilos-> ok
[06:55] <Kilos-> where were we
[06:55] <Langjan> find package
[06:55] <Langjan> I gave you output
[06:55] <Kilos-> do you know the broken package
[06:56] <Kilos-> give again please
[06:57] <Kilos-> its there on lappy and im here in my room on desktop
[06:57] <Langjan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:57] <Kilos-> sorry for the inconvenience
[06:57] <Langjan> nono
[06:57] <Langjan> does that help?
[06:57] <Kilos-> and here i have a squirrel to fight with as well\
[06:57] <Kilos-> hehe
[06:57] <Langjan> lmga!
[06:58] <paddatrapper> Morning Langjan
[06:58] <Kilos-> it gets agro when i type and dont pay attention to it
[06:58] <Kilos-> haha
[06:58] <Langjan> Hi paddatrapper Its a girl then
[06:58] <Kilos-> must be
[06:59] <Langjan> Long error output after your dpkg command
[06:59] <Kilos-> give that output in pm place so we dont spam here
[06:59] <Langjan> ok
[06:59] <Kilos-> or post it
[06:59] <Kilos-> to
[07:00] <Kilos-> https://bin.snyman.info
[07:01] <Langjan> done both
[07:02] <Kilos-> i forgot hot to see root folders on unity
[07:02] <Kilos-> how
[07:03] <Kilos-> tery and apt update
[07:03] <Kilos-> try 
[07:03] <Langjan> ok
[07:04] <Kilos-> then run sudo synaptic reinstall nginx nginx-core
[07:04] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:04] <Kilos-> nono
[07:04] <Kilos-> sudo aptitude reinstall nginx nginx-core
[07:05] <Kilos-> i dont even know what nginx does but if it complains its not installed then we try keep it happy
[07:05] <Langjan> running
[07:06] <Kilos-> wish you were on trouble free kde
[07:06] <Langjan> E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx-core:i386
[07:06] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:06] <Kilos-> then maybe just nginx will do
[07:06] <Kilos-> should install automagically
[07:07] <Langjan> sudo aptitude reinstall nginx
[07:07] <Kilos-> yes
[07:08] <Langjan> E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx:i386
[07:08] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:08] <Kilos-> sudo apt upgrade
[07:09] <Kilos-> let me get some bread for this squirrel so it can eat and leave my hands alone
[07:11] <Langjan> check stickynotes
[07:13] <Langjan> and pm
[07:15] <Kilos-> ok
[07:15] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:15] <Kilos-> lets try another route
[07:16] <Langjan> ok
[07:16] <Kilos-> do you remember how to show hidden files on unity
[07:16] <Langjan> thks
[07:16] <Langjan> yes
[07:16] <Kilos-> ok
[07:16] <Kilos-> find /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:17] <Langjan> dont see it is it in one of the folders?
[07:17] <Kilos-> you have to go into root folders
[07:18] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:18] <Kilos-> kde gives the root option easily
[07:18] <Langjan> which are root folders?
[07:18] <Kilos-> etc and var and usr and lots more
[07:18] <Kilos-> lets go in with terminal
[07:19] <Kilos-> cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:19] <Kilos-> then type in ls
[07:19] <Langjan> how do I copy and p from here?
[07:20] <Kilos-> with your mouse
[07:20] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:20] <Kilos-> are you in archives?
[07:21] <Langjan> yes
[07:21] <Kilos->  does ls show lots
[07:21] <Langjan> yes
[07:21] <Kilos-> scroll to see if nginx is there
[07:22] <Langjan> no
[07:22] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:22] <chesedo> morning all
[07:22] <Kilos-> ok type in cd
[07:23] <Kilos-> you should be at standard prompt again
[07:23] <chesedo> hmm Kilos- Langjan, nginx is a web server... to you plan to host websites on your PC?
[07:23] <Langjan> yes
[07:23] <Kilos-> chesedo please help here
[07:23] <Langjan> hi chesedo 
[07:24] <chesedo> Kilos-: where is that bin output?
[07:24] <Kilos-> i dont see unity in front of me so sukkeling some
[07:24] <chesedo> np
[07:24] <Langjan> no website hosting planned
[07:24] <Kilos-> langjan give that bin link
[07:25] <Kilos-> did you tell it to give you the link
[07:25] <chesedo> Kilos-: how much do I have to read ^above^ to know what is going on so far?
[07:25] <Langjan> bin link?
[07:26] <Langjan> Kilos-,  I put some error outputs in stickynotes and pm
[07:26] <Kilos-> where you posted that info to pastebin
[07:26] <Kilos-> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwippZPB2frQAhWT0RoKHSUVAN8QFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D947124&usg=AFQjCNGNL3DZeSfmeVO0bZ1PZQGye7ucfw
[07:26] <Kilos-> see if there is a way to fix you broken packages there
[07:26] <Kilos-> i see a solved link
[07:27] <chesedo> Langjan: the stickynote link?
[07:27] <Kilos-> i run to toilet quick wbb
[07:28] <Langjan> Sorry not sure what link Kilos- wants
[07:28] <Langjan> running those broken package fix commands at the mo
[07:28] <chesedo> Langjan: there output error link
[07:32] <Langjan> Plse see stickynotes
[07:33] <Kilos-> you need to give the link for sticynotes Langjan 
[07:34] <Langjan> Sorry: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmgfpp5
[07:34] <Kilos-> tick the submit button and then copy passte the url you get at the top
[07:34] <Kilos-> aha
[07:35] <Langjan> And https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295
[07:37] <Langjan> nd latest: https://bin.snyman.info/mmm2wcn4
[07:37] <Kilos-> type y and enter
[07:38] <Langjan> where?
[07:38] <Kilos-> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295 end of that
[07:39] <Langjan> Oh that was done 
[07:39] <Kilos-> i dont understand the reason why it keeps harping about nginx
[07:39] <chesedo> Kilos-: end of that continous on next one...
[07:40] <Kilos-> chesedo you go ahead please if you have time
[07:40] <chesedo> lets remove nginx as you will not need it
[07:40] <Langjan> makes sense
[07:40] <chesedo> Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*`
[07:40] <Langjan> ok
[07:41] <Langjan> running
[07:42] <chesedo> after that type 'sudo systemctl status nginx` ... this should report that nignx is missing/not there (aka service is removed)
[07:42] <Langjan> Done except for:  dpkg: warning: while removing nginx-common, directory '/var/www/html' not empty so not removed
[07:42] <Langjan>  
[07:42] <chesedo> Langjan: ok, output of `ls -la /var/www/html/`
[07:44] <Langjan> total 12
[07:44] <Langjan> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec  6 16:56 .
[07:44] <Langjan> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec  6 16:35 ..
[07:44] <Langjan> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  612 Dec  6 16:56 index.nginx-debian.html
[07:45] <chesedo> Langjan: ok that seems like the default for nginx, so we can remove it with `sudo rm -R /var/www/html`
[07:46] <chesedo> based on those dates it seems like you installed nginx on the 6th...
[07:46] <Langjan> ok chesedo I ran that command and just got prompt again, is that right?
[07:47] <chesedo> Langjan: yes
[07:47] <chesedo> Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*` again
[07:47] <Langjan> ok
[07:47] <Kilos> too clever these young ones
[07:48] <Langjan> ok done
[07:48] <chesedo> then  'sudo systemctl status nginx` again
[07:48] <Langjan> Yes they grew up on computers
[07:49] <Langjan> ok chesedo 
[07:49] <chesedo> Langjan: output of states that it is missing?
[07:50] <Langjan>  Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
[07:50] <Langjan> and some more yes chesedo 
[07:50] <chesedo> Langjan: good nginx is removed then... so you wanted to get gstream fixed orginally right?
[07:51] <Langjan> Well yes, but wondered if it conflicts with vlc and audacious
[07:51] <Kilos> no it works with audacious
[07:52] <Kilos> vlc should have all its own stuff
[07:52] <Langjan> My system has those two but is not working on some videos, 
[07:52] <chesedo> Langjan: should not be, they most likely use it as part of the UNIX philosophy of "do one thing and do it good"
[07:52] <Langjan> my wife's 14.04 only has gsteamer and seems to work everywhere
[07:53] <chesedo> Langjan: let's start with `sudo apt update`
[07:53] <Langjan> ok
[07:53] <Langjan> terminal still hanging must I kill it?
[07:54] <chesedo> hangs?? which command caused it to hang?
[07:54] <Kilos> hanging or taking its time
[07:54] <Langjan> well perhaps wrong term, it is still on last output 
[07:54] <Kilos> patience
[07:55] <Langjan> which shows nginx is not there
[07:55] <chesedo> Langjan: press enter a few times
[07:55] <Langjan> no effect
[07:56] <Kilos-> ai! unity
[07:56] <Langjan> nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[07:56] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:56] <Langjan> thats the last output
[07:56] <chesedo> Langjan: so there is no prompt ... $ at the end of the line
[07:56] <Langjan> no
[07:57] <Langjan> The last lines: systemd[1]: Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy se
[07:57] <Langjan> systemd[1]: nginx.service: Unit entered failed state.
[07:57] <Langjan> systemd[1]: nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[07:57] <chesedo> Langjan: press ctrl + z
[07:58] <Langjan> ok thats done it, now doing uopdate
[07:59] <Langjan> wants to upgrade, run it?
[07:59] <chesedo> ok but after that type 'jobs' so that we can see what hanged the terminal (ctrl + z has put it in the background and want to make sure it is not something important)
[08:00] <chesedo> sorry type `jobs` first
[08:00] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ jobs
[08:00] <Langjan> [1]+  Stopped                 sudo systemctl status nginx
[08:00] <Langjan> sorry I did the upgrade first
[08:02] <chesedo> Langjan: np... I forgot that systemctl has a weird way of holding the terminal on status...
[08:02] <chesedo> type `fg` and then `q` so that we can end that job
[08:03] <chesedo> Langjan: also give me the output of that upgrade in a stickybin pls
[08:03] <Langjan> ok done chesedo 
[08:03]  * chesedo thinks that it will have gstreamer in the held back section again...
[08:03] <Langjan> will do
[08:04] <Kilos-> sjoe
[08:04] <Langjan> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwe888
[08:05] <Langjan> seems ok
[08:05] <chesedo> Langjan: the part above what you posted is what i'm interested in...
[08:05] <Langjan> ok
[08:06] <chesedo> ie the part directly after the upgrade command
[08:07] <Langjan> I see what you mean chesedo : https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4mqdz
[08:09] <chesedo> Langjan: is there any reason why you mark those packages for being on hold (other than 0ad which will be a huge update)
[08:10] <chesedo> *marked
[08:11] <Langjan> Not that I am aware of, except ignorance if it was me
[08:11] <Kilos-> enough said
[08:11]  * Kilos- hides
[08:11] <Langjan> lmga!
[08:11] <Kilos-> hahaha
[08:11] <Langjan> jy maak die ou man skaam
[08:11] <Langjan> sies
[08:12] <chesedo> lol... you have synaptic right?
[08:12] <Langjan> yes
[08:14] <chesedo> then it might have marked by accident in synaptic... see if you can find an option in synaptic to list all the 'held' packages and highlight them all (except for 0ad maybe) and remove the held mark...
[08:14] <chesedo> i do not use synaptic so Kilos might be able to help you find those options
[08:16] <Langjan> I see that Oad has a "!"
[08:17] <Langjan> Over to you Kilos- ?
[08:17] <Langjan> Many thanks for your time and effort chesedo 
[08:18] <Kilos> lemme catch up
[08:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:19] <Kilos> try reload in synaptic
[08:19] <Kilos> then edit fix broken
[08:19] <Langjan> W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[08:19] <Kilos> then mark all upgrades
[08:19] <Kilos> ai!
[08:20] <chesedo> Kilos-: i can remember that you use synaptic... so can you guide us in getting synaptic to list only the held packages and then on how to unheld them...
[08:20] <Kilos> what repo are you using Langjan 
[08:20] <Kilos> ive never had a held issue chesedo 
[08:20] <Langjan> repo? You mean in updates?
[08:21] <Kilos> just some packages ive put on lock to this version and stopped them upgrading
[08:21] <chesedo> Kilos-: do you how to use the GUI to do the above though?
[08:21] <Kilos> synaptic settings repositories
[08:21] <Kilos> im looking atm
[08:22] <Langjan> you mean neulogy?
[08:22] <Kilos> yes choose neology
[08:23] <Kilos> theyve changed the synaptic look
[08:23]  * chesedo things that the issue (for gstreamer) atm is that is is held back and not anything to do with sources... although we will have to look at that too
[08:23] <Langjan> am using it, my mentor taught me to
[08:23] <Kilos> ai!
[08:23] <Kilos> type in gstreamer at the top
[08:23] <Kilos> then right click reinstall all that show already installed
[08:24] <Kilos> yes chesedo but where is he always getting broken packages
[08:24] <Kilos> i very rarely have that anymore
[08:25] <Kilos> if you do a reinstall of packages in synaptic it will fetch and updates to them
[08:25] <Kilos> any
[08:25] <Langjan> synaptic taking long time to reload
[08:25] <chesedo> Kilos-: broken packages has been resolved (or so it seems) so am trying to fix gstreamer atm and will then tend the other issues
[08:26] <Kilos> once reloaded just mark all upgrades and apply
[08:26] <Kilos> and dont start installing funny stuffs
[08:26] <chesedo> Kilos-: nothing can be done on a package that is held as far as i remember (so reinstall will just reinstall in while we want to upgrade to latest)
[08:26] <Langjan> Seems to be hanging, wont quit either
[08:27] <Kilos-> then going to gstreamer stuff will show all there and yopu will see the held ones
[08:28] <Kilos-> then just a reinstall of them should upgrade them
[08:28] <Langjan> Looks ;like I will have to force it by reboot
[08:28] <Kilos-> is held and locked the same thing?
[08:28] <Kilos-> synaptic is slow at times oom
[08:28] <Kilos-> be patient
[08:29] <Kilos-> dont forget it has to try find everything you been fiddling with
[08:29] <Langjan> Dont know but it shows "loading" circle but has been for very long time
[08:29] <Kilos-> patience
[08:29] <Kilos-> if the circle runs its working not hanging
[08:30] <Langjan> ok 
[08:31] <chesedo> Kilos-: yes, synaptic shows held packages as being locked...
[08:32] <chesedo> so yes the same thing
[08:33] <Kilos-> aha
[08:33] <Kilos-> ok then
[08:33] <Kilos-> tick in the middle of the package
[08:33] <Kilos-> then at the top
[08:33] <Langjan> I see a "!" against 0ad - 17.3 MB real time strategy game of ancient warfare, interesting that chesedo referred to 0ad, is it something that is needed?   
[08:33] <Kilos-> um
[08:34] <Kilos-> tick package 
[08:34] <Kilos-> and chhose unlock
[08:34] <Kilos-> choose
[08:35] <chesedo> Langjan: 0ad is a game and i know from experience that it update will be big (500Mb+) which is why i think it is currently also held/locked
[08:35] <Kilos-> do y6ou play 0ad
[08:35] <Langjan> Its still circling to land...
[08:35] <Kilos-> lekker game
[08:35] <chesedo> there is nothing wrong with it beign held, it will just same bandwidth
[08:35] <Kilos-> old time war but lots work to keep up
[08:35] <Langjan> dont have time for gaming, except chess on rare occasions
[08:35] <Kilos-> then remove it
[08:36] <Kilos-> right click remove
[08:36] <Kilos-> even remove completely
[08:36] <Langjan> ok will do but Synaptic is still circling
[08:36] <Kilos-> ai!
[08:36] <Langjan> I think something went wrong
[08:37] <Kilos-> if you dont play a game why is it installed and locked
[08:37] <Langjan> no idea, have never been there
[08:38] <Kilos-> 75ai!
[08:38] <Kilos-> 1 ai! as well
[08:38] <Kilos-> squirrel added the 75
[08:38] <Langjan> lmga!
[08:39] <Langjan> they are real cute
[08:39] <chesedo> Kilos-: do you mean to tell me that while I may have a monkey behind my keyboard you are lucky enough to have a squirrel :P
[08:40] <Kilos-> lol yes
[08:40] <Kilos-> quite a pest at times
[08:40] <Kilos-> ill post a pic one day
[08:41] <Langjan> No monkey near your keyboard chesedo. There was nothing serious going on in synaptic, I think I must force it
[08:42] <Langjan> Cannot take that long...
[08:47] <Kilos-> wb la
[08:47] <Kilos-> Langjan too
[08:47] <chesedo> in synaptic click on the left 'status' then 'pinned' on the list above it
[08:47] <chesedo> Langjan: ^^
[08:47] <chesedo> this will list all the held/locked packages
[08:48] <Kilos-> thats good to know ty chesedo 
[08:48] <Langjan> ok
[08:49] <Kilos-> never used that area before
[08:50] <Langjan> chesedo, Does not show "pinned" - options are installed, upgradeable and a few others
[08:51] <chesedo> Langjan: can you upload screenshot to http://pasteboard.co
[08:51] <Langjan> shows a list of gsteamer packages marked "!" under upgradeable 
[08:52] <Langjan> will do
[08:53]  * chesedo installed synaptic on his system and is trying to get a package to be marked with !
[08:55] <Kilos-> Langjan 
[08:55] <Kilos-> try something
[08:55] <Langjan> Dont know if this will work only gave link on copy and paste: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwzc9g
[08:55] <chesedo> Langjan: on the left again click the 'Custom filters' option then 'broken' in the list above...
[08:55] <chesedo> Which packages are now listed?
[08:56]  * chesedo has a hunch that they will all have an !
[08:57] <Langjan> zero shown as broken
[08:57] <chesedo> well that is good atleat... then still need to find the meaning of !
[08:58] <chesedo> hmm Langjan  in the menu click 'help' then 'icon legend'
[08:59] <chesedo> What is the ! according to your's legend?
[08:59] <Langjan> broken
[09:00] <Langjan> but do not show in that selection, they show in upgradeable - interesting
[09:00] <Langjan> Sorry there are two !'s 
[09:01] <Langjan> one shows upgradeable, the other is broken - different colours
[09:02] <Langjan> the gstreamer ones are shown as upgradeable
[09:02] <Langjan> installed (upgradeable)
[09:02] <Kilos-> then just do the apply
[09:02] <Kilos-> should upgrade
[09:04] <Langjan> 90 seconds to go
[09:05] <Langjan> applying changes
[09:06] <Kilos-> sjoe
[09:06] <Kilos-> you complained about kde
[09:06] <Kilos-> holy moly
[09:06] <Kilos-> im sure you could break a wheelbarrow
[09:07]  * Kilos- hides again
[09:07] <Langjan> Kilos-,  shal I run thro the other options, auto removable, obsolete etc? 
[09:07] <Kilos-> see what autoremovable does
[09:08] <Kilos-> thats an ap-get function too
[09:08] <Kilos-> apt-get
[09:09] <Langjan> theres a lot of stuff there, dont think I must mess around with them
[09:09] <Kilos-> lol
[09:09] <Kilos-> ok then close synaptic
[09:09] <Kilos-> and run sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:10] <Kilos-> that will be old kernels etc
[09:10] <Kilos-> will make lotsa free space
[09:11] <Langjan> 1 611 MB ! wow!
[09:11] <Kilos-> sjoe
[09:11] <chesedo> Kilos-: he has only two packages that are no longer needed -> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4mqdz
[09:12] <Kilos-> i wonder what caused all those kept back packages
[09:12] <chesedo> hmm either that is 0ad which was marked for removal or something new is broken...
[09:13] <chesedo> Langjan: what was the output of that autoremove command? (stickynote pls)
[09:13] <Kilos-> i see apt autoremove also works
[09:14] <Kilos-> i still need to get used to apt commands
[09:14] <Langjan> Putting in stickynotes
[09:15] <Langjan> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmppcka
[09:15] <Langjan> Stickynotes silly verification system
[09:16] <Langjan> sudo update shows: E: The repository 'https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main xenial Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[09:16] <Langjan> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[09:16] <Langjan> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[09:17] <Langjan> shall I delete that repo?
[09:17] <Kilos-> just use neology
[09:18] <Kilos-> how you get into these predicaments
[09:18] <Kilos-> moenie krap waar dit nie juk nie
[09:18] <Langjan> thats the intel graphics update app that I installed 
[09:19] <Kilos-> did you do it via dash additional drivers
[09:19] <Kilos-> or you went hunting in google
[09:19] <Kilos-> always try use what is in your system and its repos
[09:19] <Langjan> Intel website via google
[09:20] <Kilos-> type in dash
[09:20] <Langjan> I think...
[09:20] <Kilos-> additional
[09:20] <Kilos-> it will find what is needed
[09:21] <Kilos-> ty for the help chesedo 
[09:21] <Langjan> It shows the unknown driver
[09:21] <Langjan> yes many thanks chesedo 
[09:22] <Langjan> appreciated very much
[09:22] <chesedo> np Kilos- , note that intel does offer a special graphics update util for Linux
[09:22] <chesedo> this -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/intel-graphics-update-ubuntu-16-04
[09:22] <Langjan> Thats right, thks chesedo 
[09:23] <Kilos> ya but letting old men go wild with google breaks things
[09:23] <Kilos> but omgubuntu is normally good
[09:24] <Langjan> all seems fine now many thks, just need to test videos
[09:25]  * chesedo not has unbreak all those things he changed in synaptic
[09:25] <Kilos> im scared to try that intel thing when everything is working
[09:25] <Langjan> We have to do something to keep the adrenalin pumping man!
[09:25] <Kilos> just now i need help too
[09:25] <Langjan> kde never breaks
[09:26] <Kilos> oh yes i forgot
[09:26] <Kilos> hee hee
[09:26] <Langjan> you need help from chesedo or from me?
[09:26] <chesedo> Kilos-: do not use it unless if you have an intel graphics card (that is quite new too)
[09:26] <Langjan> wat weet die ou man?
[09:27]  * chesedo guess that that would depend on the subject matter
[09:27] <Langjan> It seemed to do some graphics upgrades quite efficiently
[09:28] <Langjan> You're very right che
[09:28] <Langjan> chesedo, sorry
[09:28] <Langjan> like polishing a noggin
[09:29] <Kilos> lol
[09:29] <Kilos> use the systems tools to find what is needed is safer imo
[09:29] <Kilos> it wont go fetch something that will break it
[09:30] <Langjan> videos still not working, eish!
[09:30] <Kilos> and normally only uses stable stuff
[09:30] <Langjan> asks for pepperflash
[09:30] <Kilos> might be some codecs missing Langjan 
[09:31] <Kilos> ai! all this flash stuff
[09:31] <Langjan> It gets very messy
[09:31] <Kilos> there is pepper in synaptic
[09:32] <Langjan> between different browsers, different video systems and different grapgics
[09:32] <Kilos> the pro uses it i think
[09:34] <Langjan> there are two packages, ythe one only wants to be marked for removal and the other will reinstall. I get the feeling I must follow the suggestion to remove the one that cannot be re-installed
[09:34] <Kilos-> i have it as well pepperflashplugin
[09:34] <Langjan> This package will download Chrome from Google, and unpack it to make the
[09:34] <Langjan> included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium.  The end user
[09:34] <Langjan> license agreement is available at Google.
[09:35] <Kilos-> just the plugin
[09:35] <Kilos-> i have no other pepper stuff installed
[09:36] <Langjan> Both are plugins, one is browser plugin, the other is plugin adapter
[09:37] <Kilos> ai!
[09:37] <Kilos> i was on 14.04
[09:37] <Langjan> Both seem to go with chrome
[09:38] <Kilos> 16.04 shows more
[09:38] <Kilos> whats the link to your vid
[09:38] <Kilos> let me see if it works on opera
[09:38] <Langjan> http://www.speedtest.net/
[09:39] <Kilos> works with no pepperflash
[09:40] <Kilos> maybe i have adobe flash plugin installer
[09:40] <Kilos> nope no adobe stuff
[09:41] <Kilos> try opera-browser
[09:43] <chesedo> pepper flash is a chrome thing afaik
[09:44] <Kilos> https://www.opera.com/download/linux/
[09:44] <Kilos> gooi weg daai firefox ding
[09:45] <Langjan> Dont like opera
[09:46] <Langjan> maybe I must get rid of chrome
[09:46] <Langjan> and all its dependancies
[09:47] <Kilos> ai!
[09:47] <Kilos> i never use chrome
[09:47] <Kilos> i use bare minimal google stuf
[09:52] <Kilos> when fly and padda have done with iterum well have a bot that doesnt use google either
[09:54] <chesedo> Xethron: great article! Follow through is propably the hardest - atleast those hooks cover most of it. You did not mention about running the tests in CI when MR are submitted, did you also implement this?
[09:55] <Kilos> i think i still prefer 14.04 to 16.04
[09:55] <chesedo> Kilos: is iterum our new bot?
[09:56] <Kilos> yes they busy with it all the time, its the new version of ibid
[09:56] <Kilos> called iterum so you can still name your bot what you like
[09:56] <chesedo> ohhh great can't wait for it...
[09:56] <Kilos> 'hopefully maaz will be upgraded
[09:57] <Kilos> you can join #iterum to keep up chesedo 
[09:57] <chesedo> btw at what time, must who be where for our reverification on the 19th?
[09:57] <chesedo> Kilos: will do
[09:57] <Kilos> we must all try attend the meeting
[09:57] <Kilos> last time was near midnight iirc
[09:59] <chesedo> ok, how will we be notified of the time?
[10:08] <Kilos> ill try find out and let you know
[10:08] <Kilos> ill drop it here and in the mail
[10:46] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[10:47] <Kilos> have you joined us on launchpad yet
[10:54] <nsnzero> hi kilos 
[10:54] <nsnzero> yes i have - user nasan
[10:55] <Kilos-> cool ty
[11:00] <nsnzero> my pleasure
[11:03] <nsnzero> Kilos-: you on kubuntu now ?
[11:03] <Kilos-> yes and loving it
[11:03] <Kilos-> since 14.04
[11:05] <Kilos-> im gonna nap for a while wbb
[11:06] <nsnzero> ok take care
[11:07] <nsnzero> i will be on later as well
[13:25] <Langjan> Hi Kilos - Opera Beta or Stable?
[13:27] <Kilos> i use stable and opera-dev
[13:27] <Kilos> both work great
[13:27] <Kilos> and you can open each one independantly
[13:28] <Langjan> Let me give it another go, anything will be better than this Chrome/Firefox/Flash shambles.  
[13:28] <Kilos> and run both the same time with 20 tabs open in each
[13:29] <Langjan> Why have both? Are they so bad that you need a constant backup?
[13:29] <Kilos> then i havent got 40 tabs open in one
[13:30] <Langjan> Better multi-tasker than  dom blond...
[13:30] <Kilos> and they can remember all tabs and you can set it to see them all everytime but only open when you need one
[13:30] <Kilos> haha
[13:31] <Kilos> and they are faster than firefox
[13:31] <Kilos> bit lighter i think
[13:32] <Langjan> If my videos dont work I will never believe you again...
[13:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:32] <Kilos> i looked on 14.04 i have pepperflashplugin installed there
[13:33] <Langjan> I have a new bug for you, but let me google it first
[13:33] <Kilos> but not here on 16.04 and it still runs speedtest fine
[13:33] <Kilos> haha
[13:33] <Kilos> be careful of what google tells you
[13:33] <Kilos> use advise only from ubuntu peeps mostly
[13:34] <Kilos> omgubuntu is ok
[13:34] <Kilos> but rather trust peeps like chesedo 
[13:34] <Kilos> he can dig into things and fix them
[13:34] <Kilos> i do reinstall fixes
[13:37] <Langjan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[13:39] <Kilos> i just use synaptic and reinstall everything starting with x
[13:39] <Kilos> xserver etc
[13:39] <Kilos> and x11
[13:40] <chesedo> lol, I have just broke many systems with installs to be able to fix them
[13:40] <chesedo> btw I thought the videos are not playing in vlc, etc
[13:47] <Langjan> Phew there are hundreds of "x" s
[13:48] <Kilos> lol
[13:48] <Kilos> dont be lazy
[13:49] <Langjan> I'm not looking for ways to kill time
[13:49] <Langjan> with girls down under...
[13:49] <Langjan> sorry!
[13:50] <Kilos> lol
[13:50] <chesedo> Langjan: what are your freezing symptoms?
[13:51] <Kilos> and Langjan you must report bugs so they can sort them the updat upgrade will fix things 
[13:51] <Langjan> hi chesedo when the screensaver activates, it freezes when I try to deactivate it by moving the mouse: then the last image just stays there and only sign of life is the mouse cursor moving
[13:52] <Kilos> every bug report helps them make ubuntu better
[13:52] <chesedo> Langjan: xscreensaver?
[13:52] <Langjan> yes
[13:52] <Kilos> turn off screensavers and choose blank page
[13:52] <chesedo> Langjan: ^^
[13:52] <Kilos> its maybe that suspend thibg
[13:52] <Kilos> thing
[13:52] <chesedo> they just waste CPU
[13:53] <Kilos> i turn off suspend as well
[13:53] <Langjan> Turn off suspend?
[13:54] <Kilos> i do yes
[13:55] <Kilos> look in power manager
[13:55]  * chesedo does not :P
[13:55] <Langjan> My suspend is turned off
[13:55]  * chesedo actually likes hiberate more than suspend but lappy does not support it
[13:56] <Kilos> one of my pcs froze everytime it suspened so ive turned it off since
[13:56] <Kilos> oh yes hibernate
[13:56] <Kilos> thats the thing
[13:56] <Kilos> i just let screen turn off or go blank
[13:56] <Kilos> screensaver blank screen
[13:56] <Kilos> or none, i forget
[13:58] <Kilos> wbb , resting time
[13:58] <Langjan> We like the xscreensavers, they rotate every minute and my grandchildren love to sit and watch them 
[13:58] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <Langjan> Kilos, What do I do with packages that do not have re-install option in synaptic, only option is removal? 
[14:10] <Xethron> chesedo: I have found that submitting to projects with tests are a lot easier than those without
[14:11] <Xethron> As its easier to see if you broke some sort of backwards compatibility issue. But I don't see it as a must, and the article was getting quite long already :P
[14:11] <Xethron> You are welcome to add a comment on it for others to read though :)
[14:11] <Kilos> leave them Langjan 
[14:12] <Kilos> they are one time only packages that will stay basic needs without upgrades
[14:17] <Kilos> i think
[14:18] <Langjan> And missing recommends?
[14:18] <Langjan> here are 52 of those
[14:23] <Kilos> no worry
[14:24] <Kilos> only on occasion i add a recommend
[14:27] <Kilos> ami how much must be downloaded
[14:27] <Kilos> must be some patches there
[14:27] <Langjan> OK let me venture into the opera house
[14:27] <Langjan> ami?
[14:29] <Kilos> as a matter of interest i think
[15:55] <superfly> Xethron, chesedo tests++
[15:55] <Xethron> No, pre-increment is better. ++tests
[15:56] <Xethron> :P
[16:06] <superfly> Xethron: wahaha
[16:09] <Kilos> oh my , where did langjan go
[16:16] <Langjan> Hi Kilos and chesedo 
[16:17] <Langjan> I found the solution to the xscreensaver prob
[16:19] <Langjan> Its just a setting. Under preferences, advanced, Fading and Colormaps the box "Fade to black when blanking" must be ticked. 
[16:19] <Langjan> Xscreensaver settings very confusing
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[16:26] <Kilos> well done
[16:26] <Langjan> Thks Kilos, good mentor 
[16:26] <Kilos> how much was downloaded
[16:55] <Langjan> Kilos, not the ultimate solution, only works sometimes. Back to the drawing board.
[16:55] <Kilos> ai!
[16:55] <Langjan> But gonna braai some chops now, better count your sheep. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and thks for all the help.  
[16:56] <Kilos> what only works sometimes
[16:56] <Kilos> the videos?
[16:56] <Kilos> oh enjoy
[16:56] <Langjan> no the blocked screensaver
[16:56] <Langjan> thks
[16:56] <Kilos> see you monday
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:31] <nsnzero> Kilos: ?
[17:32] <Kilos> sigh i see only 4 members in the loco council and one informs me he has withdrawn.
[17:32] <Kilos> im trying to find a time for our meeting
[17:32] <Kilos> i ailed the community council now
[17:32] <Kilos> mailed
[17:33] <nsnzero> what position is that ?
[17:34] <Kilos> the loco council overseas and decides on our application for reverification
[17:34] <Kilos> the community council is the ubuntu controlling body
[17:35] <nsnzero> loco = local community  
[17:36] <Kilos> thats each loco like the ubuntu-za loco
[17:36] <Kilos> the councils control us
[17:36] <nsnzero> so the local group applies to the parent group overseeing everything , just to say we here included us 
[17:36] <Kilos> yes and show then we are still active
[17:37] <Kilos> loco council is the parent group of all the locos world wide
[17:37] <nsnzero> 3 members shows activity though
[17:37] <Kilos> ive mailed a few of them and one community council member
[17:38] <Kilos> at meetings they need 4 to make a quorum
[17:39] <Kilos> sometimes a member or two of the community council step in to help out when needed
[17:39] <nsnzero> off topic : i am never happy with my themes on kubuntu - wasting some time editing everthing 
[17:39] <Kilos> what themes
[17:40] <Kilos> you like more eye candy?
[17:40] <nsnzero> now i have a dark blue theme - with glass icons and custom login and lock screens
[17:41] <Kilos> i just change the desktop background with a picture
[17:42] <nsnzero> now how do you get to be a community member?
[17:42] <Kilos> on the laptop here i have the standard new background
[17:42] <Kilos> you first apply for ubuntu membership
[17:43] <Kilos> then after a while when there is a vacancy you can apply
[17:43] <nsnzero> ubuntu-one ?
[17:43] <Kilos> let me find you a link
[17:43] <Kilos> its quite a job
[17:44] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj3_Ijc4_vQAhVC6RQKHapXCOsQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FMembership%2FNewMember&usg=AFQjCNEgOfMbyOP705uzcjfdIqgEbGanJA
[17:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:44] <Kilos> sorry for thaqt long link
[17:44] <nsnzero> yeah i can see : personal wiki page , code of conduct , testimonials , agenda 
[17:46] <Kilos> lol signing the code of conduct was a major job for me
[17:46] <Kilos> had to get help
[17:46] <Kilos> even needed help with my wiki page
[17:47] <nsnzero> atleast now my PGP keys will come in handy
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah
[17:48] <nsnzero> forgot my launchpad password ????
[17:49] <Kilos> i had to get help with that as well
[17:49] <Kilos> i was very stupid
[17:49] <Kilos> and now im even more so
[17:50] <nsnzero> we all still learning 
[17:55] <nsnzero> no gota reset my account again - using 64bit passwords - think it too long
[18:01] <Kilos> learning is fine , its forgetting what you learned thats a pain
[18:02] <nsnzero> what i have forgotten never bothers me until i remember that i forgot it 
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <nsnzero> i had to start using keepassx to store passwords - before i had 1 password to remember now i have least 20
[18:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:06] <nsnzero> everything requires passwords today 
[18:06] <Kilos> i use one difficult one everywhere
[18:09] <nsnzero> now how do i sign the code of conduct - cant seem to find where i need to upload my PGP keys
[18:10] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8k_TT6fvQAhXBXRQKHXBECFIQFggkMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FSigningCodeofConduct&usg=AFQjCNHo3DFhvNsTv0rFQvMsrJEAcfTuMA
[18:11] <Kilos> there is a walk through in our trello
[18:15] <nsnzero> thanks
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: why should nsnzero apply to be an Ubuntu member? Surely all he needs to do is join the LoCo? 
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: unless nsnzero has some serious Ubuntu cred he is unlikely to be made a member. Heck, they were skeptical of me 
[18:31] <nsnzero> hey superfly
[18:31] <superfly> nsnzero: no offence intended, is just that Kilos gets excited about these things, and I don't want to put you through unnecessary stress 
[18:32] <superfly> *it's 
[18:32] <nsnzero> just trying to help out here
[18:32] <Kilos> he asked superfly 
[18:32] <Kilos> he has joined us on lp
[18:32] <superfly> I don't know what Ubuntu cred you have, but they tend to be quite strict about it 
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: absolutely. Please join the team on Launchpad, that's your official Ubuntu-ZA membership
[18:33] <superfly> nsnzero: ^^
[18:34] <nsnzero> i have no ubuntu creds atm - i am registered with the launchpad
[18:34] <superfly> nsnzero: by all means, please get involved 
[18:35] <Kilos> did you see what i said about the reverification superfly 
[18:35] <nsnzero> didnt know that there is so much work for you guys  
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: I saw something about not all the LoCo council being available 
[18:37] <Kilos> hopefully they can make quorum with the help from the cc
[18:38] <Kilos> i mailed belkie for info
[18:38] <Kilos> she is on the cc now
[18:40] <superfly> Ok 
[18:40] <superfly> Wow, even the official Ubuntu structures seem to be falling apart -_-
[18:40] <Kilos> yip
[18:40] <Kilos> worrying
[18:41] <Kilos> time for us to climb in and help
[18:41] <Kilos> peeps are just too busy
[18:42] <nsnzero> i think there is too much red tape - wouldn't more join if it where a simpler process
[18:42] <superfly> Kilos: I'll be honest, I don't think there's a need anymore 
[18:42] <Kilos> yes it seems to be working without all the structures
[18:43] <Kilos> but then they must drop the reverification process
[18:43] <Kilos> cant make old structures work if they arent there 
[18:44] <superfly> Comes back to the question I asked the previous time... Why? What does being an official LoCo give us? 
[18:44] <nsnzero> guys the point of local community is to provide feedback ? am i correct or is it entirely something else
[18:44] <Kilos> very um
[18:45] <Kilos> er
[18:45] <superfly> nsnzero: it's basically to provide a local community for users. 
[18:45] <Kilos> controversial issue superfly 
[18:45] <superfly> nsnzero: and indirectly, advertising for Canonical
[18:46] <Kilos> nsnzero basically locos are like we are, here to help each other and newbies
[18:46] <Kilos> and grow ubuntu
[18:46] <superfly> nsnzero: they don't say that, but that's how Canonical benefits from it 
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro 
[18:47] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 3 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes and 23 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-12-13 21:16:28 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-12-10 15:14:12 SAST
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <Kilos> long weekend for him
[18:49] <superfly> I need to go back to sleep, I'll chat later 
[18:49] <Kilos> night superfly 
[18:49] <Kilos> min dae
[18:50] <nsnzero> take care
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:37] <chesedo> exit
[20:37] <chesedo> lol
[20:37]  * chesedo thought he was in the terminal