| Kilos | hi Langjan hoe gaan dit | 06:57 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | what did you break | 06:58 |
| Kilos | morning everyone else | 06:58 |
| Langjan | Hi Kilos alles wel dankie en met jou? | 07:07 |
| Langjan | Laat geslaap vanoggend? | 07:08 |
| Kilos | nee was buite besig meestal tot ek moeg is weer haha | 07:08 |
| Kilos | ons vang reen water om te drink want ondergrondse water het besoedeling van die myne | 07:09 |
| Langjan | Goeie plan | 07:09 |
| Langjan | is jy nou weer moeg? | 07:09 |
| Langjan | I did the transplant this morning, Juanitas machine no change but mine is running like seven demons are chasing it | 07:12 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| Kilos | hahaha | 07:17 |
| Kilos | i also started playing a war game so when i moeg i sit here and play war | 07:18 |
| Kilos | called liberators | 07:18 |
| Kilos | always short of gold | 07:18 |
| Langjan | Only niggle is win xp in vbox unhappy about new box but will be sorted | 07:18 |
| Kilos | story of my life | 07:18 |
| Kilos | whats the xp for | 07:19 |
| Langjan | Just to run my genealogy program | 07:19 |
| Kilos | aha | 07:19 |
| Langjan | They are hardegat about adapting to linux | 07:20 |
| Kilos | find a way to convert it to linux | 07:20 |
| Kilos | or | 07:20 |
| Kilos | find a linux equivalent | 07:20 |
| Langjan | I have tried but its a long learning curve | 07:20 |
| Kilos | what isnt | 07:20 |
| Langjan | breaking things | 07:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:21 |
| Langjan | I have eight 12v motorcycle batteries that are still usable - know anybody can use them? Or sell to squatters to charge their phones etc | 07:23 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 07:23 |
| Kilos | where did they come from | 07:24 |
| Kilos | sell them on bid or buy | 07:24 |
| Langjan | A go-go mobile cart of an old lady who uses it for shopping trips | 07:24 |
| Langjan | When she cannot get back up the hill she buys new ones | 07:25 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:25 |
| Langjan | Cart sold to her with promise it runs 23 kms on a charge, she hardly gets 5 | 07:26 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:27 |
| Langjan | And she could have got it via Amazon at half the price | 07:27 |
| Langjan | Sharks | 07:27 |
| Kilos | shame man | 07:27 |
| Langjan | Pathetic | 07:27 |
| Kilos | yes those peeps should be shortened a bit | 07:28 |
| Langjan | Now I see they advertise on FB, I put in comment for people to shop via Amazon - am sure they love it | 07:28 |
| Kilos | yes cut their throats | 07:29 |
| Langjan | OK gotta go Kilos chat later have a good day | 07:33 |
| Langjan | leyt me go see what I can break | 07:33 |
| Kilos | go safe my friend | 07:33 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:33 |
| Langjan | thks you too my good friend | 07:33 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 09:59 |
| inetpro | oh and hi oom Kilos as well | 09:59 |
| Kilos | ohi inetpro | 14:39 |
| Langjan | Good day to all. | 16:41 |
| Langjan | Also wet by you Kilos? | 16:57 |
| Langjan | Hi guys, you there Kilos? | 18:14 |
| nsnzero | good evening | 18:15 |
| Kilos | here Langjan | 18:16 |
| nsnzero | hi Kilos | 18:17 |
| Langjan | hello nsnzero and Kilos | 18:17 |
| Kilos | hi nsnzero | 18:17 |
| nsnzero | hi Langjan | 18:17 |
| Langjan | From a wet Bushveld | 18:17 |
| Kilos | yeah rains have been very welcome | 18:17 |
| Kilos | we hadd 55mm on Christmas day | 18:18 |
| Langjan | How are you feeling Kilos? | 18:18 |
| smile | hallo :) | 18:18 |
| Langjan | Lovely, 55 mm | 18:18 |
| Kilos | im ok ty | 18:18 |
| nsnzero | hi smile | 18:18 |
| Langjan | Good | 18:18 |
| Langjan | Hi smile you have a friendly nick | 18:19 |
| Langjan | Q plse Kilos | 18:20 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:21 |
| Langjan | Thks | 18:21 |
| Langjan | Juanitas desktop has ubuntu 14.04 on 30 GB partition of 250 GB drive | 18:22 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:22 |
| Langjan | I want to enlarge the ubuntu partition to about 200 GB and install Win 7 dual boot on the other 50 GB | 18:22 |
| smile | Langjan: of course! :D | 18:23 |
| smile | I am friendly ;) | 18:23 |
| Langjan | Can I do this without damaging the linux installation? | 18:23 |
| nsnzero | Langjan: i read somewhere that it is best to install windows first then linux | 18:23 |
| Langjan | Im sure smile | 18:23 |
| Kilos | yes | 18:24 |
| smile | :DD | 18:24 |
| Kilos | use gparted and make the partition larger | 18:24 |
| Langjan | ok nsn but ubuntu is already there, is it a problem? | 18:24 |
| nsnzero | let me think abot Langjan | 18:24 |
| nsnzero | *abit not about - sorry | 18:25 |
| Langjan | OK but the rest is a 100 GB partition where win 7 was previously and a 100 GB unallocated space | 18:25 |
| Kilos | but normally better to put windows first | 18:25 |
| Langjan | It will not be a problem to backup ubuntu and start afresh | 18:26 |
| nsnzero | i think a virtual machine install will be easier if you using the system for basic windows stuff | 18:26 |
| Kilos | but if win in virtual it shouldnt matter | 18:27 |
| nsnzero | its got a speed issue for gamimg Kilos and graphics | 18:27 |
| Langjan | I have a VBox on my system but it is too finicky, will prefer a win 7 on its own | 18:27 |
| Kilos | he doesnt game with it | 18:27 |
| Langjan | no gaming required here | 18:28 |
| Langjan | aye | 18:28 |
| nsnzero | all work and no play Langjan | 18:28 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:28 |
| Langjan | so looks like I must backup, install win 7 then fresh install Ubuntu | 18:28 |
| Langjan | When I play I dont do it on computers | 18:29 |
| Langjan | then its not a break | 18:29 |
| nsnzero | lol - good one Langjan | 18:29 |
| Langjan | Like fishing or bowling | 18:29 |
| Langjan | lmga | 18:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:30 |
| nsnzero | wait what you can do is make a partition for win7 , and install it in there | 18:30 |
| Langjan | Well if that can work it may be the easier way nsnzero | 18:31 |
| nsnzero | make a second part for your home directory and move everythin across | 18:31 |
| Langjan | Ive heard of that a lot but sounds intimidating | 18:32 |
| Langjan | I get nervous around partitioning | 18:32 |
| Kilos | better to install win and then ubuntu | 18:33 |
| nsnzero | i have seperate parts for root and home - so if i have to install again - i wont loose the home directory , settings , etc | 18:33 |
| Langjan | Is that a better way than backing up home on external drive? | 18:34 |
| Langjan | I suppose backup keeps updated automatically | 18:35 |
| Kilos | very similar | 18:35 |
| Kilos | home is home | 18:35 |
| nsnzero | did you try doing a windows custom install - its in the windows 7 setup | 18:35 |
| Kilos | but if its on its own partition you install fresh but dont format /home | 18:35 |
| nsnzero | Langjan: backups are still essential - this just incase of system failure not hardware failure | 18:36 |
| nsnzero | i break my installs quite often by install from kubuntu cli repository | 18:37 |
| Langjan | nsnzero, yes I have assumed as such but am pondering the added benefits of a separate home partition | 18:37 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/142695/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-having-a-separate-home-partition | 18:38 |
| nsnzero | just 1 benefit - when you do a fresh install everything in home will still be there - saves time | 18:39 |
| nsnzero | 1 thing i hate in virtual box is that usb drive dont get autodetected , you have to select them from a menu | 18:41 |
| Langjan | Bear in mind its my wife's desktop, she only uses it occasionally and then almost exclusively for e-mails and facebook | 18:41 |
| nsnzero | safe bet Langjan - backup - install windows , install linux , restore - rather stick with want you know | 18:42 |
| Langjan | The win 7 I use for backup of my genealogy system, also only very occasionally (fortunately) - I get heartburn from too much windows | 18:43 |
| Langjan | Looks like the thing to do thks nsnzero and Kilos agrees | 18:44 |
| Kilos | yip | 18:44 |
| nsnzero | best of luck - linux will resize the windows part itself too | 18:45 |
| Langjan | Kilos, by the way, my full screen prob is system related, still does the same in the new box | 18:45 |
| Langjan | thks nsnzero | 18:45 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:46 |
| Kilos | not the hardware? | 18:46 |
| nsnzero | what screen prob ? | 18:46 |
| Kilos | graphics card | 18:46 |
| Kilos | get a pci plugin graphics card | 18:46 |
| smile | not pci-e? :p | 18:47 |
| Kilos | yes whatever that motherboard has | 18:47 |
| Kilos | i think the onboard graphics cant handle full screen | 18:48 |
| smile | pci-e is current technology, for ten years now +- :) | 18:48 |
| nsnzero | how i miss my gaming days .... | 18:48 |
| Langjan | Kilos, in both machines? Too much of a co-incidence and Juanitas MBoard never had that problem | 18:49 |
| Kilos | oh i see | 18:49 |
| Kilos | same system in 2 different machines | 18:49 |
| Langjan | yes | 18:49 |
| Kilos | and 14.04 was ok | 18:50 |
| Langjan | Yes | 18:50 |
| Kilos | easy to fix | 18:50 |
| Kilos | install kde | 18:50 |
| Langjan | AArgh! | 18:50 |
| Kilos | hahahahahaha | 18:50 |
| Langjan | Dripping tap again... | 18:51 |
| Langjan | lmga | 18:51 |
| Langjan | But you did say do fresh install, I think that would have sorted it | 18:52 |
| nsnzero | 1 thing i learned in linux - every problem can be solved by tinkering | 18:52 |
| Langjan | Yes as long as you have the time and know where to tinker | 18:53 |
| Langjan | Grey hair does not help, they just get worse | 18:53 |
| Langjan | those that dont fall out | 18:53 |
| Kilos | lol nsnzero he is 8 years and 2 months older than me | 18:54 |
| Kilos | really old | 18:54 |
| nsnzero | Langjan: i am catching up with you guys ... | 18:54 |
| Langjan | but you have higher mileage | 18:54 |
| Kilos | hahahahahaha | 18:54 |
| Kilos | nsnzero you have a long way to go | 18:54 |
| Langjan | how young you nsnzero ? | 18:55 |
| nsnzero | when i go to the barber i ask him to put hair on my head not cut it off | 18:55 |
| Langjan | lmga! | 18:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:55 |
| nsnzero | i will be 40 next year august | 18:55 |
| Langjan | Some guys lose hair in twenties | 18:55 |
| Langjan | ok still umfaan | 18:56 |
| Langjan | but be careful | 18:56 |
| Langjan | jy verloor jou hare as jy 'n skuiwergat trou | 18:56 |
| Langjan | en toelaat dat sy op jou kop sit | 18:56 |
| Kilos | hahahahahaaa | 18:56 |
| nsnzero | how time flies | 18:56 |
| Langjan | yes indeed | 18:57 |
| Langjan | back to win and linux install plse | 18:57 |
| Langjan | do I install win on whole disk or make a partition first? | 18:57 |
| nsnzero | we got side tracked sorry - we agreed , backup and install fresh | 18:58 |
| nsnzero | you can partition during the windows install - in the advanced setup menu - its somewhere there | 18:59 |
| Langjan | ok then allocate as much space as I want to allow for windows | 18:59 |
| nsnzero | yes - leave the rest unallocated space - linux should automatically pick up that space and install there | 19:00 |
| Langjan | and the windows partition formatted to? | 19:01 |
| Langjan | fat32 or something like that? | 19:01 |
| Kilos | ntfs | 19:02 |
| nsnzero | the win7 setup will do all of that - linux doesnt do ntfs i think | 19:02 |
| smile | nsnzero: linux does NTFS | 19:02 |
| smile | I use it :) | 19:03 |
| nsnzero | and now i know , thanks smile | 19:03 |
| MaNI | NTFS support is pretty good these days, though I still wouldn't use it where it can be avoided | 19:03 |
| Langjan | ok but I need to format the disk first? | 19:03 |
| smile | NTFS support works 99,99% of the time, has problems with files being marked as executable while they are not, but it's not a major problem | 19:04 |
| nsnzero | not format - partition it first - 50G for win7 | 19:04 |
| nsnzero | formating will preserve the previous parts which you dont require | 19:05 |
| Langjan | It already has three partitions | 19:05 |
| nsnzero | can i ask why you use ntfs on linux , smile ? | 19:05 |
| smile | I have a dualboot :) | 19:06 |
| smile | ntfs is used for my data partition and my windows partition | 19:06 |
| smile | ext4 support on Windows is bad | 19:06 |
| smile | read support is fine, write support still sucks | 19:06 |
| smile | and performance is very bad | 19:06 |
| nsnzero | Langjan: read out the part , there should be boot , root and swap | 19:07 |
| smile | see you later! :) | 19:08 |
| Kilos | go well lad | 19:08 |
| Langjan | 'bye friendly man | 19:08 |
| nsnzero | take care smile - keep joining the chat | 19:09 |
| Langjan | nsnzero, you lost me there - the drive currently has a 30 GB where ubuntu is, 100 GB unallocated and 100 GB where win 7 was previously | 19:10 |
| nsnzero | Langjan: did you backup your ubuntu ? | 19:10 |
| Langjan | just about done | 19:10 |
| nsnzero | this is not the same machine you chatting from ? | 19:11 |
| Langjan | No, backup completed | 19:12 |
| Langjan | now boot win dvd? | 19:12 |
| Langjan | or gparted first? | 19:13 |
| nsnzero | 1 second Langjan | 19:13 |
| * Kilos watches | 19:13 | |
| nsnzero | all your data is safely backuped - because there is no going back once we start | 19:15 |
| nsnzero | *backed-up | 19:15 |
| Langjan | Yes just did some from her desktop also, then its all done | 19:15 |
| nsnzero | there is a folders called users in the C:\ directory you can copy that straigth across is contains all the other directories for each user | 19:17 |
| nsnzero | win7 dvd and license key on hand ? | 19:17 |
| Langjan | yes but where do I find that C:\ directory? | 19:19 |
| Langjan | users let me have a look | 19:19 |
| Langjan | usr? | 19:19 |
| nsnzero | open explorer - its in the c drive | 19:20 |
| Langjan | sorry nsn, explorer? | 19:20 |
| nsnzero | if its not there and you confident everything is backuped - we can move forward | 19:21 |
| nsnzero | press the windows key + 'e' together to open explorer | 19:21 |
| Langjan | Yes all backed up, complete home folder and desktop | 19:21 |
| nsnzero | wait - we still on ubuntu - nevermind the above | 19:22 |
| Langjan | yes | 19:22 |
| nsnzero | pop in the windows dvd and reboot - select dvd rom in the boot option | 19:23 |
| Langjan | thought I had lost it | 19:23 |
| Langjan | ok | 19:23 |
| nsnzero | in case i get disconnected : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot | 19:24 |
| Langjan | many thks | 19:25 |
| Langjan | windows loading files | 19:25 |
| Langjan | starting wndows | 19:26 |
| Langjan | install or repair | 19:27 |
| nsnzero | install | 19:27 |
| Langjan | ok | 19:27 |
| Langjan | setup starting | 19:27 |
| Langjan | upgrade or custom | 19:28 |
| nsnzero | custom | 19:28 |
| Langjan | then advanced drive options? | 19:29 |
| nsnzero | yes | 19:29 |
| nsnzero | you should see the partition come up | 19:29 |
| Langjan | format? | 19:29 |
| Langjan | it gives predetermined partitions | 19:30 |
| Langjan | and options like new, format, extend, load driver | 19:30 |
| nsnzero | but do those partition add up to the total disk space ? | 19:30 |
| Langjan | yes just about, 250 GB | 19:31 |
| Langjan | I want to limit win to about 50 GB | 19:31 |
| nsnzero | whats the total disk size ? | 19:31 |
| Langjan | 250 | 19:31 |
| Langjan | say 240 GB | 19:32 |
| nsnzero | can you read off the partition names listed ? | 19:32 |
| Kilos | im gonna say night guys. see you in the morning again | 19:32 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:32 |
| nsnzero | take care kilos | 19:32 |
| Kilos | ty | 19:32 |
| Langjan | gnight Kilos sleep well | 19:32 |
| Kilos | dankie oom en julle oo | 19:33 |
| Kilos | k | 19:33 |
| Langjan | disk 0 unallocated 307 MB | 19:33 |
| Langjan | disk 0 partition 1 98 GB system | 19:33 |
| Langjan | disk 0 unallocated space 98 GB | 19:34 |
| Langjan | disk 0 partition 2, 33 GB primary | 19:34 |
| nsnzero | those are the partition we need to delete - click on them and look for a delete option | 19:35 |
| Langjan | disk 0 partition 3 3,9 GB logical | 19:35 |
| Langjan | ok | 19:35 |
| Langjan | all of them | 19:35 |
| nsnzero | all of them | 19:36 |
| Langjan | ok all deleted now 23 GB unallocated space | 19:37 |
| Langjan | 233 GB | 19:37 |
| nsnzero | so we end up with a +- 240G unallocated space | 19:37 |
| Langjan | right | 19:38 |
| nsnzero | is there a continue at the bottom ? select the 233G partition and continue | 19:38 |
| Langjan | option is "new"? | 19:38 |
| Langjan | or refresh or load driver | 19:39 |
| Langjan | or "next" | 19:39 |
| nsnzero | select the "next" button | 19:39 |
| Langjan | now installing windows | 19:40 |
| nsnzero | coffee time Langjan | 19:40 |
| Langjan | I'm keeping you up late nsnzero , shall I continue via the link and get back tomorrow if needed? | 19:41 |
| nsnzero | no i will stay on a bit longer - until the ubunut install | 19:46 |
| nsnzero | time on the windows install to finish ? | 19:49 |
| Langjan | Looks like its done, starting windows | 19:53 |
| Langjan | completing installation | 19:54 |
| Langjan | still running completing | 19:56 |
| Langjan | not sure when to remove dvd | 19:57 |
| nsnzero | it will tell you to reboot | 19:57 |
| Langjan | setup preparing coomputer for first use... | 19:57 |
| nsnzero | ok get the ubuntu dvd ready but dont put it in yet | 19:57 |
| Langjan | it had rebooted a few times, then asks to boot frm CD | 19:58 |
| Langjan | so I have removed win dvd | 19:58 |
| nsnzero | no problem - once windows settles we can boot ubuntu | 19:59 |
| Langjan | ok have just entered name, password etc | 20:00 |
| Langjan | finalizing settings | 20:00 |
| Langjan | rebooting | 20:00 |
| Langjan | preparing desktop | 20:01 |
| Langjan | done, ok now boot on ubuntu dvd? | 20:02 |
| nsnzero | yes - you can start ubuntu | 20:03 |
| Langjan | ok booting | 20:03 |
| Langjan | ah goood... | 20:03 |
| nsnzero | this will start the ubunut live cd - you need to click the install ubuntu icon | 20:04 |
| Langjan | ubuntu starting | 20:04 |
| Langjan | right | 20:04 |
| Langjan | getting there | 20:05 |
| Langjan | install alongside windows 7? | 20:07 |
| nsnzero | ubuntu should detect win7 is already installed on the hardrive | 20:07 |
| nsnzero | yes | 20:07 |
| nsnzero | now there is a slider to set the disk space | 20:07 |
| Langjan | drag divider | 20:07 |
| Langjan | right | 20:07 |
| nsnzero | set the windows to the required 50G | 20:08 |
| Langjan | right | 20:08 |
| Langjan | then install? | 20:08 |
| nsnzero | now once you happy - click forward | 20:08 |
| nsnzero | yes | 20:08 |
| Langjan | there is 1 small hidden partition | 20:08 |
| nsnzero | thats should be the boot partition windows and linux uses | 20:09 |
| Langjan | I assiumed as such, ignore and proceed | 20:09 |
| Langjan | ? | 20:09 |
| nsnzero | yes - ubuntu will install GRUB by itself onto that hidden part | 20:10 |
| Langjan | OK its resizing, I think I will get the rest done - many many thanks nsnzero really apppreciate your time and help | 20:11 |
| nsnzero | ubuntu should be resizing the win7 part | 20:11 |
| nsnzero | no problem at all Langjan | 20:11 |
| Langjan | Setting time zones | 20:11 |
| Langjan | keyboard etc so were there | 20:12 |
| Langjan | Hope you sleep well | 20:12 |
| nsnzero | i hope so too - had a rough night yesterday | 20:13 |
| nsnzero | you take care as well Langjan - good night | 20:13 |
| Langjan | thks nsn go well | 20:13 |
| Langjan | nsnzero, | 20:13 |
| nsnzero | i will wait 15 minutes more just to make sure all goes well though | 20:14 |
| Langjan | Ai, many thks butI'm sure all is well, went very smoothly thanks to expert guidance | 20:15 |
| Langjan | Will just install her desktop and home folder and all should be well, she wont even notice. | 20:16 |
| nsnzero | its only my 2nd dual boot install - i run everything in vmplayer or vbox | 20:16 |
| Langjan | Well done. Dont know vmplayer but use vbox for genealogy program, it has improved of late but is still a bit finicky and loses its win installation if youre not careful | 20:18 |
| nsnzero | yip - i had that problem- on my first install though i did something wrong but it was vbox | 20:19 |
| Langjan | Lost my vbox today simply because it detected that I had inserted the hdd in another machine | 20:21 |
| Langjan | Had to reinstall from scratch | 20:22 |
| nsnzero | yip but it was my first try so it wasnt a biggie | 20:24 |
| Langjan | first time is always big | 20:25 |
| nsnzero | most time i rush the first setup - i dont read the manual properly - so second install is almost always needed | 20:26 |
| Langjan | Afrikaners say "hoe meer haas hoe minder spoed" | 20:29 |
| Langjan | more haste = less speed | 20:30 |
| nsnzero | too fast for my own good !!! | 20:31 |
| Langjan | I'm also inclined to jump and then think | 20:31 |
| Langjan | Patience is a virtue | 20:32 |
| nsnzero | my wife as no patience - calling me to bed now | 20:32 |
| Langjan | but then each of us is unique, created to operate the way we were made for a purpose | 20:33 |
| nsnzero | take care Langjan - chat tomorrow | 20:33 |
| Langjan | OK sleep well nsnzero and apologies to your wife but tell her it was for a good deed for the aged | 20:33 |
| nsnzero | will do - good night | 20:34 |
| Langjan | bye now | 20:34 |
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