[18:18] <flocculant> indicator-panel worketh once more
[18:24] <flocculant> mmm
[18:25] <flocculant> spoketh too soon
[18:39] <flocculant> could I get some confirmation on bug 1652134
[22:00] <knome> oki, i'm here ;)
[22:00] <flocculant> knome: so if we had a proposal section - what would we want? 
[22:00] <flocculant> dependencies
[22:01] <flocculant> changes to size?
[22:01] <flocculant> some sort of pros and cons?
[22:01] <flocculant> cos now I found a word missing - I could do both mp for both :p
[22:01] <knome> http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/xsd.html#xsd-seeds-composition-package-selection <- basically that
[22:02] <knome> in other words, same guidelines go for replacing packages as for new
[22:02] <knome> plus of course in the case of replacing, you'll want to compare
[22:02] <knome> but i think that's implied
[22:02] <flocculant> yup
[22:02] <flocculant> really then Package Selection should include Proposals ?
[22:03] <flocculant> at least logically in my head
[22:03] <knome> i'm kind of meh on that
[22:03] <knome> what extra could it bring to the table?
[22:03] <flocculant> somewhere to point people 
[22:03] <knome> isn't proposals for replacements and new packages always related to the package selection?
[22:03] <knome> point them to the package selection section? :)
[22:03] <flocculant> yes 
[22:04] <flocculant> well yea - now I see that bit - I can see that it's much of a muchness
[22:04] <knome> :)
[22:05] <flocculant> still got a missing word though :p
[22:05] <knome> well, do an MP
[22:08] <flocculant> yea ofc - or I could just do some random pastebin thing like kryten :p
[22:08] <knome> no please
[22:08] <knome> he's done a dozen of those for the ubuntu community wordpress theme
[22:08] <flocculant> hence the discussion re proposals - would have done it all together 
[22:08] <knome> and i've processed like one of them
[22:08] <knome> ...
[22:08] <flocculant> knome: have you ever seen me do that ;)
[22:09] <knome> no, but who knows what 2017 brings ;)
[22:09] <flocculant> change I hope - horrid year ;)
[22:13] <flocculant> knome: anything massive happening to contributor docs I don't know about?
[22:13] <knome> nope
[22:14] <knome> nothing at all planned
[22:14] <flocculant> ok - I might take the chance while akxwi-dave is doing qa duties to just run through the cont stuff like I have the user docs then
[22:14] <knome> mhm
[22:15] <flocculant> mhm always sounds like 'you can if you want - can't see the point personnaly' :p
[22:16] <flocculant> though I know it's not :)
[22:16] <knome> heh, sorry for that
[22:16] <knome> and indeed it is not
[22:16] <flocculant> yep
[22:16] <flocculant> no need for a sorry :D
[22:16] <flocculant> after this long I know ... 
[22:17] <knome> sigh @ clients
[22:17] <flocculant> :)
[22:24] <knome> oh he is here already
[22:24] <knome> :P
[22:24] <flocculant> \o/
[22:24] <knome>       |
[22:24] <knome>      / \
[22:24] <flocculant> Spass: basically, if you have the disk space - do a dual boot with 17.04 
[22:25] <flocculant> you can be brave and let 17.04 have grub (like me) or install dev grub to partition rather than disk
[22:25] <flocculant> then you can run either
[22:26] <flocculant> and while I am brave (or nuts) I do also have a 16.04 install I can boot if I really have to
[22:27] <Spass> Yep, hi all. I have an ability to dual boot, sure. On my laptop (Dell E6410 with NVIDIA graphics).
[22:27] <flocculant> there is an enormous amount of qa docs that we've developed over the last few years - that should answer most questions
[22:27] <flocculant> laptop testing is absolutely awesome - lots of team have laptops - but use them for work so are a bit shy :D
[22:28] <flocculant> personally I hate laptops so don't test that 
[22:28] <genii> But isn't the official laptop testing team finished for quite a while now?
[22:28] <flocculant> hence we find locking/power stuff really late in the cycle :(
[22:28] <genii> ( like, defunct)
[22:28] <Spass> That's my small goal for 2017 - do something useful for Xubuntu community.
[22:28] <flocculant> genii: really don't know
[22:28] <knome> genii, laptop testing as in testing with laptops
[22:28] <knome> but yes, the "laptop testing" thing is dead
[22:29] <flocculant> Spass: if you started using the dev version more and more during the cycle that would be a huge gain for us - as you are in this channel
[22:29] <flocculant> and hugely useful to the community too
[22:30] <Spass> I could also test on my main PC "simultaneously"
[22:30] <flocculant> I'm sure there are people out there doing the same thing - but we only find out those ones once we've released - at which point doing anything is much much harder
[22:31] <flocculant> using dev xubuntu is how the rest of the team got a qa person who moaned all the time - then akxwi-dave joined - having 3 would be great :p
[22:32] <flocculant> some things are generic - and we can't fix them
[22:32] <flocculant> usually found in installation testing for instance
[22:33] <flocculant> but the recent indicator-panel bugs I've found are because I run whatver dev version we are on
[22:33]  * flocculant rambles when given the chance :)
[22:33] <Spass> I understand. Well, I will install dev version on my laptop soon :)
[22:34] <flocculant> http://dev.xubuntu.org/
[22:34] <flocculant> has most of everything - check out the contributor docs - especially the qa ones
[22:35] <flocculant> Spass: cool - just so long as you realise that I will either ask if you've done it - or get someone else to ask 
[22:37] <flocculant> sorry if I hurled you a wall of words :D
[22:37] <Spass> I'll do some reading and research about contributing and I'll reach to you guys.
[22:37] <flocculant> awesome :)
[22:38] <Spass> Some pretty busy days ahead. but later I'll have plenty of free time that I should use for something... useful :)
[22:39] <flocculant> nice :)
[22:40] <Spass> My English can be wobbly sometimes, sorry for that in advance. I'll try to not hurt your eyes.
[22:40] <flocculant> Spass: either akxwi-dave or me are the best people for specific qa things - more general things - just ask, bear in mind that this channel is busy in stages
[22:41] <Spass> I'll try to not interrupt meetings like I did while ago ;)
[22:41] <knome> flocculant's and akxwi-dave's english is messy sometimes... and they're british
[22:41] <flocculant> Spass: no problem we have Finn's, Austrian's, Portuguese people and others who are worse at English - like the English :)
[22:42] <flocculant> knome: I said that - but longer :p
[22:42] <knome> :P
[22:42] <flocculant> akxwi-dave and I type in dialects :D
[22:42]  * knome types with keyboards
[22:42] <knome> ;)
[22:43] <flocculant> ali1234 doesn't - he sighs at me 
[22:43] <flocculant> :)
[23:09] <Spass> I appreciate and thank you all for your kind welcome. I'll try to be here almost everyday and I'll tell you when I'll be ready for some real work.
[23:10] <knome> no worries or hurries
[23:42] <flocculant> if only one could symlink a comment in a logged *buntu channel
[23:42] <knome> hah
[23:42] <flocculant> This would be my *current* fave ...
[23:43] <Spass> But for now, my proposition from #xubuntu - I think that adding gnome-font-viewer would be nice. People who came from Windows may expect, that the OS has some kind of preview app for the font files.
[23:44] <flocculant> oh oh my why why oh why do the CC forsake making signing the CoC  an easy task
[23:44] <flocculant> mhall119: ^^
[23:44] <flocculant> don't try hiding ;)
[23:45] <JackFrost> They're trying to follow a model of using GPG, but a lot of users don't really have it or any other use for it.
[23:46] <flocculant> following a model?
[23:46] <flocculant> mmm
[23:46] <flocculant> or mhm]
[23:47] <knome> like many hockey players
[23:47] <knome> :P
[23:47] <knome> oh wait i thought this was -ot
[23:47] <knome> oh well