[00:02] <BlizzLeon> What is the best way to go about supporting hardware which does not show up in cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[00:10] <ubuntu-mate> oi
[00:10] <OerHeks> BlizzLeon, no ID from lspci or lsusb ?
[00:10] <ubuntu-mate> oi
[00:13] <BlizzLeon> OerHeks, Afraid not, the hardware is old enough to be attached over serial, although I doubt it.
[00:15] <ubuntu-mate> oi
[00:15] <ubuntu-mate> oi
[00:17] <ubuntu-mate> oi
[00:21] <BlizzLeon> OerHeks, A little more information: I am looking to support the hardware buttons of a tablet. They work in GRUB to select the OS but as soon as I reach Ubuntu, I can't find any trace of them being there at all.
[00:25] <OerHeks> BlizzLeon, odd as they seem to basicly work. what tablet is this?
[00:28] <arooni> question; in security + privacy settings i told ubuntu not to show/index anything in it.  and yet in my dashboard on 16.04 it still shows these files.  what to do?
[00:29] <odroid> hello, I have an Odroid C2 and I wonder how can I install Lubuntu.
[00:31] <BlizzLeon> OerHeks, It is a Motion Computing J3500 - there are a couple of threads about trying to get the hardware buttons working but they are long dead.
[00:32] <LissajousPattern> wow now i just feel like someone is messing with me. there is a folder in the .cache/mozilla/firefox/****.default/cahe2 labled doomed
[00:39] <OerHeks> BlizzLeon, no idea, there seem to be more than one version, and no promissing search results sofar.
[00:40] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: doomed appears defailr. My FF install " drwxr-xr-x 2 sysop sysop  4096 Dec 23 18:38 doomed " .
[00:40] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: defailr/default*
[00:41] <LissajousPattern> i guess i am doomed by default then
[00:41] <LissajousPattern> thanks :)
[00:42] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: I am as stumped here as you . Maybe consider the result of installing chromium-browser ?
[00:43] <LissajousPattern> it crashes as well
[00:43] <LissajousPattern> midori as well
[00:43] <LissajousPattern> every browser i have tried crashes
[00:43] <LissajousPattern> thunderbird crashes
[00:43] <Bashing-om> Loshki: Yuk ! .. A ram and or swap issue ?
[00:44] <BlizzLeon> OerHeks, that's the conclusion I came to - I have noticed a couple of things that confused be though. In xinput list, there are 2 power buttons listed but under xinput test, only one of them shows any activity when the power button is pressed but neither respond to the other hardware buttons.
[00:45] <LissajousPattern> i feel like i have gone so far down a rabbit hole here that my ears wont be long enough for anyone to reach in and pull me out
[00:47] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: The only commonality that I can see with any browser crashing is ram related . Have you ran a memory test ?
[00:47] <LissajousPattern> how would i go about that?
[00:48] <LissajousPattern> i was talking with someone earlier and they said something to that effect as well
[00:49] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: Booting the live desktop installer to the boot options screen, there is an option to run the mem test . If ya can boot the installed system in grub's advanced menu also is that option ( providing this is not a EFI machine ).
[00:50] <LissajousPattern> ok
[00:51] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: Ya want at least 3 passes .. and preferably let it run all night for a good test .
[00:53] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: How much ram do you have installed ?- by the way .
[00:53] <LissajousPattern> 1.5GB
[00:55] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: Should be fine for the lighter editions . The heavy weight desk tops need 2 gigs and more .
[00:55] <LissajousPattern> and everything was fine before the last update
[00:55] <LissajousPattern> yeah i have trie lubuntu and xubutu
[00:55] <LissajousPattern> sorry for the typos i am just flat out tired
[00:57] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: Nother thought then is to see what 14.04.1 is like // I stress the .1 .. and that will maintain the trustry 3.13 series kernel.
[00:57] <LissajousPattern> i have literally gone through 4-5 installs
[00:57] <LissajousPattern> just today
[00:57] <Tatou> Hello fellow friends
[00:58] <Tatou> I want to learn some basic sysadmit stuff.. for devops.
[00:58] <Tatou> What's a good path for this?
[00:58] <LissajousPattern> and i had a perfectly functioning install of lubuntu on this exact machine less than a week ago
[00:58] <james1138> Hello and Happy Holidays! Question about Claws-Mail and vcalendar plugin. Anyone managed to sync with Google Calendar?
[00:58] <LissajousPattern> and an update hit and then bam no browsers
[00:59] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: Tired and frustrated, I can understand . As all releases do not perform it sure looks to be hardware related - somewhere .
[00:59] <LissajousPattern> i just tried to re-seat the ram and the traces looked ok and everything
[01:00] <LissajousPattern> i will do a mem test though
[01:01] <Bashing-om> LissajousPattern: The test will take a bit of time .. about 3 hours ?? for the preliminary ?
[01:09] <Dalek_Breath> Hi... Can anyone tell me what "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" means in my dmesg?
[01:09] <freqnasty> no
[01:10] <raspery3> hallo
[01:13] <Guest60127> ok pps, way outa practice here, but I'm stumped
[01:14] <Guest60127> can anyone help me get my parallel printer, with new parallel port add-on card recognized?
[01:15] <freqnasty> no
[01:15] <bazhang> thats not helpful freqnasty
[01:16] <bazhang> what does linuxprinting.org say about that printer, Guest60127
[01:16] <bazhang> check their database
[01:17] <Guest60127> k, will try
[01:18] <Guest60127> although I don't think its the printer, which is a laserjet 2100
[01:18] <freqnasty> :)
[01:19] <Guest60127> the problem seems to be that the add-on card is blocking it ie OS can't see the printer
[01:19] <freqnasty> ok
[01:19] <bazhang> freqnasty, did you have an ubuntu support issue
[01:19] <bazhang> take the chit chat elsewhere, if not freqnasty
[01:27] <Dalek_Breath> Hi... Can anyone tell me what "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" means in my dmesg?
[01:28] <user16> could be your mouse dalek
[01:30] <Guest60127> pls: need some help: lsmod | grep par is giving me some results, but I'm stumped otherwise
[01:31] <Ben64> Guest60127: ls /dev/lp*
[01:32] <Guest60127> Ben64: tried that, all that's returned is 'no such file or directory'
[01:33] <Guest60127> Ben64: and yes, I tried subsituting numbers for the *, same nada result
[01:33] <Ben64> then you don't have a parallel port (according to the OS)
[01:34] <Guest60127> Ben64: ty...although lshw recognizes the add-on cards with the parallel port
[01:36] <Ben64> Guest60127: what does lshw say
[01:39] <Guest60127> Ben64: trying to find it, seems more difficult to do so now
[01:40] <Guest60127> Ben64: lsmod | grep par still gives me 2 results
[01:41] <Ben64> that's not really significant unless you have a /dev/lp0
[01:41] <Ben64> could also do lspci or lsusb depending on how it's connected
[01:42] <Guest60127> the first parport _pc is now numbered "0", and the one numbered "3" has always been: lp,ppdev,parport_pc
[01:42] <Ben64> i have the same, and i disabled my parallel port
[01:43] <Guest60127> hmmm lspci doesn't seem to see the parallel card
[01:45] <edaq> has anyone here gotten an error unaligned pointer 0xffffffff when trying to boot an install medium?
[01:45] <Guest60127> does this mean I'm stuck with an lpt1 or nothing? that lpt1 header on the mobo doesn't do much good if I can't use it OR a parallel port add-on card
[01:46] <freqnasty> bummer.
[01:48] <Ben64> Guest60127: i'm sure there is a way, but i haven't messed with parallel in many years
[01:49] <Ben64> Guest60127: seems like it could be /dev/pp or /dev/parport* as well
[01:51] <Guest60127> Ben64: "no such file or..." again
[01:51] <Guest60127> back to swapping cards, searches, reading... ttyl
[01:52] <edaq> anyone here had difficulty with the unaligned pointer problem?
[01:53] <edaq> anyone here had difficulty with the unaligned pointer problem?
[01:53] <edaq> strange
[01:53] <bazhang> patience please edaq
[01:55] <user16> unaligned pointer? edaq.. what is your install medium?
[01:55] <edaq> USB
[01:55] <edaq> (the pc has no cd
[01:55] <edaq> (horrible trying to install to it
[01:55] <edaq> honsetly I have tried 5 OS's
[01:56] <edaq> Lubuntu Ubuntu Linux Mint Puppy
[01:56] <edaq> other people seem to have success with this particular one though
[01:56] <user16> i like using dd if=/yourimage of=/dev/usbx
[01:56] <edaq> tried different usb
[01:56] <edaq> yeah that too
[01:56] <edaq> tried that
[01:56] <edaq> Unetbootin
[01:56] <edaq> and cp
[01:57] <user16> i used to get lots of errors with usb  live/install
[01:57] <edaq> cp iso /dev/sdb0
[01:57] <user16> BTW does it run live at all?
[01:57] <edaq> yeah
[01:57] <edaq> no just goes to grub OEM install thing
[01:57] <edaq> tried with and without secure boot
[01:57] <edaq> with and without legacy
[01:57] <user16> i would say likely a format error.. your install image not really there
[01:58] <edaq> maybe
[01:58] <edaq> or the quality of the stick
[01:58] <edaq> stick(s)
[01:58] <edaq> I am reinstalling the iso the the usb now
[01:58] <edaq> will be retrying in a sec
[01:58] <user16> lububntu probably has worked out secure and legacy boot bugs
[01:58] <edaq> (been trying for about a week
[01:59] <edaq> lubuntu?
[01:59] <edaq> wouldnt they be behind ubuntu
[01:59] <user16> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/usbx
[01:59] <ralex> so im tryinng ubuntu 16.10 on a Dell Inspiron and was able to get it installed just fine.  However this laptop comes with a broadcom bluetooth so I used an article to try to get it working
[01:59] <ralex> after doing the article, the bluetooth still isnt working
[01:59] <user16> will really knock out everything on your usb
[01:59] <Bashing-om> edaq: A thought . there is " check disk for defects" in the installer (desktop) boot options menu .
[02:00] <edaq> yeah, did not work, gave a pointer error also
[02:00] <user16> i am running mate 16.10
[02:00] <ralex> the article i used was this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/632336/bluetooth-broadcom-43142-isnt-working-on-ubuntu
[02:00] <edaq> oh
[02:00] <edaq> did you use a proprietary driver ralex
[02:00] <edaq> my system had the same issue
[02:00] <edaq> had to get the broadcom driver for it
[02:01] <ralex> oh. do i have to remove the wifi driver as well?
[02:01] <ralex> from the additional drivers?
[02:01] <edaq> I had to install broadcom propietary driver
[02:02] <edaq> then I installed wicd
[02:02] <edaq> (then some other thing for it to show up on the panel)
[02:02] <edaq> on my lubuntu I had to use etho cable for awhile because it did not want to install the broadcom from online
[02:03] <edaq> told me to insert the disc
[02:03] <edaq> that particular lubuntu could not install from disc player hooked to usb
[02:03] <edaq> so had to grab the package and install it with gdebi
[02:03] <ralex> yeah i installed the broadcom driver that was on the install media
[02:03] <edaq> interesting
[02:04] <edaq> do you have wicd installed?
[02:04] <ralex> no i just installed it
[02:04] <edaq> if you cannot get it working using wicd, then I am out of ideas on that one
[02:04] <ralex> but when you download like 16.04 or 16.10, you can search the cd/usb for bcmwl and copy that to the hd.. then dkms then copy that
[02:04] <ralex> so i got the wifi working but the bluetooth cant connect to my phone
[02:05] <edaq> oh
[02:05] <edaq> hm
[02:05] <edaq> I dont use bluetooth
[02:05] <edaq> that might be another thing
[02:10] <edaq> mkay user16
[02:10] <edaq> just tried again with fresh image
[02:11] <edaq> got this alloc magic is broken at 0x1ff8ac8-: 1fda3400
[02:11] <edaq> that is strange
[02:12] <edaq> strangest thing I have ever seen while trying to install a system :P
[02:14] <user16> hmm
[02:14] <user16> try really scrubbing your usb stick
[02:14] <edaq> hm
[02:14] <user16> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/media/usbx bs=50MB
[02:15] <edaq> I will try that
[02:15] <user16> i was surprised how fast dd runs on linux 4+
[02:15] <user16> usbx being of course your usb?
[02:15] <edaq> I thought Unetbootin does that by default
[02:16] <edaq> ie: wiping and formatting
[02:16] <user16> it is supposed to.. but you said it multiple installs distros on the same usb stick
[02:16] <edaq> I have been trying with 4 different sticks
[02:16] <user16> really erase it with dd
[02:16] <edaq> will do
[02:17] <user16> i think dd runs maybe twice as fast on ubuntu 16+
[02:17] <ralex> ok sweet. i got bluetooth working
[02:18] <edaq> user16, should I do it with dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb1 bs=50MB
[02:18] <edaq> or use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/media/USB bs=50MB
[02:18] <user16> umm where your usb is what is important
[02:18] <user16> likely /dev/sdb1
[02:19] <user16> if your usb stick starts LED flashing you know you got it
[02:19] <LissajousPattern> so firefox works on my fresh install of xubuntu as of just this minute. i did not allow the distro to update during install nor install third party software and magically it works
[02:19] <user16> just DONT /dev/sda1 or similar
[02:21] <LissajousPattern> edaq, you can also install iotop to see the reads and writes of drives it must be run as sudo.
[02:21] <edaq> a
[02:22] <edaq> nice idea
[02:22] <edaq> mkay user16 it is dd ing
[02:22] <Bashing-om> edaq: Ya want to work with the device ( sdb _+ not the partirion ; something like ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' .
[02:23] <edaq> ah
[02:23] <user16> 4MB?
[02:24] <user16> the && sync show some output? i never got that part going
[02:25] <Bashing-om> user16: To get live stats from dd; something like ' dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero | pv | sudo dd bs=1M of=/dev/<drive> ' .
[02:26] <user16> mmhmm
[02:26] <edaq> hm
[02:26] <LissajousPattern> or just use iotop
[02:26] <edaq> the dd takes forever on this stick
[02:26] <edaq> weirdness
[02:27] <user16> how many Gigabytes edaq?
[02:27] <edaq> 4gb
[02:27] <user16> i think about ten minutes
[02:28] <edaq> could be because dev urandom has to generate the entropy
[02:28] <edaq> ie dev/urandom wont give bits if there arent random bits to give
[02:29] <edaq> so in theory it could be moving slower because I am not generating much entropy
[02:31] <blackflow> edaq: urandom will ALWAYS return
[02:31] <edaq> doesn't it delay though?
[02:31] <blackflow> you're thinkg of /dev/random (note no u) that blocks when entropy is depleted
[02:31] <edaq> oh
[02:31] <edaq> that makes sense
[02:31] <edaq> my stick is just slow :P
[02:31] <edaq> lol
[02:31] <user16> i never saw bashing-om's /dev/zero before either
[02:32] <blackflow> but if you're concerend with entropy, you can always install haveged, it works out of the box
[02:33] <user16> if i am right sometimes the grub and worse yet EFI partitions remain even after most formatting
[02:34] <blackflow> edaq: urandom is also slow. you're better of with dev/zero
[02:34] <blackflow> (slow but nonblocking)
[02:34] <edaq> ah makes sense now
[02:34] <edaq> I used dd zero for making swapfiles
[02:34] <edaq> very fast
[02:37] <user16> has anyone gotten torsocks to work? i have torbrowser but would really like it in a proxy
[02:37] <edaq> actually I could not get it to work on mine
[02:37] <edaq> torsocks I mean
[02:38] <edaq> but that does not mean it cant be done(I suck with port forwarding etc)
[02:39] <user16> most of the blogs i read are several years old for torsocks and on ubuntu it is a couple months
[02:40] <edaq> I will be back in 30min
[02:48] <tarelerulz> Is there away to get what a device is really called via a command?
[02:48] <bazhang> sudo lshw tarelerulz
[02:51] <kk4ewt> also lspci  and lsudb
[02:51] <bazhang> usb
[02:51] <kk4ewt> lsusb yes
[02:54] <tarelerulz> It is usb bluetooth dongle that came with a mouse.  It works ,but it some off band called proht.
[02:55] <bazhang> tarelerulz, if the output gives you an eight character code, you websearch with that
[02:59] <tarelerulz> out of what bazhang a command or modle number serial number ?
[03:00] <MBP_> hey, quick question. i'm trying to install a program that isn't in the package manager. comes as a self-contained tar.gz file which includes the binary and everything else
[03:00] <MBP_> what folder do you put programs like this in? /opt?
[03:00] <bazhang> tarelerulz, from the lspci/lsusb
[03:00] <MBP_> or /usr/share? /usr/local? /usr? etc
[03:00] <bazhang> which program MBP_
[03:00] <MBP_> in this case it's cryptocat, but had the same issue with eclipse before
[03:01] <MBP_> eclipse's installer wasn't working on my system for some reason, apt's package was way out of date, so just downloaded to install manually
[03:01] <MBP_> it's a pretty generic use case that pops up every so often
[03:02] <Amm0n> MBP_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[03:03] <kk4ewt> MBP_,  general rule is its not in a distro, it goes in /opt
[03:03] <MBP_> Amm0n thanks, seen it. different distros do things differently. in this case my instinct would be to put it in /opt, but i'm wondering if that's right here
[03:04] <MBP_> ok, thanks. very helpful
[03:05] <MBP_> and people just change the path then to include /opt/whatever in it?
[03:08] <tarelerulz> if anyone reads this  keep boxes with  detailed  information for Linux .  Don't get off band stuff.  USB seems like works and that is it.
[03:48] <d0048> guy, is there anyway I can move the close and minimize button to the up-right of the windows in unity?
[03:48] <xangua> d0048: no
[03:49] <d0048> xangua, how come...
[03:50] <ubp> cuz unity
[03:50] <d0048> well,fine-/ -
[03:51] <Bashing-om> d0048: As I understand it , that placement is hard coded .
[03:52] <ubp> i prefer xfce
[03:54] <Bashing-om> xfce is configurable :)
[03:55] <ubp> very much so, which is why i enjoy it
[03:55] <mainlymono1> yup
[03:55] <mainlymono1> I try to get away from very cuztomizable DEs because I often procrastinate with them. :D
[03:56] <ubp> it's usually my first order of business
[04:02] <yangm97> is it just me or ubuntu is acting up? running `apt update` on 16.04 and 16.04.1 live cd  returns a nice "can't move old database out the place", running `apt install --yes debootstrap gdisk zfs-initramfs` on 16.10 returns "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to install updated status of 'zfs-zed': No such file or directory"
[04:02] <yangm97> tried with two different usb devices
[04:02] <yangm97> both uefi and bios mode
[04:03] <yangm97> I'm trying to follow this guide: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu%2016.10%20Root%20on%20ZFS
[04:03] <yangm97> getting stuck on the very early steps
[04:07] <Guest97163> สวัสดี
[04:08] <Guest97163> มีเรื่องจะสอบถามมีใครพิมไทยได้ไหมครับ
[04:08] <andrex> !en > Guest97163
[04:08] <andrex> !utf > Guest97163
[04:09] <Guest97163> ไม่มีใครพิมไทยได้หรอครับ
[04:12] <Random832> !th | Guest97163
[04:13] <Random832> oh he's gone. and the factoid doesn't have a message *in* Thai, which might have made it less helpful
[04:14] <Sweepyoface> there's a whole channel just for thailand?
[04:59] <LinuxNovice> hello, which DE between Xfce and Mate is more lightweight and is suitable for old laptops?
[05:00] <nathan> LinuxNovice, they're  basically equivalent at this point
[05:01] <LinuxNovice> ok. which one is more preferred?
[05:01] <angel_> alguien habla español
[05:01] <nathan> LinuxNovice, xfce has a history of being slightly lighter, but Mate is far more common these days
[05:01] <nathan> Ubuntu Mate is probably the prime distro for the raspberry pi
[05:01] <LinuxNovice> Why is Mate more common?
[05:01] <nathan> so I'd suggest going with that one
[05:01] <xangua> LinuxNovice: lxde is lighter, but both xfce and mate have more features by default
[05:02] <LinuxNovice> I wanted to choose between Mate and Xfce
[05:02] <nathan> Easy choice is go Mate
[05:03] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try Mate.
[05:03] <nathan> Mate used to be called Gnome 2, and it was the most common desktop before the current generation of fancy
[05:04] <kang0> Anyone has tried Max Linux distros?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: How about making up liveUSBs of each and see which "you" like the better ?
[05:05] <LinuxNovice> I'll try that too. I needed a very lightweight distro for my very old laptop.
[05:05] <kang0> I too needed
[05:06] <leaftype> LinuxNovice, how old? It's best to know what sort of specs we're dealing with - Ram, processor speed, that sort of thing
[05:06] <xangua> LinuxNovice: if it's that old and you have experience with Linux, Lubuntu might be a here fit
[05:06] <kang0> 1gb ram leaftype
[05:06] <xangua> But you haven't really tell your specs, besides "very old"
[05:07] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: consider " Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware." .
[05:07] <LinuxNovice> t is 11 years old. Runs on Intel Celeron M Single core 1.5 Ghz processor with 2 gb ram.
[05:07] <LinuxNovice> how about LXLE?
[05:07] <omarramo> hey guys, I have a amd rx470. what graphic driver should I be using with 16.04? I tried amd gpu and padoka ppa and both give me tearing issues and low performance (just when watching videos/working, no games)
[05:08] <xangua> I have Lubuntu in one of those LinuxNovice (only difference 1.7 GHz)
[05:08] <xangua> LinuxNovice: and recently reinstalled Lubuntu 64 bits after living a lie for ten years thinking it only supported 32 bits
[05:08] <LinuxNovice> ok. Lxde is more suited for such old machines, I suppose.
[05:09] <LinuxNovice> but, my laptop is of 32 bits.
[05:09] <leaftype> maybe, but the biggest thing you'll deal with isn't the DE in that case
[05:09] <leaftype> Firefox will kill it before LXDE or Mate matters
[05:09] <xangua> Didn't I just say Celeron M supports 64 bits?
[05:10] <LinuxNovice> what is the advantage of using 64 bits Lxde on a 32 bit machine.
[05:10] <LinuxNovice> ?
[05:10] <xangua> Firefox runs fine,. Just disable smooth scrolling
[05:12] <leaftype> if Firefox runs fine, so will any "lightweight" DE. Mate, KDE 3, lxde, xfce - they're all a LOT lighter than firefox is these days. But ohwell, it's not worth arguing over
[05:12] <pissin_on_myself> lxde is good
[05:12] <pissin_on_myself> im using it right now
[05:12] <pissin_on_myself> on a hp stream piece of crapbook
[05:13] <MichaelP> for conky-manager any ppa's for 16.10 ? apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa seems to be for 16.04
[05:13] <jake__> s
[05:14] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, can I use Lubutu 64 bit on my laptop? It's a 32 bit machine.
[05:14] <leaftype> LinuxNovice, no
[05:15] <MichaelP> you can use 32 bit os on 64 bit pc... but no 64 on a 32
[05:16] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try Lubuntu and Mate 32 bit, then.
[05:16] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: ' grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo ' If you see "lm" in red, it's 64 bits. Otherwise it's 32 bits.// xangua would not mislead you :)
[05:17] <LinuxNovice> grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo      what is this?
[05:18] <shadowlast> ...
[05:19] <LinuxNovice> I am new to Linux.
[05:19] <MichaelP> LinuxNovice: Looks like it giving CPU info only a geek can understand
[05:19] <shadowlast> me too
[05:20] <leaftype> you could also type "lscpu"
[05:20] <LinuxNovice> where?
[05:20] <leaftype> are you on linux right now?
[05:21] <LinuxNovice> yes.
[05:21] <leaftype> open a program called the terminal
[05:21] <leaftype> on ubuntu, you can press ctrl+alt+t
[05:21] <leaftype> rather, the keys control, alt, and 't', at the same time
[05:21] <LinuxNovice> ok. I got it.
[05:22] <LinuxNovice> It's a 32 bit machine.
[05:22] <leaftype> there ya go
[05:22] <xangua> :-(
[05:22] <leaftype> the more you use linux, the more likely you'll star tplaying with the terminal
[05:22] <leaftype> it's WAY faster and more flexible than graphical buttons and menus
[05:22] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[05:23] <LinuxNovice> Will have to learn CLI.
[05:23] <leaftype> great. The more you learn, the more amazing it becomes.
[05:23] <Rochvellon> LinuxNovice: grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo shows all skills the cpu can use eg. fpu stands for floating point unit
[05:23] <LinuxNovice> I can use 32 bit editions only, on this machine, then.
[05:24] <LinuxNovice> do I need to type grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo  in the terminal?
[05:24] <Rochvellon> sure
[05:26] <shadowlast>  /newserver
[05:27] <MichaelP> Is there no conky manager for 16.10 ?
[05:27] <leaftype> Rochvellon, what does the 'lm' mean?
[05:27] <LinuxNovice> I'll try Lubuntu 32 bit.
[05:27] <leaftype> nvm, figured it out
[05:30] <Rochvellon> leaftype: i think it's for monitoring things such like the temperature. You can read this with lm-sensors
[05:31] <leaftype> Rochvellon, it's a flag for "long mode", meaning it's 64 bit capable
[05:31] <Rochvellon> ah, ok, thank you
[05:32] <leaftype> Rochvellon, thank stackexchange :)
[05:51] <xypher> hi
[05:52] <leaftype> hi
[06:06] <nrj> just installed ubuntu sdk qt any idea where to start
[06:48] <frostwire124> We'd I on TV? It's love
[06:48] <frostwire124> Was
[06:54] <plgnet> hello
[07:04] <trevor> hello
[07:05] <dikiaap> hello
[07:31] <ryuk_> hi
[07:39] <dezserps> hello!
[07:41] <nicy0001> hello!
[07:41] <dezserps> Hello!
[08:06] <trams_>  hi guys
[08:31] <foo> I have a few IPs from this: 5.126.125.94 - I want to know, where is 5.126.*.* from? I assume an IP uses this in some part of the world, likely Iran - but I want to be sure. Anyway to check this?
[08:37] <slashcom> ....
[08:45] <trams_>  want to know how could i bypass an icloud
[09:02] <onla> anyone know if this still applies https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=166161  dual boot with laptop that has uefi.. grub missing the win partition etc
[09:13] <Bob> how do i join those channel
[09:13] <Bob> i barley use these webchats
[09:13] <Bob> #kali-linux i click on it but nothing
[09:14] <Bob> hey everyone
[09:14] <Bob> i had a question
[09:14] <Bob> i have kali linux on VMware
[09:14] <Bob> trying to hack a wifi
[09:14] <xangua> Bob: wrong channel, wrong network
[09:15] <Bob> ssooo there's this step where i have to use comand 'macchanger'
[09:15] <Bob> is it really wrong
[09:15] <Bob> :( damn man i am confused i cant find anywhere to solve my problem
[09:15] <Bob> where should i go?
[10:11] <ObrienDave> Merry Krishna and Bah! Humbug! to all ;P
[10:14] <iamxoli> hello
[10:14] <iamxoli> everbyody
[10:16] <xangua> Hohoho
[10:17] <Wulf> Muhaha
[10:17] <ObrienDave> Bingle Jells! ;P
[10:18] <onla> whats the linux mint irc c7annel
[10:18] <Wulf> onla: How did you manage to type 7 instead of h? Strange keyboard layout?
[10:18] <xangua> !Mint | onla
[10:19] <onla> heh.. phone that has dvorak.  if press h down too long it makes it 7
[10:19] <Wulf> :)
[10:21] <onla> ok thanks.  hmm oh well my problem is not mint related tho.  getting i/o error when trying to install from live cd.  Guess there's nothing to do but to change media.  md5 hash is ok
[10:21] <ikonia> onla: problem is mint related
[10:22] <Wulf> onla: error while reading from cd or while writing to hdd?
[10:22] <ikonia> the mint support resources can help you
[10:22] <onla> i hawe had that problem on same usb stick installing ubuntu too earlier iirc
[10:22] <ikonia> please take it to the mint channels
[10:22] <ikonia> (or support resources)
[10:22] <onla> Wulf: while writing to hdd
[10:23] <Wulf> onla: ask Santa to give you a new one tonight
[11:00] <sgo11> hi, I have a partition D:\ drive with size 100GB in windows xp and I delete some files which I don't want anyone to recover by using recovery tools. Without format, can I simply create a 100GB.bin file by dd in ubuntu and paste this to the D drive in windows to prevent the recovery? is this a good method? thanks.
[11:01] <ikonia> ???? what
[11:01] <ikonia> "dd in ubuntu" ???
[11:01] <sgo11> ikonia, dd command.
[11:01] <ikonia> I know what the command is
[11:01] <ikonia> but what does "dd in ubuntu"
[11:02] <ikonia> why are you referencing windows driver letters in relation to linux
[11:02] <sgo11> ikonia, dd if=/dev/zero of=100GB.bin bs=1 count=0 seek=100G
[11:02] <ikonia> sgo11: why would you create an empty 100gb file ?
[11:02] <sgo11> ikonia, ok, it seems my question does not make any sense in English.
[11:03] <ikonia> sgo11: what is your end goal ?
[11:03] <ikonia> maybe that will clarify
[11:04] <sgo11> ikonia, I put this file to the D drive partition in windows to prevent data recovery of that D partition in windows. my end goal is to prevent recovery of deleted files in my windows partition.
[11:04] <ikonia> sgo11: are you trying to "blank" the windows machine ?
[11:04] <ikonia> or the windows partition ?
[11:05] <Ben64> sgo11: good method to prevent recovery is to write all zeros to the drive
[11:05] <sgo11> ikonia, only that windows partition. not really blank. I simplified the problem. the true situation is my windows partition has some files which can not be deleted. so I can not do any format. I have to keep those data untouch.
[11:06] <ikonia> sgo11: ok ? then whats the point of a blank 100gb file ?
[11:08] <sgo11> for example, 100GB partition has 70GB files. I removed 10 GB files. 60GB files left. I don't want anyone to recover my deleted 10 GB files. I put 40GB.bin file to this partition. I think this file will wipe out the 40GB free space's "hidden data" so that nobody can recover my 10GB files. if this makes sense in English... ikonia
[11:09] <ikonia> you can't just "dd" part of a partition and hope expect all the files you want to be safe to be safe
[11:10] <EriC^^> sgo11: yeah you want to fill it up completely right?
[11:10] <EriC^^> sgo11: there's a program called secure-delete that can wipe the deleted stuff
[11:10] <EriC^^> !info secure-delete
[11:10] <sgo11> ikonia, I think I don't dd part of a partition in my situation. I dd to create a big file in ubuntu and put this file to windows. it should be different from dd directly.
[11:10] <Ben64> or don't worry about the size at all, just do 'dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=file'
[11:12] <veter> Hello Ubuntu community, i have a 2 monitors & one times i make selection to visibility of launcher on all desktop and can't off it. I choose Primary desktop but nothing happen, after i launc UTT again the radio button switch in the "All desktops position" again, how to fix it? http://storage9.static.itmages.com/i/16/1224/h_1482577659_8547878_d1ebd54805.png
[11:12] <sgo11> EriC^^, ok, thanks. I think I am going to use a tool. nobody thinks my way is good. :)
[11:14] <EriC^^> sgo11: as far as i could tell it looked like a good idea, it's what Ben64 suggested, the tool does the same thing except it can also do passes and whatever
[11:14] <EriC^^> what Ben64 suggested should be good enough and easy to do
[11:15] <sgo11> I am trying to prevent recovery of deleted files in windows, so that's why I create the file by dd in ubuntu and then put the file to windows. I think it should work. :) EriC^^
[11:15] <EriC^^> sgo11: yup
[11:17] <ikonia> EriC^^: do you actually grasp what he's trying to do, as I'm missing it I think
[11:17] <blackflow> creating an empty file and moving it to windows... prevents its recovery?
[11:17] <ikonia> blackflow: ok good so I'm not on my own here ?
[11:17] <EriC^^> ikonia: he deleted some files, but he wants them actually wiped from the disk, so he's trying to fill the disk up enough so they get overwritten
[11:18] <blackflow> ikonia: i'm not quite sure what they're talking about, so I'm asking too :)
[11:18] <sgo11> EriC^^, cool English words. :) yeah, right.
[11:18] <blackflow> okay it makes sense to overwrite blocks by occupying them. note, tho, the OS will always reserve space so not all blocks will be deleted.
[11:19] <EriC^^> blackflow: windows has a 5% default like ext?
[11:20] <sgo11> blackflow, but i have to keep some files (program exe dll files) in that partition, that's why I can't format it.
[11:21] <Surfer2010> has anyone an idea what is wrong with my mysql looking at this error-log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23677428/
[11:22] <EriC^^> sgo11: you should be good i think, as long as you shut down correctly or run "sync" after dd it should be ok
[11:24] <sgo11> EriC^^, cool. thanks. :)
[11:24] <EriC^^> sgo11: no problem :)
[11:26] <rsms> help my download not open
[11:27] <EriC^^> rsms: what download?
[11:28] <rsms> I download file form internet through browser .it a archive file. when i first open i opened with archive manager .when i click on open containing folder its not open it.and its not in downloads
[11:33] <Surfer2010> is it possible to emulate/virtualize odroid-ubuntu on my pc to have a test system?
[11:34] <blackflow> EriC^^: I don't know the %% but afaik yes it keeps reserved adjacent blocks to minimize fragmentation
[11:34] <blackflow> so filling up the space is not a 100% guarantee that all files and their blocks are deleted.
[11:36] <jamesrleimer> morning
[11:37] <jamesrleimer> i have a question if someone's awake
[11:37] <blackflow> I need help understanding this. systemd is complaining that it's unable to raise the network iface (ens3) but it's up and running and I've ssh'd into the server. 16.04. status output: https://dpaste.de/wNXS
[11:38] <blackflow> which is preventing me to restart networking (even with ifdown && ifup) because I need to add ipv6.
[11:38] <blackflow> any ideas what to do, short of rebooting the server?
[11:39] <jamesrleimer> sorry blackflow dont know much about server stuff
[11:39] <blackflow> well it's not specific to servers, it's basic networking
[11:40] <jamesrleimer> is your interface ens3 or ath0 ?
[11:40] <blackflow> ens3, no wifi
[11:41] <blackflow> the interface works, network works, static network config in file /etc/network/interfaces.d/ens3
[12:05] <zacakry> hi I am doing some development with kinect 2 however I getting all sorts of errors with software drivers. I there a way I can compile code from source and return to previous good state
[12:06] <zacakry> normally I do this sort of the work in virtualbox and take snapshots, however the resources required for kinect 2 would preclude doing this type of testing in virtual box
[12:08] <zacakry> looking for something like an isolated environment to install code into or alternatively a snapshot for linux that actually works
[12:08] <Wulf> zacakry: about about Docker?
[12:10] <rhagu> Hi, I am setting up a samba server inside a lxc container and may need to redo the whole setup. Therefore I would like to copy the files that define the users and their passwords inside the container. But I do not know which files I would net to copy to the new instance, any ideas?
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> zacakry  explore containers
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> or Docker, Wulf nnnnnwas faster
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> rhagu  there's also #lxcotainers
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> rhagu  there's also #lxcontainers
[12:15] <rhagu> MonkeyDust I know, that is what I am using, but this problem seemed to be more related to ubuntu user and samba password management, than setting up a container
[12:20] <ikonia> rhagu: the samba config file sets the auth type and the files used to store the passwords
[12:21] <ikonia> rhagu: read your samba config, look at where it's pointing at and back up those files
[12:41] <jamesrleimer> question: if i switch from the unity desktop to the gnome desktop can i uninstall the unity if i want to keep gnome, and vice versa?
[12:41] <jamesrleimer> and how
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> jamesrleimer  i guess it would be easier, faster and cleaner to backup personal files and install ubuntu gnome instead http://ubuntugnome.org/
[12:49] <jamesrleimer> could try that..but since i have most of gnome already installed...
[12:50] <jamesrleimer> heck it even shows up in the login screen, you know where you can select the desktop enviroment
[13:08] <RajRajRaj> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kiSd37iw/irccloudcapture181039517.jpg
[13:08] <RajRajRaj> Please help
[13:09] <RajRajRaj> I can not proceed and dont know what to do
[13:09] <RajRajRaj> This ubuntu 160.04
[13:09] <RajRajRaj> 16.04*
[13:09] <RajRajRaj> Anyone here?
[13:10] <MonkeyDust> RajRajRaj  type /n
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> RajRajRaj  click OK, so we can see what's behind the error dialog
[13:12] <RajRajRaj> MonkeyDust: it got stuck there i will restart and go there again
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <RajRajRaj> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JgOnnMes/irccloudcapture-859608431.jpg
[13:14] <RajRajRaj> MonkeyDust: ^
[13:15] <ioria> RajRajRaj, you are dual booting with windows, using the 'Something else' item in the partitioner ? if yes, you have to select a mount point and a fs (ext4)   http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[13:16] <RajRajRaj> ioria: yes. So shall i format /dev/sd3 with ext4
[13:16] <RajRajRaj> And mount it to /
[13:16] <ioria> yup and mount pint '/'
[13:16] <ioria> *point
[13:17] <MonkeyDust> RajRajRaj  backup first, make sure you don't lose essential or personal data
[13:17] <RajRajRaj> ioria: ok
[13:17] <ioria> RajRajRaj, ^ MonkeyDust
[13:17] <RajRajRaj> MonkeyDust: i have backup but i dont have another system to use that back up
[13:18] <ioria> RajRajRaj,  you have already 4 partitions , so no swap
[13:18] <RajRajRaj> Ok
[13:18] <ioria> RajRajRaj,  but that could be a problem
[13:19] <rommel> how much ram
[13:19] <RajRajRaj> ioria: will it dual boot?
[13:19] <RajRajRaj> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mmsdldVe/irccloudcapture-898347728.jpg
[13:19] <ioria> RajRajRaj,  yes... the problem will be on suspend or hibernation
[13:20] <RajRajRaj> Ok
[13:20] <ioria> nope, that's 2 not 3
[13:20] <jjkinas> question , ive never had a system with UEFI , and i set my motherboard to "other os" mode ,  but the ubuntu installer wouldent install grub and find my windows 10 partition like normal.   where can i go to learn what to do
[13:20] <ioria> wrong partition
[13:21] <rommel> jjkinas, why did you set it to other os
[13:21] <RajRajRaj> ioria: yes i selected sda2
[13:21] <ioria> RajRajRaj,  why ?
[13:21] <RajRajRaj> Sda1 has Windows
[13:21] <RajRajRaj> Sda3 was unknown
[13:22] <jjkinas> rommel:  because when i did the install like normal it said it couldent write grub to the / disk
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> And it didnt format sda3
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> Hence i selected sda2
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> Its ok i guess
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> ?
[13:22] <ioria> RajRajRaj,   you need to know what's on your partitions
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> Yes i remember sda1 is windows
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> 2 and 3 were empty
[13:22] <RajRajRaj> 4 is data
[13:24] <ioria> RajRajRaj,   mm... better you start the licecd in 'try' mode, and paste sudo parted -l
[13:24] <ioria> *livecd
[13:25] <RajRajRaj> Its installing now :(
[13:25] <RajRajRaj> It says configuring hardware
[13:25] <RajRajRaj> Wow office comes pre installed
[13:26] <rommel> jjkinas, i dont think that is what you want to do i think it is more along the lines of partitioning correctly for efi
[13:26] <xun> HELLO!.
[13:27] <xun> Guys
[13:27] <RajRajRaj> xun: hello
[13:27] <joci> xun: hii!
[13:29] <waterforce1205> Hello
[13:37] <joci> ZZZzzzz
[13:38] <j41> I think there's something funky going on with my gpu drivers. When I mouse over a button in Steam or an icon in the Unity search menu, all of my screens flicker.
[13:44] <georges> french
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[13:45] <georges> join *ubuntu.fr
[13:49] <joci> window splitv 50
[13:49] <joci> oww.. srry:)
[13:54] <xun> who's like ascii art? :)
[13:54] <xun> sometimes you need to view image but have only terminal
[13:54] <xun> "asciiview" can help you to view image in terminal
[13:57] <asdasd> hello! does anybody know how where I can find the source code for the ubuntu server installer tui?
[13:58] <xun> guys, check out "figlet". sudo apt-get install figlet
[13:58] <xun>  _   _ _____ _     _     ___
[13:58] <xun> | | | | ____| |   | |   / _ \
[13:59] <xun> | |_| |  _| | |   | |  | | | |
[13:59] <MonkeyDust> xun  stop
[13:59] <xun> ok
[14:15] <RajRajRaj> ioria thanks i successfully installed it :)
[14:15] <adroit_machine> hi, I was trying to install wine 1.8 on my computer, but now it seems like it has messed something up. apt-get -f gives me this output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23677961/. #winehq told me it is a ubuntu problem because those packages are in ubuntu's repos. Need help please
[14:15] <RajRajRaj> Btw i can't play videos or music. It says it requires some plugin
[14:17] <RajRajRaj> How do i install those plugins
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> RajRajRaj  that 'some plugin' is called 'ubuntu-restricted-extras'
[14:18] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: how are you installing wine?
[14:18] <adroit_machine> yes, I have already installed it but now there's some error on my computer, wiggmpk
[14:18] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: HOW did you install it? what command?
[14:19] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: did you add any repository or ppa? or just from the stock repositories?
[14:19] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: I followd this  tutorial: ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/12/install-wine-1-8-stable-new-ppa/
[14:19] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: I added repository
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  simply type   sudo apt install wine
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  no need for a ppa
[14:20] <adroit_machine> MonkeyDust: no that's an older version of wine. I'm trying to install 1.8
[14:20] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: do you need 1.8 for a specific reason?
[14:20] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: No particular reason, but I have already installed it now.
[14:21] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: yes, but you apparently have issues...
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  purge the ppa and install wine from the repos
[14:21] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: what can I do to make the errors go away?
[14:22] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: ^ I would follow MonkeyDust's advice
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  not use the ppa
[14:22] <adroit_machine> MonkeyDust: folks at #winehq told me it is a ubuntu's problem because those packages are in ubuntu's repos
[14:22] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: If you don't need 1.8 for a specific reason, use the version in the stock repository. They work..
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  a ppa is an external source, but wine sits in the repos, yes
[14:22] <RajRajRaj> MonkeyDust: oh ok. Btw thank  you for the installation help its working now :)
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> !ppa
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> RajRajRaj  glad i could help
[14:24] <adroit_machine> isn't there anything I can do now to correct the problem, MonkeyDust, wiggmpk
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  yes, purge the ppa and install wine the official repos
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> from*
[14:27] <adroit_machine> ok thanks MonkeyDust, but I'm not gonna do it
[14:28] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  or if you insist on using the ppa, you should contact the maintainer
[14:28] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: just curious, but why?
[14:28] <adroit_machine> wine 1.8 has support for windows 10, wiggmpk
[14:28] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: so does wine-staging...
[14:29] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: what do you need windows 10 'support' for?
[14:29] <adroit_machine> wine staging, is that the one available through play onlinux?
[14:29] <adroit_machine> I don't need it,I just think it is pretty cool, wiggmpk
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> adroit_machine  fancy experimenting with unsupported packages is beyond the scope of this channel
[14:32] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: in addition to that, unless you are configuring containers for you windows applications, the default selection of OS version (IIRC) is Windows XP
[14:32] <wiggmpk> your*
[14:33] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: but it is changeable through wine cfg
[14:33] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: and speaking from personal experience, I have the most success selecting Windows XP and sometimes Windows 7 (if there is a silly bug)
[14:34] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: what works for you may not work for me
[14:35] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: fair enough
[14:35] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[14:36] <adroit_machine> wiggmpk: ubuntu 14.04
[14:36] <slacko64_13275> 16.04
[14:37] <wiggmpk> adroit_machine: I still recommend what MonkeyDust suggested. Remove the packages you installed and purge the PPA. If you want the latest and greatest I would try wine-staging. I'm running 16.04 with no issues. http://www.webupd8.org/2015/06/get-new-wine-features-faster-with-wine.html
[14:38] <adroit_machine> ok thanks wiggmpk
[14:38] <wiggmpk> welcome
[14:39] <wiggmpk> current version is wine2.0rc2
[14:44] <yangm97> any idea why grub boots fine named like a efi shell but it's entry won't work? external media boot just fine
[14:46] <ikonia> define "won't work"
[14:48] <xXEoflaOEXx> Hi
[14:50] <Name000> hello guys, I have the following problem: Transfer large files from my HDD to SSD freezes my system. Transfering from SSD to HDD doesn't freeze it. Any ideas?
[14:54] <ikonia> Name000: does the mouse pointer stil move ?
[14:54] <Name000> @ikonia: no it doesn't
[14:55] <ikonia> so the machine is totally hardlocking then ?
[14:55] <ikonia> does the caps lock key come on / off when you press capslock
[14:55] <Name000> it doesn't have a light, so I don't know
[14:56] <Name000> it might freeze up to 5 minutes, sometimes it freezes for some seconds
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[14:57] <ikonia> Name000: so it does unfreeze
[14:58] <Name000> yeah it unfreezes but then it freezes again. from the moment i quit the transfer everything is normal again.
[14:59] <ikonia> I suspect you're flooding your bus
[14:59] <Name000> My laptop is quite new with 8gb of ram and i5 7200U,
[14:59] <ikonia> or your machines overall capability
[14:59] <Name000> how can I check these?
[14:59] <ikonia> monitor the machines resources, see how high/hard it jumps up
[14:59] <Name000> with htop, i get two processes(both nautilis -n) about 25% each
[15:00] <ikonia> (if it does)
[15:00] <Name000> and ram is about 3,7 out of 7,7 gb
[15:05] <ubuntu932> Test
[15:06] <ubuntu932> I SSH as root to do-release-upgrade; restarted and try to login again as root but get access denied. Why?
[15:09] <ubuntu932> Help! I SSH as root to do-release-upgrade; restarted and try to login again as root but get access denied.
[15:10] <LinuxNovice> hello, can we install LXQT on Ubuntu?
[15:11] <ubp> anyone know a good channel for general questions on linux programs?
[15:11] <MonkeyDust> ubp  ##linux
[15:11] <ubp> gotcha, thanks
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ubuntu932,, are you upgrading a remote server ?
[15:19] <attauhid> Testt
[15:23] <vfw> ubuntulog2: Try as user
[15:24] <dezdezserps007> ola
[15:26] <vfw> !info lxqt | LinuxNovice
[15:28] <LinuxNovice> is it still under development or has evolved as the complete DE?
[15:28] <LinuxNovice> what is the difference is performance can I expect between lxde and lxqt?
[15:33] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  that's a specific question for a novice... what makes you ask that
[15:34] <LinuxNovice> was just curious to know. Need a very lightweight yet convenient DE for my old laptop.
[15:35] <blackflow> LinuxNovice: tried Ubuntu Mate?
[15:37] <LinuxNovice> I have tried Mate and Xfce.
[15:37] <LinuxNovice> Have heard that lxqt is lighter than those two.
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> !mini | LinuxNovice there's this
[15:38] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, I needed suggestions on the DE.
[15:55] <blackflow> LinuxNovice: at this point I think that depends on your preference. You seem to be aware of several of DEs and have tried some, so now it's up to what you prefer.
[15:57] <LinuxNovice> I am constrained by the limited system resources. I have a very old laptop. Haven't been able to find a really lightweight distro for it.
[15:58] <OerHeks> I think you did, but you are not satisfied. Lubuntu is lightweight, i prefer xubuntu for more conveniance.
[16:00] <blackflow> LinuxNovice: MATE and xfce are two serious choices I'd limit myself to, if I were you. You could also consider running just a WM, without full DE. Maybe you'd like a tiling WM like i3
[16:01] <rory> Ubuntu MATE ++
[16:04] <kang0> LinuxNovice what's wrong with puppy
[16:05] <OerHeks> kang0, puppy is not ubuntu :-D
[16:05] <kang0> What's difference
[16:06] <kang0> I think it's Linux
[16:06] <OerHeks> Us, a great community.
[16:08] <kang0> Community is the only difference?
[16:09] <blackflow> on
[16:09] <blackflow> *no
[16:10] <OerHeks> and puppy cannot exist without ubuntu. and latest version is some time ago. anyway, offtopic.
[16:23] <Echos_> Hey. Ubuntu 16.04. Bluetooth isnt functioning. Software isnt working, cant turn on/off.
[16:24] <Echos_> Well, cant turn on.. anyways.
[16:29] <enoch85> hey guys, I installed ubuntu desktop with "--no-install-recomends" and now I can't search for applications, how do I activated that?
[16:31] <OerHeks> enoch85, install a few applications ? now you should have none.
[16:33] <zerous> I just installed pkg-conf but it says that libxml++2.6 can't be found in the pkg conf search path. Do I have to do add it manually ? If so how would I do it ?
[16:33] <joci> Echos_  did you enable third parties ?
[16:33] <zerous> I am sorry if that sounded really dumb. I am really new to linux.
[16:33] <Echos_> joci: Yess
[16:34] <Zoe1997> whois zerous#
[16:34] <therue> when mounting a HDD as a storage drive or for torrenting, are there any fstab options that are particularly useful? or should i just set them all to defaults,noatime ?
[16:35] <Zoe1997> whois <zerous>#
[16:35] <zerous> Zoe1997, any clue on what I might be missing ?
[16:35] <OerHeks> zerous, should be available from your path, did you try logou/login to see if it picks up?
[16:36] <zerous> OerHeks, nope I haven't tried that.
[16:38] <Zoe1997> exit
[16:38] <Zoe1997> quit
[16:42] <joci> Echos_ i dont know could not find anything
[16:48] <jamesrleimer> hi
[16:51] <joci> jamesrleimer: hi
[16:54] <Echos_> joci: alright, appreciate the try.
[17:05] <annonymous> does anyone know how to het a dev/root hack that iscoming from a virtual box that has cloned my bodsx apparently since he sends me email from my own accounts and there is no way to respond he is using security tokens that are bogus and a hook to accomplish this but even after reformatting over a dozen times trying windows xp,7,8.1and 10 he has still managed to put the same dame root on every device in my house
[17:07] <joci> Echos_:no worries, marry Xmas:D
[17:07] <annonymous> I think backbox finally got rid of him on this box but there are several and I am running 300mbps connection so I think the hacker really wants to keep my bandwidth so he never gives up
[17:08] <annonymous> is this the wrong chat to pose that question?
[17:09] <annonymous> shit no one else is saying anything any ideas?
[17:09] <annonymous> ok thanks anyway
[17:10] <OerHeks> annonymous, i wonder how3 this is related to ubuntu support
[17:12] <BluesKaj> annonymous, try ##linux
[17:30] <backbox> hi
[17:36] <gt8ost4l> has anybody here successfully installed flash for chrome?
[17:36] <gt8ost4l> chromium?
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> gt8ost4l  try pepperflash
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#Installing_Pepper_Flash_for_Chromium
[17:43] <profetik> Hi. Can I talk to someone about wireless issues here ?
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> profetik  let's hear it, i one line
[17:46] <profetik> Thanks.  Why is it that I download Broadcom .deb for bcw 4212 on a separate USB and try to run it on my Linux pc that isn't connected to internet for obvious reasons, no driver, it tells me that it can't download packages
[17:47] <profetik> Additional drivers doesn't work.
[17:48] <vfw> profetik: You don't have a cat5 cable that you can plug into the router?
[17:48] <wafflejock> profetik, how are you trying to install the .deb file? it may be trying to get some dependencies of the .deb you don't have installed but it knows are in the repo, paste the output to a paste site like paste.ubuntu.com
[17:49] <vfw> wafflejock: We must assume that he does not have an internet connection.  Right profetik ?
[17:49] <profetik> It's a desktop and my router is int basement and I also want to learn how to do it offline so in case I ever run into this again I can solve it via loading drivers on USB
[17:49] <profetik> Correct
[17:50] <vfw> profetik: Not sure how you will download anything without an internet connection.
[17:50] <vfw> profetik: Do you have a laptop?
[17:50] <profetik> Use another laptop to download dependencies that are missing but never saw a read out on all the dependencies that was missing.  I
[17:51] <vfw> profetik: Do you have a laptop and an ethernet cable?  Surely the laptop has WiFi device, if so, share the interent over ethernet.
[17:51] <profetik> I just hoped that there was a .deb that had everything I needed to just install from a USB and be on my way
[17:51] <profetik> Sorry if I'm not sharing correctly. It's a desktop.
[17:52] <profetik> My other laptop is what I'm using to trouble shoot anf download any drivers to a USB. Then plug that into the desktop to run and fix
[17:52] <vfw> profetik: If you insist on doing it without an internet connection, you will need to manually download the software and dependencies and manually install them with dpkg  But there are easier ways.
[17:52] <wafflejock> profetik, yeah i think vfw is suggesting you have the laptop with wifi access you could just pass through that connection via a wire to the desktop
[17:53] <wafflejock> profetik, you could run dpkg -I package.deb to see it's dependencies
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> !offline
[17:53] <vfw> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The easier way ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[17:54] <profetik> Okay. What if I'm using a chrome book to patch internet access through ?
[17:54] <vfw> Well, was late posting... The easier way is to get an internet connection...
[17:54] <profetik> Or a MacBook ?
[17:54] <vfw> profetik: Yes, do it.
[17:55] <vfw> profetik: Or, do as our bot suggested.
[17:55] <xXEoflaOEXx> msg NickServ identify d45t
[17:55] <profetik> Okay. I'll try that those
[17:55] <vfw> Boot to liveCD and download to USB
[17:56] <xXEoflaOEXx> Hi
[17:57] <vfw> profetik: If you cannot get interent connection, generate package download script, boot to ubuntu liveCD and download to USB
[17:58] <vfw> profetik: But the easiest way is to share internet connection from another device.
[18:11] <abhinav__> Hello
[18:13] <abhinav__> Hi
[18:13] <EriC^^> hi
[18:13] <abhinav__> How do I enable https in libcurl ?
[18:14] <abhinav__> I am getting the error
[18:14] <abhinav__> Protocol "https" not supported or disabled in libcurl
[18:14] <abhinav__> I am using Ubuntu 16.04
[18:17] <bravis> need some help/advice i installed a ubuntu  build and the grub failed to install think my efi was full cleared space but it still fails this is a dual boot win10 and no I cant blow away the win cause i need it for work.
[18:17] <abhinav__> Hi bravis
[18:17] <bravis> how can I get the grub reinstall
[18:18] <bravis> hello
[18:18] <abhinav__> Just create a live ubuntu
[18:18] <abhinav__> And then update grub
[18:19] <bravis> actually running on the installed now havenot rebooted yet
[18:19] <EriC^^> bravis: type "sudo grub-install"
[18:19] <EriC^^> bravis: is anything actually mounted? try "lsblk" and see if /boot/efi is mounted
[18:20] <EriC^^> i've no experience with a post-install ubuntu session
[18:22] <bravis> sda, sdb, sdc and sr0 all show up a is efi win10 etc, b is ubuntu, c is flash i booted from
[18:22] <EriC^^> bravis: type "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:23] <bravis> http://termbin.com/fbsi
[18:24] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:24] <bravis> Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdc. http://termbin.com/qeti
[18:25] <EriC^^> bravis: sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt
[18:26] <al31415> hello
[18:27] <bravis> presume its mounted
[18:27] <Goles> Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to read a file from a .conf for upstart (I have a file with my DB's password that I would like to read). I tried just using `. /path/to/file/password` but it doesn't seem to work
[18:28] <EriC^^> bravis: "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[18:29] <bravis> ran it no output
[18:29] <EriC^^> bravis: sudo chroot /mnt
[18:29] <bravis> indeed
[18:30] <EriC^^> bravis: grub-install
[18:30] <EriC^^> bravis: wait
[18:30] <EriC^^> bravis: type "mount -a"
[18:30] <bravis> ok
[18:31] <EriC^^> bravis: check that the efi partition got mounted with "mount | grep efi"
[18:32] <bravis> ran i forget that piped the output to a file efi?
[18:32] <EriC^^> bravis: no, it should give a line back
[18:32] <bravis> didnt
[18:32] <EriC^^> /dev/sda2 on /boot/efi
[18:33] <EriC^^> aha
[18:33] <EriC^^> bravis: try "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:33] <bravis> http://termbin.com/9bka
[18:34] <EriC^^> bravis: try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[18:35] <bravis> mind I did choose sd2a for grub one time because it was tellong me efi was full and needed to finish the install so I could at least boot
[18:35] <bravis> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory
[18:35] <EriC^^> bravis: it's not booted in uefi mode
[18:36] <EriC^^> try "modprobe efivars"
[18:36] <bravis> no output
[18:37] <EriC^^> bravis: try "blkid /dev/sda2"
[18:37] <bravis> maybe the skywave did not have a efi?
[18:37] <EriC^^> then sudo nano /etc/fstab
[18:37] <EriC^^> not sure what you mean
[18:37] <EriC^^> UUID=0A87-44C2 /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[18:37] <EriC^^> add the line above to fstab replacing your uuid in it from blkid
[18:38] <bravis> was on /dev/sdb2 during installation UUID=3d40e8a0-ff24-4652-a551-5828c976a392 /               ext4    errors=remoun$ # swap was on /dev/sdb3 during installation UUID=090b1ac6-6603-4e8c-9388-7844c6fa168c none            swap    sw           $
[18:38] <bravis> sda2 there it is
[18:38] <bravis> sda1 is where win is
[18:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:39] <EriC^^> still not sure what you mean
[18:40] <bravis> the windows 10 partition is on sda1  the efi i was using sda but guess i changed it to sdb
[18:40] <`ryban> merry christmas to all :)
[18:40] <EriC^^> bravis: sda1 is windows and sda2 is the efi partition
[18:41] <EriC^^> bravis: the stuff in fstab mentions the linux filesystem and swap
[18:41] <bravis> k so add the line or replace one?
[18:41] <EriC^^> bravis: add only
[18:41] <EriC^^> using your uuid for /dev/sda2
[18:43] <bravis> http://termbin.com/7y7s
[18:44] <Guest87901> Question(not support related). NFS is or is NOT part of FUSE system? I think NFS is not, but I am not 100% certain. As in, can NFS work successfully on a linux OS without FUSE?
[18:45] <bravis> Eric: http://termbin.com/7y7s
[18:46] <bravis> sorry i dont remember a lot of stuff in linux as I have been working with as400 far too much
[18:47] <Al314159> is it possible to single boot ubuntu on a 2011 macbook pro?
[18:47] <shubbar> I'm using Lubuntu and keep having a problem with wifi. Connection drops and I cannot see any SSID. I have to restart to restore any connection.
[18:48] <bravis> Al314159: yes
[18:48] <bravis> also dual boot
[18:49] <Al314159> ive tried to single boot it so many times but it never works
[18:49] <Guest87901> shubbar, paste the output of the lspci | Network. It should be one line
[18:51] <Al314159> is it better to single boot or dual?
[18:52] <Guest87901> Al314159, odd question..thats up to you
[18:52] <bravis> personal prefrence i like to use apple for some things but ubuntu for most
[18:53] <bravis> or get a new hard disk and single boot but keep the original
[18:54] <Al314159> i have an old macbook i want to do it on
[18:54] <OerHeks> !mac
[18:54] <Al314159> still kinda new to linux lol
[18:55] <TZAnolo> There are something that, for a while, you will not able to use in linux.
[18:55] <TZAnolo> so try dual boot and keep learning
[18:56] <TZAnolo> For example, I kept dual boot just to use adobe softwares.
[18:57] <bravis> Um I guess M question was kinda off the official distro but assumed it was ok as i was talking about grub and ubuntu 16.04 lts
[18:58] <TZAnolo> I think it's Ok question
[18:58] <Trioxin> what would you do if you were stuck at 36% here: http://storage7.static.itmages.com/i/16/1224/h_1482605259_6813117_5b9563be8d.png
[18:58] <bravis> Skywave Linux is a 64 bit system, built on a base of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS,
[18:59] <bravis> just don't want to anger anyone
[18:59] <nino> ciao
[18:59] <nino> !list
[19:00] <bravis> anyway Thanks Eric^^ lets see what happens...
[19:00] <TZAnolo> Trioxin are you waiting for a long time?
[19:00] <wafflejock> Trioxin, looks like it failed to build the wireless kernel module... if it's been stuck for quite a while would check out that crash log and probably Ctrl+C the update
[19:01] <wafflejock> I believe it should eventually stop though it will probably just output that it failed since building that module failed for some reason
[19:01] <Trioxin> tzanolo, yeah long time. ctrl c isn't working
[19:02] <Trioxin> guess I can close the shell
[19:02] <pavlos> Trioxin, you could kill the apt process
[19:03] <Trioxin> yeaa
[19:03] <wafflejock> Trioxin, can you get another terminal open there and try to, cat /var/lib/dkms/rtl8812au/4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg/build/make.log
[19:03] <TZAnolo> yes you can.
[19:03] <TZAnolo> linux keeps a lot of old kernels and at the grub you can choose all of them.
[19:04] <Trioxin> yeah it's failing to build the wifi driver which I always just build manually after a kernel update anyway
[19:05] <wafflejock> Trioxin, maybe in a stuck state since it says it can't write the crash file since one exists there already, strange though still
[19:13] <Gecko_> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. No bluetooth adapter.
[19:13] <Gecko_> Installed what I assume to be the driver but still nothing. Not sure. Admit Im new to ubuntu.
[19:13] <TZAnolo>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER TZAnolo assupcllsigs
[19:15] <Bashing-om> TZAnolo: Ooopps, time to change your password :(
[19:15] <pavlos> TZAnolo, send that to the freenode channel
[19:16] <TZAnolo> Ok pavlos, my mistake
[19:17] <TZAnolo> and thats not my password, it's just a code to verify email and registration
[19:22] <EriC^^> bravis: sorry i was a little busy
[19:22] <bravis> all good
[19:23] <bravis> i reinstalled so it is on sdb just need to add win19 to the grub looking on haw to do that
[19:23] <bravis> win10 even
[19:23] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, is it installed in uefi mode this time?
[19:24] <EriC^^> bravis: try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[19:25] <bravis> not sure as the bios had to be set to legacy to boot
[19:25] <bravis> the usb
[19:25] <bravis> odd
[19:26] <bravis> that is where i get lost  win is on efi
[19:27] <EriC^^> bravis: win and ubuntu have to be installed in the same mode to boot easily
[19:27] <bravis> just not strong enough in linux to remember the commands
[19:28] <bravis> is there a specific way to boot from usb or is that the build?
[19:28] <EriC^^> bravis: you can try to convert the current install to use uefi
[19:28] <bravis> rather the dd process
[19:28] <EriC^^> bravis: nope, the dd image has both uefi and legacy support
[19:28] <bravis> if your flyin im tryin
[19:29] <EriC^^> it depends on how you boot it from the bios on what mode gets used
[19:29] <EriC^^> bravis: you mean you're down to convert it?
[19:29] <bravis> let me reset it to uuefi
[19:29] <bravis> in bios
[19:29] <bravis>  and yes I am game
[19:29] <EriC^^> no need to do that yet
[19:29] <bravis> k
[19:30] <EriC^^> ok, so type blkid /dev/sda2
[19:30] <EriC^^> *sudo blkid /dev/sda2
[19:30] <bravis> lol you know the commands I know how to copy paste
[19:30] <EriC^^> :D
[19:31] <EriC^^> then type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[19:31] <EriC^^> and add the line with your uuid from blkid
[19:32] <EriC^^> UUID=0A87-44C2 /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[19:34] <bravis> Its there now
[19:34] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, try sudo mount -a
[19:34] <EriC^^> see if it mounted correctly in "lsblk"
[19:34] <EriC^^> bravis: ah wait
[19:35] <EriC^^> first run "sudo mkdir /boot/efi"
[19:36] <bravis> yes mount /etc/fstab: parse error ignore entry line 13
[19:36] <bravis> then dod mkdir line
[19:36] <bravis> did*
[19:37] <EriC^^> bravis: type "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:38] <bravis> http://termbin.com/n8iw
[19:39] <EriC^^> bravis: type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[19:39] <EriC^^> erase the line you added and put this one
[19:40] <EriC^^> UUID= E66F-621F /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[19:40] <EriC^^> sorry, typo UUID=E66F-621F /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[19:41] <bravis> http://termbin.com/jt9m
[19:41] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: bravis That silly little space :)
[19:41] <EriC^^> bravis: looks good
[19:41] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, try sudo mount -a
[19:42] <bravis> good no reply
[19:42] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, give a quick check with "lsblk"
[19:43] <bravis> http://termbin.com/0bd1
[19:44] <EriC^^> bravis: looks good
[19:45] <bravis> Eric^^: agree
[19:45] <EriC^^> try "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:45] <bravis> http://termbin.com/h51t
[19:46] <dorothy> Hello! I used ddrescue command to backup a single partition of Ubuntu OS and restore it onto another blank HDD using dd command. Now, when I try to boot the device, error says no boot device. Any help please?
[19:46] <dorothy> I guess the bootloader is gone
[19:47] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, type sudo apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin
[19:48] <EriC^^> dorothy: can you show a paste of "sudo parted -l"
[19:48] <dorothy> I am currently on liveCD EriC^^
[19:48] <bravis> Eric^^: done
[19:48] <EriC^^> dorothy: no problem, it works
[19:49] <EriC^^> bravis: type "sudo modprobe efivars"
[19:49] <bravis> Eric^^: no reply is usually good
[19:50] <EriC^^> bravis: yeah :D
[19:50] <dorothy> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23679253/ -- sdc is the one where I dd restored the OS. Yes, on a USB stick
[19:50] <dorothy> I took care of partition type and size
[19:50] <EriC^^> bravis: try sudo apt-get install grub-efi-amd64-signed
[19:50] <dorothy> I chrooted and checked, data and all is intact
[19:51] <dorothy> It's just not booting
[19:51] <EriC^^> dorothy: the problem is that you didn't create a partition table
[19:51] <dorothy> oh
[19:51] <EriC^^> the filesystem is on the whole usb
[19:51] <dorothy> oh yeah
[19:51] <dorothy> how did I miss that
[19:52] <dorothy> EriC^^: Thanks. Good that I have the img file saved
[19:52] <dorothy> I'll create the partition table and try again
[19:52] <EriC^^> dorothy: hold on..
[19:53] <EriC^^> ok nevermind
[19:53] <dorothy> EriC^^: Yeah?
[19:53] <EriC^^> you understand you have to dd to the partition, not the disk, right?
[19:53] <dorothy> Yes yes
[19:53] <EriC^^> ok :)
[19:53] <dorothy> I made a mistake
[19:53] <dorothy> Thanks
[19:53] <EriC^^> no problem
[19:54] <bravis> mine has completed
[19:54] <EriC^^> bravis: did it complain about efi vars not existing?
[19:54] <uxfi> Happy Holidays everyone
[19:54] <bravis> no it setup everything it seems
[19:54] <EriC^^> uxfi: happy holidays
[19:54] <EriC^^> bravis: nice, try sudo efibootmgr -v
[19:55] <bravis> Merry Christmas even
[19:55] <uxfi> haha
[19:55] <uxfi> :)
[19:55] <uxfi> not the 25th here yet but thank you
[19:56] <bravis> well its coming
[19:56] <bravis> Eric^^: seemed to run fine no complaints
[19:57] <EriC^^> bravis: it lists the efi entries?
[19:57] <EriC^^> sudo efibootmgr -v
[19:57] <bravis> no says EFI varibles not supported on this system
[19:58] <EriC^^> bravis: ok as a temp fix run "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/bootmgfw.efi{,.backup}"
[19:58] <BluesKaj> some celebrate Christmas Eve more than Christmas Day in Europe
[19:58] <dorothy> EriC^^: Better now? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23679287/ Refer sdc
[19:59] <dorothy> EriC^^: Now, I'll dd img to sdc1
[19:59] <EriC^^> dorothy: yup, looks good
[19:59] <bravis> Eric^^: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/bootmgfw.efi{,.backup} cp: cannot stat '/boot/efi/efi/microsoft/bootmgfw.efi': No such file or directory bra
[20:00] <dorothy> EriC^^: So the msdos partition table takes care of bootloader?
[20:00] <EriC^^> bravis: try "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:01] <EriC^^> dorothy: you still have to chroot and install grub to the mbr
[20:01] <bravis> Eric^^: ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999 ls: cannot open directory '/boot/efi': Permission denied Use netcat.
[20:01] <EriC^^> dorothy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[20:01] <dorothy> EriC^^: I remember grub giving some error
[20:01] <dorothy> EriC^^: Okay
[20:02] <EriC^^> dorothy: it should work now
[20:02] <EriC^^> bravis: ah, try sudo ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:03] <bravis> http://termbin.com/p9s3
[20:03] <bravis> lol
[20:03] <bravis> kinda a mess i think
[20:04] <EriC^^> bravis: "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi{,.backup}"
[20:04] <EriC^^> i screwed up earlier :D
[20:05] <bravis> hey so di I
[20:05] <bravis> seemed to copy
[20:05] <EriC^^> cool
[20:06] <EriC^^> try sudo grub-install
[20:06] <EriC^^> it's supposed to put the ubuntu efi files in the efi partition
[20:07] <bravis> Eric^^:sudo grub-install grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[20:07] <EriC^^> damn grub
[20:07] <bravis> hmm its not a i386 system
[20:09] <EriC^^> bravis: try sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi
[20:09] <EriC^^> bravis: it's still using the grub-pc (legacy)
[20:09] <bravis> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[20:09] <bravis> fin no error
[20:09] <EriC^^> ok
[20:09] <EriC^^> try a quick dpkg -l | grep grub
[20:09] <EriC^^> make sure there's no grub-pc anywhere
[20:10] <bravis> wanna see?
[20:11] <EriC^^> nah
[20:11] <EriC^^> all good?
[20:12] <bravis> seems so
[20:12] <EriC^^> ok cool
[20:12] <bravis> shall reboot to see...
[20:12] <EriC^^> bravis: try now ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:12] <EriC^^> not yet, just 1 more step
[20:13] <bravis> http://termbin.com/6x8s
[20:13] <EriC^^> ok, now to copy ubuntu over the windows one temporarily
[20:14] <EriC^^> sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[20:14] <bravis> ah insurance  done
[20:15] <EriC^^> we have to do that cause the efi vars couldn't get loaded :/
[20:15] <EriC^^> ok, try "sudo update-grub"
[20:15] <EriC^^> then try rebooting
[20:15] <bravis> oh so if i turn on uuefi in bios it wont complain?
[20:15] <EriC^^> when it boots we'll switch the files back and get it booting properly with windows too
[20:16] <EriC^^> yeah it should try to boot windows, and boot ubuntu instead
[20:16] <bravis> sudo update-grub Generating grub configuration file ... Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported. Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-41-lowlatency Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-41-lowlatency Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin done
[20:16] <EriC^^> ok, looks good
[20:17] <bravis> ok quick bio break and a reboot later...
[20:20] <akshay_> hi there
[20:21] <akshay_> leave
[20:24] <bravis> here we /i go
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas to and to all a Good Night! :-)
[20:39] <bravis> just booted no options think i need to add 10 sec or so.
[20:43] <bravis> Eric^^: which grub is it I need to edit and change the boot time?
[20:44] <Ma_> Hi guys, could you pls tell me which ubuntu installer you would suggest?
[20:45] <EriC^^> bravis: ubuntu booted fine?
[20:45] <bravis> Eric^^:It did just no time for options
[20:47] <bravis> oh i forgot to change bios
[20:47] <bravis>  be back
[20:51] <bravis> Eric^^: only boots from legacy and not verbose.
[20:52] <CP7Raptor> well hello there
[20:53] <EriC^^> bravis: do you have an uefi option?
[20:53] <bravis> Hiya P7
[20:53] <EriC^^> or csm legacy disabled
[20:54] <bravis> in bios I have uefi, uefi with csm and legacy tried all 3 only the leg boots the rest pop an error but dontsee it...
[20:55] <bravis> its a msi gt70 lapi
[20:57] <EriC^^> bravis: can you boot the live usb in uefi mode?
[20:57] <tmuwa> merry xmas!
[20:58] <EriC^^> bravis: is secureboot disabled?
[20:58] <bravis> it has to have a efi partition somewhere as this whole mess started because it did not have space to install on the uefi partition
[20:58] <bravis> dont think its disabled how to check
[20:58] <EriC^^> bravis: it should be under security or boot options
[20:58] <EriC^^> in the bios
[20:59] <bravis> dont think its diaabled i ment is there a way to check while running
[20:59] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:59] <EriC^^> mokutil --sb-state
[21:00] <EriC^^> let's try to copy the second efi file, maybe that'll help
[21:00] <EriC^^> sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi{,.backup}
[21:01] <EriC^^> sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[21:06] <Trioxin> I have a serious problem. I can't update grub. apt can't complete because it needs to remove a kernel... https://hastebin.com/jegeyitoxi.cpp3
[21:06] <Trioxin> so I tried to disable the wifi adapter and retry.. still locks. I get's stuck
[21:06] <Colombo> hi all, I updated to 16.04 from 15.10, but now sound from screen with speakers is not working (HDMI). However, sound is working from headphones output. Anyone know what I should try?
[21:07] <bravis> Eric^^: omg fastboot was off and wrong drive set first now with legacy it boots with grub no win10 option there butmaking progress
[21:08] <EriC^^> bravis: let's try to copy the second efi file, maybe that'll help
[21:08] <EriC^^> sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi{,.backup}
[21:08] <EriC^^> sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[21:09] <EriC^^> bravis: try to set secureboot off and uefi enabled
[21:16] <Colombo> I get sound from my headphones but not from my HDMI output after Update to Ubuntu 16.04. ANyone know what might have gone wrong?
[21:16] <Colombo> what I can do to correct it?
[21:19] <bravis> eric^^: well now I dont get the grubloader so need to edit and get time to choose boot?
[21:19] <vfw> Colombo: pulseaudio?
[21:19] <Colombo> yes
[21:19] <vfw> Colombo: Desktop computer?
[21:19] <Colombo> yes
[21:19] <EriC^^> bravis: it needs to boot in uefi mode so you can boot windows too
[21:20] <vfw> Colombo: Onboard GPU?
[21:20] <Colombo> dedicated
[21:20] <Colombo> (in fact both)
[21:20] <vfw> Colombo: Both?
[21:20] <EriC^^> bravis: oh just noticed you rejoined, were you able to boot it in uefi mode?
[21:20] <vfw> Colombo: Wich one?
[21:20] <bravis> when I choose uefi I dont get a boot at all
[21:20] <Colombo> vfw: I have AMD Tonga and processor came with onboard GPU.
[21:21] <vfw> Colombo: Well, are you plugging into the onboard one?
[21:22] <Colombo> vfw: nope, I have it plugged into dedicated one
[21:22] <bravis> I guess I can reinstall win10 or fix get the uefi bootloader clear the efi partition and reinstall unubtu
[21:22] <vfw> Colombo: I'm not convinced that all of the onboard GPUs are designed to transmit both video and audio via HDMI.
[21:22] <Colombo> vfw:  single HDMI cable from dedicated to screen, worked before, not working now
[21:23] <vfw> Colombo: Before _________________?
[21:23] <Colombo> vfw: updated from 15.10 to 16.04
[21:24] <vfw> Colombo: lspci |grep -i vga
[21:24] <vfw> Colombo: lspci |grep -i vga |$ nc termbin.com 9999
[21:24] <vfw> Colombo: Show us resulting URL
[21:25] <Colombo> " [AMD/ATI] Tonga PRO [Radeon R9 285/380]"
[21:26] <EriC^^> bravis: can you boot the installer in uefi mode?
[21:26] <bravis> Eric^^ Just switched to chrome I shall try
[21:26] <bravis> reboot
[21:27] <vfw> http://askubuntu.com/questions/763986/16-04-alsa-radeon-r9-380-hdmi-audio
[21:30] <vfw> Colombo: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[21:30] <vfw> Colombo: Did you install https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ubuntu/amdgpu-pro-16.40-348864.tar.xz ?
[21:30] <Colombo> vfw: looking at it, I am currently running on newest mesa, not on amdgpu-pro
[21:30] <OerHeks> open terminal: alsamixer # and hit F6 for sound output
[21:32] <bravis> Eric^^: whoo Hoo its atleast booted uefi with csm
[21:32] <Colombo> as with said link, pavucontrol shows that sound is being send to device
[21:32] <EriC^^> bravis: the live usb?
[21:32] <bravis> no the installed
[21:33] <bravis> you wanted the live
[21:33] <bravis> well poo lets try that
[21:37] <Colombo> vfw: yeah, it seems that sound thing is not implemented in amdgpu or what:/ thanks for help
[21:49] <bravis> Eric^^: No it will not boot from usb uefi  or uefi with csm but does from hd invalid signature when uefi onlly so something got screwed up..
[21:50] <EriC^^> bravis: try disabling secureboot
[21:50] <EriC^^> or set the admin password in the bios and see if you get any security options
[21:51] <bravis> tried with disabled and enabled did not tri with a password
[21:51] <bravis> we will see
[21:51] <EriC^^> bravis: it sounds like it doesn't
[21:51] <EriC^^> like the ubuntu efi file
[21:52] <joci> hi
[21:52] <sevki> #empathy
[21:53] <bravis> not sure what you mean cause i dont fully understand the uefi secureboot cept it was Microsoft trying to lock pc's to only run windows
[21:53] <ikonia> no, thats not true
[21:53] <bravis> bastages
[21:53] <ikonia> it was secure boot implimentation that PC vendors rolled out with the micosoft keys in as default
[21:54] <bravis> and who do you think proposed this..
[21:54] <ikonia> bravis: can you also please stop with the hidden swearing
[21:55] <profetik777> Hi folks.
[21:58] <joci> profetik777:hi
[21:58] <sevki> hi
[21:59] <wevwe> hello there, I am getting the error "initramfs) unable to find a live system" when I try to boot. and I tinkered with bios following some solution advice online. but it didnt solve. I used pendrive as windows-to-linux installer for dual boot.
[22:00] <profetik777> I don't have an issue as of now, but generic questions about wifi, linux, kernel, and drivers.....if anyone is bored and wanna chat
[22:01] <bravis> EriC^^: booted with Uefi not usb but the hd
[22:01] <ohemdevin> Sure, I'm up for casual discussions.
[22:01] <EriC^^> bravis: great
[22:01] <profetik777> sweet!
[22:01] <EriC^^> bravis: try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[22:01] <wevwe> I have an issue as of now,  and will be glad for any help
[22:01] <EriC^^> profetik777: there's #ubuntu-discuss
[22:02] <bravis> ls /sys/firmware/efi config_table  esrt              fw_vendor  runtime-map  vars efivars       fw_platform_size  runtime    systab
[22:02] <joci> profetik777: i am : but i was always wandering that why the wifi sign is not full on ubuntu ? why isnt it full?
[22:03] <bravis> mine is full Joci
[22:04] <lucas-arg1> hello all, any one know how to check ink level on epson stylus tx115??
[22:04] <wevwe> can anyone help me?
[22:05] <bravis> kinda need to see what the issue is..
[22:05] <wevwe> I posted above, initramfs error, no live system
[22:07] <joci> wevwe: cant see the log, just loged in, what is the issue ?
[22:07] <EriC^^> bravis: ok great
[22:08] <wevwe> joci, I am getting the error "initramfs) unable to find a live system" when I try to boot. and I tinkered with bios following some solution advice online. but it didnt solve. I used pendrive as windows-to-linux installer for dual boot.
[22:08] <EriC^^> bravis: now type sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[22:08] <wevwe> maybe it is a pendrive problem, because the install took short..I dont know how long it normally takes
[22:09] <bravis> EriC^^: copied
[22:10] <bravis> EriC^^ anything else prior to reboot
[22:11] <EriC^^> bravis: also type sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[22:11] <EriC^^> bravis: that'll switch the efi files back, then type sudo grub-install , it should add ubuntu to the efi list before windows
[22:12] <bravis> Installing for x86_64-efi platform. Installation finished. No error reported.
[22:12] <bravis> Yeah
[22:12] <bravis> sofar
[22:12] <EriC^^> bravis: sudo update-grub
[22:12] <EriC^^> bravis: then try rebooting
[22:13] <bravis> well it did find the windows efi
[22:13] <bravis> we shall see
[22:16] <bravis> EriC^^: well the option is there but it is looking for windows efi on sdb i think and win is on sda
[22:17] <EriC^^> bravis: yougot grub?
[22:17] <bravis> it does
[22:20] <EriC^^> bravis: what happens when you choose windows?
[22:20] <witchcraft> hi all
[22:20] <bravis> flashes and comes right back to the options
[22:21] <EriC^^> bravis: type "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:22] <bravis> http://termbin.com/zhux
[22:23] <EriC^^> it looks fine
[22:23] <EriC^^> bravis: did you do the sudo cp commands to switch them back?
[22:24] <bravis> Eric^^: last command was   sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[22:25] <EriC^^> bravis: also type sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[22:25] <lolol> ALRIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS
[22:26] <bravis> Eric^^: cp: target '/boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi' is not a directory
[22:29] <EriC^^> bravis: something's wrong with the command
[22:30] <Keydns> hi
[22:30] <Keydns> is there a certain sequence in series of learn to typing programs?
[22:31] <ikonia> typing programs ?
[22:31] <bravis> yes i see it
[22:31] <bravis> sec
[22:32] <OerHeks> !info klavero
[22:33] <OerHeks> oh, klavaro
[22:34] <bravis> Eric^^: hmm not sure
[22:36] <EriC^^> bravis: try ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:37] <bravis> http://termbin.com/eech
[22:40] <synatic> hello
[22:48] <bravis> EriC^^: Not sure where the issue is.. reading
[22:49] <bravis> EriC^: I know it seems like there are a lot of dups.
[22:51] <jpvega> #Linuxuser
[22:51] <jpvega> join #Linuxuser
[23:02] <witchraft> hi all
[23:04] <evade> Hello witchraft
[23:05] <EriC^^> bravis: try again
[23:05] <EriC^^> bravis: also type sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[23:05] <v7> Is here anyone alive ?
[23:05] <teward> v7: given people are talking, yes, but probably not as many as usual
[23:06] <bravis> Eric^^: the above command worked no message
[23:06] <v7> Do you know how to make a fake monitor ?
[23:06] <v7> Make system recognize unnexisting monitor ?
[23:06] <witchraft> @evade hi , i'm playing with irssi , newbie :)
[23:07] <EriC^^> bravis: ok try rebooting
[23:07] <bravis> ok
[23:07] <bravis> brb
[23:07] <witchraft> where i can find good manual or tutorial about irssi?
[23:09] <OerHeks> https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/
[23:09] <guzzlefry> What's a safe way to remove things from /boot?
[23:09] <tgm4883> guzzlefry: use apt
[23:10] <guzzlefry> tgm4883: will it yell at me if i try to remove the current kernel?
[23:11] <tgm4883> guzzlefry: no
[23:11] <guzzlefry> So, not safe. :P
[23:11] <guzzlefry> I think autoremove might do what I want?
[23:12] <bekks> Autoremove will not do what you want. :)
[23:12] <bravis> EriC^^: lol now it boots to windows no ubuntu...
[23:12] <EriC^^> bravis: aha
[23:13] <EriC^^> bravis: that means the bios is hardcoded to boot the windows path
[23:13] <EriC^^> bravis: try to get a boot options menu when the pc starts and boot ubuntu
[23:13] <guzzlefry> bekks: Then why did it free up half of /boot? 0.o
[23:13] <bravis> EriC^^: AH that is why any time before I always had grub in the sda
[23:13] <tgm4883> bekks: autoremove would remove the old kernels I believe
[23:13] <EriC^^> then we can do a workaround to get it to boot ubuntu everytime + windows
[23:14] <bekks> guzzlefry: autoremove will not yell at you when removing the current kernel. :)
[23:14] <tgm4883> guzzlefry: TBF, autoremove also doesn't complain if you go to remove the currently running kernel
[23:14] <EriC^^> bravis: if you can't get a on-the-fly boot options menu you'll have to boot the live usb so we can do it from there
[23:14] <OerHeks> autoremove will exclude current and previous kernel, logically
[23:15] <tgm4883> OerHeks: it has logic to do that?
[23:15] <bravis> ok Hmm have to look this pc up see what it takes as del is bios
[23:16] <tgm4883> OerHeks: I don't see logic to do that. I see logic for it to not remove the latest and latest-1 kernel, but nothing for not removing the currently running kernel
[23:17] <jpvega> test?
[23:19] <ELANATU> Ok so it seems that ubuntu/linux has this very awkward thing going on when disk space reaches 100%: random files get deleted
[23:19] <ELANATU> First Question: Why have it like that? I mean is it not better to give a warning before? I mean deleting random files sounds crazy to me....
[23:19] <ELANATU> Second Question: Can i find out which files have been deleted?
[23:20] <tgm4883> ELANATU: random files aren't being deleted.
[23:20] <OerHeks> how do you tell:  random files get deleted
[23:20] <ELANATU> ok let me explain how i know that....
[23:21] <bravis> EriC^^: OMG this has 4 boot profiles in bios win is default I was able to f11 and choose ubuntu it boots to ubuntu
[23:21] <EriC^^> bravis: ok, can you put ubuntu first in the list?
[23:22] <bravis> EriC^^: no wonder it was being a pain so I need to get the defaule set switch back in bios and it should be golden
[23:22] <bravis> yes I can
[23:22] <EriC^^> ok cool
[23:23] <bravis> brb
[23:27] <ELANATU> i had 600mb free; i downloaded an 800mb file (stupid mistake, i thought i was downloading it on usbpen); then i got the full disk message (but the file holder had created itself, you know for torrent file); then i deleted it and in the end i had 800mb free (so there are 200mb missing somewhere)
[23:28] <bravis> EriC^^: Ubuntu is first and Windows second there was 2 ubuntu I chose one and it boots to won or ubuntu so it now works but probably need to do cleanup...
[23:28] <bravis> win*
[23:29] <EriC^^> bravis: type sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:29] <EriC^^> bravis: so now you get grub when you reboot automatically every time?
[23:30] <bravis> on thet ubuntu i chose yes
[23:30] <bravis> http://termbin.com/jru0
[23:30] <EriC^^> bravis: and without choosing anything?
[23:32] <bravis> EriC^^:yes it boots the ubuntu grub i choose win it goes to win ubuntu goes ubuntu
[23:33] <EriC^^> bravis: type sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0017
[23:33] <EriC^^> that'll delete the ubuntu entry
[23:33] <EriC^^> (the extra one)
[23:33] <bravis> look at the crazy efibootmanager
[23:34] <bravis> sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0017
[23:34] <bravis> k
[23:34] <ELANATU>  OerHeks: is my reasoning not correct? if not, why are there 200mb more free space?
[23:35] <ELANATU>  tgm4883: any idea?
[23:37] <bravis> so do i need  linux boot manager and ubuntu entries?
[23:38] <bravis> no dont need the linux goofiboot
[23:39] <ELANATU> It would be so much of help if i could at least know WHAT WAS DELETED.....
[23:40] <ELANATU> not knowing just makes me go crazy....
[23:40] <bravis> http://termbin.com/62lj
[23:40] <ELANATU> hopefully some cache files or other useless stuff.....
[23:42] <wafflejock> ELANATU, ncdu is nice to see the breakdown of usage on a disk
[23:42] <wafflejock> ELANATU, not familiar with the problem you originally referenced just reading back
[23:42] <ELANATU> shall i repost it?
[23:43] <wafflejock> ELANATU, it's okay just catching up I have it here, may have some questions in a sec
[23:44] <EriC^^> bravis: it looks good
[23:45] <Buamod> This is the first time for me to be here in an IRC OPEN SOURCE PROJECT
[23:45] <Buamod> WELCOME FROM CANADA
[23:45] <jasir> welcome from czech
[23:45] <bravis> EriC^^:  Thanks for all the help would have taken a lot longer to find all the commands and remember everything to de.
[23:46] <EriC^^> bravis: no problem :)
[23:46] <wafflejock> ELANATU, you can use ncdu to see what the space distribution looks like before and after doing some set of commands but in general linux won't just delete files if it's out of space it will just stop writing files to the disk
[23:47] <wafflejock> ELANATU, if you have some suspicion about what location files were deleted from you can watch the filesystem to see if there are  any changes
[23:47] <wafflejock> ELANATU, http://askubuntu.com/questions/541128/monitor-folder-contents-changes
[23:47] <ELANATU> then why are there 200mb more? (before 600mb, after 800mb)
[23:48] <bravis> we both learned something valuable  on msi computers look at the bios for boot items there may be 4 or more.
[23:48] <wafflejock> ELANATU, if you cleared cache on a program somewhere it could have freed space but default behavior isn't to start clearing things up from disk once it's full, cache in memory/RAM may get cleared up as the system needs more RAM but it won't arbitrarily delete files
[23:51] <ELANATU> wafflejock: this is all i did: i had 600mb free; i downloaded an 800mb file (stupid mistake, i thought i was downloading it on usbpen); then i got the full disk message (but the file holder had created itself, you know for torrent file); then i deleted it and in the end i had 800mb free (so there are 200mb missing somewhere)
[23:52] <ELANATU> wafflejock: i deleted it = i deleted the torrentfile
[23:53] <wafflejock> ELANATU, if you can recreate the issue and show the output before and after then can investigate what happened but the system itself won't just delete files, the closest thing to that you'd have in the system by default is log rotation with logrotate
[23:54] <wafflejock> ELANATU, it doesn't typically just delete things either but is responsible for splitting log files once they reach a certain size
[23:54] <ELANATU> wafflejock: i don't understand (sorry) those 200mb more of free disk space in the end....
[23:55] <profetik777> test
[23:55] <ELANATU> i had checked disk space in the beginning, saw it was too little, but then i messed up the setting to download on the usbpen, and this is why all of this happened...
[23:56] <ELANATU> i wanted to download directly on the pen....
[23:56] <debkad> hello, I'm not sure if it is a bug or something else, my vdr stop working whith kernel 4.4.0.57 , back to 4.4.0.53 work fine, thanks to my arch linux for the test when i was guessing my card is going to die
[23:56] <ELANATU> but didn't work...
[23:57] <wafflejock> ELANATU, need steps to actually recreate the problem in order to see what is happening, this is not normal behavior for the system though, when out of space it simply stops writing to disk, perhaps the torrent program you used cleaned up some data it had previously stored on the disk, without seeing full file listings with sizes on the files before and after it's impossible to say what happened now, just know this isn't
[23:57] <wafflejock> something the OS itself does when you run out of space
[23:57] <ELANATU> wafflejock: thanks for your help and sorry for not being a beginner :)
[23:57] <ELANATU> wafflejock: i mean being a beginner....
[23:58] <wafflejock> ELANATU, hehe no problem just hard to diagnose things like that after the fact if you can't reproduce the issue consistently to keep a closer eye on what's going on at each step
[23:59] <ELANATU> yes that's a good idea.... backup everything and then reproduce the issue.... ok i will do that....