[06:57] hi Langjan hoe gaan dit [06:58] what did you break [06:58] morning everyone else [07:07] Hi Kilos alles wel dankie en met jou? [07:08] Laat geslaap vanoggend? [07:08] nee was buite besig meestal tot ek moeg is weer haha [07:09] ons vang reen water om te drink want ondergrondse water het besoedeling van die myne [07:09] Goeie plan [07:09] is jy nou weer moeg? [07:12] I did the transplant this morning, Juanitas machine no change but mine is running like seven demons are chasing it === MaNL is now known as MaNI [07:17] hahaha [07:18] i also started playing a war game so when i moeg i sit here and play war [07:18] called liberators [07:18] always short of gold [07:18] Only niggle is win xp in vbox unhappy about new box but will be sorted [07:18] story of my life [07:19] whats the xp for [07:19] Just to run my genealogy program [07:19] aha [07:20] They are hardegat about adapting to linux [07:20] find a way to convert it to linux [07:20] or [07:20] find a linux equivalent [07:20] I have tried but its a long learning curve [07:20] what isnt [07:21] breaking things [07:21] lol [07:23] I have eight 12v motorcycle batteries that are still usable - know anybody can use them? Or sell to squatters to charge their phones etc [07:23] sjoe [07:24] where did they come from [07:24] sell them on bid or buy [07:24] A go-go mobile cart of an old lady who uses it for shopping trips [07:25] When she cannot get back up the hill she buys new ones [07:25] ai! [07:26] Cart sold to her with promise it runs 23 kms on a charge, she hardly gets 5 [07:27] ai! [07:27] And she could have got it via Amazon at half the price [07:27] Sharks [07:27] shame man [07:27] Pathetic [07:28] yes those peeps should be shortened a bit [07:28] Now I see they advertise on FB, I put in comment for people to shop via Amazon - am sure they love it [07:29] yes cut their throats [07:33] OK gotta go Kilos chat later have a good day [07:33] leyt me go see what I can break [07:33] go safe my friend [07:33] haha [07:33] thks you too my good friend [09:59] good mornings [09:59] oh and hi oom Kilos as well [14:39] ohi inetpro [16:41] Good day to all. [16:57] Also wet by you Kilos? [18:14] Hi guys, you there Kilos? [18:15] good evening [18:16] here Langjan [18:17] hi Kilos [18:17] hello nsnzero and Kilos [18:17] hi nsnzero [18:17] hi Langjan [18:17] From a wet Bushveld [18:17] yeah rains have been very welcome [18:18] we hadd 55mm on Christmas day [18:18] How are you feeling Kilos? [18:18] hallo :) [18:18] Lovely, 55 mm [18:18] im ok ty [18:18] hi smile [18:18] Good [18:19] Hi smile you have a friendly nick [18:20] Q plse Kilos [18:21] ok [18:21] Thks [18:22] Juanitas desktop has ubuntu 14.04 on 30 GB partition of 250 GB drive [18:22] ok [18:22] I want to enlarge the ubuntu partition to about 200 GB and install Win 7 dual boot on the other 50 GB [18:23] Langjan: of course! :D [18:23] I am friendly ;) [18:23] Can I do this without damaging the linux installation? [18:23] Langjan: i read somewhere that it is best to install windows first then linux [18:23] Im sure smile [18:24] yes [18:24] :DD [18:24] use gparted and make the partition larger [18:24] ok nsn but ubuntu is already there, is it a problem? [18:24] let me think abot Langjan [18:25] *abit not about - sorry [18:25] OK but the rest is a 100 GB partition where win 7 was previously and a 100 GB unallocated space [18:25] but normally better to put windows first [18:26] It will not be a problem to backup ubuntu and start afresh [18:26] i think a virtual machine install will be easier if you using the system for basic windows stuff [18:27] but if win in virtual it shouldnt matter [18:27] its got a speed issue for gamimg Kilos and graphics [18:27] I have a VBox on my system but it is too finicky, will prefer a win 7 on its own [18:27] he doesnt game with it [18:28] no gaming required here [18:28] aye [18:28] all work and no play Langjan [18:28] haha [18:28] so looks like I must backup, install win 7 then fresh install Ubuntu [18:29] When I play I dont do it on computers [18:29] then its not a break [18:29] lol - good one Langjan [18:29] Like fishing or bowling [18:29] lmga [18:30] lol [18:30] wait what you can do is make a partition for win7 , and install it in there [18:31] Well if that can work it may be the easier way nsnzero [18:31] make a second part for your home directory and move everythin across [18:32] Ive heard of that a lot but sounds intimidating [18:32] I get nervous around partitioning [18:33] better to install win and then ubuntu [18:33] i have seperate parts for root and home - so if i have to install again - i wont loose the home directory , settings , etc [18:34] Is that a better way than backing up home on external drive? [18:35] I suppose backup keeps updated automatically [18:35] very similar [18:35] home is home [18:35] did you try doing a windows custom install - its in the windows 7 setup [18:35] but if its on its own partition you install fresh but dont format /home [18:36] Langjan: backups are still essential - this just incase of system failure not hardware failure [18:37] i break my installs quite often by install from kubuntu cli repository [18:37] nsnzero, yes I have assumed as such but am pondering the added benefits of a separate home partition [18:38] http://askubuntu.com/questions/142695/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-having-a-separate-home-partition [18:39] just 1 benefit - when you do a fresh install everything in home will still be there - saves time [18:41] 1 thing i hate in virtual box is that usb drive dont get autodetected , you have to select them from a menu [18:41] Bear in mind its my wife's desktop, she only uses it occasionally and then almost exclusively for e-mails and facebook [18:42] safe bet Langjan - backup - install windows , install linux , restore - rather stick with want you know [18:43] The win 7 I use for backup of my genealogy system, also only very occasionally (fortunately) - I get heartburn from too much windows [18:44] Looks like the thing to do thks nsnzero and Kilos agrees [18:44] yip [18:45] best of luck - linux will resize the windows part itself too [18:45] Kilos, by the way, my full screen prob is system related, still does the same in the new box [18:45] thks nsnzero [18:46] oh my [18:46] not the hardware? [18:46] what screen prob ? [18:46] graphics card [18:46] get a pci plugin graphics card [18:47] not pci-e? :p [18:47] yes whatever that motherboard has [18:48] i think the onboard graphics cant handle full screen [18:48] pci-e is current technology, for ten years now +- :) [18:48] how i miss my gaming days .... [18:49] Kilos, in both machines? Too much of a co-incidence and Juanitas MBoard never had that problem [18:49] oh i see [18:49] same system in 2 different machines [18:49] yes [18:50] and 14.04 was ok [18:50] Yes [18:50] easy to fix [18:50] install kde [18:50] AArgh! [18:50] hahahahahaha [18:51] Dripping tap again... [18:51] lmga [18:52] But you did say do fresh install, I think that would have sorted it [18:52] 1 thing i learned in linux - every problem can be solved by tinkering [18:53] Yes as long as you have the time and know where to tinker [18:53] Grey hair does not help, they just get worse [18:53] those that dont fall out [18:54] lol nsnzero he is 8 years and 2 months older than me [18:54] really old [18:54] Langjan: i am catching up with you guys ... [18:54] but you have higher mileage [18:54] hahahahahaha [18:54] nsnzero you have a long way to go [18:55] how young you nsnzero ? [18:55] when i go to the barber i ask him to put hair on my head not cut it off [18:55] lmga! [18:55] lol [18:55] i will be 40 next year august [18:55] Some guys lose hair in twenties [18:56] ok still umfaan [18:56] but be careful [18:56] jy verloor jou hare as jy 'n skuiwergat trou [18:56] en toelaat dat sy op jou kop sit [18:56] hahahahahaaa [18:56] how time flies [18:57] yes indeed [18:57] back to win and linux install plse [18:57] do I install win on whole disk or make a partition first? [18:58] we got side tracked sorry - we agreed , backup and install fresh [18:59] you can partition during the windows install - in the advanced setup menu - its somewhere there [18:59] ok then allocate as much space as I want to allow for windows [19:00] yes - leave the rest unallocated space - linux should automatically pick up that space and install there [19:01] and the windows partition formatted to? [19:01] fat32 or something like that? [19:02] ntfs [19:02] the win7 setup will do all of that - linux doesnt do ntfs i think [19:02] nsnzero: linux does NTFS [19:03] I use it :) [19:03] and now i know , thanks smile [19:03] NTFS support is pretty good these days, though I still wouldn't use it where it can be avoided [19:03] ok but I need to format the disk first? [19:04] NTFS support works 99,99% of the time, has problems with files being marked as executable while they are not, but it's not a major problem [19:04] not format - partition it first - 50G for win7 [19:05] formating will preserve the previous parts which you dont require [19:05] It already has three partitions [19:05] can i ask why you use ntfs on linux , smile ? [19:06] I have a dualboot :) [19:06] ntfs is used for my data partition and my windows partition [19:06] ext4 support on Windows is bad [19:06] read support is fine, write support still sucks [19:06] and performance is very bad [19:07] Langjan: read out the part , there should be boot , root and swap [19:08] see you later! :) [19:08] go well lad [19:08] 'bye friendly man [19:09] take care smile - keep joining the chat [19:10] nsnzero, you lost me there - the drive currently has a 30 GB where ubuntu is, 100 GB unallocated and 100 GB where win 7 was previously [19:10] Langjan: did you backup your ubuntu ? [19:10] just about done [19:11] this is not the same machine you chatting from ? [19:12] No, backup completed [19:12] now boot win dvd? [19:13] or gparted first? [19:13] 1 second Langjan [19:13] * Kilos watches [19:15] all your data is safely backuped - because there is no going back once we start [19:15] *backed-up [19:15] Yes just did some from her desktop also, then its all done [19:17] there is a folders called users in the C:\ directory you can copy that straigth across is contains all the other directories for each user [19:17] win7 dvd and license key on hand ? [19:19] yes but where do I find that C:\ directory? [19:19] users let me have a look [19:19] usr? [19:20] open explorer - its in the c drive [19:20] sorry nsn, explorer? [19:21] if its not there and you confident everything is backuped - we can move forward [19:21] press the windows key + 'e' together to open explorer [19:21] Yes all backed up, complete home folder and desktop [19:22] wait - we still on ubuntu - nevermind the above [19:22] yes [19:23] pop in the windows dvd and reboot - select dvd rom in the boot option [19:23] thought I had lost it [19:23] ok [19:24] in case i get disconnected : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot [19:25] many thks [19:25] windows loading files [19:26] starting wndows [19:27] install or repair [19:27] install [19:27] ok [19:27] setup starting [19:28] upgrade or custom [19:28] custom [19:29] then advanced drive options? [19:29] yes [19:29] you should see the partition come up [19:29] format? [19:30] it gives predetermined partitions [19:30] and options like new, format, extend, load driver [19:30] but do those partition add up to the total disk space ? [19:31] yes just about, 250 GB [19:31] I want to limit win to about 50 GB [19:31] whats the total disk size ? [19:31] 250 [19:32] say 240 GB [19:32] can you read off the partition names listed ? [19:32] im gonna say night guys. see you in the morning again [19:32] night all. sleep tight [19:32] take care kilos [19:32] ty [19:32] gnight Kilos sleep well [19:33] dankie oom en julle oo [19:33] k [19:33] disk 0 unallocated 307 MB [19:33] disk 0 partition 1 98 GB system [19:34] disk 0 unallocated space 98 GB [19:34] disk 0 partition 2, 33 GB primary [19:35] those are the partition we need to delete - click on them and look for a delete option [19:35] disk 0 partition 3 3,9 GB logical [19:35] ok [19:35] all of them [19:36] all of them [19:37] ok all deleted now 23 GB unallocated space [19:37] 233 GB [19:37] so we end up with a +- 240G unallocated space [19:38] right [19:38] is there a continue at the bottom ? select the 233G partition and continue [19:38] option is "new"? [19:39] or refresh or load driver [19:39] or "next" [19:39] select the "next" button [19:40] now installing windows [19:40] coffee time Langjan [19:41] I'm keeping you up late nsnzero , shall I continue via the link and get back tomorrow if needed? [19:46] no i will stay on a bit longer - until the ubunut install [19:49] time on the windows install to finish ? [19:53] Looks like its done, starting windows [19:54] completing installation [19:56] still running completing [19:57] not sure when to remove dvd [19:57] it will tell you to reboot [19:57] setup preparing coomputer for first use... [19:57] ok get the ubuntu dvd ready but dont put it in yet [19:58] it had rebooted a few times, then asks to boot frm CD [19:58] so I have removed win dvd [19:59] no problem - once windows settles we can boot ubuntu [20:00] ok have just entered name, password etc [20:00] finalizing settings [20:00] rebooting [20:01] preparing desktop [20:02] done, ok now boot on ubuntu dvd? [20:03] yes - you can start ubuntu [20:03] ok booting [20:03] ah goood... [20:04] this will start the ubunut live cd - you need to click the install ubuntu icon [20:04] ubuntu starting [20:04] right [20:05] getting there [20:07] install alongside windows 7? [20:07] ubuntu should detect win7 is already installed on the hardrive [20:07] yes [20:07] now there is a slider to set the disk space [20:07] drag divider [20:07] right [20:08] set the windows to the required 50G [20:08] right [20:08] then install? [20:08] now once you happy - click forward [20:08] yes [20:08] there is 1 small hidden partition [20:09] thats should be the boot partition windows and linux uses [20:09] I assiumed as such, ignore and proceed [20:09] ? [20:10] yes - ubuntu will install GRUB by itself onto that hidden part [20:11] OK its resizing, I think I will get the rest done - many many thanks nsnzero really apppreciate your time and help [20:11] ubuntu should be resizing the win7 part [20:11] no problem at all Langjan [20:11] Setting time zones [20:12] keyboard etc so were there [20:12] Hope you sleep well [20:13] i hope so too - had a rough night yesterday [20:13] you take care as well Langjan - good night [20:13] thks nsn go well [20:13] nsnzero, [20:14] i will wait 15 minutes more just to make sure all goes well though [20:15] Ai, many thks butI'm sure all is well, went very smoothly thanks to expert guidance [20:16] Will just install her desktop and home folder and all should be well, she wont even notice. [20:16] its only my 2nd dual boot install - i run everything in vmplayer or vbox [20:18] Well done. Dont know vmplayer but use vbox for genealogy program, it has improved of late but is still a bit finicky and loses its win installation if youre not careful [20:19] yip - i had that problem- on my first install though i did something wrong but it was vbox [20:21] Lost my vbox today simply because it detected that I had inserted the hdd in another machine [20:22] Had to reinstall from scratch [20:24] yip but it was my first try so it wasnt a biggie [20:25] first time is always big [20:26] most time i rush the first setup - i dont read the manual properly - so second install is almost always needed [20:29] Afrikaners say "hoe meer haas hoe minder spoed" [20:30] more haste = less speed [20:31] too fast for my own good !!! [20:31] I'm also inclined to jump and then think [20:32] Patience is a virtue [20:32] my wife as no patience - calling me to bed now [20:33] but then each of us is unique, created to operate the way we were made for a purpose [20:33] take care Langjan - chat tomorrow [20:33] OK sleep well nsnzero and apologies to your wife but tell her it was for a good deed for the aged [20:34] will do - good night [20:34] bye now