[01:13] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: what list?
[01:34] <Omnifrog> the nick list over there --->
[02:48] <minasota> ah, I thought you were referring to you Christmas list
[02:49] <Omnifrog> I don't have an xmas list
[02:49] <Omnifrog> I hate December
[02:49] <Omnifrog> HATE!
[02:50] <minasota> Omnifrog: if you haven't noticed, this group hasn't been serious about anything in a long time. It's really just a place to... I'm not sure, a place to lurk I guess
[02:50] <Omnifrog> lol, I noticed
[02:51] <Omnifrog> I've had several places like that in my tabs for decades
[02:51] <minasota> Most of the ~10 folks in here don't even use *buntu as their OS
[02:51] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: There's a nick list to my right?
[02:52] <Omnifrog> I only use it on one box in this house
[02:52] <minasota> cyberanger: lol, bar toggle nicklist :p
[02:52] <Omnifrog> wait, I think my youngest son uses ubuntu
[02:52] <cyberanger> minasota: what bar?
[02:53] <minasota> the one you have obviously just came back from... :)
[02:53] <Omnifrog> I'm using hexchat at the moment so the nick list is in the right pane
[02:54] <minasota> Omnifrog: using weechat, can toggle the nicklist off or on
[02:54] <minasota> I never use it
[02:54] <Omnifrog> I don't mind the nicklist being there
[02:55] <minasota> I think it's a waste of space
[02:55] <Omnifrog> some rooms I'm in I need the list to be there
[02:57] <minasota> A few years ago, maybe about around 2008 2009 this channel was actually active
[02:58] <Omnifrog> also, I just discovered that the Chattanooga maker space is alive again
[02:58] <Omnifrog> they have new digs in down town Chatt
[02:59] <minasota> I've never been to a group meeting or whatever. Always wanted to, I thought I could learn alot by actually talking and seeing what others are doing
[03:00] <cyberanger> minasota: using ii right this second.
[03:00] <minasota> cyberanger: ok...
[03:00] <cyberanger> no nick list in that client
[03:00] <cyberanger> minasota: you might like it, very minimalist
[03:01] <minasota> cyberanger: I like what works
[03:01] <cyberanger> ii works well ;-)
[03:01] <Omnifrog> I've thought about joining but I'm not sure I want to commit to a $50 a month membership to something I may rarely if ever use
[03:01] <minasota> cyberanger: if what I have isn't broken and it works for me...
[03:02] <cyberanger> I think we were active more recently than 09, but yeah there was a time where we really tried meetups and all, that'd be 2010 at the latest
[03:02] <cyberanger> I think
[03:02] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: I have the same problem with gym memberships too
[03:02]  * Omnifrog is a GUI whore 
[03:02]  * cyberanger would like to point out Omnifrog said it.
[03:03] <minasota> haha
[03:03] <Omnifrog> it's true
[03:03] <Omnifrog> <-- lazy as fuck
[03:03] <minasota> cyberanger: no need for a gym membership. I can put together a plan for you
[03:04] <cyberanger> minasota: my current plan works perfectly, I plan to not work out for the rest of the year
[03:04] <minasota> cyberanger: not good
[03:04] <minasota> terrible plan
[03:05] <minasota> Think of your body as you would one of your servers
[03:05] <cyberanger> minasota: I don't plan for much of anything for the next 14 days
[03:05] <cyberanger> ;-)
[03:05] <Omnifrog> I subscribe to the Winnie The Pooh fitness plan
[03:06] <Omnifrog> When I up, down and touch the ground
[03:06] <Omnifrog> It puts me in the mood
[03:06] <Omnifrog> Up, down and touch the ground
[03:06] <Omnifrog> In the mood for food
[03:06] <minasota> cyberanger: I have no idea what you are hinting at, but I'm sure it makes sense to you ;)
[03:06] <Omnifrog> ...
[03:07] <cyberanger> I said for the rest of the year, that's just 14 days away
[03:07] <Omnifrog> sorry, I babysit my almost 3 year old grand daughter a lot
[03:07] <cyberanger> Seriously, work keeps me active enough right now, and when that doesn't Salvation Army does this time of year (they do year round anyways, but this is a bit more so)
[03:07] <minasota> cyberanger: I do good to know it's Saturday
[03:08] <minasota> I slept since yesterday
[03:08] <minasota> Omnifrog: skip the food, pour yourself a bourbon
[03:09] <cyberanger> I've thought about a new years resolution, but 2016's was to blog more, 351 days later I've not yet published a single post....
[03:09] <Omnifrog> I'm not a fan of the hard stuff
[03:09] <Omnifrog> I stick to beer
[03:09] <cyberanger> So if my 2017 Resolution was excerise....
[03:10] <Omnifrog> ok... EXCEPT if the liqueur is Disaranno
[03:11] <minasota> My new years resolution is to buy a pen, maybe a fountain pen or maybe just a cheap bic. regardless, the resolution is to not lose it and keep it the entire year
[03:11] <Omnifrog> then we may have a problem
[03:12] <minasota> It sounds simple, but how many people can actually keep the same pen the whole year
[03:12] <cyberanger> minasota: that's easy enough, if you aren't required to use it, Buy the pen on New Years, then on the 2nd, get a safe deposit box, then no matter what you can't lose the pen.
[03:12] <Omnifrog> my current favorite pen is the Pilot G-2 .07
[03:12] <cyberanger> Losing the key to the safe deposit box however....
[03:13] <minasota> cyberanger: uh, yeah... nevermind
[03:13] <Omnifrog> the Pilot G-2 .10 is useful if you need a bolder line
[03:14] <cyberanger> I've got a pen I keep with my wallet, Drivers License and Passport (I have a passport wallet, passport, passport card and driver's license is always in it with, unless I am applying for a visa or something)
[03:14] <Omnifrog> the .07 has a fine line and requires very little pressure
[03:14] <minasota> Omnifrog: I like the G-2 but where I work it takes on 'hey man can I borrow your pen' then you get busy doing something and BAM, it's gone
[03:15] <cyberanger> I've hat it break, run out of ink or something, but never lost it.
[03:15] <Omnifrog> NO ONE takes my pen
[03:15] <cyberanger> And I usually give out my other pen.
[03:16] <Omnifrog> I protect my pen like people protect their drug stash
[03:16] <minasota> Omnifrog: when you're in a confined space inspecting a bearing where no man has gone before... it's not hard
[03:17] <Omnifrog> and yes, I have had my precious pens for over a year running
[03:17] <Omnifrog> you can have my pen when you pry it from my cold dead hands
[03:17] <minasota> cyberanger: that would work for me if I never had to do anything other than sit or stand in a controlled environment
[03:18] <cyberanger> minasota has it a bit harder to hold onto in his work enviroment, presuming that's still the same....
[03:18] <minasota> cyberanger: don't test
[03:19] <Omnifrog> wait... inspecting a bearing?
[03:20] <cyberanger> mine isn't controlled, This year I've driven Semi's, so every security gate checking ID on entry and exit, airport security, customs and data centers.
[03:20] <Omnifrog> people are after your pens in bearing inspections?
[03:21] <minasota> cyberanger: so you have to get out your truck, ok. Or you have to walk thru a checkpoint, gasp.
[03:22] <minasota> Omnifrog: more like paint pens
[03:22] <cyberanger> Not just walk through, sign in, or sign a credit card slip (that's why the pen is with the wallet, seems like every signature involves ID or a Credit/Debit Card this year)
[03:23] <minasota> What if you don't own a CC
[03:23] <minasota> or is it company CC?
[03:23] <cyberanger> I nearly left it at TSA and their counterparts in Ireland this year.
[03:23] <Omnifrog> use bit coin, lol
[03:24] <minasota> Omnifrog: I sometimes find myself in a nacelle that houses a bearing most likely taller than the house you live in
[03:24] <cyberanger> Then replace CC with Debit, but it's harder for renting a car or (and for semi's it's a fuel card for buying Disel Fuel for the semi and doubles as an ATM card)
[03:25] <minasota> Just get a stamp lol
[03:25] <minasota> It's actually still a valid autho
[03:25] <cyberanger> Hotels too for that matter
[03:26] <Omnifrog> do you work on a starship minasota ?
[03:26] <cyberanger> Oh, and I did lose a cell phone to CATSA, but not the pen.
[03:26]  * cyberanger laughs....
[03:26] <Omnifrog> wait, they dont have bearing >.>
[03:26] <minasota> Omnifrog: in a galaxy far far away
[03:26] <Omnifrog> I'm team Star Trek
[03:27] <Omnifrog> we stay in this galaxy
[03:27] <minasota> Well, I'm determined to keep a pen the entire 365 days
[03:28] <Omnifrog> in at least 3 quadrants if this galaxy
[03:28] <Omnifrog> s/if/of
[03:28] <minasota> You gents have given me inspiration
[03:28] <cyberanger> CATSA being Canada's TSA (having said that, the cell was a cheap prepaid with a provider there, if I kept it it'd be in a drawer, so I wasn't exactly TRYING to keep it either)
[03:28] <minasota> If anything, I'll be damned if cyberanger can keep a pen for a year and I can't :)
[03:29] <Omnifrog> a mans pen is his .... well... pen
[03:30] <Omnifrog> I was gonna say castle but that would be stupid
[03:30] <cyberanger> Yeah, this pen I've had for 2 years, Christmas gift from an ex (What can I say, it's perfect with my wallet)
[03:30] <minasota> I do have a pen that I keep at home. I signed some things while in the military and I used to sign some sentimental docs afterwards
[03:31] <Omnifrog> I'm a former AF vet
[03:32] <minasota> what job?
[03:32] <Omnifrog> 94 AMU, 1st TAC
[03:32] <Omnifrog> crew chief
[03:32] <Omnifrog> F-15's
[03:32] <minasota> on which aircraft?
[03:32] <minasota> ah
[03:33] <Omnifrog> this was in the 80's
[03:33] <minasota> when did you get out?
[03:33] <Omnifrog> 86?
[03:33] <Omnifrog> maybe
[03:33] <minasota> How long did you serve?
[03:34] <Omnifrog> AF is a 4 year enlistment
[03:34] <Omnifrog> at least is was then
[03:34] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: 94th, that's Langly right?
[03:34] <Omnifrog> yep
[03:35] <cyberanger> It's F-22's now
[03:35] <minasota> Omnifrog: red x cert?
[03:35] <cyberanger> Sweet aircraft, both of them
[03:35] <Omnifrog> what?
[03:35] <minasota> cyberanger: they're at holloman
[03:35] <Omnifrog> they lost the F-15?
[03:36] <Omnifrog> F-15's are fucking awesome!
[03:36] <minasota> No, but the F-117 is no more. 22's moved in at Holloman
[03:36] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: in 05
[03:36] <Omnifrog> huh
[03:36] <cyberanger> minasota: 22's in a few places
[03:36] <minasota> ok
[03:37] <Omnifrog> I'm totally biased
[03:37] <minasota> Omnifrog: I was asking if you had red x certs, meaning, could you sign off on a X ?
[03:38] <Omnifrog> minasota, I dont remember red x being a thing back then
[03:38] <minasota> mx forms...
[03:38] <minasota> / - X   they havent changed
[03:38] <minasota> mx meaning maintenance
[03:39] <Omnifrog> my memory fais me
[03:39] <Omnifrog> fails
[03:40] <Omnifrog> it wasnt my chosen field
[03:40] <Omnifrog> lol
[03:40] <minasota> crew chief right?
[03:40] <Omnifrog> yeah
[03:41] <Omnifrog> I went in as an electronics/ computer specialist
[03:41] <minasota> so when you found a problem, there are three categories / - X
[03:41] <minasota> It hasn't changed since Adam
[03:41] <cyberanger> I know Langley and Elmendorf Have F-22's First hand, and I've heard Tyndall and Hickam have them too
[03:42] <Omnifrog> the day after I finished basic they told me my MOS pics were unavailable
[03:43] <Omnifrog> I had 3 choices. crew chief, plumber or go home on the next plane out
[03:43] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: sounds like the right call then.
[03:43] <Omnifrog> when you are 18 and you just got through basic training .... well...
[03:44] <Omnifrog> gotta make the call
[03:44] <cyberanger> I've also heard we've got them rotating into the Middle East somewhere, two intercepted a Syrian Su-24 over Hasakah.
[03:47] <Omnifrog> I pay very little attention to deployments
[03:47] <Omnifrog> ok, no attention
[03:50] <Omnifrog> these day I only pay attention to news from late night talk shows
[03:50] <Omnifrog> it's funny that way
[03:53] <cyberanger> I have an old work habit and don't pay attention to our deployments, but I still watch obscure news outlets and others deployments.
[03:54] <Omnifrog> whats' obscure?
[03:58] <Omnifrog> Linus's Law
[03:59] <Omnifrog> "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow"
[03:59] <Omnifrog> given enough websites all sites are obscure
[03:59] <cyberanger> Well, by obscure I mean not just CNN, Al Rai & Al Aan comes to mind.
[04:00] <Omnifrog> I don't pat attention to any of those
[04:00] <cyberanger> I think I follow 150+ news outlets
[04:01] <cyberanger> Or at least used to
[04:01] <Omnifrog> I think my feed list is around 80 sites
[04:01] <Omnifrog> yes, I still cling to RSS
[04:02] <cyberanger> For RSS, You and me both
[04:02] <Omnifrog> I don't care. I'm not giving it up
[04:03] <Omnifrog> I will die with an RSS feed list
[04:04] <Omnifrog> kids today might like their fancy twitter this and facebook that
[04:04] <Omnifrog> but NOT ME
[04:05] <Omnifrog> if an interesting tweet happens I'll see it in one of my RSS feeds
[04:10] <cyberanger> I deal with twitter too, for infosec news it's a godsend, but I use it and RSS together
[04:13]  * minasota likes his cl line newsbeuter
[04:14] <Omnifrog> I got a twitter account days after it went public
[04:14] <Omnifrog> never found a use for it
[04:14] <cyberanger> For me I think it was day one.
[04:15] <cyberanger> I could see back then how it'd be better than facebook for me (I had SMS access, but no reliable web access)
[04:19] <minasota> I just want relevant content, no flash, just the data. I want control over how it's displayed and from the sources I choose
[04:20] <Omnifrog> I want funny cat pics
[04:20] <cyberanger> I hear that, noscript and digg reader is what I've wound up using.
[04:21] <cyberanger> I'm working on migrating to something like ttrss but that's work in progress.
[04:27] <Omnifrog> no script, uBlock , ghostery and Privacy Badger here
[04:29] <Omnifrog> I dont know what order the filters get applied but browsing the interwebs is pretty calm and uneventful for me
[04:30] <cyberanger> NoScript, Ghostery, Privacy Badger, AdBlock Plus, HTTPS Everywhere and Foxyproxy
[04:30] <Omnifrog> I used to use AdBlock Plus
[04:31] <Omnifrog> but I heard bad things about that in /. comments
[04:31] <minasota> you might want to take a second look at adblock plus....
[04:32] <Omnifrog> I used adblock plus for a lond time
[04:32] <Omnifrog> long
[04:32] <Omnifrog> uBlock is a fork of adblock
[04:33] <Omnifrog> ok, there are 2 adblocks
[04:34] <Omnifrog> it's complicated
[04:34] <cyberanger> ./ had some valid points, but nothing a user couldn't adjust/configure
[04:34] <Omnifrog> but adblock plus started making deals with advertisers
[04:35] <Omnifrog> and uBlock forked off of that because of the deals
[04:36] <Omnifrog> adblock is different from adblock plus
[04:37] <Omnifrog> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/07/29/2152225/which-is-better-adblock-or-adblock-plus
[04:38] <cyberanger> Those deals are to be put on a whitelist I turned off
[04:38] <Omnifrog> but then later, adblock plus started doing the same shil
[04:38] <Omnifrog> shit
[04:39] <cyberanger> But they did turn the whitelist on by default
[04:41] <minasota> and the whitelist is populated by who?
[04:41]  * minasota dons his tin foil hat
[04:41] <Omnifrog> the whitelist is populated by the user
[04:42] <Omnifrog> in all 3 pluggins
[04:42] <minasota> yeah, I guess my humor was lost in ircexlation
[04:42] <Omnifrog> lol
[04:43] <Omnifrog> I'm sorry. the correct answer was Trump
[04:59] <minasota> Omnifrog: not a trump fan :)
[05:08] <cyberanger> I thought the correct answer was Clinton
[05:08] <cyberanger> I mean we already made a huge tribute to him, granted for political correctness we called it the washington monument.
[05:55] <Omnifrog> <-- not a drumph fan either
[05:55] <Omnifrog> Jon Oliver FTW
[05:58] <Omnifrog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ
[06:00] <Omnifrog> bed. me . now