[05:15] <mapps> berlin station so good
[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:51] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:01] <foobarry> i bought an itunes voucher many years ago, and had to create an appleid
[09:02] <foobarry> keep getting attempts to login the account so i wanted to remove it...doesn't seem possible
[09:03] <popey> you have to ask them to remove it I think
[09:03] <foobarry> sigh
[09:04] <popey> oh, you might be able to from within itunes
[09:04] <popey> but that means installing itunes
[09:04] <SuperMatt> Vendor lock in? What vendor lock in?
[09:04] <foobarry>  We are unable to complete your request at this time. Please try again or come back later.
[09:04] <foobarry> thats the support page
[09:05] <foobarry> and a spinning whell. just like using a mac
[09:12] <foobarry> they have to call me :(
[09:15] <foobarry> oh the shame when i had to answer my comical security questions on the phone
[09:16] <foobarry> ..should i say flippant
[09:16] <SuperMatt> "What's your favourite operating system?"
[09:19] <foobarry> been passed to senior adviser
[09:19] <foobarry> "you don't have any plans to have any apple stuff in the future?"
[09:19] <SuperMatt> because you said your favourite is Linux?
[09:19] <foobarry> "your account will be locked forever"
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I have to use a mac for work, and it's just terrible. For instance, there's no option for the dock to intellihide
[09:20] <SuperMatt> It's either hidden all the time of visible all the time
[09:21] <knightwise> morning
[09:22] <foobarry> "are you currently involved in legal action against apple"
[09:24] <foobarry> i get the impression not many people do this
[09:36] <SuperMatt> heh
[09:43] <knightwise> Ya-a--a-awn
[09:51] <foobarry> does retro pie work oOK with pi zero?
[09:53] <foobarry> was thinking of getting some of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-Wired-USB-SNES-Controller-Retro-Gaming-Joypad-Joystick-Gamepad-For-Nintendo-/162281751335?hash=item25c8bf0327:g:8JEAAOSwcLxYKyg8
[09:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:32] <popey> foobarry: i use a pi3 but any pi will do for retropie
[10:32] <popey> I have 8bitdo bluetooth controllers with my pi3. works a treat
[10:39] <foobarry> quite expensive?
[10:39] <popey> they're more expensive than the cheapo wired ones on ebay, yeah
[10:44] <popey> search for 8bitdo
[10:44] <popey> they're quality devices
[11:00] <foobarry> been enjoying star wars pinball on android over the weekend, but got bad headaches
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> the game occupying my time is pixel dungeon, a roguealike variamt thats fairly hard
[13:10] <knightwise> hmmm. is it possible that i need to upgrade my xps firmware to get bluetooth to work   ? ?
[13:10] <knightwise> cant connect a single bluetooth mouse
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> do any other bt devices work?
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> send a file from a phone etc.
[13:12] <knightwise> i havent been able to pair my bluetooth speakers so far
[13:12] <knightwise> tried an apple mouse and 2 bluetooth models
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> it may have a limited bt feature set, try sending receiving a file from a phone.  one of the more basic services
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> but it doesn't look good
[13:13] <knightwise> :( Hmmm
[13:13] <knightwise> gonna google some more , see if i can find something out
[13:16] <knightwise> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2323373
[13:17] <knightwise> hmm. downloading firmware from a dropbox like . rrrr
[13:33] <foobarry> knightwise: borrow a BT usb adapter from someone
[13:33] <knightwise> foobarry: gonna try that
[13:33] <knightwise> see if that works
[13:58] <ali1234> sending a file from a phone over bluetooth is a bad test because it is explicitly broken
[13:59] <ali1234> the feature was maintained by gnome so they removed it without writing a replacement
[14:04]  * zmoylan-pi makes a note to check what's doing the transfer next time i bt to a laptop
[14:23] <Rixon> Hi there, I've been following a guide to pivot_root so I can shrink my root fs+lvm and grow my var fs+lvm, I got as far as copying the necessary parts into tmpfs and restarting all the services, fuser -vm and lsof both roport nothing holding onto /oldroot but I still can't umount it =( I saw a suggestion that /oldroot/boot might still be mounted, but it's not
[14:25] <Rixon> any ideas on what to investigate if fuser -vm and lsof both have nothing left to tell me?
[14:47] <diddledan> Rixon: what about /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys and any other mountpoints?
[14:48] <diddledan> Rixon: I'd recommend doing the resize in a live-boot environment rather than off your working installation
[14:53] <Rixon> diddledan: unfortunately we have no physical access to the machine, so no liveCD trickery, hence the online resize
[14:53] <Rixon>  /dev, /proc, /sys and /run are all in tmpfs now and pivot_root worked fine
[14:54] <diddledan> yes but did you unmount the old locations?
[14:55] <Rixon> aaaah it looks like umount -a didn't catch them because they were still busy - thanks I think I should be able to pick it up from there ;)
[14:58] <Rixon> dunno how I didn't see that haha
[17:06] <daftykins> diddledan: i see your cat links and i raise you...
[17:06] <daftykins> kittens in 4K! https://www.dropbox.com/s/50xmsuxadlinsy7/VID_20161219_133034.mp4?dl=0
[17:46] <diddledan> naww, cute kitties
[17:47] <daftykins> adding to the 2 year old son and wee dog, bit crazy that place now :>
[17:48] <daftykins> ooh i just tried a bit more of Tron: Legacy out on the LG OLED, sooo nice looking \o/
[17:48] <diddledan> \o/
[17:48] <daftykins> with any luck the 2017 models will be cheaper ;)
[17:49] <daftykins> i could totally move up from a 55" to a 65" ;)
[18:01] <davmor2> daftykins: awwwwwwwwwwwwww
[18:08] <daftykins> =]
[18:44] <diddledan> I'm curious if anyone thinks snap could replace rather than compliment something like docker
[18:45] <diddledan> (or lxd)
[18:45] <diddledan> there's some kind of similarities in containers and snap's confinement model but implemented using different tech
[18:46] <diddledan> and if not replace, how do you see snap complimenting docker or vicky verky
[18:55] <davmor2> diddledan: there is a very nice summary that mark did let me see if I can find it
[18:55] <diddledan> \o/
[18:56] <diddledan> thankyou :-)
[18:56]  * diddledan checks shuttleworth.com
[18:56] <diddledan> apparently mark is into integrated product handling solutions :-p
[18:57] <davmor2> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3yusiCOCk
[18:58] <diddledan> lol @ docker and apt-get had a baby
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> a frankenstein kill it with fire baby...
[18:59] <diddledan> don't you love that mark has to have a label telling people he's mark shuttleworth? :-p
[18:59] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: besides the slide it's actually a good talk :)
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> could you pick top 20 silican valley faces out of a police line up? :-)
[19:01] <diddledan> well it depends whether I saw them actually commit the murder or not
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> they wouldn't murder, they'd violate a eula :-P
[19:02] <diddledan> even worse
[19:02] <davmor2> diddledan: hope that helps resolve your issue for you :)
[19:02] <diddledan> they might violate the GPL!
[19:03]  * diddledan watching it
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> gpl 1, 2 or 3, or lgpl? there's not a lot gpl in that...
[19:08] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's one project where bits touch all of the above ;)
[19:35] <diddledan> while we're talking about docker, I spun-up a few containers to support ubulog.com
[19:37] <diddledan> there's two elasticsearch containers, a web container, and a kibana container (for my use only)
[19:37] <diddledan> oh and a logstash container
[19:37] <diddledan> knew there was one I was forgetting :-p
[19:38] <diddledan> aah, and another container collecting the logs in the first place
[19:39] <diddledan> so that's 5 containers and 1 kibana container
[19:44] <diddledan> this guy's getting silly with it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4gH7e3mvFM (same conference as davmor2's link to Mark's explanation of snap vs docker)