[00:03] <DivingApple> I am in need of some help with repairing GRUB. I have encrypted my drive with SDA5 encryption and when GRUB boots normally and shows the password entry screen, I can't type. I can boot successfully via recovery mode
[00:03] <DivingApple> I've tried using BootRepair and it was unsuccessful
[00:04] <mixer93kg> hey i need some help, whe i try ubuntu livecd sound works but when i installed it, doesnt work
[00:05] <tomreyn> !sound | mixer93kg
[00:06] <tomreyn> DivingApple: what is "SDA5 encryption"?
[00:06] <CoderEurope> !PLAYERS
[00:07] <tomreyn> DivingApple: maybe you're referring to sda5, the fifth partition on your first hard disk.
[00:08] <tomreyn> DivingApple: which exact ubuntu version (should contian two dots) did you install?
[00:08] <mixer93kg> 16.04
[00:09] <DivingApple> I have installed 16.04 right now
[00:09] <tomreyn> 16.04.0 or 16.04.1 ?
[00:09] <DivingApple> I think the encryption is LUKS but I'm not certain. Its the full-disk encryption option they give you at initial installation
[00:09] <mixer93kg> i dont get it how it works on livecd but not when installed
[00:09] <tomreyn> DivingApple: the exact version number does not matter in case you fully upgraded it after installation.
[00:10] <tomreyn> mixer93kg: did you try the suggestions ubottu provided?
[00:10] <stan_man_can> Is it possible to make gmail my default mail client?
[00:10] <DivingApple> how can I easily check my version number?
[00:11] <tomreyn> DivingApple: in a terminal, type: lsb_release -d
[00:12] <DivingApple> typing in lsb release -d finds no command
[00:12] <tomreyn> type in "terminal", then run it. then in that type: lsb_release -d
[00:12] <\9> DivingApple: it's lsb_release with an underscore
[00:12] <DivingApple> nvm. I got it 16.04.1
[00:17] <yumbox> if i want to have an Ubuntu 14.04 installation, can I upgrade packages?
[00:18] <SchrodingersScat> !14.04
[00:18] <DivingApple> So I'm running 16.04.1 and when during the install wizard I encrypted my entire drive. Normally after I select Ubuntu in GRUB, it pulls up an 'enter password' screen, and I type in a password. However, recently I have been unable to type when that screen pulls up and am required to boot into recovery mode and type the password in there
[00:19] <yumbox> SchrodingersScat: that doesn't answer my question.
[00:19] <DivingApple> Sorry I was asking my own question, not trying to answer yours
[00:19] <SchrodingersScat> yumbox: it mentions support for 5 years, expect that to be security updates, etc. if you need !latest then see that.
[00:19] <DivingApple> whoops nvm
[00:20] <OerHeks> yumbox, yes, it is a supported LTS, so servers are up
[00:21] <yumbox> OerHeks: hmm, okay.
[00:21] <Sweepyoface> doesn't mean you shouldn't upgrade though
[00:21] <yumbox> after upgrading, I can't login anymore.
[00:22] <Sweepyoface> That tells us nothing
[00:22] <yumbox> the login manager sort of works, but after entering my password, the screen flashes, and im back at the login manager again.
[00:24] <yumbox> dmesg shows compiz having a segfault.
[00:24] <yumbox> after removing compiz, i can login, but i can get a completely blue screen except for the mouse cursor.
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[00:28] <xar-> .xyz is a tld now eh?
[00:28] <xar-> noice
[00:28] <yumbox> has been for a while
[00:29] <xar-> shrug, I live under a rock
[00:30] <xar-> glad to see people are using it wisely though
[00:31] <yumbox> pretty funny that the first time i try ubuntu in years, its a piece of shit
[00:31] <bazhang> yumbox, no cursing here
[00:31] <xar-> that's erm, productive
[00:32] <nicomachus> xar-: this is a family friendly channel.
[00:32] <xar-> huh?
[00:32] <nicomachus> sorry, meant to direct that at yumbox
[00:33] <yumbox> piece of doodoo?
[00:34] <bazhang> yumbox, please stay on topic here
[00:34] <bazhang> chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic yumbox
[00:35] <xar-> interestingly, I just decided to give the latest ubuntu a whirl in vbox, shutdown post-install, it's hung (in vbox)
[00:35] <xar-> no valid rapl domains found in package 0
[00:36] <xar-> 10/10 on the error message quality, would read again :D
[00:38] <xar-> ok, the bar on the left side of the screen (fresh install), there a way to move that thing
[00:38] <bazhang> xar-, is this unity
[00:38] <yumbox> https://askubuntu.com/questions/435623/problem-after-update-blue-screen-with-only-the-mouse-cursor#436054
[00:38] <xar-> whatever the default install provides, I have no idea
[00:38] <yumbox> this brings me one step closer
[00:38] <yumbox> but still no desktop
[00:40] <yumbox> guest login works now, but user login doesnt.
[00:42] <xar-> also is there a way to prevent maximizing a window being absorbed into the primary task bar, that doesn't sit well with me
[00:42] <Sweepyoface> Cron keeps giving me /bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")")
[00:43] <bekks> Sweepyoface: So show us your crontab entry.
[00:43] <Sweepyoface> https://hasteb.in/faliduqosi.pl
[00:44] <xar-> there's an amazon icon... what's that doing there? anyone know what the package is called that controls that?
[00:44] <xar-> that needs to go too
[00:44] <nicomachus> xar-: System Settings --> Privacy
[00:44] <nicomachus> xar-: what version of ubuntu?
[00:45] <xar-> 1604
[00:45] <gosta> if I want a dns. Where can i get a domain name for free ?`
[00:45] <yumbox> duckdns or nsupdate
[00:45] <Sweepyoface> You can get domains for like $1/yr
[00:45] <nicomachus> xar-: ok. Amazon scopes (and any others) should be disabled by default.
[00:46] <xar-> why is it even there though... lol
[00:46] <nicomachus> xar-: you can also completely remove them with package names unity-scope-* and unity-lens-*
[00:46] <gosta> ok.. i´ll check it out
[00:46] <gosta> ty
[00:46] <yumbox> xar-: money grab gone wrong
[00:46] <Sweepyoface> bekks, looks right to me, works when I do it in the terminal https://hasteb.in/raw/faliduqosi
[00:46] <nicomachus> yumbox: no.
[00:46] <nicomachus> !fud | yumbox
[00:46] <bazhang> yumbox, please stop with the chit chat here
[00:47] <yumbox> someone asks a question, i answered it.
[00:47] <yumbox> that's not chitchat.
[00:47] <bazhang> thats enough yumbox
[00:47] <bekks> Sweepyoface: BEsides the fact that your crontab shell doesn not have any environment variables set, not it is using bash. Create a bash shell script, use full path names, and run your script in the cron tab.
[00:47]  * xar- rubs yumbox, I appweciate joo
[00:48] <Sweepyoface> Well I can't really use echo like that in a script
[00:48] <bekks> Sweepyoface: Why not?
[00:48] <Sweepyoface> It just prints to stdout
[00:48] <Sweepyoface> the whole line
[00:48] <bazhang> this is support only xar-
[00:48] <bekks> Sweepyoface: Then fix your line.
[00:49] <bekks> Sweepyoface: Aint a big deal.
[00:49] <Sweepyoface> hold on
[00:49] <xar-> what happened, I got disconnected, I have joins, parts, quits, all suppressed
[00:49] <bekks> Sweepyoface: And use printf instead of echo.
[00:49] <Sweepyoface> I want the newline
[00:50] <bekks> Sweepyoface: You can have a newline using printf as well.
[00:50] <Sweepyoface> It'll do the same thing as echo though
[00:51] <Sweepyoface> oh wait a minute
[00:51] <yumbox> is there a shortcut to logout?
[00:51] <Sweepyoface> nvm, got it working
[00:51] <Sweepyoface> thanks
[00:51] <bekks> Sweepyoface: yw
[00:52] <xar-> alright, so anyways, it would seem unity is incompatible with my goals, how do I remove unity and replace it with something more... traditional?
[00:52] <bazhang> install gnome-shell xar-
[00:52] <xar-> alright, and how do I do that
[00:52] <bazhang> via apt xar-
[00:53] <joegiampaoli> Hello, trying to install nvidia legacy 304.132 from additional drivers. Card is integrated GeForce 6100 nForce 405, glxinfo & glxgears keep spitting the following error: "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[00:53] <xangua> Well gnome shell is no more "traditional"than unity
[00:54] <xar-> and... it's broken lol
[00:55] <joegiampaoli> Also programs like blender that require gl freeze...
[01:04] <sruli> hi, i just upgraded to a new amd radeon graphics card with 3 displays, (ubuntu 14.04) it does not recognise that i have 3 displays, how can i check if i have the open source drivers installed?
[01:05] <yumbox> okay, finally ive fixed it.
[01:05] <yumbox> ive you install Ubuntu 14.04 and upgrade all packages and unity stops working, this is what helped me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/476100/unity-and-the-tray-are-not-displayed-after-login
[01:07] <Fritigern> I have a bit of an issue. I did a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.10, but now most of my ports seem to be blocked. Before I did the reinstall, this was not the case. I have a couple of port ranges which I wish to open for a few different services that I am running. For example, I would like to SSH to my machine on port 22, and have a game server running on port 31294 (or there abouts)
[01:07] <nchambers> Fritigern, are they available over localhost?
[01:08] <Fritigern> To be clear, this is NOT a router issue, my router did not see a config change in a very long time. To make certain it's not the router I went back and double checked and the router's config hasn't changed.
[01:08] <Fritigern> Yes they are. Just not from the internet, like they were before my reinstall
[01:08] <nchambers> could be that your ISP started blocking those ports
[01:09] <nchambers> do you have ipfw, pf, or ufw installed?
[01:09] <Fritigern> I used http://mxtoolbox.com to do a quick portscan, and only port 80 seems to be working
[01:09] <Fritigern> *connectable
[01:10] <Fritigern> II only have the default stuffs, so UFW which is disabled by default
[01:10] <nchambers> right, so you either have a firewall or your ISP is blocking those ports
[01:10] <Fritigern> But to make sure i did sudo ufw disable, but that changed nothing
[01:10] <nchambers> then its probably your ISP
[01:11] <Fritigern> How can I tell?
[01:11] <nchambers> ask them
[01:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello everyone. Friendly Ubuntu core channel op speaking. Just a quick reminder to all of you that we're a channel specifically for Ubuntu support, not discussion or chitchat. #ubuntu-discuss is for on-topic discussion about Ubuntu and its many features; #ubuntu-offtopic is for chit-chat. For more, see the !ot factoid. Thanks!
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[01:17] <Guest81511> how do i instal ubintu
[01:18] <Guest81511> ubuntu
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest81511: Do you have a Live image?
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> !live
[01:19] <sruli> ubuntu 14.04 when i boot i have no usb (no keyboard), i always need to select my 3.16 kernel, how can i get usb to work on newer kernel?
[01:19] <deadmund> Is it possible to run a bash script when I turn my monitor (an HDTV connected via HDMI) on / off?
[01:19] <yumbox> what can I do to disable all remote services on a 14.04 ubuntu install?
[01:20] <deadmund> yumbox: "remote" service?
[01:20] <deadmund> yumbox: What are you referring to?
[01:20] <Disaster_Area> anyone know of a simple and sensible way to have my wallpaper change every minute or whatever etc. like a slideshow?
[01:20] <yumbox> deadmund: amazon, ebay, error report sending. basically any remote connection that i havent initiated manually.
[01:21] <deadmund> Disaster_Area: Have you tried this?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/134/how-do-i-create-a-desktop-wallpaper-slideshow
[01:21] <deadmund> yumbox: Well, there is no one single command.  One thing you could do is turn off your Internet connection.  But, I'm guessing that's a dealbreaker.
[01:21] <Disaster_Area> I'll have a look thx
[01:21] <yumbox> deadmund: yeah, haha.
[01:22] <deadmund> yumbox: You can run netstat -tupn to see a list of all current network connections.
[01:22] <deadmund> yumbox: Then you can look at tcpdump -X -i eth0 (assuming ethernet connection) to get more info
[01:23] <deadmund> Disaster_Area: sure
[01:23] <deadmund> Is it possible to run a bash script when I turn my monitor (an HDTV connected via HDMI) on / off?
[01:23] <netcrash> hello, I have ubuntu always installing 3.13 linux initrd on my system don't understand why since this was long removed , any ideas?
[01:23] <yumbox> deadmund: that's kinda impractical. i already remove the ebay unity things. and ive disabled everything in the system settings under privacy.
[01:24] <yumbox> is that enough?
[01:24] <Sweepyoface> deadmund, your computer doesn't know when you turn it on/off
[01:24] <Sweepyoface> only if you unplug the HDMI cable
[01:24] <sruli> ubuntu 14.04 when i boot i have no usb (no keyboard), i always need to select my 3.16 kernel, how can i get usb to work on newer kernel?
[01:25] <deadmund> yumbox: Are you concerned about network connections in general or privacy specifically?
[01:25] <deadmund> Sweepyoface: shiiiit.  K thx
[01:25] <yumbox> deadmund: privacy.
[01:26] <deadmund> yumbox: https://fixubuntu.com/
[01:26] <Disaster_Area> deadmund, that was great found a nice way to to do it with shotwell
[01:26] <Disaster_Area> ty
[01:26] <deadmund> Disaster_Area: No problem.  Glad you got it working!
[01:26] <xar-> fyi, removing unity and installing gnome-shell didn't work, it just drops me to a shell upon restart
[01:27] <yumbox> deadmund: pretty ridiculous that you need a third party tool to not have your data send to canonical. but thanks for the link!
[01:27] <Sweepyoface> i think you're overly paranoid
[01:28] <deadmund> yumbox: The third party tool is just an easy way to turn it off.  But yeah, the dash search stuff is controversial to say the least
[01:29] <xar-> it kinda sounds like O&O ShutUp 10, to disable all the microsoft telemtry stuff, nice link too deadmund
[01:30] <deadmund> xar-: 0&0 ??
[01:30] <xar-> www.oo-software.com
[01:31] <xar-> (don't work for them, they make some nice apps tho)
[01:31] <xar-> I was simply comparing the tooling you mentioned to it, since it jogged my memory
[01:32] <Sweepyoface> > not FOSS
[01:33] <xar-> omg there's an ubuntu mate fork
[01:33] <xar-> holy cheeseballs batman, why didn't you guys say so
[01:33] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty | netcrash
[01:34] <xar-> here I am trying to shoehorn unity and someone's already done the work with packaging MATE, sigh
[01:35] <sruli> i need some help with amd graphics card, it doesnt recognise that i have 3 displays, how do i see if the kernel identifies the card correctly, (want to try opensource first) ubuntu 14.04
[01:47] <imhs> 我尝试着安装了oh_my_zsh，按说它是和bash兼容的，但是在运行一个shell脚本的时候，抛出了command not found: complete,有什么解决办法吗
[01:49] <bazhang> imhs, here is english
[01:49] <bazhang> !cn | imhs
[01:53] <zzero1> question why the kill in this http://pastebin.com/NE39ChgN commands gives me kill: you need to specify whom to kill ?
[01:53] <nicomachus> xar-: honestly don't know how someone could not know about Ubuntu MATE, but ok.
[01:54] <nicomachus> a quick google search would have gotten you to the project page.
[01:57] <sruli> i need some help with amd graphics card, it doesnt recognise that i have 3 displays, how do i see if the kernel identifies the card correctly, (want to try opensource first) ubuntu 14.04
[01:58] <allspork> question: A package seems to be intermittently removed after reboot. Any idea? It's vim (compiled from source) that is installed with check install. I reinstalle the package locally and it works, but it should stay installed.
[01:59] <Amm0n> sruli, lspci -nnk |grep VGA -A3
[02:00] <sruli> Amm0n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23645804/
[02:01] <Amm0n> sruli, if you use this command without piping it through a pastebin gives more output?
[02:02] <sruli> Amm0n: did not pipe it, i copied and pasted it
[02:02] <Amm0n> sruli, oh wait a sec pls
[02:03] <sruli> Amm0n: before it showed less, but i tried to install the propitiatory drivers (failed unmet dependencies) and now it shows a secnd line
[02:06] <Amm0n> sruli, try lshw -c video
[02:08] <sruli> Amm0n: PCI (sysfs), thats all i get
[02:08] <Amm0n> sruli, Ubuntu version?
[02:08] <sruli> Amm0n: sorry, after a few secs i got more http://paste.ubuntu.com/23645844/ v 14.04
[02:15] <Amm0n> sruli, mach mal ein "sudo lspci -v -s 02:00.0"
[02:16] <Amm0n> sruli, oh sry in english: pls do the command above :P
[02:16] <netcrash> hello, I have ubuntu always installing 3.13 linux initrd on my system don't understand why since this was long removed , any ideas?
[02:17] <sruli> Amm0n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23645870/ - i understand a little german ;-)
[02:19] <Amm0n> sruli, it's a RX 460 right?
[02:19] <sruli> Amm0n: yes
[02:21] <imhs> Rookie question: Install the driver and configuration can use multiple monitors, right?
[02:21] <Amm0n> sruli, you are at this machine at the moment and have X working?
[02:22] <sruli> yes
[02:22] <sruli> Amm0n: ^
[02:23] <localhost_> ...
[02:25] <gosta> Hi. Im having problems with my crontab, cant make changes in it. even if im su..
[02:25] <Amm0n> sruli, only one Display is getting recognized?
[02:26] <Amm0n> imhs, yes you can, in many cases without installing anything
[02:26] <sruli> Amm0n: yes, 2 are on in mirror mode, 3rd is off, in display settings it only see one
[02:27] <sruli> Amm0n: thansk for helping, really desperate here
[02:29] <sruli> Amm0n: going for a reboot, 2-3 minutes
[02:30] <imhs> sruli, Did you try the xrandr command?
[02:41] <sruli> Amm0n: i'm back, any ideas how i can sort my graphics issue?
[02:42] <Antovsn> Да
[02:42] <Antovsn> Куку
[02:42] <Amm0n> sruli, i think your problem is that proper amdgpu support for your card comes with 16.04
[02:43] <bazhang> !ru | Antovsn
[02:43] <sruli> Amm0n: what about opensource?
[02:44] <timer1> Hi, I think I broke my linux totaly, may sombody can help me? My problem is about libs, package dependencies and a broken apt i think
[02:44] <Amm0n> sruli, let's see what "xrand" tells us
[02:45] <Ben64> timer1: describe your situation in detail to find out
[02:45] <sruli> Amm0n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23645949/
[02:46] <timer1> I started an upgrade of my linux and something went wrong i don't know why. At the moment I have an conflict of the libstdc++6, some package need the one of ubuntu 14.04 others of 16.04
[02:47] <Amm0n> sruli, not so much :/
[02:48] <timer1> Further more I, purged the  libstdc++6:amd64 and now apt only answer with "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:49] <timer1> wasn't a good idea, i know
[02:50] <sruli> Amm0n: i am not ready to upgrade to 16.03, too much of my config will break with systemd, do i give up on this card?
[02:50] <imhs> http://support.amd.com/zh-cn/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu+x86+64
[02:50] <Amm0n> sruli, do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf or any VGA related .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
[02:52] <sruli> Amm0n: no, dont even have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ dir
[02:53] <sruli> Amm0n: i dont see any .conf files in /etc/X11
[02:54] <imhs> I want to help, but English is not good, （⊙O⊙）…
[02:54] <sruli> Amm0n: found /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe
[02:55] <snowstorm> is it possible to connect a ubuntu server to an OpenVPN service (located onto a distant server)?
[02:56] <sruli> snowstorm: regular vpn connection, what the question
[02:57] <sruli> Amm0n: is it possible i am currently in failsafe mode? the res is 1920x1080 but no option to chang eit even to a lower one
[02:57] <imhs> sruli, you need shadowsocks
[02:57] <snowstorm> sruli: yes a regular vpn connection.  how should i start to connect my server to my vpn service
[02:58] <sruli> snowstorm: you have openvpn client installed on the server?
[02:59] <sruli> imhs: what is shadowsocks?
[02:59] <snowstorm> sruli: i can connect to distant server when in gui mode.  just can't succeed when using my home server (cli mode)
[03:00] <sruli> snowstorm: how are you trying from the cli?
[03:01] <snowstorm> sruli: i've installed openvpn, than started it pointing to my openvpn.conf file received from server which point to ca, key, etc files
[03:01] <sruli> Amm0n: i guess upgrade to 16.04 is my only way forward
[03:01] <Amm0n> sruli, you could try to use a modified xorg.conf. But this one is a little hard to me to walk someone through.
[03:02] <Amm0n> like so: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead
[03:02] <sruli> Amm0n: for me that would be so much easier then a upgrade
[03:02] <sruli> Amm0n: will read it nw
[03:02] <sruli> snowstorm: how do you try to connect from cli?
[03:02] <Amm0n> sruli, the Configuration using xorg.conf part
[03:03] <snowstorm> sruli: sudo openvpn client.conf
[03:03] <sruli> snowstorm: ubuntu 16.04?
[03:04] <sruli> Amm0n: i give up already, will upgrade to 16.04, really worried about the stuff that will break
[03:04] <imhs> Even if it can work, but the screen resolution still makes you headache
[03:04] <snowstorm> sruli: 14.04.4
[03:04] <Amm0n> sruli, what stuff are you worried about?
[03:06] <sruli> Amm0n: i have a service running in init.d which starts and mounts zfs raid 5 on luks.. i know in 16.04 init has been replaced with  systemd
[03:06] <sruli> snowstorm: try without sudo "nmcli con up id <cpn name>"
[03:06] <Amm0n> sruli, writing systemd service files is no withcrafting
[03:06] <Amm0n> *c
[03:07] <sruli> Amm0n: before i tried to install the amd propitiatory drivers, it failed, but before i upgrade i want to remove the packages it installed, whats the best way to find and remove?
[03:08] <sruli> snowstorm: that worked?
[03:09] <snowstorm> sruli: trying now
[03:09] <imhs> Synaptic Package Manager
[03:09] <sruli> Amm0n: to upgrade all i need is "do-release-upgrade" ?
[03:13] <Amm0n> sruli, if something failed upgrading: sudo dpkg --configure -a & sudo apt-get -f install & sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:13] <Amm0n> to upgrade to 16.04 backup your stuff and sudo do-release-upgrade
[03:14] <sruli> Amm0n: thanks
[03:15] <sruli> snowstorm: did you manage to connect?
[03:15] <snowstorm> sruli: no it hand and do not connect
[03:15] <sruli> snowstorm: what error did you get?
[03:16] <Amm0n> sruli, ah i forgot ppa-purge^ if there are any
[03:16] <sruli> Amm0n: the upgrade disables ppa's from what i see
[03:18] <Amm0n> sruli, good luck, i got to go now. Bye.
[03:18] <snowstorm> sruli: Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager......
[03:19] <snowstorm> sruli: followed by nmcli (0.9.8.8) and MetworkManager (unknown) version don't match....
[03:24] <sruli> snowstorm: if you want you can upgrade to a new version of network-manager (not supported by ubuntu) i use it it wirks much better then the ubuntu version https://launchpad.net/~lkundrak/+archive/ubuntu/network-manager-daily-stable after that try again
[03:25] <snowstorm> sruli: will try and see
[03:56] <crux0> What's the differences between /usr/sbin/service and /bin/systemctl?
[03:57] <crux0> If I start a service using /usr/sbin/service, can I stop that service with /bin/systemctl?
[04:01] <Geo> Hello- I just installed ubuntu on a new raid1 disk set that I inserted into an already running ubuntu box. the install failed when it tried to install GRUB onto the RAID disk. Now when I reboot, I'm getting the ash initramfs shell. How can I repair this failed install?
[04:01] <wangxiaoke> hello
[04:02] <wangxiaoke> is here someone?
[04:02] <EventHorizon> afternoon.  any idea where the lock screen clock.qml is located???
[04:02] <wangxiaoke> afternoon!
[04:06] <nomic> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4044404/Corbyn-s-Christmas-karaoke-meltdow
[04:06] <nomic> Corbyn's Christmas karaoke meltdown: Labour leader 'storms out' of party as rowdy MPs chant 'We want Tony' and video shows them singing Blair's 1997 election anthem 'Things Can Only Get Better'
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[04:06] <nomic> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
[04:06] <nomic> lol
[04:06] <nomic> "things can onloy get better"
[04:06] <nomic> was what was the song that they were all singing (labour) .. with the backing of the band, in 1997
[04:06] <nomic> (blair)
[04:23] <sruli> i tried upgrading 14.04 to 16.04, system hung in the middle now it doesnt boot properly, gets stuck before login screen, i booted live cd and tried to recover my ecryptfs "ecryptfs-recover-private" but i get n error "find /run/user/999/gvfs: permission denied.  find: file system loop detected: /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl is part of the same file system loop as /sys/kernel/debug."
[04:24] <kang0> Will bootable Linux pen drive work on Windows 8.1 tablet?
[04:25] <liiozx> /exit
[04:25] <rangemonger> kang0: depends on the tablet
[04:26] <rangemonger> why not try?
[04:26] <kang0> How? rangemonger
[04:26] <kang0> What to check in tablet?
[04:26] <kang0> I haven't yet created bootable drive
[04:26] <rangemonger> its worth a shot, you can run linux live off the usb stick to try it out
[04:27] <rangemonger> check what model of tab it is
[04:27] <rangemonger> mine, for example, doesnt work too great yet
[04:27] <kang0> If it didn't work I don't want to spare 1 or more hour to create bootable drive
[04:27] <rangemonger> asus t100taf
[04:27] <kang0> Why not working great?
[04:27] <rangemonger> it takes 5 min to make a bootable drive
[04:28] <rangemonger> touch screen drivers arent quite working yet, sounds not working
[04:28] <kang0> 5 mins only? Are you sure ? How? rangemonger
[04:29] <rangemonger> ive done it a bunch of times, as have many others
[04:29] <rangemonger> doesnt take long to make a bootable stick
[04:29] <kang0> Touch is required; I can ignore  sound
[04:30] <rangemonger> thats just my tab
[04:30] <rangemonger> yours might be better off
[04:30] <rangemonger> unless its the same one as mine
[04:30] <kang0> I am sure I have the worst tablet
[04:30] <kang0> That's why I am asking in detail
[04:31] <rangemonger> "worst" is subjective, it just depends on if there are good drivers made or not
[04:32] <kang0> 1gb ram from worst point of view
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> From experience, I will tell you if you are looking to interface specifically with a touch screen, your best bet will be to use GNOME.
[04:33] <rangemonger> kang0: the older the better, more likely to be supported well
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> we have many users having good experience with touch on unity7 and 8 also
[04:34] <kang0> SonikkuAmerica gnome is Linux?
[04:34] <kang0> 7" from worst point
[04:34] <kang0> What's unity
[04:35] <rangemonger> kang0: its one desktop environment on linux, one of many
[04:35] <rangemonger> unity too
[04:35] <rangemonger> too bad asus100taf's touch doesnt work right yet
[04:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> degarmo, so, you downloaded the drivers and you have to use cd in a terminal to get there.
[04:36] <rangemonger> some people are working on it but their drivers arent mainlined yet
[04:39] <SonikkuAmerica> kang0: GNOME is a desktop environment for Linux. Along with KDE, it's what people think of when they think of Linux on a desktop.
[04:41] <Bashing-om> kang0: 1 Gig of ram though, you want to go with a light desktop environment . unity and kde want 2 Gigs or more for a good experince .
[04:42] <rangemonger> indeed
[04:47] <sruli> does rsync copy hidden files by defaut?
[04:48] <kang0> Bashing-om which may be for 1gb ram
[04:49] <lauritzt[m]> sruli: Yes
[04:50] <Bashing-om> kang0: I favor : " Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware." .
[04:51] <rangemonger> Bashing-om: but it wont be touch freindly
[04:51] <rangemonger> everythings kind of small
[04:51] <astrat_> poker ace99
[04:52] <kang0> What do you mean by touch friendly
[04:52] <morf> touch screen support i guess
[04:52] <rangemonger> kang0: everythings kind of small
[04:52] <morf> wut? :)))
[04:53] <rangemonger> on lxde, everythings too small for a finger
[04:53] <morf> you can make pretty much everything on desktop small or big as you want
[04:53] <rangemonger> it would get annoying
[04:53] <rangemonger> but for someone whos new and confused, thats not the best way to start
[04:54] <xangua> You want a light desktop that is user friendly, xfce
[04:54] <AndChat|189569> Lxde
[04:55] <morf> AndChat|189569: this is not a flame lxde/lubuntu was already recommended
[04:55] <rangemonger> xangua: that is touch freindly
[04:55] <kang0> morf too small will make my problems worst as it's 7" tablet only
[04:56] <morf> kang0: you make icons / bar etc make big or small as you want
[04:56] <morf> font size etc
[04:56] <xangua> If what you want is an OS focused on touchscreen gestures, unity and gnome shell would be better candidates
[04:56] <kang0> Display resolution isn't much good on my tablet
[04:56] <rangemonger> i 2nd what xangus says
[04:57] <rangemonger> though unity will be slow on 1 gig
[04:57] <kang0> xangua my primary need is it should work with my low hardware spec and #2: touch should work in tablet
[04:58] <rangemonger> gnomes pretty much the best bet
[04:58] <xangua> kang0: touch should work is not the same as works with Ubuntu/Linux, you haven't tried then I guess?
[04:58] <rangemonger> they havent yet
[04:58] <rangemonger> try it
[04:58] <rangemonger> just run it live off the stick
[04:58] <rangemonger> give it a shot
[04:58] <xangua> A tablet? I don't like where this is going
[04:59] <rangemonger> lol
[04:59] <rangemonger> its hit and miss, yeah
[04:59] <rangemonger> mine tab was a miss
[04:59] <rangemonger> *my tab
[05:09] <eliot> ......
[05:10] <RonWhoCares> Could someone tell me where GTK UVC stores videos you capture?
[05:13] <eliot> 中文
[05:16] <rangemonger> RonWhoCares: guvcview?
[05:17] <RonWhoCares> rangemonger: Yes, I just did a 'capture video' with this.  Where is the video file created?
[05:18] <RonWhoCares> (what file path should I be looking in?)
[05:18] <rangemonger> ill grab my cam, one sec, ill find out
[05:20] <RonWhoCares> ok
[05:20] <RonWhoCares> Thank you very much.  I sure hope what I recorded saved.
[05:22] <rangemonger> crap, things not finding my cam
[05:22] <rangemonger> the app doesnt even launch without a cam
[05:23] <RonWhoCares> You have to have your USB web cam plugged into video-0
[05:23] <RonWhoCares> Try a different USB port
[05:25] <rangemonger> i cant, its a vm :P
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !zn | elio
[05:26] <RonWhoCares> Shoot :/
[05:26] <rangemonger> im still trying stuff
[05:28] <RonWhoCares> Can anyone else help
[05:29] <RonWhoCares> rangemonger: Do you know what file extension I could search for?
[05:29] <RonWhoCares> rangemonger: What were you going to do to find out?
[05:29] <rangemonger> i was just going to record a vid and see if i could find it, maybe do a file searhh
[05:29] <rangemonger> *search
[05:30] <rangemonger> i dont know, ive never used this app yet
[05:30] <RonWhoCares> rangemonger: Is there a command I could search recursively all files created within the past hour?
[05:30] <rangemonger> probably but i dont know it
[05:30] <rangemonger> its likely in your home dir somewhere
[05:34] <Bashing-om> RonWhoCares: Try: ' find ~/ -mmin -10 -type f ' replacing -10 with a more appropriate time to specify how far back find should go (from the current time).
[05:36] <RonWhoCares> Found it
[05:36] <rangemonger> nice, where?
[05:36] <RonWhoCares> It is in /home/rpiggott
[05:36] <rangemonger> ah
[05:37] <rangemonger> cool
[05:38] <RonWhoCares> No I just have 1 other problem.  It recorded me in mono
[05:38] <RonWhoCares> hopefully I can use audicity to export the audio in stereo
[05:42] <rangemonger> it might be a setting in the sound crontrol panel
[05:44] <RonWhoCares> I will have to look
[05:44] <RonWhoCares> I am wanting the video I just recorded to work
[05:45] <RonWhoCares> It is about 30 minutes long.  The video is titled "Support For The Uncertainty Caused By A Prolonged Illness".  My youTube channel is themed about my life with a long term physical disability
[05:47] <rangemonger> i see
[05:48] <rangemonger> if you want to keep talking about it, its cool, but the chan amins are going to complain
[06:15] <stein2843> lag is high means im offline?
[06:17] <rangemonger> nope, your online
[06:24] <Phase> I'm using ubuntu mate 16.04 and I can't get this overlay terminal thing off my screen. Pushing F11 just maximizes it and then brings it back to a small window, but I can't find the key to actually close it.
[06:24] <Phase> Any ideas? :D
[06:25] <Ben64> Phase: what overlay terminal thing
[06:25] <rangemonger> the quake syle one
[06:25] <rangemonger> f11 is usually a fullscreen key
[06:25] <rangemonger> so that wont fix it
[06:25] <rangemonger> ill boot up my mate vm and see whats up
[06:26] <Phase> quake style lol
[06:26] <rangemonger> well it kind of is
[06:26] <rangemonger> its in the syle of quakes console
[06:27] <Phase> oh true, yeah
[06:28] <rangemonger> whats it called again?
[06:30] <PsychoX75> Has anyone tried running an FTP server on Ubuntu?  Trying Vsftpd. Damn thing is the easiest to install. But creating a working user on it... well, lets just say its easier to shoot staples in my nails.
[06:30] <rangemonger> Phase: ^
[06:30] <Phase> rangemonger Honestly, I don't know
[06:30] <Phase> I'm looking at a ps output right now seeing if anything looks like it's it.
[06:30] <rangemonger> Phase: hmm, im on 16.10, im not sure its on here
[06:31] <Phase> hm
[06:31] <kk4ewt> systemctl status vsftpd
[06:31] <PsychoX75> kk4ewt: me?
[06:31] <kk4ewt> no the other person asking about ftp
[06:32] <rangemonger> kk4ewt: that was the person asking about ftp :P]
[06:32] <PsychoX75> 0_o
[06:33] <rangemonger> lol
[06:33] <rangemonger> oh snap, so it is possible to change tty on virtualbox
[06:33] <rangemonger> Phase: is it guake?
[06:34] <Phase> Found it!
[06:34] <Phase> it's `tilda`
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> PsychoX75: be carefull with ftp, its getting exploited worldwide
[06:35] <plytro> PsychoX75: scp server is better
[06:35] <Phase> which makes sense, `man tilda` and it says a terminal emulator in the style of old fps games
[06:35] <PsychoX75> the thing is
[06:35] <Phase> rangemonger ^
[06:35] <plytro> and if you want isolation you can run it in a VM or docker container only exposing the directories you want
[06:35] <PsychoX75> I'm setting this server up for some dumb Security cams that has to have a remote site to write their video files.
[06:35] <plytro> :(
[06:36] <plytro> I'd run the ftp server in an isolated container then
[06:36] <PsychoX75> now THAT caught my attention
[06:37] <PsychoX75> "isolated container" u say
[06:37] <PsychoX75> Like VmWare?
[06:37] <plytro> like docker
[06:37] <rangemonger> lxc
[06:37] <plytro> bsd jail
[06:37] <Phase> rangemonger: Thanks for helping me troubleshoot at least :)
[06:37] <rangemonger> PsychoX75: like VMs eh?
[06:38] <rangemonger> Phase: im about to get tilda... or did you get it to work?
[06:38] <PsychoX75> rangemonger: forget what i said.
[06:38] <plytro> rangemonger: guake uses ~ as the hotkey
[06:38] <PsychoX75> i just went googling.  :)
[06:38] <PsychoX75> For now I'll do this as a short test phase
[06:39] <plytro> https://hub.docker.com/r/webdevops/vsftp/
[06:39] <rangemonger> so its guake?
[06:39] <PsychoX75> stuff to read i guess.
[06:40] <PsychoX75> But seriously guys... I remember that setting up an FTP server (just to test) used to be quicker. But I cant remember which was that other FTP server proggie i used in the past. I tried to avoid VSFTPD just because of the headache it gives.
[06:40] <Phase> rangemonger: It's tilda
[06:40] <Phase> rangemonger: I just killed the process to get rid of it, lol
[06:41] <rangemonger> lol, ok im going to get tilda
[06:41] <PsychoX75> can you name a couple of light-n-easy ftp server programs?  I know it wasnt Proftd. But what...oh...what was the name again?
[06:41] <Phase> lol
[06:41] <Phase> In a bit I'll probably look up how to actually use it
[06:41] <Phase> then it won't be an issue :P
[06:41] <rangemonger> im curious anyway, still getting it
[06:41] <Phase> Have fun :P
[06:42] <rangemonger> heh, i will
[06:42] <PsychoX75> then again... i just got a better idea.  Now i remembered that i can connect an USB stick to my router and let him do the damn job for now.
[06:42] <PsychoX75> brb
[06:44] <rangemonger> Phase: its f11+1 :P
[06:44] <rangemonger> f12
[06:44] <Phase> I tried that too :\
[06:44] <rangemonger> odd
[06:44] <rangemonger> hides/shows for me
[06:45] <Phase> this is a laptop, maybe something laptop-y is messing with it
[06:45] <Phase> like the function button, I dunno
[06:46] <rangemonger> also, its on 16.10 by default but it doesnt seem to have a gui icon
[06:46] <Phase> It doesn't have one on 16.04 either
[06:47] <rangemonger> whats the point in that :/
[06:47] <Phase> to be annoying :D
[06:48] <rangemonger> heh
[06:57] <sruli> i copied a dir using rsync, it shows that it completed, when i compare the 2 dirs the destination is ~10gb less, but when i count the files its exactly the same, original fs is ext4 destination is zfs, can this be the reason?
[06:57] <stein2843> so lag means what orz...
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> stein2843: ?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> sruli: perhaps the #rsync guys might know that1
[07:06] <plytro> sruli: yes that could be the reason
[07:06] <plytro> zfs may be doing de-dupe
[07:06] <Warrington> Just did a fresh install of 16.04 recently and I've noticed that windows aren't respect the boundaries of the desktop panel if it is positioned at the top
[07:06] <plytro> block size may be different
[07:06] <plytro> therefore size on disk reports differently
[07:08] <plytro> sruli: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+rsync+differnt+file+sizes&oq=linux+rsync+differnt+file+sizes
[07:08] <plytro> first hit
[07:08] <plytro> even with the typo
[07:10] <giuseppe_> ciao ciao
[07:11] <sruli> plytro: thanks
[07:18] <RonWhoCares> Good.  My new video is rendering
[07:39] <robotti^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[07:39] <robotti^> I have this same bug
[07:39] <robotti^> Is there fix for it?
[07:40] <cfhowlett> robotti^ read the bug report for same
[07:40] <robotti^> wifi applet does not show list WIFI aps after suspend
[07:41] <robotti^> cfhowlett: what you mean?
[07:41] <cfhowlett> robotti^, you asked if there's a fix.  read the bug report. "Fix released"!
[07:42] <robotti^> cfhowlett: but how to find solution?
[07:42] <cfhowlett> robotti^, .... "fix" = "solution"
[07:42] <robotti^> how to find that fix?
[07:42] <robotti^> :D
[07:42] <robotti^> I am meaning that
[07:43] <Jerry> Anyone know if 16.04 will work with cloudstack any time soon?
[07:43] <cfhowlett> look at the bug report. see "fix released"?  see the "I" next to "Fix Released"?  I = click here for more Information
[08:01] <robotti^> cfhowlett: It marked for fixed and I have newer fixed package. but bug still persist.
[08:01] <robotti^> so it is not fixed
[08:01] <robotti^> manual 'sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service' fixes things until next login/boot.
[08:02] <robotti^> but it is not really fix
[08:05] <Jakey3> can someone recommend a router to blend two internet connections?
[08:06] <Ben64> Jakey3: wrong channel
[08:06] <puffinz>  Jupiter routers makes super serial secure routers.
[08:06] <puffinz> NOT.
[08:06] <puffinz> Juniper
[08:09] <Jakey3> thanks
[08:14] <cfhowlett> robotti^, that is the official bug.  If there's a fix, that is where it will appear.
[08:15] <cfhowlett> subscribe to it and wait is the best I can suggest
[08:23] <robotti^> cfhowlett: It seems to be kernel issue. So how to update newer kernel?
[08:24] <cfhowlett> robotti^, sudo apt upgrade grabs all update ready packages including kernels.
[08:25] <Stryker87> Hi all
[08:25] <robotti^> cfhowlett: I have
[08:26] <robotti^> I have newest packages
[08:26] <cfhowlett> robotti^, note our issues to the bug report.
[08:27] <boblamont> Does anyone use Bluefish?
[08:27] <robotti^> It seems somebody have also updated kernel and it would not help
[08:27] <robotti^> cfhowlett: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[08:27] <robotti^> there was newer bug
[08:27] <robotti^> about that
[08:27] <robotti^> it is not fixed
[08:28] <Stryker87> Hey peeps have a laptop with AMD Radeon HD 5650 gpu whats the best driver for it in 16.04 and how do i install it, only have a 1024x768 screen resolution
[08:28] <cfhowlett> boblamont, avoid DAE type questions. for clarity and answers, post YOUR issues and YOUR hardware specifications
[08:28] <Stryker87> ....option while its a 1366x768 screen
[08:28] <cfhowlett> !mad | Stryker87
[08:28] <cfhowlett> !amd
[08:29] <Stryker87> So i use the amdgpu driver?
[08:30] <Stryker87> Sorry for the noobness, Window user trying to go full linux :D
[08:31] <boblamont> I'm sure it's easy, but I'm trying to create a snippet that matches ( .) and turns it uppercase. It's easy to do manual, because of the "Replace Type" menu, but I don't know what syntax is appropriate for the snippets.
[08:34] <nchambers> if I ssh into a server as user $x, I know how to login to user $y, but after logging into user $y, is there a way to delete user $x from user $y? just running deluser doesn't work, since im originally connected to the server as user $x
[08:34] <Ben64> nchambers: you have to not be logged into x at all to delete
[08:35] <nchambers> yeah thats what I figured :/
[08:35] <nchambers> I completely log out of $x right now, but was hoping theres a way where I don't have to do it
[08:35] <aum> anyone know how to get a version of sflphone that works in ubuntu 16.10 (xenial)
[08:35] <lok> who was helping me for bootable linux selection for tablet?
[08:37] <rangemonger> might have been me but you had a different user name
[08:37] <lok> there were couple of other guys also
[08:38] <Ben64> aum: looks like the package got removed between 15.10 and 16.04
[08:39] <lok> correct name is om
[08:39] <somethingsomethi> My emacs has a stupid empty space before the main screen (canvas) http://imgur.com/a/ug0aF How can I fix it?
[08:40] <puffinz> muh names durreellllllll
[08:40] <aum> Ben64, that really really sucks - SFLPhone was about the only decent graphical VoIP client
[08:40] <Phase> SFLPhone is now Ring.
[08:40] <Phase> https://ring.cx/en/download/gnu-linux
[08:41] <aum> Phase, thanks
[08:41] <Phase> you're welcome :)
[08:42] <aum> except ring doesn't seem to be on 16.04 repos
[08:42] <stein2843> how to turn off entry prompt
[08:42] <aum> oh wait - distro-specific instructions
[08:46] <aum> actually, ring sucks too - doesn't support plain SIP connections
[08:49] <nchambers> do things in the /etc/sudoers.d directory overwrite what appears initially in the /etc/sudoers file?
[08:52] <ducasse> nchambers: individual files in /etc/sudoers.d are parsed as additions to /etc/sudoers
[08:53] <nchambers> right, but do those additions replace any directive that was already there?
[08:55] <ducasse> that would depend on the addition, the files are basically cat'ed in at the appropriate #inlude directive
[08:55] <ducasse> *#include
[08:56] <ducasse> nchambers: they might override earlier entries, they don't overwrite them.
[08:56] <nchambers> ok great. thanks
[09:10] <somethingsomethi> My emacs has a stupid empty space before the main screen (canvas) http://imgur.com/a/ug0aF How can I fix it?
[09:11] <thadtheman> I want to mount a USB pendrive without root from the commandline.
[09:21] <mitsakos> hi
[09:23] <dikiaap> oi
[09:23] <AlphaOmega> hello, and help!
[09:23] <rangemonger> sup
[09:23] <cfhowlett> !help | AlphaOmega
[09:24] <AlphaOmega> ty cfhowlett
[09:26] <AlphaOmega> I was looking at 2 failures during load-up viz. qemu-kvm exit-code : 5, systemd-remount-fs exit-code : 1    I fixed the first by disabling the service and the second by updating the UUID in /etc/fstab.    But right after updating the UUID, somehow everytime I run sudo I get this message "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"..    Now how do I fix this???
[09:28] <AlphaOmega> also, the SUDO_ASKPASS environment variable is empty
[09:28] <rangemonger> hmm, this one goes over my head
[09:29] <rangemonger> hopefully someone else is awake here
[09:29] <AlphaOmega> somehow, i don't have a /etc/sudo.conf file.. :(
[09:29] <AlphaOmega> an example file is present at /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudo.conf
[09:30] <rangemonger> you can make one
[09:30] <rangemonger> with... oh what was it
[09:30] <rangemonger> X -configure, maybe
[09:30] <AlphaOmega> i'd rather use the example file.. kinda spooked with commands that generate configs
[09:32] <lok> i was disconnected
[09:33] <AlphaOmega> lok, can you help me out?
[09:33] <lok> tellmme AlphaOmega
[09:34] <AlphaOmega> somehow everytime I run sudo I get this message "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"..    Now how do I fix this???
[09:34] <AlphaOmega> also, the SUDO_ASKPASS environment variable is empty
[09:34] <AlphaOmega> somehow, i don't have a /etc/sudo.conf file.. :(     and an example file is present at /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudo.conf
[09:38] <robotti^> does anybody here know about acpi things?
[09:41] <robotti^> I have problem with backlight keyboard on my keyboard
[09:42]  * AlphaOmega is inexperienced with acpi
[09:42] <robotti^> when I leave my laptop for while alone it will dim screen but it will enable keyboard backlight
[09:42] <fuzzybear3965> I have a user running a particular process (command line) but I need to restart the display manager.
 Is that okay?
 Will the user's task terminate?
 He's ffmpeg-ing in tmux and I want to `systemctl restart lightdm`.
[09:42] <fuzzybear3965> Sorry, you guys. I'm moving this question from #linux.
[09:42] <robotti^> How I can disable keyboard backlight from acpi battery behavior?
[09:43] <yaroslav> Hi. I use kde neon 5.8.4. I've tried to install veracrypt and get this error: Verifying archive integrity...  100%   All good.
[09:43] <yaroslav> Uncompressing VeraCrypt 1.19 Installer  100%
[09:43] <yaroslav> QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
[09:43] <robotti^> I want to enable keyboard backlight by software.
[09:43] <yaroslav> how to fix it?
[09:43] <robotti^> I do not want
[09:44] <AlphaOmega> yaroslav: by setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to a value expected by veracrypt?
[09:44] <bazhang> !info veracrypt
[09:45] <bazhang> why not ask in a veracrypt channel then
[09:45] <bazhang>  /msg alis list veracrypt  to find one
[09:45] <AlphaOmega> does anyone have a copy of 'uncustomized/unedited' /etc/sudo.conf?
[09:46] <ducasse> yaroslav: kde neon is not supported here
[09:46] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: i might i have VMs with fresh installs of 'buntus
[09:46] <rangemonger> yaroslav: go to #kdeneon
[09:46] <rangemonger> yaroslav: go to or was it #kde-neon
[09:46] <AlphaOmega> can you look for and drop it to paste.ubuntu.com?
[09:47] <rangemonger> *or was it
[09:47] <usil> hello. Why I don't have any premmison
[09:47] <usil> cd Documents/
[09:47] <usil> bash: cd: Documents/: Permission denied
[09:47] <AlphaOmega> rangemonger: can you look for and drop it to paste.ubuntu.com?
[09:47] <usil> I'm the owner of files
[09:47] <AlphaOmega> usil: ls -l Documents/
[09:47] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: ok
[09:47] <AlphaOmega> usil: show what's the output
[09:47] <usil> ls -l Documents/
[09:47] <usil> total 0
[09:47] <ducasse> usil: ls -ld Documents
[09:48] <usil> ducasse: ls -ld Documents/
[09:48] <usil> drw-rw-r-- 2 slani slani 4096 Dez 18 00:20 Documents/
[09:48] <AlphaOmega> there we go
[09:48] <ducasse> usil: chmod +x Documents
[09:48] <gpio> the x factor
[09:48] <AlphaOmega> chmod a+x Documents
[09:48] <AlphaOmega> yep
[09:49] <AlphaOmega> usil: it's not that you don't have permission, it's that your folder is 'locked'
[09:49] <cfhowlett> encryption???
[09:49] <AlphaOmega> cfhowlett: wuht??
[09:49] <usil> AlphaOmega: why my folder is 'locked'
[09:49] <ducasse> more likely _someone_ has messed with the permissions. i suspect pebcak.
[09:50] <cfhowlett> :)
[09:50] <AlphaOmega> any directory missing an eXecute permission cannot be opened.. File permission basics
[09:50] <usil> AlphaOmega: becaseu all my folders in home folder are 'locked'
[09:50] <usil> that is a problem
[09:50] <ducasse> usil: that does not happen by itself.
[09:50] <AlphaOmega> ou.. looks like you or some script ran a chmod a-x * on your home directory
[09:51] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: fresh install, that files non existent
[09:51] <usil> ducasse: I know. Thath is a problem
[09:51] <AlphaOmega> rangemonger: can you see the output of `echo $SUDO_ASKPASS`?
[09:51] <rangemonger> ok, one sec
[09:51] <usil> Can this be contected that my home foled is encrypted
[09:52] <Ben64> usil: no
[09:52] <AlphaOmega> no
[09:52] <Ben64> be more careful with chmod and wildcards
[09:52] <usil> I made a new install and the first time I choose encrypt home folder.
[09:52] <Ben64> unrelated
[09:52] <usil> And this is a firts time I encouter with this problem
[09:52] <AlphaOmega> maybe the install scripts have this tiny little caveat?
[09:53] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: it outputs nothing, just goes to a new line
[09:53] <AlphaOmega> rangemonger: what about the /etc/sudoers file? does it include a special line?
[09:54] <AlphaOmega> usil: show the output of `cat ~/.bash_history | grep chmod`
[09:54] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: /etc/sudoers.d/ ?
[09:55] <usil> AlphaOmega: chmod  755 vimlua
[09:55] <usil> chmod 644 *
[09:55] <usil> chmod 655 *
[09:55] <usil> chmod 666 *
[09:55] <usil> chmod 644 *
[09:55] <usil> chmod  664 *
[09:55] <AlphaOmega> rangemonger: if there is something more than a README file inside sudoers.d, then that too.. but I want to see a copy of /etc/sudoers (file)
[09:56] <usil> AlphaOmega: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23647127/
[09:56] <AlphaOmega> usil: there we go... a chmod setting permissions without eXecute bit (even number trio) on everything in the current directory
[09:56] <AlphaOmega> you did do that yourself
[09:57] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: just the readme
[09:57] <AlphaOmega> rangemonger: forget the sudoers.d folder then.. i wanna see the /etc/sudoers (this is a file)
[09:58] <rangemonger> AlphaOmega: i  dont have that file
[09:58] <AlphaOmega> is it a live cd
[09:59] <rangemonger> not at the moment
[09:59] <rangemonger> its an install
[09:59] <Ben64> is it ubuntu
[09:59] <AlphaOmega> it is a sudo user, right?
[09:59] <usil> AlphaOmega: thanks :D
[10:00] <AlphaOmega> as Ben64 said : <Ben64> be more careful with chmod and wildcards
[10:02]  * gpio posted sudoers on paste.ubuntu.com
[10:03] <usil> ducasse: ups. I make a mistake
[10:04] <ducasse> usil: we all do.
[10:05] <AlphaOmega> nevermind
[10:05] <AlphaOmega> fixed that
[10:05] <AlphaOmega> again, without a /etc/sudo.conf or SUDO_ASKPASS env variable
[10:06] <AlphaOmega> anyway, ty folks.. much appreciated. ty rangemonger
[10:06] <rangemonger> no prob
[10:15] <Baidu> joined
[10:16] <Dreaman> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23647192/   :)~
[10:18] <puffinz> What are the big differences between Debian and Ubuntu?
[10:18] <Dreaman> ubuntu is debian
[10:19] <Dreaman> mint is ubuntu
[10:19] <Dreaman> nothing
[10:19] <puffinz> Im sure there must be some differences
[10:19] <cfhowlett> Dreaman, false.  this is the support channel.  ask your questions and do not spread disinformation.
[10:20] <Dreaman> disinformation is
[10:20] <cfhowlett> Dreaman, ask your ubuntu questions
[10:20] <puffinz> I just dont see many differences, maybe im talkin in circles ;)
[10:20]  * puffinz trots away 
[10:21] <Dreaman> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23647192/  cfhowlett nothing i just install ubuntu in my new laptop
[10:21] <Dreaman> a not a lame
[10:21] <cfhowlett> this is not channel for chitchat.  take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:21] <Dreaman> ok
[10:22] <Dreaman> thenks
[10:22] <backbox> hi
[10:56] <Cust0sLimen> .
[11:04] <smeert> hey guys
[11:05] <smeert> installed ned software raid to my computer. tips on how to use it? I mean how to format is as ext4 and mount it to something?
[11:22] <Mouaad> hello, why the package linux-image-generic-lts-yakkety has been deleted from canonical-kernel-team/ppa? and should I continue to use it ?
[11:34] <testml> hello wtf is wrong with 16.* ?
[11:34] <testml> how do you ship broken kernels?
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> testml  mind your language and start from the beginning, what brings you here
[11:34] <testml> ?
[11:36] <rangemonger> the kerns not broken
[11:36] <rangemonger> a bunch of people are using it just fine so it cant be
[11:40] <breitburg_> hi
[11:41] <testml> well it appears the bug is in intel x video driver
[11:42] <tomreyn> Mouaad: have your read the description at https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ?
[11:43] <tomreyn> this PPA is not supported here, and probably nowhere else either
[11:52] <ubuntu832> when i delete files from a separate disk the files don't show up in trash and instead go to a local .trash-0 or .trash-1000 how can i have it show up in main trash?
[11:53] <Ben64> ubuntu832: you don't
[11:53] <bekks> ubuntu832: "separate disk" - thats an USB disk?
[11:53] <ubuntu832> from either external disk or separate internal disk in the system
[11:54] <ubuntu832> it's a new install and i think i messed up something while trying out file managers
[11:54] <oteg> anybody here?
[11:54] <bekks> oteg: Look at "/names", so ye.
[11:54] <bekks> *yes
[11:54] <ubuntu832> when i delete files from a separate disk or a separate partition it doesn't show in trash, i have to hunt down the local .trash folder and manually delete
[11:56] <oteg> guys, you arent afraid of anybody can knows your ip?
[11:56] <oteg> hmm?
[11:56] <bekks> oteg: Whats your actual ubuntu support question please?
[11:57] <oteg> i havent, i just asked, because this is intresting
[11:57] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: thats normal, even win does that
[11:58] <whitesquall> oteg: is it bad?
[11:58] <ubuntu832> This wasn't the case with my old ubuntu install though
[11:58] <ubuntu832> rangemonger:
[11:58] <oteg> yes
[11:58] <oteg> i just collect ip-s
[11:58] <supardi> morning kkkk
[11:58] <ubuntu832> i could delete files from my external drive or from my windows partition and it would show up in my trash folder
[11:58] <netcrash> hello, I have ubuntu always installing 3.13 linux initrd on my system don't understand why since this was long removed , any ideas?
[11:58] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: certain file manager might do it differently
[11:59] <rangemonger> its an option on pcmanfm
[11:59] <ubuntu832> I've tried thunar and nemo
[11:59] <ubuntu832> oh really
[11:59] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[11:59] <ubuntu832> i'll have to try pcmanfm if all fails
[11:59] <bugtraq> hi
[11:59] <ubuntu832> but nemo on my old install never gave this issue
[12:00] <bugtraq> i need a keyloger pls
[12:00] <ubuntu832> and i hated thunar because when i tried to merge folders it doesn't know how it just makes another copy of it
[12:00] <supardi> ubuntu  ,.. run  old my pc  ,...  amazyng
[12:00] <ubuntu832> ridiculous
[12:01] <rangemonger> lol wut
[12:01] <rangemonger> thats weird
[12:01] <ubuntu832> that's what i thought
[12:01] <ubuntu832> so i installed nemo instead
[12:02] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: how can I view that? ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't have any terminal ...
[12:02] <ubuntu832> im trying out xubuntu atm but im thinking about going back and installing xfce over stock ubuntu instead if it keeps giving me issues like this
[12:02] <supardi> ubuntu  ,.. run  my old pc  ,...  amazing ,...  fast  respec
[12:02] <bekks> ubuntu832: xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce. As long as you will be using xfce, the issue will persist.
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  open a terminal and type    cat /etc/issue
[12:03] <ubuntu832> well i remember running xfce over my ubuntu and it didn't have this particular issue in the past
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  use ctrl-alt-t to open a terminal
[12:03] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: huh, i have a clean xubuntu install, im not seeing massive problems
[12:03] <ubuntu832> im wondering if its because xubuntu comes with thunar as the file manager by default
[12:04] <bekks> ubuntu832: xubuntu AND xfce come with thunar.
[12:04] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: when you delete files from a different disk/partition does it go to main trash?
[12:04] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: likely thunar/a thunar setting
[12:04] <ubuntu832> hmmm...
[12:04] <rangemonger> let me check
[12:04] <ubuntu832> I've tried googling but the answers I've found have all been workarounds and not a real solution
[12:04] <rangemonger> booting the xubuntu vm....
[12:04] <ubuntu832> the ones that i found are "just delete using shift-del"
[12:05] <ubuntu832> which isn't a real answer for continued functionality imo
[12:05] <rangemonger> yeah, thats not a real answer
[12:05] <rangemonger> boo-urns to that
[12:05] <bekks> shift-del does something totally different than putting things to trash.
[12:05] <rangemonger> shift del = nuke it on the spot
[12:05] <ubuntu832> yerp
[12:05] <ubuntu832> that's why I'm here :D
[12:06] <ubuntu832> there must be a real solution to it... it doesn't make sense deleting a file should be this complicated
[12:06] <Ben64> deleting isn't the problem though
[12:06] <bekks> ubuntu832: Deleting a file is trivial.
[12:07] <rangemonger> im going to have to make another partition, one sec
[12:07] <ubuntu832> well deleting it to the proper folder etc.
[12:07] <bekks> ubuntu832: You want a cumulated trash, which is a) different, and b) complicated
[12:07] <Ben64> no
[12:07] <Ben64> you don't delete something to a folder
[12:07] <rangemonger> its simple with pcmanfm
[12:07] <ubuntu832> bekks: it wasn't an issue on my old ubuntu install which is why it's more puzzling
[12:07] <bekks> ubuntu832: either you delete OR you put things into trash.
[12:07] <rangemonger> pcmanfm has an option to make .trash files on a removable
[12:08] <supardi> MADBOX  Sync Openbox  ,...   LXDE desk
[12:08] <ubuntu832> i had a laptop with w7/ubuntu and when i deleted files from w7/external it went into trash
[12:08] <ubuntu832> it didn't go to a separate .trash folder on the drive
[12:08] <bekks> ubuntu832: It did. That behaviour is as is for ages.
[12:09] <ubuntu832> bekks: i assure you it didn't lol
[12:09] <ubuntu832> otherwise my laptop would've been useless years ago
[12:09] <ubuntu832> it all showed up in my main trash folder on ubuntu
[12:09] <bekks> ubuntu832: If your workflow entirely relies on putting things into trash, I'd rethink that workflow instead.
[12:10] <Ben64> sure it might have showed up, but that's not the same thing as not being on the original drive
[12:10] <ubuntu832> Ben64: yer but the point was I could delete a file from anywhere and it would show in the main trash where i could delete for good, not hunt down a separate .trash folder on the drive to delete for good.
[12:11] <bekks> ubuntu832: It showd up there, but it was located on the external drive, still.
[12:11] <Ben64> if you want to delete something, why not just delete it to begin with
[12:11] <bekks> I second Ben64 at that point.
[12:11] <rangemonger> 3rd
[12:11] <Ben64> although the issue is probably thunar's fault
[12:11] <ubuntu832> hrm
[12:11] <ubuntu832> yea i agree Ben64
[12:11] <Ben64> works fine on my system here with nautilus
[12:11] <rangemonger> im about to try on thunar
[12:12] <ubuntu832> i prefer nemo over nautilus
[12:12] <rangemonger> making another part,
[12:12] <rangemonger> *partition
[12:12] <ubuntu832> im wondering if there's some kind of conflict with using nemo on xubuntu
[12:12] <bekks> I prefer terminal over graphical filemanagers.
[12:12] <bekks> ubuntu832: No, there is no conflict like that.
[12:12] <ubuntu832> bc as i understand it i can never completely remove thunar from xubuntu
[12:13] <rangemonger> aw crud
[12:13] <rangemonger> i cant resize
[12:13] <rangemonger> boo-urns
[12:13] <rangemonger> swapoff i say
[12:14] <rangemonger> making a new partition with that
[12:14] <ubuntu832> thx rangemonger
[12:15] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: no prob.... it just wants to delete things
[12:15] <rangemonger> not cool thunar, not cool
[12:15] <ubuntu832> lol right
[12:15] <rangemonger> maybe its a hidden setting in the config file for it
[12:16] <ubuntu832> I'm trying out xubuntu to maximize performance but i might end up going back to unity if this continues being an issue
[12:16] <rangemonger> but it doesnt appeart to be a visible setting
[12:16] <rangemonger> kde is my jam
[12:16] <rangemonger> so many options
[12:16] <ubuntu832> yeah?
[12:17] <ubuntu832> i do have a new machine but i want to keep it as minimal as possible
[12:17] <ubuntu832> hence xubuntu over ubuntu
[12:17] <Mouaad> Mouaad
[12:17] <ubuntu832> i considered lubuntu but it sounded like it kept things TOO low powered
[12:17] <ubuntu832> too minimal
[12:18] <Mouaad> anyone knows what may cause this error in the startup ? ([drm:amdgpu_cgs_get_firmware_info [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Failed to request firmware)
[12:18] <bekks> ubuntu832: Did you try it?
[12:18] <Mouaad> PS: im using kernel 4.9
[12:18] <ubuntu832> lubuntu?
[12:18] <bekks> ubuntu832: Yeah.
[12:18] <ubuntu832> no
[12:18] <bekks> ubuntu832: So you relied on rumours.
[12:18] <ubuntu832> rumours and from what i researched, yes.
[12:19] <rangemonger> lubuntu is pretty decent
[12:19] <rangemonger> im using lxde to run my hypervisor
[12:19] <rangemonger> unlike most linux peeps, i needs mah gui
[12:19] <ubuntu832> same
[12:20] <bekks> ubuntu832: Unless you tried it out, your reasearch was about rumours.
[12:20] <rangemonger> there are only so many commands i can type before i dont want to bother anymore
[12:20] <rangemonger> and this is from someone who started with dos 5
[12:20] <ubuntu832> i can reasonably extract my own conclusions w/o trying everything bekks
[12:21] <bekks> ubuntu832: I strongly doubt that.
[12:21] <ubuntu832> i'm considering going antergos
[12:21] <ubuntu832> sure is going on assumptions bekks
[12:22] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: what are you running? stock ubuntu?
[12:22] <exalt> Hello, i am used to working with colemak keyboad layout, when i install ubuntu as a guest in virtualbox with disk encryption i can not enter the valid key during boot. how can i set the correct console keyboad layout during installation ?
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> antergos is Arch, is what i read here
[12:22] <bekks> ubuntu832: Yeah, and your assumptions are quite different from reality, in terms of lubuntu, e.g.
[12:22] <bekks> MonkeyDust: Yes, Antergos is an Arch Linux fork.
[12:22] <ubuntu832> yeah MonkeyDust
[12:22] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: i installed a minimal ubuntu with no gui, added a bare lxde setup to it to host vbox and xen
[12:22] <rangemonger> under VMs, im running all sorts of OSs
[12:23] <ubuntu832> but the mini iso then?
[12:23] <rangemonger> yeah
[12:23] <ubuntu832> hrm
[12:23] <rangemonger> i started with that
[12:23] <ubuntu832> might try that route as well
[12:23] <rangemonger> i compiled it into an iso
[12:23] <ubuntu832> i tried arch and whatnot but I'm on wifi and have had issues getting the drivers set up for my wireless card
[12:24] <rangemonger> ah
[12:24] <ubuntu832> if i had a proper connection I'd give it a real go i think.  good tutorials online
[12:25] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu832  so you see, every distro (or OS) has its own issues
[12:25] <ubuntu832> yarp
[12:26] <ubuntu832> i didn't think this would've been a particular issue considering it worked fine in my unity setup
[12:26] <ubuntu832> out of all the issues i thought I'd run into this would've been on the bottom half of the list
[12:26] <rangemonger> its  a thunar issue
[12:27] <rangemonger> im going to see if the thunar config has an option
[12:27] <PCatinean> hey guys
[12:27] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: just fyi i still have issues when i delete stuff from nemo
[12:28] <PCatinean> I just ran find ./ -type f -readable -writable -exec sed -i "s/cybernetnews/cybernet/g" {} \; and I replaced stuff in .git files and now they are corrupt
[12:28] <ubuntu832> could it be that thunar running in the background is causing the issue?
[12:28] <PCatinean> any thingI can do to undo this?
[12:28] <rangemonger> wouldnt think so
[12:29] <bekks> PCatinean: Restore your backup.
[12:29] <rangemonger> yeah, this setup, for me is the ultimate
[12:29] <PCatinean> how?
[12:29] <kernello> hello everyone, I've been having problems with network-manager for a long while. it doesnt show wifi networks when waking up from sleep mode, or after wifi switch is turned off-on. sometimes it doesnt show the name of the connected network, either. and sometimes the wifi symbol on the upper pane is replaced by this: https://is.gd/kmhT5R
[12:29] <bekks> PCatinean: How did you create your backup before?
[12:29] <Ben64> PCatinean: and be more careful how you run commands like that in the future
[12:29] <rangemonger> now i just gotta move everthing over to xen for the icing
[12:30] <OerHeks> PCatinean, or reload the files from GIT and start over?
[12:30] <kernello> is there already a way to fix this?
[12:30] <ubuntu832> reinstall drivers?
[12:31] <kernello> ubuntu832, did you answer my question?
[12:31] <OerHeks> kernello, lots of issues with sleep and wifi, sometimes it takes up to a minute to reconnect, or find out what is going on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[12:31] <ubuntu832> that was my suggestion
[12:31] <rangemonger> wow, thunars config file has almost no options
[12:32] <ubuntu832> yeah not a fan of thunar so far
[12:33] <mgor> kernello, sometimes it helps to restart the network-manager service, this can be done automagically when waking up from sleep, http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade/761220#761220
[12:33] <kernello> mgor, I know that I can restart nm from terminal. this is what I've been doing dozens of times. but I want to solve this.
[12:34] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: another thought: the trash issue continues even when I'm deleting stuff from nemo; eg if i delete files from nemo from another partition it ends up in a separate .trash folder
[12:34] <kernello> it cannot be that I need to go to terminal every time I log into desktop
[12:34] <ubuntu832> im wondering if it's a disk ownership issue
[12:34] <mgor> kernello, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/1556357
[12:35] <ubuntu832> deleting files from /home goes straight to trash
[12:35] <rangemonger> im about to try the same thing on ubuntu
[12:35] <ubuntu832> it's the other partitions/disks that causes the problem
[12:36] <bekks> ubuntu832: Other files go to trash too, but are physically located elsewhere.
[12:36] <kernello> mgor, yes, I have had the problem since about the time it was first posted. seems unsolved yet.
[12:36] <bekks> ubuntu832: And this behaviour has been as is since the beginning of the universe.
[12:37] <ubuntu832> bekks: I'm not sure you get what i mean
[12:37] <mgor> kernello, yes, I had the same problem, but the workaround from askubuntu that I posted has solved, most of, the issue for me.
[12:37] <rangemonger> bekks: actually thunar just outright deletes them
[12:37] <rangemonger> i just tried it
[12:37] <ubuntu832> old ubuntu: deleting files from any drive/disk/partition would show up in trash
[12:37] <mgor> kernello, I even had a similar issue on 14.04, where the workaround was to kill wpa_supplicant when waking from sleep
[12:38] <bekks> ubuntu832: I do get what you mean. you want the trashes of external disks show up in your "main trash" too.
[12:38] <ubuntu832> new install: deleting files from drives/disks/partition goes to a separate .trash folder on the drive/disk/partition that i have to hunt down and delete for good manually
[12:38] <OerHeks> ubuntu832, only in gui, not from command line
[12:38] <bekks> ubuntu832: Every disk has its own trash folder, always.
[12:38] <ubuntu832> and I'd like to relegate them into one trash no matter where they're deleted from
[12:38] <Ben64> ubuntu832: ok but why not just delete things
[12:38] <kernello> mgor, I think I've had it with 14.04., too. thank you for the solution. I will try it and see if it works.
[12:38] <ubuntu832> this was automatic on the old install
[12:38] <Ben64> ubuntu832: or install ubuntu if you care this much
[12:38] <bekks> ubuntu832: you are mixing up the LOCATION and the DISPLAY of the trash folders.
[12:39] <ubuntu832> Ben64: i like to review what I'm deleting before i delete them for good.
[12:39] <Ben64> review them before deleting
[12:39] <Ben64> save yourself a step
[12:40] <ubuntu832> bekks: do you have a solution for having deleted files from other partitions show up in one trash?
[12:40] <OerHeks> there is only one trash service.
[12:41] <Oncom> exit
[12:41] <bekks> ubuntu832: As I said, I second Ben64, and personally, I am using a terminal.
[12:41] <ubuntu832> OerHeks: do you have a solution for having deleted files from other partitions show up in one trash?
[12:42] <rangemonger> yep, thunar definitely does it differntly than nautilus
[12:42] <rangemonger> just checked with both
[12:42] <Ben64> so there are two options. pick one.
[12:42] <Ben64> 1. deal with it
[12:42] <Ben64> 2. install ubuntu
[12:42] <OerHeks> ubuntu832, no. the trash folder gives the path of the file, easy to filter
[12:42] <OerHeks> still trash remains in its own /.Trash-1000 on the partition
[12:43] <ubuntu832> right but it would show up in trash, where i could delete them for good on my old ubuntu install.
[12:43] <ubuntu832> xubuntu has issues with this
[12:43] <Ben64> so pick an option
[12:43] <ubuntu832> Ben64: you're giving workarounds, not solutions
[12:44] <bekks> ubuntu832: The solution is to use something that has no issues with it.
[12:44] <Ben64> you have exactly those two solutions
[12:44] <bekks> ubuntu832: a third option would be: 3) get the source code and fix it.
[12:44] <Ben64> ok three options, 2 realistic :)
[12:44] <rangemonger> OerHeks: depends on what file manager you use
[12:44] <bekks> Ben64: :D
[12:44] <rangemonger> there are kind of more than 2
[12:44] <rangemonger> different file managers handle it differently
[12:45] <ubuntu832> ^^^
[12:45] <rangemonger> i just opened a vm with ubuntu and one with xubuntu to confirm this
[12:45] <ubuntu832> and im asking if it's a file manager issue or an ubuntu issue
[12:45] <ubuntu832> rangemonger is the only one actually helping out here
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu832  try this     sudo aptitude purge ~c
[12:46] <OerHeks> never heard about filemanagers handle trash differently, proof?
[12:46] <ubuntu832> [04:45] <rangemonger> i just opened a vm with ubuntu and one with xubuntu to confirm this
[12:46] <ubuntu832> ^^^
[12:46] <Ben64> this has gone on for almost an hour
[12:46] <ubuntu832> thunar appears to be complete crap
[12:46] <Mouaad> Hello, where can I get the package linux-generic-lts-yakkety ? I can't find it
[12:46] <Ben64> ubuntu832: great then stop using it
[12:47] <ubuntu832> having the same issue with nemo in xubuntu as well tho Ben64
[12:47] <rangemonger> OerHeks: proofs there if you run it
[12:47] <Ben64> Mouaad: what version of ubuntu are you using
[12:47] <Ben64> ubuntu832: then don't use nemo
[12:47] <Mouaad> ben64: xenial
[12:47] <ubuntu832> nemo worked fine and as expected on my old install Ben64
[12:47] <ubuntu832> this was not an issue there, im wondering why its an issue now
[12:47] <Ben64> Mouaad: 16.04 doesn't work like that anymore... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[12:48] <bekks> ubuntu832: How long will you continue to discuss your two realistic options?
[12:48] <ubuntu832> i like to look for solutions instead of running away from them on linux
[12:48] <rangemonger> you guys are being a bit of a prick
[12:48] <ubuntu832> bc there's always a way
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu832  try this     sudo aptitude purge ~c
[12:48] <Ben64> it's been nearly an hour going around in circles
[12:48] <Ben64> it's insane
[12:49] <Ben64> ubuntu832: then grab the source code and head down the rabbit hole of option 3
[12:49] <ubuntu832> who uses linux and doesn't try to find a way to solve an issue instead of working around it
[12:49] <Ben64> you're not going to find anyone here to do it for you
[12:49] <ubuntu832> rangemonger is helping
[12:49] <bekks> ubuntu832: The solutions were given. In case you dont accept them, its doesnt make them "not a solution" magically.
[12:49] <ubuntu832> the rest of you lot are just telling me to do something else
[12:49] <ubuntu832> "solution: don't do that" is not a solution
[12:50] <uzer8738473> What is the command name for the Screenshot" program? I want to use that one, instead of "xfce-screenshot"
[12:50] <Ben64> not the solution you want, but as a great poet once said, "you can't always get what you want"
[12:50] <bekks> ubuntu832: I told you to grab the source code already. So why are you discussing it, instead of getting it and FIXING the problem?
[12:51] <ubuntu832> bc ubuntu shouldn't be that difficult to use?
[12:51] <rangemonger> im going to see if dolphin has any options
[12:51] <ubuntu832> thx rangemonger
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> Ben64  that great poet were the Rolling Stones (fyi)
[12:51] <Mouaad> Ben64: oh ! will  linux-hwe-edge work ? (all i need actualy is a kernel above 4.4)
[12:52] <Ben64> Mouaad: yep!
[12:52] <bekks> ubuntu832: Ok, so you want to continue to waste peoples time. Good luck in doing so, I'm out of your pointless issue.
[12:52] <Mouaad> Ben64: okay ! thank you :)
[12:52] <ubuntu832> bekks: ya never helped m8 thx anyway
[12:53] <bekks> ubuntu832: Then you didnt even read the answers when asking questions.
[12:53] <rangemonger> what was kdes partition prog called again?
[12:55] <rangemonger> dolphin doesnt have much trash options but it has more than the others
[12:55] <ubuntu832> i might give that a shot next
[12:56] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: kde partition manager?
[12:56] <rangemonger> yeah, i forget what the kde one is called
[12:56] <rangemonger> i need to turn the swap partition into another ext4 one to test things
[12:57] <rommel> partitionmanager i think is the dpkg
[12:57] <ubuntu832> no i mean it's literally called kde partition manager i think
[12:57] <rommel> yeah i know what you meant... i wasnt sure what he was asking for
[12:58] <rommel> you could just use swapoff and mkfs.ext4
[12:58] <rangemonger> whats the package called in apt?
[12:59] <rommel> i am in gentoo right now but i think its just partitionmanager
[12:59] <ubuntu832> partitionmanager it looks like
[13:00] <ubuntu832> you can install KDE Partition Manager using Linux Terminal: Open Linux Terminal by pressing Ctrl + Alt + T at the same time, then type sudo apt-get install partitionmanager
[13:00] <ubuntu832> is what i found from googlgin
[13:00] <ubuntu832> googling
[13:00] <rangemonger> score
[13:00] <rangemonger> thats it
[13:03] <rangemonger> it gets moved to trash
[13:03] <ubuntu832> :OOO
[13:03] <rangemonger> dolphin does it right
[13:03] <ubuntu832> fucking awesome rangemonger
[13:03] <rangemonger> man i knew i loved kde for a reason
[13:03] <ubuntu832> thanks a lot man, you've been A LOT of help
[13:04] <ducasse> !language | ubuntu832
[13:04] <rangemonger> im not sure if its the same trash though
[13:04] <ubuntu832> ah sorry ducasse
[13:05] <rangemonger> its a .trash folder on the device
[13:05] <ubuntu832> mmm
[13:05] <rangemonger> so better than thunar, atleast but not the same trash
[13:05] <ubuntu832> right
[13:05] <ubuntu832> yeah thunar has been disappointing to me in several ways
[13:06] <ubuntu832> but willing to try dolphin
[13:06] <rangemonger> pcmanfm has this as an option, also
[13:06] <ubuntu832> i'll give that a go as well
[13:07] <ducasse> i suspect thunar lets gvfs handle trash, but you should really ask the xfce devs about that.
[13:07] <rangemonger> you could make a trsash0 symlink, maybe
[13:07] <\9> caja is pretty nice too
[13:07] <rangemonger> that way it might get rerouted to the main one
[13:07] <rangemonger> oh yeah, ill try caja
[13:08] <chris__> hello, can anybody tell me how i can enable resume/wake on usb (when keyboard button is pressed)?
[13:09] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l
[13:09] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: my /etc/issue
[13:09] <emanplays> hi?
[13:10] <Ben64> ubuntu832: what version ubuntu
[13:10] <ubuntu832> xubuntu 16.1 Ben64
[13:10] <Ben64> 16.10?
[13:11] <ubuntu832> yes
[13:11] <emanplays> #ubuntu
[13:11] <rangemonger> are there any other apps like gnome-disks?
[13:11] <emanplays> hello?
[13:11] <rangemonger> ones that let you set automounting on boot
[13:11] <ducasse> !ask | emanplays
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> emanplays  ask your ubuntu question
[13:12] <ubuntu832> i think you have to do that via terminal rangemonger
[13:13] <ubuntu832> rangemonger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#Mounting_Partitions_Automatically
[13:13] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: well, not with gnome-disks atleast
[13:13] <rangemonger> but gnome apps look so out of place
[13:13] <ubuntu832> agree
[13:13] <rangemonger> also, caja does it teh same as kde
[13:13] <Mouaad> anyone have an idea about this error: `ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-4.8.15-040815-generic is not supported` ?!!!
[13:13] <netcrash> hello, I have ubuntu always installing 3.13 linux initrd on my system don't understand why since this was long removed , any ideas? MonkeyDust /etc/issue is Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l
[13:13] <ducasse> rangemonger: afaik, gnome disks is the only gui tool that generates fstab entries
[13:14] <rangemonger> ducasse: thanks, thats a shame though
[13:14] <rangemonger> ubuntu832: yeah, caja does it the same was a pcmanfm and dolphin, makes a .trash dir on the device
[13:14] <Ben64> everything makes a trash dir on the device
[13:15] <ubuntu832> hrm ok rangemonger
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  what's the output of    cat /etc/apt/sources.list ... use pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:15] <Ben64> well xubuntu 16.04 works fine, about to test 16.10
[13:15] <rangemonger> thats probably how it worked before
[13:15] <Ben64> thinking now it's user error
[13:15] <ducasse> rangemonger: what is it you want - a qt tool?
[13:16] <rangemonger> afaik those are the only 2 trash/recycle methods that any os uses
[13:16] <rangemonger> ducasse: in a perfect world, yeah
[13:16] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23647935/
[13:17] <ducasse> rangemonger: i don't do qt, sorry :) #kubuntu might know?
[13:17] <rangemonger> ducasse heh, ok noted
[13:18] <rangemonger> as soon as they answer my quetion, ive gotta go though
[13:19] <ubuntu832> hey if i don't catch you again, thanks a lot again rangemonger
[13:19] <ubuntu832> been very helpful
[13:19] <rangemonger> no prob, glad i could
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  the output of    ls -l /boot/
[13:20] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23647948/ , I manually deleted the images for 3.13 since I didn't see them in dpkg --list
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  first, try    sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt install aptitude && sudo aptitude purge ~c
[13:23] <Ben64> ubuntu832: it's a problem in 16.10 xubuntu, install 16.04 or deal with it, or fix it yourself of course
[13:23] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[13:23] <ubuntu832> lol no way really Ben64
[13:23] <Ben64> yes way
[13:24] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23647959/
[13:24] <ubuntu832> I'm totally okay with using 16.04 but I'm just surprised that that's the issue
[13:25] <jamesrleimer> morning
[13:25] <ubuntu832> well thanks very much then Ben64 for going through the trouble
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  the output of   df -h
[13:26] <Ben64> so in the end, you ended up picking one of the two options
[13:26] <Ben64> only took ~90 mins
[13:27] <Ben64> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1633824
[13:27] <ubuntu832> well you said to either deal with it or install ubuntu
[13:27] <ubuntu832> installing an older version is a diff option and totally okay with using an LTS version
[13:28] <Ben64> well basically it was deal with it or install something without the problem
[13:28] <ubuntu832> thx for the link Ben64 will contribute
[13:28] <ubuntu832> i was wondering if it was a thunar issue tbh
[13:29] <ubuntu832> or if i messed up something during disk setup... first time installing on a desktop with multiple disks
[13:29] <Ben64> maybe this http://askubuntu.com/questions/836665/ubuntu-16-10-deleted-files-dont-go-to-trash-and-keep-taking-space
[13:29] <Ben64> might want to start with google next time
[13:30] <SchrodingersScat> !google
[13:30] <Ben64> SchrodingersScat: bro
[13:30] <SchrodingersScat> bruh
[13:30] <ubuntu832> thx SchrodingersScat
[13:30] <Ben64> this problem has been circling the drain for an hour and a half
[13:30] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23647978/
[13:30] <ubuntu832> Ben64: you found the problem tho m8
[13:30] <SchrodingersScat> !info trash-cli | ubuntu832
[13:30] <Ben64> it's not unreasonable, after figuring everything out, that i suggest to start with a google next time
[13:30] <Ben64> so don't give me the dumb trigger crap
[13:31] <SchrodingersScat> Ben64: <3
[13:31] <ubuntu832> i did, i just didn't expect it to be a release specific issue
[13:31] <ubuntu832> that would not have been a guess.
[13:31] <ubuntu832> yeah i'll check that out too SchrodingersScat
[13:31] <Ben64> easy mode - ubuntu <version> <basic description of problem>
[13:32] <Ben64> put that into google, drink answers
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  ok, /boot/ is 100% full ... try manually deleting obsolete files (3.13)
[13:33] <ubuntu832> sweet looks like everything will work out then
[13:33] <ubuntu832> thx Ben64, SchrodingersScat
[13:33] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: I did that but when I use "apt install or upgrade" it generates the initrd files
[13:33] <ducasse> netcrash: use dpkg -P package
[13:33] <netcrash> for the 3.13
[13:34] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  ok, delete them again, then don't upgrade, but use    sudo apt install aptitude && sudo aptitude purge ~c
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  really? also with apt install? odd...
[13:35] <ducasse> MonkeyDust: ~c = config remaining?
[13:36] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-55-generic
[13:36] <netcrash> WARNING: missing /lib/modules/3.13.0-52-generic
[13:37] <MonkeyDust> ducasse  not sure what ~c stands for
[13:38] <ubuntu832> thx again everyone
[13:40] <ducasse> MonkeyDust: it seems to be, just tested here. til, ty.
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  interesting issue, from a technician's point of view ... use this    find / -name "3.13" -exec ls -l {} \; 2> /dev/null
[13:41] <GOPROOph> 12.04 precie
[13:42] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: used dpkg --list | grep 3.13 and remove linux headers for 3.13 , didn't solve the issue
[13:42] <melonsound28> hi there
[13:42] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: that find command didn't return anything
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  try synaptic package manager (not installed by default) ... erase all 3.13 from there
[13:43] <ducasse> netcrash: 'sudo dpkg -P linux-image-3.13*'
[13:46] <netcrash> ducasse: MonkeyDust http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648034/
[13:46] <GOPROOph> this ubuntu 12.04 ,wcdma 3g modem , can,t auto  detect add network manager
[13:46] <smeert> so guys, about this
[13:46] <smeert> http://pastebin.com/4uzFZWSt
[13:46] <ducasse> netcrash: ok, now do 'sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.13*'
[13:47] <smeert> the two drives make the one md126? How can i be sure?
[13:48] <smeert> or how can i use the md126?
[13:48] <smeert> and why is it so much smaller than the drives itself?
[13:48] <netcrash> ducasse: MonkeyDust http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648043/
[13:48] <ducasse> smeert: are you using fakeraid?
[13:49] <smeert> ducasse: its a motherboard integrated raid
[13:49] <smeert> so i guess its fakeraid?
[13:49] <rommel> smeert, that would be software raid
[13:49] <ducasse> smeert: yep. don't do that.
[13:50] <smeert> its only temporary
[13:50] <smeert> i just need to save files on that raid until i get the real raid-card
[13:50] <smeert> in the distant future :)
[13:50] <ivo_> hey guys I just iunstalled openjdkj-9-jre to play minecraft, but it didn't work, I apt purged it and installed the default-jre. now minecraft works but there is also /etc/java-9-openjdk/ lef ....
[13:51] <ducasse> netcrash: try what MonkeyDust suggested 'sudo aptitude purge ~c'
[13:51] <ivo_> why ist this folder left over
[13:51] <ivo_> is there some other way to completely remove installed apps
[13:51] <ducasse> smeert: i'd *strongly* advice you to use sw raid instead
[13:51] <rommel> smeert, there is nothing wrong but it does make things a bit more complicated to configure and the overhead will make it a bit slower
[13:51] <smeert> ducasse: true
[13:52] <smeert> yeah i thought it wasa real raid but i wasnt
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  can you install synaptic
[13:52] <rommel> smeert, just backup your imporant files
[13:52] <smeert> rommel: its an empty machine basically
[13:52] <smeert> its just not here
[13:53] <smeert> and i need to copy some files over
[13:53] <rommel> smeert, well then dont make more of nothing then nothing really is
[13:53] <thatrandomguy83> Does anyone know how to get rid of the "lvmetad is not active" when booting up?
[13:53] <smeert> rommel: well i still need to temporarily use the space and copy some files to it
[13:54] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: what is the ~c ? ducasse
[13:54] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648057/
[13:54] <ducasse> netcrash: "config remaining"
[13:54] <netcrash> I didn't see when you shown that, will try it now
[13:54] <rommel> smeert, well i have lost the actual question...lol
[13:55] <smeert> rommel: how do i use it :)
[13:55] <rommel> mount it like any device
[13:55] <smeert> i need to make a partition etc
[13:55] <rommel> ell then you would need to do that first
[13:56] <rommel> how did you create this device
[13:56] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  say Yes
[13:56] <MonkeyDust> hit Yes, rather
[13:56] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: done, I'm deleting the initrd.3-13-x so I can try it again
[13:57] <smeert> mkdir /files && fdisk /dev/md126 -> n ?
[13:57] <smeert> rommel: i did not. ubuntu setup found it
[13:57] <smeert> rommel: or well, the raid itself is created from raid-estup on boot
[13:58] <rommel> smeert, i am a little confused as to what you are doing but you first need to partition a device then create a fs on it then you can create a directory
[13:58] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse no go ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648095/
[13:58] <smeert> rommel: yes that i know, my question is how to :)
[13:58] <rommel> fdisk
[13:58] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse going to try synaptic
[13:59] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  or Bleachbit
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:00] <rommel> smeert, are you in a desktop env or cli
[14:00] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse using the quick search on synaptic it didn't find anything
[14:00] <netcrash> going for Bleachbit
[14:00] <smeert> rommel: ssh only, so cli
[14:01] <rommel> smeert, so is he device seen in /dev
[14:01] <rommel> is it there
[14:02] <smeert> yes
[14:02] <rommel> ok so running fdisk /dev/md126
[14:02] <rommel> what do you see
[14:03] <rommel> look normal to you?
[14:04] <smeert> yes
[14:05] <smeert> according to i'v never used fdisk :)
[14:05] <smeert> so pretty normal ;)
[14:05] <rommel> then you can partition it then create your fs and so on. treat it as you would any device
[14:06] <rommel> well what have you used... fdisk is pretty standard i think
[14:06] <smeert> i've had not much have to do with system changes. mostly done on the install
[14:07] <smeert> but now i've got
[14:07] <smeert> Device       Start        End    Sectors  Size Type
[14:07] <smeert> /dev/md126p1  2048 5567512542 5567510495  2.6T Linux filesystem
[14:07] <rommel> so it has a partition already
[14:07] <rommel> and apparently a fs
[14:08] <smeert> i made it
[14:08] <smeert> i hit 'n' to make new partition
[14:08] <rommel> ah
[14:08] <smeert> no i should hit 'w' to save it and then mkfs.ext4 /dev/md126  ?
[14:09] <rommel> ok so save ad exit to write the changes then you can mkfs.whatever
[14:11] <smeert> Found a gpt partition table in /dev/md126
[14:11] <smeert> Proceed anyway? (y,n)
[14:11] <smeert> does this matter?
[14:12] <rommel> well not sure if it will this is not your / root device this si a storage device right
[14:12] <intrfear> Hello, I need to dual boot ubuntu and windows10, I would like to create a partition that could be shared between the two operating systems, what would be the best filesystem format for this partition?
[14:13] <smeert> it will not be root at the moment
[14:13] <smeert> intrfear: ntfs?
[14:13] <intrfear> smeert: ok thats what I figured thx
[14:14] <rommel> smeert, i mean gpt is needed to see a drive that size so it really doesnt matter
[14:16] <Black_knight> i suggest ntfs or fts
[14:16] <smeert> rommel: what do you meen seen by what?
[14:17] <smeert> anyway, i can just hit y?
[14:17] <Black_knight> it is file system which is easily understand by windows and ubuntu or any linuc os
[14:17] <Black_knight> linux*
[14:17] <intrfear> And what size for the windows 10 OS partition?  im thinking 40GB should be plenty as I dont use much software
[14:17] <rommel> smeert, yes
[14:17] <rommel> there was a limit on drive size for mbr
[14:19] <kang0> Anyone can help me to create bootable Linux pen drive
[14:19] <melonsound28> how to remove windows 10 which is mounted next to the linux
[14:19] <kang0> How to add w10 in my tablet
[14:19] <smeert> then i just mount it?
[14:20] <rommel> smeert, yeah... it is a drive
[14:21] <Black_knight> yep
[14:21] <Black_knight> kang0: first download ubuntu
[14:21] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse nothing worked
[14:22] <Black_knight> than use uniboot software(freely available) and select pendrive and iso file
[14:22] <Black_knight> and press submit and after 10 min bootable ubuntu pendrive is ready
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  after this one, i'm out of ideas ... install this 3rd party app and use Janitor ... https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?preview=ubuntu-tweak_0.8.7-1~getdeb2~xenial_all.deb
[14:22] <kang0> What's function of uniboot
[14:22] <Black_knight> uniboot is software to create bootable pendrive
[14:22] <Black_knight> for any os
[14:23] <Black_knight> from debain, redhut,mac to windows
[14:23] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: how is the initrd image generated?
[14:23] <Black_knight> and it is free and avilable for mac,windows and linux
[14:23] <Black_knight> it is created by uniboot directly
[14:23] <smeert> rommel: so okay, i got it mounted
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  that's beyond my knowledge
[14:23] <smeert> shold i use rsycn or scp to move files from a computer to this one?
[14:24] <Black_knight> scp
[14:24] <smeert> and how do i keep permissions and groups?
[14:24] <LordNelthon> I'm trying ubuntu in virtualbox, but when I reach this stage https://puu.sh/sSTj4/bc58d95b03.png it seems the system does not recognise the password input. Sometimes I get a clear purple screen and if I type the password and enter it works
[14:24] <kang0> Someone said me rufcus; what's that site for?
[14:24] <Black_knight> it is much more easy than rsycn
[14:24] <ducasse> smeert: use rsync
[14:24] <smeert> Black_knight: why scp?
[14:24] <Black_knight> go to setting and user and give the permission simple
[14:24] <rommel> either one will work
[14:24] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse Thanks for your help , I'll see if I can discover how to solve this.
[14:25] <smeert> Black_knight: does it keep permissions?
[14:26] <rommel> smeert, are you cp'ing an entire system... like operating linux install over to this
[14:26] <rommel> if you are use rsync
[14:26] <smeert> no im just making a backup of the files while upgrade the computer itself
[14:28] <rommel> then what ever you want ... just -r in scp to preserve permissions i think... use man to verify
[14:29] <smeert> heh, man command not found
[14:30] <rommel> whaa
[14:30] <intrfear> so the people in #windows are telling me dual-booting is a thing of the past and that if I want to use windows and linux I should just VM.  I only use linux for fun, and will need windows 10 for school, so would it be best to install just win10 and run linux in a VM within windows?
[14:30] <smeert> rommel: well -r does a recursive copy
[14:30]  * intrfear is sad to see his linux only laptop go way of the darkside
[14:31] <smeert> so i guess rsycn is my thing here
[14:32] <rommel> smeert, well scp will work too... -rp would accomplish this i think but i am not 100% i honestly have nothing worth baking up
[14:33] <smeert> heh
[14:33] <smeert> well -r only keeps times and dates, -p does a recursive copy, none of them seem to copy the userdata
[14:35] <ducasse> intrfear: there's nothing wrong with dualbooting if you want that?
[14:39] <intrfear> ducasse: yeh, ive dualbooted in the past and never had a problem with it, but if I could run win10 as a virtual machine from within Ubuntu that would be even better
[14:39] <intrfear> i would much rather not have to install windows officialy
[14:39] <koroso> someone can help me plz for that : /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 1: Bad configuration option: \357\273\277
[14:39] <intrfear> im just worried that someting like autocad may crawl in a VM within ubuntu
[14:39] <ivo_> hey guys I just iunstalled openjdkj-9-jre to play minecraft, but it didn't work, I apt purged it and installed the default-jre. now minecraft works but there is also /etc/java-9-openjdk/ leftover .... is ther other way to completely remove the package
[14:40] <koroso> whats mean 357\273\277
[14:41] <smeert> damnit im so shy using anything
[14:41] <ducasse> koroso: pastebin /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[14:41] <smeert> tell me one more thing
[14:42] <smeert> what credentials to use? i run rsync as root or some backup-user?
[14:42] <rommel> rsync -av
[14:42] <ducasse> smeert: you run it with the privileges you need to copy the files
[14:43] <rommel> so run it as root
[14:44] <koroso> it's done : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648309/
[14:45] <ducasse> koroso: where/how did you get that error?
[14:48] <netcrash> What's this directory used for /var/lib/initramfs-tools ?
[14:49] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: found this directory with 3.13 entry's /var/lib/initramfs-tools
[14:49] <koroso> shell  : systemctl status service ssh
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  pastebin the output of   ls -l /var/lib/initramfs-tools/
[14:52] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse I executed a different find on the system and found kernel entry's in /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ 3.13 I deleted them and the initrd images in /boot and that solved the issue
[14:53] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse I had this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23648353/, now it's all deleted
[14:53] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: ducasse thanks
[14:53] <ducasse> netcrash: good, so it works normally again?
[14:54] <netcrash> ducasse: yes
[14:54] <smeert> does it matter with rsync if i use the rsync command on the computer FROM im copying or if i run it from the computer im copying TO?
[14:55] <ducasse> smeert: no, not really.
[14:55] <jpd> smeert: no
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> netcrash  glad it's solved, /me off, Motörhead tribute band gig
[14:55] <smeert> okies, so i only need to install rsync on the machine im copying to
[14:56] <koroso> i cant remove openssh-server
[14:56] <ducasse> koroso: which ubuntu version?
[14:56] <koroso> yes
[14:56] <koroso> i'm on lubuntu
[14:57] <koroso> i've installed Kubunu then lubuntu desktop
[15:01] <smeert> hmm
[15:01] <smeert> rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674)
[15:01] <smeert> trying to run rsync here
[15:02] <smeert> do i need to have rsync installed on both compurers?
[15:02] <smeert> computers*
[15:07] <netcrash> MonkeyDust: good show
[15:10] <skinux> Anyone awake and can help with this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2346761&p=13584270#post13584270
[15:15] <nos09> how do i remove 's' - drwxrws---  7 git git 4096 Dec 18 14:52 demo.git
[15:15] <nos09> its stickybit right?
[15:15] <Marqeaux> 2
[15:16] <Marqeaux> Oops... sorry!
[15:16] <Marqeaux> Hi everyone....
[15:16] <EriC^^> nos09: chmod -s /path/to/dir
[15:16] <EriC^^> nos09: it's the setguid bit
[15:17] <nos09> EriC^^: to turn off?
[15:17] <EriC^^> nos09: yes
[15:17] <nos09> EriC^^: thanks
[15:17] <EriC^^> it means whatever user creates a file in that dir it'll have the dir's group as the group
[15:18] <EriC^^> nos09: no problem
[15:18] <koroso> ducasse do you have any ideas about my pb?
[15:26] <Baidu> acarrillo, hi
[15:26] <Baidu> aau, godd
[15:28] <koroso> someone can help me plz for that : /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 1: Bad configuration option: \357\273\277
[15:28] <koroso> on sshd_config no error
[15:29] <RajRajRaj> hii am logged in through ubuntu now :)
[15:29] <koroso> Problem appared when i try to change listen port
[15:29] <koroso> on sshd_config
[15:32] <climber386> hi, i'm tring to rebuild ubuntu 14.04 LTS dvd-iso with new kernel 4.4.8 but when i boot i've got this error message "(initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system". what's wrong?
[15:40] <koroso> noone :/
[15:42] <intrfear> what is the best virtual machine software for running windows within ubuntu?
[15:43] <Baidu> how can i alert someone for my reply?
[15:43] <Baidu> dreamon_, hi
[15:43] <tony_> intrfear wine and virtualbox work well
[15:44] <Baidu> tony_, can we talk?
[15:44] <tony_> sure you can pm me
[15:45] <Baidu> tony_, i want to check if there are any alert sound for this messge?
[15:45] <Baidu> tony_, or my name is highlighted..
[15:45] <tony_> oh
[15:45] <tony_> do you want me to highlight you or pm you
[15:45] <tony_> Baidu
[15:46] <Baidu> tony_, yes yes how to send this kind of message?
[15:48] <jamesrleimer> hi
[15:51] <che2> hi
[15:54] <intrfear> .part
[15:54] <intrfear> oops
[15:57] <cool> Hi everybody!
[16:00] <JWU42> googlefu letting me down - can you manage a box with multiple IPs with UFW (i.e., forward port 53 to a specific IP versus 0.0.0.0) ?
[16:00] <JWU42> I mean to say - allow not forward - no NAT
[16:07] <ducasse> JWU42: you can specify the interface in the rule
[16:07] <kabali> hello
[16:10] <JWU42> ducasse: I'll mess with it - figured as much
[16:10] <JWU42> thanks
[16:11] <JWU42> ducasse: well this is just one NIC with multiple IPs
[16:11] <JWU42> typical box with a /29
[16:12] <blackbird1> Hi, is there a command line that compute the sha1rsa signature of a file ?
[16:12] <ducasse> JWU42: what exactly are you trying to do?
[16:13] <JWU42> run (for example) a DNS serve ron a specific IP
[16:13] <JWU42> server has 6 IPs
[16:14] <JWU42> say 10.1.1.121-126
[16:14] <JWU42> runs on .121 and I want to run the DNS on .125
[16:14] <JWU42> and only allow 53 to .125 as an example
[16:15] <JWU42> or ntp on 123 just to .125
[16:15] <JWU42> again - no NAT so apologize for the 10. example
[16:15] <JWU42> all public IPs
[16:16] <tony_> blackbird1 I think you can do sha1sum file
[16:17] <tony_> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/sha1sum.1.html
[16:18] <bork> Got disconnected from my wifi bc. router powered down. Upon repowering my wifi (using network manager) can only see a fraction of the avail. wireless (some kind of frequency cap?) - issue is persistent. -> I cannot see or connect to my home router. Any thoughts?
[16:19] <blackbird1> tony_, sha1sum gives only the sha1 sum
[16:21] <blackbird1> tony_, I have a file that his ans1 hash is :
[16:21] <blackbird1> 13:d=1  hl=2 l=  20 prim: OCTET STRING      [HEX DUMP]:AA6AC1E77ACD0DDD617B8A5659711831A70D86E0
[16:22] <blackbird1> tony_, but the 'sha1sum <the-same-file>' gives another hash that is different of: AA6AC1E77ACD0DDD617B8A5659711831A70D86E0
[16:23] <blackbird1> tony_, I think because the encryption method is sha1rsa
[16:26] <swensson> I've just installed openVPN, anyone have any documentation / recommendations on how to make it secure?
[16:27] <tony_> ah
[16:27] <rommel> https://www.google.com/search?q=securing+openvpn+in+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[16:28] <rommel> google seems to know swensson
[16:46] <lueevee> Does unity still have the amazon thing enabled by default?
[16:46] <ivo_> hey guys I just iunstalled openjdkj-9-jre to play minecraft, but it didn't work, I apt purged it and installed the default-jre. now minecraft works but there is also /etc/java-9-openjdk/ leftover .... is ther other way to completely remove the package
[16:46] <lueevee> Cant you just rm it?
[16:47] <Geo> Hi - tried installing ubuntu to a mirror'd raid. It got to the end, and said grub-install failed (no further info). Now, I can't boot to the old working disks, nor the new disks. Can anyone help?
[16:47] <ivo_> yes I can
[16:47] <ivo_> but it is strange that it remains after I purge it
[16:47] <lueevee> ivo_ sounds about right for Java to be fair.
[16:48] <blackbird1> lueevee, How did you install it ?
[16:48] <ivo_> this sux, how can I be sure it does what it says, when I can clearly see it doesn't
[16:49] <lauritzt[m]> lueevee: Not on a fresh install of 16.04 or 16.10
[16:49] <lueevee> blackbird1 I havent, yet... lauritzt[m] gotchya. Thanks!
[16:50] <Geo> Hi - tried installing ubuntu to a mirror'd raid. It got to the end, and said grub-install failed (no further info). Now, I can't boot to the old working disks, nor the new disks. Can anyone suggest where/how to start on fixing?
[16:51] <blackbird1> Geo, try to fix the grub
[16:52] <Geo> ok- suggestions on how?
[16:52] <zzero1> Question I installed ubuntu 16.0.4 x86 in vbox with an ext4 /boot and / also ext4 gpt. I transferred to a  non uefi system. I cant seem to boot grub. I tried to install on /dev/sda and toggle boot flag but I had a message Checking nvram instead of the grub and then immediate reboot. I used a usb drive that had grub installed and I was able to start grub with set root,prefix, insmod
[16:53] <zzero1>  I created a separate fat32 partition with boot flag and installed grub there. But now  the bios say's no bootable device found
[16:53] <zzero1> any ideas ?
[16:54] <cfhowlett> transfering a vbox to an actual machine has/is an uncertain proposition.  some reason you can't do a normal installation, zzero1
[16:54] <someone235> Hi, I have a weird issue. Sometimes my external hard drive becomes read only, and then I remove and reattach it, and then it becomes writable again. Someone knows how to fix this?
[16:55] <blackbird1> Geo, http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[16:56] <zzero1> cfhowlett: I fixed everything else
[16:57] <kang0> What's grub
[16:57] <kang0> And when it's required
[16:57] <kang0> Which cases
[16:57] <cfhowlett> !grub | kang0
[16:58] <kang0> What's boot manager
[16:58] <n0name> \join test
[16:58] <kang0> What's difference between Ubuntu and debian
[16:58] <zzero1> helps the computer to start the os
[16:59] <cfhowlett> kang0, suggest you go to your library and read a linux book.  this is not a tutorial channel
[16:59] <Amm0n> zzero1, to use BIOS with GPT you need a BIOS boot partition too. Do you really need gpt?
[16:59] <zzero1> 2 tb drive
[17:00] <kang0> So grub required for Ubuntu?
[17:00] <kang0> Start
[17:01] <gswallow> !lilo | kang0
[17:01] <OerHeks> kang0, yes, grub is the bootloader
[17:01] <OerHeks> lol lilo, unfashionable
[17:01] <kang0> What's  equivalent boot loader forWindows?
[17:02] <cfhowlett> kang0, explain exactly what your end goal is.
[17:02] <zzero1> Amm0n: I shrinked my /boot and I created a fat32 with bios boot flag from gparted. I used that to install grub
[17:02] <zzero1> but no luck
[17:02] <OerHeks> not sure windows has a bootloader, ask in ##windows?
[17:02] <kang0> I am confused whether I need grub or not
[17:03] <cfhowlett> !details | kang0,
[17:03] <pac1> Hi.  I'm trying to set up a usb/ethernet connection to a raspberry pi-zero.  There are instructions on the net that work for windows and MACOS, but a lack of good information on doing it with Ubuntu.  On ubuntu each time the pi-zero boots, a new  device shows up like: enp0s20u9u1u3 (1E:05:08:85:51:E2) for device and Ethernet id.  The device does not provide dhcp services so the pi zero gets 169.254.228.218 for an ip address and is
[17:03] <pac1> not contactable
[17:03] <Amm0n> zzero1, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/BIOS-installation.html
[17:03] <zzero1> kang0: if you use ubuntu you probably already use it
[17:03] <OerHeks> kang0, yes you do, grub is the only way to make 2 kernels bootable.
[17:03] <koffeinfriedhof> you may try systemd-boot if you want to avoid grub2. but I dunno if it works with ubuntu
[17:03] <gswallow> There's a systemd boot loader now?  Lunacy.
[17:04] <OerHeks>  systemd-boot, previously called gummiboot, is a simple UEFI boot manager which executes configured EFI images
[17:04] <pac1> any advice on what to read up on to get a stable virtual ethernet device on the ubuntu side, that will provide dhcp services to so the dhcpcd on the pi zero can get a proper address?
[17:04] <OerHeks> i would not try that one
[17:05] <Geo> Hi - tried installing ubuntu to a mirror'd raid. It got to the end, and said grub-install failed (no further info). Now, I can't boot to the old working disks, nor the new disks. From a live cd, I've used fdisk to make sure the bootable partitions are marked as such. Can anyone suggest where/how to start on fixing?
[17:05] <EriC^^> Geo: pastebin sudo parted -l
[17:05] <EriC^^> zzero1: also pastebin sudo parted -l
[17:06] <zzero1> yes
[17:06] <zzero1> I got to boot from live cd
[17:06] <EriC^^> ok
[17:07] <Geo> ok, booting the live cd, one moment please
[17:12] <Geo> and related but unrelated, if i mark two differnet drives as bootable, i should be able to pick from both those drives at boot, correct?
[17:14] <Geo> EriC^^: paste.ubuntu.com/23649016
[17:14] <Guy1524> hey guys, I am using ubuntu 16.04 with radeon open source drivers for my radeon hd 5450.  In war thunder I get many visual artifacts (trees and explosions are all blue, planes are white, and the sky is a bunch of weird colors, i assume this has to do with opengl driver bugs
[17:14] <Guy1524> so would updating mesa help?
[17:14] <Guy1524> if so, how do I update mesa
[17:17] <Guy1524> I currently have mesa 13.1
[17:17] <Guy1524> this is because I installed gallium nine for wine
[17:18] <Guy1524> so I don't think upgrading mesa would help much
[17:18] <Guy1524> since 13.1 is pretty new
[17:18] <blackbird1> sha1sum <file>: to compute the sha1 of the file. What's the command to compute sha1rsa (sha1WithRSAEncryption)
[17:18] <blackbird1> ?
[17:18] <Guy1524> is there anything else I could try to stop all these weird artifacts from happening
[17:18] <Geo> EriC^^: paste.ubuntu.com/23649016
[17:20] <Fritigern> Guy1524: I have no Radeon, but you may want to look into this, dunno how helpful it will be through: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/12/stable-mesa-drivers-ubuntu-ppa
[17:20] <EriC^^> Geo: did you assemble the raid stuff?
[17:20] <someone235> Hi, I have a weird issue. Sometimes my external hard drive becomes read only, and then I remove and reattach it, and then it becomes writable again. Someone knows how to fix this?
[17:20] <someone235> when I do dmesg I see "rejecting I/O to offline device"
[17:21] <Guy1524> Fritigern: Thanks, but I already have mesa 13.1, custom patched with gallium nine, so I don't think I can upgrade unfortunately
[17:21] <EriC^^> Geo: linux doesn't need the bootable flag, it doesn't really matter if its set or not
[17:21] <Geo> EriC^^: I did before I installed, and I can from the live cd (the file system appears ther)
[17:21] <Geo> *the installed file system appears there
[17:21] <EriC^^> Geo: ok run sudo apt-get install mdadm
[17:21] <EriC^^> then sudo mdadm --assemble --scan
[17:21] <Geo> yes, that works from live cd
[17:22] <nullbyte_> how can i made a multiple boot for all linux systems with the same parameters like for one default e.g. Ubuntu ? e.g. nomodeset vga=0x317 net.ifnames=0 for all of them? for 4-5 Linux OSs
[17:22] <nullbyte_> when update-grub is runned
[17:23] <OerHeks> nullbyte_, <teraflops> edit /etc/default/grub ?
[17:23] <Geo> EriC^^, I've done a few things from this point, to include mounting it/chrooting and trying install-grub, but still get errors
[17:23] <EriC^^> Geo: what errors?
[17:24] <EriC^^> did you mount bind /sys and the rest of the virtual fs?
[17:24] <Geo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/254491/failed-to-get-canonical-path-of-cow
[17:24] <Geo> I followed the instructions for 16.04 on this answer
[17:24] <loslinux> hola
[17:24] <Geo> I'll do it again, they all blur together at this point
[17:25] <EriC^^> Geo: ok, mount the main partition and then run the command
[17:25] <Amm0n> zzero1, you need to create a 32kb-1MB BIOS Boot Partition with partition type 0xEF02 not FAT32. Then install grub on the whole device, not a partition.
[17:25] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:25] <EriC^^> Geo: then sudo chroot /mnt
[17:25] <zzero1> EriC^^: the / is mounted as sda2_crypt. I have a usb as sda now http://pastebin.com/jMR1dWqu
[17:26] <loslinux> kepler
[17:26] <loslinux> e
[17:26] <loslinux> e
[17:26] <loslinux> e
[17:26] <loslinux> e
[17:26] <loslinux> e
[17:26] <Geo> EriC^^: just ran updategrub2
[17:27] <Geo> no errors for those disks
[17:27] <Geo> (i've done this before as well- still didnt work after reboot)
[17:31] <Geo> any other ideas, EriC^^?
[17:32] <EriC^^> Geo: did you run grub-install --recheck /device/here ?
[17:32] <Geo> i think this is what gave me errors before
[17:32] <Geo> first, it says 'installing for i386-platform'
[17:33] <Geo> which seems wrong
[17:33] <EriC^^> that's nortmal
[17:33] <EriC^^> *normal
[17:33] <Geo> ok
[17:33] <Geo> file system ext2 doesnt support embedding
[17:33] <sp3ck> Hi all, does anyone know what the hell post-up commands in /etc/network/interfaces don't work?? I'm trying to add some routes but it seems it doesn't honor it ...
[17:33] <Geo> which is also wierd, b/c its ext4
[17:34] <sp3ck> why*
[17:34] <EriC^^> Geo: did you give it the device or partition?
[17:34] <Geo> yes- /dev/md4
[17:34] <EriC^^> zzero1: can you pastebin "sudo parted -l" something is a little off i think
[17:34] <Geo> and then it errors:
[17:34] <Geo> "will not proceed withh blocklists"
[17:34] <EriC^^> Geo: try /dev/sda
[17:34] <EriC^^> or whatever disk you have set to boot in the bios
[17:35] <Geo> I'm in my chroot right
[17:35] <Geo> *now
[17:35] <Geo> do I need to repeat with that drive instead?
[17:35] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:35] <EriC^^> i mean
[17:35] <EriC^^> just the grub-install command
[17:36] <zzero1> EriC^^:  http://pastebin.com/LHs767NB
[17:36] <Geo> so even though I'm chroot'd to drive 2, running grub-install for drive1 will still work?
[17:36] <EriC^^> Geo: they're all part of the same array right?
[17:37] <Geo> no- I ran this on /dev/md4 - the array itself
[17:37] <Geo> should it have been run on a component instead?
[17:37] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, did you mount anything yet?
[17:37] <EriC^^> Geo: yes
[17:38] <Geo> ok, trying again
[17:39] <zzero1> EriC^^: anything else
[17:39] <Geo> ...attempting to install grub to a disk w/ multiple partition labels
[17:39] <EriC^^> zzero1: what's mounted til now?
[17:39] <zzero1> the sda is a usb drive
[17:39] <Geo> embedding is not possible, but this is required for raid install
[17:39] <Geo> i did /dev/sdg ... should it have been /dev/sdg1?
[17:40] <zzero1> http://pastebin.com/1qPuqUV4
[17:40] <EriC^^> Geo: no i think you should use the device
[17:40] <Geo> me too... but im puzzled by that error
[17:41] <EriC^^> Geo: try another disk
[17:41] <EriC^^> zzero1: so you're chrooted?
[17:42] <Geo> trying the other...
[17:42] <Geo> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1539205
[17:42] <Geo> maybe this
[17:42] <Geo> oh
[17:42] <Geo> sdh worked
[17:42] <Geo> !!
[17:42] <zzero1> no but I mounted the root from initramfs mount using cryptsetup by hand  like this /sbin/cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 sda2_crypt
[17:42] <Geo> so what does that mean
[17:42] <zzero1> why the sdb
[17:43] <Geo> reboot now?
[17:43] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, so it's the actual install
[17:43] <zzero1> the usb drive messes the names
[17:43] <zzero1> yes
[17:43] <EriC^^> zzero1: type "cat /etc/fstab" and paste it
[17:43] <EriC^^> Geo: nice
[17:43] <zzero1> hold on
[17:43] <EriC^^> Geo: update-grub
[17:43] <EriC^^> ten reboot
[17:43] <EriC^^> *then
[17:44] <Geo> doh :(
[17:44] <gebruiker> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/fedora-and-ubuntu-0days-show-that-hacking-desktop-linux-is-now-a-thing/ what can I do about this?
[17:44] <zzero1> http://pastebin.com/SBFB3XNH
[17:44] <zzero1> the root is supposed to be sda
[17:44] <zzero1> when there is no usb drive
[17:44] <zzero1> and I don't plan to use one
[17:45] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, type sudo blkid /dev/sdb3
[17:45] <EriC^^> zzero1: get the uuid and type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[17:45] <EriC^^> paste this line
[17:45] <EriC^^> UUID=0A87-44C2 /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[17:45] <zzero1> I use one now because I need the grub rescue prompt. cause I have installed grub in the usb and I use the grub rescue to boot
[17:46] <EriC^^> put your uuid instead of the one above
[17:46] <zzero1> http://pastebin.com/DAPx0WRt
[17:47] <EriC^^> zzero1: np, fstab uses the uuid, the naming doesn't matter
[17:47] <EriC^^> ok add the line with your uuid
[17:47] <zzero1> true but about the kernel root parameter ?
[17:48] <EriC^^> zzero1: it also uses uuid
[17:48] <zzero1> well that is useful to the computer :P
[17:48] <zzero1> I prefer to see what boots by name
[17:49] <zzero1> but that can change
[17:49] <zzero1> like here
[17:49] <EriC^^> can't help you there :P
[17:50] <EriC^^> just do "ls -l" and compare the uuid's
[17:50] <EriC^^> in grub
[17:51] <Geo> ok, redid, updated grub, rebooting...
[17:52] <Geo> nope
[17:52] <Geo> still getting to initramfs ash shell
[17:52] <EriC^^> set the drive first in the boot order
[17:53] <EriC^^> what does it say before the shell drops?
[17:53] <EriC^^> zzero1: any progress?
[17:53] <Geo> nothing
[17:53] <EriC^^> Geo: ok, first set the drive you put grub on as the first drive
[17:54] <zzero1> nope I should make the partition type 0xEF type instead of fat32
[17:54] <zzero1> I 'm looking for instructions
[17:54] <EriC^^> zzero1: that's the partition type not the filesystem
[17:54] <zzero1> with parted
[17:54] <zzero1> yeah
[17:54] <EriC^^> zzero1: i'm instructions, ask here :D
[17:54] <Geo> picked one of the two drives (not sure which is which)
[17:54] <EriC^^> zzero1: do sudo cgdisk /dev/sdX and change it
[17:54] <Geo> I see /dev/md4 clean, bla bla......
[17:54] <Geo> but it hangs there
[17:54] <Geo> should i try the other one?
[17:55] <Geo> I'm not sure whivh one sdh was
[17:55] <EriC^^> sdh is the one that worked?
[17:55] <Geo> that i installed to, yes
[17:55] <EriC^^> try both i guess
[17:55] <EriC^^> it's the 750gb one
[17:55] <EriC^^> ata..blabla
[17:56] <Geo> wierd- when i ctrl-ald-del'd, it flashed 'ubuntu16' for a second
[17:56] <zzero1> Hex code or GUID (L to show codes, Enter = ef02):
[17:56] <zzero1> enter
[17:56] <Geo> ok, the other drive just freezes, nothing happens (doesn't even leave the select screen)
[17:56] <zzero1> correct ?
[17:57] <EriC^^> you need ef00
[17:57] <EriC^^> zzero1: ^
[17:57] <EriC^^> Geo: ok, put the first one then
[17:57] <EriC^^> hold shift to get grub then press "e"
[17:58] <EriC^^> and go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ...quiet splash and remove quiet splash and add rootdelay=40
[17:58] <zzero1> then grub-install
[17:58] <zzero1> after the write
[17:58] <EriC^^> zzero1: no, there's some stuff left
[17:58] <zzero1> go on
[17:58] <EriC^^> zzero1: type sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi
[17:59] <zzero1> I 'm not in an efi system
[17:59] <zzero1> sure ?
[17:59] <EriC^^> zzero1: you should be
[17:59] <zzero1> no
[17:59] <EriC^^> or you dont want that?
[17:59] <zzero1> I have bios
[17:59] <zzero1> only
[17:59] <EriC^^> cant you switch to uefi?
[17:59] <EriC^^> aha
[17:59] <zzero1> and gpt because of a 2 tb drive
[18:00] <Geo> ok, done
[18:00] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, you only need a 1mb partition then for grub
[18:00] <Geo> f10 to boot?
[18:00] <zzero1> I cant use that 70 m ?
[18:00] <EriC^^> zzero1: shrink the fat32 one, and make a 1mb partition with the type ef02
[18:00] <zzero1> hold on
[18:01] <Geo> (got a blank screen)
[18:01] <EriC^^> zzero1: also, remove the stuff you put in fstab
[18:01] <EriC^^> zzero1: you can if you want
[18:01] <Geo> oooh!
[18:01] <Geo> ctrl--alt-f6 gave me a shell
[18:02] <EriC^^> Geo: try with "nomodeset" in the line as well
[18:02] <Geo> well, before i do anything else
[18:02] <Geo> I'm on the bash shell
[18:02] <Geo> so it has booted!
[18:02] <zzero1> I plan to
[18:02] <zzero1> remotely
[18:02] <zzero1> I have to leave in about 2 hours
[18:03] <ticktock> Ubuntu is for the weak
[18:03] <zzero1> and I was hoping I would have unattended remote access to this system
[18:04] <Geo> what interface is enp4s0?
[18:04] <EriC^^> Geo: ethernet
[18:04] <Geo> I've never seen that before, it seems to have replaced my eth0
[18:04] <EriC^^> zzero1: did you remove it from fstab?
[18:04] <Geo> is that new for 16?
[18:05] <EriC^^> Geo: yeah that's systemd notation
[18:05] <zzero1> the boot ?
[18:05] <EriC^^> predictable interface naming or something like that
[18:05] <EriC^^> zzero1: yeah the /boot/efi line
[18:05] <zzero1> there is no efi line
[18:05] <zzero1> in fstab
[18:05] <zzero1> only the /boot
[18:05] <EriC^^> zzero1: the one i asked you to add earlier
[18:05] <EriC^^> UUID=0A87-44C2 /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[18:06] <zzero1> damn
[18:06] <zzero1> I must sent you my local machine contents
[18:06] <zzero1> sorry
[18:07] <EriC^^> zzero1: i mean if you added it earlier, remove it
[18:07] <EriC^^> if you didn't add it nevermind
[18:07] <zzero1> I did not added it
[18:07] <EriC^^> ok, nevermind
[18:07] <EriC^^> did you make the ef02 partition?
[18:08] <Geo> EriC^^ thank you very much for your time
[18:08] <EriC^^> Geo: no problem
[18:09] <zzero1> ef00
[18:09] <Geo> lots more to do to keep it this way, but at least its up
[18:09] <Geo> have a great day, many karma kudos to you
[18:09] <EriC^^> Geo: yeah
[18:09] <Geo> hags
[18:09] <Geo> *d
[18:09] <EriC^^> Geo: you too
[18:09] <EriC^^> zzero1: ef02
[18:10] <emilio[m]> Posted a File: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/VApGbzFyKHblBCofSvJsjacI - VectorBugReport-1482084595686-emilio_matrix.org.zip (148KB)
[18:10] <EriC^^> zzero1: gpt + legacy needs a 1mb ef02 partition for grub to be installed to
[18:11] <zzero1> done 02
[18:11] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, try sudo partprobe
[18:11] <zzero1> I reinstalled grub in sdb
[18:12] <EriC^^> then sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
[18:12] <makos2> hello
[18:12] <zzero1> hi
[18:13] <emilio[m]> Solstag.matrix.org is trying to find me but not capable.? I am eabdow (username) and riot as @emilio.matrix.org.??
[18:13] <zzero1> no errors reported
[18:13] <emilio[m]> Thank's
[18:13] <zzero1> you were going to say about partprobe
[18:13] <zzero1> sth
[18:13] <makos2> guys can some
[18:13] <EriC^^> zzero1: nevermind
[18:13] <zzero1> reboot ?
[18:13] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, try sudo update-grub
[18:13] <zzero1> done
[18:14] <EriC^^> zzero1: ok, try rebooting
[18:14] <emilio[m]> This is at cellphones
[18:14] <makos2> can some one tell me were i can find a hacking channel
[18:14] <emilio[m]> Android
[18:14] <makos2> hello
[18:15] <squinty> !alis | makos2
[18:15] <emilio[m]> I found him as email but always offline
[18:15] <ceibal> transformic
[18:15] <ceibal> transformice
[18:16] <makos2> so cool
[18:18] <zzero1> I see light
[18:19] <EriC^^> is it purple?
[18:21] <zzero1> the checking nvram is sth grub related ?
[18:21] <zzero1> cause I think its efi related
[18:21] <EriC^^> i think so too
[18:22] <shaddy> join /#rust
[18:22] <makos2000> sup
[18:22] <zzero1> well
[18:23] <zzero1> I think I know what I have to do
[18:24] <zzero1> now
[18:24] <EriC^^> what's that?
[18:27] <zzero1> EriC^^: now with my other new efi system I hate grub and any bootloader :P
[18:28] <fujitsu> ok
[18:29] <zzero1> EriC^^:  hold I'm close to the light
[18:29] <zzero1> I can feel it
[18:29] <zzero1> in the end of the tunnel
[18:31] <zhiiya> test
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[18:32] <zhiiya> hello all
[18:32] <fujitsu> hello
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[18:33] <\9> could this bot please be removed from this channel?
[18:33] <zhiiya> thanks all
[18:33] <Baidu> sure. just for test
[18:33] <\9> this isn't the place to test irc bots
[18:34] <\9> pretty sure there's a channel for that
[18:34] <Baidu> \9,  XD sorry for that
[18:34] <zzero1> damn it the the sda has become sdb permanently
[18:34] <zzero1> chroot
[18:34] <zzero1> from live cd
[18:34] <\9> zzero1: what's wrong with that?
[18:35] <\9> the labeling is pretty arbitrary
[18:35] <pavlos> Baidu, try #test for testing
[18:35] <zzero1> I 'm not gonna have the the usb
[18:35] <zzero1> and I fear grub related errors
[18:35] <Baidu> pavlos, thanks for that.
[18:38] <theparadoxer02> Any vnc viewer for linux ?
[18:39] <zzero1> EriC^^: thanks a lot
[18:39] <EriC^^> zzero1: no problem
[18:40] <pavlos> theparadoxer02, there is vncviewer, https://linux.die.net/man/1/vncviewer
[18:40] <cadeskywalker> _thelion_: remmina
[18:40] <zzero1> pavlos surname if I may ?
[18:41] <pavlos> zzero1, it is greek
[18:41] <zzero1> I know
[18:41] <cadeskywalker> theparadoxer02: remmina
[18:41] <zzero1> and I ask if I may
[18:42] <zzero1> R*S ?
[18:42] <pavlos> zzero1, surname comes from Andros, of a famous philosopher
[18:42] <zzero1> okay
[18:42] <zzero1> sorry
[18:42] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, remmina is really good nd it supports a lot of other protocals too
[18:43] <zzero1> I thought you could be someone I know in the linux local community
[18:43] <pavlos> zzero1, I'm not in Greece, I'm in Phoenix, AZ
[18:44] <zzero1> your name tells an other story
[18:44] <theparadoxer02> DigitalIceCream: i am not able to congigure
[18:44] <theparadoxer02> It is showing nad file descripter
[18:46] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, thats odd
[18:46] <theparadoxer02> Bad*
[18:48] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, is it giving you that error when you run the program, or when you try to connect?
[18:48] <bork> could networkmanager be messing with my NIC channel access?
[18:49] <gebruiker> !grsecurity
[18:50] <theparadoxer02> When i clicked on 'new' it has 5 options whuch onw should i choose?
[18:51] <theparadoxer02> Vnc virtual network computing or or vnc incoming connection ?
[18:52] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, should be Virtual Network Computing
[18:54] <theparadoxer02> Its showing unknown autjentication scheme
[18:55] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, have you set the smbpasswd on the server?
[18:56] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, soryy *vncpasswd
[18:58] <DigitalIceCream> theparadoxer02, also make sure encryption is enabled on the client
[18:59] <miczac> Hi, I'm trying to figure out the routes I'd need on a server with multiple NICs without IP-forwarding enabled in the kernel. Is that possible?
[19:09] <_bart> Hi people, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a sony vaio laptop, but I'm stuck at this: https://d17oy1vhnax1f7.cloudfront.net/items/3f0k2g1f3Y390n3n1w3a/IMG_20161218_200647173_HDR.jpg?v=0f8a93a8
[19:09] <_bart> any ideas on what to do?
[19:11] <bekks> _bart: Continue and install grub later?
[19:12] <_bart> bekks: ok I will choose continue without a bootloader
[19:12] <_bart> how to install grub if I can't boot? through the live cd?
[19:14] <monsterco> hi everyone - we have a portal that required daphne which required us to go to Ubuntu 8 from 7. Our programmer change sysvinit to initd or vice versa....besides the point. Now, we are seeing TWO cron processes running which of course f*ks up the whol system as everything is being done twice. Where can I look for sign of trouble?
[19:14] <bekks> _bart: yes.
[19:14] <bekks> monsterco: Everything older than 12.04.5 isnt supported anymore.
[19:15] <monsterco> I see this two:
[19:15] <_bart> bekks: I'm a total noob, how do I set up grub?
[19:15] <monsterco> root     14050  0.0  0.0  48860  1464 ?        S    13:55   0:00 /usr/sbin/CRON
[19:15] <monsterco> root     14051  0.0  0.0  48860  1460 ?        S    13:55   0:00 /usr/sbin/CRON
[19:15] <bekks> _bart: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting
[19:15] <bekks> monsterco: Which Ubuntu version are you on?
[19:15] <monsterco> bekks - sorry, it's debian 8
[19:16] <bekks> monsterco: So please proceed to the debian support, this is Ubuntu support only.
[19:16] <monsterco> tnx sorry
[19:17] <_bart> oh wow I just started up without the live cd and it booted to ubuntu!
[19:17] <_bart> how is that possible
[19:19] <NXLX> HELLO
[19:20] <_bart> NXLX: HI
[19:20] <NXLX> hı
[19:23] <_bart> OK now I have about half of the available disk space I should have though, this is what I see : http://postimg.org/image/p00amf0kt
[19:23] <NXLX> xit
[19:23] <NXLX> exit
[19:23] <_bart> 100 GB mounted to /, but I should be able to have about 100 more
[19:25] <_bart> can I somehow add the extra space?
[19:28] <theparadoxer02> Do i have to log into the hexchat everytime i open it?
[19:28] <bekks> theparadoxer02: you dont log into hexchat, you log into your freenode IRC account.
[19:29] <bekks> theparadoxer02: And it is up to you wether you want to do that - in most cases you want to.
[19:29] <theparadoxer02> I mean i have joined many channels on freenode
[19:29] <bekks> theparadoxer02: And?
[19:29] <bekks> theparadoxer02: you can configure channels for autojoin if you want to.
[19:30] <theparadoxer02> So when i installed hexchat is again asking to join channel
[19:31] <theparadoxer02> Also the username
[19:31] <theparadoxer02> Do i have to register again
[19:32] <bekks> theparadoxer02: Unless you configure hexchat to save those credentials, you need to enter them manually.
[19:34] <theparadoxer02> Okay
[19:58] <_bart> Hi people, how do I use these disk drives I see listed: http://postimg.org/image/p00amf0kt
[19:59] <\9> _bart: type 'lsblk' in console
[19:59] <rdh> _bart, you are using them, they are mounted where "Mounted on" says
[20:05] <_bart> rdh, \9: thanks but I have only 100GB mounted, am I not missing some space?
[20:06] <_bart> I'll paste the lsblk stuff, just a sec
[20:07] <_bart> http://pastie.org/10983836
[20:14] <studio-user162> hi there! i am trying to recover grub with boot-repair tool. when I try to run it, it says I booted from UEFI so he needs a 100mb partition with boot flag. When I do that, it says now GPT detected, and that I need a BIOS - root partition... I dont know what to do...
[20:17] <_bart> it seems like ubuntu installed twice?
[20:17] <_bart> why?
[20:18] <Pelle`> anyone else have problem with cifs freezing after computer has been in suspension/sleep? any workaround?
[20:24] <freqnasty> when i try to scp files from my laptop to my desktop i get the 'man in the middle' warning, how can i fix this?
[20:30] <freqnasty> im trying to scp some files from my laptop to my desktop but im getting connection refused
[20:30] <freqnasty> i have the address and port right, what could it be?
[20:30] <freqnasty> i can ssh in just fine
[20:41] <saige> freqnasty: What is the command you are using?
[20:43] <freqnasty> scp -r -P 55 <file> <user>@<host>:<directory>
[20:44] <freqnasty> i cant even ssh in now
[20:44] <freqnasty> im getting connection refused
[20:46] <saige> Are you using fail2ban or something like that which locks you out after a certain number of unsuccesful connection attempts?
[20:46] <freqnasty> no, but it was my firewall, i forgot to allow ssh
[20:46] <freqnasty> thanks anyway
[20:46] <saige> lol, yeah, that will do it.
[20:47] <saige> Is it still blocking scp?
[20:50] <freqnasty> saige: no :)
[20:51] <luk3yx> Hello everyone. I was wondering what precautions I should take before mounting a USB with possibly malicious software.
[20:54] <koffeinfriedhof> luk3yx: why do you want to mount such a stick? Perhaps use an old unneeded pc with no network connection and no automount/autostart enabled?
[20:54] <Glammobile> Does GIMP become quite easy to use for simple tasks once you've gotten used to it, or are there fairly objectively better programs for throwing together cruftwork simple pics? If so, what would be a better program for simple tasks?
[20:55] <luk3yx> koffeinfriedhof: It possibly contains malware, maybe not even Linux malware. The idea is to check the contents. Read-only initramfs?
[20:55] <coolpuppy9> 100% after you get used to GIMP menu structure it gets easier to use
[20:56] <koffeinfriedhof> I would prefer using an Live-Stick on that unneeded pc, yes. And do not install wine :)
[20:56] <luk3yx> No wine.
[20:56] <coolpuppy9> i end up using GIMP a lot simply because it's commonly included on a lot of distros and it's not worth going and installing something with a more simple interface
[20:57] <Glammobile> I think the layering trips me up the most.
[20:57] <luk3yx> koffeinfriedhof: Thank you for your advice. It most likely is innocent or contains Windows malware. Would a guest session help?
[20:58] <Glammobile> It seems like it'd be thoroughly necessary for some tasks, and incredibly needlessly complex for simple things.
[20:58] <koffeinfriedhof> luk3yx: If you do not know what its on your stick I would not recommend using it with your current system. Just to be sure.
[20:58] <luk3yx> Okay.
[20:59] <luk3yx> It seems so strange that innocently mounting and browsing the contents could compromise my system. (If Windows was my system, it wouldn't be.)
[21:00] <koffeinfriedhof> it would probably not...but I'm a bit paranoid due to "bad usb"-things.
[21:01] <Hilikus> h
[21:01] <luk3yx> Okay.
[21:02] <coolpuppy9> @Glammobile you are exactly right about that with GIMP, but it is handy more often than not for me
[21:02] <Glammobile> And that's fairly easy to work around once you're used to it?
[21:03] <coolpuppy9> Yeah i don't really think about what I'm doing most of the time. It's just muscle memory
[21:04] <Glammobile> I guess my only concern about that is that I rarely have reason to make a pic.
[21:05] <Glammobile> Last time, I was in a game of Stars! and needed to cludge together a sitrep. Took forever.
[21:05] <Glammobile> That it was ugly didn't matter since it was serviceable, but the lack of familiarity and practice was frustrating.
[21:06] <coolpuppy9> The default photo editor in Ubuntu 12+ (i think) can do most basic stuff
[21:06] <luk3yx> Again, thank you for all your help and advice. I will be sure to proceed with caution.
[21:06] <Glammobile> Ohei that might work.
[21:06] <Glammobile> What's it called?
[21:09] <Guest97160> anyone here familiar with KVM virtualizing?
[21:09] <coolpuppy9> i honestly don't remember what the application is called, maybe someone else in here will
[21:10] <pavlos> you mean, virt
[21:10] <Guest97160> yes
[21:10] <Guest97160> I'm trying to get some quick help
[21:10] <coolpuppy9> whats's ur question
[21:11] <Guest97160> I've got a Windows Guest running on my Ubuntu server. I can access the internet and everything through the guest, but I'm not able to host a server. I'm attempting to host a game server, but it never states that it's listening on that port
[21:11] <Guest97160> so, I'm unable to connect
[21:11] <ikonia> if it's not listening - you will never connect
[21:12] <chefkoch77> hi all
[21:12] <Guest97160> I know that, I'm wondering why it's not listening.
[21:12] <coolpuppy9> straight kvm or are you using a gui/other interface like cloudmin
[21:12] <Guest97160> It's like it's not passing through or something
[21:12] <pavlos> Guest97160, is the a firewall blocking?
[21:12] <ikonia> Guest97160: probably not starting....
[21:12] <Guest97160> No GUI
[21:12] <ikonia> passing through ?
[21:13] <Guest97160> Firewall doesn't seem to be blocking it
[21:13] <Guest97160> On the server itself I'm running a server which works perfectly, it's just the VM that's having issues
[21:13] <coolpuppy9> are you getting a ip address on your network or a internal private NAT
[21:13] <ikonia> Guest97160: try to explain again
[21:13] <ikonia> you're mixing the situation a little in your description
[21:13] <ikonia> is the games server running on the physical host or the vm
[21:13] <Guest97160> Okay let me start over haha
[21:14] <coolpuppy9> e.g. are you bridging?
[21:14] <pavlos> Guest97160, can you use netstat to find ports LISTEN
[21:14] <Guest97160> I have a dedicated server with ubuntu installed. I have created a Windows Server VM. I used the default networking used by libvirt, and I'm able to connect to the internet on it. However, I'm not able to host a server because it's not being "pushed" out publicly
[21:15] <Guest97160> I've used netstat to find the listening ports, and it's not on there is the problem.
[21:15] <ikonia> Guest97160: are you hosting the game server on th vm or the host
[21:15] <ikonia> lets just be clear
[21:15] <Guest97160> on the VM
[21:15] <ikonia> Guest97160: and the vm is running windows, right ?
[21:15] <Guest97160> yes
[21:15] <ikonia> Guest97160: is the games server starting
[21:15] <Guest97160> yes
[21:16] <ikonia> Guest97160: what interface is it listening on
[21:16] <ikonia> or how do you configure the listening address
[21:16] <compdoc> Guest97160, you can connect the guest directly to the lan, and not go thru the virtual net they create for you
[21:16] <Guest97160> well it's listening on 0.0.0.0:27016
[21:16] <ikonia> Guest97160: ok - so that means it will be listening on the VM guest IP - can you connect to that port on the VM guest IP
[21:16] <Guest97160> compdoc: is that a better option. I attempted to use a bridge but it didn't work for some reason
[21:16] <compdoc> Guest97160, do you have more than one nic?
[21:17] <Guest97160> ikonia: well the guest vm ip is not a public ip, it's part of a subnet created by libvirt
[21:17] <ikonia> Guest97160: I know this
[21:17] <ikonia> Guest97160: thats why I'm asking the question
[21:17] <Guest97160> compdoc: just one nic
[21:17] <Guest97160> ah okay
[21:17] <Guest97160> it's in a data center
[21:21] <Guest97160> How would bridged networking work?
[21:21] <ikonia> it wouldn't
[21:21] <mordeo> What's a common reason for a hw addr not showing up in the arp cache?  Both devices are on the same network and have the same subnet (255.255.255.0)
[21:21] <ikonia> Guest97160: can you connect to that port on the internal network
[21:21] <ikonia> thats teh first question you need to answer to confirm the status
[21:21] <pavlos> Guest97160, this page has a lot of info ...https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking
[21:21] <Guest97160> what do you mean?
[21:21] <ikonia> Guest97160: can you connect to the game server port on the internal VM network ip
[21:22] <Guest97160> I have no way of testing that
[21:22] <ikonia> yes you do
[21:22] <Guest97160> how?
[21:22] <ikonia> telnet to the port from the ubuntu host to the ip / port of the guest
[21:22] <Guest97160> can you show me an example of how to do that?
[21:22] <Glammobile> Thanks, folks!
[21:23] <ikonia> telnet ip port
[21:23] <ikonia> or
[21:23] <ikonia> nc ip port
[21:23] <pavlos> Guest97160, telnet 10.0.2.15:45000
[21:23] <ikonia> no
[21:23] <ikonia> it's not :
[21:23] <ikonia> it's just a space
[21:23] <pavlos> sorry
[21:24] <Guest97160> stuck trying
[21:24] <Guest97160> but I can ping it
[21:24] <ikonia> Guest97160: ok - so it's not listening on that port/interface
[21:24] <ikonia> Guest97160: so thats what you've got to fix first
[21:24] <Guest97160> jk I can't ping it
[21:24] <ikonia> I suspect the game server is not even starting up properly
[21:25] <Guest97160> I believe it is because I tested it on my regular desktop and it started the exact same way and was working
[21:25] <Guest97160> I just think my networking is not right
[21:25] <ikonia> Guest97160: it's not though
[21:25] <ikonia> Guest97160: as you can't connect to the port
[21:25] <ikonia> if it was listening on that IP/port, you'd be able to connect with telnet
[21:25] <ikonia> as you can't either a.) something is blocking it b.) it's not starting on that interface
[21:26] <Guest97160> the host computer isn't a part of that network
[21:26] <Guest97160> so that's why i can't telnet into that
[21:26] <bekks> 5Then you will not be able to connet at all.
[21:26] <Guest97160> it's a virtual network created by libvirt with a virtual interface
[21:26] <ikonia> Guest97160: how are you connecting to it to manage it then
[21:26] <pavlos> Guest97160, can you give ubuntu ip and vm ip?
[21:26] <ikonia> right, but the host must be on that network
[21:27] <ikonia> or you wouldn't be able to connect to the internet from it, and you wouldn't be able to connect to the vm to manage it
[21:27] <ikonia> so it must be part of that network
[21:27] <Guest97160> it's passing through the virtual "router"
[21:27] <Guest97160> cause I can ping: virbr0
[21:27] <ikonia> Guest97160: right, and the virtual router is an interface on your host
[21:27] <Guest97160> which is the default gateway and dhcp server for my VM
[21:27] <ikonia> so the host must be able to access it
[21:28] <Guest97160> okay
[21:29] <Guest97160> it's all so confusing lol
[21:30] <Guest97160> actually the virtual network interface already forwards all ports for me
[21:30] <ikonia> ...clearly not
[21:30] <Guest97160> from 1024 to 65535
[21:30] <ikonia> as you can't connect to the game port
[21:30] <ikonia> or it's not running
[21:30] <bekks> Guest97160: that would mean 64000 forwarding, are you sure ;)
[21:30] <Guest97160> is there a way to test another program?
[21:30] <bekks> *forwardings.
[21:30] <Guest97160> lol
[21:30] <bekks> Guest97160: Run the telnet test from within your VM.
[21:30] <ikonia> you're not interested in another program
[21:30] <ikonia> you're interested in the game server
[21:30] <ikonia> fix that
[21:31] <ikonia> as you should be able to connec to that from your ubuntu host
[21:31] <ikonia> no forwarding or anything
[21:31] <ikonia> fix that first
[21:31] <ikonia> hell, can you connect to it from the windows VM
[21:31] <ikonia> then there is no networking in play
[21:31] <Guest97160> telnet isn't available on windows apparently
[21:31] <ikonia> yes it is
[21:31] <ikonia> it's not just enabled by default
[21:32] <Guest97160> there I enabled it
[21:34] <OneFreakLP> hello
[21:34] <Guest97160> should I just use bridged networking?
[21:34] <ikonia> Guest97160: I'm going to stop helping you
[21:34] <bekks> Guest97160: you should run your telnet test from withing your vm.
[21:34] <ikonia> Guest97160: you appear to ignore what's being told to you and just continuing on
[21:34] <bekks> Guest97160: And then, in case you cannot connect, you should fix your gameserver, since it isnt starting.
[21:34] <Guest97160> ikonia: I'm installing telnet
[21:36] <Guest97160> I'm very appreciative of your help, but I've been researching this since like 4am last night.
[21:36] <ikonia> then you should be paying attention and doing what you're told, not running ahead
[21:36] <ikonia> I'm out
[21:36] <Guest97160> lol okay?
[21:36] <Guest97160> sorry for being such a horrible person to you
[21:36] <jamesrleimer> hello
[21:37] <compdoc> Guest97160, you have to manually create a bridge that also has an ip address for the host to use. takes some testing to get it right
[21:37] <compdoc> I prefer two or more nics
[21:38] <Guest97160> okay
[21:38] <Guest97160> thanks compdoc
[21:39] <schnel> 8[21:39] <schnel> noooo
[21:39] <schnel> ikonia why? :'(
[21:40] <ikonia> schnel: because your offensive ascii art is not allowed or welcome
[21:40] <schnel> oh sorry :x
[21:41] <Guest97160> schnel ikonia is in a bad mood
[21:41] <schnel> How to create a channel?
[21:41] <ikonia> schnel: I suggest you join #freenode if you need help using IRC
[21:41] <OerHeks> just channel policy, Guest97160
[21:41] <ikonia> Guest97160: no, I'm not in a bad mood,
[21:42] <Guest97160> yeah, but I still ruined ikonia's day
[21:42] <xar-> schnel: /join #channel-name; et voila, you have a channel
[21:42] <h9k__> why is that offensive
[21:43] <\9> because the op says it's offensive
[21:43] <h9k> fair enough
[21:44] <\9> it's quite rude for this channel anyway
[21:44] <h9k> just realized it's a penis :D
[21:44] <schnel> thank you xar :)
[21:44] <xar-> I'm faily certain I got kicked yesterday cuz I laughed at a joke told by **someone else**
[21:44] <h9k> i prefer cowsy
[21:44] <h9k> cowsay*
[21:44] <xar-> I blame the christmas spirit ;)
[21:45] <h9k> yeah, SJW are everywhere
[21:45] <Guest97160> ikonia, does telnet use tcp or udp? cause my server is udp
[21:45] <xar-> yw schnel, do a /msg chanserv help, if you actually want to register the channel, administer it, etc.
[21:45] <h9k> telnet is TCP
[21:46] <xar-> (of course, it needs to be a non-already-registered-channel that doesn't "belong" to anyone)
[21:46] <schnel> oh
[21:46] <xar-> so how about them ubuntus (tries to get back on topic)
[21:46] <bekks> Guest97160: PAstebin "netstat -aon" from within your guest.
[21:48] <\9> h9k: i thought you were debating whether posting an ascii penis on a support channel is offensive. so i'd guess it was just a misunderstanding
[21:48] <Guest97160> bekks: http://pastebin.com/gQsSBAjg
[21:49] <xar-> meh we're all adults here, I chuckled, shrug
[21:49] <bekks> Guest97160: As can be clearly seen, your gameserver isnt running on port 45000. So fix it.
[21:49] <Guest97160> Okay
[21:49] <xar-> pro tip, `ss` is the better `netstat`
[21:49] <Guest97160> Can we ignore the fact that the gameserver isn't up for a moment?
[21:49] <bekks> Guest97160: No.
[21:50] <Guest97160> I have IIS server running now on Port 80
[21:50] <Guest97160> I'm unable to connect to that as well
[21:50] <bekks> Did you try to telnet from your host...?
[21:51] <Guest97160> my server was off also
[21:51] <Guest97160> which I didn't notice
[21:52] <ikonia> this is turning into a pack of lies
[21:52] <Guest97160> pastebin.com/DeyVSST8
[21:52] <ikonia> info is being provided
[21:52] <ikonia> yet the serer was "off"
[21:52] <Guest97160> bekks: you can see there that it is listening on 27016
[21:53] <bekks> Guest97160: In your pastebin nothing is listening on port 27016
[21:53] <Guest97160> pastebin.com/DeyVSST8
[21:53] <Guest97160> http://pastebin.com/DeyVSST8
[21:53] <Guest97160> sorry
[21:53] <Guest97160> The server wasn't on in the first one. That's my mistake
[21:53] <bekks> So run that telnet test again...
[21:54] <schnel> tkkk
[21:54] <Tywars> yo
[21:54] <Tywars> yo
[21:54] <Tywars> yo
[21:54] <Guest97160> bekks: I'm wondering if that won't work because it's a UDP port rather than TCP
[21:54] <Tywars> 8[21:55] <Tywars> test
[21:55] <schnel> :O
[21:55] <mordeo> tywars, test back
[21:55] <Tywars> test
[21:55] <schnel> offensive
[21:55] <Tywars> :D
[21:55] <Ben64> ikonia: still here?
[21:55] <pavlos> Tywars, please use #test for testing
[21:55] <ikonia> Ben64: ooh yes
[21:55] <schnel> #test
[21:55] <bekks> Guest97160: Use: nc -u ipaddress portnumber
[21:55] <Tywars> #test
[21:55] <ikonia> srr it
[21:55] <Tywars> :p
[21:55] <schnel> #test
[21:55] <schnel> #test
[21:55] <schnel> #test
[21:55] <ikonia> sorry about that
[21:56] <pavlos> Tywars, please use #test for testing (/join #test)
[21:56] <Guest97160> bekks: on the host machine?
[21:56] <bekks> Guest97160: Sure.
[21:57] <Guest97160> bekks: it's just hanging
[21:57] <Guest97160> on the host machine I'm using the virbr0 ipaddress
[21:57] <LordSesshomaru> hey all, I'm attempting to connect a Damn Small client via SSH to my Ubuntu server and its telling me there are no matching ciphers, is there a way to enable some of the older ciphers (which is what DSL uses, I assume) on the ubuntu machine? Or am I simply screwed?
[21:58] <Guest97160> since it's a vlan
[21:58] <bekks> Guest97160: Run it again, using a port number which is definitily not in use.
[21:58] <Guest97160> bekks: same result
[21:59] <ikonia> LordSesshomaru: change the sshd_config
[21:59] <ikonia> LordSesshomaru: you can set the ciphers in use
[22:00] <bekks> Guest97160: and virbr0 provides NAT? You arent using bridged networking, correct?
[22:01] <mordeo> Does device "A" need to know the hw addr of device "B" in order to ping it?
[22:01] <ikonia> mordeo: no
[22:01] <ikonia> the router will deal with any mac translation
[22:01] <Guest97160> bekks: yes here's what's in the config file: <forward mode='nat'>       <nat>         <port start='1024' end='65535'/>       </nat>     </forward>
[22:01] <ikonia> it uses IP
[22:01] <mordeo> Okay, thanks
[22:02] <mordeo> So when I ping the device, I get "Destination host unreachable"
[22:02] <schnel> guys
[22:02] <schnel> how to download Blih ?
[22:02] <mordeo> I was going down a rabbit hole of different answers - starting back at the top now
[22:03] <ikonia> mordeo: just a basic networking failure
[22:03] <ikonia> mordeo: what is the exact ping command you are using
[22:03] <pavlos> mordeo, are A and B in same subnet?
[22:04] <mordeo> "ping filepi" is one example.  "ping 192.168.1.241" is the other example.
[22:04] <mordeo> pavlos, yes.  255.255.255.0
[22:04] <ikonia> mordeo: what is the IP of your host
[22:04] <mordeo> The issue sporadically fixes itself... why makes it more frustrating
[22:04] <mordeo> 192.168.1.240
[22:04] <ikonia> so if it fixes itself
[22:04] <ikonia> that suggests a bad cable/router
[22:04] <ikonia> as the config is black and white
[22:04] <dajomu> anyone here using digikam?
[22:05] <bekks> \9: dajomu Why?
[22:05] <ikonia> dajomu: just ask the quetion
[22:05] <OerHeks> blih - The sound a Maori warrior makes when poking his tongue out to scare the enemy.
[22:05] <dajomu> ahh. ok
[22:05] <bekks> hmm, where did that "9" came from...?
[22:05] <\9> bekks: ?
[22:05] <Guest97160> bekks: I just looked it up and I think I found it
[22:06] <schnel> OerHeks : i'm pretty sure that's not it :p
[22:06] <Guest97160> by default the virtual network blocks all incoming connections unless specified in iptables
[22:06] <bekks> \9: Sorry, it was a tab fail :)
[22:06] <Guest97160> so I think I'd need to make an iptables rule
[22:06] <mordeo> thanks ikonia and pavlos
[22:07] <Guest97160> So I really need to just setup bridged networking for it to work better
[22:07] <pavlos> mordeo, are they pinging now?
[22:07] <dajomu> After digikam has scanned photos, should it not create an Mysql database on a location specified in the database settings?
[22:07] <ikonia> 21:13 < Guest97160> Firewall doesn't seem to be blocking it
[22:08] <mordeo> pavlos yes.  Additionally, the hw addr of device "B" is blank in my arp cache when this doesn't work
[22:08] <Guest97160> thanks for your help bekks!
[22:08] <Guest97160> and Ikonia. sorry for being rude
[22:08] <ikonia> mordeo: forget the hardware address
[22:08] <ikonia> mordeo: you seem to be focusing on something that really doesn't matter
[22:09] <mordeo> ikonia, I don't have total access to my router, so I'm trying to rule out what I can actually control
[22:09] <bekks> Guest97160: So assumption "a)" was correct. Something was/is blocking traffic.
[22:09] <mordeo> I admit you're probably right and I should just put a second router behind it
[22:10] <schnel> who uses Bluemix here?
[22:10] <ikonia> second router ??
[22:10] <ikonia> mordeo: why are you looking at second routers
[22:11] <kode54> I have a second router, but it's in a DMZ "plus" behind ISP equipment that I prefer not to act as my primary router
[22:13] <mordeo> If the router ATT gave me is faulty, I'll put a second router behind it that I can actually control.  No?
[22:13] <mordeo> Not having any problems accessing the internet, it's just local network stuff
[22:13] <mordeo> Getting rid of the ATT uVerse modem/router is not an option
[22:13] <kode54> mordeo: ATT? same here
[22:13] <kode54> you can "DMZPlus" or similar to that feature
[22:13] <Ben64> if it's faulty, get them to give you a new one
[22:13] <kode54> Ben64: faulty/limited by design
[22:14] <Ben64> like can't ping devices on the network? no that is not normal
[22:14] <ikonia> mordeo: no
[22:14] <kode54> no
[22:14] <ikonia> mordeo: if the router you have is faulty, putting a second router behind will forward the fault from the first to the second
[22:14] <kode54> faulty for other reasons, but not being able to ping devices is not a fault
[22:14] <Ben64> yes it is
[22:15] <kode54> er
[22:15] <kode54> I mean
[22:15] <ikonia> it is if it's going up / down
[22:15] <kode54> I don't mean it's a permanent fault
[22:15] <ikonia> yes it is
[22:15] <ikonia> if his hosts are going up down with no changes
[22:15] <kode54> oh
[22:15] <mordeo> no changes that I'm aware of*
[22:15] <kode54> it's going up and down repeatedly? then it's a faulty device
[22:15] <kode54> sticking a router behind it won't help with that, but it may help keep his network sound internally, if they don't have to pull an IP from the ATT device
[22:15] <Ben64> but it's also not necessarily the router, could be the cable, could be the device(s) themselves
[22:15] <mordeo> Would changing the network topography be a cause?  As in, turning on/off an unmanaged switch?
[22:16] <ikonia> as I said
[22:16] <ikonia> faulty cable
[22:16] <kode54> or if you're turning off/on a switch with devices attached to it
[22:16] <ikonia> there seems to be an alarming lack of desire to actually troubleshoot with people on this channel tonight
[22:16] <Ben64> i'd run an endless ping and watch for changes as i mess with stuff
[22:16] <mordeo> devices attached, but not relevant ones
[22:16] <ikonia> and just race ahead to something random
[22:17] <kode54> I shouldn't be contributing to this conversation, I have nothing useful to say
[22:17] <mordeo> re-wiring the house doesn't seem reasonable at this point
[22:17] <Ben64> the ethernet goes in the wall?
[22:17] <mordeo> and through the attic
[22:18] <ikonia> just run a long cable
[22:18] <ikonia> to test
[22:18] <Ben64> move the thing next to the router and use a fresh cable
[22:18] <Ben64> or that, same thing basically
[22:18] <ikonia> or even better, move the machine out of the attic to test another cable
[22:18] <mordeo> that makes sense
[22:18] <ikonia> apply logic before buying a new router
[22:18] <Ben64> yay problem solving
[22:19] <mordeo> well I've got a spare router already, so not cost.  But I'll move some things around first
[22:19]  * ikonia shakes head
[22:19] <ikonia> "hi guys, I need help with this problem" - 'sure do this' - "I'll ignore the info and just do other random things"
[22:19] <Ben64> my check engine light is on....  *puts duct tape over the light*     ...there, fixed!
[22:19] <ikonia> what is the point of even asking
[22:20] <Geo> anyone know where a user's imap mailbox is stored on the filesystem? I upgraded HDs, and have the old HD mounted- but since its the same computer, i can't use a traditional sych tool (that I know of) because the same host is pointed at the new, empty filesystem
[22:20] <ikonia> Geo: depends on the imap server
[22:20] <Geo> postfix/dovecot
[22:20] <ikonia> Geo: rsync
[22:20] <ikonia> Geo: or 'cp"
[22:20] <ikonia> 'cp'
[22:20] <Geo> where, not how :)
[22:20] <ikonia> Geo: look in the config - thats where it's defined
[22:20] <ikonia> read the config
[22:22] <Geo> there's nothing obvious in there I've seen... can you be any more specific?
[22:22] <ikonia> Geo: pretty sure there will be something in there
[22:22] <ikonia> Geo: the config file must specify where the imap directories are stored
[22:22] <ikonia> or it won't know where to read them from
[22:23] <Geo> I have no doubt it does
[22:23] <Geo> just not obviously
[22:23] <Geo> hence my question
[22:23] <Ben64> http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailLocation
[22:24] <mordeo> ikonia, ben64 it can't be a cable issue if I'm also unable to ping from 1 wireless device to another, right?
[22:24] <mordeo> so it would have to be the router
[22:25] <Ben64> not necessarily
[22:25] <mordeo> just remember I ran that test yesterday...
[22:25] <Geo> thanks- and of course, "mail_location setting in dovecot.conf is used if nothing else overrides it. " ... I have no mail_location setting
[22:25] <Geo> thanks Ben64
[22:26] <Geo> grepd, looks like it got moved to 10-mail.conf
[22:27] <Geo> and looking at that file, it's filesize is 0 on the old filesystem
[22:27] <Geo> hrm
[22:27] <Ben64> have you checked /var/mail
[22:28] <Geo> thats what it was set to
[22:28] <Geo> and my user file is 0 bytes
[22:28] <Geo> but it looks like it is all hanging out in ~/Maildir
[22:31] <aleksandar_> yoyooyoy
[22:32] <SyntaxErr0r> Hi
[22:33] <Geo> Hrm... even my new test mails coming in aren't appearing
[22:34] <Geo> here we go
[22:34] <Geo> Error: file_dotlock_create(/var/mail/geo) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(geo) egid=1000(geo) missing +w perm: /var/mail, we're not in group 8(mail), dir owned by 0:8 mode=0775) (set mail_privileged_group=mail)
[22:35] <rfp> alguem do  brasil
[22:35] <Ben64> !br | rfp
[22:36] <Ben64> Geo: you running dovecot as your user?
[22:36] <Geo> nm, thats old
[22:36] <Geo> root, I would assume
[22:36] <Ben64> your error indicates otherwise
[22:37] <Geo> no, it indicates that file wasn't there earlier, it's since been fixed
[22:37] <Ben64> no it doesn't indicate a missing file
[22:37] <Geo> well, whatever magic that was, it has been fixed
[22:38] <Ben64> you might want to consider not running your own mail server
[22:38] <Geo> I've been doing this for going on a decade now, but thank you for your support.
[22:38] <Ben64> that's even more worrying
[22:39] <tony_> make sure you don't have confidential political emails on there
[22:43] <JamesP> in font heck with Ubuntu 16.04 - Is there a fix to install 3rd party fonts yet?
[22:44] <JamesP> Cause it's been over 6 months....and I see that I'm not the only confused by this.
[22:44] <Ben64> you can always install fonts
[22:44] <schnitz> I would like to randomly rename files in a directory, changing / overwriting the existing names before the suffix into a ramdom number
[22:45] <Ben64> schnitz: for what purpose
[22:45] <\9> JamesP: dump the fonts in ~/.fonts/ and run fc-cache
[22:46] <JamesP> I guess I'm too much of a newb to figure it out.  Tried the Font Manager... which reports its done the job, but it really hasn't
[22:46] <schnitz> Ben64: I have a HD full of my own produced music. Under UbuntuStudio I found out, there is Batch Manipulation with Audacity. I programmed a NOISE / METAL filter array, now I want to open a new SC account, and I don't want the old filenames to show up, and audacity does not allow me to specify new file names, it uses the old ones and puts the files into another directory
[22:46] <JamesP> will try that.  Thanks
[22:48] <schnitz> Ben64: So I need a way to say "rename all files within this directory into some random string or increasing numbers"
[22:50] <ghostmag> Hello fellows, I am using Ubuntu 16.06 with a Dualboot Windows 7. Both installed over UEFI. I tried to used WakeOnLan for the frist time and it did work - but Ubuntu wasn't able to use the LAN connection while WoL is activated in the UEFI
[22:51] <ghostmag> Ubuntu was only able to use the normal LAN connection to get into the internet under these circumstances:
[22:51] <pavlos> schnitz, some help ... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7450818/rename-all-files-in-directory-from-filename-h-to-filename-half
[22:51] <ghostmag> 1. I booted Windows first and the next time I booted Ubuntu
[22:52] <\9> for increasing numbers you could run python3 and type in «import os; for i, fn in enumerate(os.listdir('.')): os.rename(fn, str(i))«
[22:52] <tgm4883> ghostmag: 16.04*
[22:52] <ghostmag> 2. I restarted the working Ubuntu. It just stopped working if I shut the system down and boot again
[22:52] <ghostmag> tgm4883: You are right, sorry
[22:53] <schnitz> Ben64: Awesome! Thx sooo much! Have a great day :-)
[22:54] <arm1e> Hi, I have been testing snap package manager on otgher distros but get errors. Can anyone help
[22:55] <Bashing-om> arm1e:  Try asking in #snappy .
[22:57] <arm1e> ta
[23:02] <lapion> Does 16.04 prefer ipv4 over ipv6 so much that it refuses to use a profile in which ipv4 is the preferred protocol ?
[23:03] <lapion> in stead it will much rather create a new profile with only ipv6 in stead of using a profile where the user manually set ipv4 as required
[23:04] <CrazyH> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit. I'm using Gnome flashback session. I went to System tools --> System Setting --> Appearance --> Behavior --> Enable Workspaces == True. However, when I go to Workspace switcher and add more worksapces it doesn't work. It forgets the number that I set [ the number is 8 ] and never creates any extra workspaces :-( How can I fix this?
[23:13] <sruli> i have a amd readeon rx460, system does not recognise it and only works with amd proprietary drivers, how can i get it to work with the open source drivers? the only reason i went for amd is the opensource
[23:15] <ikonia> sruli: do the open source drivers support it ?
[23:16] <sruli> ikonia: hiw can i check that?
[23:16] <ikonia> err you should have checked this
[23:16] <ikonia> you went for AMD beause it's open source....and you've not even checked if the card is supported by the open source driver
[23:17] <sruli> ikonia: my mistake, just throught amd provides opensource for all new cards ... is there a way i can check if my card is supported?
[23:18] <ikonia> pull up the open source driver docs and look at the listed cards
[23:18] <Bashing-om> sruli: amdgpu-pri : per : http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/general-interest/11-amd-gpu-support-with-amdgpu-and-amdgpu-pro .
[23:20] <sruli> Bashing-om: thats what i installed to get it to work... i thought its supported from the kernel and no need to install ~150mb drivers to get it to work..
[23:21] <OerHeks> standard amdgpu supports it, in 16.10 ~ maybe not 60 hz in 4k
[23:22] <Bashing-om> sruli: Lots I do not know about the AMD drivers, but I would expect the amdgpu driver to work right out of the box - as default in the kernel .
[23:24] <sruli> Bashing-om: it doesnt, how can i trouble shoot it?
[23:24] <sruli> where do i start?
[23:24] <schnitz> Ben64: sorry to bother you again, checked all that, yes, understand, however, there is no notion of randomness there yet
[23:24] <ikonia> sruli: "it doesn't" doesn't really help explain the problem
[23:24] <user01> hi so for you client devices are you supposed to key one private ssh key per device/user combination or copy the same private key on all devices that you use as a client?
[23:24] <OerHeks> on what linux version, sruli ?
[23:25] <schnitz> E.g. for file in *.png; do mv "$file" "${file/@1x.png/.png}"; done ... fine, but is there some command to generate a random number in bash? Instead of a fixed string?
[23:25] <ikonia> user01: not sure what youre asking here
[23:25] <jkoudys> xenial; I used a special repo for mysql, and now every time I try to do an `apt install`, it fails saying "Setting up mysql-server-5.7" then complains I'm in a chroot, then policy-rc.d denies execution. http://pastie.org/10983883
[23:26] <jkoudys> I'm running on a chromebook that has ubuntu installed under a chroot using crouton
[23:26] <ikonia> jkoudys: sounds like you're used a broken ppa
[23:26] <ikonia> jkoudys: and there isn't ubuntu on the chromebook
[23:26] <jkoudys> the thing is, mysql install upgrade works just fine; updates all my stuff
[23:26] <jkoudys> Yeah there is
[23:26] <ikonia> it's not an official ubuntu build
[23:26] <ikonia> jkoudys: is there ? from where ?
[23:26] <user01> ikonia, so if i generate a key on my laptop user01, should i copy the private key to my desktop user01, my phone user01 etc . .. or should i generate a different ssh key for each device
[23:26] <sruli> i upgraded to 16.04 to get it to work (froze in middle bricked, reinstalled) i have 3 screens, before installing the package i get 1080p res 2 screens mirrored, cannot change res, after installing the package from amd's site i have 3 independent screens as i want
[23:27] <Bashing-om> sruli: Most depnds on what release you are running .. and if 'fglrx' os a factot . Whar returns ' dpkg -l | grep fglrx ' ?
[23:27] <ikonia> user01: thats up to you
[23:27] <ikonia> user01: you manage the keys how you feel best
[23:27] <jkoudys> It's installed on a chroot
[23:27] <ikonia> some people use a master key, some people use per install
[23:27] <ikonia> jkoudys: no - then it's not an offiical install
[23:27] <ikonia> it's a hack
[23:27] <ikonia> that hack is not supported here
[23:27] <user01> ikonia, wouldnt it be safer though to do separate, in case one device is compromised?
[23:27] <ikonia> it's normally done with a dodgy shell script process jkoudys, the guy who maintains that shell script can help
[23:28] <ikonia> user01: depends on your perspective
[23:28] <sruli> Bashing-om: no output for that command
[23:28] <OerHeks> there is a #crouton support channel
[23:29] <user01> ikonia, if i just copy the contents of .ssh then to the other device that would do?
[23:29] <Bashing-om> sruli: No output in that case is a good thing . ' how about now ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[23:29] <ikonia> user01: you just need the public/private keys, thats it
[23:29] <ikonia> nothing else
[23:30] <pavlos> schnitz, echo $RANDOM
[23:30] <user01> ikonia, ok i thought ssh keys should be per user-device and pgp per user across devices
[23:30] <sruli> Bashing-om: paste.ubuntu.com/23650852
[23:30] <schnitz> pavlos oh wow great
[23:30] <ikonia> user01: it's totally up to you how you manage keys
[23:30] <ikonia> user01: many ways and pros/cons
[23:31] <pavlos> schnitz, number from 0..32767
[23:31] <jkoudys> I've seen plenty of stackoverflow questions for people with mysql update problems, but on docker builds. Sounds like the problem is more how the services restart inside a chroot
[23:31] <ikonia> jkoudys: your install is not supported here
[23:32] <Bashing-om> sruli: That says a driver " configuration: driver=amdgpu " is loaded . So what is the particular issue you are facing ?
[23:32] <sruli> Bashing-om: that i only works after installing the ~150mb package from amd site, isnt it supposed to be suppoted in the kernel?
[23:33] <schnitz> pavlos ... right but how to I get that into my rename procedure in bash?
[23:33] <ikonia> sruli: pleae stop saying "it only works"
[23:33] <schnitz> pavlos "change all filenames to a random number"
[23:33] <ikonia> explain the actual problem
[23:33] <schnitz> pavlos using rename or bash
[23:34] <sruli> ikonia: sorry i really dont know how to explain it better, question is - are the new amd cards supported in the kernel without needing to install packages from amd?
[23:34] <ikonia> sruli: the question is "what is the problem"
[23:35] <ikonia> sruli: no other question matters
[23:36] <Bashing-om> sruli: Yeah .. Mind ya, lots I do not know .. but I have seen that later cards with amdgpo-pro also need the vulcan SDK . A conflict now " what returns ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ; lsmod | grep amdgpu-pro ' ?
[23:36] <OerHeks> AMD provides a proprietary, binary userland driver called AMDGPU PRO, which works on top of the open-source AMDGPU ... so no.
[23:37] <ikonia> we still don't know the problem
[23:37] <ikonia> beyond "it doesn't work"
[23:37] <ikonia> I want to know the problem before anything else
[23:37] <sruli> Bashing-om: paste.ubuntu.com/23650863 no putput the the amdgpu-pro
[23:38] <OerHeks> oh, true, as the standard amdgpu should work basicly.
[23:40] <sruli> OerHeks: not sure i understand, my question again do i need to install the packages from amd for it to work or should it be supported out of the box?
[23:40] <ikonia> sruli: what is the problem
[23:40] <ikonia> tell us the problem
[23:41] <Chrismeister> Does anyone know any Linux-compatible racing wheel with force feedback?
[23:43] <Bashing-om> sruli: No idea of how you generated that last log .. but it seems to show there is no GPU problem . So again .. what is the particular issue here ?
[23:44] <Ben64> 23:06:55 T:18446744073501935920  NOTICE: GL_RENDERER = Mali-450 MP
[23:44] <Ben64> that isn't amd
[23:44] <sruli> Bashing-om: you can see in the paste how i generated it, i think i am asking a simple question, do i need to install the amd packages for the card to work or should it be supported without?
[23:45] <ikonia> sruli: what is the problem
[23:45] <ikonia> sruli: explain the problem - or stop asking
[23:45] <OerHeks> android with kodi ?
[23:45] <ikonia> sorry t be blunt but you are messing us around here
[23:45]  * OerHeks is baffled
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Oh what sharp eyes you have oh wise one .
[23:47] <pavlos> schnitz, see pm
[23:47] <sruli> ikonia: i give up
[23:48] <ikonia> ok
[23:49] <sruli> on another subject, i have a few machines running ubuntu-mate and are very slow (even after fresh install, unity was even slower) i ran a memtest which passed, i also ran a bonnie++ test but dont understand the results, can anyone take a look and see if it seems ok? https://pste.eu/p/wNBv.html (all the machines are i3 or i5 min 8gb ram)
[23:49] <ikonia> sruli: that means nothing to us
[23:50] <sruli> how can i start to check why its so slow? last week i was advised here to start by making a bonnie++ test
[23:51] <ikonia> you need to understand if it's actually slow or visually slow
[23:51] <sruli> in htop i see cpu is at 0-2% all teh time yet to open caja takes about 10 seconds
[23:52] <sruli> ikonia: i dont know how to check that, but "du -sch" on a ~300gb dir took about 10 minutes, i would guess thats actually not visually
[23:52] <ikonia> how do you know
[23:52] <ikonia> it could do that in seconds and take a long time to render
[23:53] <Ben64> laptops generally are pretty slow, especially hard drive, but cpu too
[23:53] <sruli> to render the text in the command line? ok basically i am asking where do i start looking my the system is slow?
[23:54] <ra21vi> i am getting weired rendering issue in chrome. Where should i upload screenshot for sharing?
[23:55] <lapion> any one else having troubles with only getting ipv6 on boot even though profiles have been manually set to use ipv4 ?
[23:55] <ikonia> sruli: I'd be looking at your X org config
[23:55] <Ben64> lapion: explain your issue in detail
[23:55] <sruli> Ben64: the lagging i get in these machines render them useless, i refuse to Capt that ubuntu needs more powerfull hardware the closed source alternatives
[23:55] <sruli> ikonia: what should i be looking for?
[23:55] <ikonia> sruli: the config
[23:55] <ikonia> make sure it's using your video cards properly
[23:56] <Ben64> sruli: ok so figure out what is making it slow
[23:56] <lapion> I have a system on which In nm-applet I set a static ipv4. however upon booting up nm-applet/networkmanager creates a new profile without ipv4 and oly ipv6
[23:56] <pavlos> sruli, this should take about 10 seconds, time sleep 10 Can you test on one machine?
[23:56] <sruli> lol
[23:56] <ikonia> "time sleep"
[23:57] <ikonia> "time ls"
[23:57] <ikonia> you'll get stats
[23:57] <OerHeks> awesome!
[23:57] <lapion> Ben64, if I manually select the profile after booting ipv4 is active.. however only upon manually selecting the profile ipv4 is accepted
[23:58] <lapion> ben64 is that sufficient detail ?
[23:59] <ra21vi> where to paste image?
[23:59] <Ben64> lapion: probably to start. now wait to see if anyone has a suggestion