[00:00] wxl: if you want more tests, you might have to post on #kubuntu or the list [00:03] wxl: YY and ZZ box tested fine with Konversation on bare metal here. [00:04] valorie: my only concern is i kind of winged the whole freaking thing and i'm not sure everything's perfect. but i guess you're right. and if it worked for DarinMiller there you go :) [00:05] * DarinMiller DarinMiller can break everything so if it is working for him, it must be pretty solid... [00:06] lol [00:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #23: NOW UNSTABLE in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/23/ [00:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #22: NOW UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/22/ [00:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [00:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #67: FIXED in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/67/ [00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #72: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/72/ [00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #64: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/64/ [01:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [01:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_konqueror build #26: FIXED in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_konqueror/26/ [01:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [01:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_konqueror build #39: FIXED in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_konqueror/39/ [01:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed! [01:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_konqueror build #39: FIXED in 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_konqueror/39/ [01:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves build #42: STILL UNSTABLE in 11 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves/42/ [01:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves build #113: STILL UNSTABLE in 12 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves/113/ [01:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves build #71: STILL UNSTABLE in 12 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdesdk-kioslaves/71/ === clivejo is now known as zz_clivejo [09:19] hello [09:19] anyone around? [09:25] the gpgme++ package is outdated [09:25] I can't seem to identigy which is the devel package [09:26] project repo is here: https://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gpgme.git;a=summary [09:29] ovidiuflorin: libgpgmepp-dev pulls in the C++ and Qt bindings and deps [09:29] ovidiuflorin: it is outdated as currently the synced package from debian in zesty is FTBFS [09:30] LP Bug: #1647204 [09:30] Launchpad bug 1647204 in gpgme1.0 (Ubuntu) "1.8.0-2 FTBFS in zesty 17.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647204 [09:32] acheronuk: I'm trying to build kde-pim [09:32] to work on it [09:32] and it requires a dev package for gpgme++ [09:32] ovidiuflorin: ok. 2 secs then. [09:32] something tht contains QGpgmeConfig.cmake [09:33] or qgpgme-config.cmake [09:33] I can't find such packages [09:33] See in KCI: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=gpgme1.0&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= [09:35] I see [09:35] when do you rekon that will get in backports? [09:35] they are bit patched as a temp measure up to make them build on launchpad for KCI, so should not be used on production systems until we have proper vesrions building in the archive [09:37] ovidiuflorin: at the moment I can't say. those gpgme1.0 builds are not KCI'd ones, so you can probably rebuild them where you like for testing purposes [09:39] ah [09:39] bummer [09:39] do they contain the cmake files I need? [09:39] yep [09:39] the project sources from https://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gpgme.git;a=summary don't have cmake [09:39] so I wonder who adds the cmake files [09:43] AFAIK you set build options to make them [09:44] debian packaging https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-gnupg/gpgme.git/tree/ [09:44] I'll be back in about an hour [09:44] and I'll try to build it then [09:44] unless somebody stops me [09:44] * ovidiuflorin makes a "The mask" refference [09:47] ok. the straight debian packaging will not build in a ppa. hence us having one with some hacky patches in KCI to make it work. [10:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kwin build #63: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kwin/63/ [10:53] acheronuk: ping [10:53] where do I get the sources from? [10:55] aha [10:55] I get it now [11:00] got them? dget the dsc file link from the KCI builds [11:03] I don't want to build a pacakge [11:04] I'm not installing it in my system [11:04] I'm installing it in my development environment [11:04] so just the sources are enough [11:04] I'm trying to figure out he build commands from the build log [11:04] but that only shows output, not the actual build commands [11:07] debian/rules may help [11:09] shows the configure commands etc that get passed [11:15] configure does not exist in the repo [11:15] it needs to be generated [11:15] but the INSTALL file gives no info on how to genereate it [11:16] I know I need `autoconf` [11:16] but with what flags? [11:17] I see just the dh commands [11:17] well.. that doesn't help... [11:23] debhelper can detect most of the popular build systems, and you can pass build flags directly to dh_* wrapper [11:24] ovidiuflorin: override_dh_auto_configure: section shows what the packaging passes [11:25] so doing the same would involve [11:25] ./autogen.sh --enable-static --enable-languages="python cpp qt" --infodir=/usr/share/info [11:27] ovidiuflorin: doing that, then running configure and make, builds me the cmake files here [11:28] awesome [11:28] I just need a different prefix for configure [11:28] do I give that to autogen.sh ? [11:28] or just configure? [11:29] acheronuk: ^ [11:30] I just ran ./autogen.sh --enable-static --enable-languages="python cpp qt" --infodir=/usr/share/info [11:30] then as instructed by the output of that [11:30] ok [11:30] thanks [11:31] is that infodir a destination or a source [11:31] ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode && make -j4 [11:31] that's my question [11:31] maintainer mode? [11:32] what's that? [11:33] --infodir= will be an override on where to install some stuff AFAIK. you may want that or not. if you are just wanting the cmake, perhaps not [11:33] no, I need the lib to be used [11:33] and available through cmake [11:34] ovidiuflorin: mainainter mode I'm not sure on. I presume sets some build flags/options, but exactly what I don't know [11:35] I've tried this: $ ./configure --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/home/ovidiu/KDE/install --includedir=\${prefix}/include --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\${prefix}/share/info --sysconfdir=\${prefix}/etc --localstatedir=\${prefix}/var --disable-silent-rules --libdir=\${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --libexecdir=\${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --enable-static "--enable-languages=cpp [11:35] qt" [11:36] * sick_rimmit Enters [11:36] compiling now [11:37] I'll see if install works when it's done [11:37] Got to take dogs for a walk, I be back in a bit. [11:38] ovidiuflorin: I just followed the options from the debian packaging and accepted the default on configure as it suggested. I don't know what the outcome of passing all that extra to configure will be [11:39] the extra is there to ensure the corrent install prefix [11:39] and to not build for python [11:39] since I don't currently care for having that [11:40] acheronuk: when do you think we cound have this thing pacakged? [11:40] in some stable ppa [11:40] you said a proper version [11:40] what does that exactly mean? [11:41] LP Bug: #1647204 [11:41] Launchpad bug 1647204 in gpgme1.0 (Ubuntu) "1.8.0-2 FTBFS in zesty 17.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647204 [11:41] ^^^ needs to be resolved [11:42] Santa *was* working on it. but has vanished for the last 2 weeks [11:44] ovidiuflorin: also an issue for frameworks 5.29 if we want to do that [11:44] from the trello card on that listing issues: [11:44] "Fix gpgme1.0 in proposed (we need this for kwallet-kf5) (WIP by Santa, it's very hard, deadlocks involved)" [11:45] kde-pim cannot be built because of htat [11:45] correct [11:45] and QtWebEngine [11:45] that's what I'm trying to build [11:45] QtWebEngine I have prebuilt from Qt [11:46] I dont' understand the issue of that bug [11:46] either I don't know something, or I'm missing something [11:47] it won't build on ubuntu without relaxing the hardening options, and the LP build system doesn't seem to cope with the post build tests. deadlocks on running gpg-agent for them [11:48] it worked [11:49] * ovidiuflorin is eating some sarmale [11:49] may work locally, but archive builds and their environment are a different thing [11:50] ditto for ppa builds [11:54] acheronuk: do you know anything about qt5webkitwidgets ? [11:55] no, sorry [11:57] kmail seems to need Qt 5.6 [11:57] and I was using 5.7 [11:57] I need to downgrade.... [11:57] yeeeey [11:58] they broke cackwards compatibility with webengine at some point [11:58] IIRC [11:58] this might be it [12:06] nope... [12:06] that doesn't fix it [12:07] I don't knwo if I have patience for this again.... [12:10] :)))) [12:10] I found the issue [12:11] they upgraded the minimum qt version in the `messagelib` library [12:11] to qt 5.6 [12:11] but they still require as dependency a package from qt5.5 [12:11] that does not exist enymore in 5.6 [12:12] which one o.O? [12:12] they also require the updated version [12:12] set(QT_REQUIRED_VERSION "5.6.0") [12:12] find_package(Qt5 ${QT_REQUIRED_VERSION} CONFIG REQUIRED Widgets Network PrintSupport WebEngine WebEngineWidgets WebKitWidgets) [12:12] last module [12:12] ... [12:12] that doesn't exist in 5.6 [12:12] yeah, that's gone [12:13] how is that built anywhere? [12:13] the have the webenginewidgets... [12:13] we might still have that lingering around in the archive [12:13] so I guess they missed it on removing it [12:13] that should fail [12:13] unless you have 2 qt's installed [12:13] in the same place [12:21] libqt5webkit5-dev (5.6.1+dfsg-5ubuntu1) [12:21] provides Qt5WebKitWidgetsConfig.cmake [12:22] that can't be qt 5.6 [12:22] something is wrong there [12:22] http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/libqt5webkit5-dev/filelist [12:23] http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/libqt5webkit5-dev [12:24] 5.6.1+dfsg-4ubuntu1~2 in yakkety [12:24] Qt has some extra modules, might be from that section [12:25] built by qtwebkit-opensource-src [12:36] is this built from master? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/11762257 [12:36] everything's built from master currently [12:37] or should be, unless someone messed with the job config [12:39] I'm having issues building that [12:39] make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/home/ovidiu/KDE/install/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpgme@libsuffix@', needed by 'src/libKF5Libkleo.so.5.4.40'. Stop. [12:39] i guess something is wrong with the gpgme I've built [12:40] it doesn't export the targets right [12:40] so libkleo doesn't find it [12:40] so it seems to me, I'm back to that gpgme package acheronuk [12:42] hm, with the cmake files possibly, as src/libKF5Libkleo.so.5.4.40 references a nonsense path [12:43] but gpgme *and* kleo are now broken here [12:44] well, builds ok in KCI. no idea how functional it is, but it builds [12:44] and all I wanted was to work on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330533 [12:44] KDE bug 330533 in folders "There should be a global setting for Keep replies in the folder of the message being replied to" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [12:44] I dont' have the patience to solve this anymore [12:45] this is a hure roadblock for developers.... [12:45] can't you just take the dev parts from KCI? [12:45] or was something missing? [12:45] I'll get a docker container and add in there all the ppa's [12:45] make a chroot and add KCI repo? [12:45] but not now [12:45] I'm feeling a cold sneaking up on me [12:46] and I'm annoyed right now about this issue (the fact that I've been solving build dependencies for 4 hours now [12:46] and I can't work on the code that I want to work on [12:46] this is freakin' anoying [12:46] I would like to fix the gpgme in the archive that santa was workign on, but I'm not really sure if the hacks santa made to getting it building are acceptable [12:47] I'm taking a break, for now [12:47] I'll work on something else after a nap [12:47] if i can sleep [12:48] ovidiuflorin: best idea if you are getting frustrated [12:48] I don't want to spend my hollydays in bed, sick [12:48] 4 freaking hours !!! [12:48] every f&^$% time [12:48] I never get to do the work I start out to do [12:48] because of this ^*$%^& issue [12:48] * ovidiuflorin out [12:49] I once had a kde4 dev env setup, which literally took days to set up. Today kdesrc-build is supposed to make that easier, but it's still fiddly [12:50] It never does [12:51] At least kdevelop takes 2 hours to set up [12:51] But everything else is just painful [12:51] I have to compile everything myself [12:51] All the KDE packages [12:52] All the GNU packages [12:52] All the extra what evers [12:52] And then keep track of them === zz_clivejo is now known as clivejo [12:52] No wonder so few people join in... [12:52] morning clivejo [12:54] morning? [12:54] well, we have CI images again, so as long as they boot, you should be able to set up a dev VM *fairly* easily [12:54] "zz_clivejo is now known as clivejo" [12:54] maybe [12:54] clivejo: you just woke up [12:54] and it's always morning on IRC XD [12:54] oh [12:54] in IRC land, anyway :P [12:54] I ticked an away box in my BNC yesterday [12:55] so thats what that does! [12:55] Happy Christmas eve [12:56] Merry Christmas clivejo [12:56] I'll be happier day after boxing day. :P [12:56] oh... damn it... [12:57] Ill be much happier after January [12:57] Merry Xmas eve everyone [12:57] January? [12:57] Ive stupid self accessment due on the 31st [12:57] oh... yikes [12:57] Oh, those are anoying [12:57] yup [12:58] designed so you need professional help [12:59] and of course Ill be trying to submit mine that night [12:59] 2 minutes before the deadline! [13:00] anyways, lunch time! [13:01] clivejo: are you ready to hunt down a wren? [13:01] Ive few things to get sorted before Conor arrives [13:02] and tidy up after Baraba, messy *beep* [13:02] Barbara [13:06] * yofel is yet again readin CI code, but has no freakin' clue where it even tries to set the appropriate upstream branch [13:07] yofel: that is one think I wanted to ask. can you set on override so that it fetches a branch other than master? [13:08] e.g. I would like to add labplot2, with ATM is kde4 with a separate kf5 branch [13:08] well, *technically* you can do overrides. Might even work the way it did in the past. [13:08] Problem is that currently there's no pattern matching [13:09] ci-tooling/data/overrides/base.yaml has the overrides [13:09] the old ones [13:09] yes, I saw there was that file with ancient overrides, but was not sure if that still worked [13:09] from what you say, it doesn't [13:10] neither do I, I'm currently trying to understand exactly that code [13:10] because that's the one I would need to fix for stable builds [13:10] * acheronuk shuts up and lets yofel read the ruby [13:11] e.g. if you look at [13:11] '*{debian.org,packaging.neon}*/frameworks/prison': [13:11] '{kubuntu_unstable,Neon/unstable}': [13:11] upstream_scm: [13:11] branch: frameworks [13:11] this should be possible [13:12] maybe '*{git.launchpad.net}*/' would actually work [13:12] Hiyas all [13:12] hey BluesKaj [13:13] hi yofel [13:13] yes, that is what I was wondering, but really had no idea if the code to parse and act on all that still existed [13:13] hm, I think I actually found the point that I need to hook into. As there's a spot where it just sets 'master' as the default upstream branch [13:13] the code should still be there [13:13] should be worth a try [13:13] you just need the correct repo pattern, which I think is the one I just posted [13:14] or hm [13:14] maybe not [13:14] '*{git.launchpad.net}*/kubuntu-packagers/+git/' maybe [13:16] I need to figure out how to setup ruby-xdebug >.< === clivejo is now known as zz_clivejo [13:32] and I need to study some kernel api changes [13:32] but who cares === zz_clivejo is now known as clivejo [13:33] * sick_rimmit Whoops as he finally fixes his ability to post to the kubuntu-devel mailing list [13:33] clivejo: you might want to check whether the BNC can't just set the away flag [13:34] clivejo: you used this? http://wiki.znc.in/Simple_away [13:35] yes, thios could get annoying very quickly! [13:38] * yofel puts up a big note at the door to not forget dr.who tomorrow [13:42] Hmmm - Struggling to compile kdevelop-xdebug - am getting an error with QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR but can't find anything in the docs to help me solve what this needs [13:45] ubottu kdevelop [13:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about kdevelop [13:45] !info kdevelop [13:45] kdevelop (source: kdevelop): integrated development environment for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1628 kB, installed size 6494 kB [13:45] !info kdev-xdebug [13:45] Package kdev-xdebug does not exist in yakkety [13:45] !info kdevelop-xdebug [13:45] Package kdevelop-xdebug does not exist in yakkety [13:45] hmm [13:46] not in CI either it seems [13:47] I'm so close with this setup - I have VM Configured, Kdevelop 5 with everything accept Xdebug plugin... [13:47] the path you need *should* be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/ on amd64 [13:47] no clue right now where that's supposed to be set though [13:47] there was something to get those paths [13:47] yofel: I think that might be what I need, or some variant of it [13:48] I'll have a play about [13:48] yofel: Thanks :-D [13:48] is it part of the php or python plugin? [13:48] its the PHP Debugger [13:48] xdebug is a seperate debugger lib, not really bound to a language [13:48] have you installed the kdevelop-php packages? [13:49] It provides Xdebug support in Kdevelop, so that Xdebug running on the Host can callback to Kdevelop to provide step through, and debug tracing etc... [13:49] clivejo: that's seperate https://cgit.kde.org/kdev-xdebug.git/ [13:50] worst case, ask kevin [13:50] * sick_rimmit Get's dragged off the sofa to go and visit the inlaws [13:50] I'll try those paths when I get back later.. [13:50] Thanks [13:50] ttfn [13:52] kfunk: are you working on kdev-xdebug? === efm__ is now known as efm [16:38] so, I think I have something now... [16:41] except that it ignores frameworks :S [18:15] yofel: was it not originally intended to ignore frameworks and always do them from master no matter what? [18:15] acheronuk: frameworks already has master, so originally, the unstable build for frameworks was copied to the stable ppa post-build to not do the job twice [18:16] s/already/only/ [18:16] someone review https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling/commit/?h=stable_build_rework&id=23fc87f1eb5bd455bca832359b8de116cfd941c8 [18:16] already kind of does the job [18:17] but it's spaghetticode [18:18] I cant make head nor tail of that :( [18:18] hence spaghetti code. And there's a fair amount of pattern matching involved [18:20] I think Id need to learn ruby to even attempt to understand what it is doing [18:21] yofel: ah. right. I've seen "not frameworks so not copying" console messages, so that explains those :) [18:21] what is build_type? [18:21] un/stable [18:25] so that change _should_ set the branch correctly for stable SC? [18:25] yes, except that we'll be double-building frameworks [18:25] hm, and it crashed on kdegraphics-strigi-analysers [18:25] as that's not a valid thing anymore it seems [18:27] no idea what that is! [18:27] !info kdegraphics-strigi-analysers [18:27] Package kdegraphics-strigi-analysers does not exist in yakkety [18:27] !info kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer xenial [18:27] kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer (source: kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer): graphics file format plugins for Strigi Desktop Search. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 10 kB, installed size 40 kB [18:28] that's not a thing in yakkety [18:29] how do we handle such EOL stuff? [18:29] needs to be got rid of then! [18:29] delete the _un/stable branch? [18:29] I'll kick it out of the project list for now [18:30] together with the other strigi stuff [18:32] theres a yakkety branch :/ [18:33] from early dev I guess [18:33] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer [18:33] kdgantt2 is also dead [18:44] oh urgh, frameworks will need special casing for this to work right, as frameworks shouldn't have a _stable branch [18:44] back to figuring out how that worked again [20:28] Merry Christmas to and to all a Good Night! :-) [21:21] VikingRedwolf was removed by: VikingRedwolf [21:32] who was VikingRedwolf? [22:04] @clivejo, Simon's friend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rafaellaguna I think? [22:06] oh nice [22:13] happy Christmas everyone [22:13] house is ready, so of course my husband is browsing youtube on the TV [22:14] just saw a guy set his pool on fire and put it out with liquid nitrogen [22:15] @acheronuk, Correct [22:16] set his pool on fire?!? [22:16] indeed [22:16] clivejo: anything else from your PPA I should test? [22:17] kdeconnect in particular [22:17] * sick_rimmit Enters with a glass of scotch, and Christmas cheer [22:17] Merry Christmas friends [22:17] yummmm [22:17] valorie: Saw that video a few weeks ago, but if I said something I would have been scolded by Aaron :S [22:17] * valorie clicks glasses with sick_rimmit [22:18] * valorie has boozy coffee [22:18] Merry Christmas Rick! :) [22:18] {{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}} [22:18] merry Christmas! [22:18] Merry Xmas all :) [22:19] * acheronuk puts large amounts of brandy in a hot chocolate [22:19] @acheronuk, :O I thought the majority if not all of the Britains were Christians! [22:20] No i think it is only a few these days [22:20] @tsimonq2, No. Why ruin Xmas by bringing religion into it? [22:20] My family and I will be at Church tomorrow, and if we're lucky there will one other family [22:20] @acheronuk, *facepalm* that's the point [22:21] :O what have you guys become!?! [22:21] @tsimonq2, not MY point [22:21] On the park opposite, there is a grafitti wall. Which a new peice of art [22:22] tsimonq2: what are you blathering about [22:22] It's Santa with a Red Face and Sharp teeth, and the words "Satan Clause" [22:22] On ways total off topic so I'll shut up, but I thought it was funny [22:23] Lol sick_rimmit [22:23] clivejo: How I'm unfairly treated. :P [22:24] We've got alot of posts on Facebook, saying I am an Atheist, but wishing you Merry Xmas [22:24] We thought that was very funny [22:25] X is the Greek for Christ? [22:26] HAHAHAHAHAH very funny [22:27] have another brandy, then you care less about semantics ;) [22:27] Oooo Good Idea! [22:29] (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MJ70Yr0i/file_1540.mp4 [22:29] lots of old headstone here are marked "IHS" [22:30] @acheronuk, Gif was in response to this [22:30] Hehehehe [22:30] the name Christus , spelt "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ", hence the X in Xmas [22:32] well, I just use it because it's shorter typing, and "happy holidays" sounds naff [22:32] Happy Stuffing your face until you feel sick [22:33] @clivejo, Now you have the real meaning of Xmas :P [22:33] * sick_rimmit give his trusty wooden nativity model a trusy pat [22:34] * clivejo watches The Grand Tour [22:37] * sick_rimmit wonders why Kdevelop find and replace loses hands down to grep [22:38] tonight we just have sandwiches, munchies, hot cider etc. [22:38] tomorrow there will be dinner at Bob's brother's [22:39] clivejo: What did you get Max for Christmas? [22:55] Any of you uses hp laptop? [22:56] @marcinsagol, Toshiba here. Though about a HP, but saw lot's of ubuntu forums posts where people had probs with them. UEFI boot issues etc [22:58] Right. My brother has new one. In the network manager there is no WiFi section and I don't know why. Is it blocked on hardware level somehow? On windows 10 on the same machine it works. [22:59] Toshiba here too [23:15] Mostly habit, but never had much issue putting linux on a Toshiba laptop. Others I have had hassle with... [23:15] so tend to go for thsoe [23:22] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/BfWROFU2/file_1544.jpg [23:23] ? [23:24] She's supposed to be "broadcasting" using that CB radio [23:24] yet its not even connected to an antenna [23:24] duh