[00:08] <oceanquake> Hi all.  I'm trying to install Kubuntu 14.04 LTS on a machine with intel graphics.  After boot, I see the wallpaper and the Kubuntu 14.04 window where the installation dialogs are presumably supposed to be, but that dialog is just gray/white.  I can switch VTs via Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc., but can't get any content to appear in the installer window.  Web searches didn't turn this up, so help would be appreciated.
[00:48] <oceanquake> hmm, the main download page points to 14.04.4 , but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/ shows a 14.04.5 .  14.04.5 seems to work.
[01:01] <sintre> is there a way to remove a backport , installed one for gfx drivers to try and fix a konsole crashing , it updated some drivers but , the server takes like a minute to load headers
[01:24] <R13ose> Still having a hardtime with touchpad, too sensitive
[03:19] <kuSuSE> I just disable mine when I boot if I have an external USB mouse with me
[03:20] <kuSuSE> oh wow I replied after two hours
[03:20] <kuSuSE> this channel is dead >_>
[03:20] <sintre> yea slow night :)
[03:21] <sintre> i use a notebook as well , but also an external mouse so haven't messed around with touch pad settings
[03:21] <sintre> so no help from here really
[03:22] <DarinMiller> somebody fighting touchpad issues?
[03:23] <DarinMiller> I missed the post....
[03:23] <sintre> somebody said there touchpad was to sensistive like an hour ago
[03:24] <sintre> R13ose
[03:24] <sintre> Still having a hardtime with touchpad, too sensitive
[03:24] <sintre> still in chat maybe she'll come back
[03:25] <sintre> no offens eif that turns out to be a he :)
[03:25] <DarinMiller> sintre: try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput.  That makes my jittery mouse pad on a Lenovo work work almost perfectly
[03:25] <sintre> not me was other user
[03:25] <sintre> :)
[03:26] <DarinMiller> My only gripe is palm detection is still fails to ignore my palm.
[03:26] <sintre> this old alppy , but getting my new mouse is actualy opposite
[03:26] <sintre> new system is i3 2 ghz
[03:26] <sintre> still clean , that touch pad is twice the size
[03:27] <sintre> but only problem with it is making double click on scroll bars stick , so gotta double click and hold again
[03:27] <sintre> another minor issue for me to chew on :)
[03:28] <sintre> mine is a dell
[03:29] <sintre> after i get this old work horse worked out , then i can start with new one before i swap over all stuff and make it my main
[03:34] <[Relic]> would any problems show up if I had 2 exact same monitors on the same vid card; any random switching around?
[03:34] <sintre> i've had problems with duel monitors in older plsma 5.8
[03:34] <sintre> but when trouble shooting some others said that exact reolution for each is fine
[03:35] <sintre> not possible for me with my set up though
[03:35] <sintre> but different resolutions in plsm 5..5
[03:35] <sintre> didn't like or understand different resolutions running in duel or extended
[03:36] <sintre> so one or the other had to be huighe ror lower which made everything look like crap
[03:36] <sintre> older plsama 5.5 sry
[03:36] <[Relic]> I was just wondering about exactly the same monitors say something like asus model a247x (made up number); I currently have 2 same resolution different mfg monitors running
[03:36] <sintre> i haven't got a chance to test plsma 5.8 yet
[03:37] <sintre> well honestly if win junk 10 can do duel or extended
[03:37] <sintre> to native resolutions of different monitors maybe we can  find a way to :)
[03:38] <sintre> before i nixed win ten and its junk hdd from new system tested it
[03:38] <sintre> so it a software issue on kde/plsa side and now with everybody getting computers qwith hdmi or vga out  hopefully we can go there
[03:39] <sintre> i also had a problem with 0 sound being carrieds thru hdmi
[03:39] <sintre> again haven't tested 5.8 on new system yet
[03:40] <sintre> would be nice to be able to relax on couch with bigg tv as monitor and some blue tooth keyboard/mice
[03:41] <sintre> :)
[03:42] <[Relic]> I just use 10 foot cables  :)
[03:42] <sintre> well thats one solution :)
[03:59] <tuxisagamer> I just upgraded to 16.10 and now my system won't boot with EFI enabled and without EFI there's no sound.
[04:01] <sintre> can you get into an os
[04:02] <tuxisagamer> Yeah, I can boot to the desktop with EFI disabled and the EFI partition commented out.
[04:02] <sintre> seems  more like a driver problem , i had my own battle with the new firmware nonsense
[04:03] <tuxisagamer> I've tried switching the EFI and swap partitions even.
[04:03] <sintre> well my firm ware on my new system is uefi
[04:03] <sintre> even more annoying
[04:04] <sintre> as for sound i would look up and try to update drivers and packages
[04:04] <sintre> i couldn't even boot
[04:04] <tuxisagamer> Everything was working fine till this morning.
[04:04] <sintre> i know that sounds simply , not meant to be offensive
[04:04] <sintre> so it DID work then stopped?
[04:05] <tuxisagamer> I built this machine 4 years ago.
[04:05] <sintre> ok after your upgrade was that when it stopped working?
[04:06] <tuxisagamer> I upgraded it a few days ago. Was working fine till this morning.
[04:06] <sintre> so it did work
[04:06] <sintre> , not its just stopped
[04:07] <sintre> i would try a live dvd/usb stick and see
[04:07] <sintre> make sure it note a potential hardware failure
[04:07] <tuxisagamer> I already ran a full bad block check on the drive.
[04:08] <sintre> not concerned about block
[04:08] <sintre> make sure your audio is working hardware wise is first step imo
[04:08] <sintre> then can go deeper ito potential hardware issues
[04:08] <sintre> weould be my plan of action , than again i'm a noob :)
[04:09] <tuxisagamer> It boots into a live usb fine.
[04:09] <sintre> does audio work then?
[04:09] <sintre> in live
[04:09] <tuxisagamer> That I didn't check.
[04:10] <sintre> well sinse audio is the problem might wanna go there
[04:10] <sintre> first before messing around with a never ending hit and miss with drivers
[04:11] <tuxisagamer> With splash turned off and my efi partition active in fstab I was getting timeouts after quota check.
[04:11] <sintre> and also test if you can not just speakers , but another set of headphones
[04:11] <tuxisagamer> So I have been looking at the drive and partitions.
[04:12] <sintre> well your probally mor knowledgable than me , that stuff is above my head . I'm the start first elimate potential cause then move on kind guy
[04:12] <sintre> wish i could help more
[04:12] <sintre> :(
[04:12] <sintre> i don't think the drive or partitions would have anything to do with your audio not working
[04:12] <sintre> whats Installed on them probally do
[04:13] <sintre> also , not linux or os related
[04:13] <tuxisagamer> I've tried like 6 or 7 kernel versions and they're all suddenly failing with the efi partition enabled.
[04:13] <sintre> i've used enough computers to know that sometimes static electricity can get built up inside a pc long enough to block signals from ports
[04:14] <tuxisagamer> The audio device is currently showing as dummy output.
[04:14] <sintre> so unpolugging everything and grounding yourself before you do it , then giving whole system a rest for thirty minutes might help
[04:15] <tuxisagamer> Checking the audio in a live usb is not a bad idea.
[04:19] <tuxisagamer> Yeah. Sound in Live USB.
[04:19] <sintre> ok so now its not hardware failure
[04:19] <sintre> i assume you've got everything updated?
[04:19] <tuxisagamer> Yes.
[04:20] <DarinMiller> tuxisagamer: regarding your sound issue, did you right click on the speaker in your panel and select audio settings?
[04:21] <DarinMiller> tuxisagamer: by chance is the audio icon missing?
[04:22] <tuxisagamer> No, the audio icon isn't missing. But all mixers only show the dummy output.
[04:23] <DarinMiller> OK, do you know how to manually add widgets to your panel?
[04:24] <tuxisagamer> The audio works in the live USB I just booted too. But yes, I know how to add a new widget.
[04:25] <tuxisagamer> The audio is just a symptom. Something is wrong with either my efi settings or disc settings.
[04:25] <sintre> i still don't get how your disc settings would affect audio playback
[04:26] <tuxisagamer> Any big changes in EFI between 16.04 and 16.10?
[04:26] <tuxisagamer> With EFI turned on it's timing out on the EFI partition. Regardless of wheter EFI is on sda1 or sda3
[04:27] <DarinMiller> I would tend to agree that the EFI security settings should have no affect on the sound.
[04:27] <tuxisagamer> I disable EFI in the MB and the partition in fstab it will boot but there's no sound module being loaded.
[04:28] <sintre> well , your install was meant for efi or uefi
[04:29] <DarinMiller> However, I did a fresh install of 17.04 today and it was missing the sound icon panel and keyboard volume controls failed to work.
[04:29] <DarinMiller> After adding the sound icon, keyboard controls worked as expected.
[04:30] <DarinMiller> Also, I have seen some updates default to the wrong sound output. So once the sound icon is on the panel, right click on it and select sound settings.
[04:31] <DarinMiller> Go to the Audio Volume Icon and select output devices.
[04:32] <DarinMiller> Ensure to select the port that is used for power your speakers or headphones.
[04:33] <tuxisagamer> That won't help if the kernel modules aren't loading. I've just piped the lsmod output from the live-usb to the system harddrive and gonna try to manually load the kernel modules.
[04:37] <DarinMiller> hmm, if he fixes that the issue, I hope shares how he did it.  I have never heard of switching boot modes affecting sound.
[04:37] <sintre> me either
[04:37] <sintre> i had my own problem with new firmare
[04:37] <sintre> turned out to be the partition table
[04:37] <sintre> but never affected sound
[04:39] <sintre> he also said that it worked fine for days then just stopped
[04:39] <sintre> which is even more confusing
[04:39] <sintre> normally you can kinda link action  = problem
[04:40] <sintre> thats why i asked him to check live ussb/dvd
[04:42] <sintre> only thing i think to tewll him sinse he built is rig 4 years ago is to see if there is a bios upgrade available
[04:43] <rbetzen> valorie:: finished reinstalling and now running kubuntu like a champ!  :)
[04:43] <DarinMiller> yes, upgrading bios from from linux can be challenging on some systems
[04:43] <sintre> well sinse his mobo has a dated but not newest version something might not be matching up
[04:44] <sintre> my system is so old doesn't have that , legacy only
[04:45] <DarinMiller> Just walked my dad thru a 16.04 backport upgrade, other than a prolonged shutdown it went smoothly.
[04:45] <DarinMiller> I have 3 EFI systems, not issues on any of them.
[04:46] <sintre> well sound is a bizarree one considering it works obviously
[04:46] <sintre> as a live usb can make noise
[04:46] <sintre> so another head scratcher
[04:47] <DarinMiller> agreed.
[04:47] <DarinMiller> One older system is kicking my butt though, after I installed a refurbished SSD.  It's russian rullet whether the ksmserver will crash on wake.
[04:48] <sintre> haha well atleast you have your knsole :P
[04:48] <sintre> but atleast i know how to get it back now
[04:48] <DarinMiller> After installing Neon, 16.10 and 17.04 all with same symptons, I am betting the SSD is the cause.'
[04:49] <sintre> i will not blame my lil ssd that could on my konsole be a pain :)
[04:49] <DarinMiller> I asked my dad to test his terminal based on your issues and his is working just fine also, but he does not have an NVidia card.
[04:49] <sintre> got a 120 gig in this one and a 250 gig in the other
[04:50] <sintre> yes it is wierd as hell
[04:50] <sintre> think about asking that
[04:50] <sintre> help my console don't work
[04:50] <sintre> like serious guys lol
[04:51] <sintre> but i think we went thru everything and then some
[04:51] <sintre> new driver every output ect.
[04:52] <sintre> i'll see if it reproduces in new system as i haven't updated that thru backports yet
[04:52] <sintre> i don't think it will
[04:52] <sintre> narrow it down further
[04:54] <DarinMiller> I was hoping you might have your old spare HD laying around where you could fresh install.  I hate recommending that, but installs are so fast these days I rather take the 45min re-install hit than spend hours of googling and trying random stuff.
[04:54] <sintre> actually
[04:54] <DarinMiller> Although, I always learn cool stuff when such occasions occur.
[04:55] <sintre> is it possible to do a usb install
[04:55] <DarinMiller> Yes, as long you bios is set to boot from USB, you can install and boot to usb.
[04:55] <sintre> yea i got threee drive laying around collecting dust
[04:55] <sintre> drives
[04:56] <sintre> external enxlosure
[04:56] <sintre> not usb
[04:56] <sintre> stick but literaly drives
[04:56] <sintre> easy legacy
[04:56] <sintre> but this old system usb2
[04:56] <sintre> but i think it'll do for testing
[04:57] <DarinMiller> They will work.  Ensure to write the boot info to the external usb.  it will be /sdb or /sdc or something like that.  Do know of this install option?
[04:57] <sintre> i'm actually at this point curious myself wtf is with this
[04:57] <sintre> na another thing to learn
[04:57] <sintre> :)
[04:58] <DarinMiller> let me see if I can find a picture of that install screen....
[04:59] <DarinMiller> OK, 42s into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm6TGqFCbQI
[05:00] <sintre> k got it book marked
[05:00] <sintre> this week hell or high water i will figure this out
[05:00] <DarinMiller> Boot loader option at the bottom of the screen.  Ensure that points to your USB drive otherwise, you will have an opportunity to learn a whole lot more :)
[05:00] <sintre> just gotta wipe out this lil 40 gig drive
[05:00] <DarinMiller> perfect.
[05:01] <sintre> got a 320 and a 500 lil lappy dirves
[05:01] <sintre> think those to a lil over kill lol
[05:01] <sintre> lord i have to many drives around
[05:02] <DarinMiller> If you forget to set the boot loader to your usb, the boot info is written over the top you existing boot loader information on main drive and when you try to boot with the usb, you system will be confused.
[05:02] <DarinMiller> It's all fixabel though: live boot, chroot and reconfigure grub.
[05:02] <sintre> i'll install from new clean pc so if that happens its a 10 minute fix :)
[05:03] <sintre> gonna cover bases hehe
[05:03] <DarinMiller> Yep
[05:03] <sintre> yea well me and grub loaders never played nice , but time to learn heh
[05:04] <sintre> but yea starting froma  clean install with an external can back track exact install of everything
[05:04] <sintre> so maybe can find when the probklem acurs and with what update
[05:05] <sintre> btw dev chellen depressing all failing or still failing  :(
[05:06] <DarinMiller> Yes, knowing what and when is definitely key to bisecting the problem.
[05:06] <DarinMiller> ? dev chellen ?
[05:06] <sintre> chanel
[05:06] <sintre> the other one i bug you in
[05:07] <DarinMiller> Oh, that's normal.  I am trying to learn how to fix those myself. Right now I cause more problems than I fix.
[05:07] <sintre> given my task to trouble shoot this , not motivational lol
[05:08] <DarinMiller> :)
[05:08] <sintre> alright midnight here , time to hit a shower and get some sleep
[05:09] <sintre> tomorrow i'll be back around with my lil hdd and see if i can recreate this
[05:09] <sintre> and again thx a ton for your help
[06:32] <R13ose> I installed the package mentioned above but still touchpad is sensitive
[07:43] <santiago68> good morning, This is Diego of Geneva, Switzerland "santiago68", I would like to have a registration code, please
[07:43] <valorie> registration code?
[07:43] <valorie> for what?
[07:44] <valorie> !register | santiago68
[07:44] <santiago68> to register on the community.linuxmint.com
[07:44] <valorie> if that is what you mean
[07:44] <valorie> mint is not kubuntu
[07:45] <santiago68> oh sorry
[07:45] <santiago68> i am at the wrong place
[07:45] <valorie> and we don't have anything to do with their website
[07:45] <valorie> sorry
[07:45] <santiago68> no prob, sorry for the disturbance
[07:45] <valorie> !mint
[07:46] <santiago68> ok
[07:46] <santiago68> tks
[07:46] <valorie> looks like they use a different network, rather than freenode
[07:46] <valorie> sorry
[08:52] <irctc003> Hi
[08:52] <irctc003> I have just recently install Kubuntu 16.04
[08:53] <irctc003> There is this annoying thing on the taskbar when you hover it displays the entire application
[08:53] <irctc003> How do I turn it off ?
[08:54] <hateball> irctc003: rightclick the panel and go into settings, disable preview
[08:55] <hateball> tooltips, they might be called
[08:55] <hateball> I dont use english locale, so
[08:55] <tlotr> Got it
[08:55] <irctc003> Got it
[08:55] <irctc003> Thanks hateball
[08:55] <hateball> :)
[09:03] <denza242> Hi, I'm helping a friend install Kubuntu
[09:03] <denza242> and um, I dunno what the boot menu key is for their Asus laptop
[09:33] <R13ose> denza242: did you try holding down the shift key?
[09:43] <efloid> anyone know which setting determines whether you can resize windows by left-click dragging the corners?
[09:43] <efloid> otherwise i think the default is alt + right click
[09:44] <efloid> on one machine when i put cursor to corner of window it doesn't change to the drag cursor unless i press alt - right click
[09:51] <R13ose> efloid: you looked into the corners settings?
[09:54] <lordievader> efloid: I have it set the resize window to Super + right-click, let met check where I did that.
[09:55] <lordievader> efloid: System Settigns -> Window Behaviour -> Window Actions -> Inner Window, Titlebar & Frame
[09:58] <R13ose> Still having a hardtime with a too sensitive touchpad.  How do I fix that?
[10:00] <soee_> R13ose: http://i.imgur.com/VWGhBIW.png
[10:02] <R13ose> soee_: scrolling tab or another one?
[10:09] <R13ose> soee_: I tried changing settings in sensitivity bi
[10:10] <R13ose> but didn't make this less sensitive
[11:14] <EventHorizon> evening...  Is the spash screen background still via: /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/components/artwork/
[11:15] <EventHorizon> having trouble changing the .png after the update.
[11:45] <EventHorizon> evening.  what line do i amend in the splash.qml to change the breeze black background to an image?
[11:47] <EventHorizon> https://paste.kde.org/pmsdnluqu
[11:48] <xeverton> falaeee
[11:48] <xEverton> alguem
[11:53] <xEverton> tudo bot
[12:20] <Dienonymous> saludos familia
[12:34] <Dienonymous> saludos famiolia como estan en este dia
[12:34] <Dienonymous> ?
[12:36] <Dienonymous> espero entiendan el castellano
[12:37] <Dienonymous> por que hay que tener cuidado con los drones de materia organica masificada que se alimentan de energia viviente osea tu
[12:38] <Dienonymous> se lucha muy facil
[12:39] <lordievader> !es | Dienonymous
[12:39] <Dienonymous> se inyectan gusanos bot y malguares revolucionarios espejo contrincante independientes en la energia
[12:39] <Dienonymous> ok
[12:40] <Dienonymous>  gracias
[13:02] <Guest83866> Hi, my kmail don't start after update. What can I do to use it again?
[13:03] <soee_> might be akonadi fault
[13:04] <soee_> what console says wen you run kmail from it ?
[13:05] <Guest83866> akonadi is online, I got messages of new email, no error/info in konsole after sonnet.core
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:08] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question?  I know sensitive in the touchpad settings need to be fixed but hasn't fixed this for me yet.
[14:18] <Guest25270> what's wrong? kmail don't start after last update. I need help
[14:18] <Guest25270> what can I do to find the problem?
[14:45] <R13ose> Any ideas?
[15:15] <R13ose> This is super annoying, the sensitive is driving me insane
[16:08] <momken> hello
[16:08] <sintre> hi
[16:08] <momken> How can I enable hibernate in kubuntu?
[16:09] <momken> hi sintre, How are you today?
[16:09] <sintre> good , hmm i'd look nunder power management
[16:10] <sintre> seems kubuntu has a suspend feature
[16:10] <sintre> not sure how close that is to hybernate in a windows box though
[16:10] <momken> sintre: suspend is different with hibernate. hibernate is saving ram in disk
[16:11] <sintre> hmm i can't find any settings for that , i'm also using older lts 16.04
[16:11] <sintre> not sure if newer features in new version
[16:12] <sintre> but its early around here west coast people barely rolin out of bed
[16:12] <sintre> later should be somebody who knows more than me
[16:13] <sintre> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[16:13] <sintre> looking for some type of gui setting you can set , no luck so far
[16:13] <momken> sintre: Oh. Ok thanks. But the "hibernate" is a global thing in ubuntu.
[16:13] <sintre> so seems you can do it
[16:13] <sintre> yea found that
[16:13] <momken> And "sudo pm-hibernate" worked correctly in terminal
[16:14] <momken> But I couldn't find a button for it!
[16:14] <sintre> well think the only thing is is to request some setting / gui app to enable it  easier :)
[16:14] <sintre> or add to power management setting in plsma
[16:15] <sintre> seems simple enough , probally not alot of people have requested it
[16:16] <sintre> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58931-How-to-enable-Hibernate-on-(Kubuntu-system-menu-gt-Leave)
[16:22] <momken> sintre: It was written that "The presence of btrfs partitions has proved to make hibernation fail" which is wrong. I have mounted some Btrfs partitions and pm-hibernate still worked
[16:22] <sintre> no clue , i've never used hybernation
[16:23] <sintre> justonly post i found that had some instructio to add option to list
[16:23] <sintre> also probally an old thread as well
[16:24] <sintre> but certainly a feature if stable , i don't see why we should have easier way to activate it
[16:24] <sintre> so curious why its left out , could be plsma devels just didn't think top priority
[16:25] <sintre> maybe shoot em an email ask if they could consider it?
[16:26] <sintre> and include what you know , and that you use the feature ect.
[16:27] <momken> ok
[16:28] <momken> let me restart to see if hibernate is added by modifying polkit files
[16:31] <JonelethIrenicus> i just upgraded my packages in 16.04 and i am missing my system tray icons even after reboot
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus> getting this error when i try to upgrade the rest of the packages
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5mailcommon-plugins_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa61_amd64.deb
[16:33] <sintre> have you tried the update again
[16:33] <JonelethIrenicus> sintre: yeah just now
[16:33] <JonelethIrenicus> can i remove that package?
[16:33] <sintre> :( hmm , well you could start adding them back manually , i heard somebody mention something like this the other day, i'm using 16.04 ths one hans't happend to me 'yet'
[16:34] <sintre> i don't know enough to give you a good answer either way
[16:34] <JonelethIrenicus> sintre: do you have the backports ppa?
[16:34] <sintre> yea
[16:34] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah me too
[16:34] <momken> sintre: It worked and now the hibernate button is present
[16:34] <sintre> momnken> great
[16:35] <sintre> momeken>  i'd still shoot an email i think it should be disabled be default , but left out?
[16:35] <sintre> maybe they're afraid people's pc's will go to sleep and not wake up :)
[16:35] <sintre> momken> can you set a timer to hybernate?
[16:36] <sintre> like in 30 mins hybernate ect.
[16:37] <momken> sintre: Yes. It is now available as an option in Power Management
[16:37] <sintre> good good
[16:37] <sintre> well we know a solution to one problem :)
[16:38] <sintre> something so small i'd think they'd be able to fix rather quickly
[16:38] <sintre> or they intentionally don't have it there , because of that kinda sorta bug
[16:38] <momken> sintre: Yeah, but I guess it had many bugs in other settings, so they disabled it by default
[16:39] <sintre> yea safe than sry i guess
[16:39] <momken> I think pm-hibernate doesn't work in certain situations, which is why they disabled it
[16:40] <sintre> yea trying to have a feature like that for any imaginable setup , probally might be a pain
[16:58] <Fritigern> valorie: Congrats on your new wave of Twitter followers! :-)
[17:31] <marco-parillo> BluesKaj: I remember you used to like the Plasma 4 feature of different wallpapers on each virtual desktop (not activity). Somebody has hacked together a work-around: https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch
[17:37] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, thanks for the tip :-)
[18:14] <momken> Hello
[18:14] <Crell> Hi folks. I'm giving Chromium browser a try on a freshly installed Kubuntu system.  It's mostly working, but most video is not.  YouTube does, Twitter does not, for instance.  Any idea what package/lib/codec/thing I'm missing?
[18:14] <momken> I have Kubuntu 16.04 updated to latest packages and connected to 2 monitors. But after each reboot it acts differently
[18:14] <Crell> I have chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra installed already, so it's not that.
[18:15] <momken> I have set the below monitor to be primary, but sometimes after reboot the upper screen takes all panels and sometimes the below screen is blank
[18:15] <momken> like this: https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/BdJg
[18:19] <momken> Is it a known bug of Kubuntu or it may be due to old KDE version?
[18:19] <momken> In #kde channel they said I should upgrade to plasma 5.8
[18:20] <momken> How can I upgrade to plasma-5.8?
[18:20] <sintre> back ports
[18:20] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:21] <sintre> then sudo apt update
[18:21] <sintre> then sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:21] <sintre> keep in mind this could take a long time so get a beer
[18:22] <momken> sintre: Thanks very much dude. But what is backport? Does it mean porting latest code back from KDE to kubuntu?
[18:22] <momken> And is that PPA safe enough?
[18:22] <sintre> new programs on old version yea
[18:23] <sintre> one used and recomended for kubuntu
[18:23] <momken> If using the backport PPA is recommended for Kubuntu, then why they don't include it in ubuntu repos?
[18:24] <sintre> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:24] <sintre> they have there own
[18:24] <sintre> i assume
[18:24] <sintre> well results may very
[18:25] <sintre> its not officially supported
[18:25] <sintre> i guess
[18:27] <sintre> momken >  not sure offically recomended but to get newest packages on older installs and version its needed
[18:27] <sintre> also bug fixes ect.
[18:29] <momken> sintre: Hmm. So if the old KDE on kubuntu have some bugs, then I should use this PPA to get newer versions. However the newer version doesn't necessarily mean less-bugs
[18:30] <sintre> yep
[18:30] <momken> If the new version has new features, then it may have new bugs too
[18:30] <sintre> i had never ending crash problems with plsma on 16.10
[18:30] <sintre> so switched back to 16.04
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[18:31] <sintre> but backports let ya update alot of things without full distro upgrade
[18:31] <sintre> thats some good kububntu poetry dien
[18:31] <momken> Ok. I will update to backport PPA, only because of that weird bug, but I don't like updating to latest software everyday.
[18:31] <sintre> it won't you have to do it
[18:31] <momken> But backport ppa is getting updatied everyday!
[18:32] <sintre> stuff installed might phone home like normal updater
[18:32] <sintre> yes but you gotta go and manually make it update
[18:32] <sintre> from terminal
[18:32] <momken> hmmm
[18:32] <momken> Ok
[18:37] <markus_e92> Hi. How can I lockdown settings of okular for all users on the system? for a single user it works, if I edit .kde/share/config/okularpartrc e.g. MemoryLevel[$i]=Low
[18:38] <markus_e92> I use Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:40] <momken> sintre: What is different between upgrade and full-upgrade?
[18:41] <sintre> not sure , commands can kinda do same thing, but I think they'll do the same
[18:41] <sintre> full-upgrade is not a distro upgrade i can tell you thar for sure
[18:41] <sintre> another command used for that
[18:44] <genii> markus_e92: If you want users which will be added to the system to have this setting by default, make a file /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/okularpartrc   which has this in it. If you don't want them to change the setting, you can change ownership that rc file to root or another user they don't have the ability to write to files as
[18:49] <marco-parillo> momken: apt-get upgrade will not change what is installed (only versions), apt upgrade will automatically install but not remove packages, apt full-upgrade will install or remove packages as necessary to complete the upgrade,
[18:50] <marco-parillo> Hat tip: http://askubuntu.com/a/500928
[18:52] <momken> marco-parillo: Oh. Thanks
[18:53] <sintre> momken> what did you decide to do?
[18:57] <markus_e92> genii: I thought if I add my settings to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/config/okularpartrc it should work, but it's not. But e.g. power settings I could set /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings/powermanagementprofilesrc this works --> this settings is lockdown for all users
[18:57] <markus_e92> genii: is it maybe, because okular uses kde4?
[19:04] <genii> markus_e92: Sorry, don't know
[19:13] <markus_e92> genii: no problem
[20:04] <bruce_> evening all. running "sudo apt update" receiving all sorts of errors, for lack of a better word. many 404 errors and some business about missing Release files and not being able to securely update...
[20:04] <sintre> what version
[20:07] <bruce_> version of which software, kubuntu or apt? apt at 1.3.3
[20:07] <sintre> no clue about apt version , not that experienced here
[20:08] <sintre> been thru my own update headaches last weekis all
[20:08] <sintre> when is last time you updated?
[20:08] <Pici> What release of Kubuntu?
[20:08] <bruce_> 16.10, is that right?
[20:09] <sintre> well go to info senter under system
[20:09] <sintre> that should tell you version
[20:10] <sintre> center sry
[20:10] <bruce_> kubuntu: 16.10 and kernel: 4.8.0-22-generic
[20:11] <sintre> using lts here
[20:11] <sintre> so only thing i could think of is trying to add back ports , do you have those installed
[20:12] <bruce_> fresh installation
[20:13] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:13] <sintre> then try update
[20:15] <bruce_> just made it worse lol
[20:15] <sintre> this is weird
[20:15] <sintre> what was your install medium
[20:16] <sintre> usb dvd?
[20:16] <bruce_> usb/flash
[20:16] <sintre> ok , well if dvd i could say could of been a bad burn
[20:16] <bruce_> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3156-2/  "USN-3156-2: APT regression - 16th December 2016"
[20:16] <sintre> so thats out
[20:17] <sintre> well i guess follow that
[20:18] <sintre> pls inform if it works
[20:18] <bruce_> possible that something happened when running dd that caused dodgy write to of? cannot recall if i mounted or not. not sure if it will even transact unmounted.
[20:18] <bruce_> followed and failed o.O
[20:18] <sintre> ok hmm one thing that cna cause problems is the hdd partition table legacy /dos /gtp
[20:19] <sintre> can mess stuff up
[20:19] <sintre> never got mine to even boot though
[20:19] <bruce_> thanks for the assistance though. fedora just whispered something about coming home :)
[20:19] <sintre> so efi uefi firmare one system or older bios/legacy?
[20:20] <sintre> ok but i think there is a solution , just gotta find it
[20:20] <sintre> also was this a clean install to hdd , or a partioned ect.
[20:21] <sintre> ohh well
[21:18] <user|57370> Hello. I wanted to ask whether in the kubuntu-ppa / backports-landing Frameworks 5.29 and when to wait for the update?
[21:30] <soee> user|57370: grameworks 5.29 aren'r staged yet i think
[21:40] <xen_> boo
[21:41] <xen_> who feels Kubuntu releases happen too soon?
[21:41] <xen_> or too often?
[21:42] <xen_> do we get time to adjust, is there time to hammer things out, and is there time to really build something or do we spend all our energy on the plumbing?
[21:46] <xen_> Is Linux not an effort to rise above the endless fighting of the system?
[22:33] <tim2> hi, I'm using the KDE 5.28 packages from the Kubuntu backports PPA. Since the upgrade to 5.28 I'm unable to run .desktop files
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[23:34] <Poper> My kmail don't start after last update in 16.10. What can I do to use it again?
[23:35] <Poper> There is no output after sonnet.core. No crash message and akonadi is running.
[23:36] <Poper> But I see no window and the task use 25%(quadcore)