[00:01] <the_ranbo_son> what should a good guy put in his shandy?
[00:06] <volrite> Hi can someone help me out of this, during booting the system "[FAILED] Failed to start Raise network interfaces."
[00:10] <akik> zykotick9: try that vlank_mode=3 config. it helped me with video tearing with intel gfx
[00:11] <volrite>  Hi can someone help me out of this, during booting the system "[FAILED] Failed to start Raise network interfaces."
[00:12] <bazhang> volrite, what version of ubuntu, what chipset on that nic
[00:13] <pavlos> volrite, some info ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/824376/failed-to-start-raise-network-interfaces-after-upgrading-to-16-04
[00:14] <scottfree> Hello!
[00:14] <volrite> bazhang: 16.04 LTS
[00:14] <volrite> pavlos: Thank you
[00:14] <scottfree> anybody chatting>?
[00:14] <bazhang> volrite, what chipset on the nic
[00:15] <bazhang> scottfree, chat in #ubuntu-offtopic , here for support
[00:15] <zykotick9> akik: intel-tearing-usggestion.txt has been created.  thanks.
[00:16] <volrite> bazhang: I'm run in vmware
[00:16] <volrite> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: VMware VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev 01)
[00:16] <volrite>         Subsystem: VMware VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller
[00:16] <volrite>         Kernel driver in use: vmxnet3
[00:16] <volrite>         Kernel modules: vmxnet3
[00:18] <akik> zykotick9: there's also a youtube video i tested with :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceX18O9pvLs
[00:21] <rek> kode54,  i don't have the original cuesheet
[00:21] <kode54> oh
[00:21] <kode54> pity
[00:22] <rek> holy cr...you're a fast replier
[00:22] <rek> let me look to the other cd-rom it can be very similar
[00:30] <rek> kode54, MODE1/2352  and MODE2/2352 what's the difference
[00:31] <kode54> the sector format, for one
[00:31] <kode54> I'd check the output of the ecm packer to see what sort of sectors it finds trying to repack it
[00:32] <rek> what should i do?
[00:33] <kode54> how did you originally produce or acquire the image?
[00:38] <star31416> I'm currently testing Ubuntu Server 16.04 because of its ZFS integration. Everything works fine and just one thing is bothering me. Compared to Debian, Ubuntu Server is a bit bloated. Is there an advanced install option for the set up of a minimalistic Ubuntu Server?
[00:39] <bazhang> !mini | star31416
[00:40] <star31416> For example, I don't understand why mdadm is installed by default. Sure it is necessary for RAID management. However, if one does not use RAID, it is quite pointless to have it installed by default.
[00:40] <bazhang> star31416, did you see the mini link I just gave you
[00:40] <star31416> ubottu: A text installer is fine for me.
[00:41] <bazhang> thats a bot star31416
[00:41] <star31416> bazhang: Thanks.
[00:41] <bazhang> welcome
[00:41] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[00:42] <rek> kode54, i downloaded form a website getting only  a .bin.ecm
[00:42] <kode54> they didn't provide any other files?
[00:42] <star31416> Is there any particular difference between the basic server and a minimal install? I thought the minimal version just download the stuff from the internet during the setup process.
[00:43] <star31416> bazhang: ^^
[00:46] <star31416> bazhang: Oh, it seems that the minimal CD doesn't support EFI. :-(
[00:48] <zykotick9> akik: thanks x2 - the specific tearing youtube video is perfect for my needs... (and it shows a lot of tearing right now!) thanks for the 2nd time!  :)
[00:50] <zykotick9> f'n tearing... <- i think it's an xorg issue... ymmv
[00:53] <Steven_M> Hi all
[00:53] <Steven_M> I have set a root password, and have setup sudo to prompt for the root password. This works fine in the terminal, but every time a gui app prompts me for a password, it accepts my user password, how do I fix this?
[00:53] <rek> any other files exactly
[00:54] <goose_> Hey everyone
[00:55] <Steven_M> goose_:  hi :)
[00:55] <goose_> I just installed Ubuntu Gnome on my PC, but it loads into compiz, not gnome :(
[00:55] <goose_> I downloaded the GNOME torrent when i was setting it up. How to fix?
[00:55] <goose_> been awhile since I was on linux
[00:56] <xangua> goose_: it loads into compiz?
[00:56] <noimnotninevolt> compiz is a window manager, gnome is a desktop environment.
[00:57] <goose_> Oh well it loads into the default ubuntu DE
[00:57] <goose_> Not GNOME
[00:57] <goose_> http://imgur.com/a/5EP8k
[00:57] <nedstark> you select desktops at the login screen
[00:57] <zykotick9> goose_: gnome3 is a LOT different from gnome2...  <- compiz is NOT related to this! at all (only Unity uses compiz these days)
[00:57] <goose_> Oh
[00:57] <xangua> goose_: sounds like you installed vanilla Ubuntu, not Ubuntu gnome... Can you share a screenshot?
[00:58] <zykotick9> goose_: that's unity
[00:58] <goose_> UNITY! Forgot the name
[00:58] <xangua> Yes, that's unity
[00:58] <goose_> maybe I just forgot to select at menu, I definitely DLd Ubuntu GNOME 16.04
[00:58] <goose_> ill check 1 sec
[00:58] <nedstark> maybe it went into fallback mode
[00:58] <xangua> Lol
[00:59] <Bray90820> How would one setup a samba printer in ubuntu
[00:59] <goose_> yeah, no option for GNOME, I remember the DEs being next to login name now
[00:59] <goose_> Weird
[00:59] <nedstark> i broke 4 of my 5 desktops, so cinnamon wins by a K.O.
[01:01] <goose_> Wonder why it didnt install gnome with it
[01:01] <xangua> You need the Ubuntu gnome ISO for that
[01:01] <goose_> I have it
[01:01] <goose_> Its what I used
[01:01] <Steven_M> goose_: there should be a cog icon on the login screen for selecting DE's
[01:02] <goose_> Steven_M, Yeah I remember that now, nothing there
[01:02] <goose_> Ill just install it through apt-get
[01:02] <Steven_M> brb
[01:04] <xangua> Well if the Ubuntu gnome ISO installed the unity desktop... Then it would be kind of noisy here
[01:06] <nedstark> i heard someone on a podcast say ubuntu mate is switching desktops
[01:06] <nedstark> to whatever solus uses
[01:07] <Steven_M> goose_: you sure there's no cog next to the sign in button on the password screen?
[01:07] <xangua> There's already an Ubuntu budgie remix
[01:09] <Calgon> Cc
[01:11] <wiggmpk> is empathy's default behavior to start at login?
[01:12] <xangua> wiggmpk: yes
[01:12] <Calgon> Help
[01:12] <bazhang> Calgon, with what
[01:13] <Calgon> I tory tory open help options
[01:13] <Calgon> Dry.
[01:13] <Calgon> Try
[01:13] <wiggmpk> xangua: noticing some weird stuff after installing pidgin to import facebook messenger into empathy. Would you happen to know if "Remote Desktop Viewer" is default to start at login? vino-server is running in system monitor but the application has opened up automatically the last couple of boots
[01:13] <Calgon> Auto correct its annoying
[01:14] <bazhang> Calgon, what help options, where
[01:14] <xangua> wiggmpk: that looks like an XY question but you don't need to install pidgin to use Facebook chat in empathy
[01:14] <Calgon> I would register, first afte i'd lire change room
[01:15] <Calgon> Like
[01:15] <wiggmpk> xangua: I could not get it to work prior to installing pidgin. I tried vanilla install of ubuntu, then tried adding purple-facebook, still wouldn't work
[01:16] <Steven_M> I have set a root password, and have setup sudo to prompt for the root password. This works fine in the terminal, but every time a gui app prompts me for a password, it accepts my user password, how do I fix this?
[01:16] <Calgon> Im using irc on mobile so it keep to correct every word i type
[01:17] <bazhang> Calgon, how is that an ubuntu support issue
[01:17] <xangua> Steven_M: you're using an unsupported config for Ubuntu (or at least unsupported in this changed)
[01:18] <Calgon> No idea only i want register
[01:18] <bazhang> Calgon, register what
[01:19] <Calgon> My name
[01:19] <wedgie> Calgon: #freenode
[01:19] <Calgon> Freenode
[01:19] <Calgon> Thank
[01:19] <bazhang> Calgon, /join #freenode
[01:21] <Steven_M> xangua: okay, I wish ubuntu did support it.
[01:27] <xangua> Not supported on this channel*
[01:29] <Steven_M> xangua: nevermind
[01:29] <backbox> hi
[01:30] <backbox> i need help with a hard drive
[01:30] <Bray90820> I am having a strange issue with my network printer I have one called server and one called backup the printer is connected to server but every computer sees it as it's connected to backup up until like a week or two ago it was seen as being connected to server
[01:31] <backbox> i tried to format it but Gparted: Error fsyncing/closing/dev/sda: Remote I/O error
[01:32] <Guest79915> hello, guys, I performed an oc my cpu (e5450) so that it's clock speed should go from its default 3.0GHz to 3.4, however, when using watch -n 0 "lscpu | grep 'MHz'", what I see is that it only goes up to 3003MHz
[01:33] <sintre> blackbox> can you tell that it's unmounted
[01:33] <Guest79915> is there anything I could be missing?
[01:33] <Bray90820> It's a samba printer by the way
[01:33] <backbox> it's the only disk
[01:34] <sintre> blackbox I assume a different system?
[01:44] <Guest79915>  dmidecode --type processor shows 	Max Speed: 3800 MHz	Current Speed: 3600 MHz, should it be trusted over lscpu?
[01:48] <ShootingCharlie8> Hi
[01:48] <ShootingCharlie8> I got a question for you smart people
[01:49] <JERiCHO7> me too, anyone knows if its possible to install linux over wifi with wubi ?
[01:50] <ShootingCharlie8> I asked for a smart person first!! Haha
[01:51] <xangua> JERiCHO7: wubi is unsupported and unmaintained
[01:51] <JERiCHO7> how come?
[01:51] <JERiCHO7> how to install from windows then ?
[01:51] <Bashing-om> !wubi | JERiCHO7
[01:51] <JERiCHO7> !install
[01:57] <blackflow> What does networking.service do in 16.04? Do I need it if I have static network config in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:58] <blackflow> It's currently in failed state, but the network is fine.
[02:00] <blackflow> nvm, found the service file, it has Documentation=
[02:11] <Bray90820> While Trying to install samba I get an error "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[02:13] <Tatou> Silly question. How does apt-get download packages and do apt-get update?
[02:13] <Tatou> Is it http/s?
[02:13] <EriC^^> http
[02:13] <EriC^^> i think
[02:14] <Tatou> Great. So if I am constantly spinning up vagrant boxes, if I set an aggressive cache on the host.. It might be faster..
[02:17] <RVanguard> Hello
[02:19] <RVanguard> Humans are here?
[02:19] <sintre> shh we can't chat here support only got a problem?
[02:19] <sintre> mods like people to got to off topic to chit chat
[02:19] <RVanguard> Oh, sorry, had no idea!
[02:20] <sintre> been kicked enough to know they're serious :)
[02:20] <sintre> kidding aside , whats your issue
[02:20] <RVanguard> Oh, I have no issue I need help with, just looking to chat with other linux users
[02:21] <sintre> there is an official ubuntu offtop channel bout don't knowthow the silly bot commaand
[02:21] <Bashing-om> RVanguard: Generak chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <sintre> and yes my keyboard is messed up tonight lol
[02:22] <RVanguard> Thank you
[02:22] <RVanguard> Actually, I need help setting up this VM in KVM
[02:22] <RVanguard> I'm at choosing a storage volume
[02:22] <RVanguard> I don't have GNOME or anything like that, min-install.
[02:23] <RVanguard> I click the plus sign to create a volume. What format do I make the volume in? The standard it has is .qcow2 which I've never used before. I'm used to vdi
[02:25] <RVanguard> And when I try joining #ubuntu-offtopic, I get "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" Sorry, new to IRC here
[02:26] <Bashing-om> !register | RVanguard
[02:26] <RVanguard> Thank you, again
[02:27] <RVanguard> !register
[02:29] <wedgie> RVanguard: if instead you click "browse local" you can select an iso to boot the machine from (note that creation of a virtual hard disk comes later in the process)
[02:29] <RVanguard> wedgie --- thank you
[02:30] <RVanguard> wedgie -- got it. Under that is OS Type and Version. Version only goes as high as Win8. This is Win10
[02:31] <RVanguard> Just select 8.1?
[02:31] <wedgie> *shrug* that's probably fine.
[02:44] <lv1z> hello
[02:47] <jturek> greetings everybody,  what is the easiest way to configure a VPN connection in ubuntu to a cisco asa (ipsec)
[02:48] <cfhowlett> !vpn | jturek
[02:49] <jturek> cfhowlett: thanks, i checked that page, "IPSec VPN, not covered on this page, so far" :)
[02:51] <RVanguard> Hey there, I have three screens, is there a way to "wrap" the displays?
[02:54] <c_nick> i have a linux box and a windows box on a common network i can ping each other successfully, how can i share files between them?
[02:54] <cfhowlett> !samba | c_nick
[03:12] <RVanguard> Hey guys, having an issue with KVM USB Redirection
[03:13] <RVanguard> Trying to connect my iPhone to my VM. When I try USB Redirection I get an error "spice-client-error-quark: Could not redirect Apple iPhone....Device is in use by another application"
[03:14] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, are you perchance playing music or file browsing the iphone?
[03:15] <ed_pls> Hey, anyone knows if it is possible to put old desktop environments on new distros? (i mean, old like 1998 - 2004 old)
[03:16] <RVanguard> cfhowlett Just trying to connect it. That's all. Downloaded iTunes, just want to sync. Work for Apple so this is somewhat important
[03:16] <cfhowlett> ed_pls, inadvisable and likely to break
[03:16] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, then you already know Apple makes connections difficult and hostile          :)
[03:17] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, ps -x          and see what you have pointed at that iphone
[03:17] <xangua> ed_pls: define "old desktop"
[03:17] <RVanguard> cfhowlett hahah! I think it's an issue with my host OS (min install linux) taking 'control' of the iPhone
[03:18] <RVanguard> cfhowlett "See what you have pointed..." What does that mean? I apologize, new to Linux, like fourth month using linux.
[03:18] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, one of your processes should ID the iphone connection
[03:18] <RVanguard> cfhowlett Got it, I'll see what I can find
[03:19] <RVanguard> cfhowlett I believe it's usbmuxd
[03:19] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, that would be normal
[03:19] <RVanguard> cfhowlett How do I remove this?
[03:21] <cfhowlett> RVanguard, that line starts with a process ID number.    kill -9 PID
[03:21] <wedgie> why -9 right out of the gate?
[03:21] <cfhowlett> finger memory.
[03:22] <ed_pls> xangua: i mean "KDE 3" or things like that
[03:23] <RVanguard> IT WORKED!!
[03:23] <RVanguard> cfhowlett THAT WORKED!
[03:23] <RVanguard> cfhowlett Wooo!!
[03:23] <RVanguard> cfhowlett I'm happy!
[03:24] <RVanguard> cfhowlett Thank you!
[03:24] <RVanguard> cfhowlett Sudo killed it and it worked!
[03:24] <RVanguard> cfhowlett This is awesome!
[03:24] <RVanguard> cfhowlett This was one of my main concerns with fully adopting linux on all my computers!
[03:24] <xangua> ed_pls: there are people trying to keep alive KDE 3, but that has nothing to do with Ubuntu https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ as for gnome 2, there is officially supported Ubuntu mate
[03:26] <ed_pls> Oh boy :(
[03:27] <cfhowlett> happy2help! RVanguard
[03:27] <RainMan28> I am having difficult configuring ufw (firewall). I am trying to deny connections from everywhere except certain IPs on a certain port. I put in sudo ufw default deny incoming, and then sudo ufw allow from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any port YYYY but I don't see the deny incoming in the status rules
[03:27] <cfhowlett> RainMan28, check your rules again. you probably encoded a conflict somewhere
[03:39] <prob12> My guide says I should use commands with path like this "/opt/eclipse/eclipse" but as I extracted my eclipse.tar.gz it only  made me "/opt/eclipse-installer", so should I use "eclipse" in path name or "eclipse-installer"? For example in creating symlink
[03:40] <prob12> I think after installation that eclipse-installer might change its name, but Im unsure of it
[03:42] <RainMan28> cfhowlett: thank you for helping, does deny from all show up as a rule under ufw status?
[03:42] <cfhowlett> RainMan28, wait 1
[03:42] <davido> I've had an apt update go bad. http://pastebin.com/f4edBiBA
[03:42] <davido> Not sure how to clear it up.
[03:45] <wedgie> davido: output says that samba-ad-dc.service is masked. This means that it was configured to be unstartable. Presumably something that was being upgraded depends on this?
[03:45] <davido> hm. Not sure how I managed to configure samba to be unstartable. I think by that you mean misconfigured preventing it from starting?
[03:46] <cfhowlett> RainMan28, my sudo ufw status verbose returned http://paste.ubuntu.com/23662259/         you can compare to your output
[03:47] <wedgie> no. In systemd you can "disable" a service which means it won't autostart but you can still start it manually (or it can be started by something else). When you mask a service you link /dev/null to the unit file. This tells systemd that under no circumstances should it ever be started
[03:47] <Dolmen> hello everyone
[03:48] <RainMan28> cfhowlett: ah that was it, i wasn't using verbose so wasn't seeing that Default: line
[03:48] <cfhowlett> RainMan28, man ufw is your friend
[03:48] <wedgie> davido: what do you get if you run ''sudo systemctl samba-ad-dc.service status''
[03:49] <wedgie> err, ''sudo systemctl status samba-ad-dc.service''
[03:49] <prob12> When extracting for example 'eclipse.tar.gz', I get folder 'eclipse-installer', after installing, does that folder change it's name to 'eclipse', or will it remain the same?
[03:49] <davido> ● samba-ad-dc.service
[03:49] <davido>    Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad)
[03:49] <davido>    Active: inactive (dead)
[03:50] <Kiryat8> After the security and kernel update I got a dialog after reboot "A new version 0.7.0 of Temps is available."  Is this legit?
[03:50] <cfhowlett> Kiryat8, apt search temps will tell you
[03:51] <wedgie> davido: it would appear that someone has deliberately disabled it. If you want to turn it back on: ''sudo systemctl unmask samba-ad-dc.service''   but make sure that there isn't a good reason for it being disabled first
[03:56] <davido> sudo systemctl unmask samba ends silently, but then enabling gives some spew again about no runlevels aborting
[04:00] <zzero1> ubuntu 16.04.01 x86 I cant get resolve dns in dropbear ssh in the initrd. Any ideas ?
[04:00] <davido> davido@doswald-DX4850:~$ sudo systemctl unmask samba
[04:00] <davido> davido@doswald-DX4850:~$ sudo systemctl enable samba
[04:00] <davido> Synchronizing state of samba.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
[04:00] <davido> Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable samba
[04:00] <davido> update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
[04:02] <wedgie> davido: it was samba-ad.dc.service, and you probably don't need to enable it. Just unmask it and try the apt command again
[04:03] <wedgie> err samba-ad-dc.service
[04:03] <davido> thanks wedgie...
[04:06] <davido> That didn't improve things -- same error as earleir.
[04:06] <davido> I apologize for taking your time with it.
[04:07] <davido> does it matter that I'm sharing one of that system's drives, mounted to another system via cifs?
[04:09] <wedgie> davido: still says that Unit file /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service is masked." ?
[04:10] <davido> wedgie: Yes.
[04:10] <wedgie> hmm. Well, maybe that wasn't the cause of the upgrade failing at all. *shrug*
[04:10] <wedgie> davido: is the IP of your machine 192.168.0.1?
[04:11] <davido> No, it's 192.168.1.2
[04:12] <wedgie> davido: the error message you pastebinned earlier suggests that it's trying to bind to 192.168.0.1
[04:12] <wedgie> maybe check the config files to see if that is configured somewhere
[04:13] <Dolmen0> what's the issue
[04:14] <davido> ah, i do see that bind in the output, yes. I wonder what's causing that.  My router is on 1.1, and there's nobody on 0.1
[04:15] <wedgie> davido: i'd guess it's somewhere in the samba config
[04:16] <xxxx> how can i fix mouse pad (just doesn't do anything)? lubuntu 64bit
[04:16] <xxxx> actualy any ubuntu give me that problem
[04:16] <wedgie> davido: anyway, i have to hit the road. Good luck
[04:17] <davido> my smb.conf lists interfaces as 192.168.1/8, so a /8 subnet in 1.
[04:17] <davido> thanks for your time wedgie. I'll get there eventually.
[04:17] <wedgie> well, 192.168.0.1 would be in 192.0.0.0/8 ... kindof an odd thing to have configured though
[04:18] <davido> h, this may be it...
[04:18] <davido> interfaces 192.168.1/8  not 192.168.1.1/8
[04:18] <wedgie> the /8 is weird there regardless
[04:18] <wedgie>  /24 sounds more sane
[04:19] <davido> i don't know where it came from in the first place, but you are right, a /8 is oddly small
[04:19] <davido> sorry, oddly large
[04:19] <Dolmen0> this is true
[04:21] <wedgie> but still, look specifically for that 192.168.0.1 address in the config. Usually bind addresses are configured rather specifically
[04:21]  * wedgie goes home
[04:21] <davido> will do. thanks wedgie.
[04:35] <xxxx> ok, another question... in grub: why in:(##GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[04:35] <xxxx> ##GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true) have a "##" before if any screenshot i see does'nt have the "##" ??
[04:51] <OutOfSpace> hi guys
[04:51] <OutOfSpace> i'm new to linux and ubuntu
[04:51] <cfhowlett> !manual | OutOfSpace please read
[04:52] <OutOfSpace> thanks guy :) i already know how to do that
[05:02] <imkind> 有中国人吗
[05:03] <OutOfSpace> wooow :)
[05:03] <OutOfSpace> i don't understand you imkind
[05:05] <SaintPeteJackBo> Wow, suddenly it seems as if my main account password to my Ubuntu box is changed
[05:05] <SaintPeteJackBo> and i certainly did not change it
[05:05] <SaintPeteJackBo> Any advice?
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !cn | imkind,
[05:07] <cfhowlett> SaintPeteJackBo, passwords do not spontaneously change.  ensure you are typing it in correctly
[05:07] <cfhowlett> !password
[05:07] <SaintPeteJackBo> Oh yes, I am trust me
[05:07] <cfhowlett> says every hacker ever ...
[05:07] <SaintPeteJackBo> I can't get onto my box either through SSH or through physically using it
[05:08] <cfhowlett> SaintPeteJackBo, see the !password link I triggered above
[05:08] <SaintPeteJackBo> kk
[05:08] <SaintPeteJackBo> Hopefully it helps, somebody was trying to hack into my server the other day
[05:08] <SaintPeteJackBo> doesn't seem as if they caused any damage or anything but I wonder if this is part of that :x
[05:09]  * SaintPeteJackBo follows the link and does as instructed
[05:18] <SaintPeteJackBo> okay uhh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword   <--- on here where it says select my image... uhhh i'm a bit lost at that
[05:18] <SaintPeteJackBo> I needed to do the OTHER WAY
[05:19] <SaintPeteJackBo> I see Ubuntu and Advanced Options for Ubuntu...
[05:21] <SaintPeteJackBo> ...
[05:23] <cfhowlett> right, select your ubuntu version, i.e. 3.
[05:25] <SaintPeteJackBo> Okay uh I am in the passwordless root shell
[05:25] <SaintPeteJackBo> but whe  I try to change the password for the user I get this error:
[05:25] <SaintPeteJackBo> Authentication token manipulation error
[05:25] <SaintPeteJackBo> password unchanged
[05:26] <SaintPeteJackBo> I'm guessing the file system is in read only :(
[05:26] <cfhowlett> SaintPeteJackBo, confirm that you performed steps 1 - 5
[05:27] <SaintPeteJackBo> but the instructions I had to use were at the very bottom for Lucid, and I didn't see any part were I could change it to mount rw instead of ro, I even had to go to the "linux" line to add the init command
[05:27] <cfhowlett> lucid?  LUCID?!
[05:27] <cfhowlett> !lucic
[05:27] <cfhowlett> !lucid
[05:27] <SaintPeteJackBo> I am not actually on Lucid
[05:27] <SaintPeteJackBo> just my screens do not match the normal steps 1-5
[05:28] <SaintPeteJackBo> I am on the latest Ubuntu, afai
[05:28] <SaintPeteJackBo> afaik*
[05:28] <SaintPeteJackBo> Like nowhere do I have a line that starts with "kernel"
[05:28] <OutOfSpace> question i have Lenovo X1 carbon gen 3 currently have 15.04
[05:28] <OutOfSpace> can i update without having problems
[05:28] <cfhowlett> OutOfSpace, of course your are.
[05:29] <cfhowlett> !15.04 | OutOfSpace
[05:29] <SaintPeteJackBo> oh wait, I see ro on that line (the "linux" line)
[05:29] <cfhowlett> SaintPeteJackBo, 1.  are you on UBUNTU and not some derivative. e.g mint or something?
[05:30] <SaintPeteJackBo> I am on Ubuntu, yes
[05:31] <SaintPeteJackBo> Passwrod updated succesfully lol
[05:31] <cfhowlett> then the "other way" instructions are valid.  if you are not seeing expected feedback then you are doing it wrong or you have something exotic in your system.
[05:31] <SaintPeteJackBo> I wonder why that my system is more like the other way instructions with Lucid?
[05:32] <SaintPeteJackBo> I have no line in there that says "kernel"
[05:32] <cfhowlett> it definitely should not be ...
[05:32] <SaintPeteJackBo> that line for me starts "linux"
[05:32] <SaintPeteJackBo> in my command line, how can I tell you extactly what version and flavor I am using??
[05:32] <SaintPeteJackBo> 16.04LTS
[05:33] <cfhowlett> SaintPeteJackBo, inxi -F | pastebinit
[05:34] <OutOfSpace> where can i find more info about hardware compatability
[05:34]  * SaintPeteJackBo installs inxi
[05:34] <OutOfSpace> this lenovo x1 gen 3 is not the perfect linux machine
[05:34] <cfhowlett> should not need to install inxi!
[05:34] <SaintPeteJackBo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23662600/
[05:34] <SaintPeteJackBo> I needed to install it
[05:35] <cfhowlett> lsb_release -a
[05:35] <OutOfSpace> Hey Jack :)
[05:35] <OutOfSpace> how u doinn
[05:35] <SaintPeteJackBo> Is there a way I can also show you the screen I was on before, where I lacked the line starting with "kernel"?
[05:35] <SaintPeteJackBo> How do you know me :O?! haha <3
[05:37] <Mannn> I'm looking for any possible way to put a small bandwidth usage display (current download and up speeds) somewhere like on my desktop, or in the taskbar, you know I just dont want to start up a program just for that, I'd like it to be sort-of integrated into the desktop in some way.
[05:37] <SaintPeteJackBo> I'm not the smartest guy by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm also not stupid, and the instructions under !password for "The Other Way" were inaccurate regarding my particular system
[05:37] <Mannn> Where should I start looking
[05:39] <cfhowlett> Mannn, "indicators" seems the likely starting point
[05:44] <xangua> Mannn: CPU load indicator shows that, also CPU usage and disk usage
[05:44] <Mannn> !define "linux indicator"
[05:45] <SaintPeteJackBo> Hello!As I'm guessing #ubuntu-doc is dead, where can I report my problem with the !password documentation? I don't want to edit the Wiki directly, but I could.
[05:45] <xangua> Mannn: sorry the correct name is syspeek (not in official repositories)
[05:45] <SaintPeteJackBo> (sorry about that Hello!, carried over from another channel)
[05:47] <xangua> Mannn: www.webupd8.org/2014/06/syspeek-indicator-ported-to-gtk3.html?m=1
[05:48] <Mannn> Mmmk, so what if I'm using Cinnamon, on LM?
[05:51] <cfhowlett> might pull in some required dependencies but *should* work - ppa's are not official ubuntu package and are unsupported.
[05:54] <xangua> Mannn: well someone said indicator so I followed that, don't know about cinnamon
[06:01] <monkeyhouse> Good evening
[06:03] <cfhowlett> only in some parts, monkeyhouse.  "Greetings!"
[06:04] <ansh> \join #cyanogenmod
[06:05] <cfhowlett> ansh, /
[06:05] <monkeyhouse> Successfully installed Ubuntu 16.04 on an HP laptop that came with Windows 10 preinstalled, a few days ago. Initially, upon boot it would initiate GRUB and let me choose Ubuntu. Just a couple of hours ago, though, it refuses to give me the boot menu. Goes straight into Windows 10. I've tried disabling Win10's fast boot, I've tried messing with the
[06:05] <monkeyhouse> BIOS, with no luck. When I boot Ubuntu through Win10, it actually does load GRUB and it seems to work okay! So what am I missing. ANy ideas?
 thank you.. :)
[06:08] <cfhowlett> ansh, happy2help!
[06:17] <monkeyhouse> Meh, just tried boot-repair, disabled secureboot, and it still went straight to win10 :(
[06:19] <xangua> I removed windows right away, did you updated to Windows 10 recently or something?
[06:19] <monkeyhouse> No no. It was a laptop I bought days ago from an electronics store, and I installed Ubunto 16.04, via USB, right alongside it
[06:19] <monkeyhouse> and I hadn't even touched win10 since.
[06:30] <monkeyhouse> Well I learned just F9 goes straight into the boot menu, so there's that...
[06:32] <[CoD]LaW22> hi guys
[06:32] <[CoD]LaW22> hey monkeyhouse
[06:33] <monkeyhouse> Hi, [CoD]LaW22o
[06:33] <allen_> hi
[06:33] <[CoD]LaW22> Hi allen
[06:33] <[CoD]LaW22> whats going on in here?
[06:33] <allen_> any idea how to set up nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
[06:33] <[CoD]LaW22> i just installed ubuntu studio
[06:33] <cfhowlett> this is tech support.  skip the chitchat and ask your ubuntu questions please
[06:33] <[CoD]LaW22> which ubuntu you got?
[06:34] <allen_> 16.04
[06:34] <[CoD]LaW22> Good customer service is chitchat
[06:34] <cfhowlett> [CoD]LaW22, ask your support questions or chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic.  thanks.
[06:35] <allen_> i cant seem to find a repository that has nvidia drivers for gt710
[06:35] <cfhowlett> !nvidia | allen_
[06:35] <[CoD]LaW22> how do i identify myself on services?
[06:35] <cfhowlett> [CoD]LaW22, "services" ???
[06:36] <[CoD]LaW22> #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[06:36] <cfhowlett> !register | [CoD]LaW22
[06:36] <LiftLeft> what would be a good laptop for ubuntu 16.04 that's has 8 - 16Gb, 1TB hard drive and less than $600?
[06:36] <[CoD]LaW22> !register [CoD]LaW22
[06:37] <cfhowlett> [CoD]LaW22, not how it's done.  read the link.  instructions are there.
[06:37] <[CoD]LaW22> k
[06:41] <[CoD]LaW22> thx for your help cfhowlett
[06:41] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[06:44] <[CoD]LaW22> !nvidia
[06:44] <Mannn> Freeing up space: Is there any utility that tracks what packages are used, then allows you sort the # uses ascending? Either that or a "Date Last Used". I'm sure we all have packages we've isntalled and used once then never again, but you dont remember the package name so how would you know. If you open up Firefox a lot, then it's going to have a recent last-executed date along with a high count of how often you execute it. But
[06:44] <Mannn> then you can have junk like Brasero and Banshee installed, and you've barely used those, so their used count is low. You see? It would just be a convenient utility to find and determine packages that you no longer need.
[06:45] <[CoD]LaW22> nice mann
[06:47] <davido> Mannn: There are things which are so infrequently used, you'd get a lot of false positives.  ...and then when you really do need them, you would discover you clobbered them a month ago.
[06:48] <cfhowlett> Mannn, do this: dpkg -l | grep linux-headers*       should be a very short list.  if not, start there
[06:49] <davido> dump as many .gz files as you can find in /var/log
[07:17] <Mannn> You're funny
[07:18] <Mannn> Maybe not you davido, I think that was valid advice
[07:18] <davido> You could probably drop anything in /tmp that predates your uptime as well.
[07:20] <davido> also uname -r to get your current kernel version number. then dpkg --list |grep linux-image  .... listing out the images that come before the one currently in use.
[07:20] <davido> then sudo apt remove linux-image-xxxxxx for the ones that are old and just taking up space. keep the current and most recent previous ones.
[07:24] <Mannn> nice, that's helpful. You'd think by now distros would include a cleanup tool that has these features
[07:25] <hateball> !info bleachbit
[07:25] <hateball> Mannn: use that with caution, but it does that ^
[07:26] <UbuntUR> Hey ALL ...
[07:26] <Mannn> Will do. If you don't hear from me soon, assume it deleted too much...
[07:27] <UbuntUR> Have Big problem .... i've installed Remix os side by side windows and ubuntu ...
[07:27] <UbuntUR> when i boot up .. it only shows remix os and ubuntu ...
[07:27] <UbuntUR> Windows is not shown .... any inf ?
[07:32] <fadhel> OM TELOLET OM
[07:35] <UbuntUR> HELP .. ELP .. ELP
[07:35] <cfhowlett> knock it off
[07:35] <cfhowlett> !patience | UbuntUR
[07:40] <UbuntUR> ROGER
[07:42] <totonne98> ciao
[07:42] <Lerz> Hi
[07:52] <matiu> is there an easy way to say: hardware keyboard a = azerty input method; hardware keyboard b = qwerty; ?
[07:53] <matiu> or Japanese / English .. basically I'd like to assign an input method to each keyboard
[07:53] <hateball> well, maybe not "easy" but you could have different udev rules
[08:01] <DieOrDie> d
[08:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
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[08:22] <giorgiodg> lol
[08:22] <thxer> I am french so no pb :)
[08:22] <joegiampaoli> WTF???
[08:22] <hashme> LOL
[08:22] <Flannel> Just a spammer.
[08:22] <hashme> he quit?
[08:22] <Flannel> Je
[08:22] <Flannel> He's gone now
[08:23] <thxer> Nice joke
[08:24] <joegiampaoli> I think he helped me figuring out my timezone...
[08:33] <sven__> hi
[08:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sven__,  hi
[08:35] <munsking> Hello, where can i edit what WM/DE gets started with startx? my .xinitrc and .xsession are empty and it auto-starts fluxbox, i want to stop that.
[08:46] <Mannn> I had that same problem UbuntUR, did you figure it out
[08:46] <Mannn> Oh he's gone
[08:59] <WeiJunLi> anyone who used qemu that can help me to figure out all those segmentation faults? http://dpaste.com/3W184ZJ
[09:04] <Mannn> Will there be any problems trying this Ubuntu PPA on Linux Mint 18? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-ppas-repositories-add-ubuntu-based-systems/
[09:04] <Mannn> (but answer Wei's first, he was ahead of me ^)
[09:05] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 230: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed!
[09:05] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: that seems that one of the libraries is out of sync
[09:05] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: are you using a self built qemu or any self buitl libs?
[09:05] <cpaelzer> Also the guest kernel oops around acpi is at least disturbing - but only maybe related
[09:06] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: qemu-system-x86_64
[09:06] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: well that oops can be ignored right
[09:06] <ansh> I know it's off topic but can soomeone please explain me the basics of network and application layers in networking.
[09:07] <cpaelzer> ansh: https://www.techcress.com/the-osi-model-explained-in-simple-terms/ ?
[09:07] <kaleem-pirzada> hello, i need to know the best software tht can handle AutoCAD files
[09:07] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: by the log can you understand what's the out of sync lib?
[09:08] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: no I haven't found a hint what exactly
[09:08] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: search engines only give me some libgl problems that look similar
[09:08] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: but you shouldn't have much *gl in your case I think
[09:10] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: just got stuck on this issue
[09:10] <WeiJunLi> dont understand how to work around it
[09:10] <WeiJunLi> for weeks..
[09:10] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: that is really unfortunate you have a lot of options on your commandline
[09:11] <ansh> cpaelzer I was making a basic SIP program. For now I just wanted to send packets from one peer to another connected on my router.  So why do I need to have a SIP domain here ?
[09:11] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: did you try to drop (most) of them and check if it gets any better?
[09:11] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: which commands do you mean
[09:11] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: of "qemu-system-x86_64 -m '3024' -net 'nic' -net 'user,host=10.0.2.10,hostfwd=tcp::1569-:22' -display 'none' -serial 'stdio' -no-reboot -numa 'node,nodeid=0,cpus=0-1' -numa 'node,nodeid=1,cpus=2-3' -smp 'sockets=2,cores=2,threads=1' -enable-kvm -usb -usbdevice 'mouse' -usbdevice 'tablet' -soundhw 'all' -hda '/home/runner/gopath/src/github.com/google/syzkaller/tools/wheezy.img' -snapshot  -kernel '/home/runner/linux-4.8.0/
[09:11] <cpaelzer> arch/x86/boot/bzImage' -append 'console=ttyS0 vsyscall=native rodata=n oops=panic panic_on_warn=1 panic=-1 ftrace_dump_on_oops=orig_cpu earlyprintk=serial slub_debug=UZ root=/dev/sd"
[09:11] <cpaelzer> I'd at least drop ... (thinking)
[09:12] <cpaelzer>  -display 'none'   - try differenc options here
[09:12] <cpaelzer> -numa 'node,nodeid=0,cpus=0-1' -numa 'node,nodeid=1,cpus=2-3' -smp 'sockets=2,cores=2,threads=1'     numa is always a good source for issues even these days, if possible drop it all and just use -cpu 1 to begin with
[09:13] <cpaelzer> -usbdevice 'mouse' -usbdevice 'tablet'   to begin with no special devices
[09:13] <cpaelzer> -soundhw 'all'  likewise, disable sound
[09:13] <cpaelzer> -snapshot  -kernel '/home/runner/linux-4.8.0/arch/x86/boot/bzImage'   dont use snapshots
[09:14] <cpaelzer> of guest parms drop "vsyscall=native oops=panic panic_on_warn=1 panic=-1 ftrace_dump_on_oops=orig_cpu earlyprintk=serial slub_debug=UZ"  - that might be from your debugging I guess
[09:14] <stevie86> Hi! I get a strange message when doing sudo apt-get update: N: Datei »50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist« in Verzeichnis »/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/« wird ignoriert, da sie eine ungültige Dateinamen-Erweiterung hat.
[09:14] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: the thing is that my main goal is run syzkaller (it's a fuzzer), which needs to use qemu itself, so that qemu config is provided straight form Syzkaller
[09:14] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: I mean just try to simplify as much as possible and from there check which option gets you into the problem state
[09:14] <WeiJunLi> and i dont have the option to edit all settings
[09:15] <cpaelzer> Adn finally try "another" weezy image of some sorts
[09:15] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: I can only recommend what I tihnk has to be done to identify the issue :-/
[09:16] <WeiJunLi> that wheezy image is also generated by a syzkaller's script
[09:16] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: well but if it "leaves" the image around you can use it and mofiy the qemu cmdline right?
[09:17] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: also one more thing - your call starts at "runner@vm" and you start qemu-system-x86_64
[09:18] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: x86 all too often isn't too happy on 2nd level virtualization - and your login indicates that your "host" might already be virtualized
[09:18] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: take a look the output when i run syzkaller directly, so you can see the qemu config it auto-generates. http://dpaste.com/1RFFW83
[09:18] <cpaelzer> I'm not saying that it is not working, but it is error prone soemtimes
[09:19] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: ye i thought of that, true.
[09:19] <WeiJunLi> the machine im trying to run it is already a vm
[09:19] <WeiJunLi> not using qemu though, vmware fusion.
[09:19] <cpaelzer> I'd still try to eliminate that for now
[09:20] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: umm - your segfaul "appears" to be in sed and such, you sure this is a qemu crash
[09:20] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: knowing it is a fuzzer my current theory would be either the complexity of the setup (see my recommendations to simplify) OR maybe it is just fuzzing the wrong stuff
[09:20] <cpaelzer> random segfaults + fuzzer somehow rings a bell in my mind
[09:21] <WeiJunLi> gotta be qemu issue, since setting up a qemu vm manually throws the same issue. No fuzzing stuff involved.
[09:22] <cpaelzer> Good, that is one step of simplification on your list
[09:23] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: so the following two commands give you a crashing guest as well?
[09:23] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync --source http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily arch=amd64 label=daily release=xenial
[09:23] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: uvt-kvm create --password=ubuntu testguest release=xenial arch=amd64 label=daily
[09:23] <cpaelzer> Might need to isntall uvtool-libvirt before you can do so
[09:24] <cpaelzer> btw - what is your Ubuntu release you are running on
[09:25] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: 16.10
[09:25] <WeiJunLi> guess was wrong idea to use that one.
[09:25] <WeiJunLi> gimme a sec
[09:26] <WeiJunLi> I'm correcting some packages
[09:26] <WeiJunLi> apt-get warned about
[09:32] <boriseto-work> Hello, for some reason when trying to remove linux-image-extra that isn't used I get the E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). Any ideas what to do? Tried apt-get -f install
[09:38] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: nothing wrong on 16.10 :-) more so on the stacked x86 virt IMHO
[09:39] <boriseto-work> okay, dist upgrade seems to fixed some of the issues... :/
[09:40] <cpaelzer> boriseto-work: mostly the console or journal hold some clues what to look for
[09:40] <cpaelzer> boriseto-work: like a particular file being unable to be modified, a non existing user/grup, a service starting to fail
[09:41] <cpaelzer> boriseto-work: how much of "some of the issue" did the dist-upgrade fix for you?
[09:41] <boriseto-work> cpaelzer: yeah, i understand. well removed the extra files, but didn't upgrade to the kernel i wanted it to upgrade.
[09:43] <uthng> Hello all
[09:43] <uthng> anyone can give me some explains about the script do-release-upgrade please ?
[09:44] <boriseto-work> cpaelzer: so it's okay for now since I have no errors after rebooting the machine. Will give another go later...
[09:44] <uthng> I have actually a server ubuntu 14.04.5 and want to upgrade it to xenial 16.05
[09:44] <uthng> but when I do do-release-upgrade with proxy settings
[09:45] <uthng> it cannot fetch any repos
[09:45] <uthng> but with apt-get update or upgrade, it works correctly
[09:45] <uthng> How can I set proxy parameters for do-release-upgrade ?
[09:46] <wyoung> uthng: nice
[09:47] <brainwash> uthng: try "export http_proxy=http://1.2.3.4:8080"
[09:48] <uthng> brainwash: I have all proxy env variables set
[09:48] <cpaelzer> uthng: I agree to brainwash and if not sufficient you might consider http://askubuntu.com/questions/257290/configure-proxy-for-apt
[09:48] <uthng> I also have proxy params in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[09:48] <cpaelzer> it should pick up the env, but since you have an issue the apt proxy conf might be worth a try
[09:48] <cpaelzer> uh, well thats :-/ then
[09:49] <uthng> thats why I said that apt-get update & upgrade work well
[09:49] <cpaelzer> uthng: could you pastebin your console of the issue with do-release-upgrade ?
[09:49] <uthng> but do-release-upgrade de nada nothing :D
[09:49] <cpaelzer> maybe someone here gets an idea looking at that
[09:49] <wyoung> cpaelzer: I get all sorts of all ideas
[09:49] <cpaelzer> hehe
[09:50] <cpaelzer> wyoung: I meant useful ideas - I know mankind is full of ideas in general :-)
[09:50] <wyoung> cpaelzer: oh.
[09:53] <WeiJunLi> cpaelzer: the first uvt command takes a while to give any output or some?
[09:54] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: yeah it syncs a daily cloudimage to your disk to then be used
[09:54] <cpaelzer> by the latter command
[09:54] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: depends on your downlink speed
[09:55] <uthng> cpaelzer: http://pastebin.com/z9GXjSST
[09:56] <WeiJunLi> well my connection really sucks, does it kinda change the kernel config by any means?
[09:56] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: no it does not - the commands just are a common way to spawn a kvm guest
[09:56] <cpaelzer> WeiJunLi: and one I trust in for easy verification if in your case everything is broken or more that specific fuzzy-image
[09:57] <cpaelzer> uthng: hrm, that really isn't a lot - I'll set up a proxy and a guest to test that if I can get it doen quickly
[09:59] <uthng> cpaelzer: isnt a lot ? I just made a copy of all traces to show you
[09:59] <uthng> it ignores or does not reach all repos urls
[09:59] <uthng> it ignores or does not reach all repos urls
[10:11] <cpaelzer> uthng: couldn't reproduce - worked for me - here some logs to compare
[10:12] <cpaelzer> uthng: do-release-upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/23663290/
[10:12] <cpaelzer> uthng: squid log on the proxy http://paste.ubuntu.com/23663284/
[10:14] <cpaelzer> uthng: I aborted the former process to give you the logs, now I restarted and let it run - seems to work fine
[10:15] <cpaelzer> uthng: sorry I couldn't help - next step seems to be to find what on-your-system OR your-proxy is different to cause this
[10:16] <uthng> cpaelzer: maybe because you use squid
[10:16] <uthng> im behind an corp. firewall
[10:16] <cpaelzer> uthng: could be, do you use a hosting provided proxy=
[10:16] <cpaelzer> ?
[10:16] <cpaelzer> uthng: yeah depending on what they wall of that could be the reason - but even more so is hard to reproduce outside of your environment
[10:16] <cpaelzer> :-/
[10:17] <uthng> yes, well. I will try upgrading with the classic way hehe
[10:17] <wyoung> I like squid
[10:17] <cpaelzer> wyoung: considering your ideas before I assume you mean eating squid :-P
[10:17] <wyoung> cpaelzer: grilled
[10:18] <wyoung> cpaelzer: and or pinneappled
[10:19] <cpaelzer> as squid risotto it is nice as well
[10:19] <wyoung> cpaelzer: minus the risotto
[10:19] <wyoung> cpaelzer: useless rice
[10:20] <cpaelzer> oh really, risotto is great in almost all variants
[10:20] <wyoung> I disagree
[10:20] <cpaelzer> feel free to do so
[10:20] <wyoung> of course
[10:21] <cpaelzer> but
[10:21]  * cpaelzer goes afk cooking
[10:21] <cpaelzer> sadly neither squid nor risotto around
[10:21] <wyoung> I had rissoles, and I drug a hole, it's filling with water
[10:23] <ptrv> hi, does someone know why the SHLVL env variable in gnome-terminal is 2 in 16.10?
[10:26] <brainwash> ptrv: http://askubuntu.com/questions/856532/why-is-shlvl-initially-2-in-ubuntu-16-10-but-not-earlier-versions
[10:28] <ptrv> brainwash: the question is not answered there. I already stumbled upon your link
[10:29] <brainwash> ptrv: then you should file a bug report
[10:29] <ptrv> brainwash: ok
[10:31] <brainwash> ptrv: similar issue bug 1317829
[10:43] <vkolchev> Hi, anyone uses viber for ubuntu?
[10:43] <bazhang> !info viber
[10:43] <EriC^^> !touch | vkolchev
[10:43] <bazhang> what is viber vkolchev
[10:44] <vkolchev> bazhang, messaging platform, proprietary
[10:44] <vkolchev> www.viber.com
[10:45] <bazhang> how is that related to ubuntu support vkolchev
[10:45] <vkolchev> bazhang, need advice from someone who uses it in ubuntu
[10:45] <vkolchev> That's why asking
[10:47] <brainwash> !ask
[10:47] <brainwash> just ask
[10:47] <wyoung> hmmm, if you can't ask to ask, can you ask to ask to ask to ask?
[10:47] <bazhang> thats not helpful wyoung
[10:49] <vkolchev> Okay. Seems like this is what everyone loves - to teach how to ask, lol) I will shoot the question, alright. Viber is a proprietary software and is not contained in repos, of course. Anyone knows of existence of ppa for viber or another way to know if there are updates (don't mind to reinstall). Viber website does not specify versioning number, and I am not sure any update notifications are implemented in viber for linux itself. Many
[10:49] <vkolchev> thanks for your answers in advance, if any.
[10:51] <bazhang> vkolchev, there is a search PPA function at launchpad, please take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic as polling is not supported here, thanks
[10:52] <EriC^^> vkolchev: the guys in #ubuntu-touch might know since they might install it on their ubuntu phones
[10:54] <vkolchev> bazhang, EriC^^ thank you for answers, guys
[10:54] <vkolchev> Will try what you suppose
[10:54] <bazhang> welcome
[11:06] <jophish> How can I stop application icons "wiggling" onto the screen?
[11:08] <wyoung> merpnderp: I like your name
[11:10] <zzarr> hello!
[11:10] <wyoung> zzarr: hai bro
[11:10] <zzarr> I have an external ssd with Ubuntu 16.04.1 on
[11:10] <wyoung> that's a good start
[11:11] <zzarr> how do I make it bootable from any computer?
[11:11] <ikonia> zzarr: if grub is on the SSD it will be bootable from any computer
[11:11] <wyoung> zzarr: just boot off it
[11:11] <ikonia> seems a bit of a waste to have an SSD throttled by USB though
[11:11] <ikonia> be aware though it won't work with every computer if the coputers are different, especially around video/wireless/networking device
[11:11] <zzarr> ikonia, it's a USB3
[11:12] <ikonia> zzarr: still slow
[11:12] <ikonia> (compared to SSD performance)
[11:12] <ikonia> but anyway, thats all you need to really be aware of
[11:13] <zzarr> ikonia, I know, but the guy who will use it have Windows on his computer and is helping in a project
[11:14] <zzarr> for the project Ubuntu is needed
[11:14] <ikonia> zzarr: ok ?
[11:14] <wyoung> ikonia: semi-correct
[11:14] <ikonia> wyoung: what now what is "not correct" ?
[11:15] <wyoung> ikonia: it was not incorrect but it was entirely correct
[11:15] <wyoung> was = wasn't
[11:15] <ikonia> wyoung: what was not correct
[11:15] <wyoung> ikonia: 80% correct
[11:15] <wyoung> ikonia: give or take
[11:15] <ikonia> wyoung: what was not correct
[11:16] <ouroumov> zzarr, you just have to make sure he knows how to change the boot order
[11:16] <ikonia> wyoung: please let me know what was not correct
[11:16] <wyoung> ikonia: video/wireless/networking statement.  It can be made to work
[11:16] <ikonia> wyoung: really please tell me how it can be made to work on multiple computers
[11:16] <wyoung> ikonia: shotgun approach
[11:16] <ikonia> wyoung: please answer with a solution
[11:16] <ikonia> not a word
[11:17] <wyoung> ikonia: what? stating that something is 80% correct doesn't require a solution does it?
[11:17] <ikonia> wyoung: how do you make it work
[11:17] <ikonia> wyoung: if you're telling me it's wrong - please explain how you make all hardware work for all computers (specifically around video/wired/wireless) networking
[11:18] <wyoung> ikonia: no no, it isn't, it is more right
[11:18] <ikonia> wyoung: please explain how you make it work
[11:19] <wyoung> ikonia: correctly define the premise first
[11:19] <ikonia> wyoung: make a portable usb correctly support all computers, specifcally around video/wireless and wired network devices
[11:19] <wyoung> define all
[11:20] <ikonia> all possible computers
[11:20] <wyoung> are we including computer that ubuntu has recently dropped support for?
[11:20] <ikonia> of an x86_64
[11:20] <wyoung> great! I like clarification
[11:21] <zzarr> ouroumov, yes, I will make sure
[11:24] <ikonia> wyoung: if you know I'm incorrect you should have an answer by now ?
[11:24] <ikonia> wyoung: how do you do it ?
[11:24] <wyoung> ikonia: you are 80% correct, don't be a pesimise
[11:24] <ikonia> wyoung: please tell me how to cover the %20
[11:24] <ikonia> wyoung: I'd advised him of an area to be concerned with / pay attention to, and you're saying I'm missing %20 as it's not a problem
[11:25] <ikonia> please explain how to cover that %20
[11:25] <wyoung> ikonia: of course
[11:25] <ikonia> go for it
[11:29] <tsglove> Hey guys, n00b question:  I log in to on of my servers via ssh keys.  For security, the server_USER has a long password.  If I need to run something as sudo, I have to dig up the password in my notes.
[11:29] <tsglove> If there a way to authenticate the sudo command with the ssh key?
[11:30] <tsglove> Or how do you go about doing something when you have to sudo?
[11:32] <Guest7929> cc
[11:32] <Ben64> tsglove: if you disable password authentication over ssh, you could set your password to something easier, OR.... https://xkcd.com/936/
[11:32] <blackflow> tsglove: the sudo layer is not such a strong protection so you don't need very strong password for it  IF: a) you use pubkeys (and you do),   b) you limit sudo only to your admin user
[11:32] <tsglove> Ahh... that helps "visualize" the situation.  Thank you Ben64 and blackflow.
[11:33] <tsglove> So suggestions: 0- disable pwd auth ssh, use only ssh-key... then something easier for the password.
[11:33] <tsglove> ok.  Got a better idea now.
[11:34] <blackflow> personally I see no advantage in sudo over logging in as root. there's more hassle with sudo than there's benefit. the key premise of this is, if the threat actor has passed through your pubkey auth, you have far bigger problems than worrying about sudo
[11:34] <wyoung> blackflow: ummmm not really
[11:34] <blackflow> and with all these zero day priv escalation bugs in linux ecosystem, one does not need sudo to pwn you, once it has shell.
[11:35] <blackflow> wyoung: yes really, it's a balance of probabilities, but hey, I don't wanna argue about it, that's just something I do and I offered an opinion. that's all from me.
[11:36] <tomreyn> but make sure that network exposure of accounts which are able to become or run commands as root is as limited as possible. i.e. don't run a webserver or really any other network accessible services as the user you use to run administrative commands.
[11:36] <ikonia> wyoung: got my answer yet ?
[11:36] <wyoung> ikonia: Watching TV
[11:36] <blackflow> tomreyn: good advice.
[11:37] <jc> Having a little trouble with cupsd in 16.04 in that the service restarts at 06:25 every morning without fail, rendering pending print jobs unprintable. How can I prevent this service from being restarted every morning? I think something in cron.daily is responsible but that's as far as I got.
[11:40] <tomreyn> jc: it may be logrotation. some services need to be restarted so that logrotate can cut the older log file records off to a separate file.
[11:41] <tomreyn> however, cups would normally retry print jobs which failed in the previous run.
[11:42] <tomreyn> so you may need to tweak either cupsd's configuration or that of the logrotation ocnfiguration for cups
[11:42] <jc> I have one or two hold/release queues where jobs are held until released - any jobs held when cupsd restarts disappear when released
[11:42] <jc> Is it as simple as re-enabling internal logrotating in the config so upstart/logrotate doesn't affect cups?
[11:43]  * tomreyn would not know, and lacks a depper understanding of cups
[11:44] <jc> I might look at removing cups from upstart's oversight and just run it without the "on demand" flag, but I'm truly stumped as to the best course of action
[12:02] <cristian_> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:04] <cristian_> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:04] <cristian_> hola
[12:04] <ikonia> cristian_: please stop that
[12:04] <cristian_> perdon
[12:04] <cristian_> sorry
[12:04] <ikonia> no problem
[12:05] <ikonia> cristian_: you're in the ubuntu technical support channel, so if you need help with ubuntu, this is the place to ask
[12:05] <cristian_> OKey thanks
[12:07] <cristian_> alguien español?
[12:07] <ikonia> !es | cristian_
[12:08] <cristian_> The terminal in Linux not open the bsdgames (usr/games) not PATH and in the Nautilus i can open the arhive an th function
[12:08] <ikonia> cristian_: cd /usr/games ?
[12:08] <cristian_> yes
[12:08] <ikonia> cristian_: is that what you're trying to do ?
[12:09] <cristian_> the another program for that for example oneko
[12:09] <cristian_> ?
[12:09] <ikonia> cristian_: what are you trying to do ?
[12:10] <cristian_> oneko its not working on terminal, in graphical mode works, but i want it on the terminal
[12:11] <cristian_> i mean if i open the especific file it works
[12:12] <cristian_> but if a execute the command on terminal not
[12:12] <wafflejock> cristian_, if you run it with the full path does it work? are you just trying to add that to your PATH? so you can run it without the full path?
[12:13] <cristian_> waht do you  mean by full PATH?
[12:14] <wafflejock> cristian_, I mean if the actual executable file is in /usr/games/oneko if you run that or you cd into /usr/games and run the executable does it launch? if not what error do you get?
[12:15] <core_x250> is this the help channel
[12:15] <hateball> !help | core_x250
[12:15] <wafflejock> cristian_, the PATH is an environment variable that is used to find executables at the terminal too though so if a path like /usr/games is listed in your PATH environment variable any binary in there gets picked up for completion in the terminal
[12:16] <core_x250> can i install kali tool on ubuntu
[12:16] <core_x250> tools *
[12:16] <wafflejock> core_x250, you'd have to check the repos to see what is available, anything not in the official repos isn't supported here
[12:16] <wafflejock> core_x250, can check packages.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <core_x250> ok thx
[12:17] <wafflejock> core_x250, or use apt-cache policy packagename, that'll tell you if something in particular is available
[12:17] <Wulf> Hello
[12:18] <cristian_> the terminal tells me that the oneko its avalible but, the terminal doesnt found the command
[12:18] <cristian_> and is not variable PATH
[12:18] <wafflejock> cristian_, can you pastebin a copy of the lines showing you running the command and the response will help if we can see the actual input and results
[12:19] <Wulf> I build my own .deb packages for trusty + xenial. Reprepro requires that the two packages (trusty + xenial) have different versions. But I don't want to keep two copies of the same source code (or two branches) to specify two different versions in debian/changelog. Is there any better way?
[12:19] <cristian_> i have my so in spanish :S
[12:19] <cristian_> wait i chhange
[12:22] <lion_> hi guys
[12:24] <cristian_> i don't have more time thanks any ways
[12:24] <wafflejock> cristian_, no prob good luck
[12:24] <cristian_> bye :)
[12:24] <wafflejock> bye o/
[12:24] <wafflejock> hi lion_
[12:32] <lion_> see ya
[12:38] <lion_> today i ran  sudo nano update but something is wrong so that i can update. i have changed the software sources does it matter?thx
[12:38] <Wulf> lion_: "sudo nano update"?
[12:38] <hateball> Well you're not going to update your system using nano, for starters
[12:38] <Wulf> lion_: nano is an editor, why do you want to edit "update"?
[12:39] <lion_> no sudo apt-get update
[12:39] <lion_> sorry for my fault
[12:39] <tomreyn> !pastebin | lion_
[12:39] <tomreyn> show your output
[12:40] <tomreyn> and yes, software sources can matter
[12:41] <lion_> 获取:1 http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/raspbian/raspbian wheezy InRelease [14.9 kB]
[12:41] <lion_> 忽略:1 http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/raspbian/raspbian wheezy InRelease
[12:41] <lion_> 命中:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net/flexiondotorg/minecraft/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[12:41] <lion_> 命中:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome-terminator/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[12:41] <lion_> 命中:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate-dev/welcome/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[12:41] <lion_> 命中:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-makers/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[12:42] <tomreyn> lion_: you were muted (will expire shortly) because you did not use a pastebin
[12:42] <tomreyn> ...but pasted output in here directly. please don't.
[12:43] <tomreyn> see what ubottu told you above.
[12:44] <LinuxNovice> hi, I am new to Linux. Wanted to know what are the advantages of Ubuntu or Ubuntu variants over Debian?
[12:45] <Mathisen> LinuxNovice, in general debian is more stable but contain older versions..
[12:46] <LinuxNovice> ok. Does that make better than Ubuntu or is Ubuntu is better than Debian?
[12:46] <Ben64> depends on your preference
[12:47] <tomreyn> that's for you to decide.
[12:47] <LinuxNovice> What are the possible problems or issues users might face while using Ubuntu because of it being not as stable as Debian?
[12:48] <LinuxNovice> I have used Ubuntu variants like Lubuntu and Xubuntu, didn't notice any significant issues.
[12:49] <LinuxNovice> But, as I said above, I'm a beginner in Linux.
[12:49] <Bonzodog> Well, debian is slightly more complicated to use, in that it doesn't do graphical installers, or as many GUI interfaces
[12:49] <tomreyn> i'd say if you stay with ubuntu LTS you are getting very close to debian stability, and may even get newer software versions.
[12:50] <blackflow> LinuxNovice: sometimes problem arise that, say, prevent boot, and require you to know the boot process and where to fix the issue, if it's fixable.
[12:50] <tomreyn> this can happen on both systems, and is equally unlikely with stable releases on both systems
[12:50] <Bonzodog> Debian would require you to have a decent knowledge of the commandline, knowing where config files are, and how to adjust them manually
[12:51] <blackflow> tomreyn: unlikely and yet it's currently happening if you use nvidia driver and happen to have encrypted root.
[12:51] <blackflow> the actual problem in that is that it's been many weeks and NO fix from Canonical.
[12:51] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, if you truly want to learn and use linux, choose ONE distro and use for a long enough time to study and learn it!  You have been asking "what's better, this OS or that OS?" for the past few weeks.  choose a lane.
[12:51] <tomreyn> blackflow: yeah if you use proprietary software things can get complicated
[12:51] <LinuxNovice> ok. Does that mean for a newbie like me who has switched from Windows, Ubuntu is more suitable?
[12:52] <blackflow> tomreyn: doesn't matter, it's officially supported by Ubuntu, so... :)
[12:52] <blackflow> hey, just saying, it's not all flowers. sometimes you have to dig deep.
[12:52] <blackflow> even then I'd still recommend Ubuntu over Debian.
[12:52] <Bonzodog> Yes, use Ubuntu for a while. Get used to the foibles of using linux, and don't be scared of the terminal or commandline. learn where files are, and about the filesystem
[12:53] <LinuxNovice> In Windows the users have little confusion in choosing which version to choose from. But, the number of distros in Linux is so overwhelming.
[12:54] <Bonzodog> Ubuntu is a good place to start in the linux world
[12:55] <Bonzodog> Its simple, and has GUI's for ost things. X rarely if ever crashes
[12:55] <LinuxNovice> Can we rely upon the page hit ranking in Distrowatch.com to choose a suitable linux distro?
[12:55] <Bonzodog> NO
[12:55] <blackflow> heh no
[12:55] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, thus the suggest to choose one and test it.
[12:55] <Bonzodog> Distrowatch is a shill site
[12:55] <LinuxNovice> I am using a Ubuntu variant now.
[12:55] <cfhowlett> then why are you asking about others?
[12:55] <Bonzodog> Just stick with what you have and make it work for you.
[12:56] <snooops> Hi
[12:56] <tomreyn> hello there
[12:56] <Bonzodog> also, remember - you can install ANY desktop/window manager on that version of ubuntu, so if you feel uncomfortable with the UI for any reason, simply install another WM
[12:56] <LinuxNovice> I was just curious to know. I can expect to get some useful inputs here in choosing a suitable distro.
[12:57] <LinuxNovice> that's great.
[12:57] <LinuxNovice> what's the difference between WM and Desktop?
[12:57] <snooops> im trying to set up sssd with ubuntu desktop using the ad id_provider. for debug purposes i ran ping domain.tld, which responds: ping: unknown host domain.tld. Is this normal at ubuntu?
[12:57] <Bonzodog> You essentially have Ubuntu already, the differnce in the varints is just the desktop they use
[12:58] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[12:58] <snooops> as i read, ubuntu uses the networkmanager to setup dns managemnt instead of resolv.conf
[12:58] <LinuxNovice> difference between Desktop and WM?
[12:58] <blackflow> snooops: actually uses systemd-resolved, at least last two versions. which ubuntu are you on?
[12:58] <snooops> 16.04
[12:59] <Bonzodog> a Window Manager does just that - ONLY handles the windows and their frames. A complete desktop environment includes theme specific apps, and a complete look/feel to the UI
[12:59] <blackflow> snooops: and domain.tld does not exist in public dns?
[12:59] <snooops> domain.tld is my active directory domain
[12:59] <ilhami> I hate Ubuntu's task switcher! it's the worst. :/
[12:59] <blackflow> snooops: you can add it to /etc/hosts
[12:59] <ilhami> I meant Unity's sorry
[12:59] <snooops> nope, those are notebooks ;)
[13:00] <blackflow> snooops: sorry?
[13:00] <ilhami> considering installing Gnome now
[13:00] <snooops> i dont like to add hosts entries if i have a working dns server
[13:00] <LinuxNovice> so, DE is more comprehensive that WM?
[13:00] <Bonzodog> yes
[13:00] <blackflow> snooops: ah I see so you have to add the dns server to your network config?
[13:01] <snooops> every other os is handling the resolving of domain.tld correctly: Active Directory round-robin entries. just ubuntu dont like to ping those
[13:01] <Bonzodog> DE's are XFCE, KDE, Unity, and GNome
[13:01] <LinuxNovice> how can I install a DE on Ubuntu of its variant?
[13:01] <snooops> the dns server are pushed correctly by dhcp to the client
[13:01] <LinuxNovice> what is the most appropriate method?
[13:01] <Bonzodog> use aptitude, and search for the DE of your choice, or the software centre
[13:02] <ilhami> apt-cache search keyword
[13:02] <raub> How do I disable the unity search bar or tell it not to try to grab the alt key?
[13:03] <blackflow> snooops: can you confirm that your client can resolve domain.tld against the dns IP?  dig domain.tld @your.dns.ip.here
[13:03] <LinuxNovice> ok. that's great. Can I install Enlightenment DE on Ubuntu. It is suggested as a lightweight DE>
[13:03] <snooops> yip thats working
[13:03] <blackflow> snooops: also check   systemd-resolve domain.tld
[13:04] <Bonzodog> yes you can. Search the software centre for it
[13:04] <snooops> ah kk
[13:04] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[13:04] <LinuxNovice> and is LXQT compatible with Ubuntu, Lubuntu or LXLE?
[13:05] <Bonzodog> yes to all of the above
[13:05] <LinuxNovice> Great.
[13:06] <Bonzodog> I have ubuntu installed with gnome, KDE, XFCE, and Openbox installed, and just relog and switch desktops when I feel like it.
[13:06] <LinuxNovice> and can we install any windows application on Ubuntu through Wine?
[13:06] <snooops> blackflow: yep its working too
[13:06] <snooops> https://nopaste.me/view/4670c8be
[13:06] <snooops> thats the response
[13:06] <hateball> !wine | LinuxNovice
[13:06] <blackflow> snooops: but you can't ping it?
[13:07] <Bonzodog> No, there are some massive incompatibilities with WINE
[13:07] <blackflow> snooops: literally "ping nf.local" ?
[13:07] <LinuxNovice> or is there a limit to what kind of windows apps that can be installed on Wine/
[13:07] <LinuxNovice> ?
[13:07] <snooops> blackfow: yes: ping: unknown host nf.local
[13:07] <ilhami> LXQT ? :) that's the new fork, right?
[13:07] <hateball> LinuxNovice: Yes, check the AppDB
[13:07] <Bonzodog> yes there is. A lot of windows games won't run on wine currently, especially those tht use Direct X 11 or above
[13:08] <Bonzodog> Wine only supports upto DX9 with any stability
[13:08] <ilhami> Wine sucks. :D
[13:08] <hateball> Good thing we have thousands of native games then :)
[13:08] <blackflow> snooops: that sounds like a bug I hit recently.... say, when you "dig nf.local @your.dns.ip.here"  is there a "Malformed message" line at the top of dig output?
[13:08] <Bonzodog> Yeah, linux has an app for almost everything
[13:09] <blackflow> hateball: 3000+ and counting, on Steam :)
[13:09] <Bonzodog> and has a massive amount of games, including a decent library of AAA titles
[13:09] <snooops> blackflow: nope, no Malformed mesage
[13:09] <blackflow> snooops: then I don't get it, it resolves, but can't ping.... what does "host nf.local" say?
[13:09] <blackflow> snooops: returns the IP, or errors out?
[13:10] <snooops> blackflow: all valid ips
[13:10] <LinuxNovice> I don't want games. Just want to install some apps that run exclusively on Windows.
[13:10] <blackflow> snooops: try "systemctl restart systemd-resolved" and then try ping again?
[13:10] <Bonzodog> such as?
[13:10] <blackflow> photoshop :)
[13:10] <LinuxNovice> Adobe Acrobat PDF reader.
[13:10] <Bonzodog> I would bet there are linux alternatives
[13:10] <Bonzodog> Linux has some good PDF readers
[13:11] <snooops> blackflow: nope, same error: unknown host
[13:11] <Bonzodog> better than Adobe Acrobat in a couple of cases
[13:11] <snooops> nobody here running sssd on ubuntu 16.04 with an active directory?
[13:11] <hateball> Okular is pretty sweet
[13:11] <tomreyn> snooops: did you choose .local as your local / AD TLD? if so, bad choice.
[13:11] <LinuxNovice> I am not able to open some pdf files on Ubuntu. They ask for password. But, they open with Adobe reader.
[13:11] <snooops> tomreyn: wasnt my idea… but yes i know
[13:11] <LinuxNovice> I have used Okular also.
[13:11] <blackflow> snooops: I was about to suggest you try another tld, that .local sounds like a reserved told
[13:12] <blackflow> *tld
[13:12] <nermine> hhgg
[13:12] <LinuxNovice> But, strangely, on Sparky Linux, by using qpdf reader, I am able to open them.
[13:13] <Bonzodog> so instal qpdf reader on ubuntu then
[13:13] <LinuxNovice> But, here in Ubuntu, the same files ask for password.
[13:13] <LinuxNovice> Even with qpdf reader.
[13:13] <Bonzodog> its probably a setting somewhere. I am not familiar with it myself
[13:14] <LinuxNovice> I have installed every pdf reader available on Ubuntu app store. They still ask for password.
[13:14] <snooops> i will have a look at this, thanks
[13:14] <Bonzodog> ah, maye it needs your userpassword
[13:14] <blackflow> snooops: you could also put systemd-resolved in debug mode and check the journal as you try ping
[13:15] <blackflow> snooops: but then, that probably won't show anything since resolving with it directly works.
[13:15] <LinuxNovice> I was able to open these files without password on my android tablet also.
[13:15] <Bonzodog> yeah, its a file permissions problem
[13:15] <blackflow> snooops: still, you can check what's going on
[13:15] <tomreyn> snooops: so you know this, i guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local#Microsoft_recommendations
[13:15] <snooops> blackflow: i will setup a test ad and try this again
[13:15] <Bonzodog> the password will be your user or the root password
[13:15] <LinuxNovice> With Adobe reader, I dont have any problem.
[13:16] <snooops> blackflow: if its really that .local stuff, i have opened pandora's
[13:16] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try that and see.
[13:16] <Bonzodog> well no, becuase its reading the files in way that doesn't require admin level access
[13:16] <blackflow> snooops: at the moment, if you can't ping, then I'd look into name resolving as the primary issue
[13:16] <Bonzodog> It must have something to do with where the files are being rad from
[13:16] <Bonzodog> read
[13:17] <Bonzodog> if its a separate device such as a USB stick, then its most likely mounting the stick without full read/write perms
[13:17] <LinuxNovice> I tried with root password also. It still asks for the password.
[13:17] <LinuxNovice> I didn't have this problem in Sparky linux.
[13:18] <Bonzodog> no, its a file mounting problem
[13:18] <LinuxNovice> The file is copied on the HDD.
[13:18] <LinuxNovice> Other files on that HDD can be read.
[13:18] <LinuxNovice> It is mounted.
[13:18] <nermine> ccccccccccccccc
[13:18] <Bonzodog> I've never even heard of "sparky linux", and I've been using it for 20 years
[13:18] <LinuxNovice> It is debian based distro.
[13:19] <Bonzodog> I'm not sure what to suggest, but it does sound like a permissions problem
[13:20] <EriC^^> somebody highlighted me?
[13:20] <LinuxNovice> I have this problem on Linux Mint also.
[13:20] <Bonzodog> when ubuntu reads them, it decides you don't have permission to open them, so asks for a password
[13:20] <Bonzodog> Linux mint is essentially Ubuntu remixed -.-
[13:21] <LinuxNovice> but, other pdfs are readable without any password.
[13:21] <LinuxNovice> only a few pdf files ask for password.
[13:22] <LinuxNovice> and these same pdf files are readable on Sparky Linux without the need of any password.
[13:22] <MarcoP> so some security updates not get installed with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade? How come I sometimes get an alert after running that and even after it is not showing any needed updates
[13:22] <Bonzodog> so, look at them in the file manager, and see if they have permissions set differently
[13:22] <MarcoP> so = do
[13:22] <LinuxNovice> Bonzodog, how?
[13:22] <cfhowlett> Marco, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will grab all updatables
[13:24] <MarcoP> thanks cfhowlett
[13:24] <Bonzodog> I can't remember how to set/check it right now, and I am not currently booted into Ubuntu, as I am dual booting Ubuntu with Windows 10 fast preview
[13:25] <cfhowlett> happy2help! Marco
[13:25] <MarcoP> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:25] <MarcoP> oops
[13:25] <MarcoP> lol
[13:25] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:25] <MarcoP> this is not terminal is it
[13:25] <MarcoP> lol
[13:26] <laura_> hello i have trouble updating ubuntu
[13:26] <cfhowlett> laura_, details?
[13:28] <laura_> eventhough my computer is connected to internet it says it fails to download package files
[13:28] <jamesrleimer> hi
[13:28] <laura_> and that i need to check internet connection
[13:28] <cfhowlett> laura_, from the terminal?  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | pastebinit
[13:30] <laura_> ok i think its updating
[13:31] <cfhowlett> paste the url here
[13:31] <laura_> waiting for finish
[13:32] <LinuxNovice> I didn't get any solution to my query
[13:46] <jafe> Hi
[13:47] <nejm> Hi people, it's me again, my DNS resolution still does not work... I reinstalled resolvconf and upgraded all my packages, but I still cannot resolve webadresses and such...
[13:48] <nejm> Could someone tell me what is wrong with my Ubuntu computer that causes only this computer to have trouble with DNS resolution?
[13:48] <nejm> before I updated from 14.04 to 16.04.1 everything was fine, but now it doesn't work anymore
[13:49] <tomreyn> nejm: how do you test / what makes you think name resolution does not work?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:50] <tomreyn> nejm: i don't doubt what you're saying, just trying to understand it better
[13:50] <nejm> tomreyn: sure, I'm glad you're helping!
[13:50] <nejm> I asked this sort of the same question yesterday and we concluded it was the DNS
[13:50] <uthng> cpaelzer: I found it. There is a "bug" in do-release-upgrade
[13:51] <uthng> in the cache phase, the script does not handle proxy ! It use proxy param laters
[13:51] <uthng> I have just hacked the script and all work now
[13:51] <nejm> tomreyn: if I type nslookup ubuntu.com I get 'Non-authoritative answer:' and the browser won't load
[13:52] <tomreyn> nejm: getting a non-authoritative answer is fine. do you get to resolve it, though?
[13:52] <nejm> tomreyn: how do I test that?
[13:53] <tomreyn> i.e. does "nslookup ubuntu.com" retunr an ip address?
[13:53] <nejm> ah yes, it does
[13:53] <tomreyn> nejm: can you show the output it generates, using this:
[13:53] <tomreyn> !pastebin | nejm
[13:54] <nejm> ehm, I cannot reach paste.ubuntu.com... Shall I pm it?
[13:54] <tomreyn> good point, sorry
[13:55] <nejm> !pastebinit
[13:55] <nejm> :~$ nslookup
[13:55] <nejm> > ubuntu.com
[13:55] <nejm> Server:		127.0.1.1
[13:55] <nejm> Address:	127.0.1.1#53
[13:55] <nejm> Non-authoritative answer:
[13:55] <nejm> Name:	ubuntu.com
[13:55] <tomreyn> nejm: too much output. please dont paste multi-line texts to the channel.
[13:55] <MadPsy> maybe better doing 'dig +short ubuntu.com'
[13:56] <tomreyn> what does "nslookup ubuntu.com" return for "Address"?
[13:56] <nejm> 91.189.94.40
[13:56] <tomreyn> so name resolution works for this hostname.
[13:57] <tomreyn> can you ping it? ping ubuntu.com
[13:57] <tomreyn> press ctrl. after a while
[13:57] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c after a while
[13:57] <nejm> tomreyn: ping: unknown host ubuntu.com
[13:58] <tomreyn> nejm: okay so your glibc resolver is not working correctly for some reason.
[13:59] <nejm> the weird thing is that nslookup ubuntu.com suddenly gives me this: ** server can't find ubuntu.com: REFUSED
[13:59] <blackflow> nejm: does "systemd-resolve ubuntu.com" return an address?
[14:00] <nejm> blackflow: it also says the connection is refused
[14:00] <blackflow> nejm: that IP, that nslookup returned, that's for Server:    line?
[14:01] <nejm> blackflow: no, it was the Address: line
[14:01] <blackflow> nejm: and what's in the Server line?
[14:01] <nejm> Server: gave me 127.0.1.1
[14:01] <nejm> this is the same address as the one in /etc/resolv.conf
[14:02] <nejm> this is supposed to be my DNS server right?
[14:02] <blackflow> nejm: yes, so next question, is that dhcp and is dhcp setting upstream NS resolver?
[14:03] <nejm> blackflow: I don't really understand your question, what is dhcp? It is similar to DNS right?
[14:03] <nejm> I'm sorry but I know very little about networking...
[14:04] <tomreyn> nejm: do you manage your internet connection using network manager, the little icon on your desktop's panel which ubuntu provides?
[14:04] <nejm> tomreyn: No, I didn't use any GUI I believe
[14:04] <blackflow> nejm: wait, I'm looking up how to push systemd-resolved into debug log level so you can pastebin that...
[14:05] <nejm> blackflow: I cannot reach the pastebin website, the best I could do now is to send it to you personally
[14:05] <tomreyn> pastebin won't work for him without name resolution, though
[14:05] <nejm> yes exactly
[14:06] <nejm> and !pastebinit doesn't work for me either, I just got muted for accidentaly posting multiple lines xD
[14:06] <blackflow> you can force a temporary ns, put    nameserver 8.8.8.8  into /etc/resolv.conf
[14:07] <tomreyn> this should work (termbin.com): echo test | nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[14:07] <nejm> blackflow: ah yes of course
[14:07] <nejm> I can pastebin again
[14:07] <tomreyn> eidting resolv.conf will make it difficult to debug this issue.
[14:08] <tomreyn> editing /etc/hosts is probably a better approach
[14:08] <nejm> tomreyn: I can replace 8.8.8.8 back to 127.0.1.1 again if that is necessary
[14:09] <nejm> that was the address in /etc/resolv.conf at boot
[14:09] <nejm> blackflow: What output did you want me to post again?
[14:10] <blackflow> nejm: first, stop the resolver,   "sudo systemctl stop systemd-resolved"
[14:11] <nejm> blackflow: I did, and then?
[14:11] <nejm> I also changed /etc/resolv.conf back to the original address btw
[14:12] <nejm> but I can change it to 8.8.8.8 again in order to paste it
[14:12] <blackflow> nejm: then run it like this   "sudo SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug /lib/systemd/systemd-resolved"     note: this will produce a lot of output in your terminal
[14:12] <blackflow> nejm: yes, comment out that nameserver entry for the test
[14:12] <nejm> blackflow: shall I pipe it in less then?
[14:13] <blackflow> nejm: no need, the idea is to try eg "ping ubuntu.com" in another terminal and see what errors will systemd-resolved produce
[14:13] <blackflow> nejm: if that's inconvenient, you can force that SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL on the systemd-resolved unit file and use journalctl to output to a file that you can pastebin
[14:14] <nejm> ping says unknown host ubuntu.com
[14:15] <blackflow> right, and that first terminal, where you run systemd-resolved, should show you how the resolution went, which IP was queried and what the response was
[14:15] <mmlj4> anyone got complaints about a chromebook?
[14:16] <nejm> blackflow: this is the output from the first command you gave me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664088/
[14:16] <ikonia> mmlj4: not really anything to do with ubuntu
[14:16] <mmlj4> correct
[14:16] <ikonia> so not really anything to do with this channel
[14:18] <rhagu> Hi, I gave specific permissions to two testfiles and logged in as one of the two users, I cannot read the file, but I can move it, is this supposed to be possible? https://paste.ubuntu.com/23664095/
[14:20] <nejm> blackflow: Do you have any idea what could be wrong?
[14:21] <wafflejock> rhagu, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20948946/permissions-required-to-move-file-to-different-directory-in-unix-linux
[14:22] <jeystm> Hello guys, I am considering the options I 've got about encrypting a whole (new) partition. The current setup I have is an installation of ubuntu 16.04.1 on 2 different partitions (one for / and another for /home which was encrypted during the installation process) along with 1 partition for swap and another empty (the one that I want to encrypt). What are your suggestions about the way should I proceed?
[14:23] <jeystm> Right now I am considering about using dm-crypt to encrypt the whole partition, are there any other considerations, serious options as alternatives?
[14:23] <blackflow> nejm: sorry I was on the phone, I need that output, but when you hit "ping ubuntu.com" in the other terminal
[14:23] <blackflow> nejm: I wanted to see what the resolver will say about resolving ubuntu.com
[14:23] <mukluks> jeystm: it depends on what you want to achieve by using encryption
[14:24] <blackflow> nejm: although I'm suspecting that what's going on is your upstream DNS resolver is misconfigured if it returns REFUSED when asked for ubuntu.com
[14:24] <jeystm> I am using a laptop, so I want every data on it would be encrypted in case of theft or anything similar.
[14:24] <rhagu> wafflejock, so my mistake was to try it in the same directory, right?
[14:24] <blackflow> jeystm: I always encrypt my roots. primarily in case the drives get stolen
[14:25] <wafflejock> rhagu, well basically permissions of doing things with the files in a directory is based on the directory permissions
[14:25] <mukluks> my advice: encrypt everything, because anything unencrypted can be used against you [logs, libraries, tools, configuration options]
[14:25] <jeystm> With security first in my mind, but also usability as I want to be the files on the new encrypted partition seem like a true mounted partition
[14:25] <nejm> blackflow: haha I altready thought you were busy or something, the command 'nslookup ubuntu.com' indeed gives refused
[14:25] <blackflow> jeystm: simplest thing is encrypt root and be done with it. the installer can do it, you need separate /boot, and a LUKS container partition, inside which you'll either do single root, or run LVM to have multiple partitioning capabilities of the encrypted space
[14:26] <jeystm> So whats the way you suggest I should go?
[14:26] <nejm> blackflow: ping simply cannot reach ubuntu.com
[14:26] <jeystm> oh right
[14:26] <mukluks> jeystm: simplest way: fresh install of ubuntu, full encryption
[14:26] <blackflow> nejm: and systemd-resolved is listing exactly what it does to get the addr of ubuntu.com so can you pastebin that?
[14:26] <CoderEurope> https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hv8QyxmJ5Sl "VirtualBox"
[14:26] <nejm> blackflow: just systemd-resolved?
[14:26] <nejm> I mean as command?
[14:27] <jeystm> Why encrypting / is so crucial tho? Are there only system files saved in / ?
[14:27] <blackflow> nejm: no, you need that SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug environment variable
[14:27] <mukluks> jeystm: i'll say this again: my advice: encrypt everything, because anything unencrypted can be used against you [logs, libraries, tools, configuration options]
[14:27] <nejm> blackflow: I just sent it, the url is http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664088/
[14:28] <blackflow> nejm: yes but I need its output when you run ping ubuntu.com in another terminal
[14:28] <blackflow> is this it?
[14:28] <blackflow> I see no "ubuntu.com" queried in that output
[14:28] <mukluks> jeystm: having openvpn installed is a crime in some countries - an encrypted home directory isn't going to help you there
[14:28] <jeystm> What about affected performance, since my laptop isnt so strong? There will be hassles? It has only a B960 2-core
[14:29] <ikonia> jgabor: there is overhead at encypt/decrypt time
[14:29] <nejm> blackflow: so I have to ping in one terminal and at the same time run that large command you gave me in another?
[14:29] <mukluks> jeystm: performance will be worse when using encryption, this is correct
[14:29] <blackflow> nejm: first you run that large command, it starts the resolver "manually" so you can observe whats' going on. then in another window you ping ubuntu.com, then you check in that first window the output about resolving ubuntu.com
[14:29] <jeystm> yeah thats what I thought.
[14:30] <nejm> blackflow: aaaaah I see
[14:30] <blackflow> nejm: and all that while the default "systemd-resolved" service is stopped of course
[14:30] <jeystm> to be honest mukluks I really care about personal stuff, not so much about configs or system logs
[14:30] <nejm> I already stopped that service a while ago
[14:30] <nejm> blackflow: I'll stop it again just to be shure
[14:31] <mukluks> jeystm: don't underestimate the privacy risks of not protecting your metadata
[14:31] <tomreyn> jeystm: full disk encryption will not slow things much on modern systems, especially with the 'aes'(-ni) cpu flag and with an ssd. you can use the dmcrypt benchmark option to check which encryption mechanism is best suited for your system.
[14:31] <mukluks> but hey, if you cared about privacy that much we'd be discussing this in #qubes
[14:31] <jeystm> I don't and I see your point, you are very right about it.
[14:32] <jeystm> tomreyn I am using a laptop with a Pentium B960 2-core along with a 5400rpm HDD, full disk encryption won
[14:32] <jeystm> wont slow it?
[14:33] <ikonia> jeystm: why do you want encyption
[14:33] <ikonia> genuine question
[14:33] <jeystm> I already answered
[14:33] <ikonia> what are you trying to protect that is "that" secret
[14:33] <blackflow> jeystm: note, "full disk encryption" usually means encrypting /boot as well. that's a manual process, the installer can't doing on its own afaik
[14:33] <ikonia> sorry - I missed that answer, what is it ?
[14:33] <nejm> blackflow: It is very weird but all of a sudded pinging works, the debug output does not change, do I need to stop the pinging?
[14:33] <jeystm> its a laptop with a lot of travel going on, I want my personal stuff stay so in case of a theft
[14:33] <tomreyn> jeystm: sure, it will slow it in every configuration. in your case it will likely be quite noticeable.
[14:33] <blackflow> nejm: yes, you just needed first few packets to get the resolving
[14:33] <ikonia> jeystm: so just encypt a directory instead ?
[14:34] <ikonia> jeystm: and being honest (I don't know - I'm asking) is your personal stuff needing that level of protection
[14:34] <jeystm> Thats actually why I am discussing it, if they werent I wouldnt be here
[14:34] <blackflow> nejm: so then revert back to running systemd-resolved as a service. close that big command down (Ctrl-C) and systemctl start systemd-resolved.     does resolving ubuntu.com work now?
[14:35] <jeystm> I think encryption is fundamental and should be everywhere. I know there would be compromises such as performance for instance, thats why I want your opinions about it
[14:35] <blackflow> if you have ANY personal data on those drives, mails, documents, anything, it's worth encrypting
[14:35] <blackflow> even the browser cache is worth encrypting
[14:35] <jeystm> I couldn't agree more with blackflow
[14:35] <blackflow> so basically, unless you're using your computer in kiosk mode with zero personal things going on, encrypt it.
[14:36] <ikonia> nah
[14:37] <jeystm> blackflow what about creating a large veractypt file vault, lets say about 400GB (instead of partition) and decrypt it every time I log on and have it mounted permanently?
[14:37] <blackflow> there was a research on personal data leaked through re-sold drives on ebay and friends. it's apaling what you can find there.
[14:37] <ikonia> jeystm: how much data ar eyou actually trying to protect here ?
[14:37] <blackflow> jeystm: no idea. I always do luks based encrypted root, lately even FDE with encrypted /boot.
[14:37] <nejm> blackflow: I used sudo service systemd-resolved start because systemctl didn't work, and I test resolution by 'nslookup ubuntu.com' right?
[14:38] <jeystm> Ideally I would like every partition except / to be encrypted. But I guess I could narrow down the files that I ll keep in the
[14:38] <jeystm> "vault"
[14:38] <blackflow> nejm: systemctl didn't work? are you sure? it has no output
[14:38] <ikonia> jeystm: every partition ?
[14:38] <ikonia> jeystm: how many partitions do you have
[14:38] <jeystm> "Hello guys, I am considering the options I 've got about encrypting a whole (new) partition. The current setup I have is an installation of ubuntu 16.04.1 on 2 different partitions (one for / and another for /home which was encrypted during the installation process) along with 1 partition for swap and another empty (the one that I want to encrypt). What are your suggestions about the way should I proceed?"
[14:39]  * DArqueBishop shrugs.
[14:39] <CoderEurope> Hiya, sorry I am new to VirtualBox - just trying to get it installed for derivatives & I got this screenshot for a Beta image last time: https://imgur.com/r/VirtualBox/BPWYBXu Do I need to install 'VirtualBox' Extensions ? If So = how ?
[14:39] <nejm> blackflow: it gave me a pop-up and "Failed to start systemd-resolved.service: Connection timed out"
[14:39] <ikonia> jeystm: so you even want to encypt an empty partition ?
[14:39] <nejm> I'll try it again
[14:39] <jeystm> the size of the disk is 1TB, the 3 partitions take up something about 100GB the rest is left for the new partition
[14:39] <jeystm> any empty partition that would be filled soon with my personal stuff
[14:40] <ikonia> jeystm: would it not be easier to just keep your data on /home and just encypt /home
[14:40] <ikonia> rahter than make it more complex
[14:40] <ikonia> and less work to decrypt and manage
[14:40] <blackflow> nejm: do it again and then pastebin the output of     sudo journalctl -u systemd-resolved.service -n 100
[14:40] <DArqueBishop> To be fair, if it were a personal laptop used for business or a cmpany-owned laptop, there may even be legal reasons for encrypting the disk.
[14:41] <jeystm> I am not currently trusting so much ecryptfs thats the reason I turned down the option of that. but with LUKS that changes I guess
[14:41] <mukluks> There are definitely strong legal and business reasons for fully encrypting any business laptop
[14:41] <ikonia> jeystm: no matter what encyption method you are using, it just seems sensiel to encypt a single partition rather than stuff that you don't care about
[14:41] <nejm> blackflow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664211/
[14:42] <ikonia> sensible even
[14:42] <jeystm> there is another issue also
[14:42] <jeystm> I might wanna proceed in the future with dual boot, for example with Ubuntu and Fedora
[14:42] <blackflow> nejm: that's last of it?
[14:42] <blackflow> nejm: looks like it works? what does   systemctl status systemd-resolved    say?
[14:42] <ikonia> jeystm: even more reason to just do /home
[14:42] <nejm> yes, that's all
[14:43] <mukluks> jeystm: i think you need qubes
[14:43] <jeystm> using a seperate partition that constantly is encrypted and only personal stuff is in there, affects none the partitioning of future /home partitions or / or anything
[14:43] <mukluks> for several reasons
[14:43] <ikonia> jeystm: no it doesn't
[14:43] <ikonia> jeystm: just share the /home
[14:43] <ikonia> then you can partition up the disk for the other dile systems dynamic
[14:43] <ikonia> the only thing you need is the key for /home
[14:43] <jeystm> I like the idea of cubes mukluks, but as I said I am worried about my CPU role on the smoothness
[14:43] <CoderEurope> Question: sorry I am new to VirtualBox - just trying to get it installed for derivatives & I got this screenshot for a Beta image last time: https://imgur.com/r/VirtualBox/BPWYBXu Do I need to install 'VirtualBox' Extensions ? If So = how ? I could do with a hand?
[14:43] <ikonia> CoderEurope: for derivatives ?
[14:43] <nejm> blackflow: it seems OK, there is a green circle and it says it has been active for six minutes
[14:44] <blackflow> nejm: so, can you ping ubuntu.com now?
[14:44] <CoderEurope> ikonia, Need help with Virtual Box on Unity Ubuntu 16.04
[14:44] <nejm> blackflow: no... it still doesn't regonize the host...
[14:44] <mukluks> jeystm: at some point you run up against the harsh reality of encryption/segregation performance overheads and useability
[14:44] <ikonia> CoderEurope: so whats the derivative
[14:45] <jeystm> ikonia another thing I don't like so much is using my login password to a distro as encryption for everything.
[14:45] <CoderEurope> Ubuntu Mate
[14:45] <nejm> blackflow: I am so happy someone is helping me because I have no idea what is going on if I see all this output and all xD
[14:45] <jeystm> I prefer keeping some stuff seperate than other
[14:45] <ikonia> jeystm: got to be honest, you're just putting obsticals in the way of anything usable, so I suggest you just do what you want as you are changing the requirement
[14:45]  * mukluks agrees with ikonia
[14:46] <jeystm> No I don't, I am just helping you understand my feelings, thoughts and find something that feets my needs. Otherwise googling about those stuff is enought
[14:46] <jeystm> enough*
[14:46] <jeystm> thats why I came here
[14:46] <ikonia> jeystm: I don't think you want something usable
[14:46] <jeystm> fits*
[14:46] <blackflow> nejm: at this point I have no idea what's going on either, because running it manually works, but running it as a service doesn't.
[14:46] <jeystm> omg feets xD
[14:46] <CoderEurope> !VirtualBox
[14:46] <ikonia> CoderEurope: so whats the derivative
[14:46] <CoderEurope> ikonia I told you Ubuntu Mate
[14:46] <Quetzalcoatl>  codereurope: looks like a refresh issue. yes, you can try to install vbox extensions
[14:47] <jeystm> ikonia you cant accept the fact that I want to encrypt a seperate partition *alone*? is that what you are saying?
[14:47] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl:  how to do that ?
[14:47] <ikonia> CoderEurope: then what's ubuntu unity got to do with it ?
[14:47] <ikonia> jeystm: not at all
[14:47] <CoderEurope> thats the base OS
[14:47] <jeystm> and encrypt/decrypt it anytime I want?
[14:47] <jeystm> with the strong encryption algos I want to choose?
[14:47] <blackflow> nejm: one thing you can do is put   Environment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug    in the [Service]   section of    /lib/systemd/system/systemd-resolved.service
[14:48] <nermine> cc
[14:48] <jeystm> because I cant have both strong encryption and performance in that laptop, thats why I dont want my OS to depent on the encryption of the partition
[14:48] <skinux> I'm trying to run a game, but it says snd_oss.so is missing, what package do I need?
[14:48] <blackflow> nejm: that way you can use the resolver as a service, and look at debugging output (and pastebin it) via journalctl -u systemd-resolved.service
[14:48] <ikonia> jeystm: I'm saying you want to use an encyption method that doesn't stress your machine too much, gives you ability to dynamically change partitions as your needs change, has a different password than the login, will be compatible between mutliple distros, straightforward to manage and secure is not really something that you're going to get
[14:48] <blackflow> nejm: don't forget to remove that Environment=... line from that file later
[14:49] <Quetzalcoatl> codereurope: start your vm first. second from Virtual Box window select Devices menu and click on Insert Guest Additions
[14:49] <blackflow> nejm: or even better, copy that file over to /etc/systemd/system/ so you don't mess with system files directly
[14:49] <jeystm> ikonia so using dm-crypt and encrypting that given partition is not an option for example?
[14:49] <CoderEurope> okay Quetzalcoatl
[14:49] <ikonia> jeystm: thats a metadevice encyption thats not going to allow you to resize your partitions
[14:50] <jeystm> I already said I want to encrypt a specific partition only that would not be resized
[14:50] <ikonia> jeystm: yes, but that locks your partition table before / after the disk
[14:50] <ikonia> before / after the patition sorry
[14:51] <Quetzalcoatl> codereurope: then in the file manager you have to select the Guest Addition and run VBoxLinuxAddition.run
[14:51] <Skyraven> hi guys, I have a more general Linux question:)  but it is an Ubuntu that I run; I use a Juniper to scp a log to an Ubuntu machine; the result is a file that has the rights 600 for example; On the Ubuntu, I tried: changing .bashrc and setting an umask, changing the /etc/pam/sshd and setting an umask all to no avail, the file remains 0600. Anything else that I might be missing or doing wrong? Can I really not get the file to be made 
[14:52] <jeystm> thats something I didnt know :P can you elaborate some more. so i ll not be able to resize,delete and create any other partitions?
[14:52] <Quetzalcoatl> codereurope: you can do that by running the script in a terminal or by double clicking the script. you have to enter the root password which may be the same password as your current user
[14:52] <nejm> blackflow: so wait I need to add a new line with "Environment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug" to the file "/etc/systemd/system/systemd-resolved.service" right?
[14:53] <nejm> under the [Service] section?
[14:54] <ikonia> jeystm: if you have say a 300mb disk, and you have 3 x 100mb partitions, and your middle one is encypted, if you want to say make 200mb partition and your 100mb partition, you can't because the data is locked either side of the encypted partition
[14:54] <jeystm> oh I get it
[14:55] <jeystm> so after the dm-crypt encrypted partition I cannot make any change, right?
[14:55] <blackflow> nejm: yes, that will allow you to run the systemd-resolved service regularly, and still have debug output
[14:55] <ikonia> jeystm: you can but it's a LOT of effort
[14:55] <blackflow> nejm: the output will be in the journal
[14:55] <jeystm> but the previous ones I can edit them, right?
[14:55] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl: I dont know where the script is or what to type, sorry about this.
[14:56] <blackflow> nejm: so the process is similar. Add that environment var, restart systemd-resolved, try pinging ubuntu.com, check journalctl -u systemd-resolved.service
[14:56] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl: I got to the GuestAddition bit in devices.
[14:56] <Quetzalcoatl> codereurope: did the Guest additions appeared in your file manager ?
[14:56] <nejm> blackflow: there is no file  systemd-resolved.service  in /etc/systemd/system/, is that OK?
[14:57] <nejm> wow it's cursive
[14:57] <nejm> blackflow: didn't I need to copy a file or something?
[14:57] <CoderEurope> QuestionTime: Where should it 'appear' in FM ?
[14:58] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl:   Where should it 'appear' in FM ?
[14:58] <nejm> blackflow: Nah I'll just modify the systems file directly, I got a backup from yesterday in case everything goes wrong
[14:59] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl:    Brback
[14:59] <Quetzalcoatl> ok
[15:00] <Cedara> Hi,
[15:00] <n0ml> Hello. Do anyone know how to make systemd boot linearly instead of in pararell? I'm trying to troubleshoot some booting problems in Ubuntu 16.04
[15:00] <Cedara> Is there a site where folks are collecting info on what printers work with ubuntu?
[15:00] <Cedara> Cause I'd like to put in that Epson EcoTank ET-2550 works fine.
[15:00] <n0ml> Cedara: https://h-node.org/printers/catalogue/en
[15:00] <nejm> blackflow: how did I restart systemd-resolved again? normally I use sudo service x stop / sudo service x restart, but appearently systemctl is different?
[15:01] <Cedara> ta, n0ml
[15:01] <blackflow> nejm: no, the service unit file is default in systemd lib, but you can edit it directly or copy over to /etc/systemd/system and edit there (preferred, so later you can simply delete the file)
[15:01] <n0ml> Cedara: no problem my friend
[15:01] <blackflow> nejm: systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[15:02] <blackflow> nejm: obvious difference is that the verb and service name have swapped places
[15:02] <nejm> o that sounds easier than I thought xD
[15:02] <nejm> does that matter?
[15:02] <blackflow> nejm: does what matter?
[15:03] <nejm> that verb and service have swapped places?
[15:03] <nejm> *.
[15:04]  * QuestionTime was confused but figured it out 
[15:05] <CoderEurope> Quetzalcoatl: I get to this point: http://imgur.com/a/n99gK , now what ?
[15:05] <CoderEurope> it does nothing after that.
[15:06] <nejm> blackflow: I think I got it http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664269/
[15:06] <nejm> pinging in another terminal does nothing to the output
[15:07] <Quetzalcoatl> coder europe:from what i see you are running ubuntu in a vm? correct?
[15:07] <CoderEurope> yes
[15:14] <nejm> blackflow: can you make up anything from it?
[15:16] <prometheus> hiii
[15:20] <mnms_> Hi guys. Anyone tried to solve following problem "Diskfilter writes are not supported". I have tried update grub but without success?
[15:20] <nejm> blackflow: Did the paste go wrong?
[15:22] <nejm> blackflow: are you still here?
[15:25] <ikonia> mnms_: did you not ask about this yesterday ?
[15:26] <Genk1>  /msg NickServ identify linux2009
[15:27] <hateball> Genk1: probably a good idea to change password
[15:27] <mnms_> ikonia: Yes and I tried with grub update, because it should be fixed in latest grub version, but it didnt help. Other option I have is this patch so I wanted to ask maybe someone got other solution
[15:27] <ikonia> mnms_: thats not what I told you to do
[15:27] <ikonia> mnms_: what did I tell you to do to fix it ?
[15:27] <OutOfSpace> Good morning everyone
[15:28] <mnms_> ikonia: as far as I understood to create a boot partition outside lvm ?
[15:28] <ikonia> mnms_: thats right, create /boot on a mirror partition, that is just a partition, then put / and anything else you wanted inside lvm
[15:28] <ikonia> mnms_: did you do that ?
[15:29] <mnms_> ikonia: Ok I didnt know how to start with this to be honest thats why I left this apporach :)
[15:29] <skinux> How do I tell Ubuntu to automatically (by default) use WINE for launching EXEs?
[15:29] <ikonia> mnms_: so you didn't do what I told you to fix it, you've not said you didn't know and desipte me telling you how to fix it you're still asking "how do I fix it"
[15:29] <OutOfSpace> don't get angry now ikonia :)
[15:29] <ikonia> I'm not angry
[15:30] <OutOfSpace> :)
[15:30] <mnms_> ikonia: I just dont know If Im able to do that cause I allocate whole space to swap and root
[15:30] <ikonia> mnms_: ok so the questio is not "how do I fix this" the question you should be asking, is "how do I setup a mirrored boot partition outside of lvm"
[15:31] <ikonia> mnms_: I'm not trying to be rude, but you must understand how frustrating and perceived rude it is when I spend half an hour explaining your problem and how to fix it, and then I see you've not done anything I aksed and you're blindly just asking "how do I fix it"
[15:31] <mnms_> ikonia: Yes. Sorry my mistake :)
[15:31] <mnms_> ikonia: Ok I understand.
[15:31] <OutOfSpace> Can someone tell me if I will have any problems if i update my ubuntu currently running 14.04 on a Lenovo Carbon X1 gen3
[15:31] <ikonia> mnms_: it's fine, but you already know the answer, I've given it to you, so ask the question you need to know the answer to "how do I setup a seperate mirrored boot partition outside of lvm' rather than blindly "how do I fix it" you already know
[15:32] <ikonia> OutOfSpace: impossible to confirm however if you're "ok" on 14.04 you should be "ok" with updates
[15:32] <mnms_> ikonia: I think I wanted to solve it in more simple way thats way I didnt start asking about your solution. Sorry.
[15:32] <OutOfSpace> I WILL Try and update if anything goes south i can always reinstall
[15:32] <ikonia> mnms_: no need for sorry, just keep in mind the effort we want to to understand your problem and fi
[15:32] <ikonia> fix it
[15:33] <mnms_> ikonia: So how do I setup a seperate mirrored boot partition outside of lvm?
[15:33] <mnms_> If I allocated whole space
[15:33] <ikonia> mnms_: so you need to partition approx 500mb on each disk at the start,
[15:33] <ikonia> mnms_: is your whole disk running lvm currently (I don't remember)
[15:36] <mnms_> ikonia: how can I check it? fdisk will not tell me this right ?
[15:36] <mnms_> should I install pvdisplay ?
[15:37] <mnms_> ikonia: I dont use LVM at all I think
[15:39] <mnms_> ikonia: in /etc/fstab I have two entries with UUIDS
[15:48] <mnms_> ikonia: So If Im not using LVM, what option do I have? add another disk ?
[15:48] <ikonia> mnms_: what do you mean ?
[15:49] <mnms_> ikonia: From fstab I see I dont use LVM.
[15:50] <mnms_> ikonia: Can I add somehow boot parition if I dont use LVM and / take whole disk space?
[15:50] <ikonia> mnms_: are you %100 sure you are not using lvm as yesterday you said you where
[15:50] <rohanrhu> how can i downgrade ubuntu 16.10 from 17.04?
[15:50] <rohanrhu> 17.04 beta is very buggy now
[15:50] <EriC^^> rohanrhu: you can't
[15:50] <rohanrhu> :(((((
[15:50] <genii> !downgrade
[15:51] <rohanrhu> EriC^^: there is not something i can try?
[15:51] <mnms_> ikonia:   I thought RAID needs LVM, but it looks he doesnt
[15:51] <ikonia> mnms_: put your fstab in a pastebin please
[15:51] <EriC^^> rohanrhu: no idea
[15:51] <ikonia> mnms_: lets see what you see
[15:51] <ikonia> rohanrhu: just clean install
[15:51] <ikonia> rohanrhu: if you're using pre-release software there can't be anything important on it
[15:51] <ikonia> so just blat it and re-install
[15:51] <genii> rohanrhu: If you want to go back to a previous version, you need to do a complete reinstall from scratch
[15:52] <mnms_> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664469/
[15:52] <rohanrhu> :(
[15:52] <ikonia> mnms_: ok, so the easiest approach for you would be to re-install creating a seperate /boot mirror
[15:53] <ikonia> mnms_: that would be the easiest / quickest approach
[15:53] <mnms_> ikonia: And what is the other approach?
[15:54] <ikonia> you'd have to break mirrors, re-size and resync
[15:54] <mnms_> ikonia: right now my mirror is in degradated state
[15:54] <CarlFK> booted a 11.10 cd on a 686 (other cd's I have are x64)  - how can I apt-get install openssh-server?  (pretty sure 11.10 repos have been pulled, so I need.. there is a repo that has all the historic stuff right?
[15:54] <mnms_> so Im ready to go?
[15:55] <mnms_> ikonia: or what does mean breakinga mirror ?
[15:55] <ra21vi> i aam getting error trying to install qt5-default .. added ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa but somehow its not letting me install qt5-default
[15:55] <ikonia> mnms_: it means stopping the mirror between disks (as you're changing the structure)
[15:56] <mnms_> ikonia: it also means destroying the mirror for a moment ?
[15:56] <ikonia> mnms_: stopping the awareness of the other disk
[15:58] <mnms_> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664508/ this is my current raid state. Is it right state for changin structure? sdb is not added to array
[15:58] <ikonia> mnms_: that will work
[15:59] <mnms_> ikonia: How I should start, can you help me a little with it?
[16:00] <ikonia> mnms_: I'm about to leave, but basically 1.) boot from a a disk 2.) resize other disk how you want it 3.) boot from resized disk 4.) copy partition table from current disk to old disk 5.) create raid device and let data sync 6.) update grub/fstab to boot from /use raid device 7.) reboot
[16:00] <ikonia> mnms_: honestly - a reinstall will be 10 minutes work and so much easier
[16:00] <ikonia> this will take you hours
[16:01] <mnms_> ikonia: but there is a lot of services configured
[16:01] <mnms_> its really lost option...
[16:01] <mnms_> last*
[16:01] <ikonia> mnms_: back up those configs
[16:01] <ikonia> mnms_: if this has important work on it - this is a bad idea to do it on the fly
[16:01] <ikonia> I have to leave so good luck
[16:02] <mnms_> ikonia: have a nice day, bye and thanks
[16:02] <mnms_> looks complicated
[16:04] <rbo> Hi
[16:04] <coffeewater> I'm stuch
[16:04] <ra21vi> is ubuntu-sdk conflicting with qt5-default on 16.04?
[16:04] <bgray> installed 16.04 on xps 13/9350, ubuntu-restricted-extras and flash (in Firefox) is a bit choppy full screen. any tips?
[16:04] <coffeewater> whenever I make a ssh connection I am always asked for my ssh keyphrase, how do I stop this?
[16:04] <coffeewater> I have a public key
[16:08] <bgray> coffeewater: ssh-agent?
[16:08] <CoderEurope> Question: Hi there can someone please come on TeamSpeak and sort out Virtualbox for me & my derivative-virtual-disks, please ?
[16:10] <ra21vi> looks like i have messed up with ubuntu by installing intel drivers grom 01.org
[16:11] <CoderEurope> hello ?
[16:11] <ra21vi> though i uninstalled "intel-graphics installer", but the overidden packages from that repo is still present, and breaking deps for other
[16:12] <ra21vi> any help fix my system would be great... i cannot reinstall it
[16:12] <CoderEurope> I have been trying to install VirtualBox for 2 hours .
[16:12] <bgray> CoderEurope: from where?
[16:13] <leptone> does anyone know how to run a bash command that runs in the background
[16:13] <leptone> here is what im trying to do:
[16:13] <EriC^^> leptone: command &
[16:13] <tonyt> CoderEurope i cant do team speak but vbox is easy to isntall
[16:13] <leptone> EriC^^, tried that, it doesn't accomplish what im trying to achieve
[16:14] <tonyt> CoderEurope what error are you getting?
[16:14] <pavlos> leptone, do the bash command output anything ? this wont work in bg
[16:14] <pavlos> does
[16:14] <leptone> id like to: npm i <a bunch of packages this will take a while>
[16:14] <ra21vi> this is the error i am getting - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664585/
[16:14] <popey> CoderEurope: have you enabled "Enable 3d acceleration" in virtualbox settings on the host?
[16:14] <CoderEurope> I already have VirtualBox up and ruinning - I NEED to install 'extensions' to get Ubuntu Mate 16.10running on virtual disk . This is the kind of error I am getting : https://imgur.com/r/VirtualBox/BPWYBXu
[16:14] <popey> (you probably need to)
[16:14] <leptone> but have the shell give me stdin back so i can run other commands from the same shell while im waiting for those packages to install
[16:15] <CoderEurope> popey thankyou so much ... :)
[16:15] <leptone> pavlos, yes they output text
[16:15] <EriC^^> leptone: does it usually ask for confirmation?
[16:15] <leptone> EriC^^, never
[16:15] <popey> CoderEurope: http://imgur.com/a/6a3wM this option
[16:15] <popey> CoderEurope: then restart the guest
[16:15] <EriC^^> leptone: it should wok nin the background then, what happens when you try?
[16:15] <EriC^^> *work in
[16:16] <blackflow> nejm: sorry I had to be elsewhere, I'm at work
[16:16] <leptone> EriC^^, it runs like regular (output), except once its done it doesn't give me stdin back
[16:16] <blackflow> nejm: I don't see anything in that, it'd be great if you could journalctl ... > into-a-file   and then pastebin the file
[16:16] <leptone> like i need to kill it with ctrl + c to get the command line back
[16:16] <CoderEurope> popey: trying now after changes you opted for :)
[16:17] <leptone> EriC^^, ^
[16:18] <EriC^^> leptone: it should give you stdin back immediately
[16:18] <leptone> EriC^^, it doesn't
[16:18] <EriC^^> npm i package &
[16:18] <EriC^^> it should show like [1] <number>
[16:18] <EriC^^> and give you the shell back
[16:19] <EriC^^> paste the stuff you get in a pastebin
[16:19] <CoderEurope> popey, Sorry should I 'try' or 'install' for permenant testing of Ubuntu Mate 16.10 ? not sure (looking nifty thou :) )
[16:20] <leptone> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23664601/
[16:21] <pavlos> leptone, sleep 10 & should sleep for 10 seconds and come back. It should give you [1] PID and back to your prompt. In 10 seconds, it will print [1]+ Done
[16:21] <leptone> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23664604/
[16:21] <EriC^^> leptone: ok, so it's giving you stdin back but it keeps outputting stuff
[16:21] <leptone> EriC^^, no it is not giving stdin
[16:21] <EriC^^> leptone: try with npm i package >/dev/null 2>&1 &
[16:21] <leptone> well i can do Ctrl + c
[16:21] <ra21vi> i am getting this error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664585/    help??
[16:21] <leptone> oh i guess i can type
[16:22] <leptone> hmmm
[16:22] <leptone> EriC^^, ok so i guess im asking how do i silence the output, maybe?
[16:22] <EriC^^> leptone: yes, that command will silence the output
[16:23] <leptone> EriC^^, what's up with the null? is that a keyword bash understands?
[16:23] <EriC^^> leptone: it's file in the system that whatever goes to, disappears
[16:23] <CoderEurope> popey did you get that ? (look up)
[16:23] <EriC^^> like a tiny blackhole
[16:23] <leptone> EriC^^, so ill be creating it?
[16:24] <leptone> its just a text file
[16:24] <leptone> ?
[16:24] <EriC^^> leptone: no, it's already there
[16:24] <cathal> \quit
[16:24] <leptone> EriC^^, ok thx
[16:24] <cathal> \part
[16:25] <leptone> whats with the > 1 &
[16:25] <EriC^^> > redirects stdout to /dev/null and 2> redirects stderr to &1 (which means whatever stdout is, so /dev/null too)
[16:25] <leptone> shouldnt it just be: npm i > /dev/null &
[16:25] <EriC^^> no, that'll just redirect stdout, it'll keep giving stderr
[16:26] <joker_> hi
[16:26] <leptone> EriC^^, why are theyre errors in the first place
[16:26] <EriC^^> leptone: there aren't
[16:26] <popey> CoderEurope: sorry, laptop got stolen by wife.. use install if you want to install it in a vm
[16:26] <joker_> hi
[16:27] <EriC^^> just in case it sends any
[16:27] <joker_> i have error in mysql
[16:27] <EriC^^> leptone: you can do without the 2>&1 that way if it gives an error you can still see the message
[16:27] <EriC^^> if you want it completely silent for whatever reason you can use it
[16:27] <n0ml> We are having the following issue with Ubuntu 16.04: Boot is interrupted half way and reboots suddlenly. We have tried different debian based distros and get the same problem. Only freebsd seems to boot Ok...
[16:27] <CoderEurope> popey, no worries = I am in ! have a wonderous chrimbo ! sorry i couldnt get you anything off your wishlist n'all. Maybe next year !
[16:28] <ra21vi> guys, how can i fix this dependency problem - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664630/
[16:29] <vento> hello
[16:29] <vento> ubuntu user from china
[16:31] <Antares> grep -rl eiskaltdcpp ~/skylitedcpp-3.0.0/ | xargs perl -p -i -e 's/eiskaltdcpp/skylitedcpp/g'
[16:31] <Antares> creating *.bak files
[16:31] <Antares> hau dont craet he
[16:32] <L1N3X> QUEM BR Ł
[16:33] <L1N3X> TEM BR AI
[16:33] <L1N3X> NUNCA ENTREI NO IRQ
[16:33] <pavlos> what language?
[16:33] <L1N3X> QUEM PODE ME FALA COMO FUNCIONA
[16:34] <pavlos> !es
[16:34] <genii> !br
[16:34] <L1N3X> IAE GENII
[16:36] <acresearch> people, i have ubuntu 16.04, i am trying to use VIM, but it seems it have a different command structure? when i press the arrow keys it writes capital D and i cannot delete in insert mode. what changed?
[16:36] <Random832> acresearch, are you running it as "vim" or "vi"?
[16:36] <acresearch> Random832: vi
[16:36] <acresearch> Random832: are they different?
[16:37] <Random832> when you run "vi" it runs by default in compatibility mode, which (among other things) disables an option that allows arrow keys to work in insert mode
[16:37] <acresearch> Random832: hmmm, has this always been in ubuntu?
[16:37] <Random832> yeah - you might not have noticed if you had a .vimrc file or were running as 'vim' before
[16:38] <acresearch> Random832: i have always used vim on cluster computers, but when i started in ubuntu i found this issue, what should i do?
[16:38] <SwedeMike> acresearch: I can replicate your result anyway, "vi" on 16.04 behaves like classic "vi" and not like "vim"
[16:38] <acresearch> SwedeMike: oh
[16:38] <SwedeMike> acresearch: you should install "vim" and use "vim" instead of "vi".
[16:38] <Random832> it also depends on whether you have full vim installed or vim-tiny
[16:38] <acresearch> SwedeMike: does ubuntu 16.10 have the same issue?
[16:39] <SwedeMike> acresearch: I have no diea.
[16:39] <SwedeMike> idea
[16:39] <SwedeMike> since I am grown up with classic "vi", I tend to go in and out of edit mode all the time, so I don't notice.
[16:39] <ra21vi> i am getting this error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664585/    help??
[16:39] <n0ml> acresearch: Debian will use vim if vim is installed even if you try to run vi
[16:39] <SwedeMike> I am so old, I even know how to move around without cursor keys.
[16:39] <acresearch> n0ml: hmmmm i see
[16:40] <acresearch> SwedeMike: can you elaborate on edite mode? i am still new to vim
[16:41] <nacc> n0ml: you can change the alternative, iirc
[16:41] <n0ml> acresearch: vim works in a different way to most other editors, it would be more helpful to you if you follow a introductory guide, as there are a few quirks and things you need to learn
[16:41] <n0ml> nacc: yeah, I know. What I meant is that the alternative is set by default.
[16:41] <SwedeMike> acresearch: https://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/vi.html
[16:43] <gallomimia> right. so i managed to get myself some PDF files... books, magazines, etc. Some are just fine, but some have strange formatting errors, characters missing... symbols in place of what should be words. how can i fix this? maybe a better viewer program, or installing fonts?
[16:45] <ra21vi> would appreciate if someone help me fix this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664585/
[16:45] <n0ml> gallomimia: what viewer are you using?
[16:45] <ra21vi> i am stuck
[16:45] <gallomimia> i actually have no idea. i just doubleclick
[16:45] <gallomimia> i think it's.... atril ?
[16:45] <wafflejock> gallomimia, check in the help-> about typically in there
[16:45] <gallomimia> i should mention that i have a copy of ubuntu-mate installed
[16:45] <nacc> ra21vi: seems unrelated to the purge command? do you get that output with `sudo apt-get -f install` as well?
[16:46] <gallomimia> hey! atril it is yep
[16:46] <ra21vi> nacc, getting - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:46] <wafflejock> gallomimia, you can try evince think it's the default for regular Ubuntu or grab adobe reader I suppose, not sure if adobe reader is in the repos or not though will check
[16:47] <nacc> ra21vi: can you pastebin `apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx libqt5multimedia5-plugins libqgsttools-p1`. Also what version of ubuntu?
[16:47] <gallomimia> thanks for the info. not particularly fond of the official reader
[16:47] <wafflejock> gallomimia, okay yeah here are some options http://askubuntu.com/questions/18495/which-pdf-viewer-would-you-recommend
[16:48] <gallomimia> that thar's the best place for me i think
[16:48] <gallomimia> ty
[16:48] <wafflejock> gallomimia, looks like the adobe one is in a different repo you'd have to add to install it with the package manager or software center or whatever
[16:48] <wafflejock> no prob
[16:48] <ra21vi> nacc, i suspect, the problem is once I installed intel graphics from 01.org.. then removed its tool after few days of no success with graphics.. but while I installed, it updated lots of packages with *-intel-xxx type versions... overriding those in default repo...
[16:48] <nacc> ra21vi: yes, that's probably the case, you'll need to purge their repository correctly (it's not just a matter of removing the repository)
[16:49] <ra21vi> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664710/
[16:50] <nacc> ra21vi: right, so you have a intel specific version of libgl1-mesa-glx
[16:50] <nacc> ra21vi: i would suggest installing the ubuntu version
[16:50] <nacc> ra21vi: iirc, apt install libgl1-mesa-glx=11.2.0-1ubuntu2.2
[16:50] <ra21vi> nacc, i tried install --reinstall, it failed too
[16:51] <gallomimia> this is pretty gross. the state of PDF viewing on linux makes penguin tears freeze.
[16:51] <nacc> ra21vi: right, that will just reinstall the *current* version, which is the intel one
[16:51] <nacc> ra21vi: you need to install the ubuntu version
[16:52] <ra21vi> nacc, tried above command, failed too ... - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664720/
[16:52] <ra21vi> nacc, same error
[16:53] <ra21vi> nacc, i am on 16.04
[16:53] <n0ml> gallomimia: you can try other viewers like xpdf or mupdf (I like mupdf but you need to run it from the command line)
[16:53] <gallomimia> wafflejock: evince and atril both have missing characters in the exact same spot. going to try more
[16:53] <gallomimia> i'm not afraid of having to use command line
[16:54] <gallomimia> i usually prefer it
[16:54] <gallomimia> but i'm starting to lean on the idea of missing fonts and the like
[16:55] <uxfi> hey all
[16:55] <gallomimia> morning
[16:55] <n0ml> gallomimia: get mupdf, it's super fast
[16:56] <uxfi> good morning gallomimia
[16:56] <gallomimia> long time no see i guess
[16:56] <uxfi> oh right hehe
[16:56] <uxfi> ling time
[16:56] <uxfi> how are u
[16:56] <uxfi> long**
[16:56] <gallomimia> meh
[16:56] <uxfi> same here
[16:56] <gallomimia> better i guess
[16:56] <uxfi> staying warm..
[16:56] <gallomimia> my free amazon slice got shut down so i went without IRC for awhile. moved my bouncer into my desktop
[16:57] <gallomimia> warm? hah. no. i have a job that involves snow removal during the worst of weather
[17:00] <ra21vi> nacc, any idea what to do now
[17:00] <nicomachus> ew
[17:00] <nicomachus> !ot | all
[17:00] <OutOfSpace> Can someone help me fix my fingerprint scanner
[17:00] <OutOfSpace> ccarbon x1 gen 3
[17:00] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: depends. what's the problem?
[17:00] <OutOfSpace> its not installed
[17:01] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: does it show up under lspci?
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> an article online suggests that i simply install it with sudo apt-get install fprintd fingerprint-gui
[17:01] <nicomachus> and did you try that?
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> yeah
[17:01] <nicomachus> and it didn't work?
[17:01] <nacc> ra21vi: someone has been e-mailing the ubuntu-devel list, iirc, for modifying ppa-purge to support removing arbitrary repositories (and all packages they provide)
[17:01] <gallomimia> "it" what do you mean by its not installed?
[17:01] <OutOfSpace>  sudo apt-get install fprintd fingerprint-gui
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> Reading package lists... Done
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> Building dependency tree
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> Reading state information... Done
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> E: Unable to locate package fingerprint-gui
[17:01] <OutOfSpace> radi@Carbonated:~$
[17:01] <gallomimia> !paste
[17:03] <gallomimia> OutOfSpace: what exactly do you figure you need to "install" ?
[17:03] <OutOfSpace> a fingerptint sensor
[17:03] <gallomimia> well, better go buy one then?
[17:03] <OutOfSpace> its on my laptop
[17:03] <OutOfSpace> already there
[17:04] <nacc> ra21vi: you might be able to try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/343390/how-to-remove-intels-open-source-technology-center-driver
[17:04] <gallomimia> now we're getting somewhere. we need a LOT more info. please be more concise when answering questions
[17:04] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: you just need the driver for it.
[17:04] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: as I asked already: does it show up under lspci?
[17:04] <gallomimia> go back to where someone was asking you if the device is detected or not
[17:04] <gallomimia> yes
[17:06] <OutOfSpace> nicomachus: no it does not when i type LSPCI in console
[17:06] <pavlos> OutOfSpace, do you know how to pastebin? iso so, gives us the result of lspci | pastebinit
[17:06] <pavlos> if
[17:06] <nicomachus> better to use ' lspci | nc termbin 9999 ' since pastebinit is not likely installed
[17:07] <nicomachus> errr... that's not right. forget it.
[17:07] <OutOfSpace> nicomachus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664799/
[17:08] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: sudo lshw | pastebinit
[17:08] <howarth> lirc has to be the most obtuse software ever created
[17:09] <howarth> I a MacBook Pro 2,1 reporting keystrokes via 'irw'
[17:09] <gallomimia> nicomachus, OutOfSpace: looks like there's no fp sensor on that list. probably on USB. try lsusb
[17:09] <howarth> 0000000087ee810b 00 KEY_VOLUMEUP Apple_A1156
[17:09] <OutOfSpace> nicomachus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23664833/
[17:09] <nicomachus> gallomimia: that's why I went with lshw. it should be listed on there _somewhere_
[17:10] <gallomimia> here we go
[17:10] <howarth> but no configuration of .lircrc seems to work with either irxevent or irevent
[17:11] <gallomimia> i don't see it there either :/
[17:11] <nicomachus> this is what we're looking for, gallomimia OutOfSpace: https://certification.ubuntu.com/catalog/component/usb/4222/138a%3A0017/
[17:11] <gallomimia> doesn't show any webcam on the laptop either?
[17:11] <howarth> .lircrc is http://pastebin.com/88btZeUM
[17:12] <OutOfSpace> but i do have one
[17:12] <gallomimia> does it work?
[17:12] <OutOfSpace> nicomachus: https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201411-16196/
[17:12] <OutOfSpace> this is what i have
[17:12] <oldboot> join #kali-linux
[17:13] <OutOfSpace> gallomimia: did not try yet... just installed ubuntu last night
[17:13] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: may want to try this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fprint
[17:13] <nicomachus> is that the one you had tried before?
[17:13] <howarth> the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf is http://pastebin.com/3KcKQRwt
[17:14] <gallomimia> OutOfSpace, nicomachus, that page linked with the hardware for the laptop, has the fp sensor, 3rd from the bottom
[17:14] <gallomimia> also shows the webcam details
[17:14] <OutOfSpace> yeah it does
[17:14] <OutOfSpace> maybe i installed the wrong version
[17:14] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: try that PPA.
[17:15] <nicomachus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fingerprint/fprint
[17:15] <nicomachus> sudo apt update
[17:15] <nicomachus> sudo apt install fprint
[17:15] <howarth> I don't think I've ever seen a program with so many layers of various permutations for configuring it, half of which are long deprecated but still advertised in the documentation as current
[17:15] <OutOfSpace> i followed ths article http://chrisjrob.com/2015/10/09/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-gen-3/
[17:15] <OutOfSpace> doing it now
[17:16] <gallomimia> howarth: its probably not the best time to tell you this is the IRC channel for ubuntu, not lirc. probably all the silence you've been greeted with is because everyone else already tried configuring lirc and then ended up using whatever client they are on now instead.
[17:16] <ded_sec> hello everyone
[17:16] <Fred> hi
[17:16] <Guest25764> NIS Guys here
[17:16] <Guest25764> NIS guys here
[17:17] <OutOfSpace> nicomachus: E: unable to locate package fprint
[17:17] <gallomimia> OutOfSpace: https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fprint this page has all kinds of instructions on testing your reader to see if its supported. there's a big list, so it's probably just fine
[17:17] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: did you apt update?
[17:17] <OutOfSpace> and i did install and update
[17:17] <pavlos> fprintd
[17:17] <OutOfSpace> yes i did
[17:17] <nacc> OutOfSpace: what version of ubuntu?
[17:17] <gallomimia> libfprint0
[17:17] <OutOfSpace> 14.04 LTS
[17:17] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace: ok. one sec. the page didn't list the package name so fprint was a guest.
[17:18] <nicomachus> pavlos: this is a PPA replacement of fprintd
[17:18] <nacc> fprintd is int he repositoriies
[17:18] <nacc> you don't need a ppa for it
[17:18] <pavlos> oh
[17:18] <nacc> !info fprintd trusty
[17:18] <nacc> you do for *precise*, hence the ppa
[17:18] <nacc> that's my reading of the ppa, at least
[17:18] <nicomachus> nacc: the PPA has a wider support range.
[17:18] <nicomachus> OutOfSpace:      sudo apt-get install libfprint0 fprint-demo libpam-fprintd gksu-polkit
[17:19] <nacc> nicomachus: only speaking to fprintd itself
[17:19] <gallomimia> er, not related to your support question, but OutOfSpace if you just installed this ubuntu yesterday, why'd you pick one that's 2.5 years old?
[17:20] <OutOfSpace> because this is the version that manufactorer recoomends and also many ppl online that have the same laptop suggest this version
[17:20] <gallomimia> good enough reason
[17:20] <nacc> nicomachus: i would suggest installing the correct packages from the archives *first*, then seeing if the ppa is really necessary
[17:20] <gallomimia> and....
[17:20] <FrogCast> When I ls in an empty directory, is it possible to make it return "false" instead of nothing at all?
[17:20] <gallomimia> a manufacturer recommends a version of UBUNTU???
[17:20] <nacc> it should only be needed, if OutOfSpace's hardware isn't supported by the archive packages
[17:20] <nicomachus> nacc: he did that.
[17:20] <gallomimia> that's *GREAT!*
[17:20] <nacc> nicomachus: did they? the paste they provided earlier had them installing one package that didn't exist
[17:20] <nicomachus> gallomimia: Lenovo has been doing that for a long time.
[17:20] <nacc> fingerprint-gui
[17:20] <howarth> on the other hand, since every distro seems to configure their lirc files slightly differently, I can imagine getting upstream to be helpful would be just as problematic
[17:21] <howarth> as they will just blame ubuntu for shipping lirc in a confused state
[17:21] <nacc> FrogCast: no, not in bash
[17:21] <FrogCast> nacc, :O
[17:21] <gallomimia> howarth: you're probably right on that note. i find ubuntu to be notorious for mucking around where programs and support thinks your config files would be
[17:21] <nicomachus> FrogCast: you could always ask in ##bash to see if there's a way to hack it together.
[17:22] <FrogCast> !cookie | nicomachus
[17:22] <FrogCast> will do that
[17:22] <FrogCast> thanks
[17:22] <nacc> FrogCast: you could write a trivial wrapper that did taht, but i think yu're misunderstanding what return values in the shell are
[17:22] <gallomimia> FrogCast: there's a few options in ls that can make it output something besides nothing for an empty dir
[17:22] <howarth> even the existing ubuntu documentation for configuring lirc seems to refer to some prior filesystem setup
[17:22] <howarth> certainly per-systemd
[17:22] <gallomimia> true. it technically did return false.
[17:23] <howarth> what is annoying is that I seem to be almost there
[17:23] <nacc> FrogCast: in bash, any non-zero value evaluates to false, iirc
[17:23] <howarth> in that 'irw' is properly registering the remote keys
[17:23] <gallomimia> config files are a pretty sore spot for me. there's lot of things that we can call "broken" in the world of linux, or not quite finished being fixed, or incomplete, or or or. but the location of config files is one of the worst
[17:23] <nacc> gallomimia: how do you mean?
[17:23] <howarth> but I don''t seem able to get a .lircrc that will transmit them to the desired programs
[17:23] <nacc> gallomimia: as in what location do you think is the 'worst'?
[17:23] <gallomimia> nacc: zero is false. numbers are true
[17:24] <nacc> gallomimia: not in bash
[17:24] <FrogCast> nacc, I just need something to read though.
[17:24] <gallomimia> ah. if it was ONE location.... 'worst' wouldn't apply
[17:24] <nacc> gallomimia: fine, what 'locations' do you think are the worst?
[17:24] <gallomimia> but... no one seems to agree on where it should be
[17:24] <nacc> gallomimia: it's application specific, if that's what you mean?
[17:24] <howarth> one confusing bit though is why did ubuntu deprecate hal and thus gnome-lirc-properties?
[17:25] <gallomimia> you'd have to give me the same amount of time as it takes to write and defend a masters degree if you want the answer to that
[17:25] <dnssoul> 70 hours unerasable at last database
[17:25] <nacc> howarth: i believe it was deprecated upstream not by ubuntu, at least
[17:26] <howarth> they don't seem to be very big on announcing where major packages are deprecated out, why and what the replacement is supposed to be
[17:26] <nacc> howarth: there were no reverse dependencies in ubuntu when the package was deleted
[17:26] <dnssoul> ME
[17:26] <nacc> howarth: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+publishinghistory (and it was done in 2013....)
[17:27] <howarth> so then there is no gnome-lirc-properties replacement to help automate the lirc setup anymore
[17:27] <EriC^^> !aptcd
[17:27] <dnssoul> if its possible in USA is it right/wrong ?  -- GRUB TWO 908076509804309809706095-4-000-01 Jan 12, 1955
[17:27] <genii> !offline
[17:28] <howarth> My current setup only works because I reinstall lirc lirc-x and selected the macmini remote from the pre-inst dialog
[17:28] <howarth> not particularly user friendly for post installation configuration
[17:30] <nacc> howarth:  you probably could get to that via dpkg-reconfigure
[17:30] <EriC^^> genii: thank you
[17:30] <howarth> How tightly coupled is Ubuntu and Debian these days?
[17:30] <nacc> howarth: ubuntu derives most packages from debian
[17:30] <nacc> howarth: not necessarily all, but most
[17:30] <howarth> Do their configuration documentation tend to track that of Debian Jessie at this point/
[17:31] <nacc> howarth: well it'd be, typically, what was in unstable at the time of release
[17:31] <genii> EriC^^: :D
[17:31] <EriC^^> :D
[17:32] <howarth> the confusing bit is this dotool, irexec and irxevent stuff
[17:32] <howarth> I assume I really should be configuring .lircrc for irxevent but most of the examples directly refer to the program by name
[17:36] <nacc> howarth: ahve you tried using the upstream lirc-setup tool? I know nothing about lirc, admittedly
[17:38] <nermine> cc
[17:41] <gallomimia> quassel.
[17:50] <howarth> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LIRC seems stale
[17:50] <howarth> it refers to being able to set System / Preferences / Startup Applications
[17:50] <howarth> which doesn't seem to exist in the default installation any more
[17:51] <howarth> which is worrisome on its own merits
[17:52] <nacc> howarth: given that the last release on there is 10.10, i'd avoid it
[17:52] <nacc> howarth: although it does indicate dpkg-reconfigure is what you use to reconfigure it, as i guessed
[17:52] <nacc> howarth: i still have startup applications here (although it might be in a different path)
[17:53] <howarth> I'm half way there
[17:53] <nacc> howarth: also given that it's in the community section, feel free to contribute changes! :)
[17:54] <howarth> hard to be that helpful when you don't know the history of why particular components have been deprecated and when
[17:54] <nacc> howarth: no, but you can be helpful by documenting the steps you had to follow
[17:54] <howarth> shouldn't that be part of libstartup-notification0 or such
[17:54] <nacc> howarth: shouldn't what?
[17:55] <howarth> System / Preferences / Startup Applications
[17:55] <nejm> I finally fixed my DNS resolution, I don't know how, but the IP of my router works fine as DNS server, I modified /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf/ so /etc/resolv.conf includes 192.168.2.254 instead of 127.0.1.1 and now I am able to browse again
[17:55] <howarth> I am assuming I am supposed to see that from the System Settings program
[17:56] <nacc> howarth:  on my system (ubuntu gnome) it is provided by gnome session manager
[17:56] <nacc> howarth: so it depends
[17:58] <kantlivelong> is there a reason i cannot write to files in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars as root?
[17:58] <howarth> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/unity-dash-intro.html
[17:58] <howarth> that is one obtuse interface
[17:59] <howarth> ah, I see now
[17:59] <howarth> they meant to say you can find the Startup Applications program there not that it was there
[18:03] <nojhan> Hi. I've got an interesting sound configuration problem: making mpd and users cohabiting on the same alsa mixer. So far, mpd won. I've found all kind of interesting tips but most notably about the ipc_key_add_uid key in asound.state. My problem is that my asound.state does not look like any of the examples and I'm a bit lost about where I'm supposed to configure that key..
[18:04] <nojhan> Using this examples, on Xenial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblemsMisc
[18:07] <howarth> my best guess at the moment is that I am screwing up .lircrc somehow
[18:07] <howarth> don't see how though as
[18:08] <danfun64> I'm having problems with a Pluggable USB2-E100 USB Ethernet adapter. I can't access website when its connected for some reason. Transmission (torrent software) still works, but I can't access much else.
[18:08] <howarth> begin
[18:08] <howarth> prog = totem
[18:08] <howarth> remote = Apple_A1156
[18:08] <howarth> button = KEY_PLAYPAUSE
[18:08] <howarth> config = play_pause
[18:08] <howarth> end
[18:09] <danfun64> I am running Xubuntu 16.10 64-bit
[18:11] <glitchd> danfun64, can you ping google?
[18:11] <danfun64> id try, but Im afraid of disconnecting
[18:12] <danfun64> im tying on the same computer that needs it for wired connections (using wireless atm)
[18:12] <danfun64> If I disconnect, you'll know why
[18:13] <glitchd> danfun64, what is it listed as with lsusb?
[18:13] <danfun64> Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0b95:7720 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88772
[18:14] <glitchd> is it a usb ethernet card?
[18:14] <ioria> it's an  adapter
[18:22] <danfun64> ...
[18:22] <danfun64> well, plugging it in results in a block of irc as well
[18:22] <danfun64> Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0b95:7720 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88772
[18:22] <danfun64> ping: www.google.com: Name or service not known
[18:23] <ioria> danfun64, that should work out of the box
[18:23] <danfun64> I know, that's why I bought it
[18:23] <ioria> danfun64,  can you paste   sudo lshw -C Network
[18:23] <danfun64> once i'm connected to it?
[18:23] <danfun64> i'll brb then
[18:24] <ioria> danfun64,  sure... to check if asix is loaded
[18:25] <gitesh> Hello
[18:25] <gitesh> Can I have voice control?
[18:27] <tomreyn> gitesh: you are looking for speech recognition software
[18:27] <gitesh> tomreyn: yes, for ubuntu.
[18:27] <gitesh> tomreyn: is there any available to try?
[18:28] <tomreyn> have you tried this: apt-cache search 'speech recognition'
[18:28] <danfun64> https://paste.debian.net/903780/
[18:28] <danfun64> BTW, I turned IPv6 off thinking it will help
[18:28] <danfun64> not sure if its really helping or not, but I thought I'd let you all know
[18:28] <danfun64> apparently it isn't helping lol
[18:31] <RickDallas74> Does anyone have experience with backing up using snapshot volumes?
[18:32] <Amara> RickDallas74, google btrbk
[18:32] <danfun64> ...nobody else has any advice for my problem?
[18:32] <ioria> danfun64, sorry, disconnected
[18:32] <Amara> provided you meant btrfs snapshots
[18:32] <ioria> danfun64,  the module is loaded ?
[18:32] <danfun64> https://paste.debian.net/903780/
[18:33] <danfun64> and I mentioned that, thinking it would help matters even though there is no evidence of doing so, i turned off ipv6
[18:33] <ioria> danfun64,  looks ok... what's your issue ?
[18:34] <danfun64> I can't really connect to anything except my torrent software when its connected
[18:34] <danfun64> im using wireless now
[18:34] <RickDallas74> The snapshot volume does not remain consistent during backup.
[18:34] <danfun64> when i plug in the wired usb adapter, it just doesn't allow connections for some reason
[18:34] <Guest36528> where are the other members of this crew
[18:34] <ioria> danfun64,  well, i'd try to create in NM another connection for your adapter
[18:35] <danfun64> how would I do that?
[18:35] <ioria> danfun64,  right click on NM icon and 'edit connections'
[18:35] <danfun64> and i'd appreciate it if you said all the instructions now because I will disconnect when I try it
[18:35] <danfun64> im using Xubuntu btw
[18:36] <ioria> danfun64,  you have a network icon somewhere ?
[18:36] <danfun64> yes
[18:36] <danfun64> and i can edit things in NM
[18:36] <danfun64> it just requires left click, not right click. that's all
[18:36] <ioria> danfun64,  ok.... open it and create a Manual connection
[18:36] <RickDallas74> Amara, what is the behavior of the snapshot volumes on btrfs
[18:37] <RickDallas74> I read about them... what I read and what I see on my system are not the same.
[18:37] <danfun64> Choose a connection type
[18:37] <ioria> danfun64,  your ip, netmask (255.255.255.0) and your gateway and DNS (8.8.8.8)
[18:37] <danfun64> (it's not plugged in atm)
[18:37] <ioria> danfun64,  Ethernet
[18:38] <Amara> RickDallas74, RickDallas74 behavior? what do you mean? they are cow ro or rw snapshots, what about them?
[18:38] <adrian_1908> hello. Anyone here watch DVB-C on their PC? Any recommendations for the best GUI program around? (The lighter the better, no "media center" if possible). No links please, I'm looking for personal experience.
[18:39] <ioria> danfun64,  for now it has ip=192.168.0.98
[18:39] <RickDallas74> Amara, COW ro is what I am trying to setup. I want them consistent for backup purposes... to take a snapshot of a logical volume and then backup that snapshot.
[18:39] <ioria> danfun64,  and wifi ip=192.168.0.112
[18:40] <RickDallas74> Amara, however, when I look at the files in the snapshot, anything I do to the original volume is immediately reflected in the snapshot
[18:40] <ioria> danfun64,  disconnect wifi, and try to set a static connection for your usb adapter
[18:40] <RickDallas74> Amara, that is not what i would expect
[18:40] <danfun64> ill brb
[18:41] <RickDallas74> Amara, all that I have read says that the snapshot is "Frozen-in-time" so to speak... so changes are not immediately reflected.
[18:41] <Amara> RickDallas74, did you use -r while snapshoting?
[18:41] <Amara> RickDallas74, check out Arch Btrfs wiki
[18:41] <RickDallas74> No.
[18:42] <Amara> RickDallas74, Well you should have.
[18:42] <RickDallas74> Thank you!
[18:42] <RickDallas74> I scoured for hours looking at tons of exampes and that did not come up.
[18:42] <RickDallas74> Thank you.
[18:43] <RickDallas74> One other thing...
[18:43] <Amara> Sure, just the read the manual, its all there man btrfs-subvolume
[18:43] <Guest25764> jkij
[18:46] <hay> hi all.. I have a virtualized Ubuntu 15.04 guest which is getting some buffer i/o errors on /dev/sda (it happened due to full host's HD capacity) and I am trying to solve problem by running fsck by touching /forcefsck and rebooting, but it seems fsck doesnt even start
[18:47] <nacc> hay: 15.04 guest should b eupdated, btw (it's eol by some time)
[18:48] <hay> nacc: I see, will be done, thanks :) but I need to solve this fail first :)
[18:49] <Amara> hay, boot a live OS, do the check using it?
[18:50] <RickDallas74> Amara, the -r option must be only for btrfs... not for logical volumes
[18:50] <hay> Amara, yeah, that's what I am planning to do now... thought that this /forcefsck should be easier :) thanks
[18:50] <danfun64> weird thing
[18:50] <danfun64> for whatever reason, when i plug in the ethernet adapter, it acts like both the wired and the wireless are connected
[18:51] <danfun64> and if i disconnect the wireless, I don't get *anything*.
[18:52] <danfun64> I can't explain it at all
[18:52] <RickDallas74> Has anyone used Logical Volumes to be able to create consistent backups?
[18:52] <The_Myth> hi guys. i've been trying to use sendmail to relay mails thru my gmail account, without success. i dont have a FQDN in the vps and i guess that's why it's failing. any other way?
[18:56] <danfun64> no advice?
[18:57] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: is this a survey?
[18:58] <tomreyn> danfun64: i haven't seen this before. i probably wont be able to help. but surely no one elese will unless oyu provide more info.
[18:59] <tomreyn> danfun64: start by providing lspci -knnv and lsusb -v outputs on !pastebin, coupled with your ubuntu version (lsb_release -d)
[18:59] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, I need someone who has successfully done this before
[19:00] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, because I have followed both examples and from what I understand from the literature and I get very different results in terms of the behavior of the snapshot volume.
[19:00] <tomreyn> The_Myth: what you want to do is to use google / gmail with a smarthost configuration. i.e. your mailserver will actually do smtp authentication to the gmail, as if it was a mail client.
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> /wc/msg ubottu btrfs
[19:01] <The_Myth> tomreyn: thats it! how can i do that?
[19:01] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: the only really tricky part about it is to ensure you don't have consistent writes to the LV snapshot while you create the backup off it.
[19:01] <The_Myth> i really need it, but gmail seems to block all my attempts
[19:02] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: and  to have enough disk space in general
[19:02] <tomreyn> The_Myth: which mails erver did you choose?
[19:02] <tomreyn> *mail server
[19:03] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, The changes that are made on the original volume are being immediately reflected in the snapshot volume... that is not what I would expect
[19:04] <morsnowski> The_Myth, how do you know it's Gmail and not your provider? I had that problem and it took me 2 days till it finally clicked.
[19:04] <morsnowski> and I do mail for a living...
[19:04] <The_Myth> tomreyn: i've installed sendmail. but i can switch if there's one better. i use sendmail, because its used by default on Anop
[19:04] <The_Myth> *Anope
[19:05] <The_Myth> morsnowski: google warned me of a blocked attempt
[19:05] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: right, that's not how it should be
[19:05] <morsnowski> ok that would be clear then and what is the exact error message?
[19:05] <wafflejock> The_Myth, they give you the link with generic info about SPF and DKIM?
[19:06] <tomreyn> The_Myth: i'd probably just use a nullmailer such as ssmtp for a simple setup
[19:06] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, here is what I used to create the volume: lvcreate -L25G -s -n homesnapshot /dev/home-vg/home
[19:06] <The_Myth> wafflejock: sure. anything that helps me bypassing that google security
[19:06] <wafflejock> The_Myth, well I was asking if they sent you a link with that info along with the blocked message info
[19:07] <compdoc> nullmailer is most excellent
[19:07] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, on the lvdisplay, it shows that the two volumes are "connected".. i.e. I have snapshot volume and it's paired source
[19:07] <The_Myth> wafflejock: dont remember now.
[19:07] <wafflejock> The_Myth, I've seen similar messages when setting up my own mail server but they explain to add SPF records to the DNS and DKIM to the messages to reduce the likelihood of them being blocked
[19:08] <danfun64> https://paste.debian.net/903785/
[19:08] <danfun64> https://paste.debian.net/903786/
[19:08] <danfun64> https://paste.debian.net/903786/
[19:08] <danfun64> err
[19:08] <danfun64> Description:	Ubuntu 16.10
[19:08] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: this looks correct to me
[19:08] <wafflejock> The_Myth, oh sorry think I'm confusing issues.. you're saying using Gmail as the host and with credentials through their smtp right?
[19:08] <RickDallas74> tomreyn, so sad....
[19:09] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: Was hoping I forgot something....
[19:09] <samlamamma> Hi! Ever since I upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04.1 I've had some issues with screen flickering, especially while using Chrome (also had some issues with a video game having lower FPS than usual), is there anything specific I should look up regarding drivers for example? I'm using Intel HD 2000 (I think, it's OpenGL 3.0. I can't find the appropriate command for GPU info)
[19:10] <wafflejock> The_Myth, in my case was setting up a mail server and some messages being rejected because GMail thinking it's spam but maybe not related to your problem, in either case though you'll need to get details for anyone here to help I think
[19:10] <The_Myth> wafflejock: yes. but i guess google blocks my attempts because i dont have a fqdn
[19:10] <pavlos> The_Myth, does this help ... https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-google-s-smtp-server
[19:10] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: i would recommend to mount the snapshot read-only (if you are going to mount it and not just image it entirely).
[19:11] <wafflejock> The_Myth, hmm that seems strange are you trying to send emails with a different from address than the smtp credentials or something?
[19:11] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: what's the size of the original LV?
[19:12] <The_Myth> wafflejock: my vps dont have a FQDN. maybe thats the issue.
[19:12] <The_Myth> pavlos: i'll take a look at that
[19:12] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: The original is 1.2T... but sparsely populated.
[19:12] <RickDallas74> Tomreyn: 25G is excessive...
[19:12] <tomreyn> The_Myth: if you do smtp authentication as a mail client would, then none of this is of concern
[19:13] <wafflejock> yeah was thinking the fqdn shouldn't be a problem in that case since any email client just uses the credentials to send e-mails for you
[19:13] <Guest25764> dont really understand virtual place chat
[19:13] <The_Myth> tomreyn: maybe i'm doing something wrong. idont know
[19:13] <tomreyn> The_Myth: all of what wafflejock and you (fqdn) discussed above only matters if you are going to setup a full mail server to relay through google (which may or may not be possible).
[19:14] <samlamamma> Seems like the kernel might be an issue
[19:14] <The_Myth> tomreyn: thats exactly what i want. to make all mails that goes out my machine to be ralayed by Gmail
[19:14] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: I mounted the volume as read only
[19:14] <The_Myth> *relayed
[19:14] <danfun64> no advice?
[19:15] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: I was hoping that was the issue, but the files continue to be changed.
[19:15] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: 25G is not excessive if you have steady wirtes to the original volume. also, IIRC you will need a certain minimum fraction of the original size for some knid of meta data it writes. i forgot the details.
[19:15] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: which file system?
[19:15] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: btrfs
[19:15] <tomreyn> uuh, dunno, i have no experience with that
[19:16] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: I should use the shadow copy of btrfs instead then.
[19:16] <tomreyn> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html suggests that for xfs you should mount with -onouuid,ro
[19:16] <RickDallas74> Let me look
[19:16] <tomreyn> 13.4.2
[19:17] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: I do exactly what they do and get the results that the snapshot just keeps updating... so I can't tar it... and get a good backup.
[19:17] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: minus the xfs part
[19:18] <The_Myth> this is too hard to a noob like me to achieve..
[19:18] <The_Myth> :x
[19:19] <RickDallas74> tomreyn: I searched trying to find the "error" to see if someone else documented making a mistake... so far, no luck. I seem to be the only one that the obvious is not so obvious :-/
[19:19] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: yeah, i'm puzzled, haven't run into the situation you're discussing where data written to the original file system carries through to the snapshot after it was fully created.
[19:20] <tomreyn> RickDallas74: if you have more space to allocate, give it a try, just to see whether ti makes a difference.
[19:25] <nojhan> OK, I've reduced my problem to this very simple question: How to enable alsa software (d)mixing in Xenial?
[19:27] <lapion> Hello
[19:29] <lapion> Whenever I change network settings to use ipv4 either by default or as a secondary protocol at boot-up nm-applet creates a new profile with ipv6-only, I then have to manually select the original profile for the system to get ipv4
[19:32] <lapion> Does anyone in here have experience with networkmanager ?
[19:34] <gallomimia> you mean the network utility built into ubuntu that you generally need to use to get your system connected before you can go on IRC? nope... never seen it
[19:37] <lapion> I am having a rather peculiar problem..
[19:38] <gallomimia> !ask
[19:38] <gallomimia> that sounds more like a bug report than a question for support
[19:39] <Dolmen0> hearing from earlier I assume that you're actually here which makes me assume its working? I could be wrong
[19:39] <kk4ewt> lapion, whats the question
[19:39] <lapion> At boot nm-applet creates a ghost profile in which only ipv6 is active
[19:40] <lapion> that is if I have ipv4 as mandatory.
[19:42] <lapion> I have to manually select the non=ghost profile for ipv4 to become active
[19:43] <kk4ewt> so disable ipv6 in the profile
[19:43] <lapion> Dos not help..
[19:44] <lapion> nmapplet totaly ignores the profile on boot creates a ghost profile with only ipv6
[19:45] <lapion> well this is not the only system I have
[19:45] <lapion> Dolmen0
[19:46] <lapion> kk4ewt,
[19:48] <blackbird1> !paste
[19:56] <lapion> this would seem to be another systemctl problem
[19:59] <akik> lapion: you can modify the ipv4 and ipv6 preferences in /etc/gai.conf too
[20:00] <lapion> akik gai.conf does not change anything in dhcp
[20:00] <akik> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32298/prefer-a-ipv4-dns-lookups-before-aaaaipv6-lookups
[20:02] <akik> lapion: they are two separate things. have you tried modifying it?
[20:02] <gallomimia> gai == DNS =/= networking
[20:03] <lapion> akik, all lines in gai are commented.
[20:03] <lapion> and like gallomimia  said
[20:04] <akik> lapion: gai.conf gives you a solution to your problem, i.e. change ipv4/ipv6 precedence
[20:05] <gallomimia> akik. no it doesn't. it changes whether the resolver looks up AAAA or A
[20:05] <lapion> akik I need ipv4 to be active before I can set precedence.
[20:05] <gallomimia> he's dealing with his actual network config
[20:05] <gallomimia> as in... does not care whether resolver works or not yet, cause networking isn't even functional
[20:06] <gallomimia> i'd also like to put in my five cents about the fact that there's networking configs in at least 3 places now, and not all of them get used. and getting someone to answer a question about which ones are used, how to change DNS settings from command line, et-cetera, is like pulling chicken's teeth.
[20:11] <akik> gallomimia: it's the ubuntu way. must be "works for me"
[20:11] <akik> when network-manager was brought in at first, it was so buggy
[20:11] <gallomimia> hah
[20:11] <gallomimia> as if it could have been worse
[20:12] <gallomimia> you jest surely
[20:12] <akik> a bit
[20:12] <akik> for example wlan configuration can be done in interfaces file but it too is like searching for a nail in a hay stack
[20:13] <wedgie> gallomimia: I agree. DNS stuff in particular is impossible these days.
[20:13] <lapion> it's not a dns problem I am having\
[20:13] <nermine> youpi
[20:13] <lapion> !!
[20:14] <nermine> oui
[20:14] <pavlos> !fr
[20:14] <ioria> lapion, and what's your problem ?
[20:15] <lapion> ioria, on boot no matter what I set in my network manager profile only ipv6 is activated
[20:15] <ioria> lapion, also if you select 'ignore' in NM ?
[20:16] <lapion> ioria, no matter what option I set\
[20:17] <lapion> ioria, nm creates a ghost profile and only activates ipv6.
[20:17] <lapion> it's only when I manually select the created profile a ipv4 and ipv6 address is assigned
[20:18] <ioria> lapion, are you using NM ?
[20:18] <lapion> ioria, otherwhise all I get is ipv6
[20:18] <ioria> lapion, are you using NM ?
[20:18] <lapion> NetworkManager allong with nm-applet
[20:18] <akik> lapion: you have native ipv6 from your isp?
[20:18] <ioria> lapion,  what's in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:18] <lapion> akik,  yes along with static static ipv4 addrsses
[20:19] <lapion> interfaces.d is empty
[20:19] <ioria> lapion,   /etc/network/interfaces
[20:19] <lapion> auto lo
[20:19] <lapion> iface lo inet loopback
[20:21] <OverCoder> Hey guys
[20:21] <OverCoder> I'm packaging an application into a .deb package
[20:22] <OverCoder> I use debuild to build the package
[20:22] <OverCoder> My question is, how do I specify a specific upstream tarball file name?
[20:22] <lapion> ioria, nive one set it from etc.... probablya  workaround..
[20:23] <ioria> lapion,  ok ... but it's weird
[20:24] <lapion> yeah it sure is.. but I know it's due to the isp native ipv6.. becuase I recently removed my tamato ipv4-only router and started using the isp's router
[20:25] <ioria> lapion,  oh, i see
[20:26] <ioria> lapion,  fiber ?
[20:28] <ioria> lapion,  you can disable temporary with   sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/<interface-name>/disable_ipv6'
[20:28] <lapion> good isp.. has anything from classic pots-56k6 modems dsl fiber.. since inception static ip's
[20:29] <kantlivelong> having the weirdest issue ever. BCM4322 wireless with bcmwl driver. doesnt work until after i resume from suspend
[20:29] <ioria> lapion,  56k not a good option :þ
[20:30] <james1138> Hello all and Happy Yule! I have a minor question - seasons related. Anyone know of any Ubuntu or Lubuntu greeting card maker? I found "KreetingKard" - but it will not install for some reason.
[20:30] <kk4ewt> libreoffice
[20:30] <lapion> ioria, don't say that it might save your live while on vacation.
[20:30] <ioria> lapion,  true
[20:31] <lapion> ioria, like it saved so many lives during revolutions against dictators..
[20:31] <ioria> lapion,  true again
[20:31] <jamesrleimer> hi
[20:33] <frib> hi.  I am using fluxbox but I installed gnome settings manager (a long time ago) and my audio devices stopped showing up in the sound panel.  How can I make them reappear?  Thanks for any help
[20:33] <lapion> ioria, however it will eat your call-debit whole
[20:34] <ioria> lapion,  ahaha, as you said sometimes it is worth
[20:36] <ioria> lapion,  anyway, i'd take a look at your router config ... unlikely the culprit is NM
[20:40] <hamdjan> hi
[20:40] <hamdjan> does ubuntu provide a official or backport package for grsecurity+pax?
[20:41] <hamdjan> debian does have uptodate backports for grsecurity, but i didnt find anything on ubuntu lts for that
[20:49] <blackflow> hamdjan: I doubt it. also, grsecurity stopped publishing stable kernels, they now only have (very) latest ones
[20:50] <OverCoder> Launchpad is an idiot
[20:50] <lapion> ioria, overiding nm with interfaces got it working correctly
[20:50] <nicomachus> OverCoder: launchpad is not a person.
[20:50] <OverCoder> the programmer of it is
[20:50] <ioria> lapion,  good work
[20:51] <ioria> lapion,  but weird :þ
[20:51] <OverCoder> How on earth does one fix an accidentally uploaded malformed upstream tarball
[20:51] <nicomachus> OverCoder: there are thousands of those. Do you have a specific Ubuntu issue we can help solve?
[20:51] <OverCoder> I can't update my PPA :<
[20:51] <OverCoder> nicomachus: ^
[20:51] <nicomachus> OverCoder: That sounds like an issue to contact the launchpad folks about, not us.
[20:51] <ioria> lapion,  at this point, maybe better stop and disable NM
[20:52] <nicomachus> OverCoder: /join #launchpad
[20:52] <OverCoder> I built my package with a wrong tarball upstream accidentally, and obviously, build failed, and now it rejects and further updates to the upstream tarball because different contents under the same tarball name
[20:52] <OverCoder> nicomachus: okay
[20:52] <blackflow> hamdjan: also, from what I see in Debian, latest is 4.7.0, hardly up to date. I don't think it even has the latest crop of kernel vulns fixed.
[20:53] <dAnjou> hi, when does the update manager ask for a password and when doesn't it? a source would be appreciated.
[20:53] <blackflow> 4.7.0 is even Dirty Cow vulnerable iirc
[20:53] <nicomachus> dAnjou: when it needs root privileges, it asks for a root password.
[20:54] <dAnjou> nicomachus: that's not exactly true, or at least not the whole truth.
[20:54] <\9> there's no such thing as a root password
[20:54] <dAnjou> nicomachus: also, source?
[20:55] <lapion> ioria, still need it for virbr on one system on the other for wifi jicoe
[20:55] <MichaelP> in /etc/modprobe.d ... I put radeon.conf... with blacklist radeon .. so i can use amdgpu.... lspci -v shows radeon in use
[20:56] <dAnjou> from googling i got the answers "for kernel updates" and "when new software is installed" (kinda like upgrade vs dist-upgrade)
[20:56] <ioria> lapion,  ok
[20:58] <hamdjan> blackflow, hm good to know, thanks
[20:58] <hamdjan> blackflow, so if someone wants to go with grsecurity then there's no way around gentoo
[20:58] <mirak_> hi
[20:58] <mirak_> this flash version is broken adobe-flashplugin_20161213.1.orig.tar.gz
[20:59] <mirak_> I can't downgrade
[20:59] <blackflow> hamdjan: yes, or pay up to get stable kernels from grsec :)
[20:59] <blackflow> hamdjan: then again I guess one can take the patches and build for ubuntu
[20:59] <blackflow> it's after all "just" a set of patches on the mainline kernel
[21:00] <hamdjan> blackflow, guess im going with ubuntu lts. not so much time to setup grsecurity correctly with because it requires lots of configuration for each applicaiton you use :)
[21:00] <hamdjan> maybe at a later time
[21:00] <hamdjan> yes, you could compile the kernel yourself, but i prefere using prepackaged kernels
[21:00] <blackflow> hamdjan: I gave up because they're not backporting fixes so you're forced to rebuild the kernel every few days as they pull in new changes. very taxing for production.
[21:02] <hamdjan> yeah. i dont have a *high security* environment anyways, so decent hardening should suffice. if i find time i'll test it on arch linux or gentoo though
[21:02] <dAnjou> found it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[21:02] <blackflow> hamdjan: the ubuntu kernel is hardened a bit. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features    and if you combine with apparmor it's not bad at all.
[21:03] <mirak_> how can i install a specific package version with apt ?
[21:03] <blackflow> hamdjan: you can mimick some pax kernel features with apparmor, like @OWNER access on /proc, TPE, etc...
[21:03] <hamdjan> blackflow, yep, apparmor is helpful
[21:04] <blackflow> hamdjan: can't imagine browsing the net without it (it or any other similar enforcement)
[21:04] <blackflow> had to tweak ubunut's firefox profile becuse it was too open
[21:04] <vento> hello ubuntu users from china
[21:04] <nicomachus> !cn | vento
[21:05] <vento> ubuntu 16 is a good linux.It's easy to use.
[21:05] <vento> thank you
[21:06] <mirak_> why did they remove this package from the repo ?http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160407.1.orig.tar.gz
[21:06] <mirak_> flash is not working anymore with the new update
[21:06] <nicomachus> mirak_: yea we heard you. please be patient.
[21:06] <mirak_> nicomachus, what can you do ?
[21:07] <blackflow> mirak_: I think it's now the pepperflash plugin, I think adobe took over that one
[21:07] <hamdjan> blackflow, thanks for the hint, going to check out those settings, sounds like it helps a little against web exploits
[21:07] <nicomachus> mirak_: what browser are you using?
[21:07] <vento> i am transferring from win10 to ubuntu
[21:07] <blackflow> hamdjan: helps quite a bit, and in my case, prevents reading of .ssh, I've got private keys in there for our entire server fleet :)
[21:08] <blackflow> hamdjan: that's the "too open" part in the default policy, I tweaked it to allow r/w only to ~/Downloads. A bit of a PITA to use at first, btu you get used to it
[21:08] <blackflow> (aside to the minimum required r/w access in ~/.cache and ~/.mozilla and wherever
[21:09] <blackflow> nothing else in ~/
[21:09] <mirak_> nicomachus, firefox
[21:09] <mirak_> don't suggest chrome, the image is blocky with it
[21:09] <hamdjan> blackflow, ah thats a good doing. always worried about my ssh keys (currently iam adding finally passphrases for all my ssh keys, so I'll use app armor for that too then)
[21:10] <nicomachus> mirak_: I suggest reading this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/562271/can-i-use-chromes-pepper-flash-with-firefox
[21:10] <vento> i use both chrome and firefox.work well in my computer
[21:10] <nicomachus> mirak_: but you may be out of luck and be forced to use Chrome soon if you want flash.
[21:10] <win32> Why so low work my wacom tablet
[21:10] <mirak_> i don't mind using chor
[21:10] <win32> Any questions
[21:10] <mirak_> chrome, but it's not working right
[21:11] <nicomachus> mirak_: also, keep in mind that #firefox is pretty helpful for questions specific to them.
[21:12] <mirak_> i go on windows
[21:12] <mirak_> that's really where linux loses everytime
[21:12] <mirak_> in the end
[21:12] <win32> :/
[21:12] <vento> flash is a simple question
[21:12] <vento> even in debian it can be solved easily.
[21:13] <nicomachus> mirak_: what?
[21:13] <vento> however when i use ubuntu 16 everything is ok.It's anazing.
[21:13] <lapion> mirak_, adobe is coming with flashplugin r24 soon.
[21:14] <nicomachus> vento: that's great. but this channel is ONLY for Ubuntu support, not just chatting. please use #ubuntu-offtopic for chat, or ask support questions here.
[21:14] <win32> Anybody use wacom ?
[21:14] <xangua> !Info flashplugin-installer
[21:14] <vento> thank you
[21:14] <nicomachus> win32: plenty of people do. what is your issue?
[21:14] <xangua> !info flashplugin-installer
[21:14] <nicomachus> xangua: apparently the current version is "broken" for them. won't say how.
[21:14] <win32> nicomachus: wacom pro intus
[21:15] <xangua> nicomachus: I don't use flash so I don't know
[21:15] <nicomachus> win32: what is the problem?
[21:15] <win32> nicomachus: low end lags
[21:15] <nicomachus> xangua: same.
[21:15] <win32> When touch with pen write low end lags
[21:16] <win32> No in realtime
[21:18] <afancy> Hi, why I kill a process, but it is not killed. Could anybody advise? thanks! see : http://dpaste.com/3SCFANJ
[21:18] <Wulf> afancy: you cannot kill pid 1
[21:19] <kk4ewt> zombie or it has child processes that are still running
[21:19] <afancy> so, how should i do
[21:19] <afancy> wulf: how can i stop the jupyterhub?
[21:19] <wedgie> this a docker container or what?
[21:19] <afancy> wedgie: yes,
[21:20] <afancy> Docker2boot
[21:20] <wedgie> afancy: then kill the docker container from the host
[21:26] <UnityKris> So I'm attempting to move to the mesa drivers and get away from the amdgpu pro drivers. I did  "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers" in terminal, then apt updat and apt dist-upgrade. However, I still do not see any other drivers options in my drivers menu
[21:26] <murphy> anyone have a quick fix for only having a 640 res available on a VM?
[21:27] <UnityKris> still shows this. http://imgur.com/e8T4yJO
[21:27] <nicomachus> murphy: you need to install guest additions
[21:27] <UnityKris> How do I switch?
[21:28] <murphy> apt-get update?
[21:28] <nicomachus> murphy: what is the host and guest?
[21:28] <murphy> host is windows running a ubuntu vm
[21:28] <nicomachus> murphy: ok. follow this: https://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-ubuntu/
[21:28] <murphy> thanks!
[21:28] <murphy> weird i never ran into this before
[21:29] <nicomachus> murphy: sorry, this is probably a better guide: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22743/how-do-i-install-guest-additions-in-a-virtualbox-vm
[21:29] <murphy> maybe im oncusing ubuntu with other distros i used
[21:33] <V7> Hey
[21:34] <V7> I have KDE Neon 5.8 Plasma Desktop ... How to install any Remote Control Server ?
[21:34] <V7> IS it normal to install xrdp ?
[21:34] <bazhang> v7 did you mean rdp
[21:35] <V7> Yeah. I need some rdp server
[21:43] <ablest> how do install java using terminal
[21:43] <nicomachus> !java | ablest
[21:44] <ablest> ty
[21:45] <RickDallas74> Has anyone made a snapshot volume and found that it kept updating with the original volume?
[21:48] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, nope what kind of snapshot
[21:49] <RickDallas74> wafflejock, Using the lvcreate to create snapshot volume
[21:52] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, not super familiar but what's the actual lvcreate command you're running to make the new volume?
[21:53] <RickDallas74> wafflejock: lvcreate -L25G -s -n homesnapshot /dev/home-vg/home
[21:57] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, page here is in context of CentOS but says the snapshots store any changes http://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/lvm-snapshots-ext4-centos-7/
[21:57] <wafflejock> oh rihgt
[21:57] <UnityKris> Can anyone tell me what is going on here? http://pastebin.com/cvGQ8aLq
[21:57] <V7> I have some troubles with XRDP
[21:57] <V7> I have some problems ... :( http://i.imgur.com/b2CO131.jpg
[21:58] <UnityKris> Trying to install mesa-vdpau-drivers
[21:58] <V7> I did evrything that was written here http://askubuntu.com/questions/592537/can-i-access-ubuntu-from-windows-remotely
[21:59] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, yah it should be saving the old blocks as new data is updated in the original volume so it still has the old info in the snapshot and it grows as it differs more from the original volume
[22:00] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, you're saying after the snapshot you mount the snapshot and changes in the original filesystem are reflected in the mounted snapshot?
[22:00] <RickDallas74> wafflejock: Yes, the changes are immediately reflected.
[22:01] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, weird don't have experience with lvm stuff but that does sound off... maybe can paste your lvdisplay output not sure I can help but someone else may see it here
[22:01] <RickDallas74> wafflejock: I have about 4 virtual servers that I cannot take offline. I would like to back up all of the drive and state information. So, I wanted to use the snapshot.
[22:02] <RickDallas74> wafflejock: btrfs has snapshot built in as well.... so I may use that instead.
[22:02] <UnityKris> using Synaptic, I can see that my mesa version is 11.2 when latest version is 13.1. When I mark for upgrade, it kicks back with the broken package error.
[22:02] <bianchi> hi
[22:02] <RickDallas74> wafflejock: I hate problems like this... to me it seems I am missing some small detail... but I cannot find it.
[22:02] <UnityKris> I wish it would tell me which package was broken, so I could somehow fix it.
[22:02] <RickDallas74> bianchi: hi
[22:02] <V7> Can someone help me ?
[22:03] <wafflejock> RickDallas74, that's my guess too I was hoping was something silly like mirroring flag instead of snapshot in the lvcreate or something that would jump out but not sure what to check there
[22:03] <RickDallas74> v7: Did you realize that you are connecting the server to itself? I just want to make sure you are aware of that.
[22:04] <RickDallas74> v7: Did you realize that you are connecting the server to itself? I just want to make sure you are aware of that.
[22:04] <marc7> has the default umask changed at all?
[22:04] <V7> RickDallas74, I want to connect to Remote X of Ubuntu like xFCE4
[22:05] <RickDallas74> V7: What computer are you using as the remote client?
[22:05] <RickDallas74> v7: what computer is the server?
[22:06] <V7> Remote computer is a "server" which is connected to Router in Local Area
[22:06] <V7> He has no Monitor so I just want to enable there a xRDP server
[22:06] <V7> I'm connecting to it from my Laptop
[22:07] <Ben64> so run something like vncserver and connect with something like remmina
[22:08] <V7> Ben64, I'm trying but nothing
[22:08] <Ben64> explain more
[22:09] <wafflejock> Ben64, think going from windows viewer/control to linux host/server
[22:09] <V7> wafflejock, Yes. Like that
[22:09] <wafflejock> Ben64, based on link pasted from V7 up above a bit http://askubuntu.com/questions/592537/can-i-access-ubuntu-from-windows-remotely
[22:09] <V7> I have a SSH acess to server ( Text Mode )
[22:09] <Ben64> ok, doesn't change the fact that we need more details to figure this out
[22:09] <V7> I need some Graphical Server for it
[22:10] <wafflejock> Ben64, Remmina doesn't have windows build does it? otherwise vncserver I think is fine
[22:10] <asosa> nohup ./mercury >& mercury.log &
[22:10] <Ben64> like i said, vncserver
[22:10] <Ben64> wafflejock: if we had more information we'd know what the problem is
[22:10] <RickDallas74> V7: There is a typo in the configuration file on the example as given
[22:11] <RickDallas74> It could be preventing xfce from starting
[22:11] <V7> Ben64, So why I can't connect to it like in Article ? I can't understand )
[22:11] <Ben64> V7: we don't know! you haven't said anything!
[22:11] <V7> RickDallas74, I've changed config file like it said in this tut
[22:11] <V7> Ben64, What information do you need ?
[22:12] <Ben64> start with any
[22:12] <Ben64> so far all we know is what you want to do, and that "it doesn't work"
[22:13] <RickDallas74> Are you sure the ports are correct on the server? They are usually 3389, not 3350
[22:13] <V7> Ben64, I have a server without monitor which is connected to a Local Network ( 192.168.1.103 ). I need some Graphical X Server on it to connect to or something like this ! So .. Im trying to make this by reading an article.
[22:14] <Ben64> V7: ok, you just repeated what you want to do
[22:14] <V7> I did everything like it is written there. Trying to connect via mstsc.exe and I see a xRDP Login Window.
[22:15] <Ben64> V7: alternatively, run vncserver, then connect with <windows vnc client>
[22:15] <V7> I'm typing credentials and this error appears
[22:15] <V7> Ben64, So .. no xRDP ? ))
[22:15] <Ben64> nah
[22:15] <bgray> CoderEurope: from where?
[22:18] <V7> I guess that the problem is in xfce4 ... right ?
[22:21] <wafflejock> V7, hard to guess correctly without any errors pointing to a particular problem
[22:21] <V7> wafflejock, I have only this http://i.imgur.com/b2CO131.jpg
[22:22] <Ben64> 127.0.0.1??
[22:22] <wafflejock> V7, would need to check out logs on the server and client to see what's really happening not enough to go by in there I don't think
[22:22] <V7> Ben64, Yeah. It is ... idk know why
[22:22] <Ben64> that's wrong
[22:23] <Malakias> Anyone who understands openwrt?
[22:23] <V7> Ben64, Why ? http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=5874
[22:23] <V7> Look here
[22:23] <Ben64> Malakias: ##networking
[22:23] <V7> On this screen http://c-nergy.be/blog/wp-content/gallery/xrdp14-04/dynamic/xrdp14.04_9.png-nggid041647-ngg0dyn-320x240x100-00f0w010c010r110f110r010t010.png
[22:23] <Ben64> V7: still wroong
[22:23] <Malakias> j#networking
[22:24] <V7> Ben64, Why ?
[22:24] <Malakias> j #networking
[22:24] <V7> Ben64, Why it's wrong if it works ?
[22:24] <Ben64> it doesn't work
[22:24] <V7> Ben64, >> http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=5874
[22:24] <Ben64> V7: is it working? no. that means it doesn't work!
[22:24] <V7> -_-
[22:25] <V7> You mean it's working on Local machinge, but not in local network ?
[22:25] <V7> You mean he tested it in Local Machine >
[22:25] <V7> SO ...  how to change this by using WIndows RDP Client ?
[22:30] <kenshin> ?
[22:33] <fearnothing> hi folks, need some troubleshooting help
[22:33] <fearnothing> the screen lock feature is not working correctly, 16.04
[22:34] <fearnothing> I can lock the screen manually; if the system reaches the timer to turn off the screen it will lock
[22:35] <fearnothing> but it doesn't adhere to the timer for the lock screen
[22:35] <fearnothing> this affects all user accounts, persists after changing and reapplying the setting, and after reboot
[22:35] <fearnothing> only known changes: installed Chrome.
[22:36] <fearnothing> any ideas?
[22:36] <xangua> fearnothing: what desktop?
[22:36] <fearnothing> unity
[22:38] <tomreyn> if that's reproducible then please report a bug and tag it 'security'
[22:38] <fearnothing> reproducible in the sense that it happens every time on this system?
[22:39] <tomreyn> reproducible in that you can describe how to create this situation on a standard ubuntu installation.
[22:39] <tomreyn> (and someone else can reproduce it based on the instructions provided)
[22:39] <fearnothing> ah that's what I thought. I haven't had the chance to test it on another system
[22:40] <fearnothing> only got access to this machine right now
[22:41] <fearnothing> is there a way to hard-reset the system settings back to defaults?
[22:41] <tomreyn> it's called 'installation'
[22:42] <fearnothing> lol :P
[22:42] <tomreyn> you could also identify the packages involved and purge and reinstall just those
[22:42] <tomreyn> do you have plenty of third party sources (read: PPAs) configured?
[22:42] <fearnothing> erm, one maybe? will have to check
[22:42] <fearnothing> set this system up for my parents a year ago :)
[22:42] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release?
[22:42] <fearnothing> 16.04
[22:43] <tomreyn> so you installed that pre-release?
[22:44] <fearnothing> hm, maybe it wasn't a year ago, let me check my memory
[22:46] <tomreyn> got to go, maybe someone else can help. but please remember to file a bug if reproducible.
[22:47] <fearnothing> um, it was last christmas
[22:48] <GernitanFern> ubuntu social channels on freenode are in violation of UK Law and US laws for one thing.  immoral integrity and unnatural forgiveness to one person alone, who may share this ip address.  UK Parliment law endorced by Diana and still exists 54673409UIREUIKLOGRIOTUIHG-0908765002-1.  Against the Ubuntu conduct code 100%.  in that and -offtopic.  US federal law.  78650807709605098760009087-6 United State Supreme Court Nov 5, 2016.
[22:50] <V7> Hmm
[22:50] <V7> I've noticed that I haven't anything listening on 5910 port
[22:50] <V7> I guess that 5910 port is X server
[22:51] <V7> So ... it's not started
[22:51] <V7> Right ?
[22:51] <Ben64> V7: run vncserver, then connect with <windows vnc client>
[22:57] <V7> THank you Ben64 ))
[22:57] <V7> Thank you all, guys !
[23:03] <fearnothing> ok, gonna throw it out again in case anyone else has ideas
[23:03] <fearnothing> the lock screen timer is no longer working
[23:04] <fearnothing> manually locking screen works; waiting for screen power off timer works - it locks when screen goes to sleep
[23:04] <fearnothing> but the ordinary lock timer doesn't
[23:04] <fearnothing> this applies to all user accounts, and persists through reboot
[23:05] <fearnothing> any ideas anyone?
[23:05] <fearnothing> running ubuntu 16.04
[23:10] <[CoD]LaW22> Whats a good program to dl music?
[23:11] <fearnothing> wget
[23:11] <bazhang> firefox [CoD]LaW22
[23:11] <fearnothing> (you'll need to be more specific)
[23:14] <[CoD]LaW22> ch program?
[23:14] <[CoD]LaW22> which program?
[23:14] <[CoD]LaW22> just got on ubuntu studio
[23:14] <[CoD]LaW22> p2p ??
[23:15] <bazhang> firefox web browser [CoD]LaW22
[23:16] <[CoD]LaW22> And what do i do with firefox?
[23:16] <bazhang> point it at archive.org and jamendo.com [CoD]LaW22
[23:17] <bazhang> lots of music to download from those two sites [CoD]LaW22
[23:18] <xangua> ! Piracy | [CoD]LaW22
[23:18] <fearnothing> [CoD]LaW22: I don't expect you'll get the answers you want here, you're asking people to advise you how to break the law.
[23:27] <cruisibesares> hey we just moved between 14.04.3 to 14.04.5 LTS and found that systemd is the new default init. Should that be the case? im having trouble tracking down when that changed? Keep seeing a stack overflow that suggests it shouldn't happen till 14.10
[23:28] <xangua> cruisibesares: maybe you upgraded the kernel too
[23:29] <nacc> well, by definition, 14.04.5 refers to a different kernel than 14.04.{0,1,2,3,4}
[23:31] <cruisibesares> yeah the kernel is updated for sure. So it comes as a dependency of the kernel package?
[23:31] <cruisibesares> sorry just trying to wrap my head around that change. Seems like a more impactful change then changing the kernel
[23:31] <xangua> cruisibesares: did your fresh install the .3 point release?
[23:32] <cruisibesares> yeah i have some old boxes running .3 and i just installed a new box from .5 and saw init change
[23:32] <nacc> cruisibesares: (just to be clear, 14.04.3 is no longer supported)
[23:33] <xangua> cruisibesares: then probably upgraded the kernel, or your would be in an unsupported kernel
[23:33] <cruisibesares> right that is why i would like to upgrade but init change is going to hold me back for a while if i have to translate stuff over to systemd
[23:34] <xangua> Don't know about systemd but usually you should just get kernel and xorg upgrades
[23:34] <nacc> cruisibesares: i don't have a 14.04 system around, but i think you are right that it is unexpected for systemd to be the init process
[23:35] <akik> on 14.04.5, pid 1 is still upstart's /sbin/init
[23:35] <nacc> right, that would be what i'd expect
[23:35] <nacc> cruisibesares: what akik said, that is
[23:35] <nacc> cruisibesares: can you explain what is making you think that's not what you're seeing?
[23:35] <akik> there are a couple of systemd processes, though
[23:36] <nacc> yeah i see init spawning both upstart and systemd children in a trusty lxd container
[23:37] <cruisibesares> the way i was looking was checking man /sbin/init
[23:37] <cruisibesares> one of them is init other is systemd
[23:37] <Bashing-om> cruisibesares: U have a 14,04 install updated from that 13,04.0 to current, and have not seen that experiecnce . To determine which init daemon you are currently booting with, run: ' ps -p1 | grep systemd && echo systemd || echo upstart ' .
[23:37] <cruisibesares> i mean let me just check pid 1
[23:39] <cruisibesares> alright its upstart
[23:39] <cruisibesares> everything is ok
[23:39] <cruisibesares> sorry for wasting everyones time on that. bad info