[00:00] !info dolphin trusty [00:00] dolphin (source: kde-baseapps): file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.1 (trusty), package size 1094 kB, installed size 2827 kB [00:01] !info dolphin zesty [00:01] dolphin (source: dolphin): file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 1007 kB, installed size 3341 kB [00:01] so we support two right now: 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 in yakkety [00:01] valorie: sudo apt-get install dolphin4 [00:01] !info dolphin4 [00:02] dolphin4 (source: kde-baseapps): file browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 561 kB, installed size 2388 kB [00:02] okey-doke, you can [00:02] but why? [00:02] valorie: I know that [00:02] actually, that's the same [00:02] so perhaps it's not fully ported yet? [00:03] valorie: to use some scripts that are only for dolphin4 [00:03] it's the same [00:03] or, hmmm [00:03] ubottu is feeding us wonky info [00:03] valorie: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:04] anyway, try and see [00:04] valorie: thanks! [00:05] have to go, have a good evening! [00:05] is what the same? [00:09] acheronuk: dolphin4 [00:09] and dolphin without the 4 [00:09] they have the same version number according to ubottu [00:09] !info dophine [00:09] Package dophine does not exist in yakkety [00:09] pfff [00:09] !info dophin [00:09] Package dophin does not exist in yakkety [00:09] !info dolphin [00:09] dolphin (source: dolphin): file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1007 kB, installed size 3341 kB [00:10] !info dolphin4 [00:10] dolphin4 (source: kde-baseapps): file browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 561 kB, installed size 2388 kB [00:10] yes, but they are part of kde apps, so the versions will be the same [00:10] 16.04.3 in this case, as all the apps of that release are [00:11] but they are produced by different source packages [00:12] kde-baseapps which is old legacy qt4 stuff [00:12] and dolphin source which is a new qt5 version [00:15] that's what I thought, but the versioning is strange to me [00:16] just both part of a single kde app release, so they have the same. [00:17] internal versions will be different [00:19] helloo, can someone help me? I'd like to customize the way I move the windows to give it a mac effect, how can I install this? [00:20] alt+f2 and type effects [00:21] I dunno what "mac effect" is, but maybe you'll find one you like [00:26] lol coool [00:26] yeah I found what I wanted, it's called woobly window [00:27] btw how can I make a snap of my OS? since I'm new to linux I'm afraid that I could mess up something [00:30] VitorLeSantos was removed by: VitorLeSantos [00:31] and btw how can I switch between virtual desktops? [01:00] I have a bit of an issue. I did a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.10, but now most of my ports seem to be blocked. Before I did the reinstall, this was not the case. I have a couple of port ranges which I wish to open for a few different servers and daemons that I am running. For example, I would like to SSH to my machine on port 22, and have a game server running on port 31294 (or there abouts) [01:00] To be clear, this is NOT a router issue, my router did not see a config change in a very long time [02:21] how can I minimize all the windows at once with the keyboard? [02:22] control+F12, found it [02:25] they are not minimized imo [02:25] this is show desktop effect and you see transparent part of the windows in the screen corners [02:25] afternoon everyone... Where is the lock screen clock.qml? The login screen is at:/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/components/ [02:25] there is a widget with button to minimize all windows [03:54] EventHorizon: The theme is in /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/lockscreen/, though it doesn't contact a clock.qml file. [03:58] afternoon. any idea where the lock screen clock.qml is located??? [04:13] What does the 'Activity Pager' widget that you can add to your task bar actually do? [04:13] I've added it but it doesn't seem to occupy any space so I can't even see it unless I modify the task bar settings. [04:21] Oh I think I get it, "Activities" are a container for workspaces. [07:10] how do I get my seagate 2TB formatted as exFAT to read on kubuntu? i search online and found out all i need to do is typed in sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils but nothing happens, terminal says Package exfat-utils is not available but is referred to by another package This may mean that the package is missing is obsoleted or is only available from another source [07:13] hello? anybody here [07:16] irctc353: what version of Kubuntu? [07:16] 16.10 [07:16] !info exfat-fuse [07:16] exfat-fuse (source: fuse-exfat): read and write exFAT driver for FUSE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4-1 (yakkety), package size 29 kB, installed size 78 kB (Only available for linux-any; kfreebsd-any) [07:17] !info exfat-utils [07:17] exfat-utils (source: exfat-utils): utilities to create, check, label and dump exFAT filesystem. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4-1 (yakkety), package size 47 kB, installed size 251 kB [07:17] did you do sudo apt update first? [07:18] you might try `sudo apt update && sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils` [07:19] its updating now [07:21] i guess i didnt do sudo update first [07:22] i have another question, i was searching for VLC on Software Center and cant find it [07:27] !info vlc [07:27] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.4-4 (yakkety), package size 2026 kB, installed size 6730 kB [07:28] irctc353: The software center is going through some growing pains as the moment and does not display all packages. [07:28] sudo apt install vlc should do the trick. [08:42] Hello, claydoh, Cueball, Khaotic and Elysion_..... Been a long time since I've seen you all. [08:44] I could use some help. I keep getting a notification icon in the popup button that shows battery and power settings. I would like to disable or remove that if possible. [10:58] yaay just upgraded via backports to 5.8.4! everything looking good [10:59] thank you so much everyone. [10:59] efloid: :) [11:01] <_Wens_> backports mean kubuntu-ppa/backports? [11:02] _Wens_: yes [11:02] <_Wens_> thanks [11:16] wow i remember kde v.3 years ago. i loved it. now we're at 5.8. so awesome [11:18] it was kind of a bumpy ride after 4, but now... wow - it's better than ever [11:27] Hi all! [11:28] I would like to request upgrading KDE Connect packege in xenail repository to at least 1.0 [11:28] where can I do it? [11:32] user|45049: kdeconnect 1.0.1 is in the kubuntu backports ppa. I'm told as far as I recall that it's too big a version change to put into the main ubuntu archive [11:37] I see. Thanks a lot acheronuk! [11:59] hi, I have a bug that can reproduce every time, but need debug symbols to create a usefull bug report. How can I install debug symbols for plasmashell, libtaskmanager, libtaskmanagerplugin and qt5qml in kubuntu zesty proposed? [12:16] javi_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages [12:26] acheronuk: thanks for that!, didn't know dbg packages had their own repo! (this wasn't the case before) === jordanred17 is now known as nonya === nonya is now known as jordanred17 [13:00] Anyone has a hint for some nice animated backgrounds for plasma desktop? [13:01] not here. I have enough trouble finding a normal one I like :P [13:04] yeah. I know what you mean. [13:04] Got some nice hires Space pics I use. But I remember xearth from old linux times, where you had a picture of earth rotating according to your time of the day etc. [13:04] Marble did that. But I don't find it for the latest plasma/integrated. [13:16] does anybody knows why removing an icon theme suggests you to remove codesc, unrelated software and what not ... http://pastebin.com/d3NQ1LV3 [13:17] are there any qt apps to manage fstab? [13:59] Hi folks [14:16] hi @all [14:17] hiho [14:17] i have a question about the kubuntu backports ppa. Currently there are packages from plasma 5.8. I thought they should only in backports-landing cause there are in testing. Did i miss something. Are they considered sable now? [14:17] stable ... i mean [14:42] carcinoma, your question is more appropriate for #kubuntu-devel [14:47] carcinoma: no, they should be in backports as devs moved them there [14:47] there was no official announcement yet as devs wanted to fix any issues reported by early bckports users [15:00] hi [15:02] soee: BluesKaj: so it is correct that they are in backports and backports-landing? Or should i re-ask in #kubuntu-devel? [15:02] i am trying to boot the live dvd, the kubuntu logo appears, then the screen shows funny colors, then a few lines about ring3 and ring0 took too long [15:02] probably a graphics card problem? [15:02] i googled and found radeon.dpm=1 boot option, which didnt change anything for me (couldnt boot) [15:04] carcinoma, not sure [15:05] carcinoma: it all in place, when packages from landing are tested they are copied to backports, than if devs have some fixes for them they apply them again in landing, testing them there and if all is fine again copy to backports [15:06] aton`_: sorry i have 0 experiance with radeons [15:08] aton`_, drop to a VT/TTY (ctl+alt+F1-F6), login and install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu [15:10] BluesKaj: ok i will try that [15:11] there is a small symbol in the lower mid of the screen, depicting a keyboad = a man [15:12] after that the kubuntu logo is displayed [15:12] when i switch to a vt, they are not ready by then [15:12] just a cursor, no prompt [15:15] whats the root password of the live dvd? [15:15] ring 0 stalled for more than xxx ms [15:15] rebooting [15:15] in radeon module [15:16] i dont have enough time to install anything [15:16] i need to disable the radeon module at boot [15:20] aton`_,sometimes F1 doesn't give you a VT/TTY, try ctl+alt+F2 [15:21] f1 is the graphics terminal [15:21] i was in f2 [15:24] the system boots fine, but then it tried to load the radeon module and that fails [15:26] can i somehow prevent x from starting on the live-dvd? === daniel is now known as Guest5640 [15:36] wow, using "nomodeset" worked [15:40] good [15:42] now installing on hd, i will try the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu then [15:43] are these the open source video drivers? [15:48] aton`_, yes [16:25] Hello! === hamid is now known as Guest96350 [16:26] hi Guest96350 === daniel is now known as Guest24451 [16:37] Hey BluesKaj, was checking what happened to nickname! will sort that out later. [16:37] Haudegen, did you register your nick? [16:38] oops Guest96350^ [16:38] No, just read about registration to server. [16:38] well, that's where one registers [16:39] Is it simple? I do it now or later? I have another question about upgrade. [16:39] I mean registration [16:39] ok , what's your question [16:39] Hello everybody :) [16:40] hi DunoCZ [16:40] Upgraded to 16.10 but uname -r returns 4.4.0-21-generic. [16:40] Shouldn't the kernel be upgraded to the latest stable? [16:40] Guest96350, have you updated and upgraded your packages since installing 16.10 [16:42] Well I have sudo do-release-upgrade [16:43] now do, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [16:45] Reading package lists... Done [16:45] Reading package lists... Done [16:45] Building dependency tree [16:45] Reading state information... Done [16:45] Calculating upgrade... Done [16:45] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [16:45] Guest96350, no need to post that [16:46] Ok! [16:47] Then what is wrong? [16:50] Guest96350, try sudo apt full-upgrade [16:52] same result [16:53] BluesKaj: yes. [16:54] soee, Haudegen typo 'd wrong nick [16:54] sorry that is [16:54] BluesKaj: No problem. [17:01] Guest96350, run lsb-release -r , what's the output? [17:01] correction lsb_release -r [17:03] Release: 16.10 [17:05] Guest96350, do you have update-manager-core installed? [17:07] No [17:07] install it [17:08] Thought it was a command [17:08] update-manager-core is already the newest version (1:16.10.8) === Guest96350 is now known as hamidrjafari [17:46] It's not really possible to have compressed file system without using ZFS or BTRFS right. [17:46] both are rather complicated for small images. [17:47] squashfs not really an option because needs to be writable. [17:54] jffs2 seems doable but I wonder. You can create jffs2 image file, then loopback device, then turn into mtd device, then mount that :p but wouldn't be easy to do using standard tools. [18:07] I could use squashfs and regular filesystem for modifications and then once in a time create a new squashfs based on changes :p. [18:07] with overlay === kubuntu is now known as Guest48210 === donnguyen-away is now known as donnguyen === donnguyen is now known as donnguyen-away [18:26] hello guys, I have a question: is there a chance to get my audio system to work?: HP Pavillion x2 detachable. [18:31] frische_luft, what does aplay -l in the terminal output? [18:31] paste the results in pastebin [18:32] !paste [18:32] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.kde.org | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:35] https://api.smartredirect.de/api_v2/ClickGate.php?p=mGrZ7Eo09S&k=5734f594f6d416dffd7fc7faa0599a1c&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.hp.com%2FGermanyStore%2FMerch%2FOffer.aspx%3Fp%3Dc-hp-pavilion-x2-10&q=hp+pavilion+x2+detachable+b+%26+o+audio+system [18:35] https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hv8JxX8K7Ul [18:36] I am sure I am not the only one who has kubuntu on this laptop (formerly Win10 ) [18:38] frische_luft, you have an outboard usb audio card?. what about the onboard audio? [18:38] yes, I have an usb soundcard. [18:39] internly there is the Bang & Olufson "Play sound system". [18:39] But with changing to kubuntu it didn´ t work anymore. [18:41] http://store.hp.com/GermanyStore/Merch/Offer.aspx?p=c-hp-pavilion-x2-10&utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=adgoal+DE&utm_content=0&jumpid=af_zky3rxgb21/site:adgoal+DE [18:41] frische_luft, lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" and pastbin the result [18:42] no info [18:43] opy and paste the string above including the quotes [18:43] copy [18:44] did it. but there is no answer. it just comes another command line with my login [18:45] frische_luft, ok, try, lspci -nn | grep -i audio [18:47] negative. no output, no info [18:48] Hello [18:48] I am new to kde [18:49] But what is akonadi and why it has so much processes running and takes so much ram? [18:53] https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0NzApNYgH4 [18:53] akonadi is a Personal Information Server for email contacts etc , mainly used in work environments , for home users it's usually uncessary [18:56] frische_luft, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, if the module/driver loads properly there will be no output [18:57] The mysql instance launched by akonadiserver takes ~850MB ram, which is very much [18:58] It is not optimized at all [18:59] do you need mysql ? [18:59] or akonadi [19:00] BluesKaj: I need none of them [19:00] But when I installed kubuntu it was installed [19:01] If I can have akonadi installed without being run it is acceptable [19:02] And about Akonadi, I think Mozilla Thunderbird is far more extensible than Akonadi. If I want to use a Personal Information Software I would prefer Thunderbird, even though it doesn't integrates with KDE well [19:03] BluesKaj: no, there is no output for this command [19:07] frische_luft, then you have the intel audio driver loaded , try a reboot [19:11] momken, you can go into system settings>startup&shutdown>desktop session, in the space below apps to be excluded from sessions type in akonadi-server, baloo, mysql [19:13] then apply of course, then you may have to reboot [19:14] ok,...BBL [19:15] BluesKaj: no info. What does it mean? That there is no intel driver? [19:16] frische_luft, it means the driver loaded [19:16] frische , this new install? [19:35] sintre: beg your pardon? [19:57] BluesKaj: thanks yo far, will let you know about the status. ( if you are here online regularely) [19:59] frische_luft, another try would be open alsamixer in the terminal amd disable automute plus set your volume ctls near 100%, and F6 to choose your souncard [20:00] BluesKaj: ok, will try this as well. [20:04] BluesKaj: I found that MySql taking 800MB ram was a bug of MySql 5.7.12. I am upgrading the system so that the MySql with be updated to 5.7.16 and the MySql ram usage will be ~200MB [20:05] momken, ok good, I'm not very knowledgeable about mysql and databases in general [20:07] BluesKaj: I asked from #kde channel. It seems that is a general bug of MySql configuration, even in Ubuntu server 16.04. It become fixed after update [20:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1576930 [20:07] Launchpad bug 1576930 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "Excessive consumption RAM of mysqld daemon in Ubuntu 16.04" [High,Confirmed] [20:08] momken, yes i saw you in #kde, they're very knowlegeable there [20:08] Yeah. [20:09] I spoke with you with the kubuntu__ user from live usb session of kubuntu yesterday. I said I am new to KDE and that previously I was using xfce [20:10] I am getting used to kde more each day. But still I am not that much used to it, compared to simple xfce [20:11] end of my comments :) [20:15] momken, KDE/Plasma is very flexible and configurable , much more so than Unity and the other flavours [20:25] in respond of a comment made yesterday and after a whole dayof attempting to install kubunu without success : no kubuntu is not doing fine ! [20:27] * BluesKaj turns on the ignore option === altin_ is now known as Guest81048 [21:20] momken: You can disable akonadi with akonadictl disable, I believe. [21:21] momken: You can't fully remove everything because Dolphin etc. depends on its libraries. [21:22] momken: but the general opinion is that it sucks rat's asses, I still don't know why they keep shipping it. [21:22] looked at thatprogram , he's right it eats up a boat load of ram with all its processes [21:22] never noticed it before [21:23] momken: the Fedora maintainer resolved a while a go to not do that program any more, calling it a load of shit or something. [21:23] why is the default font size in konsole so small, or do i need glasses? [21:23] have like 15 different related proccess all eating like 15-20 mb each here [21:24] i keep getting a wierd console crash everytime i open then close it it tells me it crashed [21:24] but spoeaking of that just increase the size , [21:24] then close it , it should open up same size next time or atleast mine does [21:27] blablabla: I was not a KDE user before. After booting to fedora, I thought it is only my opinion that Akonadi is useless [21:27] well seems to be a waste of ram for me [21:28] i guess i'm lucky i'm using a ssd in this older lappy other wiase i'd be choked [21:28] If at least Akonadi and the apps using it could connect to popular online services it could be good. But unfortunately it is not plugginable! [21:29] sintre: Yeah, Akonadi uses much ram, but the most of ram used is in the MySql instance it launches. After upgrading kubuntu to last packages, MySql ram usage should be decreased from 800MB to 200MB [21:30] Anyway a bare Kubuntu will use Around 700-800 MB ram, of which I guess 200-300 MB will be of Akonadi!!! [21:31] i easily see around 300 mb myself [21:31] why do we need some prloaded thing for notes lol [21:31] 30mb for notetaking? [21:32] another for newmail notfier? [21:32] lol silly stuff [21:48] I guess I should use ZFS for my thing. I just was a little bit beliggerent about having to learn something new ;-) (Weird sun syntax :p). [21:49] Instead I went for squashfs with a regular filesystem overlay for now. [21:50] That in itself is quite reasonable compression and you only have to recreate the squashfs now and then, which in itself is a chore, but maybe not so bad for now. === lethu_ is now known as lethu [21:58] blablabla: If you need compression for faster IO/ smaller size, you can also use Btrfs which supports lzo and gzip compressino methods. But ZFS is generally more superior I think. [21:59] yes I want to stay away from btrfs, thank you. I think zfs is a better choice too. [22:04] I just did not want to learn a new volume management system, I guess ;-). [22:05] a small container of some 1.1G will easily compress down to 380MB, which is quite nice, I think. [22:05] I mean an LXC container. [22:06] I even would have preferred to have a compressed container but those don't exist. [22:08] You know, a device mapper that would take an existing fixed-size block device (or image) and compress it in a way that it can be mapped and manipulated as a compressed source for that image. [22:08] greetings all. where is evince? [22:14] Hi Can anyone help me with at digikam question? Where does digikam store the Mysql db files? In the database settings I have /home/david/Pictures/, but I cannot find any files there. I am using Ubuntu 16.10 and digikam 5.3 [22:15] bruce__: Evince is default pdf-viewer of Ubuntu and other Gtk-based desktops [22:16] k lil problem here , everytime i close the konsole it gives me a pop up saying konsole crashed [22:16] using 16.04 with backports any ideas? [22:16] Here we have Okular which is much better than evince, specially that it has commenting and bookmarking option. [22:17] Except that Evince's printer preview option was better in xfce. In KDE I am not sure whether Okular has print preview or not, but in xfce it didn't have [22:17] sintre: I too see the same error for the the 1st line when running konsole &, but I do not have the "Invalid Context= "stock" line for icon theme: " errors. Try changing to a different icon set to see if anything improves. If not, change back. [22:18] Simply speaking, use Okular for reading/commenting Pdfs, and use Evince for printing :D [22:19] unfurtately , no go changed icon pack , and no konsole won't even load [22:19] again [22:20] starts to see the lil box at botton and busy cursor with new theme then disapears after 3 seconds [22:22] sintre: what version of plasma and qt does kinfo show? [22:22] 5.8.4 [22:23] framework 5.28.0 [22:23] qt 5.6.1 [22:26] sintre: can you create a temporary new user to see if the new user has the crashing problem? [22:27] well i'll give it a shot [22:30] logged in as guest gues my normal nickname still in sue by me [22:30] so lets try this [22:31] yep same crash [22:31] report [22:31] sintre, DarinMiller: I become able to turn off Akonadi startup upon boot by making "StartServer=false" in /home/momken/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc [22:32] After boot it only took ~400MB ram instead of ~800MB :D [22:32] cute wal paper though hehe , never logged in as guest before [22:32] momken> write that down for me :) [22:32] right now gotta get konsole workin again lol [22:33] yep same symptom after first use of konsole as well [22:34] won't open konsole again [22:34] this time gave me a sad face though [22:35] After setting "StartServer [22:35] https://thepasteb.in/p/Q1hBMJwvLDxS8 [22:36] After setting "StartServer=false" for Akonadi, now Kontact, KMail, etc. don't work correctly, which is good :)) [22:36] nice , i use none of those apps anyways :) [22:36] thunder bird and firefox [22:36] open the sad face. The information in the crash report may be of use Rik in akeronuk in kubuntu-devel. [22:37] its in link [22:38] sintre2: are you running the nvidia PPA? [22:38] I see you are using the NVidia 340 driver.... [22:38] this guest account is using whatever is generic [22:39] seems because its whining about drivers [22:39] same exact thing using nvidia drivers on msain account [22:39] some of the new packages work better with the patched nvidia drivers. [22:39] Give this a shot: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [22:40] thx will do , gotta run for now , gave all info maybe some ideas will come to somebody [22:40] probally is unique to me , but you need your konsole ya know :) [22:40] thx for trouble shooting , gonna go get some dinner [22:41] no, I have seen the issue myself but not for quite some time. [22:41] well my system is very old so maybe why [22:41] sintre2: ttl [22:41] nvidia 8400 gm nvidia mobile [22:41] core 2 duo 1.4 mz [22:41] 2 gigs of ram [22:41] this is my old work horse lappy [22:41] try the patched drivers in the link above. it should help (I have simialr card running drivers from the ppa, working fine). [22:42] i have a newer one i just got that i'll test out next couple days and see if it happens there [22:42] in guest accoutn wish i could copy and paste that , i assume you;ll be around next week or so? [22:42] your old system will work, just need to figure out the source of the chaos. :) [22:43] keep link in mind [22:43] :) yea it SHOULD work , we just gotta get it to hehe [22:44] have a good one [22:44] lmao [22:45] so using guest accoutn kept this account live lol [22:45] well i just learned something new