| babbageclunk | perrito666: review'd! (for what it's worth!) | 01:27 |
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| redir | jam yt? | 06:28 |
| jam | redir: hello | 06:28 |
| redir | got a minute? | 06:28 |
| redir | I've got an issue troubleshooting kvm in kvm on vmaas replacing uvtool for managing kvm in juju | 06:30 |
| redir | perrito666 thought you might have some ideas | 06:31 |
| redir | jam ^ | 06:31 |
| jam | redir: give me a couple mins to get this test compiling and I'll be there | 06:31 |
| jam | hangout? | 06:31 |
| redir | np | 06:31 |
| redir | holler | 06:32 |
| redir | yes | 06:46 |
| redir | hangout | 06:46 |
| redir | jam were you asking for a hangout? | 06:47 |
| redir | yes you were | 06:47 |
| redir | jam https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/jam | 06:47 |
| jam | redir: well, I can chat with you however you would like | 06:47 |
| jam | but a hangout seems easiest | 06:47 |
| jam | brt | 06:48 |
| redir | np | 06:48 |
| rogpeppe | babbageclunk: pong | 08:28 |
| voidspace | who os Trent Lloyd | 11:51 |
| voidspace | *is ? | 11:51 |
| voidspace | Ah, a Canonical guy | 11:52 |
| voidspace | Just reading what is perhaps the best written bug report I've ever seen :-) | 11:52 |
| voidspace | a bug report that fully understands and explains the problem as far as I can tell | 11:52 |
| voidspace | a thing of beauty :-) | 11:52 |
| perrito666 | lol, link | 11:55 |
| voidspace | perrito666: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1631254 | 11:58 |
| mup | Bug #1631254: [2.0rc3] lxd containers do not autostart <rteam> <juju:In Progress by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631254> | 11:58 |
| perrito666 | voidspace: beautiful report indeed | 12:05 |
| voidspace | jam: did you settle on skipping the test for now? | 12:14 |
| jam | voidspace: so I have a test which has an ExpectedFailure and then skips | 12:15 |
| voidspace | jam: cool | 12:15 |
| jam | well, it has an Assert then a skip | 12:15 |
| jam | I don't know if gocheck supports Expected Failure | 12:15 |
| voidspace | jam: ah, skip on fail | 12:15 |
| voidspace | jam: same effect... | 12:15 |
| * jam still likes UnitTest a lot more | 12:16 | |
| voidspace | jam: the Java one? | 12:16 |
| jam | voidspace: the python one | 12:16 |
| voidspace | jam: the Python one still needs an enormous overhaul | 12:16 |
| jam | voidspace: well, lots of stuff layered on it that Bazaar used. | 12:17 |
| voidspace | jam: it could be entirely rearchitected - I began that | 12:17 |
| voidspace | jam: right | 12:17 |
| jam | lifeless was really big on unit testing, so we had quite a bit of helpers | 12:17 |
| jam | subunit integration, ability to run just this subset of tests, etc. | 12:17 |
| voidspace | jam: yep, he's prodidigious and highly intelligent | 12:17 |
| voidspace | jam: he had a preference for complex apis andd over-engineering IMO | 12:17 |
| voidspace | jam: his code was always obviously capable, but never quite to my tastes ;-) | 12:18 |
| voidspace | jam: what I started for unittest became nose2 - which some people still use but I fear has become abandonware | 12:18 |
| voidspace | jam: a lot of the APIs in that came out of discussion with lifeless though | 12:18 |
| voidspace | jam: I was working on a fully event based way of integrating with (customising and extending) unittest instead of via subclassing | 12:19 |
| jam | voidspace: python definitely plays a lot of games around how magic vs how explici | 12:19 |
| voidspace | jam: it was interesting, I would have loved to have completed it - but then life happened | 12:19 |
| voidspace | jam: yep, constant tension | 12:19 |
| voidspace | jam: I love the guiding principle of "simple things should be simple, complex things should be possible" | 12:20 |
| voidspace | jam: so I like to design the API and UX around *the most commmon obvious beginning* way to use it | 12:20 |
| voidspace | jam: and then ensure that extending beyond that is possible and as intuitive (i.e. not a jarring jump) from there | 12:20 |
| voidspace | similar I guess to the principle of least surprise | 12:21 |
| voidspace | from Ruby | 12:21 |
| voidspace | but they definitely jump into the magic-auto-configuration everywhere | 12:21 |
| voidspace | the major change I wanted to make to what I did in unittest, on the good advice of Holger Krekel, was to have a test context where *all* the state for the current test run lived (including configuration) and then pass that context through everywhere - no global state | 12:22 |
| voidspace | so I got as far as breaking everything to begin making that change | 12:22 |
| voidspace | and that's where I left it... | 12:22 |
| voidspace | like much in life, incomplete and broken ;-) | 12:23 |
| rick_h | I always tell folks "start writing the code you want to be writing to get this done, then we'll go write the stuff that makes that possible" :) (re: most common beginning" | 13:54 |
| jam | rick_h: do you know when sinzui is going to be around? | 14:05 |
| rick_h | jam: no, I don't. He's normally getting online from now through the next hour in a normal work day | 14:06 |
| jam | rick_h: I realized a bit late (today) that really all our stuff should probably be targeting the 2.1 branch, so I've updated the stuff I've landed so far, and the stuff I've proposed. | 14:06 |
| jam | rick_h: so I think all my stuff is up for review, and frobware is doing the integration with his patches as we speak | 14:06 |
| jam | (testing the integration on his MAAS setup.) | 14:06 |
| rick_h | jam: k, would it be better to ask sinzui to test tomorrow? | 14:06 |
| jam | rick_h: I'm pretty confident about my "restricted NIC" work, as we already landed that in develop. I'm fairly confident about the followup | 14:07 |
| jam | rick_h: but the dynamic bridging hasn't been tested in anger mixed with my stuff. | 14:07 |
| jam | (its what frobware is doing onw) | 14:07 |
| rick_h | jam: ok, so can we email him, cc myself/torsten a binary to test with and any notes? | 14:07 |
| rick_h | jam: once the bits land together | 14:07 |
| jam | rick_h: the big thing is it feels like I should really be around as curtis is working on it/testing it, and I don't know how to make that happen. | 14:08 |
| rick_h | jam: rgr, well let's try async and see if we can make it work. | 14:08 |
| rick_h | jam: honestly I think it's good QA to have him play, find things, note them and do it without us over his shoulder | 14:08 |
| rick_h | jam: at least in the efforts we've been trying to do to date. We declare what we think things should do and let them verify and find ways to break it. | 14:09 |
| frobware | rick_h: I'm happy to be around later in my day; there's no point (should it happen) getting stuck/broken in the first 5 minutes. | 14:21 |
| rick_h | frobware: can you kick things off with an email to sinzui then when the bits are ready please? | 14:45 |
| frobware | rick_h: bits? so a branch or a juju tarball? any indication what they are expecting? | 14:46 |
| rick_h | frobware: no, I think they'd start with develop, but if we have a preference we should email and indicate our preference. | 14:46 |
| rick_h | frobware: be a tarball, branch, etc | 14:46 |
| jam | frobware: rick_h: I'm putting together an email, just still writing it. | 14:47 |
| frobware | rick_h: so the integration branch I'm using is not in develop (yet) - need more work | 14:47 |
| jam | frobware: right, but its based off develop, not 2.1 | 14:47 |
| frobware | jam, rick_h: correct | 14:47 |
| jam | frobware: rick_h: I have patches for all of my stuff up for review, and a second set of patches against 2.1 up for review. | 14:48 |
| jam | frobware: I told Curtis about your integration branch as the place-to-work-from for now | 14:48 |
| jam | I probably left off that it isn't 2.1 | 14:48 |
| jam | all the files that I've worked in are identical between 2.1 and develop, so just doing "diff + patch" works very well. | 14:48 |
| jam | rick_h: email sent (you are CCd) | 14:50 |
| jam | catch y'all later. You can Hangout me directly if you need something urgently. | 14:50 |
| frobware | jam: that's good news. I guess not much generally happng helps here. | 14:50 |
| frobware | jam: ty | 14:50 |
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| redir | morning | 17:01 |
| perrito666 | redir: your morning starts a lot like my afternoon | 17:10 |
| redir | :) | 17:18 |
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| perrito666 | bbl relocation | 18:59 |
| redir | anyone know what else uses the $paths.DataDir/containers/juju-id-n/cloud-init data? | 20:16 |
| babbageclunk | rogpeppe: sorry, only saw this now - was going to ask you about a bug involving macaroons and websocket connections (for log streams) | 21:06 |
| babbageclunk | rogpeppe: I think I've sorted it out but if you're around and not busy/off to bed soon it might be worth confirming with you? | 21:06 |
| babbageclunk | jam: did you see my response to your comment on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6735 | 21:09 |
| redir | ssh | 22:37 |
| babbageclunk | perrito666, redir: anyone know how I can construct fully-discharged macaroons for a test I'm struggling to write? | 22:40 |
| perrito666 | babbageclunk: no clue at all | 22:41 |
| redir | babbageclunk: I'd start here https://github.com/go-macaroon/macaroon/blob/v1/macaroon_test.go | 22:44 |
| babbageclunk | perrito666: | 22:44 |
| babbageclunk | :( | 22:45 |
| babbageclunk | redir: ooh! I'll look at that thanks | 22:45 |
| perrito666 | seems redir is more helpful than I | 22:45 |
| redir | yay things don't work on trusty | 22:50 |
| babbageclunk | perrito666: you've been helpful before - in my tally he's only a *tiny* bit ahead | 22:57 |
| perrito666 | :p | 22:57 |
| perrito666 | k redir babbageclunk I think Ill call it a day :) | 23:00 |
| perrito666 | if you need me email me and ill be back | 23:00 |
| perrito666 | </terminator> | 23:00 |
| babbageclunk | perrito666: night! | 23:00 |
| redir | no standup :o perrito666 knows what I've been doing today | 23:01 |
| redir | have a good night | 23:02 |
| babbageclunk | redir: ok - my plaintive cry above is basically my status - found the solution to the macaroon problem I had, struggling to test it. | 23:08 |
| redir | I can finally show some working kvm bits and no one is around to see. sigh | 23:10 |
| redir | good luck with the macaroon tests | 23:10 |
| redir | they sort of work the opposite of how I want them to | 23:11 |
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