[04:37] morning everyone [04:50] good morning [04:53] hi magespawn [04:54] how is the farm life Kilos? [05:30] Maaz tell magespawn dont get to do much, but very lekker peaceful and quiet ty [05:30] Kilos: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode [05:34] https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/861598-Flysaa-com-website-downtime [05:34] lol read my post on there [05:34] its kinda funny [05:34] the last comment in the list [07:35] G'morning guys, how you feeling Kilos? [07:38] hi Langjan ok ty and you [07:38] what broke now? [07:38] Fine thks Kilos [07:40] Just some feedback, I used the system repair utilities in grub and it kicked xscreensaver out, looks like that was the cause of the screen freezes [07:40] wonderful [07:40] happy to hear that, was rather a pain that [07:41] did you see to do that online? [07:41] if not post that info where you saw others with the same prob [07:41] No I just went there to see what happens. Now I have opera developer and normal, which one to use? [07:41] both [07:41] Developer still asks for key [07:42] why both? [07:42] i run both at the same time on different workspaces [07:42] its your choice what to use [07:42] I have two eyes but only one thinking tool [07:43] hha thats why i leave things open on different workspaces so i dont have to remember [07:43] Did the fly fly? [07:43] open browser and important links are still there [07:43] must bhave [07:43] have [07:44] oh my i didnt even wish him bon voyage [07:44] I suppose we will see him on irc but at restricted times [07:44] Maaz tell superfly Go safe our good friend [07:44] Kilos: Sure, I'll tell superfly on freenode [07:45] paddatrapper morning has fly left? [07:45] Maaz, tell superfly from me also [07:45] Langjan: Righto, I'll tell superfly on freenode [07:45] sad day for za buntu [07:46] Maaz, good guy [07:46] Langjan: What? [07:46] Bots dont have emotions [07:46] lol [07:47] Maaz good guy [07:47] You arent so bad yourslf my friend [07:47] he likes me more than you Langjan [07:48] So they do you must just understand their lingo [07:48] Maaz, good guy [07:48] You arent so bad yourslf my friend [07:48] haha [07:48] aha he acepted you into the fold [07:48] cant spell though [07:48] oh my [07:49] lmga [07:49] he sometimes makes spelling erors to see if we are awake [07:49] Kilos, I see theres a gnome screensaver but activation seems complicated [07:50] so how you you tell him? [07:50] or correct him? [07:50] tell him what [07:50] spelling errors [07:50] you alzies? [07:51] screensavers should be in your settings [07:51] he takes note and fixes them [07:51] Maaz good guy [07:51] You arent so bad yourself my friend [07:51] see [07:52] you can teach him [07:52] I see but dont see screensaver in settings [07:52] System settings? [07:52] has unity dropped the screensaver button [07:52] your main settings with all the settings [07:52] same place as the power one [07:53] nothing there [07:53] Unity tweak tool? [07:53] oh my [07:53] yes try that [07:54] there were two tweak things one could use when i left unity [07:54] dont see anything there either [07:54] compiz? [07:55] what does this guy say http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts [07:55] you might need to install screensavers separately [07:55] you the unity man you should be telling me [07:56] when i ak for unity help that is [07:56] hee hee [07:56] will be back [07:57] wont be long [07:57] and dont dare leaving without first saying so like last time [07:58] I downloaded gnome screensaver tar.xz but dont know what to do with that folder [07:59] where from [07:59] try right click etract [07:59] Last time I greeted you very civilly but we were on pm [07:59] extract [08:00] hahaha [08:00] then see if it opens an installable package [08:00] I did that then a list of files one says install but also does not work [08:00] that tar route is too ingewikkeld for e [08:00] ai! [08:01] there is a command you can run [08:01] theres a million word fikle on installation instructions [08:01] file [08:04] try this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1116012 [08:04] thks [08:05] should be easy tar commands [08:09] i got a horrible job i am putting off [08:10] rewiring an automatic washing machine that was in a place where rats eat wires even [08:10] maybe next week [08:16] Eish! Not good. I have a wiring problem in my car [08:17] ian too [08:17] That site did not help, why do they get so complicated? [08:17] ive rewired the whole section by the coil and distributor and fan [08:18] Left-hand low beam headlight dead, globe, earth and fuse ok [08:18] took weeks to find there is problems in the harness so im slowly replacing what doesnt work [08:18] Looks like I must bring it to you [08:19] earth is normally just adding a few wires from battery to boby and engine but his goes deeper [08:19] what isnt it doing [08:20] horrible working in harnesses [08:21] low beam in headlight [08:22] https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/xenial/gnome-screensaver [08:22] only one? [08:22] or both [08:22] left side [08:22] globe ok? [08:24] yes [08:24] you sure? [08:24] It says its already installed [08:24] ja man [08:24] how do you know its ok? [08:24] swop them around [08:24] eks dom maar nie so dom nie [08:24] hahaha [08:24] \ok then [08:24] fuse also ok [08:25] as I said, lees jy nie? [08:25] take a wire from the one thats working and join it to the one that isnt [08:25] Good idea. Brilliant [08:25] you can test it by just touching the wire in the globe plug [08:27] Will try [08:27] so now I have a screensaver installed but cannot find it, lmga! [08:30] what happens when you type screensaver in dash [08:32] wb magespawn [08:32] morning inetpro [08:32] and thatgraemeguy [08:32] it finds the xscreensaver tar.gz file [08:33] eish [08:35] check those install instructions on pm [08:35] Kilos, dont worry I live without it [08:36] Let me go see what I can work out with ma car's light [08:39] morning all [08:39] hi chesedo you ok? [08:40] great thanks and self oom Langjan? [08:40] Fine thaks [08:40] thanks [08:41] 'lo [08:41] lo thatgraemeguy [08:42] hi guys [08:43] hi nsnzero chesedo [08:43] Kilos: hi , you was missing last night [08:44] l [08:46] yes had to take a break, was tired from chest pain [08:46] sorry [08:46] deegee hows davey [08:46] where are you now? [08:47] sorry to hear that Kilos : hope you are feeling better today [08:47] a bit ya but today im taking it very easy [08:47] did too much yesterday i think [08:48] or maybe its all the meds making me feel this way [08:49] take it easy now - you still need recovery time [08:50] i am taking it easy [08:52] my mistake Kilos ;) [08:54] lol [08:55] Kilos: btw, my feedback for our reverification page... but first it is suppose to cover the last two years (2015 & 2016) right? [08:56] correct [08:57] then we will have to forward those 2014 ones to their 2015/2016 counterparts and remove those that we can not forward [08:57] what 2014 ones [08:58] everything we did from dec 2014 is valid for this application [08:59] the 2014 Release Parties and SFD (which can be forwarded to its 2015) [09:01] we will also have to provide proof (meeting links) for the things we have in the roadmap section as I understand it [09:01] but still take it easy Kilos :P [09:02] * chesedo will see what he can do with some of them later [09:03] oh, guess we will also have to update the date to the new one... [09:13] have we done anything in the roadmap [09:14] and we can add in the place where we want to involve lugs that some lug members are here with us but lugs on a whole have fzzled away a bit [09:26] yip that is in the roadmap (aka our future plans) [09:30] ah [09:30] lugs are hardegat [09:30] lol [09:44] goeiedag mense [09:44] anyone using xubuntu here? [09:45] or XFCE on any other distro [09:45] inetpro: hi, used to long ago [09:45] what's your prob? [09:46] chesedo: what is the equivalent of KRDC on XFCE? [09:46] Remote Desktop Connection client [09:47] oh, isn't it just the same... [09:47] or do you mean a native XFCE one? [09:48] yes, a native one [09:50] * chesedo does not think there is a native one [09:52] try xrdp maybe [09:52] or rdesktop [09:54] Remmina seems to be popular [09:56] what do people use on Ubuntu Unity? [10:00] have never used it, but remmina seems to be installed [10:10] remmina crashes with a coredump [10:11] lol, same here on unity [10:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/982526/comments/5 [10:18] ai! things are bad when pro sukkels [10:31] Kilos: no, not sukkeling [10:32] just asking what others are using [10:32] krdc works [10:32] just needs a lot of libs if you're not running KDE [10:33] chesedo: oh and setting to US Locale does not solve it here for remmina [10:49] inetpro: changing the keyboard locale does work for me though (without a restart) [10:56] chesedo: how did you do it, what command? [11:02] Hi guys, back again Kilos sb [11:07] inetpro: went to keyboard settings, added the US layout and then selected it [11:07] that reminds me remove it too now :D [11:07] hi Langjan [11:08] Guess what? [11:08] what [11:08] I viewed a Power Point and on last click screen froze again only mouse cursor moves [11:08] ai! [11:09] so prob stil there, not related to xscreensaver [11:09] ai! [11:09] seems to be a common problem with various versions and flavours of ubuntu [11:09] not kde [11:10] some reported on kde also [11:10] have you tried using a few desktops [11:10] id like to know if you can switch workspaces when that one is frozen [11:11] I can do nothing except move the mouse cursor around [11:11] https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_89DE0YLRAhWKVxoKHdyCBzAQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F34572%2Fhow-can-i-reduce-or-increase-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity&usg=AFQjCNEerasMmN6KdgYeZ4ZZH9GsaSupbw [11:12] I see remnants of xscreensaver in synaptic, maybe remove them all for starters [11:12] enable them and use 4 then we see [11:12] might be a kill command if only one is faulty [11:13] this is beyong me , i hammer my way through probs [11:13] the bigger the probs the bigger the hammer [11:13] so bare with e [11:13] me [11:14] chesedo: oh wow that way works for me as well [11:14] changing the locale didn't work [11:16] crazy that it depends on the keyboard layout [11:19] You in a nudist colony Kilos ? [11:19] huh [11:19] oh [11:19] lmga! [11:19] bare as is struggle with me man [11:19] not get kaal with me [11:20] bear with me, lmga [11:20] ya that [11:20] im sukkeling here [11:20] another tough day ahead it seems [11:21] I have been using 4 workspaces all along [11:23] but cannot access launcher to try to switch when screen is frozen [11:24] Sorry gotta go for lunch [11:24] np [11:24] aha [11:24] ok [11:25] full screen again [11:25] doesnt launcher show on left side [11:39] Langjan: on unity use + + to change workspaces with the keyboard [11:40] also see if you can get into tty 1 with + + [11:40] use the same but with F7 to get back to tty7 (where the gui is) [11:42] inetpro: it's stupid to be dependant on the keyboard layout in the first place... [11:43] chesedo, Kilos ctrl alt f1 works fine. let me try to replicate the prob and see if I can get to another desktop [11:47] Back again, ctrl+alt+f7 does nothing, also ctrl+alt+ arrows does not change desktop [11:48] ctl+alt+f1 enables me to reboot via command line [11:49] chesedo: changing the keyboard layout in the remmina preferences from automatic to US solves it for us [11:50] just have to set the keyboard to US to begin with [11:50] under Preferences | RDP [11:51] Langjan: a solution to at least get the screen back would be to login at tty1 then run `sudo lightdm restart` [11:51] goeidag Langjan [11:51] without needing to restart, but it will kill your login session [11:51] hi inetpro [11:51] chesedo, ttyl? [11:52] ctrl + alt + F1 [11:52] ctrl+alt+f1 = tty1 [11:52] oh ok thks excuse my illiteracy [11:52] ctrl+alt+f7 = tty7 [11:53] easier to type the short version [11:54] ok thks learning [11:54] I bet it's just an app that is causing the hang [11:55] I thought it was xsceensaver but that has been purged [11:55] killing the relevant app would give you control again without having to restart or loose connection [11:56] but how to find the relevant app [11:56] top [11:56] maybe I use too many apps [11:57] type top in terminal oom [11:57] most liklely will need to bin the reply [11:57] ok [11:57] clever guys will investigate [11:59] keeps changing and unable to copy all [12:00] ai! [12:01] whats the bin access again plse? [12:02] https://bin.snyman.info [12:02] in the topic at the top [12:04] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4vff6 [12:06] This looks like current: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjxcq9 [12:06] i wonder if that covers from before the freeze [12:07] inetpro at what stage must he do top [12:07] can it see back to before restarting [12:12] Could graphics update error have an effect? [12:12] what error [12:13] Graphics upgrade [12:13] how did you do that [12:13] and was this before the freezing started\ [12:15] I get GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Packagekit was not provided by any .service files [12:15] how did you do that upgrade oom [12:15] It was Intel graphics update app [12:16] oh still that [12:16] yes [12:16] does it show in synaptic [12:16] let me check dont think so [12:17] yes it does [12:17] try a reinstall [12:17] make its broken [12:17] reload synaptic first [12:21] ok done shall I check that Intel upgrade again? [12:21] reinstall it from synaptic [12:21] and look for error report [12:22] already done that [12:22] no error reported [12:22] no error? [12:22] yay [12:23] actually [12:23] try not using full screen [12:23] keep your launcher clear [12:24] then see if it freezes [12:24] maybe even leave top running in terminal out the way [12:24] well then I wil have to avoid some things completely that automatically activate full screen, like powerpoint [12:24] cant you set it [12:24] can I [12:24] ? [12:25] let it start full screen the size it yourself [12:25] let me try [12:25] push cursor into top right corner and see if it shows it can be resizes [12:25] resized [12:30] you dont understand, when it freezes cursor does NOTHING except move around aimlessly [12:30] I cannot access ant buttons or menus [12:31] lightdm restart gets me back to black screen [12:31] and your open desktops [12:31] power point music keeps playing in background [12:31] isnt top running still [12:31] * chesedo mostly thinks that this is a graphics issue as mouse (and music) remains responsive [12:32] does it freeze the minute full screen actrivates [12:32] havent you got a graphics card you can put in there Langjan [12:32] Langjan: I would recommend that you check that Intel upgrade again [12:32] it is desktop pc hey [12:33] no not always, some times it shows the whole presentation and freezes at the end but this time it froze at the start [12:33] did this only start after intel upgrade [12:33] Intel upgrade gives same eror again [12:33] yes desktop pc [12:34] no is started before [12:34] have you got a graphics card [12:34] pci one [12:34] dont know [12:35] that will work around the onboard graphics [12:35] i think [12:36] whats a pci graphics card? [12:36] If I dont know I suppose its obvious I dont have one [12:36] plugs in to one of those slots in pc [12:37] check all your buddies pcs and borrow one [12:37] yes thats what I thought and no, unless its in there but I can have a peek? [12:37] lspci will how one\ [12:37] i dont think you have one in atm [12:38] i asked do you have one meaning in another pc [12:38] or in a drawer somewhere [12:38] or in some tannies pc thats resting there [12:38] not that I know of [12:39] let me look around, will let you know meanwhile stay away from full screen goodies [12:39] ai! and they arent cheap either [12:39] some weakness there in onboard graphics [12:40] your screen is too big [12:40] I have a pci adapter [12:41] ? [12:42] Gigabit PCI Adapter GN680-T [12:42] or your glasses are too weak [12:43] nmow im losted [12:44] No its a wireless adapter [12:44] is that adapter plugged into a pci slot [12:44] or onboard [12:44] no its in a box [12:44] where is this box [12:44] lmga! on my desk [12:44] next to the pc [12:45] as it came from the shop [12:45] a cardboard box [12:45] plugged in where [12:45] oh [12:45] not used yet [12:45] but its a wireless adapter [12:45] no unused [12:45] no use then [12:46] you need a graphics card with that same kinda plug at the bottom [12:46] pci fitting [12:46] OK will look for one [12:47] then once thats workking onboard graphics are out of the picture [12:47] will report back boss [12:47] normally nvidia or ati [12:47]