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zbenjamin | zsombi: don't forget the PR please :) | 08:38 |
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zsombi | zbenjamin: I won't!!!! | 08:38 |
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kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: t1mp: I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-app-platform/+git/ubuntu-app-platform/+merge/311947 I think we definitely want to talk about language packs now. We can't be blowing up the base install of all core apps massively like that. | 13:04 |
kalikiana_ | Unless you can find a work-around that doesn't require that package | 13:05 |
t1mp | kalikiana_: right. Thanks for checking. | 13:05 |
t1mp | so, a separate language-packs snap would make sense. But I guess then the versions need to match? | 13:06 |
kalikiana_ | What versions do you mean? | 13:06 |
t1mp | each app and libs in the platform have their own translations? And the words used may differ between versions | 13:11 |
t1mp | so the app versions and the lib versions in the runtime snap all need to match the versions used for the translations? | 13:12 |
kalikiana_ | t1mp: I don't think we necessarily want to bundle translations of all the (core) apps. But rather lower level strings like glib or uitk, and for example ubuntu-keyboard- packages. | 13:16 |
kalikiana_ | So an app will continue to bundle its own localization, but not that of all the various libraries it's using if they come from a platform snap | 13:18 |
kalikiana_ | (And I'd tentatively propose to move the keyboard packages from the platform snap to the language snap) | 13:19 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, t1mp: I commented on the merge request. That specific change is not about language packs (but the conversation needs to happen regardless) | 14:07 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: Sure. But you're nevertheless proposing a massive increase in size right now. | 14:15 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, it’s either that, or a massive increase in size for every single app (if they need to apply the workaround themselves), or no localization | 14:16 |
oSoMoN | or is there another option? | 14:16 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: Well, I asked you first if there was another way, so you can guess that I don't have a suggestion right now :-D | 14:16 |
kalikiana_ | Of course it makes no sense for apps to ship it | 14:17 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: Although it would seem sensible to assume we could try to take only part of it, and see whatever is required to "make things work at all" without actual translations | 14:18 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, I’m not aware of any other way out or lighter workaround for now, unfortunately | 14:18 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: In any event your comment is not correct. There is nothing missing in the core image. It won't ever be added. | 14:20 |
kalikiana_ | For the same reason, the image needs to stay lean | 14:20 |
kalikiana_ | Language packs will need to solve that. | 14:20 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, I was under the impression that this was going to be addressed in snapd, at some point, given the description of bug #1576282, but I might have gotten it wrong | 14:21 |
ubot5` | bug 1576282 in Ubuntu App Platform "Snaps built from deb can't be gettext translated" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576282 | 14:22 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: I don't see how snapd is related at all. Are you looking at a particular comment? | 14:22 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, obviously we don’t need all the possible locale definitions that get installed with locales-all, only those that a user has on their system, and this is where snapd would come into play, it could expose them somehow to snaps | 14:23 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: Exposing? You still need to download them | 14:30 |
kalikiana_ | Which translates to a snap containing them | 14:30 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, right, so maybe there is a need for a locales snap | 14:32 |
kalikiana_ | oSoMoN: Well, we can see what timp thinks about it. since it's not a new bug or a regression I'm personally not fond of just adding it and potentially only revisiting it in a year | 14:36 |
kalikiana_ | We don't want to repeat the "why is libreoffice 10G" story :-P | 14:37 |
oSoMoN | kalikiana_, I’m not fond of the workaround either, I’d rather have a clean solution agreed upon and implemented soon | 14:37 |
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