[04:35] <ball> Is there someway to forcibly remount a filesystem as read/write?
[06:33] <knightwise> good morning
[06:38] <knightwise> clear
[06:43] <ball> Hello knightwise
[06:44] <knightwise> hey ball,
[06:44] <knightwise> hows tricks
[06:48] <ball> Not bad. I'm cold but I have to move the Elf on the Shelf before I go to bed.
[07:24] <knightwise> ha :)
[07:24]  * knightwise at work 
[07:24] <knightwise> counting down to Xmass
[07:28] <ball> I didn't work yesterday but I will today.
[07:32] <ball> ...so I should probably go to bed now.
[07:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:31] <knightwise> mornin
[08:33] <brobostigon> morning
[08:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> knightwise, brobostigon morning girls
[08:37] <knightwise> how are you peeps doing
[08:37] <brobostigon> tired. and you knightwise ?
[08:38] <knightwise> same her e,
[08:38] <knightwise> been doing a charity marathon the last 2 weekends,
[08:39] <knightwise> Doing 40 hours of radio presentation over four days is kinda tyring
[08:39] <brobostigon> :(
[08:40] <knightwise> its been fun and we reached the goal amount of cash we needed
[08:40] <brobostigon> :)
[08:40] <knightwise> but doing a 10 hour solo show (standing up with barely time to pee and eat .. pretty intense)
[08:40] <knightwise> but we got to use open source tools so :) .. thats good
[08:41] <brobostigon> ouchie.
[08:41] <brobostigon> :)
[08:42] <knightwise> but it was a lot of fun
[08:43] <brobostigon> good good
[08:43] <knightwise> been using butt and an icecast server to stream the audio to the different shops in the highstreet
[08:43] <knightwise> (it was a local event) we did a youtube livestream, an icecast stream and we were live on all the speakers in the main highstreet
[08:44] <brobostigon> good solutions.
[08:45] <knightwise> yep
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[08:48] <knightwise> Too bad there is not install candidate in Ubuntu. Installed the app on my mac (worked fine).
[08:48] <knightwise> there is an installer for the mac, for windows but you have to compile it from source on linux
[08:49] <knightwise> bit of a letdown
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:07] <davmor2> hey flexiondotorg fancy meeting you here
[09:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[09:09] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: morning
[09:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, morning
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, I know, right?
[09:24] <knightwise> my mission for the holidays will consist of getting bluetooth to work on my xps13
[09:24] <knightwise> apparently connecting a simple bluetooth mouse is a chore
[09:30] <davmor2> knightwise: try via bluetoothctl instead of gnomebt
[09:31]  * knightwise is working from home on friday 
[09:31] <knightwise> gonna toy around it that
[09:32] <knightwise> currently on my other machine (Win SP4)
[09:34] <davmor2> knightwise: I found bluetoothctl gave a better representation of what was happening than gnomebt, by the way if you have a mouse that has power saving, xenial's + version of bluez now supports it so if it is that you move the mouse fine on intial connection but after xseconds of not being used it stops working try taping on the mouse button to wake the mouse
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snoopers-charter-eu-court-ruling-illegal-investigatory-powers-act-emails-david-davis-a7488041.html pesky europeans interfering with snoopers charter... :-P
[11:07] <SuperMatt> I know right? We voted out so we don't have their pesky laws and oversight!
[11:52] <daftykins> 14KB/sec and below from digital ocean's apt repos - from a DO VPS, haha.
[12:30] <knightwise> hey daftykins
[12:30] <knightwise> I assume thats 'slow'
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> i used to get 14kp/s on a 14,400 modem when i downloaded a text file and compression kicked in iirc :-)
[12:37] <knightwise> ouch
[12:38] <daftykins> knightwise: do you not know units? :)
[12:38] <daftykins> as it's a VPS of their own it's LAN based from their mirror server(s)
[12:38] <daftykins> definitely wonky
[12:46] <diddledan> daftykins: that's 100kbps
[12:46] <diddledan> err
[12:46] <diddledan> yeah
[12:48] <diddledan> that's seriously wonky by several orders of magnitude - it should be getting  1000 times that
[12:48] <daftykins> took about 4 goes to finish too
[12:48] <diddledan> 100Mbps would be acceptible on a LAX
[12:48] <diddledan> LAN
[12:49] <daftykins> yip the actual 'download' was 12.5MB/sec as you'd expect
[12:50] <diddledan> weird
[12:50] <diddledan> blame a noisy neighbour
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> someone was wiggling the network cables again
[12:59] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <diddledan> maybe the cleaner was using the vacuum machine and causing interference
[13:00] <daftykins> hrmm hoping to get given a nice little case and put together a cheapish machine in it for fun in the new year, but with those new AMD CPUs coming it might be worth holding out and not just going straight for an intel setup as usual
[13:00] <daftykins> it'll have an old core 2 duo setup in it, but that won't be worth keeping :)
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> the electro jammer suck master 3000... best east european hoover ever :-P
[13:04] <daftykins> sounds like a guitar
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> probably has an attachment to do that to...
[13:04] <diddledan> scaleway.com looks interesting - treating bare-metal systems similarly to cloud vps-ish systems
[13:07] <penguin42> diddledan: Openstack's Ironic can do that as well; but yes scaleway is kind of nice for providing
[13:10] <daftykins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151905174284 popped this guy in a clients Lenovo Monday morning as he'd gained a vertical bar of inverted colours, worked a treat :) had to update the BIOS though for brightness control to work with it
[13:10] <daftykins> £45 is pretty good for a 1080p panel in a 12.5" machine
[13:11] <diddledan> was the old panel a lower res? if so that's a nice upgrade too
[13:12] <daftykins> Yeah 1366x768, Lenovo won't sell to the channel islands so it was the best spec i could get from, i think dabs, at the time. Said client is quite old though so he wouldn't get on with high res until the OSs sorted out scaling a bit more :)
[13:13] <diddledan> techy lass I follow on the twits: "Today's mission: buy a router. For woodworking. 👷🏻‍♀️"
[13:13] <daftykins> ho-hoooo plot twist
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> well they're making laptops you can use as chisels these days they're so thin and sharp... was only a matter of time...
[13:15] <diddledan> yeah that's an evolution over the nokia hammers
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> striking fear into terminators everywhere...
[13:15] <daftykins> fella that was putting that TV up with me was telling me that kids these days in woodworking use a router for the door frame hinge cut-outs instead of the old ways, does sound a bit shocking
[13:15] <daftykins> i had to look them up just now to understand how you'd even apply a powered tool to that task
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> when all you have is a router...
[13:16] <diddledan> that's shocking
[13:16] <daftykins> but a chippy without a chisel? oy :P
[13:17] <daftykins> plus imagine a proper site where the electricians are messing about, your chisel won't be after plugging in :>
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> probably banned by health and safety...
[13:18] <daftykins> some drunk kids decided to climb the scaffold on the building opposite me at about 1am last night, oy
[13:18] <diddledan> well they did put guards on circular saws
[13:18] <knightwise> Dont see why
[13:18] <knightwise> stupid people dont need to count to 10
[13:18] <daftykins> :D
[13:19] <daftykins> that's probably a benefit for splinters flying off too
[13:19] <diddledan> I'm surprised they haven't done the same with chainsaws for tree surgeons
[13:19] <diddledan> my cousin is one of those
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully i.t. only needs a few simple tools... https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/enjoy-your-time-off-with-the-best-of-work-happens-2016-65-photos-210.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=600
[13:20] <diddledan> it's a shame that now magnetic media is going/gone away that you can't have a bit of fun with a magnet or degauss anymore
[13:20] <knightwise> What is the best package to install when you want to play with Texttospeech ?
[13:21] <knightwise> I want to train my pi to "say" things
[13:21] <knightwise> train = Program
[13:21] <diddledan> did mycroft release their popeybot tts engine yet?
[13:22] <diddledan> if so you can get your pi to be popey
[13:23]  * diddledan waits for the nick mention to raise him from his slumber/work
[13:23] <diddledan> might be out having fun I guess
[13:24] <daftykins> :>
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> engaged in hand to hand shopping...
[13:24] <xnox_test> xnox: test
[13:24] <diddledan> error
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> +++DISCONNECT+++
[13:25] <xnox> trying out Ubuntu Gnome and I did not receive any notifcations =(
[13:25] <penguin42> diddledan: Of course the irc mention causes the kettle to switch on, it'll take a while before the coffee is ready to wake him
[13:25] <diddledan> DIALING 08008880123
[13:25] <daftykins> be neat if you could use a test channel for that, xnox
[13:25]  * xnox is sad with hexchat
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> boooooo boooooop, boooooooooooo booooobildy booooobildy boooooooop
[13:25] <diddledan> WWEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[13:26] <diddledan> ERK OOOO EEEEE blip
[13:26] <daftykins> i wonder what a modern VDSL2 device sounds like if you converted the frequencies to audible ones
[13:26] <diddledan> fifth symfony
[13:27] <zmoylan-pi> strangely i once had a soundcard go wonky and try and play the network packets meant for the network card as sound.... sounded like a dolphin in a blender....
[13:27] <diddledan> they found that the best way to send data is by embedding it into music
[13:27] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: lol
[13:27] <diddledan> it got the wrong DMA settings?
[13:27] <xnox_test> xnox: test 2
[13:27] <zmoylan-pi> the most unpleasent noise ever to come out of a pc short of modern music
[13:28] <xnox> yeah, now works \o/
[13:28] <xnox_test> xnox test 3
[13:28] <daftykins> xnox: great, now do it somewhere else.
[13:28]  * diddledan links zmoylan-pi to some beiber
[13:28] <xnox> lol
[13:28] <diddledan> daftykins: test
[13:28] <xnox> i'm done
[13:28] <daftykins> yeah this time.
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> it had the right settings but they were kinda.... shared as i wasn't playing network games and it should have ignored the packets
[13:28] <daftykins> idiot.
[13:30] <diddledan> I've got this stuck in my head right now: "my hump my hump my hump. my lovely lady humps"
[13:30] <diddledan> it's just those two lines repeating and I can't stop
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> this is the song that's been running around my head for past few days... the killers - human https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jR9P9YJGo
[13:32] <daftykins> i heard a twitch streamer saying that, not heard the 'song' though
[13:42] <popey> diddledan: zzzz
[13:42] <diddledan> :-)
[13:55] <foobarry_> "We’re making some improvements to the way we manage your broadband connection. Work’s already started. It’ll take about 10 days and we’ll make sure any disruption is kept to a minimum.
[13:55] <foobarry_> All we ask is that you leave your router on at all times. And that's it.
[13:55] <foobarry_> After the work is over, you’ll be one step closer to a faster, more reliable broadband connection. "
[13:55] <diddledan> o_O
[13:55] <foobarry_> from my ISP. absolutely no clue as to what they are doing
[13:55] <popey> which isp?
[13:55] <foobarry_> hello, here's an email , to say we're doing a thing. a secret thing, bye
[13:55] <foobarry_> talktalk
[13:55] <diddledan> and they're taking 10 days of which 4 are weekend and bank holidays
[13:55] <popey> lulz
[13:56] <foobarry_> ah, found a FAQ page
[13:56] <foobarry_> To make sure you're always getting the most out of your broadband, we use something called Dynamic Line Management; or DLM. It's a system that lets us pro-actively monitor your line when your router is switched on.
[13:56] <foobarry_> In order to manage your line better and give you the best connection possible, we've improved our current DLM system.
[13:56] <foobarry_> We've already moved your line so there's nothing you need to do, just leave the hard work to us. Your line will go through a short stabilisation period, and after this you'll be able to enjoy a more reliable broadband connection.
[13:56] <foobarry_> The stabilisation period is when we test your broadband line to find the best possible speed for you. We do this by monitoring your line during the day and making changes at night.
[13:57] <diddledan> aah, it's the automated "initial connection" stabilisation
[13:57] <diddledan> seems they've reset your line to unprofiled so it needs to reprofile itself
[13:57] <foobarry_> :'(
[13:57] <foobarry_> i'm not a new customer
[13:57] <foobarry_> (wish i wasn't a customer at all)
[14:01] <daftykins> so they're probably putting an MSAN in or something
[14:01] <daftykins> it wouldn't need to retrain your line without the route changing
[14:01] <foobarry_> it might be cos i got a new router
[14:01] <foobarry_> probably need to run speedtest every day
[14:01] <daftykins> no that'd happen by itself anyway
[14:02] <daftykins> nah
[14:02] <foobarry_> however now my powersaving bug is fixed i am so happy
[14:02] <daftykins> well only if you want to see a difference, but you should look at line sync stats instead of speed tests
[14:06] <foobarry_> https://www.originbroadband.com/packages/home-broadband-and-phone these guys are cheap
[14:08] <foobarry_> they supply an asus router, just checking on the model
[14:31] <foobarry_> DSL-N16
[14:31] <foobarry_> single band AFAIK
[14:36] <daftykins> do you consider getting one with a service to be a priority?
[14:36]  * popey hugs his openwrt netgear wndr3700v2
[14:38] <daftykins> very old specs ;)
[14:38] <zmoylan-pi> if it ain't hacked.... :-P
[14:38] <davmor2> popey: mine died :(
[14:38] <davmor2> popey: sticking with the VM router for now
[14:41] <foobarry_> i can't use VM for personal reasons
[14:41] <popey> i have 3
[14:41] <popey> bought a spare on fleabay
[14:42] <popey> don't want these to die and not have a good replacement
[14:42] <popey> ooh, pub o'clock
[14:42] <popey> o/
[14:45] <foobarry_> i think thats called stockpiling
[14:45] <foobarry_> dr prepper
[14:48] <foobarry_> pretty cheap though
[14:48] <foobarry_> how much did you pay popey ?
[14:48] <daftykins> don't buy an old turd like that, foobarry_
[14:49] <foobarry_> lol
[14:49] <daftykins> it's 802.11n tops
[14:49] <foobarry_> i'll probabyl stick with my free huawei one now that xbox doesn't disconnect anymore
[14:50] <foobarry_> whats faster than 802.11n?
[14:53] <daftykins> 802.11ac
[14:53] <daftykins> there's also a 60GHz band for 802.11ad emerging now
[14:53] <daftykins> that'd be nigh-on useless in the home, mind you
[14:53] <foobarry_> what ac devices do you have?
[14:54] <diddledan> I've got a ubiquity Unifi AC wireless point. pretty impressive signal distance
[14:54] <foobarry_> but what ac wifi devices?
[14:55] <diddledan> phone, tablet
[14:55] <foobarry_> :o
[14:55] <diddledan> not sure if my mac has ac
[14:55] <foobarry_> what tablet?
[14:55] <diddledan> ipad
[14:57] <daftykins> then when they're -ac you also need to factor in the spatial stream count, as a router in the low end 2:2 config (like mine) gives two transmit and receive streams, so 433Mb x 2 = 866Mb max
[14:57] <daftykins> (that includes MAC layer, so real world i've seen ~45MB/sec)
[14:57] <foobarry_> pretty sure i don't have any ac cards
[14:57] <daftykins> i thought it was connecting at -ac when you were having your wiffy woes
[14:59] <foobarry_> my work laptop has it however
[14:59] <diddledan> isn't it amazing that non-techy people cite "a database" as the solution to everything
[14:59] <diddledan> e.g. Donald Trump
[15:00] <foobarry_> but they actually mean excel?
[15:00] <daftykins> derderbers
[15:00] <diddledan> daftykins: erhmagherd
[15:00] <foobarry_> i find databases probably the dullest thing in IT
[15:00] <daftykins> foobarry_: agreed!
[15:00] <diddledan> "we need to create a database!"
[15:00] <daftykins> oy when at my old College we had to make a video rental store, first time in Excel then second time in Access - huge cringe.
[15:01] <daftykins> a mate of mine still tries to apply such A-Level IT lessons to real life, it's really cringeworthy
[15:01] <foobarry_> punch card reader?
[15:01] <foobarry_> sounds like the PHBosses here
[15:02] <daftykins> http://people.com/pets/cat-freed-from-several-pounds-of-matted-fur-at-pennsylvania-shelter/
[15:02] <foobarry_> retro pie looks cool. if only i could find my ps joypad and usb adapter
[15:02] <daftykins> mrow
[15:02] <daftykins> poor kitty
[15:03] <daftykins> that's the one that's getting integrated into Kodi i think o0 i forget
[15:06] <diddledan> when someone says something like "we need to create a database" I always think of this: https://youtu.be/hkDD03yeLnU
[15:07] <daftykins> oh my word that's a crime
[15:07] <daftykins> an interface interface you say, tell me moar
[15:08] <diddledan> I love trotting this one out, too: https://youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ
[15:08] <daftykins> ah yes, ships
[15:16] <foobarry_> i have an aruba enterprise AP. they usually need connecting to a controller. i wonder if openwrt works on them
[15:17] <daftykins> search their database
[15:17] <foobarry_> allegedly the definitely need a controller, hence useless
[15:17] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:48] <penguin42> do others have a /usr/@DATADIRNAME@ - it seems to be from gnome-system-tools
[15:48] <penguin42> ah lp 1617468
[16:05] <popey> foobarry: my "old turd" cost about 20 quid, and the lack of ac isn't a problem for me.
[16:18] <foobarry_> what can a pi zero realistically run using retro pie?
[16:18] <foobarry_> snes?
[16:18] <foobarry_> prob not much newer
[16:18] <foobarry_> ?
[16:32] <daftykins> probably next to nowt, yeah
[17:28] <daftykins> cor the queue at Boots was crazy :P
[17:29] <popey> I'd imagine there's plenty of old arcade games it can play
[17:29] <popey> nes, snes, genesis, 2600
[17:30] <popey> guess I could test that by putting my sd card in a pi zero and seeing what runs and what doesn't
[17:35] <penguin42> really the CPU in a pi zero isn't that bad by comparison with the old machines being emulated
[17:39] <daftykins> new kernel engaged!
[17:39] <popey> yeah
[17:40] <penguin42> it's significanty more beefy a CPU than what I used for my beeb emulator and I think my arc emulator
[17:40] <popey> coming up on 20 years old now, is mame
[17:40] <popey> pretty sure I was using it back in 1997 on a 486 or so
[17:41] <penguin42> popey: Yeh I did my Beebem back on a P90 in '94
[17:41] <popey> hehe
[17:41] <popey> i find emulators endlessly fascinating
[17:41] <penguin42> yes, they're great fun
[17:42] <popey> i wrote a simple 6502 one for the pc back in that era, to help teach assembler on pcs
[17:42] <popey> wrote it in pascal as that was all i had at the time :)
[17:42] <penguin42> ewww
[17:42] <popey> yeah yeah :)
[17:42] <popey> my first pascal compiler came on a floppy disk from one of those catalogs you send off for
[17:42] <daftykins> what's really the main task of creating an emulator?
[17:43] <popey> used to spend hours pouring over the catalog for software I "needed"
[17:43] <penguin42> daftykins: Debugging the weird corners
[17:43] <popey> heh, yeah, everyone can do the main cpu instructions, it's those odd undocumented things that catch you
[17:44] <popey> or wierd interrupts or io
[17:44] <daftykins> i did watch a video the other day that spoke of how old NES cartridges used to add upgraded chips sometimes for say, better sound or so
[17:44] <daftykins> (i never had one of those)
[17:44] <popey> i was on a flight back from the US recently and got chatting to the guy next to me. Turned out he was one of the four original designers of the BBC Micro
[17:45] <penguin42> daftykins: For example on my beebem I found elite scanned a keyboard row that didn't exist and happened not to hit a problem on real hardware; someone found after I released it a bug in one of my instructions whose only obvious bug was that explosions didn't disappear in Elite
[17:45] <popey> spent the next 9 hours drinking wine and chatting about the old days of computing
[17:45] <popey> best flight ever
[17:45] <daftykins> :D
[17:45] <penguin42> daftykins: A commecial emulator I worked on had a bug where the italics in a commercial app tilted in the wrong direction
[17:46] <popey> hah
[17:47] <popey> I loved hearing all the intricate details of the innards of the bbc micro directly from one of the designers. Was super fascinating
[17:47] <popey> wish I'd recorded it :)
[17:47] <daftykins> :>
[17:47] <popey> it's shame there aren't many photos of the team or the bbc micro from the early days
[17:47] <popey> turns out people didn't take many photos back then, what with not having smartphones :)
[17:49] <daftykins> there's always that weird office one with the polaroid!
[18:17] <popey> Just played Salamander (Life Force in USA) on my Pi3 with MAME. It's amazing to me that it slows down in exactly the same way at the same point in the game as I remember form 30 years ago.
[18:18] <popey> ooh, didnt realise it had a 68K at the heart
[18:18] <penguin42> popey: They might be matching timing of the original CPU when possible
[18:18] <popey> yeah, impressive
[18:19] <popey> I like the original experience.
[18:19] <daftykins> :>
[18:19] <penguin42> popey: A fun one on the Beeb, in Elite they flip the video registers at a given scanline to switch between high res and lower-res/more colours - when it runs the disk it gets some interrupts and you get a little bit of tearing on that line; it was fun to see that happen during emulation
[18:19] <popey> holy freole! those salamander boards go for loads of money
[18:19] <popey> haha, nice!
[18:20] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Life-Force-Konami-Jamma-Arcade-Circuit-Board-PCB-Lifeforce-Salamander-NW-/322270790127?
[18:20] <popey> i have that board!
[18:20] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R-TYPE-1987-Irem-Nintendo-Guaranteed-Working-JAMMA-Arcade-PCB-SHIPS-FREE-/112144829057
[18:20] <popey> and that one :)
[18:20] <popey> that's the pention sorted ;)
[18:21] <knightwise> downloading the latest version of Pixel ,
[18:21] <knightwise> see if I can get it running on my netbook
[18:22] <popey> intereting that the pi foundation are into desktop linux all of a sudden
[18:23] <knightwise> true. But it would make great distro for a netbook
[18:23]  * knightwise wonders if it would work on my old eeepc
[18:24] <daftykins> give me that thing, i'll euthanise it for you
[18:24] <knightwise> diddledan: GET AWAY FROM MY BABY !
[18:24] <daftykins> XD
[18:26] <knightwise> Download pretty slow ... gonna take a while
[18:31] <popey> there's a torrent it seems :)
[18:33]  * popey starts torrent to see how busy it is
[18:57] <knightwise> grr
[18:57] <knightwise> me still fighting with bluetooth mouse
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> 400 quatloos on the newcomer ::star trek fighting music::
[18:58] <knightwise> Lol
[18:58] <knightwise> hmm i seem to have the broadcom bluetooth adapter
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> broadcom.... words to strike fear into every linux user...
[19:08] <daftykins> :D