[00:02] What is the best way to go about supporting hardware which does not show up in cat /proc/bus/input/devices [00:10] oi [00:10] BlizzLeon, no ID from lspci or lsusb ? [00:10] oi [00:13] OerHeks, Afraid not, the hardware is old enough to be attached over serial, although I doubt it. [00:15] oi [00:15] oi [00:17] oi [00:21] OerHeks, A little more information: I am looking to support the hardware buttons of a tablet. They work in GRUB to select the OS but as soon as I reach Ubuntu, I can't find any trace of them being there at all. [00:25] BlizzLeon, odd as they seem to basicly work. what tablet is this? [00:28] question; in security + privacy settings i told ubuntu not to show/index anything in it. and yet in my dashboard on 16.04 it still shows these files. what to do? [00:29] hello, I have an Odroid C2 and I wonder how can I install Lubuntu. [00:31] OerHeks, It is a Motion Computing J3500 - there are a couple of threads about trying to get the hardware buttons working but they are long dead. [00:32] wow now i just feel like someone is messing with me. there is a folder in the .cache/mozilla/firefox/****.default/cahe2 labled doomed [00:39] BlizzLeon, no idea, there seem to be more than one version, and no promissing search results sofar. [00:40] LissajousPattern: doomed appears defailr. My FF install " drwxr-xr-x 2 sysop sysop 4096 Dec 23 18:38 doomed " . [00:40] LissajousPattern: defailr/default* [00:41] i guess i am doomed by default then [00:41] thanks :) [00:42] LissajousPattern: I am as stumped here as you . Maybe consider the result of installing chromium-browser ? [00:43] it crashes as well [00:43] midori as well [00:43] every browser i have tried crashes [00:43] thunderbird crashes [00:43] Loshki: Yuk ! .. A ram and or swap issue ? [00:44] OerHeks, that's the conclusion I came to - I have noticed a couple of things that confused be though. In xinput list, there are 2 power buttons listed but under xinput test, only one of them shows any activity when the power button is pressed but neither respond to the other hardware buttons. [00:45] i feel like i have gone so far down a rabbit hole here that my ears wont be long enough for anyone to reach in and pull me out [00:47] LissajousPattern: The only commonality that I can see with any browser crashing is ram related . Have you ran a memory test ? [00:47] how would i go about that? [00:48] i was talking with someone earlier and they said something to that effect as well [00:49] LissajousPattern: Booting the live desktop installer to the boot options screen, there is an option to run the mem test . If ya can boot the installed system in grub's advanced menu also is that option ( providing this is not a EFI machine ). [00:50] ok [00:51] LissajousPattern: Ya want at least 3 passes .. and preferably let it run all night for a good test . [00:53] LissajousPattern: How much ram do you have installed ?- by the way . [00:53] 1.5GB [00:55] LissajousPattern: Should be fine for the lighter editions . The heavy weight desk tops need 2 gigs and more . [00:55] and everything was fine before the last update [00:55] yeah i have trie lubuntu and xubutu [00:55] sorry for the typos i am just flat out tired [00:57] LissajousPattern: Nother thought then is to see what 14.04.1 is like // I stress the .1 .. and that will maintain the trustry 3.13 series kernel. [00:57] i have literally gone through 4-5 installs [00:57] just today [00:57] Hello fellow friends [00:58] I want to learn some basic sysadmit stuff.. for devops. [00:58] What's a good path for this? [00:58] and i had a perfectly functioning install of lubuntu on this exact machine less than a week ago [00:58] Hello and Happy Holidays! Question about Claws-Mail and vcalendar plugin. Anyone managed to sync with Google Calendar? [00:58] and an update hit and then bam no browsers [00:59] LissajousPattern: Tired and frustrated, I can understand . As all releases do not perform it sure looks to be hardware related - somewhere . [00:59] i just tried to re-seat the ram and the traces looked ok and everything [01:00] i will do a mem test though === simulated is now known as santa === santa is now known as simulated === simulated is now known as santa [01:01] LissajousPattern: The test will take a bit of time .. about 3 hours ?? for the preliminary ? === santa is now known as Guest66680 [01:09] Hi... Can anyone tell me what "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" means in my dmesg? [01:09] no [01:10] hallo [01:13] ok pps, way outa practice here, but I'm stumped [01:14] can anyone help me get my parallel printer, with new parallel port add-on card recognized? [01:15] no [01:15] thats not helpful freqnasty [01:16] what does linuxprinting.org say about that printer, Guest60127 [01:16] check their database [01:17] k, will try [01:18] although I don't think its the printer, which is a laserjet 2100 [01:18] :) [01:19] the problem seems to be that the add-on card is blocking it ie OS can't see the printer [01:19] ok [01:19] freqnasty, did you have an ubuntu support issue [01:19] take the chit chat elsewhere, if not freqnasty [01:27] Hi... Can anyone tell me what "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" means in my dmesg? [01:28] could be your mouse dalek [01:30] pls: need some help: lsmod | grep par is giving me some results, but I'm stumped otherwise [01:31] Guest60127: ls /dev/lp* [01:32] Ben64: tried that, all that's returned is 'no such file or directory' [01:33] Ben64: and yes, I tried subsituting numbers for the *, same nada result [01:33] then you don't have a parallel port (according to the OS) [01:34] Ben64: ty...although lshw recognizes the add-on cards with the parallel port [01:36] Guest60127: what does lshw say [01:39] Ben64: trying to find it, seems more difficult to do so now [01:40] Ben64: lsmod | grep par still gives me 2 results [01:41] that's not really significant unless you have a /dev/lp0 [01:41] could also do lspci or lsusb depending on how it's connected [01:42] the first parport _pc is now numbered "0", and the one numbered "3" has always been: lp,ppdev,parport_pc [01:42] i have the same, and i disabled my parallel port [01:43] hmmm lspci doesn't seem to see the parallel card [01:45] has anyone here gotten an error unaligned pointer 0xffffffff when trying to boot an install medium? [01:45] does this mean I'm stuck with an lpt1 or nothing? that lpt1 header on the mobo doesn't do much good if I can't use it OR a parallel port add-on card === nchambers is now known as Rudolph [01:46] bummer. [01:48] Guest60127: i'm sure there is a way, but i haven't messed with parallel in many years [01:49] Guest60127: seems like it could be /dev/pp or /dev/parport* as well [01:51] Ben64: "no such file or..." again [01:51] back to swapping cards, searches, reading... ttyl [01:52] anyone here had difficulty with the unaligned pointer problem? [01:53] anyone here had difficulty with the unaligned pointer problem? [01:53] strange [01:53] patience please edaq [01:55] unaligned pointer? edaq.. what is your install medium? [01:55] USB [01:55] (the pc has no cd [01:55] (horrible trying to install to it [01:55] honsetly I have tried 5 OS's [01:56] Lubuntu Ubuntu Linux Mint Puppy [01:56] other people seem to have success with this particular one though [01:56] i like using dd if=/yourimage of=/dev/usbx [01:56] tried different usb [01:56] yeah that too [01:56] tried that [01:56] Unetbootin [01:56] and cp [01:57] i used to get lots of errors with usb live/install [01:57] cp iso /dev/sdb0 [01:57] BTW does it run live at all? [01:57] yeah [01:57] no just goes to grub OEM install thing [01:57] tried with and without secure boot [01:57] with and without legacy [01:57] i would say likely a format error.. your install image not really there [01:58] maybe [01:58] or the quality of the stick [01:58] stick(s) [01:58] I am reinstalling the iso the the usb now [01:58] will be retrying in a sec [01:58] lububntu probably has worked out secure and legacy boot bugs [01:58] (been trying for about a week [01:59] lubuntu? [01:59] wouldnt they be behind ubuntu [01:59] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/usbx [01:59] so im tryinng ubuntu 16.10 on a Dell Inspiron and was able to get it installed just fine. However this laptop comes with a broadcom bluetooth so I used an article to try to get it working [01:59] after doing the article, the bluetooth still isnt working [01:59] will really knock out everything on your usb [01:59] edaq: A thought . there is " check disk for defects" in the installer (desktop) boot options menu . [02:00] yeah, did not work, gave a pointer error also [02:00] i am running mate 16.10 [02:00] the article i used was this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/632336/bluetooth-broadcom-43142-isnt-working-on-ubuntu [02:00] oh [02:00] did you use a proprietary driver ralex [02:00] my system had the same issue [02:00] had to get the broadcom driver for it [02:01] oh. do i have to remove the wifi driver as well? [02:01] from the additional drivers? [02:01] I had to install broadcom propietary driver [02:02] then I installed wicd [02:02] (then some other thing for it to show up on the panel) [02:02] on my lubuntu I had to use etho cable for awhile because it did not want to install the broadcom from online [02:03] told me to insert the disc [02:03] that particular lubuntu could not install from disc player hooked to usb [02:03] so had to grab the package and install it with gdebi [02:03] yeah i installed the broadcom driver that was on the install media [02:03] interesting [02:04] do you have wicd installed? [02:04] no i just installed it [02:04] if you cannot get it working using wicd, then I am out of ideas on that one [02:04] but when you download like 16.04 or 16.10, you can search the cd/usb for bcmwl and copy that to the hd.. then dkms then copy that [02:04] so i got the wifi working but the bluetooth cant connect to my phone [02:05] oh [02:05] hm [02:05] I dont use bluetooth [02:05] that might be another thing [02:10] mkay user16 [02:10] just tried again with fresh image [02:11] got this alloc magic is broken at 0x1ff8ac8-: 1fda3400 [02:11] that is strange [02:12] strangest thing I have ever seen while trying to install a system :P [02:14] hmm [02:14] try really scrubbing your usb stick [02:14] hm [02:14] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/media/usbx bs=50MB [02:15] I will try that [02:15] i was surprised how fast dd runs on linux 4+ [02:15] usbx being of course your usb? [02:15] I thought Unetbootin does that by default [02:16] ie: wiping and formatting [02:16] it is supposed to.. but you said it multiple installs distros on the same usb stick [02:16] I have been trying with 4 different sticks [02:16] really erase it with dd [02:16] will do [02:17] i think dd runs maybe twice as fast on ubuntu 16+ [02:17] ok sweet. i got bluetooth working [02:18] user16, should I do it with dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb1 bs=50MB [02:18] or use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/media/USB bs=50MB [02:18] umm where your usb is what is important [02:18] likely /dev/sdb1 [02:19] if your usb stick starts LED flashing you know you got it [02:19] so firefox works on my fresh install of xubuntu as of just this minute. i did not allow the distro to update during install nor install third party software and magically it works [02:19] just DONT /dev/sda1 or similar [02:21] edaq, you can also install iotop to see the reads and writes of drives it must be run as sudo. [02:21] a [02:22] nice idea [02:22] mkay user16 it is dd ing [02:22] edaq: Ya want to work with the device ( sdb _+ not the partirion ; something like ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' . [02:23] ah [02:23] 4MB? [02:24] the && sync show some output? i never got that part going [02:25] user16: To get live stats from dd; something like ' dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero | pv | sudo dd bs=1M of=/dev/ ' . [02:26] mmhmm [02:26] hm [02:26] or just use iotop [02:26] the dd takes forever on this stick [02:26] weirdness [02:27] how many Gigabytes edaq? [02:27] 4gb [02:27] i think about ten minutes [02:28] could be because dev urandom has to generate the entropy [02:28] ie dev/urandom wont give bits if there arent random bits to give [02:29] so in theory it could be moving slower because I am not generating much entropy === Wulf4 is now known as Wulf [02:31] edaq: urandom will ALWAYS return [02:31] doesn't it delay though? [02:31] you're thinkg of /dev/random (note no u) that blocks when entropy is depleted [02:31] oh [02:31] that makes sense [02:31] my stick is just slow :P [02:31] lol [02:31] i never saw bashing-om's /dev/zero before either [02:32] but if you're concerend with entropy, you can always install haveged, it works out of the box [02:33] if i am right sometimes the grub and worse yet EFI partitions remain even after most formatting [02:34] edaq: urandom is also slow. you're better of with dev/zero [02:34] (slow but nonblocking) [02:34] ah makes sense now [02:34] I used dd zero for making swapfiles [02:34] very fast [02:37] has anyone gotten torsocks to work? i have torbrowser but would really like it in a proxy [02:37] actually I could not get it to work on mine [02:37] torsocks I mean [02:38] but that does not mean it cant be done(I suck with port forwarding etc) [02:39] most of the blogs i read are several years old for torsocks and on ubuntu it is a couple months [02:40] I will be back in 30min [02:48] Is there away to get what a device is really called via a command? [02:48] sudo lshw tarelerulz [02:51] also lspci and lsudb [02:51] usb [02:51] lsusb yes [02:54] It is usb bluetooth dongle that came with a mouse. It works ,but it some off band called proht. [02:55] tarelerulz, if the output gives you an eight character code, you websearch with that === MBP is now known as MBP_ [02:59] out of what bazhang a command or modle number serial number ? [03:00] hey, quick question. i'm trying to install a program that isn't in the package manager. comes as a self-contained tar.gz file which includes the binary and everything else [03:00] what folder do you put programs like this in? /opt? [03:00] tarelerulz, from the lspci/lsusb [03:00] or /usr/share? /usr/local? /usr? etc [03:00] which program MBP_ [03:00] in this case it's cryptocat, but had the same issue with eclipse before [03:01] eclipse's installer wasn't working on my system for some reason, apt's package was way out of date, so just downloaded to install manually [03:01] it's a pretty generic use case that pops up every so often [03:02] MBP_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard === phunyguy is now known as phunysanta [03:03] MBP_, general rule is its not in a distro, it goes in /opt [03:03] Amm0n thanks, seen it. different distros do things differently. in this case my instinct would be to put it in /opt, but i'm wondering if that's right here [03:04] ok, thanks. very helpful [03:05] and people just change the path then to include /opt/whatever in it? [03:08] if anyone reads this keep boxes with detailed information for Linux . Don't get off band stuff. USB seems like works and that is it. [03:48] guy, is there anyway I can move the close and minimize button to the up-right of the windows in unity? [03:48] d0048: no [03:49] xangua, how come... [03:50] cuz unity [03:50] well,fine-/ - [03:51] d0048: As I understand it , that placement is hard coded . [03:52] i prefer xfce [03:54] xfce is configurable :) [03:55] very much so, which is why i enjoy it [03:55] yup [03:55] I try to get away from very cuztomizable DEs because I often procrastinate with them. :D [03:56] it's usually my first order of business [04:02] is it just me or ubuntu is acting up? running `apt update` on 16.04 and 16.04.1 live cd returns a nice "can't move old database out the place", running `apt install --yes debootstrap gdisk zfs-initramfs` on 16.10 returns "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to install updated status of 'zfs-zed': No such file or directory" [04:02] tried with two different usb devices [04:02] both uefi and bios mode [04:03] I'm trying to follow this guide: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu%2016.10%20Root%20on%20ZFS [04:03] getting stuck on the very early steps === begood is now known as Guest38608 === anonymous is now known as Guest97163 [04:07] สวัสดี [04:08] มีเรื่องจะสอบถามมีใครพิมไทยได้ไหมครับ [04:08] !en > Guest97163 [04:08] Guest97163, please see my private message [04:08] !utf > Guest97163 [04:09] ไม่มีใครพิมไทยได้หรอครับ === jz is now known as Guest6600 [04:12] !th | Guest97163 [04:12] Guest97163: Please type /join #ubuntu-th for Ubuntu in Thailand. [04:13] oh he's gone. and the factoid doesn't have a message *in* Thai, which might have made it less helpful [04:14] there's a whole channel just for thailand? [04:59] hello, which DE between Xfce and Mate is more lightweight and is suitable for old laptops? [05:00] LinuxNovice, they're basically equivalent at this point [05:01] ok. which one is more preferred? [05:01] alguien habla español [05:01] LinuxNovice, xfce has a history of being slightly lighter, but Mate is far more common these days [05:01] Ubuntu Mate is probably the prime distro for the raspberry pi [05:01] Why is Mate more common? [05:01] so I'd suggest going with that one [05:01] LinuxNovice: lxde is lighter, but both xfce and mate have more features by default [05:02] I wanted to choose between Mate and Xfce [05:02] Easy choice is go Mate [05:03] ok. I'll try Mate. [05:03] Mate used to be called Gnome 2, and it was the most common desktop before the current generation of fancy [05:04] Anyone has tried Max Linux distros? [05:04] LinuxNovice: How about making up liveUSBs of each and see which "you" like the better ? === nathan is now known as leaftype [05:05] I'll try that too. I needed a very lightweight distro for my very old laptop. [05:05] I too needed [05:06] LinuxNovice, how old? It's best to know what sort of specs we're dealing with - Ram, processor speed, that sort of thing [05:06] LinuxNovice: if it's that old and you have experience with Linux, Lubuntu might be a here fit [05:06] 1gb ram leaftype [05:06] But you haven't really tell your specs, besides "very old" [05:07] LinuxNovice: consider " Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware." . [05:07] t is 11 years old. Runs on Intel Celeron M Single core 1.5 Ghz processor with 2 gb ram. [05:07] how about LXLE? [05:07] hey guys, I have a amd rx470. what graphic driver should I be using with 16.04? I tried amd gpu and padoka ppa and both give me tearing issues and low performance (just when watching videos/working, no games) [05:08] I have Lubuntu in one of those LinuxNovice (only difference 1.7 GHz) [05:08] LinuxNovice: and recently reinstalled Lubuntu 64 bits after living a lie for ten years thinking it only supported 32 bits [05:08] ok. Lxde is more suited for such old machines, I suppose. [05:09] but, my laptop is of 32 bits. [05:09] maybe, but the biggest thing you'll deal with isn't the DE in that case [05:09] Firefox will kill it before LXDE or Mate matters [05:09] Didn't I just say Celeron M supports 64 bits? [05:10] what is the advantage of using 64 bits Lxde on a 32 bit machine. [05:10] ? [05:10] Firefox runs fine,. Just disable smooth scrolling [05:12] if Firefox runs fine, so will any "lightweight" DE. Mate, KDE 3, lxde, xfce - they're all a LOT lighter than firefox is these days. But ohwell, it's not worth arguing over [05:12] lxde is good [05:12] im using it right now [05:12] on a hp stream piece of crapbook [05:13] for conky-manager any ppa's for 16.10 ? apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa seems to be for 16.04 [05:13] s [05:14] ok. But, can I use Lubutu 64 bit on my laptop? It's a 32 bit machine. [05:14] LinuxNovice, no [05:15] you can use 32 bit os on 64 bit pc... but no 64 on a 32 [05:16] ok. I'll try Lubuntu and Mate 32 bit, then. [05:16] LinuxNovice: ' grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo ' If you see "lm" in red, it's 64 bits. Otherwise it's 32 bits.// xangua would not mislead you :) [05:17] grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo what is this? [05:18] ... [05:19] I am new to Linux. === jroach is now known as jeffmr [05:19] LinuxNovice: Looks like it giving CPU info only a geek can understand [05:19] me too [05:20] you could also type "lscpu" [05:20] where? [05:20] are you on linux right now? [05:21] yes. [05:21] open a program called the terminal [05:21] on ubuntu, you can press ctrl+alt+t [05:21] rather, the keys control, alt, and 't', at the same time [05:21] ok. I got it. [05:22] It's a 32 bit machine. [05:22] there ya go [05:22] :-( [05:22] the more you use linux, the more likely you'll star tplaying with the terminal [05:22] it's WAY faster and more flexible than graphical buttons and menus [05:22] ok. [05:23] Will have to learn CLI. [05:23] great. The more you learn, the more amazing it becomes. [05:23] LinuxNovice: grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo shows all skills the cpu can use eg. fpu stands for floating point unit [05:23] I can use 32 bit editions only, on this machine, then. [05:24] do I need to type grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo in the terminal? [05:24] sure [05:26] /newserver [05:27] Is there no conky manager for 16.10 ? [05:27] Rochvellon, what does the 'lm' mean? [05:27] I'll try Lubuntu 32 bit. [05:27] nvm, figured it out [05:30] leaftype: i think it's for monitoring things such like the temperature. You can read this with lm-sensors === laptop is now known as Guest89521 [05:31] Rochvellon, it's a flag for "long mode", meaning it's 64 bit capable [05:31] ah, ok, thank you [05:32] Rochvellon, thank stackexchange :) [05:51] hi === xypher is now known as xyph [05:52] hi [06:06] just installed ubuntu sdk qt any idea where to start [06:48] We'd I on TV? It's love [06:48] Was [06:54] hello [07:04] hello [07:05] hello === Henric_ is now known as Henric [07:31] hi [07:39] hello! [07:41] hello! [07:41] Hello! === guardianL is now known as PaulaBean [08:06] hi guys === arjun is now known as Guest89368 === for{} is now known as EtnieSiPacat [08:31] I have a few IPs from this: 5.126.125.94 - I want to know, where is 5.126.*.* from? I assume an IP uses this in some part of the world, likely Iran - but I want to be sure. Anyway to check this? === Nicmavr is now known as Guest53581 [08:37] .... === Guest53581 is now known as Kestrel-029 [08:45] want to know how could i bypass an icloud [09:02] anyone know if this still applies https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=166161 dual boot with laptop that has uefi.. grub missing the win partition etc [09:13] how do i join those channel [09:13] i barley use these webchats [09:13] #kali-linux i click on it but nothing [09:14] hey everyone [09:14] i had a question [09:14] i have kali linux on VMware [09:14] trying to hack a wifi [09:14] Bob: wrong channel, wrong network [09:15] ssooo there's this step where i have to use comand 'macchanger' [09:15] is it really wrong [09:15] :( damn man i am confused i cant find anywhere to solve my problem [09:15] where should i go? === seth is now known as OpenGL === Schlawiner|BNC is now known as Schlawiner === Nicmavr is now known as Guest78954 [10:11] Merry Krishna and Bah! Humbug! to all ;P [10:14] hello [10:14] everbyody [10:16] Hohoho [10:17] Muhaha [10:17] Bingle Jells! ;P [10:18] whats the linux mint irc c7annel [10:18] onla: How did you manage to type 7 instead of h? Strange keyboard layout? [10:18] !Mint | onla [10:18] onla: Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [10:19] heh.. phone that has dvorak. if press h down too long it makes it 7 [10:19] :) [10:21] ok thanks. hmm oh well my problem is not mint related tho. getting i/o error when trying to install from live cd. Guess there's nothing to do but to change media. md5 hash is ok [10:21] onla: problem is mint related [10:22] onla: error while reading from cd or while writing to hdd? [10:22] the mint support resources can help you [10:22]