[06:57] <Kilos> hi Langjan hoe gaan dit
[06:58] <Kilos> what did you break
[06:58] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[07:07] <Langjan> Hi Kilos alles wel dankie en met jou?
[07:08] <Langjan> Laat geslaap vanoggend?
[07:08] <Kilos> nee was buite besig meestal tot ek moeg is weer haha
[07:09] <Kilos> ons vang reen water om te drink want ondergrondse water het besoedeling van die myne
[07:09] <Langjan> Goeie plan
[07:09] <Langjan> is jy nou weer moeg?
[07:12] <Langjan> I did the transplant this morning, Juanitas machine no change but mine is running like seven demons are chasing it 
[07:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:18] <Kilos> i also started playing a war game  so when i moeg i sit here and play war
[07:18] <Kilos> called liberators
[07:18] <Kilos> always short of gold
[07:18] <Langjan> Only niggle is win xp in vbox unhappy about new box but will be sorted
[07:18] <Kilos> story of my life
[07:19] <Kilos> whats the xp for
[07:19] <Langjan> Just to run my genealogy program
[07:19] <Kilos> aha
[07:20] <Langjan> They are hardegat about adapting to linux
[07:20] <Kilos> find a way to convert it to linux
[07:20] <Kilos> or
[07:20] <Kilos> find a linux equivalent
[07:20] <Langjan> I have tried but its a long learning curve
[07:20] <Kilos> what isnt
[07:21] <Langjan> breaking things
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <Langjan> I have eight 12v motorcycle batteries that are still usable - know anybody can use them? Or sell to squatters to charge their phones etc
[07:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:24] <Kilos> where did they come from
[07:24] <Kilos> sell them on bid or buy
[07:24] <Langjan> A go-go mobile cart of an old lady who uses it for shopping trips 
[07:25] <Langjan> When she cannot get back up the hill she buys new ones
[07:25] <Kilos> ai!
[07:26] <Langjan> Cart sold to her with promise it runs 23 kms on a charge, she hardly gets 5
[07:27] <Kilos> ai!
[07:27] <Langjan> And she could have got it via Amazon at half the price
[07:27] <Langjan> Sharks
[07:27] <Kilos> shame man
[07:27] <Langjan> Pathetic
[07:28] <Kilos> yes those peeps should be shortened a bit
[07:28] <Langjan> Now I see they advertise on FB, I put in comment for people to shop via Amazon - am sure they love it
[07:29] <Kilos> yes cut their throats
[07:33] <Langjan> OK gotta go Kilos chat later have a good day
[07:33] <Langjan> leyt me go see what I can break
[07:33] <Kilos> go safe my friend
[07:33] <Kilos> haha
[07:33] <Langjan> thks you too my good friend
[09:59] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:59] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos as well
[14:39] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[16:41] <Langjan> Good day to all.  
[16:57] <Langjan> Also wet by you Kilos? 
[18:14] <Langjan> Hi guys, you there Kilos?
[18:15] <nsnzero> good evening 
[18:16] <Kilos> here Langjan 
[18:17] <nsnzero> hi Kilos 
[18:17] <Langjan> hello nsnzero  and Kilos 
[18:17] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[18:17] <nsnzero> hi Langjan 
[18:17] <Langjan> From a wet Bushveld
[18:17] <Kilos> yeah rains have been very welcome
[18:18] <Kilos> we hadd 55mm on Christmas day
[18:18] <Langjan> How are you feeling Kilos? 
[18:18] <smile> hallo :)
[18:18] <Langjan> Lovely, 55 mm
[18:18] <Kilos> im ok ty
[18:18] <nsnzero> hi smile 
[18:18] <Langjan> Good
[18:19] <Langjan> Hi smile you have a friendly nick
[18:20] <Langjan> Q plse Kilos 
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:21] <Langjan> Thks
[18:22] <Langjan> Juanitas desktop has ubuntu 14.04 on 30 GB partition of 250 GB drive
[18:22] <Kilos> ok
[18:22] <Langjan> I want to enlarge the ubuntu partition to about 200 GB and install Win 7 dual boot on the other 50 GB 
[18:23] <smile> Langjan: of course! :D
[18:23] <smile> I am friendly ;)
[18:23] <Langjan> Can I do this without damaging the linux installation?
[18:23] <nsnzero> Langjan: i read somewhere that it is best to install windows first then linux
[18:23] <Langjan> Im sure smile 
[18:24] <Kilos> yes
[18:24] <smile> :DD
[18:24] <Kilos> use gparted and make the partition larger
[18:24] <Langjan> ok nsn but ubuntu is already there, is it a problem?
[18:24] <nsnzero> let me think abot Langjan 
[18:25] <nsnzero> *abit not about - sorry
[18:25] <Langjan> OK but the rest is a 100 GB partition where win 7 was previously and a 100 GB unallocated space
[18:25] <Kilos> but normally better to put windows first
[18:26] <Langjan> It will not be a problem to backup ubuntu and start afresh 
[18:26] <nsnzero> i think a virtual machine install will be easier if you using the system for basic windows stuff
[18:27] <Kilos> but if win in virtual it shouldnt matter
[18:27] <nsnzero> its got a speed issue for gamimg Kilos and graphics 
[18:27] <Langjan> I have a VBox on my system but it is too finicky, will prefer a win 7 on its own 
[18:27] <Kilos> he doesnt game with it
[18:28] <Langjan> no gaming required here
[18:28] <Langjan> aye
[18:28] <nsnzero> all work and no play Langjan 
[18:28] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <Langjan> so looks like I must backup, install win 7 then fresh install Ubuntu
[18:29] <Langjan> When I play I dont do it on computers
[18:29] <Langjan> then its not a break
[18:29] <nsnzero> lol - good one Langjan 
[18:29] <Langjan> Like fishing or bowling
[18:29] <Langjan> lmga
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <nsnzero> wait what you can do is make a partition for win7 , and install it in there
[18:31] <Langjan> Well if that can work it may be the easier way nsnzero 
[18:31] <nsnzero> make a second part for your home directory and move everythin across
[18:32] <Langjan> Ive heard of that a lot but sounds intimidating
[18:32] <Langjan> I get nervous around partitioning
[18:33] <Kilos> better to install win and then ubuntu
[18:33] <nsnzero> i have seperate parts for root and home - so if i have to install again - i wont loose the home directory , settings , etc
[18:34] <Langjan> Is that a better way than backing up home on external drive?
[18:35] <Langjan> I suppose backup keeps updated automatically
[18:35] <Kilos> very similar
[18:35] <Kilos> home is home
[18:35] <nsnzero> did you try doing a windows custom install - its in the windows 7 setup 
[18:35] <Kilos> but if its on its own partition you install fresh but dont format /home
[18:36] <nsnzero> Langjan: backups are still essential - this just incase of system failure not hardware failure
[18:37] <nsnzero> i break my installs quite often by install from kubuntu cli repository
[18:37] <Langjan> nsnzero, yes I have assumed as such but am pondering the added benefits of a separate home partition 
[18:38] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/142695/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-having-a-separate-home-partition
[18:39] <nsnzero> just 1 benefit - when you do a fresh install everything in home will still be there - saves time 
[18:41] <nsnzero> 1 thing i hate in virtual box is that usb drive dont get autodetected , you have to select them from a menu 
[18:41] <Langjan> Bear in mind its my wife's desktop, she only uses it occasionally and then almost exclusively for e-mails and facebook
[18:42] <nsnzero> safe bet Langjan - backup - install windows , install linux , restore - rather stick with want you know 
[18:43] <Langjan> The win 7 I use for backup of my genealogy system, also only very occasionally (fortunately) - I get heartburn from too much windows
[18:44] <Langjan> Looks like the thing to do thks nsnzero and Kilos  agrees
[18:44] <Kilos> yip
[18:45] <nsnzero> best of luck - linux will resize the windows part itself too 
[18:45] <Langjan> Kilos, by the way, my full screen prob is system related, still does the same in the new box
[18:45] <Langjan> thks nsnzero 
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my
[18:46] <Kilos> not the hardware?
[18:46] <nsnzero> what screen prob ? 
[18:46] <Kilos> graphics card
[18:46] <Kilos> get a pci plugin graphics card
[18:47] <smile> not pci-e? :p
[18:47] <Kilos> yes whatever that motherboard has
[18:48] <Kilos> i think the onboard graphics cant handle full screen
[18:48] <smile> pci-e is current technology, for ten years now +- :)
[18:48] <nsnzero> how i miss my gaming days ....
[18:49] <Langjan> Kilos, in both machines? Too much of a co-incidence and Juanitas MBoard never had that problem
[18:49] <Kilos> oh i see
[18:49] <Kilos> same system in 2 different machines
[18:49] <Langjan> yes
[18:50] <Kilos> and 14.04 was ok
[18:50] <Langjan> Yes
[18:50] <Kilos> easy to fix
[18:50] <Kilos> install kde
[18:50] <Langjan> AArgh!
[18:50] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[18:51] <Langjan> Dripping tap again...
[18:51] <Langjan> lmga
[18:52] <Langjan> But you did say do fresh install, I think that would have sorted it
[18:52] <nsnzero> 1 thing i learned in linux - every problem can be solved by tinkering 
[18:53] <Langjan> Yes as long as you have the time and know where to tinker 
[18:53] <Langjan> Grey hair does not help, they just get worse 
[18:53] <Langjan> those that dont fall out
[18:54] <Kilos> lol nsnzero he is 8 years and 2 months older than me
[18:54] <Kilos> really old
[18:54] <nsnzero> Langjan: i am catching up with you guys ...
[18:54] <Langjan> but you have higher mileage
[18:54] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[18:54] <Kilos> nsnzero you have a long way to go
[18:55] <Langjan> how young you nsnzero ?
[18:55] <nsnzero> when i go to the barber i ask him to put hair on my head not cut it off 
[18:55] <Langjan> lmga!
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <nsnzero> i will be 40 next year august 
[18:55] <Langjan> Some guys lose hair in twenties
[18:56] <Langjan> ok still umfaan
[18:56] <Langjan> but be careful
[18:56] <Langjan> jy verloor jou hare as jy 'n skuiwergat trou 
[18:56] <Langjan> en toelaat dat sy op jou kop sit
[18:56] <Kilos> hahahahahaaa
[18:56] <nsnzero> how time flies 
[18:57] <Langjan> yes indeed
[18:57] <Langjan> back to win and linux install plse
[18:57] <Langjan> do I install win on whole disk or make a partition first?
[18:58] <nsnzero> we got side tracked sorry -  we agreed , backup and install fresh 
[18:59] <nsnzero> you can partition during the windows install - in the advanced setup menu - its somewhere there 
[18:59] <Langjan> ok then allocate as much space as I want to allow for windows
[19:00] <nsnzero> yes - leave the rest unallocated space - linux should automatically pick up that space and install there 
[19:01] <Langjan> and the windows partition formatted to? 
[19:01] <Langjan> fat32 or something like that?
[19:02] <Kilos> ntfs
[19:02] <nsnzero> the win7 setup will do all of that - linux doesnt do ntfs i think
[19:02] <smile> nsnzero: linux does NTFS
[19:03] <smile> I use it :)
[19:03] <nsnzero> and now i know , thanks smile 
[19:03] <MaNI> NTFS support is pretty good these days, though I still wouldn't use it where it can be avoided
[19:03] <Langjan> ok but I need to format the disk first?
[19:04] <smile> NTFS support works 99,99% of the time, has problems with files being marked as executable while they are not, but it's not a major problem
[19:04] <nsnzero> not format - partition it first - 50G for win7
[19:05] <nsnzero> formating will preserve the previous parts which you dont require
[19:05] <Langjan> It already has three partitions
[19:05] <nsnzero> can i ask why you use ntfs on linux , smile ?
[19:06] <smile> I have a dualboot :)
[19:06] <smile> ntfs is used for my data partition and my windows partition
[19:06] <smile> ext4 support on Windows is bad
[19:06] <smile> read support is fine, write support still sucks
[19:06] <smile> and performance is very bad
[19:07] <nsnzero> Langjan: read out the part , there should be boot , root and swap
[19:08] <smile> see you later! :)
[19:08] <Kilos> go well lad
[19:08] <Langjan> 'bye friendly man
[19:09] <nsnzero> take care smile - keep joining the chat 
[19:10] <Langjan> nsnzero, you lost me there - the drive currently has a 30 GB where ubuntu is, 100 GB unallocated and 100 GB where win 7 was previously 
[19:10] <nsnzero> Langjan: did you backup your ubuntu ?
[19:10] <Langjan> just about done
[19:11] <nsnzero> this is not the same machine you chatting from ?
[19:12] <Langjan> No, backup completed
[19:12] <Langjan> now boot win dvd?
[19:13] <Langjan> or gparted first?
[19:13] <nsnzero> 1 second Langjan 
[19:13]  * Kilos watches
[19:15] <nsnzero> all your data is safely backuped - because there is no going back once we start
[19:15] <nsnzero> *backed-up
[19:15] <Langjan> Yes  just did some from her desktop also, then its all done
[19:17] <nsnzero> there is a folders called users in the C:\ directory you can copy that straigth across is contains all the other directories for each user
[19:17] <nsnzero> win7 dvd and license key on hand ?
[19:19] <Langjan> yes but where do I find that C:\ directory?
[19:19] <Langjan> users let me have a look
[19:19] <Langjan> usr?
[19:20] <nsnzero> open explorer - its in the c drive 
[19:20] <Langjan> sorry nsn, explorer?
[19:21] <nsnzero> if its not there and you confident everything is backuped - we can move forward
[19:21] <nsnzero> press the windows key + 'e' together to open explorer
[19:21] <Langjan> Yes all backed up, complete home folder and desktop
[19:22] <nsnzero> wait - we still on ubuntu - nevermind the above
[19:22] <Langjan> yes
[19:23] <nsnzero> pop in the windows dvd and reboot - select dvd rom in the boot option
[19:23] <Langjan> thought I had lost it
[19:23] <Langjan> ok
[19:24] <nsnzero> in case i get disconnected : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[19:25] <Langjan> many thks
[19:25] <Langjan> windows loading files
[19:26] <Langjan> starting wndows
[19:27] <Langjan> install or repair
[19:27] <nsnzero> install 
[19:27] <Langjan> ok
[19:27] <Langjan> setup starting
[19:28] <Langjan> upgrade or custom
[19:28] <nsnzero> custom
[19:29] <Langjan> then advanced drive options?
[19:29] <nsnzero> yes
[19:29] <nsnzero> you should see the partition come up 
[19:29] <Langjan> format?
[19:30] <Langjan> it gives predetermined partitions
[19:30] <Langjan> and options like new, format, extend, load driver
[19:30] <nsnzero> but do those partition add up to the total disk space ?
[19:31] <Langjan> yes just about, 250 GB
[19:31] <Langjan> I want to limit win to about 50 GB
[19:31] <nsnzero> whats the total disk size ?
[19:31] <Langjan> 250
[19:32] <Langjan> say 240 GB
[19:32] <nsnzero> can you read off the partition names listed ?
[19:32] <Kilos> im gonna say night guys. see you in the morning again
[19:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:32] <nsnzero> take care kilos
[19:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:32] <Langjan> gnight Kilos sleep well
[19:33] <Kilos> dankie oom en julle oo
[19:33] <Kilos> k
[19:33] <Langjan> disk 0 unallocated 307 MB
[19:33] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 1 98 GB system
[19:34] <Langjan> disk 0 unallocated space 98 GB
[19:34] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 2, 33 GB primary
[19:35] <nsnzero> those are the partition we need to delete - click on them and look for a delete option 
[19:35] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 3 3,9 GB logical
[19:35] <Langjan> ok
[19:35] <Langjan> all of them
[19:36] <nsnzero> all of them
[19:37] <Langjan> ok all deleted now 23 GB unallocated space
[19:37] <Langjan> 233 GB
[19:37] <nsnzero> so we end up with a +- 240G unallocated space 
[19:38] <Langjan> right
[19:38] <nsnzero> is there a continue at the bottom ? select the 233G partition and continue
[19:38] <Langjan> option is "new"?
[19:39] <Langjan> or refresh or load driver
[19:39] <Langjan> or "next"
[19:39] <nsnzero> select the "next" button  
[19:40] <Langjan> now installing windows
[19:40] <nsnzero> coffee time Langjan 
[19:41] <Langjan> I'm keeping you up late nsnzero , shall I continue via the link and get back tomorrow if needed? 
[19:46] <nsnzero> no i will stay on a bit longer - until the ubunut install
[19:49] <nsnzero> time on the windows install to finish ?
[19:53] <Langjan> Looks like its done, starting windows
[19:54] <Langjan> completing installation
[19:56] <Langjan> still running completing
[19:57] <Langjan> not sure when to remove dvd
[19:57] <nsnzero> it will tell you to reboot 
[19:57] <Langjan> setup preparing coomputer for first use...
[19:57] <nsnzero> ok get the ubuntu dvd ready but dont put it in yet
[19:58] <Langjan> it had rebooted a few times, then asks to boot frm CD
[19:58] <Langjan> so I have removed win dvd
[19:59] <nsnzero> no problem - once windows settles we can boot ubuntu 
[20:00] <Langjan> ok have just entered name, password etc
[20:00] <Langjan> finalizing settings
[20:00] <Langjan> rebooting
[20:01] <Langjan> preparing desktop
[20:02] <Langjan> done, ok now boot on ubuntu dvd?
[20:03] <nsnzero> yes - you can start ubuntu
[20:03] <Langjan> ok booting
[20:03] <Langjan> ah goood...
[20:04] <nsnzero> this will start the ubunut live cd - you need to click the install ubuntu icon 
[20:04] <Langjan> ubuntu starting
[20:04] <Langjan> right
[20:05] <Langjan> getting there
[20:07] <Langjan> install alongside windows 7?
[20:07] <nsnzero> ubuntu should detect win7 is already installed on the hardrive 
[20:07] <nsnzero> yes 
[20:07] <nsnzero> now there is a slider to set the disk space 
[20:07] <Langjan> drag divider
[20:07] <Langjan> right
[20:08] <nsnzero> set the windows to the required 50G 
[20:08] <Langjan> right
[20:08] <Langjan> then install?
[20:08] <nsnzero> now once you happy - click forward
[20:08] <nsnzero> yes 
[20:08] <Langjan> there is 1 small hidden partition
[20:09] <nsnzero> thats should be the boot partition windows and linux uses
[20:09] <Langjan> I assiumed as such, ignore and proceed
[20:09] <Langjan> ?
[20:10] <nsnzero> yes - ubuntu will install GRUB by itself onto that hidden part
[20:11] <Langjan> OK its resizing, I think I will get the rest done - many many thanks nsnzero really apppreciate your time and help
[20:11] <nsnzero> ubuntu should be resizing the win7 part
[20:11] <nsnzero> no problem at all Langjan 
[20:11] <Langjan> Setting time zones
[20:12] <Langjan> keyboard etc so were there
[20:12] <Langjan> Hope you sleep well 
[20:13] <nsnzero> i hope so too - had a rough night yesterday 
[20:13] <nsnzero> you take care as well Langjan - good night
[20:13] <Langjan> thks nsn go well
[20:13] <Langjan> nsnzero, 
[20:14] <nsnzero> i will wait 15 minutes more just to make sure all goes well though
[20:15] <Langjan> Ai, many thks butI'm sure all is well, went very smoothly thanks to expert guidance
[20:16] <Langjan> Will just install her desktop and home folder and all should be well, she wont even notice. 
[20:16] <nsnzero> its only my 2nd dual boot install - i run everything in vmplayer or vbox 
[20:18] <Langjan> Well done. Dont know vmplayer but use vbox for genealogy program, it has improved of late but is still a bit finicky and loses its win installation if youre not careful 
[20:19] <nsnzero> yip - i had that problem- on my first install though i did something wrong but it was vbox 
[20:21] <Langjan> Lost my vbox today simply because it detected that I had inserted the hdd in another machine
[20:22] <Langjan> Had to reinstall from scratch 
[20:24] <nsnzero> yip but it was my first try so it wasnt a biggie
[20:25] <Langjan> first time is always big
[20:26] <nsnzero> most time i rush the first setup - i dont read the manual properly - so second install is almost always needed 
[20:29] <Langjan> Afrikaners say "hoe meer haas hoe minder spoed"
[20:30] <Langjan> more haste = less speed
[20:31] <nsnzero> too fast for my own good !!!
[20:31] <Langjan> I'm also inclined to jump and then think
[20:32] <Langjan> Patience is a virtue
[20:32] <nsnzero> my wife as no patience - calling me to bed now 
[20:33] <Langjan> but then each of us is unique, created to operate the way we were made for a purpose 
[20:33] <nsnzero> take care Langjan - chat tomorrow
[20:33] <Langjan> OK sleep well nsnzero and apologies to your wife but tell her it was for a good deed for the aged
[20:34] <nsnzero> will do - good night
[20:34] <Langjan> bye now