[00:00] <johnflux> sruli: hmm, I still get the black screen
[00:00] <johnflux> sruli: but this time there's no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:00] <johnflux> sruli: how strange.  According to that log, the nvidia driver loads up
[00:00] <snowcatman> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/wqyk
[00:01] <sruli> johnflux: get the motherboard model using "sudo lshw"
[00:03] <johnflux> sruli: stupid problem..  but I can't get a pipe symbol on my keyboard configuration :-)
[00:03] <johnflux> sruli: (and I can't scroll up enough on the output of lshw)
[00:04] <sruli> johnflux: right ALT+ the key to the left of number 1 (not keypad)
[00:05] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Good there also, so now we proceed to clean up amd try and fix the package manager , One step at a time , 1st run ' sudo apt-get autoclean ' .
[00:05] <sruli> johnflux: "sudo dmidecode -t 2" will give you what you need
[00:05] <johnflux> sruli: oh!  cool that worked :-)
[00:05] <johnflux> sruli: H97-PRO
[00:07] <snowcatman> Bashing-om done.
[00:08] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Next ' sudo apt autoremove ' .
[00:08] <sruli> johnflux: on the spec i cant even find that it suppoers legacy rom.. try now without the nomodset, see what happens
[00:08] <johnflux> sruli: I just tried :-)  same black screen.. checking logs..
[00:09] <snowcatman> Bashing-om same errors as before the linux headers
[00:10] <sruli> i have a wird issue.. trying "apt get remove <pkg>" .. error: could not get lock.. i made "ps aux | grep /var/lib/dpkg/" nothing is using it.. whats going on here?
[00:10] <johnflux> sruli: same result as with nomodeset - there's no errors in Xorg.0.log
[00:10] <johnflux> sruli: it shows the nvidia driver loading up
[00:10] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Show me that output . Maybe we can proceed ?
[00:10] <johnflux> sruli: and it seems happy!
[00:11] <sruli> johnflux: but you still have black screen?
[00:11] <johnflux> yes
[00:11] <johnflux> ah dmesg complains
[00:11] <schattenkatze> Hello. Is there maybe a smaller installation iso of Kubuntu 16.10? (One that is not 1,5 GB big?) My Internet is extremely bad andit would take too long now to download 1,5 GB.
[00:11] <johnflux> "Your system is not currently configured to driver a VGA console"
[00:11] <johnflux> "The NVIDIA Linux graphics driver requires the use of a text-mode VGA console"
[00:12] <bazhang> schattenkatze, get the mini and add to it
[00:12] <johnflux> hmm, what is it complaining about :-)
[00:12] <bazhang> !mini | schattenkatze
[00:13] <schattenkatze> Thank you very much, bazhang! This is exactly what I was looking for
[00:13] <johnflux> sruli: I could try nomodeset again
[00:13] <bazhang> welcome
[00:13] <johnflux> sruli: and check the dmesg output there
[00:14] <snowcatman> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/eczl with E: The packeage linux-headers-4.4.0-53 need to be reinstalled, but i cant find an archive for it.
[00:14] <sruli> i have a wird issue.. trying "apt get remove <pkg>" .. error: could not get lock.. i made "ps aux | grep /var/lib/dpkg/" nothing is using it.. whats going on here?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Check what you sent ' http://termbin.com/eczl ' does not make any sense to me in repect to "autoremove" .
[00:22] <snowcatman> Bashing-om idk why eather
[00:22] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Try as ' sudo apt autoremove 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[00:22] <snowcatman> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/i0yy
[00:25] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Yuk, do not know what to make of the system (yakkety) wanting a xenial kernel (4.4.0-53) . What kernels are installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- | nc termbin.com 9999 ' ?
[00:26] <Scoop_> Just wanted to thank everyone who guided me through the way -  recovering my corupted ubuntu install - Today i managed to recover it!
[00:27] <snowcatman> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/inr3
[00:29] <Scoop_> tomreyn, ^^Eric and others, thank  you - you helped a lot!
[00:29] <Scoop_> Eric^^ *
[00:30] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Humm no yakkety kernel ? .....
[00:31] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[00:31] <chalcedony> my husband lost his weather apps when his system crashed. what do i need to look for? - icons on the top bar
[00:32] <sruli> chalcedony: is it regular ubuntu? version?
[00:33] <chalcedony> hi sruli its ubuntu 16.04
[00:33] <chalcedony> with gnome
[00:34] <sruli> chalcedony: was it this one https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/613/weather/ ?
[00:34] <chalcedony> thanks looking
[00:35] <circlesquare> hello Unbuntu people, does anyone know a way to spoof hdd serial number on linux environement?
[00:36] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Srill considering what we can do . What kernel are you booting now ? paste back here 'uname -r ' result ( a one liner ) .
[00:37] <chalcedony> sruli, moment phone
[00:37] <snowcatman> Bashing-om 4.4.0-53-generic
[00:38] <sruli> chalcedony: this is a larger image of it http://tinyurl.com/gw87ruf
[00:38] <tomreyn> Scoop_: glad you succeeded, welcome
[00:38] <tomreyn> gp: i noticed it's a 386 package only, which is why i pointed out there is a PPA file in there you could extract
[00:39] <tomreyn> gp: it's possible that you don't need anything else,worth a try.
[00:39] <gp> tomreyn: the ppa file is where I started but it complains about not having the binaries
[00:40] <gp> not sure whats going on there
[00:40] <gp> I emailed brother support maybe they will be able to tell me a known working configuration I can use to work from
[00:40] <tomreyn> gp: i see. dunno then, you should be able to install i686 packages on x86_64 though
[00:41] <tomreyn> or you could just repackage it, since from what i could tell, it only consists of bash scripts
[00:41] <p_d> I want to install Pandoc as via the installation page- http://pandoc.org/installing.html I ran sudo dpkg -i $DEB but it gives the following result-http://pastebin.com/T9fJimtj How to fix
[00:43] <sruli> p_d: are yoy executing "sudo dpkg -i $DEB" like this exactly?
[00:43] <tomreyn> !info pandoc | p_d
[00:43] <p_d> yea
[00:44] <tomreyn> p_d: why not just use the ubuntu package?
[00:44] <sruli> p_d: read the paragraph under it.. "where $DEB is the path to the downloaded deb..." you have to provide the path to the file and same question as tomreyn^
[00:44] <p_d> tomreyn, sorry I didnt get you
[00:45] <p_d> ohh
[00:45] <sruli> p_d: did you tru "sudo apt install pandoc" ?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Try, and the operative is Try ' sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.8.0-32-generic linux-headers-4.8.0-32-generic linux-headers-4.8.0-32 '.
[00:45] <p_d> sruli, nope
[00:45] <sruli> that will install the package from ubuntu repositories
[00:46] <p_d> sruli, okay thanks
[00:46] <tomreyn> p_d: most of the time, unless oyu know the impact of doing this, do not download .deb packages from anywehre and just install them. instead, use apt repositories. either the official ones, or find a suitable PPA
[00:47] <tomreyn> !ppa | p_d
[00:47] <p_d> will it make any difference? and do dpkg commands are for debian? Sorry for naive question
[00:47] <p_d> okay thanks tomreyn
[00:48] <tomreyn> p_d: .deb packages can be for some specific debian release, or some specific release of a debian derivative, such as ubuntu. it is not easy to tell, and you can easily run into dependency conflicts by installing such packages if they're not specifically made for your ubuntu release.
[00:48] <sruli> p_d: "apt install..." automatically downloads and install the package from ubuntu repositories.. forget the dpkg and install instructions from pandoc page just exec "sudo apt install pandoc" after its installed you can refer to pandocs site for config and man pages
[00:48] <tomreyn> and even then, you have no upgrade path.
[00:48] <tomreyn> (i.e. you dont get security updates if you just instralled a .deb)
[00:49] <p_d> Okay thanks a ton guys
[00:50] <crunchbang> i meant its all asm in the end
[00:51] <apeplanet> hey why does everyone say that linux is like anal sex!
[00:53] <crunchbang> a/s/l
[00:54] <bazhang> !ot | crunchbang
[00:55] <snowcatman> Bashing-om gives that same error as before
[00:58] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Well, maybe we can give it what it wants. but somehow someway we have to get the yakkety kenel installed and the sytem cleaned up and upgraded . Gimme a bit to find the files we neeed for the 4.4.0.53 header .
[00:59] <IamKrilcov> anyone familiar with the ultimate boot cd? i canot download it on ubuntu
[00:59] <kk4ewt> how are you trying
[00:59] <IamKrilcov> sudo cron
[01:00] <kk4ewt> why would ultimate boot be downloadable with cron
[01:00] <kk4ewt> try a browser
[01:00] <mustard> try vpn
[01:03] <mustard> http://101.246.187.120/files/10860000027ACE76/mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/ubuntu-releases/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:03] <mustard> copy it try agin
[01:06] <tomreyn> IamKrilcov: maybe you meant 'curl', not 'cron'? what's the command you run and the output you get?
[01:06] <FishPencil> How can I find my IPv6 gateway?
[01:07] <crunchbang> ifconfig
[01:07] <tomreyn> FishPencil: if you have a static ipv6 configuration, your isp should be telling you. if it's dynamic, then you're told via dhcp.
[01:09] <tomreyn> FishPencil: 'ip link' or 'ifconfig' should work if you already have a correctly configured connection with ipv6 adressing / routing up.
[01:11] <FishPencil> tomreyn: ifconfig shows a inet6 address, but I cannot ping6 ipv6.google.com
[01:12] <tomreyn> FishPencil: does your provider support ipv6 then?
[01:13] <FishPencil> tomreyn: Yes
[01:13] <wedgie> FishPencil: does that inet6 address start with fe80?
[01:14] <tomreyn> if the ip address you see in the ifconfig output starts fe80 then it's just a local / loopback address
[01:14] <Bray90820> What kernel does the latest stable version of ubuntu run?
[01:14] <FishPencil> IT does
[01:15] <tomreyn> so unless you got a public ipv6 address assigned somewhere you won't be able to speak ipv6 to the internet.
[01:15] <Ben64> !info linux-image-generic | Bray90820
[01:17] <Bray90820> Thanks
[01:17] <FishPencil> Can I add a dhcp for inet6 in the interface file?
[01:18] <Ben64> if your isp provided ipv6, you'd probably already have it
[01:21] <yangm97> I set (under system preferences) to "do nothing" when the lid is closed. but if I reboot, the machine will sleep halfway through (and it doesn't look like it's listening to bonjour wakeup packets)
[01:22] <IamKrilcov> ls
[01:22] <IamKrilcov> ls
[01:24] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: So far I am spinning my wheels coming up with linux-headers-4.4.0-53-generic ; have yet to find that exact version .
[01:24] <snowcatman> Bashing-om thank you for your time. i am still at a loss
[01:31] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: I can find the needed linux-headers-generic 4.4.0.53.56 (amd64 binary) in ubuntu xenial file, but not the required dependency " linux-headers-4.4.0-53-generic " . still trying .
[01:31] <snowcatman> Bashing-om thank you
[01:32] <Sellerie> hello ppl, newb here... i want to boot winxp, wifislax and the new ubuntu release with a usb drive, nothing works, it never boots... tried a lot of options.. tried to boot from an usb hard drive, no luck either... any1 help?
[01:36] <myraft> tomreyn, how you doing ?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: How about a stab in the dark ' sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic ' See if that will pull im the yakkety files (??) .
[01:38] <myraft> Bashing-om, ended up reinstalling the OS. I have the data backed up. Now trying to put "merge" different partitions.
[01:38] <crunchbang> partd
[01:38] <snowcatman> Bashing-om gives that same error as before
[01:38] <crunchbang> diskpart
[01:39] <crunchbang> how would i take two touch screens , ok keyboard and the other a monitor
[01:39] <crunchbang> and play battleship on them
[01:40] <crunchbang> 17" in size
[01:41] <crunchbang> how would you make a custimisable boot load for for both 8 16 32 64 bit mode os
[01:41] <Ben64> i think you're in the wrong channel
[01:42] <crunchbang> how would you handle address location fo these channels
[01:42] <crunchbang> how do strize and resize addresses
[01:42] <crunchbang> how would you share processing power accross a network of laptops in different domains
[01:43] <crunchbang> Ben64 this is the right channel for that
[01:43] <Ben64> no, it isn't
[01:43] <Antares> Обнова! http://rexant.org.ru/Sektor_Gaza.torrent
[01:44] <crunchbang> what is that Antares ?
[01:44] <sruli> need some help with a weird issue, if i run "sudo find /dir/ -mtime -10 > /path/file" if there are no such files the resulting output file is empty as expected, however if i run that command in a bash script the resulting output fine contains "/dir/" why and do i need to change do get the empty output as expected?
[01:48] <crunchbang> how do read from memory on the fly
[01:48] <crunchbang> while booting from memory
[01:49] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Sorry, but I am at the end of my knowledge . I do not know now of a way out of this . I can not find the linux-headers-4.4.0-53-generic file .
[01:49] <crunchbang> yo why is the bit rate on this 320kbps
[01:49] <crunchbang> tis tis tis
[01:50] <crunchbang> respawning .............................
[01:51] <wedgie> sruli: does sound odd. You're sure the command is the same within the bash script? Also, consider asking in #bash if you don't get an answer here soon
[01:52] <crunchbang> more asm please (i need to see that on a shirt)
[01:52] <sruli> wedgie: copy and pasted the command, its crazy
[01:53] <sruli> wedgie: can you veryfy if you get the same on your system?
[01:53] <crunchbang> my phone crashed to other day and i was like why
[01:53] <crunchbang> too many aps not enought space
[01:54] <sruli> in 16.04 what would be the command to update the date/time from internet?
[01:54] <crunchbang> booting ubuntu from your phone
[01:54] <crunchbang> has anyone done that ?
[01:54] <crunchbang> don't update time from the internet
[01:54] <snowcatman> Bashing-om thank you for your time
[01:55] <crunchbang> time server are weird
[01:55] <wedgie> sruli: I get an empty file with and without a script
[01:55] <Ben64> sruli: it should do it automatically but something like "ntpdate time.nist.gov"
[01:55] <crunchbang> my macbook can't keep time for nothing
[01:55] <crunchbang> try using touch to create a file
[01:55] <crunchbang> then writing to it
[01:56] <sruli> ben64 ntpdate not currently installed.. is it not included with lice cd install?
[01:56] <Ben64> sruli: maybe not
[01:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: i'm doing fine, thanks.
[01:58] <sruli> Ben64: in 16.04 is the time not controlled with "timedatectl" ?
[01:58] <jujubee> Hey all...  I have a bunch of filenames I wish to rename.  They start with 3 digit numbers from 037-065...  I want to rename them 01-29  Any ideas how to write the rename command for this?
[01:58] <Bashing-om> snowcatman: Would like to see this resolved . Just for the experince next time . Just that I am stuck .
[01:59] <wedgie> jujubee: meaning  037somename becomes 37somename?
[01:59] <tomreyn> !info mmv | jujubee
[01:59] <jujubee> wedgie: 037 becomes 01
[02:00] <wedgie> jujubee: and there are fewer than 100 files?
[02:00] <jujubee> yes
[02:00] <jujubee> wedgie: yes
[02:01] <Sellerie> hello ppl, newb here... i want to boot winxp, wifislax and the new ubuntu release with a usb drive, nothing works, it never boots... tried a lot of options.. tried to boot from an usb hard drive, no luck either... any1 help?
[02:04] <Ben64> Sellerie: well to start off, windows xp is dead and you should not be using it at all
[02:04] <cfhowlett> exactomundo!
[02:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> back
[02:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sellerie, how did you make the usb ?
[02:06] <greiogio> The 0500 virus was fixed in kernels matching the operating systems of my choice and uncrackable including reinforcement of signature file ClamAV
[02:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> greiogio, uhmm clamav is mostly for scnning for WINdows viruses that won't infect Linux
[02:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> greiogio, well maybe partly if Wine or someting like that is installed and it's inthere, but otherwise nah
[02:08] <Sweetlew> s
[02:08] <greiogio> I like ubuntu, fedora, solus, and gave it to Debian actually.  It'll be the next official kernel.  grub2 Is also fixed for reinstalls.  All Isos rerolled now.
[02:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !virus
[02:09] <greiogio> 0500 is more evil than the netgear/linksys virus by 6509%
[02:09] <greiogio> A1200's is the key
[02:10] <cfhowlett> greiogio, please continue in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel.   this channel is dedicated to ubuntu support.  thank you.
[02:10] <greiogio> thank you.  I'm a kernel.org contributor and wanted to give a gift to ubuntu.
[02:11] <cfhowlett> greiogio, understood.  this is not the place or channel or such.  read the link
[02:11] <cfhowlett> !contribute | greiogio
[02:11] <greiogio> Reading now.
[02:11] <hggdh> greiogio: then you probably want to join #ubuntu-kernel
[02:11] <greiogio> It will take me 32 minutes
[02:11] <greiogio> Thanks hggbd
[02:13] <wedgie> jujubee: i=1; for file in *; do new="${file#[[:digit:]][[:digit:]][[:digit:]]}"; printf -v new '%02d%s' "$i" "$new"; ((i++)); echo mv -- "$file" "$new"; done
[02:13] <wedgie> jujubee: try that. If the output looks like what you want, remove the echo and run it again
[02:17] <jujubee> wedgie: awesome, thank you
[02:17] <jujubee> wedgie: works
[02:23] <sruli> wedgie: narrowed it down a little but gets worse, the script contains 3 comands 1 for mtime 1 for atime and 1 for ctime, the "fine ... mtime" command actually changes the ctime on the dir.. what even weirder is that i tired it on 2 different systems, on 1 it only has this effect from bash script on other also from command line, furthermore on 1 it changes the ctime of parent dir on other it changes on all subdirs
[02:25] <wedgie> sruli: dunno. Are they all ubuntu systems or are some of the other systems bsd or mac? (different versions of find may act slightly differently)
[02:25] <sruli> wedgie: ubuntu and ubuntu-gnome both 16.04
[02:25] <greiogio> I found a much better alternative.  Its #ubuntu-discuss.  They're so bad in there.
[02:25] <wedgie> sruli: no idea.
[02:26] <sruli> wedgie: but why should "find .. -mtime" change the ctime?
[02:30] <wedgie> sruli: if I'm reading the manpage correctly the atime would change when you access it, and that would change the status of the file for the purposes of ctime
[02:32] <sruli> wedgie: i am not accessing it...
[02:32] <robert45> hi guys, is it possible to upgrade from 14.04.5 to 16.04 from command line?
[02:32] <wedgie> sruli: if i was you i'd take the actual goal you're trying to achieve to #bash and ask how best to achieve it. Smarter folks than myself in there.
[02:32] <cfhowlett> robert45, yes.  first make sure you have your settings to LTS only then sudo apt update && sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:33] <sruli> wedgie: never get much responses there.. i posted it there when you suggested before.. still no response
[02:33] <James_> haha
[02:33] <robert45> cfhowlett thanks for the quick reply, how do I check my settings are set to LTS only?
[02:33] <James_> hahah
[02:34] <James_> oo
[02:34] <James_> kan bu dao
[02:34] <cfhowlett> robert45, from command line?
[02:34] <wedgie> sruli: your wording was a bit awkward and full typos which made it a bit hard to understand. Like i said, i'd phrase your question as "I'm trying to do X"
[02:34] <cfhowlett> !english | James_
[02:34] <sruli> wedgie: was thinking same, reposted "why when i exec "find /dir/ -mtime -2" does it update the ctime of /dir/ and all /sub/dirs"
[02:34] <robert45> cfhowlett tx, I ran cat /etc/issue and it shows Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l, is this what you were talking about?
[02:35] <cfhowlett> robert45, nope.  wait 1
[02:36] <arianecmlima> hi!
[02:38] <cfhowlett> robert45, while I am searching for the correct link ... you HAVE backed up your data, right?  RIGHT?
[02:38] <robert45> cfhowlett yes
[02:38] <Bashing-om> robert45: What returns ' grep Prompt= /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' ?
[02:39] <cfhowlett> robert45, do you have a gui?
[02:39] <nick123> sorry guys, got dc'ed
[02:41] <cfhowlett> Bashing-om, that command line won't execute with/without the '
[02:41] <robert45-> Bashing-om it returns Prompt=lts
[02:42] <Bashing-om> cfhowlett: (?) " sysop@x1604:~$ grep Prompt= /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades >> Prompt=lts " .
[02:42] <cfhowlett> robert45-, so sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:43] <cfhowlett> Bashing-om, thanks.  trying ...
[02:43] <robert45-> it stalls on "0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::19)] [Connecting to sec"
[02:44] <cfhowlett> Bashing-om, got it.
[02:44] <cfhowlett> robert45-, try a different mirror
[02:45] <Bashing-om> robert45-: Make sure your 14.04 is fully updated !
[02:45] <cfhowlett> robert45-, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:46] <robert45-> Bashing-om cfhowlett so I ran this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698008/
[02:46] <robert45-> should I go ahead and hit Y ?
[02:46] <whallz> how may i make nm-applet background transparent ?
[02:47] <cfhowlett> robert45-, yep
[02:47] <cfhowlett> then run line 83
[02:48] <robert45-> cfhowlett ugh, few errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698015/
[02:49] <cfhowlett> locked by another process ...
[02:49] <nirux> Hey guys. What's the Ubuntu Support Channel?
[02:49] <cfhowlett> !aptlock | robert45- I think ...
[02:49] <cfhowlett> !topic | nirux
[02:49] <cfhowlett> nirux, it's the channel for ubuntu support - more in the topic
[02:50] <nirux> I see. I read too quickly, my bad. So i am in the right place.
[02:52] <whallz> icons of nm-applet appear to be svg without a background, what could be defining nm-applet background color/opacity?
[02:53] <whallz> current icon pack is ubuntu-mono-dark
[02:53] <nirux> If anyone can help me. I tried to install wine and i can't find anything for it in the system. No apps, no selectable option in right click. Through terminal works fine. But i kind of want it to work like my arch and lm18 machine.
[02:53] <whallz> so /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-dark/nm*
[02:53] <whallz> are all svgs
[02:53] <cfhowlett> nirux, hit the dash and search for wine shows nothing?
[02:54] <robert45-> cfhowlett ubottu I found this, could be related? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698033/
[02:54] <nirux> cfhowlett Absolutely nothing.
[02:55] <nirux> Which is weird, I purged wine-stable because apparently wine has no installation candidate. and wine-development is installed (out of box) and works, still.
[02:56] <cfhowlett> robert45-, that would be my guess as well
[02:56] <robert45-> cfhowlett not sure what I did there, Im scared if I kill it I will blow the system away, what would you recommend?
[02:56] <cfhowlett> nirux, should be flying then - no idea what's what
[02:57] <cfhowlett> robert45-, it's configuring a package and hung on something.  a reboot would refresh you without executing and should not be fatal.
[02:57] <Bashing-om> robert45-: I would let it run to completion .
[02:57] <nirux> I see. Well I kind of need wine.
[02:57] <cfhowlett> *should*
[02:58] <robert45-> cfhowlett ok
[02:58] <robert45-> Bashing-om I think its halt or something it shows date from yesterday
[02:59] <nirux> I guess I'll wait until somebody else can figure this issue out. I like Ubuntu's Unity but i also kind of need wine.
[02:59] <whallz> nirux: may i ask why do you need wine?
[03:00] <whallz> nirux: have you tried running a VM ?
[03:00] <GALL0> trying to connect to my local Ubuntu box via ftp and get a connection error with my correct login info
[03:00] <nirux> I use wine to install a DAW called FL Studio for music production. I also use it to install The Windows version of Steam to run a game called Quake Live. (VM's won't run as nicely as natively. Not to mention the headache of drag and dropping files on it. Also KVM is kinda BIOS disabled on my machine).
[03:00] <Bashing-om> robert45-: Tough to say . There are a lot of packages in that line . I do not know how on would get a status of dpkg .
[03:00] <GALL0> also can't log in via samba/smb
[03:01] <SaintMoriarty> Hello, I have 8 public ip's from my provider. How can I send a curl specifying which external ip to use? I tried curl --interface x.x.x.x but its giving me curl: (45) bind failed with errno 49: Can't assign requested address
[03:03] <whallz> nirux: right... never used wine here, i always find VMs to be quite stable with what i need them to do
[03:03] <whallz> nirux: have you tried purging all of wine and reinstalling?
[03:05] <whallz> SaintMoriarty: have you triend #networking or something like that?
[03:05] <SaintMoriarty> whallz, just got there :)
[03:05] <whallz> SaintMoriarty: tried*
[03:06] <robert45-> Bashing-om cfhowlett I ran a strace -p 12265 and the process isnt doing anything, what do you guys say, should I kill it? :(
[03:08] <cfhowlett> robert45-, that would be my vote
[03:10] <Bashing-om> robert45-: Uh huh +1. if it is hung ned to kill it .
[03:33] <slayercoffee> http://www.renegadetribune.com/cultural-marxism-part-running-amok-campuses/
[03:34] <slayercoffee> Breitbart has an account of demands from SJWs (aka “marginalized students”) at the University of Arizona. Again, it’s important to understand the “victimization stance” being employed. Almost all criminals tend to start with the “Poor Me, I’m a Victim” meme as an excuse for their evil. Ownership of victimhood is a powerful franchise to be used to attack and suppress targeted groups.
[03:34] <cfhowlett> slayercoffee, off-topic in this channel.  go away now.
[03:34] <slayercoffee> Look at this though: http://www.nndb.com/people/085/000132686/
[03:34] <cfhowlett> !ops | slayercoffee
[03:35] <slayercoffee> cfhowlett, I'm a developer
[03:35] <cfhowlett> Then stay on topic.  ubuntu support.  your political views are completely offtopic here.
[03:35] <hggdh> slayercoffee: even so. Please do not go that route
[03:36] <cfhowlett> and a developer should know better than to do what you did.  read the guidelines.
[03:36] <cfhowlett> !guidelines
[03:36] <slayercoffee> Yeah, yeah. New topic.
[03:36] <slayercoffee> Just let it go.
[03:36] <cfhowlett> after you ...
[03:36] <hggdh> slayercoffee: you have been warned.
[03:37] <hggdh> cfhowlett: please let it go as well.
[03:37] <cfhowlett> gone
[03:37] <myraft_> tomreyn, question. Is it possible to shrink a single partition and create a new partition after the installation has been done?
[03:38] <tomreyn> myraft_: yes, and yes
[03:38] <sintre> also possible to move and merge
[03:38] <tomreyn> myraft_: but when you shrink a partition, the file system (or whatever layer on top of it) will need to be shrunk first / too
[03:39] <tomreyn> gparted can often automate this for oyu, or you could do it on the command line and know whether it worked (and understand the process better).
[03:39] <tomreyn> before doing such, you must ensure you have current + complete backups.
[03:40] <tomreyn> + working (provenly restorable)
[03:40] <myraft_> tomreyn, yest the backup is what it is. At this point - trying to create a partition to avoid this situation in the future.
[03:40] <myraft_> basically create data drive (so to speak).
[03:41] <tomreyn> myraft_: the backup is what is what?
[03:41] <tomreyn> and what is "this situation"?
[03:42] <myraft> tomrey, basically ended up installating 16.04 from scratch after erasing the hard-drive. Spent quite a bit of time and need to get started on a project
[03:43] <myraft> anychance you can walk me thru the process.
[03:43] <setyury> hi
[03:43] <tomreyn> myraft_ / myraft: the process of shrinking a single partition ubuntu installation, to make room for another partition, which will then be used for storing data?
[03:44] <myraft> tomreyn, correct
[03:44] <tomreyn> myraft: please show, on the running ubuntu installation: lsblk | pastebinit
[03:45] <myraft> tomreyn, : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698193/
[03:45] <tomreyn> do you have a live / installer usb stick or dvd ready?
[03:46] <myraft> yeah
[03:46] <tomreyn> okay, one mor to show: df -h | pastebinit
[03:47] <myraft> tomreyn, : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698196/
[03:47] <tomreyn> myraft: after that reboot into the live usb / dvd
[03:48] <myraft> doing so now
[03:48] <DeaDSouL> Hi, Which is the most recommended at least 12U rack ?
[03:48] <tomreyn> myraft: so you have a total of 150 GB storage, how much of it do you want to keep using for the ubuntu system, or how much do you want to seperate off it
[03:48] <myraft> will contact you from other machine when I get to the first screen
[03:48] <tomreyn> ok
[03:49] <Bashing-om> myraft: --16 Gigs for swap. are you hybernating the system ? Else that is a lot of wasted space .
[03:49] <tomreyn> DeaDSouL: this is not ##hardware
[03:49] <myraft> I would say 70 GB for data (and in the even _hit happens).
[03:49] <myraft> I am not hibernating the system (that was by the default reinstall process).
[03:50] <myraft> about to reboot workstation - switching to other machine.
[03:50] <DeaDSouL> tomreyn: I know, I just thought some of you may have some experience
[03:50] <tomreyn> hmm, doesn't the installer use lvm by default?
[03:50] <tomreyn> DeaDSouL: you could check that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:51] <myraft_> tomreyn, after struggling with this for 3 days - did not go the LVM option (probably should have now that I think about it).
[03:52] <tomreyn> myraft_: might have been easier now, but it'll work out either way. you'll need to tell me what took 3 days sometime.
[03:52] <myraft_> tomreyn, so booted to live USB and am at the "Try Ubuntu" "Install Ubuntu" screen
[03:52] <tomreyn> "try ubuntu"
[03:52] <tomreyn> then click on top left icon and enter: gparted
[03:53] <myraft_> tomreyn, there
[03:53] <tomreyn> myraft_: just to confirm, you have backup of the ubuntu system as it is now, or there is no important data stored on it, right?
[03:53] <myraft_> aye
[03:53] <myraft_> yes
[03:54] <root__> hey
[03:54] <tomreyn> myraft_: select, in the upper right corner, /dev/sda (may already be selected)
[03:54] <byte> hey everybody
[03:55] <tomreyn> myraft_: can you upload a screenshot of gparted then?
[03:55] <pembodohan> hi
[03:57] <myraft_> tomreyn, the machine froze - not sure what happended
[03:57] <tomreyn> :-/
[03:57] <myraft_> tomreyn, clicking on gparted (it is asking about whether I want to install Ubututu).
[03:58] <tomreyn> myraft_: how can you click when your systme is frozen?
[03:58] <myraft_> tomreyn, the mouse is moving but the app in the background froze. So did firefox
[03:58] <tomreyn> and gparted should not ask you whether you want to install ubuntu
[03:59] <tomreyn> hmm, do you know how much RAM you have there?
[03:59] <tomreyn> paritioning suggests 16 GB, but if you only have 1 GB or so maybe this is why its freezing
[04:00] <myraft_> on crap - it is not gparted - I clicked on install  ubuntu - (the icon is looked the same)
[04:00] <tomreyn> well i guess as long as the installation is not yet taking place that's fine, you can just cancel
[04:00] <cfhowlett> myraft_, gpartd is on the ubuntu USB but not installed to ubuntu systems for obvious(?) reason
[04:01] <tomreyn> cfhowlett: i understand that he booted form the live / install system
[04:01] <myraft_> yeap that is what I did
[04:01] <myraft_> and you can see where I got my wires crossed
[04:01] <cfhowlett> tomreyn, fair enough.  My attention is divided, so I leave him in your capable hands.
[04:01] <tomreyn> ;) i hoe so!
[04:02] <tomreyn> hoPe
[04:02] <cfhowlett>  !   oh, we talking Ho's now?
[04:02] <tomreyn> ho ho ho!
[04:02] <myraft_> alright - since this is clean / fresh machine, might as well do LVM
[04:02] <tomreyn> myraft_: so just exit / cancel the installer now if you can, and start gparted
[04:02] <myraft_> I am not sure where I have the gParted
[04:03] <myraft_> tomreyn, how do I start the gparted ?
[04:03] <tomreyn> first of all, tell me what's on your screen now, are there still frozen applications?
[04:03] <tomreyn> any prompts?
[04:03] <tomreyn> keep in mind i can't see it, you need to keep teling me what you see
[04:03] <myraft_> No - I have rebooted with installer USB
[04:04] <tomreyn> and now you see?
[04:04] <myraft_> i am currently in the "TRY UBUNTU" desktop
[04:04] <tomreyn> okay great
[04:04] <tomreyn> so top left icon should be some round something
[04:04] <tomreyn> click on that
[04:04] <myraft_> yeah got that
[04:04] <tomreyn> then you should get a text box / edit field
[04:05] <tomreyn> you can search there fro applications.
[04:05] <tomreyn> search for: gparted
[04:05] <myraft_> yeah i finally lauched gParted
[04:05] <myraft_> :)
[04:05] <tomreyn> wohoo! \o/
[04:05] <tomreyn> now, take a screenshot and upload it, please
[04:06] <tomreyn> myraft_: AFTER selecting /dev/sda on the top right corner of the gparted screen
[04:06] <fishcooker> on the date it shows match with localtime but the auth.log timezone still utc... it happen also on other services like sendmail log? how to adjust this timezone to all service
[04:07] <myraft_> tomreyn, : imgur.com/a/zKnxY
[04:07] <fishcooker> s without restart would be preferrable
[04:07] <myraft_> please note - doing this from another machine
[04:08] <tomreyn> myraft_: you're doing what from another machine?
[04:08] <myraft_> chatting with ou
[04:08] <tomreyn> myraft_: i.e. you mean you need to switch back and forth every time? ok.
[04:08] <myraft_> I think I see how you can drag the size and shrink it
[04:08] <myraft_> yeap - switch back and forth
[04:08] <tomreyn> myraft_: right, it's pretty self-explanatory
[04:09] <myraft_> tomreyn, doing it - will reach out to you
[04:09] <tomreyn> you can also right-click on the lines in the table below the graphical view, and set specific values there
[04:09] <myraft_> tomreyn, do you recommend changing the swap size. Plan to run heavy duty process like MongoDB (have 16 GB of memory), but old processor
[04:11] <tomreyn> myraft_: even then, you can safely reduce it to 8 GB
[04:11] <tomreyn> myraft_: the goal should be to configure applications and services to never allocate so much ram that the system has to swap
[04:11] <myraft_> good point
[04:13] <myraft_> tomreyn, tried to drag the /dev/sda2 - extended or dev/sda5 -linux swap. Did not let me do it. Right now it is running the shrink and resize
[04:13] <arteenlace> Hi everyone. Can anybody tell me how to disable X-server logging? I google it, but found there only 1 solution -- link log files to /dev/null
[04:13] <myraft_> will  need your help to reduce swap
[04:14] <tomreyn> myraft_: if you'll resize swap you'll need to resize the extended area, too. it's better to just delete both sda5 and sda2 for now
[04:14] <myraft_> tomreyn, really ?
[04:14] <tomreyn> myraft_: that's not an issue since swap doesn't contain relevant data after reboot, so it's saf3e to just delete it.
[04:15] <tomreyn> myraft_: we'll just create a new one afterwards
[04:15] <myraft_> okie dokie
[04:15] <Bashing-om> myraft_: To mess with the swap partition will need to "swap off" in GParted .
[04:16] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: can you explain more closely? i'm not familar with this part.
[04:17] <tomreyn> i mean i know the swapoff command, but i don't understand why you'd ened to do it in gparted while running form a live usb.
[04:17] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: The jey icoms beside the partitons as shown in GParted show as in use . and that use is generally as the system is using that swap . right click and " swap off " . best that I recall .
[04:18] <Bashing-om> key icons*
[04:18] <tomreyn> oh, i wasn't aware the live system would do that. ok
[04:19] <tomreyn> myraft_: so do you want to do this?
[04:20] <myraft_> yes
[04:20] <tomreyn> alright, give it a go
[04:20] <myraft_> tomreyn, the shrink and still running
[04:21] <tomreyn> myraft_: oh you started that already, ok, that's fine.
[04:22] <tacomaster> I have a intel centrino n 6300 that I get perfect speed but I get way better reception on windows 7. Is there a way to increase signal? I get all my of my bars of signal on windows but im 41/70 quality on ubuntu
[04:23] <Ben64> bars are not an accurate indicator of signal strength
[04:24] <myraft_> tomreyn, shrink and /dev/sda3 created
[04:24] <myraft_> tomreyn, still want to address teh swap
[04:25] <tomreyn> myraft_: what is sda2 now?
[04:25] <myraft_> tomreyn, /dev/sda2 - extended
[04:26] <myraft_> tomreyn, underneath of that (slightly tabbed) - /dev/sda5 - linux swap (15.87
[04:27] <myraft_> tomreyn, : imgur.com/a/zKnxY  (UPLOADED new image)
[04:27] <tacomaster> Ben64: but how do you go from full to almost half?
[04:28] <Ben64> tacomaster: because it's not an accurate indicator? come back with actual signal strength or something
[04:28] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay, i was thinking you wanted to resize swap?
[04:28] <myraft_> tomreyn, yes I did
[04:28] <myraft_> based on the logic yuo said
[04:29] <myraft_> based on the logic you said
[04:29] <tomreyn> myraft_: it's 15.87 Gib on both screenshots, before and after
[04:29] <myraft_> tomreyn, I have not done anything with it. Just did the shrink on /dev/sda1
[04:30] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay, you did create sda3, though
[04:30] <myraft_> tomreyn, yes
[04:31] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay. so if you like we can now delete sda5 and sda2
[04:31] <myraft_> sure
[04:31] <tomreyn> myraft_: ... to remove the swap. then re-create this with 8 GB size.
[04:31] <myraft_> but right clicking on that does not give me any option - can do another image upload
[04:31] <myraft_> yes
[04:31] <tomreyn> myraft_: so you are unable to delete those two partitoins?
[04:31] <myraft_> tomreyn, yes
[04:33] <myraft_> right clicking on sda2 or sda5 give me "manage flags" and 'information' only
[04:33] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay, can you open a terminal window? press ctrl-alt-t
[04:33] <myraft_> there
[04:33] <tomreyn> type: sudo swapoff -a
[04:33] <tomreyn> + press enter
[04:33] <tomreyn> any error reported?
[04:34] <myraft_> no errors - did it as root (sudo su -)
[04:34] <Bashing-om> myraft_: Maybe with the swap partition (sda5) selected, right click on the partition. O do expect a drop down ro be able to choose "swapp off" or some such .
[04:35] <phi0xz> hi guys, i'm having troubles installing any version of ubuntu server.  i'm trying with 16.04 or 16.10 (even tried 14.04). my issue is that i have a motherboard that has usb2 controllers and one usb3 controller. when i press enter to start the installer, usb2 host gets kicked out and usb3 ports only work.
[04:36] <myraft_> tomreyn, Bashing-om: yeah restarted gParted after swap off and now can right click
[04:36] <myraft_> the lock sign is gone
[04:36] <phi0xz> then i need to plug my keyboard into the usb3 port. this would be fine but i am trying to install ubuntu from a flash drive onto another flash drive. i require 3 usb 3 ports then to accomplish this.
[04:36] <tomreyn> geez, i've been trying to boot into the 16.04.1 live dvd iso in virtualbox for half an hour now. choices are garbled graphical output or kernel panic
[04:36] <myraft_> tomreyn,  should I just right drag and bring it to 8 (sda5) ?
[04:37] <tomreyn> myraft_: its good that the lock sign is gone :)
[04:37] <myraft_> or should I do it on sda2 ?
[04:37] <phi0xz> any ideas on how to get usb2 host ports to work?
[04:37] <phi0xz> prior to the installer, at the bootloader screen, the keyboard works fine in usb2 ports.
[04:37] <myraft_> tomreyn, nevermind can only resize sda5
[04:37] <myraft_> should I do it /
[04:37] <myraft_> ?
[04:38] <tomreyn> myraft_: delete sda5, then delete sda2
[04:38] <tomreyn> then delete sda3
[04:38] <myraft_> tomreyn, and sda3 ?
[04:39] <tomreyn> myraft_: wait, why does that have dat aon it?
[04:39] <myraft_> tomreyn, so done
[04:39] <tomreyn> hmm, well, you only created it some minutes ago, so i guess this must be irrelevant
[04:39] <myraft_> tomreyn, not following
[04:40] <myraft_> tomreyn, yeah sda3 was going to be my "data" drive - in the event _hit happens
[04:40] <Bashing-om> myraft_: Bear in mind that the new space gained from resizing swap can be appled to the new data partition size .
[04:40] <tomreyn> myraft_ http://i.imgur.com/fmsw8Zu.png there is some 'yellow' data on /sdev/sda3
[04:40] <tomreyn> or rather, was, now
[04:41] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay, so you only have /dev/sda1 now, right?
[04:41] <myraft_> tomreyn,  not sure what the data on sda3 is
[04:41] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay, its gone anyways, from what i understand
 myraft_: okay, so you only have /dev/sda1 now, right?
[04:42] <myraft_> tomreyn, yeah sda3, sda2 and sda5 delete - waiting to click on green check box to fire it off
[04:42] <myraft_> so fire ?
[04:42] <tomreyn> myraft_: alright, do it
[04:42] <tomreyn> myraft_: this shouldnt take long.
[04:43] <myraft_> tomreyn, : imgur.com/a/zKnxY (another image uploaded with current state)
[04:44] <greiogio> Hey :D
[04:44] <greiogio> I am curious.  If I download ubuntu 12.04 does it install on a Mac with updates on a old repository ?
[04:44] <myraft_> tomreyn,  so I havv 75.27 GB unallocated. Do I drag and create 8 GB linux swap ?
[04:44] <tomreyn> myraft_: very well. please create new partition now for extended area
[04:45] <myraft_> ok
[04:45] <tomreyn> it should take the entire remaining space
[04:45] <GALL0> trying to connect to my local Ubuntu box via samba and get a connection error with my correct login info. changed ssh port and can SFTP with new port number but can't seem to connect via finder
[04:45] <tomreyn> myraft_: please show another screenshot when thats done.
[04:46] <myraft_> tomreyn, question - you are saying with all of unallocated created new partition "create as - primary" file system - ext4  ( new screen uploaded)
[04:46] <myraft_> ?
[04:47] <tomreyn> myraft_: no, all of it should be extended, not primary
[04:47] <tomreyn> myraft_: oh wait i think it does this differently than i though
[04:48] <myraft_> tomreyn, so changed to EXTENDED and not primary
[04:48] <myraft_> tomreyn, standing by
[04:48] <tomreyn> myraft_: scratch what i said. instead, create a new extended partiton, size 8 GB
[04:48] <tomreyn> file system: swap
[04:49] <myraft_> tomreyn, so created 8 GB Primary / linux -swap
[04:49] <myraft_> fire ?
[04:49] <tomreyn> myraft_: no, extended, not primary
[04:50] <myraft_> tomreyn, if you do extended - you the "file system" drop down is disabled . So can't select swap
[04:50] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: myraft_ Nothing says we can not put that dada partition in the extended partition and save a "primary" allocation for future use .
[04:50] <tomreyn> myraft_: okay then do extended and assign the entire remaining space
[04:51] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: my plan is to put both swap and data partition in extended
[04:51] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: :) what I do had in mind .
[04:51] <tomreyn> just without a working VM i am having trouble testing how to set this properly in gparted
[04:52] <myraft_> tomreyn, Bashing-om - so create the whole remaining as "extended" ?
[04:52] <john78> Hello how can i open a md5 file on ubuntu?
[04:53] <wiggmpk> will removing (and purging) Empathy cause me headaches. Running 16.04.1 Gnome Shell 3.20.4
[04:54] <cfhowlett>     wiggmpk do this: apt-get --purge -s empathy      to simulate the operation
[04:54] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: A bit tedious but doable . // yes .. make the 'extended' large enough to contain both the 8 Gig swap amd whatever size the data partition is .
[04:55] <wiggmpk> cfhowlett: are "account-plugin-aim* account-plugin-irc* account-plugin-jabber* account-plugin-salut* account-plugin-yahoo* empathy* mcp-account-manager-goa* mcp-account-manager-uoa*" used by other applications other than Empathy?
[04:55] <wiggmpk> cfhowlett: I'm being paranoid, but I don't think they do just looking for someone to confirm
[04:55] <cfhowlett> wiggmpk, email app probably
[04:55] <tomreyn> myraft_: yes that's the plan
[04:56] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: myraft_ This is one of the rare times I prefer a GUI app over terminal . Pictures are nice here to work with :)
[04:56] <myraft_> tomreyn, please check image imgur.com/a/zKnxY
[04:56] <myraft_> just uploaded finished product :)
[04:56] <wiggmpk> cfhowlett: as in Evolution?
[04:56] <cfhowlett> that would be one
[04:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: looks good. now make "New Partition #1" happen
[04:57] <myraft_> tomreyn, what does that mean ?
[04:57] <wiggmpk> cfhowlett: I'm just so sick of Empathy lol
[04:58] <tomreyn> myraft_: apply changes
[04:58] <tomreyn> the status bar on bottom says: "1 operation pending" http://i.imgur.com/e4O25hv.png
[04:58] <myraft_> tomreyn,  yeah - awkward smile - mea culpa
[04:59] <myraft_> tomreyn,  done
[04:59] <Bashing-om> myraft_: tomreyn Doh !  I do not see that data partition in the latest screen shot .
[04:59] <tomreyn> myraft_: :) good, another screenshot for a happy tomreyn please
[04:59] <myraft_> tomreyn,  imgur.com/a/zKnxY
[05:00] <tomreyn> there, too it lies about "used" data.
[05:00] <tomreyn> looks good.
[05:01] <tomreyn> myraft_: reboot into the installed system
[05:01] <tomreyn> myraft_: there may be an erro rmessage about swap missing / failing during boot, you can ignore it.
[05:01] <myraft_> tomreyn,  copy that
[05:02] <tomreyn> myraft_: when it's up, do: blkid | pastebinit
[05:03] <myraft_> tomreyn,  restarting
[05:05] <myraft> tomreyn,  blkid showing nothing
[05:05] <myraft> tomreyn,  back on this machine (where I did all the do-hikki)
[05:05] <tomreyn> myraft_: when it's up, do: sudo blkid | pastebinit
[05:06] <myraft> tomreyn, forgot the sudo : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698404/
[05:06] <tomreyn> and so did i ;)
[05:07] <myraft> tomreyn,  only see 1 drive in nautilux
[05:07] <tomreyn> myraft: run: pastebinit /etc/fstab
[05:07] <tomreyn> we'll fix this
[05:07] <myraft> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698451/
[05:09] <tomreyn> myraft: run: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[05:10] <tomreyn> myraft: this spawns an editor. in the last line, replace UUID=041c514b-20de-4d6f-8519-58e37031d6e4 by UUID=7537c2bd-8881-42a4-87e2-ae7a0ed8a9a9
[05:10] <egsome> Hello, I have werid problem for couple days, which is my touchpad randomly get working or stop working, each time I boot Ubuntu I found the result, of being working or not, in random way, altough Windows 10 have it working always ( dual boot ).
[05:11] <egsome> Just to note, it have been working on Ubuntu for Months !! this issue mostly appeared after the latest kernel update, maybe ?
[05:11] <egsome> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04
[05:11] <egsome> Also, External USB mouse is working without issues.
[05:11] <myraft> tomreyn,  so done : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698492/
[05:12] <tomreyn> myraft: good, now add another line below:
[05:13] <tomreyn> UUID=8398b806-02fd-4010-a44d-9cd23da15d52 /               ext4    user 0       2
[05:14] <tomreyn> myraft: sorry, that's wrong
[05:14] <tomreyn> myraft: tell me where oyu want the data partition to show up?
[05:15] <tomreyn> maybe in /home/myraft/data ?
[05:15] <myraft> tomreyn, yeah more like /home/fm/data
[05:15] <tomreyn> UUID=8398b806-02fd-4010-a44d-9cd23da15d52 /home/fm/data   ext4    user 0       2
[05:15] <tomreyn> ^ this then
[05:16] <myraft> tomreyn, : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23698506/
[05:17] <tomreyn> myraft: press ctrl-x, then press enter to save the modified file
[05:18] <tomreyn> myraft: actually you need to type Y to confirm, not just press enter
[05:18] <myraft> did that
[05:18] <myraft> was using VI
[05:18] <tomreyn> an expert!
[05:19] <tomreyn> now (no sudo): mkdir /home/fm/data
[05:19] <myraft> tomreyn, learning from the best
[05:19] <Bashing-om> myraft: Now might be a good time to lable the paritions ?? I find lables very useful .
[05:19] <myraft> done
[05:19] <myraft> tomreyn,  guide me about the labelling the partitions
[05:20] <myraft> I got take notes on this .
[05:20] <tomreyn> uh i would need to look it up
[05:20] <myraft> data directory created in home directory
[05:21] <tomreyn> sudo tune2fs -L data /dev/sda6
[05:21] <tomreyn> ... should assign a file system label
[05:22] <Bashing-om> myraft: ' sudo tune2fs -L "some_name" /dev/sdaX ' where the X is the partition number  .
[05:22] <myraft> copy that - goes right into my cheat sheets
[05:22] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: how to make a persistent label for an existing swap partition?
[05:23] <tomreyn> (i don't want to loose th euuid)
[05:23] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: there is no file system on swap . do not know that one can change the swap name .
[05:24] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: mkswap has -L though
[05:24] <tomreyn> anyways, not important
[05:24] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: :) Now you are going where I have never been .
[05:24] <tomreyn> myraft: sudo swapon -a; sudo mount -a
[05:25] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: wohoo!
[05:26] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Just blaze the trail for those who follow you ,
[05:26]  * tomreyn to boldly go where no man has gone before, and no man ever wanted to go
[05:27] <tomreyn> myraft: any errors? popping up nautilus?
[05:27] <myraft> tomreyn,  see a new drive visible.
[05:27] <tomreyn> myraft: now can you create a file there?
[05:28] <tomreyn> probably not, we'll likely need to fix permissions
[05:29] <tomreyn> if so: sudo chown -R fm:fm /home/fm/data/
[05:29] <myraft> tomreyn,  u got it
[05:29] <myraft> had permission issue
[05:29] <love3> I love you all
[05:29] <tomreyn> myraft: can you create a file or directory there now that you ran the chown command?
[05:30] <myraft> yeap just did and it worked BEAUTIFULLY - thanks to you !
[05:30] <myraft> learned 2 new things
[05:30] <myraft> to do swapoff -a (when changing swap ) and this little nifty trick
[05:30] <myraft> nice
[05:31] <myraft> thanks folks - it is past midnite
[05:31] <tomreyn> right, it's 6:30 am
[05:31] <myraft> I think the machine is in good shape for me to restart work
[05:31] <myraft> yikes
[05:31] <myraft> tomreyn, where u at ?
[05:31] <tomreyn> :-)
[05:31] <tomreyn> berlin, tonight
[05:31] <myraft> nice
[05:31] <myraft> calling it a nite
[05:31] <tomreyn> i was told so
[05:32] <tomreyn> see you, have fun
[05:32] <myraft> BIG THANKS to tomreyn and Bashing-om
[05:32] <myraft> have a good one
[05:32] <myraft> sorry for german situation - really sad to see these things happen. be safe !
[05:32] <tomreyn> yes thanks for the proof reading mr/s bashing
[05:32] <myraft> signing out
[05:33] <Bashing-om> myraft: tomreyn :))
[05:37] <tomreyn> greiogio: 12.04 will loose support shortly, are you sure you want to install this old release? (why?)
[05:37] <tomreyn> GALL0: does finder support sftp then?
[05:38] <tomreyn> GALL0: and how does this related to samba?
[05:38] <GALL0> havent tried/looked
[05:38] <GALL0> made samba share
[05:38] <GALL0> finder doesnt see it
[05:38] <GALL0> changed sftp port was able to connect via sftp
[05:38] <GALL0> with ftp app, crossftp
[05:39] <GALL0> but cant see/mount volumes in macOS
[05:39] <GALL0> via finder
[05:39] <GALL0> with `smb://<ipaddress>`
[05:40] <tomreyn> i assume cyberduck maybe does on a mac.
[05:40] <tomreyn> ..does support sftp, that is
[05:41] <tomreyn> i'm not too fond of debugging samba
[05:41] <GALL0> is there another way besides samba to get mac to see directories/mount to Mac?
[05:41] <tomreyn> GALL0:  ... but as i suggested yesterday, try whether thinks work with smbclient on the server first of all
[05:43] <tomreyn> GALL0: maybe a mac can do NFS as well, but i guess it doesn't make that much of a difference in terms of the configuration / testing / debugging overhead
[05:43] <GALL0> ah.. wait
[05:43] <GALL0> filesystem is ZFS
[05:43] <GALL0> excpt the home directory which is ext4
[05:44] <tomreyn> i would think this doesn't matter, as long as file systemobject access permissions are granted
[05:44] <GALL0> smbclient -L //server -U<userName> | Connection to server failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)
[05:44] <tomreyn> (but then i never tried this configuration)
[05:45] <tomreyn> well you'll need to provide the servername (try "localhost") and username
[05:46] <GALL0> https://hastebin.com/qaweyemeva.sql
[05:47] <GALL0> interesting.. somehow server `BAD` survived from a frevious Os einstall
[05:48] <GALL0> anywho, want to connect to `gyo` and `mnt`
[05:48] <tomreyn> so it's server NASMONIDAS and share GYO or MNT
[05:49] <GALL0> server yes, want to connect to both `gyo` and `mnt`
[05:50] <GALL0> which both are on nasmondias, gyo is the home folder and mnt is of course `/mnt`
[05:52] <tomreyn> smbget smb://NASMOINIDAS/gyo/.profile
[05:52] <tomreyn> maybe add --verbose
[05:52] <tomreyn> and --stdout
[05:54] <GALL0> https://hastebin.com/ozopicayof.scala
[05:55] <tomreyn> GALL0: smbget --verbose --stdout smb://NASMOINIDAS/gyo/.profile
[05:56] <tomreyn> options should usually go in front. but i'm not sure whether that's the issue there.
[05:56] <GALL0> same result
[05:58] <tomreyn> GALL0: well then i don't know, you'd probably need to review logs now etc. i'll head to bed soon and don't feel like debugging samba shares today.
[05:58] <williamX64AMD> userlist
[05:58] <GALL0> any other ways to connect bsides samba?
[05:59] <GALL0> thansk
[06:00] <tomreyn> GALL0: well sftp, you had that already, and maybenfs
[06:00] <GALL0> thanks
[06:04] <tomreyn> gee, the "vga=791" linux boot option did the trick for virtualbox 5.0.30 + ubuntu 16.0.1 live dvd
[06:05] <tomreyn> without that i get either kernel panics or garbled graphical output on unity.
[06:06] <tomreyn> *16.04.1
[06:07] <Ben64> tomreyn: ok
[06:08] <tomreyn> Ben64: have you seen similar thern, or are you just hinting that i should stop babbling ;)
[06:09] <Ben64> tomreyn: it's not a question so i acknowledged what you said. i'll keep it in mind for anyone who has a similar error
[06:10] <tomreyn> thanks
[06:15] <williamX64AMD> Hi, I have a Brother MFC-J485DW and installed the print and scan drivers to both Ubuntu 16.10 and Fedora 25 (correct drivers for each). The printer works great in both OS, but nether OS recognizes the scanner. does anyone know what CLI commands or scripts might force the OS to recognize the scanner?
[06:16] <williamX64AMD> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Fedora release 25 (Twenty Five) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700HQ CPU @ 2.40GHz (2.54GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (5.7 GiB Free) Swap: 15.3 GiB Total (15.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 13.1 GB / 156.0 GB (142.9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core
[06:16] <williamX64AMD> Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 5h 53m 33s
[06:32]  * GALL0 facepalm
[06:32] <GALL0> tomreyn figured it out. i FORGOT to `sudo  smbpasswd -a <username>`
[06:35] <Colombo> hi
[06:37] <Colombo> I have updated to 16.04 from 15.10, but I have problem with VLC. It crashes after I open video. I can open VLC normally and it seems to behave OK, but when I open video, it crashes. However, I can open said video with cvlc, so I am a bit baffled what is wrong.
[06:47] <hateball> Colombo: could be some configs that conflict with the newer version, try moving away your VLC config and start fresh
[06:48] <Colombo> I deleted .config/vlc folder
[06:49] <hateball> Colombo: And still the same issue?
[06:49] <Colombo> jop
[06:50] <hateball> Colombo: Tried running vlc from the terminal and watch the output when you play a video?
[06:50] <hateball> Perhaps it will spit out useful info
[06:50] <Colombo> hateball: thats what I am doing all the time
[06:51] <Colombo> output is not really useful as standard output in terminal is exactly same for cvlc (where it works) and vlc (where it crashes)
[06:51] <Colombo> is it possible that there is some leftower config anywhere?
[06:51] <Colombo> I tried to update to VLC 3 but nothing
[06:52] <glitchd> whats up everybody
[06:53] <hateball> Colombo: tried attaching gdb to vlc? That should show why it dies in some form at least
[06:54] <Colombo> hateball: ok, I will try, I have not played with gdb yet...
[06:55] <sgo11> what is the proper way to install and use lxqt in ubuntu 16.10? thanks.
[06:56] <Colombo> hateball: 0x00007fffa5a60034 in llvm::cl::AddLiteralOption(llvm::cl::Option&, char const*) () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libLLVM-3.9.so.1 uh
[06:57] <hehe> ?
[06:57] <Colombo> I need to learn more about gdb, seems like awesome tool
[06:57] <hehe> aqdaq
[06:57] <hehe> dqd
[06:57] <hehe> dq
[06:57] <hehe> dq
[06:57] <hehe> dq
[06:57] <hehe> d
[06:58] <Colombo> hateball: seems I am getting some hits, thanks!
[06:58] <hateball> Colombo: happy googling, that's all I can offer :p
[07:01] <LinuxGuy> hello, how to upgrade to latest stable linux kernel in Ubuntu or its variants like Xubuntu, Lubuntu?
[07:04] <metaresolve> question from me too: can someone help me set up a valid user in psql on my ubuntu vps? I'm new to command line and it's frustrating. could use some help
[07:04] <metaresolve> or should i go to #postgresql for this
[07:10] <hateball> sgo11: iirc, "sudo apt install lxqt" is sufficient, and you should have a new LXQT session to pick from once you login again
[07:10] <hateball> LinuxGuy: for LTS there is HWE to get the latest Ubuntu supported kernel
[07:11] <hateball> outside of that, there is !mainline or compiling your own. Ubuntu is not rolling release, so you wont always have the latest software
[07:12] <LinuxGuy> is Ubuntu better than Debian? Debian is more stable, but, comes with slightly outdated packages and kernel, I think.
[07:13] <LinuxGuy> I am a beginner in Linux, btw.
[07:15] <kisb_> just enjoy it
[07:16] <hateball> LinuxGuy: this channel is for support for Ubuntu, distrowars are offtopic
[07:17] <LinuxGuy> ok. what are the advantages of Ubuntu over Debian?
[07:17] <Tatou> How much spaec do I realistically need for an ubuntu install?
[07:18] <Tatou> And how realistic is playing some games on linux these days? I just care about smaller indie ones really
[07:18] <Blue1> Tatou: ubuntu will install in less than 8 G
[07:18] <hateball> Tatou: Space all depends on how much data you are going to install, that's quite impossible to answer
[07:19] <Tatou> So I'm looking at a super mini PC. I want the OS to be on something faster than a HDD
[07:19] <Blue1> Tatou: I'd recommend a root partition (/) of 32G (which is more than you will ever use) and make the rest /home
[07:19] <LinuxGuy> which one is more beginner friendly and suitable for those less technically oriented? Ubuntu or Debian?
[07:19] <Tatou> I will put all the other data on an external HDD
[07:19] <Tatou> LinuxGuy: Ubuntu
[07:20] <hateball> Tatou: Gaming works fine, Steam and Itch.io have native clients with thousands of games, then you have GOG and Humble etc with DRM free versions
[07:20] <kisb> if you are going to install lots of software then 30GB
[07:20] <Tatou> Ah sweet, linux filter on steam..
[07:21] <Tatou> Ok so let's see what I can get hold of here. I just want something small, low power an quiet
[07:21] <Tatou> .. and cheap ..
[07:22] <OpenSorce> Tatou, I recommend World of Goo :-)
[07:23] <Tatou> Ha I think I own that
[07:23] <Tatou> I want the stanley parable though ;)
[07:29] <nuridulumam> hello
[07:33] <LinuxNovice> hello, can Xubuntu 16.10 be upgraded to the newer release once it's support period expires?
[07:33] <Tex> Has amd improved the open source driver for 16.04?
[07:34] <Tex> My card too old for the amdgpu driver
[07:34] <Tm_T> LinuxNovice: yes
[07:34] <curly_brace> what other alternatives to install if i got this error message? http://termbin.com/dtl7
[07:34] <LinuxNovice> Xubuntu 16.10 has the latest stable linux kernel, I suppose.
[07:35] <curly_brace> or how do i install python3-lxc on my system?
[07:35] <curly_brace> ah
[07:35] <curly_brace> so upgrading will be the answer with this
[07:39] <sobersabre> hi, guys.
[07:40] <sobersabre> Is there a tool that does not really backup, but rather helps to setup a user machine quickly from a script, something like at installation time customize the installation image or some kind of already existing auto-installer that I could configure
[07:40] <sobersabre> ?
[07:40] <sobersabre> without the infra like DHCP, PXE, etc.
[07:41] <sobersabre> preferrably it would be a git repo with scripts and config + iso of ubuntu version you want.
[07:41] <sobersabre> and you "cook" a special iso based on your config and just boot it up via usb key.
[07:42] <sobersabre> I mean without full blown backup level 0 dd'ed OS images
[07:52] <sobersabre> hm also is there a business grade laptop fully supported for say ubuntu ?
[07:52] <sobersabre> I mean stuff linke thinkpad t400* and up
[07:53] <sobersabre> or dell or whatever with "docking"/"port replicator" support
[07:58] <hateball> sobersabre: ##hardware is probably a good place to ask. But Dell offers some models with Ubuntu support. And in my experience, any "business" model from HP works fine ootb
[08:04] <Robbster> morning all. I'm trying to read backup DVD's using an external BR writer (on 16.04). Most of the DVD's (7/10) are not being read correctly. They were written with different writers over the years and I'm wondering if there isn't something that may be preventing them from being read correctly.
[08:05] <Robbster> DVD's don't last forever, but a 70% failure rate with the variety of disks that I'm reading just seems suspicious.
[08:20] <adtttz> hi, pls anxone can help me with ecryptfs-mount-private?
[08:21] <adtttz> i only got everytime Enter your login passphrase:
[08:21] <adtttz> Inserted auth tok with sig [****] into the user session keyring
[08:21] <adtttz> mount: Operation not permitted
[08:47] <stevie86> Good morning!
[08:49] <stevie86> something is off.... when I do sudo apt-get update it works, but I get the message: N: Datei »50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist« in Verzeichnis »/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/« wird ignoriert, da sie eine ungültige Dateinamen-Erweiterung hat.
[08:50] <stevie86> it says the file 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist in the folder /etc/apt/apt.conf.d will be ignored, because it has an invalid extension
[08:53] <ikevin> stevie86, move it outside apt.conf.d
[09:26] <Onepamopa> question - /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is set to /tmp/core.%e.%p.%t, * soft core 500000 & root hard core 1000000 in limits.conf, the application segfaults and no corefile is found anywhere
[09:26] <Onepamopa> ubuntu server 16.04 x64
[09:26] <Onepamopa> any ideas ?
[09:29] <fishcooker> how to give priority to some processes for using more bandwidth ?
[09:30] <bazhang> !info wondershaper
[09:31] <bazhang> perhaps that or 'trickle'
[09:37] <iksde> test
[09:39] <Onepamopa> anyone about the coredumps ?
[09:40] <ikonia> anyone what ?
[09:41] <Onepamopa> question - /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is set to /tmp/core.%e.%p.%t, * soft core 500000 & root hard core 1000000 in limits.conf, the application segfaults and no corefile is found anywhere
[09:41] <Onepamopa> also changed the soft and hard limits to unlimited, same result - no core files
[09:41] <Onepamopa> appport disabled
[09:42] <ikonia> are you asking why you're not getting a core file
[09:42] <Onepamopa> yes
[09:42] <ikonia> what is kernel.core_pattern currently showing
[09:43] <Onepamopa> kernel.core_pattern = /tmp/cores/core.%e.%p.%h.%t
[09:43] <Onepamopa> cores folder @ tmp is chmod 1777
[09:43] <ikonia> Onepamopa: where did you get that parameter from ?
[09:43] <Onepamopa> http://askubuntu.com/questions/732327/ubuntu-15-10-core-files-not-found-although-core-pattern-looks-ok
[09:44] <ikonia> Onepamopa: are you using ubuntu 15-10 ?
[09:44] <Onepamopa> 16.04
[09:44] <ikonia> then why are you reading docs for 15.10 ?
[09:44] <Onepamopa> well, show me something for 16.04 ...
[09:44] <ikonia> it mentions nothing on 16.04
[09:44] <Onepamopa> google mentions nothing as well
[09:44] <Onepamopa> which is why Im here
[09:45] <ikonia> right so have you changed the kernel pattern default ?
[09:45] <ikonia> for core
[09:45] <Onepamopa> and limits to unlimited
[09:45] <ikonia> no
[09:45] <ikonia> I'm asking you have you changed the default kernel pattern default
[09:45] <Onepamopa> you mean kernel.core_pattern ?
[09:45] <Onepamopa> I said I changed it
[09:45] <ikonia> yes
[09:45] <ikonia> ok - why did you change it
[09:46] <Onepamopa> cause I wanted coredumps ?
[09:46] <ikonia> you changed the file location because you wanted core dumps ?
[09:46] <Onepamopa> and I mean FILES
[09:46] <ikonia> what was wrong with the default location ?
[09:46] <Onepamopa> nothing's wrong with the default location, besides the fact that there are NO COREDUMPS ANYWHERE @ THE SYSTEM
[09:46] <ikonia> Onepamopa: ok - so why did you change the location ?
[09:47] <Onepamopa> you want me to change it back, sure
[09:47] <ikonia> no
[09:47] <fishcooker> noted for the wondershaper bazhang
[09:47] <Onepamopa> I won't get coredumps
[09:47] <Onepamopa> so
[09:47] <ikonia> I want you to answer the question
[09:47] <Onepamopa> ?
[09:47] <ikonia> why did you change the location
[09:47] <Onepamopa> perhaps because I want to actually find a coredump file in that location ?
[09:47] <bazhang> fishcooker, did you see the bit about 'trickle' as well
[09:47] <Onepamopa> instead of find / |grep blah core
[09:47] <bazhang> !info trickle
[09:47] <ikonia> Onepamopa: why did you change it from the default
[09:48] <ikonia> Onepamopa: you could have just looked in the default directory
[09:48] <Techknight> Hi guys. I just added a new user with useradd -m -s /bin/bash steam
[09:48] <Onepamopa> THERES NOTHING IN THE DEFAULT DIRECTORY
[09:48] <Onepamopa> THATS WHAT IM SAYING
[09:48] <ikonia> Onepamopa: I'm trying to understand what you have done and why so I can see how that has impacted your system
[09:48] <dumle29> Techknight: Playing with steamcmd?
[09:48] <ikonia> Onepamopa: there is nothing IN it, but you changed the location to somewhere else,
[09:48] <dumle29> have fun :P
[09:48] <Techknight> and granted it sudo access but the user does not have a password?
[09:48] <Onepamopa> sure, I'll remove the sysctl that changes the location, reboot
[09:48] <Onepamopa> see if there are core dumps anywhere
[09:48] <ikonia> Onepamopa: thats not what I'm saying
[09:48] <dumle29> Techknight: Use passwd user
[09:48] <dumle29> Techknight: Well, sudo passwd user
[09:48] <Onepamopa> ikonia, WHAT are you saying >
[09:48] <Onepamopa> ?
[09:48] <ikonia> Onepamopa: I'm afraid I can't help you as you refuse to answer the questions and jump to conflusions,
[09:49] <dumle29> Techknight: So in you case: sudo passwd steam
[09:49] <Techknight> and everytime i try to use sudo I'm promte password. dumle29 : I've tried that but i have to enter the current password?
[09:49] <Techknight> and yes it is stamcmd :D
[09:49] <dumle29> Techknight: not if you use sudo
[09:49] <fishcooker> yes i did, bazhang
[09:49] <bazhang> ok
[09:49] <dumle29> "sudo passwd steam" will ask you for your sudo password, then perform it as root, which needs no password :)
[09:50] <Techknight> dumle29: I'cant use sudo because it is promting me for a password
[09:50] <dumle29> Techknight: Your own sudo password :)
[09:50] <ikonia> Techknight: are you trying to reset your own password ?
[09:50] <Techknight> It doesn't work :D
[09:50] <ikonia> Techknight: or a different user
[09:50] <Onepamopa> ikonia, explain why does it matter if I changed the location or not
[09:50] <dumle29> Techknight: Steamcmd doesn't need sudo though
[09:50] <Onepamopa> whats the big deal here
[09:50] <Onepamopa> there's kernel tunable parameter, it allows tuning, I tuned
[09:51] <Techknight> dumle29: aaah :D i could do it through the root user, thanls.
[09:51] <Onepamopa> anything else ?
[09:51] <ikonia> Onepamopa: for starters any apparmor policies, however I was trying to understand what you had changed and "why" (as why often leads to information as to the real problem) so I could understand the state of your system
[09:51] <ikonia> Onepamopa: however as I said, I can't help you with your current attitude
[09:51] <fishcooker> thankyou bazhang
[09:51] <bazhang> welcome
[09:51] <dumle29> I'll re-regurgitate my issue ;)
[09:51] <dumle29> Hey there. Once again I make my way in here, to give this problem another shot ;) Every time I plug in my laptop to charge, the speed goes waaay down.
[09:51] <Onepamopa> ikonia, apparmor disabled
[09:51] <dumle29> sometimes it becomes so slow, that it can't even keep up with the slowest of typing.
[09:52] <dumle29> as soon as my laptop is fully charged again, it's fine. Then running on AC or on battery is the same performance
[09:52] <Onepamopa> appport disabled too
[09:52] <dumle29> it's not thermal, that's for sure, and it dissapears immediately when the charger is unplugged.
[09:52] <dumle29> Here's my hardware: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23699148/
[09:52] <bazhang> Onepamopa, no need to repeat so quickly
[09:52] <ikonia> Onepamopa: I'm not interested any more
[09:52] <Onepamopa> ikonia, so don't reply
[09:52] <Onepamopa> someone eles will
[09:53] <ikonia> Onepamopa: you hilighted me, talking to me, I was responding to you talking directly to me and advising you not to
[09:53] <bazhang> Onepamopa, try every ten or fifteen minutes
[09:54] <Onepamopa> why wait, I'll just run the app on freebsd, at least there coredumps always work
[09:55] <ikonia> sounds a good approach
[09:55] <Darkchaos> Hey, I am unable to build the kernel (4.8.0) myself because zfs/include/linux/vfs_compat.h is faulty (assignment of read-only member, static declaration follows non-static declaration). Is there anything known about that or is there an easy way to exclude zfs entirely?
[09:55] <Darkchaos> Since I had to hack around that zfs even starts to build
[09:56] <ikonia> Darkchaos: we don't support custom kernels
[09:56] <Onepamopa> ikonia, indeed, instead of having to reply to pointless circular questions
[09:56] <ikonia> Onepamopa: ok, get on with it then, bsd works for you, use it
[09:56] <Onepamopa> it does
[09:57] <ikonia> ok, great
[09:58] <Darkchaos> well it's a stock kernel with a changed configuration (lockdep). I don't know if that is custom enough, but might be
[09:58] <ikonia> it is a custom kernel
[09:59] <TestIrchatNICK> 44
[10:03] <Apra_> Hey there while running Ubuntu on my vb i got this error :http://imgur.com/a/G4aDf
[10:04] <ikonia> Apra_: you're installed a 3rd party repo that is referencing a package that is not available to you
[10:04] <dsdsgsdg> 444
[10:04] <dsdsgsdg> I  form china
[10:04] <backbox> Hello
[10:04] <backbox> I am from Burma
[10:04] <dsdsgsdg> - -
[10:05] <backbox> -_-
[10:05] <Apra_> ikonia: So what to do?
[10:05] <backbox> anybody there?
[10:05] <ikonia> Apra_: resolve the dependencies
[10:05] <ikonia> backbox: many people
[10:05] <m4221|phone> Has anyone the Amazon Storage Gateway?
[10:05] <backbox> I haven't
[10:05] <Apra_> ikonia: How to do?
[10:06] <ikonia> Apra_: my first point would be to remove your 3rd party repos
[10:06] <m4221|phone> I like how it caches locally
[10:06] <Apra_> ikonia: Can you help me do that?
[10:06] <ikonia> Apra_: then I'd look at what package is referencing that pacakge and what why it's not available, however I suspect removing the 3rd party repo will stop it referencing that package
[10:06] <m4221|phone> Reducing transit charges
[10:07] <ikonia> Apra_: what 3rd party packages/repos have you configured and how
[10:07] <ikonia> m4221|phone: not really anything to do with ubuntu
[10:07] <Apra_> ikonia: Nothing I guess
[10:07] <ikonia> Apra_: you guess ?
[10:07] <Apra_> ikonia: Yeah...just started Ubuntu and opened the terminal and typed the command
[10:08] <ikonia> Apra_: what version of ubuntu is this
[10:08] <dubing> How does Ubuntu 16.10 feel, compared to 16.04? I now use 16.04
[10:09] <ikonia> Apra_: mongodb is in the universe repo
[10:09] <ikonia> Apra_: so you need to look at your repo list and make use "univsere" is enabled
[10:09] <abbas> hey every body , i installed mpg123 and i when i want to run it say :  "error while loading shared libraries: libout123.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[10:09] <ikonia> abbas: how did you install it, as it's missing a library
[10:09] <Apra_> ikonia: How to do so...I am just a novice
[10:10] <ikonia> Apra_: I suggest you start by reading through https://help.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <abbas> ikonia:  i downloaded the sourc and run make , make install
[10:10] <ikonia> Apra_: that will give you an introduction to the basics
[10:10] <ikonia> abbas: then thats your problem then, as blindly typing make / make install is a bad idea
[10:10] <ikonia> abbas: ubuntu proides packages for most things that are built by experienced people, you should try to use them where possible
[10:11] <abbas> ikonia: actullay ther is file named libout123.so.0 in /usr/local/lib but it cant find the library i think
[10:11] <ikonia> abbas: if you built it correctly it should be aware of that path
[10:13] <berkiyo_> test
[10:16] <abbas> ikonia: i do what the INSTALL file sayed , so you say i installed it with apt-get , but  i what should i do , i dont know how remove the installed source code
[10:16] <ikonia> abbas: you won't be able to, you'll need to do it manually
[10:16] <ikonia> it's one of the reasons blindly typing "make install" is a bad idea
[10:16] <berkiyo_> exit
[10:19] <Apra_> ikonia: To check my repo do i need to enter /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:19] <mcphail> abbas: if you have installed a lib under /usr/local/lib, you need to run ldconfig for the system to learn about it
[10:20] <ikonia> Apra_: you need to open it with any text editor your confortable with
[10:21] <mcphail> abbas: but it is better to _not_ install foreign libs under system directories, keep them locally and LD_PRELOAD them with the binary which needs them. That stops other apps from breaking
[10:22] <Apra_> ikonia: So I need to go to Ubuntu Software to add the Universe repo?
[10:23] <xamidovic> hello yall :*
[10:25] <abbas> mcphail: thanks ldconfig workded ! but i dont understand what it do ? there is a envirment varible for libraries or some thing like that ? it give another error  : "/libout123.c:432] error: Found no driver out of [oss] working with device <default>"
[10:25] <ikonia> Apra_: no, what does the document I liked you to tell you to do
[10:26] <Apra_> ikonia: The command said "Permission denied"
[10:26] <ikonia> Apra_: what command
[10:27] <Apra_>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <ikonia> Apra_: thats not a command
[10:27] <ikonia> Apra_: as I told you
[10:27] <ikonia> Apra_: what document are you reading ?
[10:27] <Apra_> ikonia:http://askubuntu.com/questions/148932/how-can-i-get-a-list-of-all-repositories-and-ppas-from-the-command-line-into-an
[10:27] <ikonia> Apra_: thats not what I told you to read
[10:28] <ikonia> Apra_: therefore I'm not longer going to discuss this with you, I gave you a tried and trusted document to read, you've ignored it
[10:28] <Apra_> ikonia: sorry I just googled it
[10:28] <Apra_> No I m reading that too
[10:28] <ikonia> Apra_: and I gave you the document to read and you've ignored it, therefor you are on your own
[10:28] <ikonia> (from my point of view)
[10:28] <Apra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/addremove-sources.html
[10:28] <Apra_> I was reading this too
[10:29] <ikonia> Apra_: not interested as no-where in that document does it tell you to do what you where trying to do
[10:29] <Apra_> and thats why I asked you whether to open Ubuntu Software to install Universe
[10:30] <ikonia> good luck with it
[10:30] <Apra_> won't you help me?
[10:30] <ikonia> no
[10:30] <ikonia> as I've said 2 times
[10:30] <bazhang> Apra_, activate not install
[10:31] <bazhang> check software sources Apra_
[10:31] <Apra_> I was going through your document too
[10:31] <bazhang> there should be list for that repo there Apra_
[10:31] <Apra_> bazhang : where shall I get it?
[10:32] <Apra_> bazhang : software sources
[10:32] <bazhang> Apra_, get software sources? via the command line or the gui?
[10:33] <Apra_> bazhang: via the command line :)
[10:33] <cshire> Does anyone know about inherited file permissions here? I want files/folders moved into a shared folder to automatically change to a set owner/group with set permissions. I’m having trouble with files & folders keeping previous permissions when they are moved into the shared folder….
[10:34] <bazhang> Apra_, check in /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # from in front of that repo, you will need something like nano to do that
[10:34] <mcphail> abbas: that's an error coming from your binary itself. As you've self-built it (instead of using the official version in the repo), I'm afraid you're on your own for the debugging. Out-of-repo builds aren't supported here. Sorry
[10:34] <bazhang> once you have done that Apra_ you need to close and save it, then update the sources
[10:35] <linuxcrazy> finally after testing some distros, I installed Xubuntu on my laptop.
[10:36] <linuxcrazy> I installed Xubuntu 16.10. Till what time is it going to be supported?
[10:36] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: 9 months after it's release
[10:37] <linuxcrazy> ok. After that period, another release is going to be there?
[10:37] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: yes
[10:37] <abbas> mcphail: why afraid ? i want to use mpg123 with android ndk so i just downlod the source and i want to use it in pc before mobile but i dont know there is package for ubuntu
[10:37] <Apra_> bazhang: when I opened the file a dialog box appeared which  says Softwares and Updates...am I going in the right path?
[10:37] <linuxcrazy> ikonia, that's good.
[10:38] <mcphail> !info mpg123 | abbas
[10:38] <abbas> mcphail : actually i really thanks from gueys how work on packages , thank you dudes.
[10:38] <bazhang> Apra_, do you see some listings for the various repos there
[10:38] <linuxcrazy> is Ubuntu as stable as Debian?
[10:39] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: it's built from debian base
[10:39] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, sure
[10:39] <stevie86> Thanks for the tip!
[10:39] <linuxcrazy> ikonia, ok.
[10:39] <Apra_> bazhang: no
[10:40] <bazhang> Apra_, you just asked for the cli way and now the gui way, you have both covered
[10:40] <linuxcrazy> ikonia, it means the packages available for debian can be used in Ubuntu also?
[10:40] <linuxcrazy> I had an old laptop. I found Xfce suitable for it.
[10:40] <Apra_> bazhang: i didnt get you
[10:40] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: no
[10:40] <linuxcrazy> ikonia, why?
[10:41] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: because they are for different OS builds
[10:41] <bazhang> Apra_, I gave you the command line way
[10:41] <bazhang> Apra_, and now you asking again about the gui way of doing it
[10:41] <Apra_> ok...sorry my fault
[10:41] <bazhang> cli means command line Apra_
[10:42] <linuxcrazy> ok. Considering the number of packages available, which has more? debian or ubuntu?
[10:42] <bazhang> gui means the shiny clicky buttons one Apra_
[10:42] <Apra_> bazhang: actually i didnt get the check in sentence you wrote before the command
[10:42] <cyphix> Hello. I have a Toshiba laptop, and my backlight media keys doesn't work. Inside /sys/class/backlight, I have two folders. intel_backlight, and toshiba. The media keys modifies the files inside the toshiba folder, but the computer responds to modifications made inside the intel folder. How can I make my media keys use the proper files?
[10:43] <ikonia> linuxcrazy: roughly the same as ubuntu is built from debian
[10:45] <chitteti> Hi ubuntu family ..
[10:45] <Apra_> bazhang: what I did was I opened the files and then, went to etc folder and then carried on...
[10:45] <chitteti> I facing browser issue on ubuntu 16.04 s390x machine ,is there any solution to access the browser in ubuntu
[10:46] <Apra_> bazhang: and whats nanao btw
[10:48] <nomike> hi
[10:48] <nomike> Do you know if there is a support channel for ubuntu on Windows or where to file bugreports now? I´m confues if I should file them with Microsoft or Cannonical?
[10:49] <ducasse> !ubuwin | nomike
[10:51] <nomike> ducasse: Thx!
[10:52] <linuxcrazy> Can Xubuntu be used in schools?
[10:52] <linuxcrazy> is it suitable for kids and school children?
[10:54] <bazhang> !edubuntu
[10:54] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, ^
[10:54] <nomike> linuxcrazy, yes it is, ut as bazhang already pointed out there are more suitable alternatives.
[10:54] <linuxcrazy> great.
[10:55] <bazhang> welcome
[10:56] <linuxcrazy> to a great extent, the community support  available for this distro influenced my decision to choose this.
[10:57] <linuxcrazy> is it supported by only the employees of Canonical?
[10:57] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, no
[10:57] <mar77i> hello #ubuntu, I have a question about gs... I can't seem to make gs output something to ./test.pdf, I tried both -sOutputFie=./test.pdf and -o ./test.pdf ... as I'm root and the directory I'm in is writable, I'm a bit confused
[10:58] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, this is great topic for the -discuss and -offtopic channels
[10:58] <bazhang> !manual | linuxcrazy
[10:58] <linuxcrazy> I am a newbie here in Linux.
[10:58] <bazhang> !rute | linuxcrazy and this too
[10:59] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, have a read of all those, that will help a lot
[10:59] <mar77i> linuxcrazy: you're a newbie in linux and advanced crazy? or are you newbie about that, too?
[10:59] <bazhang> linuxcrazy, this channel is for strictly technical support
[10:59] <linuxcrazy> lol.
[10:59] <linuxcrazy> ok
[11:00] <linuxcrazy> thanks a lot for those links.
[11:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic for chat linuxcrazy
[11:00] <bazhang> welcome
[11:00] <linuxcrazy> need to register there, I think.
[11:06] <sgo11> hi, what is the proper way to install lxqt in ubuntu desktop 16.10?
[11:07] <bazhang> !info lxqt
[11:07] <bazhang> sudo apt install lxqt
[11:11] <sgo11> bazhang, thanks. I will try that command. I am building 16.10 bootable usb now. will that install compton, openbox? I don't think apt install lxqt will give a complete lxqt environment.
[11:12] <bazhang> sgo11, from the description, it's a metapackage
[11:12] <bazhang> sgo11, that means it pulls in a lot of other items
[11:13] <efli> hi
[11:13] <bazhang> sgo11, you could check at packages.ubuntu webiste, or do an apt dry run to see what it does bring in
[11:14] <bazhang> website
[11:14] <rayden> guys, cool it with the antisemitism. i've received a complaint.
[11:14] <sgo11> bazhang, I will try it. but I don't think it will install compton and openbox. anyway. I will try it later. thanks a lot.
[11:14] <bazhang> rayden, thats not topical here at all
[11:14] <rayden> bazhang, we have zero tolerance. just cool it.
[11:17] <efli> кто есть русский?
[11:17] <bazhang> !ru | efli
[11:20] <knittl> hi. how to find out why my dead keys are no longer work (also, compose is broken): ´e ^a `e
[11:23] <mar77i> I found my mistake, btw: -sDEVICE=pdfwrite
[11:24] <mar77i> without the flag, ghostscript doesn't even fart. or hoo!
[11:35] <anli> I installed a deb, but I have no idea where the files where going
[11:37] <pesari> anli: dpkg -L package
[11:39] <RtMF> pesari: dpkg-query -L perhaps?
[11:39] <anli> pesari: Thanks!
[11:58] <crazyhorse> hello
[11:58] <crazyhorse> how can i remote control my ubuntu machine from my mac
[11:58] <crazyhorse> same network
[11:59] <knittl> crazyhorse: ssh or vnc/rdp
[12:02] <MOUD> Hey all
[12:04] <MOUD> I'm running Software Updater and is stuck at "installing updates...". The update is "configuring grub-pc". Is it OK to force close Software Updater and start it again?
[12:19] <sharkshark> Hello, I'm running into issues executin youtube-dl commands (again...) Could any1 point me whats wrong? heres the command line, and i get nothing https://paste.ubuntu.com/23699310/
[12:21] <clarence> Hi All, I'm having trouble virtualising Fedora on an Ubuntu host. Does anyone have experience with this?
[12:22] <hateball> clarence: are you using KVM?
[12:22] <hateball> clarence: or if it's something like virtualbox there are probably hypervisor-specific channels that would be more suited
[12:22] <clarence> Hi hateball, I'm using virtualbox.
[12:26] <clarence> test
[12:27] <clarence> !
[12:28] <clarence> !
[12:28] <metaresolve> !
[12:28] <hateball> clarence: Right, so if you clarify your question on a single line, someone may know
[12:28] <hateball> !help
[12:28] <hateball> !details
[12:28] <sharkshark> !patience
[12:30] <j41> clarence: Maybe you could ask in #vbox if no-one is answering you here?
[12:32] <clarence> Oh, sorry was typing elsewhere and didn't realise I was actually typing in here - my apologies for that.
[12:32] <rommel> sharkshark, try with -v ?
[12:33] <rommel> and just in case you havent read this https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#readme
[12:35] <darshika> hey there
[12:36] <sharkshark> rommel: heres what it got with -v https://paste.ubuntu.com/23699947/. Yeah, thanks, i've been on that readme page for two days trying to figure out what am i doing wrong
[12:42] <jerome_> rench
[12:42] <jerome_> french
[12:42] <jerome_> hello
[12:43] <j41> !fr
[12:43] <rommel> ok i just emerged that program in gentoo and running your command sharkshark it dumps the same output, but i have to go to work... try another simpler download
[12:44] <Herbalist> de rien !
[12:45] <jerome_> ok thanks
[12:45] <sharkshark> rommel: well i just tried to execute the same command, but instead of the playlist i put just a single video url. It gives me the title of the video, nothing else.
[12:52] <j41>  /join #ubuntu-server
[12:52] <j41> wut
[13:13] <pixel> hello!
[13:13] <pixel> how are you??
[13:21] <kelvinella> Does anyone know how I can check whether the laptop I am going to buy is working with linux?
[13:21] <kelvinella> I am thinking to get ASUS zenbook 3 UX390UA
[13:22] <madwizard> kelvinella: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[13:22] <madwizard> kelvinella: Laptops not on the list may work, but those on the list are known to work
[13:23] <madwizard> If there are caveates, they are listed
[13:23] <kelvinella> What about Manjaro Linux?
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> kelvinella  not supported here, no info
[13:26] <stanstill> if I use an ubuntu live usb for 3 weeks, can libreoffice or my firefox configuration be saved, or are those changes lost every time I boot?
[13:27] <j41> !liveusb
[13:27] <j41> Hopefully the last link helps!
[13:27] <linux_newbie> Hey all!
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> stanstill  a live isnt meant to be used 3 weeks, i guess the system would slow down
[13:28] <linux_newbie> How do I check my wifi interface?
[13:28] <stanstill> erm.. is what I am planning to do a "persistent live usb"?
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> stanstill  that said, everything is lost from the live session, unless you save it somewhere outside the session
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> !persistent
[13:29] <linux_newbie> guys how do I upload a screenshot?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> oops, j41 just said that
[13:29] <linux_newbie> on here
[13:29] <j41> :P
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  to imgur.com
[13:30] <kk4ewt> stanstill, and remember if you fill up the perstistance you will have to redo the key
[13:30] <stanstill> is this going to be more difficult if the only available notebook is a windows?
[13:30] <stanstill> im reading now the "persistent" link
[13:31] <j41> stanstill: I'm pretty sure you can use unetbootin, and it's covered in the guide if you scroll down a bit
[13:31] <kk4ewt> j41 not for perstistance
[13:32] <j41> ah, sorry
[13:32] <linux_newbie> http://imgur.com/Bxjtsgz
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  what brings you here
[13:33] <linux_newbie> I'm using Kismet and I'm not sure how to fill up the pop-ups
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> !info kismet
[13:34] <stanstill> another option would be to use 2 usb sticks: one with the live os and the other with portable apps, and run all my apps from there...
[13:34] <linux_newbie> I basically need to know what's my wifi interface
[13:34] <stanstill> I think im not wrong...
[13:35] <linux_newbie> MonkeyDust:  do you know how to find your wifi interface? (eg. wlan1 )
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  in a terminal, type    iwconfig
[13:35] <linux_newbie> okay...
[13:36] <linux_newbie> I see wlp2s0 - is that it?
[13:37] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  802.11 is wifi
[13:37] <linux_newbie> what do you mean MonkeyDust?
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  i mean that the line with 802.11 is wifi
[13:38] <linux_newbie> Oh, okay
[13:38] <linux_newbie> It says this: wlp2s0    IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"xyz"
[13:39] <linux_newbie> xyz is the name of my connection
[13:39] <j41> That's your wireless adapter then
[13:39] <linux_newbie> so what should I fill up in the column for INTF?
[13:40] <linux_newbie> I was watching a youtube tutorial and the guy said his was wlan1
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> what's INTF
[13:40] <linux_newbie> http://imgur.com/Bxjtsgz
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  what is that, on the pic?
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> oh, kisletn i don't use that
[13:41] <mcphail> linux_newbie: the Ubuntu interface names got a bit more complex than wlan1 a couple of releases ago. Welcome to the future
[13:41] <linux_newbie> mcphail:  okay, so how do I find out what mine is?
[13:41] <j41> linux_newbie: It is wlp2s0 if that's what it said
[13:41] <j41> when you ran iwconfig
[13:42] <mcphail> linux_newbie: you just did it
[13:42] <linux_newbie> Awesome!
[13:42] <linux_newbie> Thanks guys! :)
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  now type    iwlist    (don't show it here)
[13:42] <linux_newbie> okay
[13:42] <linux_newbie> and then?
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  it's a help to configure wifi, explore it
[13:43] <j41> MonkeyDust: Why? They've got the adapter name already?
[13:44] <linux_newbie> Out of curiosity, what's a good bit rate? Mine is 48 Mb/s -- is that good?
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> iirc, wifi can go up to 54
[13:46] <linux_newbie> that's a the threshold?
[13:46] <j41> My Raspberry Pi has a bit rate of 72.2Mb/s...
[13:46] <linux_newbie> damn
[13:47] <linux_newbie> what does bit rate really mean? Wi-fi speed?
[13:47] <j41> I'm pretty sure it's the connection speed to your router
[13:47] <mcphail> linux_newbie: bit rate means "something to ignore unless you are having problems"
[13:50] <mcphail> linux_newbie: also, note "man iwlist" says the bitrate parameter lists the bit rate supported by the device. I'm not sure it relates to the bit rate you're getting
[13:52] <linux_newbie> I was looking for an alternative to Wi-Fi Analyzer, and I stumbled upon Kismet. Does anyone have any experience with it?
[13:53] <Herbalist> no .. i found it too complex for my needs
[13:54] <federico> ciao
[13:54] <linux_newbie> Herbalist what were your needs at the time? (not an attempt at humor)
[13:54] <Herbalist> i did install Umit Network Scanner and EtherApe and Ettercap, at that time
[13:54] <akis> hi all. could you please advise if lubuntu 14.04.5 is fully supported until into 2019 as for example xubuntu 14.04.5?
[13:55] <linux_newbie> Herbalist what was it for?
[13:55] <Herbalist> i dunno if that would be of use to you
[13:55] <Herbalist> network scanner
[13:55] <linux_newbie> ooh okay, yeah I kinda want that!
[13:55] <Herbalist> try it out :)
[13:55] <linux_newbie> which one did you find most useluf?
[13:56] <linux_newbie> useful*
[13:56] <Herbalist> i think it's in the Ubuntu Software Center
[13:56] <Herbalist> ehm i don't remember, i didnt use it that much
[13:56] <Herbalist> some have different functionalities for this and that, just check it out
[13:57] <linux_newbie> I'm a little curious, what exactly were you looking to do with it?
[13:57] <Herbalist> to watch my wifi connection
[13:57] <Herbalist> it kept changing access points and disconnecting
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> !info wicd
[13:58] <linux_newbie> I'm basically looking for something (like wifi analyzer) to know what channel my router should broadcast its wifi signal
[13:58] <linux_newbie> ^this is mainly to improve my wifi speed
[13:59] <Herbalist> i recommend to install these programs via the Software Center, then you can easily uninstall them later
[13:59] <linux_newbie> check this out guys
[13:59] <linux_newbie> https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/4jcp2o/lpt_download_wifi_analyzer_to_determine_what/
[13:59] <BluesKaj> linux_newbie, you can set the channel in your router's host page/firmware
[14:00] <j41> Lots of routers also have an automatic mode, which does the work for you.
[14:00] <linux_newbie> hmm, how do I check my channels?
[14:00] <federico_>  irc://irc.explosionirc.org/extremo
[14:00] <linux_newbie> like is there a terminal command
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  with    iwlist channel
[14:02] <linux_newbie> ohhhhhh
[14:02] <linux_newbie> I'm connected to the one with the lowest frequency :/
[14:02] <linux_newbie> any way I can get around that?
[14:03] <j41> linux_newbie: If you want to change the channel your router uses, you would have to change it in your router's settings
[14:03] <linux_newbie> so I see a list of all these channels on my terminals -- are these channels part of *my* router?
[14:04] <linux_newbie> terminal*
[14:04] <j41> No
[14:04] <j41> Those are the channels that wifi uses
[14:04] <j41> Your router is broadcasting on one of them
[14:05] <linux_newbie> j4i I don't  quite understand :/
[14:05] <linux_newbie> j41
[14:06] <federico_> irc://irc.openjoke.org/100TB
[14:06] <linux_newbie> Okay I kinda get what you're saying, but is it possible for me to change the channel on which my router is broadcasting?
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> federico_  this is ubuntu support
[14:07] <j41> Do you know if other routers also broadcast on the channel you are using?
[14:07] <j41> linux_newbie: ^
[14:07] <Tatou> I really want a cheap pc to run linux, but I can't justify it I think
[14:07] <linux_newbie> hmm, I don't think so? I mean I've got my connection password protected and all
[14:08] <j41> linux_newbie: When you go to connect to your wifi, are there any other routers that aren't yours?
[14:09] <linux_newbie> define router -- you mean the connections that show up on clicking the wifi symbol?
[14:09] <j41> Yes!
[14:09] <linux_newbie> yeah
[14:09] <j41> Okay
[14:09] <linux_newbie> I see lots of other connection (routers)
[14:09] <j41> Okay then
[14:10] <j41> linux_newbie:  Run this command in a terminal: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep \(Channel
[14:11] <linux_newbie> Alright
[14:11] <j41> If you see a channel that isn't there (channels range from 1 to 13), or one that appears the least, is probably the best channel to set your router to
[14:11] <linux_newbie> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.
[14:11] <linux_newbie> this came up: wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning
[14:11] <j41> oh sorry
[14:12] <j41> sudo iwlist wlp2s0 scan | grep \(Channel
[14:12] <j41> instead
[14:12] <linux_newbie> yep, I see 8 frequencies
[14:12] <magnus_> test
[14:12] <j41> Okay, you should set your router to a channel that doesn't appear there
[14:13] <linux_newbie> why not?
[14:14] <j41> I'm not sure what you mean
[14:15] <linux_newbie> you said I should set my router to a channel that *doesn't* appear in the list. Why can't I do that?
[14:15] <j41> You need to do it through your router's settings
[14:15] <linux_newbie> shiite :/
[14:15] <j41> You can't do this locally on your machine
[14:16] <linux_newbie> oh, crap
[14:16] <j41> You could try going to http://192.168.1.1 or http://192.168.0.1 and using the user admin and password admin
[14:16] <Pici> linux_newbie: Are you on your own home network?
[14:16] <j41> That might let you into your settings, if not, search something like 'MyRouterBrand login details'
[14:17] <linux_newbie> Pici yup
[14:17] <Pici> okay :)
[14:18] <linux_newbie> I'm on the website and I see this thing called "All Router IP's"
[14:19] <linux_newbie> it's basically a list of all IP addresses - what can I do with it?
[14:19] <radishingrick> hi - i have a query. Can I install windows after installing fully encrypted ubuntu and dual boot?
[14:19] <linux_newbie> j41
[14:19] <radishingrick> windows 8*
[14:19] <j41> You're looking for your routers ip address and username/password. You can also find it on the bottom or back of your router. By navigating to the ip, and logging in, this lets you change your router's settings.
[14:19] <j41> linux_newbie: ^
[14:20] <shangul> for a computer with an Intel Core i2 2.33GHz * 2 with 2GB of memory which one is better/ Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Ubuntu?
[14:20] <shangul> hi
[14:20] <linux_newbie> okay so when I do that, will all *other" machines also be affected, or just mine?
[14:21] <linux_newbie> I'm guessing all machines
[14:21] <j41> Yes
[14:21] <rajiv_> hi
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> shangul  windows will ruin your grub, it can be repaired, but it's a pain
[14:22] <shangul> MonkeyDust, i know
[14:22] <j41> linux_newbie: But by running on a less congested channel, you might get faster wifi speeds, but it's not guaranteed.
[14:23] <linux_newbie> 5.28 Ghz vs 2.2 Ghz -- worth the effort?
[14:24] <gg_LinuxNoob> i have a query, just asking opinions, but what do you all think is the best font in Ubuntu
[14:24] <j41> linux_newbie: Maybe your questions are better suited in ##networking ?
[14:25] <linux_newbie> Okay, thanks a lot j41!
[14:25] <ilmaisin> hmm
[14:25] <j41> No problem, linux_newbie
[14:26] <ilmaisin> finnish seems to be grayed out in "Language Support" even when it's installed
[14:26] <ilmaisin> wonder why language setting related bugs are so often ignored since they are sensitive things
[14:26] <gg_LinuxNoob> linux one is dead, right?
[14:27] <gg_LinuxNoob> sorry, Ubuntu One is dead
[14:28] <Pici> gg_LinuxNoob: Their cloud storage thing is dead, the single sign-on part lives on.
[14:28] <gg_LinuxNoob> what is the purpose of the sign-on part?
[14:28] <j41> gg_LinuxNoob: So you can sign into websites that use Ubuntu One with only one username/password
[14:28] <Herbalist> Ubuntu is Alive and Kicking !
[14:28] <Pici> gg_LinuxNoob: its an openid provider and ties you to canonical's services.
[14:29] <gg_LinuxNoob> ah, i see
[14:29] <j41> gg_LinuxNoob: A bit like 'Sign in with Facebook'
[14:29] <gg_LinuxNoob> do you find it useful?
[14:29] <Pici> I only really use it to sign on to launchpad and the wiki.. its just a login to me.
[14:29] <gg_LinuxNoob> i see. I really don't think I need to remember another login credential
[14:30] <linux_newbie> is linux an OS? Or is it Ubuntu?
[14:30] <gg_LinuxNoob> I wanna tell someone, but there's no one that will listen, so you all are the victims: I find this ability to rebirth old computers with a new OS fascinating
[14:31] <gg_LinuxNoob> Ubuntu has been very interesting so far
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  ubuntu is a distro (distribution), llinux is the kernel
[14:31] <gg_LinuxNoob> I tried a Debian distro and just couldn't get it to work
[14:31] <gg_LinuxNoob> Mint, I think
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> linux_newbie  in a terminal, type    uname -r
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[14:32] <gg_LinuxNoob> eh?
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  in a terminal window
[14:33] <Herbalist> i started with Ubuntu 1 year ago ... i wish i had started 10 years earlier
[14:33] <Herbalist> all those lost data
[14:33] <fishcooker> how to tweak based on this iostat output http://vpaste.net/3TL0F it looks like the iowait take so long for the file operation
[14:33] <Herbalist> from Windows
[14:33] <gg_LinuxNoob> you are right Herbalist
[14:33] <Herbalist> gg :)
[14:34] <Herbalist> Ubuntu rocks
[14:34] <gg_LinuxNoob> ubunto 16.04
[14:34] <Herbalist> yes i have the same version
[14:34] <gg_LinuxNoob> i was a little disquieted by the "Linux sucks" video on youtube.
[14:34] <gg_LinuxNoob> what is LTS?
[14:34] <Pici> !lts
[14:34] <stanstill> where do I find a firefox channel?
[14:35] <Herbalist> stanstill.. type /list
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> stanstill  type   /msg alis list firefox
[14:35] <stanstill> that is huge, thanks
[14:35] <gg_LinuxNoob> Windows 10 spying has me in a bind
[14:35] <Herbalist> :)
[14:36] <Herbalist> gg_LinuxNoob.. Windows 10 was considered as malware by some virus programs
[14:36] <gg_LinuxNoob> ah, does anyone know any good linux/ubuntu training ?
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> !manual | gg_LinuxNoob start here
[14:36] <gg_LinuxNoob> yes, i believe it. Malware bytes has an app to block some windows 10 spying
[14:37] <Herbalist> gg_LinuxNoob.. you can find many answers here : https://askubuntu.com
[14:38] <gg_LinuxNoob> so far I'm finding many answers online. so far, I'm successful
[14:38] <Herbalist> yes .. me too!
[14:38] <gg_LinuxNoob> but I had to completely erase windows and install ubuntu as the lone OS
[14:38] <Herbalist> all answers are online
[14:38] <gg_LinuxNoob> to make it really work
[14:38] <gg_LinuxNoob> dual boot caused issues
[14:39] <Herbalist> hmm .. i have a parallel install
[14:39] <gg_LinuxNoob> is anyone successful with installing ubuntu on old macbooks?
[14:39] <Herbalist> but i never use windows anymore
[14:39] <profetik> So I finally got wireless to work. But still bummed it isn't as easy as downloading a driver and installing it like windows. I tried downloading a .deb Broadcom driver but it still asked for internet connecting to install (prob dependencies).
[14:43] <hateball> profetik: looking at packages.ubuntu.com should show the dependencies
[14:43] <gg_LinuxNoob> is there a control panel in ubuntu? I want to check sound card drivers
[14:43] <hateball> !sound
[14:44] <gg_LinuxNoob> how do you check hardware in ubuntu mr robot?
[14:44] <gg_LinuxNoob> audio hardware
[14:45] <fishcooker> mr robot using kali linux not ubuntu gg_LinuxNoob
[14:45] <gg_LinuxNoob> hah! You got me fishcooker
[14:46] <hateball> gg_LinuxNoob: Is something not working?
[14:46] <gg_LinuxNoob> i didn't see that coming
[14:46] <pascal_> hey
[14:46] <hateball> Don't fix it if it isnt broken
[14:46] <gg_LinuxNoob> it's working, but the sound is tinny
[14:46] <gg_LinuxNoob> ok,
[14:46] <gg_LinuxNoob> good point
[14:46] <fishcooker> anyone will take a look on my iostat output
[14:46] <gg_LinuxNoob> i tend to fiddle around with things until they break
[14:47] <hateball> gg_LinuxNoob: There's probably some GUI app to show devices, but if you just run "lspci -k" and !paste the resulting link here we can help you easier
[14:47] <hateball> gg_LinuxNoob: That will list your devices, and what driver currently in use
[14:47] <hateball> !paste | gg_LinuxNoob
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> !info lshw-gtk | gg_LinuxNoob
[14:49] <gg_LinuxNoob> well, it says audio device is intel corporation subsystem samsung (computer manu)
[14:50] <gg_LinuxNoob> i guess I should just leave it alone
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  in a terminal, type this, then click the icon on the desktop     lshw -html > ~/Desktop/hardware.html
[14:55] <gg_LinuxNoob> that's a pretty handy terminal command
[14:56] <gg_LinuxNoob> configuration:	
[14:56] <gg_LinuxNoob> driver	=	snd_hda_intel
[14:56] <gg_LinuxNoob> latency	=	0
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  yes, you should get used to using terminal commands
[14:56] <gg_LinuxNoob> i use them when I find them online
[14:56] <gg_LinuxNoob> i like sudo commands
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> sudo is used for changes outside /home
[14:57] <Tatou> sudo is just "super user do"
[14:57] <gg_LinuxNoob> thats what i meant when I asked about linux training
[14:57] <gg_LinuxNoob> because I can't remember all the terminal commands
[14:57] <Tatou> It's like when windows pops up asking you to confirm some change that needs admin
[14:57] <gg_LinuxNoob> guess i need to write them down
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  so do wel all
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> we*
[14:58] <Tatou> You're thinking of it wrong gg_LinuxNoob
[14:58] <gg_LinuxNoob> what am i thinking wrong
[14:58] <Tatou> It's not about memorising commands. It's about knowing where to look
[14:58] <hateball> gg_LinuxNoob: well for starters you shouldnt just run "sudo commands you find online"
[14:58] <gg_LinuxNoob> ohhhhhh
[14:58] <gg_LinuxNoob> uh oh
[14:58] <Tatou> It's about having a rough idea of the flags, etc..
[14:58] <gg_LinuxNoob> the commands remind me a lot of old DOS commands
[14:58] <Tatou> No.. Not at all
[14:59] <Tatou> Wait, do you ACTUALLY mean DOS?
[14:59] <gg_LinuxNoob> yes
[14:59] <Tatou> Or do you mean the command prompt in windows?
[14:59] <gg_LinuxNoob> DOS
[14:59] <gg_LinuxNoob> noooooo, DOS
[14:59] <gg_LinuxNoob> like before windows
[14:59] <Tatou> ehh well linux terminals re much nicer
[14:59] <gg_LinuxNoob> I used 6.22 or something like that. or was it 6.11
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> gg_LinuxNoob  6.22 was the last, i used it too
[15:00] <gg_LinuxNoob> there you go
[15:00] <FinalX> I used MS-DOS since 3.x, up to 6.22, then 7.0 with Windows 95, etc.
[15:00] <gg_LinuxNoob> 1990 or so
[15:00] <FinalX> MS-DOS 6.22 was the last "DOS by itself", but not the last MS-DOS version.
[15:00] <hateball> History lessons are great, but they are also quite !ot
[15:00] <FinalX> Windows 95, 98 and Me were GUI's started on top of newer MS-DOS versions.
[15:00] <FinalX> fair enough, hateball
[15:01] <gg_LinuxNoob> quite what?
[15:01] <FinalX> off-topic
[15:01] <hateball> !ot | gg_LinuxNoob
[15:01] <gg_LinuxNoob> sorry
[15:01] <gg_LinuxNoob> sorry bot!
[15:01] <hateball> gg_LinuxNoob: So, you have an audio issue you want to solve, but you havent pasted your chipset yet that I can see
[15:02] <gg_LinuxNoob> chipset is resources?
[15:02] <gg_LinuxNoob> bus info?
[15:02] <gg_LinuxNoob> audio is working fine. I just want to stay updated.
[15:10] <whallz> hi, i have disabled kernel options "quiet" and "splash", so i see the verbose output. i saw some red "failed" lines there, where can i review that log ?
[15:11] <whallz> i couldnt read beacause it scrolls really fast
[15:12] <linux_newbie> I like to think of channel as a tubes (with frequencies) in which my router broadcasts its signal. Is that a correct analogy?
[15:14] <ducasse> linux_newbie: why don't you ask in ##networking?
[15:14] <linux_newbie> I did, but no one's responding :/
[15:14] <surveyor> whallz: /var/log/dmesg
[15:14] <hateball> whallz: journalctl -b
[15:15] <hateball> !pm | profetik
[15:15] <Blakes5> Hi. I'm trying to install Ubuntu to a Acer Travelmate B with windows 10. The laptop comes with 32GB eMMC where windows is installed. I've added a 120GB SSD where I have Ubuntu installed. However, I cannot get grub installed on either the eMMC or SSD. Help?
[15:16] <profetik>  Went on packages ubuntu page and found what i would have needed. But then I would have to download the dependencies of the dependencies.
[15:17] <whallz> ty
[15:17] <LinuxNovice> hello, has anybody here heard of UCare system core?
[15:17] <\9> Blakes5: what's stopping you from installing grub?
[15:17] <whallz> but how can i see which ones where the ones which stated "failed" in red ?
[15:18] <surveyor> grep "failed" /var/log/dmesg
[15:18] <whallz> ok
[15:18] <profetik>  Once I downloaded all of those, how could I just package as one big .deb file ?
[15:18] <LinuxNovice> It is a package to automate the system update/upgrade.
[15:18] <profetik> It would be great if I could check all like in synaptic and when I download it, it converts/exports as deb. Right from the website.
[15:18] <whallz> surveyor: no lines in the output of that grep
[15:18] <whallz> isnt that log "wrapped" around something at boot?
[15:18] <Blakes5> The installer complains of an error which I didn't write down. But when going back via live CD to install grub I get /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get conoical path of /cow
[15:18] <\9> profetik: can't you use apt?
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> whallz  use grp -e, to override upper and lowercase
[15:19] <whallz> why do some lines start with a green Ok and others with red Failed ?
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> grep- e
[15:19] <whallz> no results, its not the case
[15:19] <hateball> MonkeyDust, whallz it's grep -i
[15:19] <hateball> :p
[15:19] <Blakes5> I've looked for the error online and tried a few things but nothing worked. And tbh this is over my head.
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> hateball  right, dang
[15:19] <whallz> same thing
[15:19] <LinuxNovice> am I invisible here?
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  you are
[15:20] <LinuxNovice> why?
[15:20] <whallz> LinuxNovice: you are wearing an invisibility coat
[15:20] <\9> !ask | LinuxNovice
[15:21] <whallz> \9: he already asked his question, but didnt end the line with a "?"
[15:21] <LinuxNovice> the question was about UCare system core. Has anyone used it?
[15:21] <\9> why do you care if anyone uses it?
[15:21] <LinuxNovice> I wanted to install it in Xubuntu. It is not there in the Software Centre.
[15:22] <\9> okay finally
[15:22] <whallz> LinuxNovice: you probably need to set the PPA first to install that package
[15:22] <hateball> It's provided by source or in a !ppa, aka not supported here
[15:22] <\9> LinuxNovice: not all software that works on ubuntu goes to the software center
[15:22] <LinuxNovice> There is a Lubuntu based distro - LXLE.  There that package is available as the default updater.
[15:22] <\9> LXLE is not supported here
[15:23] <LinuxNovice> I am using Xubuntu now.
[15:23] <whallz> LinuxNovice: #xubuntu
[15:23] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  find a !ppa or a .deb or so, but that's not supported here
[15:23] <\9> whallz: he's not going to find help in #xubuntu
[15:23] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, all I wanted is, how can I find that package.
[15:24] <\9> ucore website, launchpad
[15:24] <LinuxNovice> will it be safe?
[15:24] <\9> as safe as ucore is
[15:24] <LinuxNovice> I usually install packages from the Software Centre.
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> what's ucore
[15:25] <j41> LinuxNovice: Lots of software that works on Ubuntu isn't in the software center.
[15:25] <\9> MonkeyDust: some system updater
[15:25] <whallz> LinuxNovice: what do u mean by safe anyways? are all software center packages "safe"for you ?
[15:25] <LinuxNovice> it is an automated system update/ upgrade package.
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> i'm happy with my custom upgrade file
[15:26] <LinuxNovice> I don't know. I am too new to have any knowledge of that.
[15:26] <whallz> LinuxNovice: well its nice you are questioning the "safety" of the software you install
[15:27] <whallz> LinuxNovice: you should probably also take the "freedom" of the software you install into account
[15:27] <LinuxNovice> yes. I have been advised to install packages from the Software Centre only.
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  but start with what you find in the repos, use unsupported/untrusted ppas afterward, if you still want
[15:28] <\9> LinuxNovice: why are you messing with external software such as ucore if you're new?
[15:28] <LinuxNovice> that package is very nice. All one needs to do is enter the root password and everything is taken care of by that package itself.
[15:28] <whallz> ubuntu handles automatic updates for you if thats what you are worried about
[15:28] <whallz> LinuxNovice: well thats not very safe isnt it ?
[15:28] <whallz> :)
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  start with    sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:29] <LinuxNovice> ok. Automatic update option is available?
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNovice  sure, in the system settings
[15:29] <\9> LinuxNovice: ubuntu provides automated updates already
[15:29] <LinuxNovice> ok. I will stick to the above option for now.
[15:30] <\9> i'm not sure how exactly xubuntu does it but the underlying system is capable of doing an entire system upgrade with a single command if not completely automatically
[15:30] <LinuxNovice> ok, guys. That's all I needed. Thanks for the help.
[15:30] <\9> no problem
[15:32] <whallz> so, is dmesg wrapped in something at boot to show those fancy green OK or red FAIL ?
[15:33] <whallz> they are not written into the log per se
[15:34] <ioria> whallz, on trusty you can check /var/log/boot.log on 16.04 try   journalctl -b0 SYSLOG_PID=1
[15:39] <whallz> but there's no way to identify which lines showed as "FAIL" at boot !?
[15:39] <whallz> there's no ERROR nor WARN
[15:40] <ioria> whallz, do you have a  /var/log/boot.log  ?
[15:40] <whallz> yes
[15:40] <ioria> whallz,  grep -i fail   /var/log/boot.log
[15:40] <whallz> only 2 lines there, about /dev/sda2's journal being recovered
[15:41] <whallz> thats the whole file, 2 lines
[15:41] <ioria> whallz,  what do you expect to see there ?
[15:43] <whallz> you know all that output you see if you ESC when you are seeing plymouth ?
[15:44] <whallz> or if you disable "splash" and "quiet" options for the kernel in the grub config
[15:44] <ioria> sure
[15:44] <whallz> i always see a couple of lines in red
[15:44] <whallz> i never got to read them
[15:44] <whallz> cause they scroll fast
[15:45] <whallz> this output is not the same as found in /var/log/boot.log nor in dmesg
[15:45] <whallz> is there a file which logged exactly that output?
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> whallz  /var/log/syslog maybe
[15:48] <ducasse> whallz: try 'systemctl --failed' - it will list the services that failed to start
[15:49] <whallz> ok syslog has some results if i grep failed
[15:49] <whallz> thats a start
[15:49] <whallz> thanks
[15:55] <BetaSoul> Hey Guys, any one been able to get lastpass pocket up and running in the last while?
[16:02] <uddane> is it me or have there been a lot of reboots due to updates, lately?
[16:12] <Philipp_> is anybody using unattended upgrades for production servers?
[16:21] <TBotNik> All: Having cursor/mouse pointer problem. Working from phone via AndroidlRC. Writeup at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5647200#post5647200 Running kubuntu 14.04 lts
[16:23] <ipatrol> Why is do-release-upgrade this big monolithic script, as opposed to a little thing that upgrades the sources list and then lets the user do the upgrades with their own preferred package manager?
[16:24] <TBotNik> Can anyone help me with my cursor problem?
[16:25] <ipatrol> TBotNik: this channel is unusually quiet this morning
[16:26] <matju> Hi, my soundcard disappeared from my settings on my older laptop (HP G62) when upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04. There is no /proc/asound folder at the moment. What do I do ?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> ipatrol, because do-release -upgraqde upgrades the whole OS not just it's packages
[16:26] <inersha> If I have a shell script in my home directory that I want to run as a cronjob, is it okay to write the path to the file like this in my crontab:
[16:26] <BluesKaj> err do-release-upgrade
[16:26] <inersha> @daily ~/script.sh
[16:27] <inersha> Or does it have to be: @daily /home/user/script.sh
[16:27] <ipatrol> BluesKaj: but I would kinda prefer to have aptitude handle the packages. I tend to get better results that way.
[16:27] <MonkeyDust> inersha  cron does not use shortcuts like ~ ... use the complete path
[16:28] <BluesKaj> !aptitude | ipatrol
[16:28] <ipatrol> BluesKaj: I know what aptitude *is*
[16:29] <brainwash> ipatrol: you don't have to use do-release-upgrade
[16:29] <ipatrol> brainwash: too late
[16:29] <mortal1> howdy folks, so after installing ubuntu i wanted to try other desktops, so i installed xubuntu / lubuntu -desktop
[16:29] <brainwash> ipatrol: I'd guess that contributions are welcome
[16:30] <inersha> MonkeyDust: Thanks. What can I do if I want to share the same crontab file on different computers, but obviously the /home/user/ directory is going to be different?
[16:30] <mortal1> decided i didn't like these so i did apt-get autoremove ubuntu/lubuntu-desktop
[16:30] <ipatrol> brainwash: I couldn't find anything else explaining how to manually upgrade the sources
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> inersha  not sure, never tried
[16:30] <mortal1> well, my login screen and little notification icons are still messed up
[16:30] <BluesKaj> think I'll leave this conversation to those who have some thing to contribute , so far it's totally non-productive
[16:30] <EriC^^> mortal1: is it a somewhat fresh install? i'd reinstall honestly
[16:31] <mortal1> :^|
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> inersha  symlink the crontab file to a shared folder    <-- wild idea
[16:31] <ikonia> do not do that
[16:31] <EriC^^> mortal1: ubuntu isn't *really* made to have other de's installed, it's kind of out there as a how-to and whatnot but it's not properly implemented and certainly getting out of it isn't
[16:31] <ikonia> crontab should be in a specific place and should be a physical file
[16:31]  * mortal1 sighs
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> inersha  disregard my hint
[16:32] <inersha> MonkeyDust: Ha, sure.
[16:32] <ikonia> MonkeyDust: nothing wrong with the idea, but that is one of the special files
[16:32] <ikonia> you can technically do it but it will cause you problems
[16:32] <EriC^^> mortal1: or hunt down the packages the other de's brought in which won't affect current packages or the de you want left's packages (that would suck though)
[16:32] <walter_> hello
[16:33] <inersha> ikonia: Is it possible to append cronjobs to the crontab from a file? Every time I run `crontab my-crontab` it completely overwrites it.
[16:33] <mortal1> what i don't get, is if all these things got installed with xubuntu-desktop, why the heck wouldn't they be uninstalled with xubuntu-desktop
[16:33] <EriC^^> inersha: yeah using crontab -l
[16:33] <surveyor> crontab doesn't allow $HOME, you have to type out /home/whoever?
[16:33] <TBotNik> ipatrol: Think you're right! Can't get help on #kubuntu or ##linux either. Most must be on holiday vacation!
[16:33] <ikonia> inersha: why are you running crontab my-crontab
[16:33] <ikonia> inersha: thats loading the file you specify over the master file
[16:33] <mortal1> it's like it's left this crap out there, orphaned
[16:33] <ipatrol> aaaaand my little brother just barged in and complained that my upgrade is lagging his precious games >:/
[16:34] <walter_> hi
[16:34] <inersha> ikonia: What's the preffered method for adding jobs to crontab?
[16:34] <ikonia> inersha: crontab -e
[16:34] <EriC^^> mortal1: yeah, apt isn't really that bright
[16:35] <TBotNik> mortal1: I like kubuntu with the KDE desktop best!
[16:35] <ipatrol> EriC^^: hence my comment earlier about preferring aptitude to apt
[16:35] <EriC^^> ipatrol: same crap i think different smell
[16:35] <EriC^^> never tried it but i'm not holding my breathe for the de issue :)
[16:35] <ipatrol> EriC^^: no, aptitude is a completely different frontend, with a much more intelligent resolver
[16:36] <ioria> mortal1,  well, lubuntu-desktop it's a metapackage ... did you run autoremove ?
[16:36] <EriC^^> mortal1: ^ you got nothing to lose i guess, try it and let us know
[16:36] <mortal1> ioria: yes
[16:36] <inersha> ikonia: Basically, I've got a website running on a server, and I want it to run cronjobs. If I change server and have to set up the website again, I'd like to be able to add all my specific cronjobs to the crontab without having to do it manually. That's why I've created a my-crontab file and I'm adding those jobs using `crontab my-crontab`
[16:37] <ipatrol> EriC^^: but yeah, generally speaking, I find that trying to have multiple DEs installed never works out well
[16:37] <EriC^^> mortal1: there is the program deborphan which might be of help
[16:37] <ioria> mortal1,  dpkg -l lxsession
[16:37] <EriC^^> mortal1: also debfoster
[16:37] <ikonia> inersha: so just crontab -l >cron.out
[16:37] <ikonia> inersha: then use that file to import onto another server
[16:37] <EriC^^> ipatrol: yeah, it's a mess for sure
[16:37] <ipatrol> They don't keep to their own configuration files and tend to make multiple, mutually exclusive, changes to various xdg files and such
[16:37] <ikonia> inersha: this is a really simple thing, you edit the crontab
[16:38] <distortedvoice> I connected my xbox controller via bluetooth but it keeps saying connected/disconnected in bluetoothctl
[16:38] <TBotNik> Repeating: Can anyone help me with my cursor problem?
[16:38] <ipatrol> TBotNik: your description sounds a little bizarre
[16:39] <mortal1> ioria: yup it seems to be there
[16:39] <ipatrol> "When this happens is not always consistent, but one scenario is. This scenario happens when i go to phpMyAdmin and run an "import". I always lose it then." that's like quantum mechanics level weird
[16:39] <EriC^^> inersha: if you want to do it programmatically, then "(crontab -l; cat my_crontab) | crontab" should add the new ones leaving the old ones
[16:39] <herit> hello
[16:39] <inersha> EriC^^: Thank you
[16:39] <EriC^^> inersha: no problem
[16:39] <OS-9947> test
[16:40] <ipatrol> OS-9947: response
[16:40] <OS-9947> thx ;)
[16:40] <ioria> mortal1,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23701024/    these are the pkgs installed by lubuntu-desktop, you can cat & xargs to remove/purge them. But first try a reboot and apt-get autoremove again
[16:40] <ikonia> if you use crontab -e though you get error checking
[16:40] <ikonia> writing to a file then importing it means you get no error checking, it will just load it blindly
[16:40] <ikonia> I don't understand the problem with using crontab -e, the tool is desiged to safely edit and validate cron
[16:41] <ioria> mortal1, on trusty , tho :(
[16:41] <EriC^^> ikonia: he has a lot of pc's he says and wants to do it scriptingly
[16:41] <ipatrol> TBotNik: I think I've had that problem in the past too, and I usually just log out and log back in. I don't know what causes it
[16:41] <ikonia> EriC^^: right, so edit the master one, so you know it's good, then push the others out
[16:41] <ioria> mortal1,  maybe some pkgs version is different
[16:42] <EriC^^> ikonia: i think he's just adding, that's what i gathered anyways
[16:42] <ceed^> What does >= mean when there's dependency problems with a package? that I need a newer or and older version of the library?
[16:42] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[16:42] <ipatrol> ikonia: aren't there specialized solutions for pushing changes to multiple machines?
[16:42] <mortal1> ioria: yeah i'm going through the list of deps now
[16:42] <ikonia> ipatrol: many many options
[16:43] <ipatrol> ikonia: stuff like that is generally Red Hat's specialty, but I'm sure things exist for Ubuntu as well.
[16:43] <ikonia> ipatrol: what ?
[16:43] <ikonia> ipatrol: it's nothing to do with redhat or ubuntu
[16:43] <ikonia> ipatrol: what does that even mean
[16:43] <ikonia> ipatrol: a server, edit the crontb safely, push it out to any other servers you want, it's a 20 line script or a whole config management solution, it's up to you,
[16:43] <ipatrol> ikonia: rpms vs dpkg
[16:44] <mortal1> brb
[16:44] <ikonia> ipatrol: what ???? thats package management and deps and rpms do the same thing, you don't push out crontab files with debs or rpms
[16:44] <ipatrol> ikonia: I was speaking generically, of system management solutions
[16:45] <ikonia> ipatrol: you're making no sense
[16:45] <ikonia> ipatrol: you're saying it's redhat speciality but not ubuntus.....when it matters not what distro you're running on
[16:46] <ipatrol> ikonia: "specialty" in the sense that there's a lot of support for the concept of integrated computer group management, as opposed to this ad-hoc thing you're doing
[16:46] <ikonia> ipatrol: and there is the same support in ubuntu
[16:46] <ikonia> hence why I'm not sure what you're talking about
[16:47] <ipatrol> ikonia: yes, there is, I'm just saying Red Hat is more well known for them. Anaconda immediately comes to mind.
[16:47] <ikonia> ipatrol: anacodna.....thats an installer
[16:47] <ikonia> ipatrol: what are you talking about at all ?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> ikonia, feeds the troll ....
[16:47] <ikonia> ipatrol: you can push out a crontab with a shell script.....what are you even talking about redhat is more known
[16:48] <ipatrol> BluesKaj: I'm not trolling, but I suspect we're on two completely different registers here
[16:48] <BluesKaj> no kidding
[16:48] <PCatinean> what doe s the | sh command do?
[16:48] <ikonia> PCatinean: it pipes something into a shell
[16:48] <ipatrol> PCatinean: feeds commands to the system shell
[16:49] <ipatrol> it's usually a bad idea, and you should probably stop for a moment if you see that
[16:49] <PCatinean> so when doing this curl -fsSL https://get.docker.com/ | sh when running it in the console
[16:49] <ikonia> PCatinean: do not do that
[16:49] <PCatinean> why is it like this in the manual?
[16:49] <ipatrol> PCatinean: because whoever wrote it is a baka
[16:49] <PCatinean> from here: https://docs.docker.com/engine/getstarted/linux_install_help/
[16:49] <ikonia> PCatinean: use the packages provided by your distro
[16:49] <PCatinean> ikonia, that would not be the latest though yes?
[16:50] <ikonia> PCatinean: that would be the latest your distro supports and maintains
[16:50] <PCatinean> indeed
[16:50] <ikonia> PCatinean: you should not run that command
[16:50] <ipatrol> PCatinean: https://www.seancassidy.me/dont-pipe-to-your-shell.html
[16:50] <PCatinean> ikonia, problem is I already did since it was in the official documentation :)
[16:50]  * PCatinean reads
[16:50] <ikonia> PCatinean: so you run things you don't know what they do
[16:51] <Pici> PCatinean: it *looks* like that script installs a new docker repository that will grab updated docker packages from their site...
[16:51] <ipatrol> ikonia: hey, give him some credit, he's no worse than the average Windows user ;-)
[16:51] <ikonia> ipatrol: please don't bash windows users, it makes you sound like a jerk from 1999
[16:51] <ipatrol> ikonia: I wasn't bashing anyone, it was a light-hearted remark
[16:52] <ikonia> ipatrol: a light hearted dig at windows users.....which stopped being real in 1990
[16:52] <PCatinean> :))
[16:52] <ipatrol> I also use Windows on a dual-boot setup, so I can make self-deprecating jokes
[16:52] <PCatinean> I just trusted their documentation and reputation, I got the curl part was just not sure what the | sh did
[16:52] <PCatinean> now I assume I need to remove it with dpkg?
[16:52] <neure> hi
[16:53] <ipatrol> PCatinean: no, dpkg may not help
[16:53] <ikonia> PCatinean: it's not installed with dpkg
[16:53] <ikonia> you just curled a shell script to run blind
[16:53] <PCatinean> ikonia, I understand now
[16:53] <ipatrol> You need to read the script, figure out what it did, and undo it
[16:53] <ikonia> you need to look at what that shell script actually does (as Pici did)
[16:53] <PCatinean> ah so the pipe basically executed the script after it retrieved it from the address?
[16:53] <ipatrol> PCatinean: yes
[16:53] <PCatinean> now I can just curl it and look inside
[16:53] <PCatinean> Ok got it, makes sense
[16:53] <PCatinean> learning here :)
[16:54] <ipatrol> PCatinean: and hope it didn't summon Cthluhu or something on your box
[16:54] <ayolibro> Hi. Where do I need to install the bootloader for a dualboot system with Win 10? (UEFI) These are my partitions: https://paste.kde.org/pivktlf9e
[16:54] <PCatinean> hahah :))
[16:55] <ipatrol> ayolibro: UEFI? Win10? Oooooh boy...
[16:55] <PCatinean> Actually I could just access the link https://get.docker.com/
[16:55] <PCatinean> ikonia, and since it has line returns it just executed all the commands one by one while the info is suppresed by one of the options passed
[16:55] <helo> is it possible to write an init script that will work on 14.04 and 16.04?
[16:55] <PCatinean> I assue
[16:56] <helo> maybe relying on upstart backward compat?
[16:56] <irgendwer4711> hi, I hava a problem with init script of radicale. it said OK, but daemon is missing.
[16:57] <ipatrol> PCatinean: thankfully it appears to play nice and use the package manager to do the work
[16:57] <heiwa> damn this ubuntu 16.10
[16:58] <heiwa> gotta fill in 3 passwords to install software
[16:58] <heiwa> -_-
[16:58] <matju> Hi, my soundcard disappeared from my settings on my older laptop (HP G62) when upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04. There is no /proc/asound folder at the moment. What do I do ? (update: if I manually load snd-hda-core, /proc/asound appears but contains no soundcards)
[16:58] <heiwa> 16.1-sound worked perfectly
[16:58] <heiwa> 16.10
[16:58] <heiwa> normally have to manually install
[16:58] <ipatrol> PCatinean: it also installs Apparmor and Aufs
[16:59] <irgendwer4711> aufs is broken
[16:59] <heiwa> privet pavlushka
[17:00] <heiwa> should have stayed with windows 95
[17:00] <heiwa> haiz
[17:00] <ipatrol> irgendwer4711: tell that to them
[17:00] <irgendwer4711> ipatrol: kernel team did that.
[17:00] <PCatinean> ipatrol, so basically I can remove their ppa repo, uninstall, purge and it's done?
[17:00] <ipatrol> PCatinean: try `rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list`
[17:00] <sruli> after a fresh install ubuntu-gnome 16.04 i run a manual dist-upgrade, i then do "apt install -f" it wants to remove all the packages on the system, yesterday i hit 'y' and it was like watching the apocalypse the system destructed itself and hung while installing cryptsetup (on a luks enabled sys)  why is it doing this? how can i safely use apt install -f from a bash script? out put of apt install -f paste.ubuntu.com/23701115
[17:01] <ipatrol> sruli: aptitude is usually more intelligent than apt
[17:01] <aadi> hi all
[17:01] <ipatrol> apt has a head full of rocks and fried circuit components
[17:01] <sruli> ipatrol: the command would be aptitude -f ?
[17:01] <aadi> will anyone please help me
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> aadi  start with a question
[17:02] <ipatrol> sruli: yes
[17:02] <PCatinean> ipatrol, what if I just remove it from the gui?
[17:02] <ipatrol> PCatinean: that works too
[17:03] <ipatrol> remove the repo, update, purge, done
[17:03] <aadi> @MonkeyDust i know basic java and i am ne to programming, i want to contribute to open source so how can i?
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> !contribute | aadi
[17:03] <PCatinean> ipatrol, just did it. nice, so I didn't pay too much for this mistake
[17:03] <sysadmin> Hi, suddenly the borders of the windows disappeared
[17:04] <sysadmin> I am using ubuntu 14.04
[17:04] <PCatinean> ok so installing the repo version now
[17:04] <helo> aadi: github.com, find a project you are interested in, learn the github workflow, and get to work
[17:04] <sysadmin> Do you have any idea what happened?
[17:04] <heiwa> some geek invented the inernyet
[17:04] <heiwa> and now we all gone to zombie hell
[17:04] <PCatinean> brb
[17:04] <ipatrol> PCatinean: just don't do a curl-pipe-sh ever again, no matter what anyone tells you. For all you know, that script could cause demons to come flying out of your nose.
[17:04] <sysadmin> I just trying to install some drivers for internet usb
[17:05] <sysadmin> but I think I accidently currpted something that removed the borders of the windows
[17:05] <ipatrol> oh, he left
[17:05] <ipatrol> PCatinean: just don't do a curl-pipe-sh ever again, no matter what anyone tells you. For all you know, that script could cause demons to come flying out of your nose.
[17:05] <yotux> When installing with UEFI do I install the bootloader to the EFI partition?
[17:06] <ipatrol> yotux: I think so
[17:06] <yotux> ipatrol, thanks have a user asking in the kubuntu channel I forget how I installed a while ago
[17:09] <aadi> @helo @ MonkeyDust @ ubottu i know basic java , then also can i contribute ,  I am learning android too from udacity!
[17:09] <ipatrol> aadi: ubottu is a bot
[17:10] <shendy> Guys, any help?
[17:10] <ipatrol> !hello | aadi
[17:10] <matju> Hi. In Synaptic, "Additional drivers" shows a peripheral named "Unknown: Unknown" with potential driver "intel-microcode", but trying to change the setting hangs (progressbar stays at beginning). Trying to change the setting back causes the same problem. What should I do about this, and is this related to my soundcard problem ?
[17:10] <aadi> @ipatrol hello sir
[17:10] <ipatrol> !ubottu | aadi
[17:11] <ipatrol> the exclamation point prefixes a command, and the pipe character addresses it to a user
[17:13] <ipatrol> shendy: the short answer is I have no idea why the windows disappeared, and likely won't know until I have a bit more to go on, like some xorg logs.
[17:13] <shendy> Ok, I have a little experience with that, where is the log file to provide?
[17:14] <shendy> ipatrol
[17:14] <aadi> @ ipatrol why are you writing in such a way i.e, (!<...> | aadi)
[17:16] <brainwash> matju: open a terminal window and run "sudo apt-get install intel-microcode"
[17:16] <brainwash> matju: or "sudo apt-get remove intel-microcode"
[17:17] <mustmodify> This is going to make me seem stupid. But how do I figure out whether my root directory, listed here as /dev/mapper/logopolis--vg-root -- is the same as /dev/logopolis-vg ?
[17:17] <mustmodify> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/afe6122753d6658ec131aafd830d319c
[17:17] <brainwash> matju: if it fails with an error, please share the terminal output (use a pastebin servcie)
[17:19] <mustmodify> and am I correct in thinking that /dev/logopolis and /dev/logopolis-vg are a matched-pair of files used to construct a single drive for LVM?
[17:19] <aadi>  sir/Ma'am-     i have an query regarding- how to be a better and efficient programmer! can anyone tell me?
[17:20] <RtMF> mustmodify: am I correct in thinking those devices are going to be used for some Block Transfer Computation? ;)
[17:20] <popey> aadi: this is an ubuntu support channel, your question is a bit offtopic
[17:20] <ipatrol> aadi: that's how the bot takes commands
[17:20] <Guest80030> Hellow
[17:21] <mustmodify> RtMF: Rarely do people pick up on the reference. :)
[17:21] <Guest80030> Any body speak spanish?
[17:21] <popey> !es | Guest80030
[17:21] <sruli> ipatrol: with aptitude is it possible to install only packages that are older/newer then specified date?
[17:21] <RtMF> mustmodify: friend of mine introduced me, its a great episode, and satoshi made it even cooler
[17:22] <DArqueBishop> mustmodify and RtMF: I was under the impression that computers culdn't handle Block Transfer Computations anyway.
[17:22] <Guest80030> join #ubuntu-es
[17:22] <RtMF> DArqueBishop: well that's why they're using two, presumably they also have an internet connection, that gives you three independant actors in the system and it can work
[17:22] <aadi> gotcha :)
[17:23] <mustmodify> seriously, though. I want to mount the drive that I'm not currently using but I don't know which one it is. :)
[17:23] <ipatrol> Guest80030: prependes "/"
[17:23] <ipatrol> mustmodify: lsblk?
[17:24] <RtMF> mustmodify: try the 'df' command, it can help see through the forest of 'mount', also those names are all arbitrary, but a -vg would be a 'volume group' yes, and inside those are 'logical volumes', and the volume group resides on one or more 'physical volume' -- that's LVM in a nutshell
[17:24] <MonkeyDust> mustmodify  and use    sudo lsblk
[17:24] <RtMF> that is, -vg is *usually* a volume group, like I said, when you actually run lvadmin/pvchange/lvscan/etc. you can set them
[17:24] <mustmodify> ipatrol: ohhh... useful!
[17:25] <mustmodify> updated gist https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/afe6122753d6658ec131aafd830d319c
[17:25] <RtMF> MonkeyDust: thank you, I need to remember lsblk exists
[17:25] <shendy> Hi, suddenly the borders of the windows disappeared, anyone have an idea or where to start troubleshooting the problem?
[17:25] <ipatrol> MonkeyDust: lsblk doesn't require sudo; that's blkid
[17:25] <mustmodify> ipatrol: can I rename one of those from 'logopolis'? It'd be less confusing. :)
[17:25] <mustmodify> without having to redo everything, that is.
[17:26] <aadi> I once installed eclipse and then uninstalled it ,fter than i had installed netBeans but i dont know this is not working i have uninstalled eclipse correctly but now am not able to install either eclipse nor netBeans please help :(
[17:27] <matju> brainwash: purge & install worked correctly, but did nothing about my soundcard disappearance problem.
[17:27] <brainwash> matju: intel-microcode is firmware for your intel cpu, so it's not related to your soundcard
[17:28] <MonkeyDust> ipatrol  right, i meant blkid
[17:29] <ipatrol> brainwash: intel tends to integrate their components heavily though
[17:29] <ipatrol> if you happen to have an intel soundcard, it could actually be affected by the microcode
[17:30] <ipatrol> mustmodify: the easiest way to edit any aspect of your partition table is with a GParted LiveCD
[17:31] <matju> Hi, my soundcard disappeared from my settings on my older laptop (HP G62) when upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04. There is no /proc/asound folder at the moment. What do I do ? (update: if I manually load snd-hda-core, /proc/asound appears but contains no soundcards)
[17:31] <brunch875> when did eth0 turn into enp4s0f1? Hot damn...
[17:31] <brunch875> wlp3s0? Someone really hates people with a short memory like me
[17:32] <ipatrol> brunch875: yeah it's annoying. Debian stock has kept the old names, which I tend to prefer
[17:32] <heiwa> what means this [ Desktop entry contains no valid Exec line] ?
[17:32] <heiwa> am trying to run a program
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> heiwa  if you edit the .desktop file, you should find a line with Exec
[17:33] <heiwa> the link is bad ?
[17:34] <ipatrol> heiwa: the shortcut is bad
[17:34] <heiwa> i see
[17:34] <leeyaa> hi
[17:35] <TimSchumi> I always wondered too. Why is it now wlp3s0?
[17:35] <leeyaa> does anyone know if LWP::Protocol::http::SocketUnixAlt is availabe in default repos ?
[17:35] <leeyaa> i cant find it
[17:35] <mustmodify> well, it looks like I was able to mount that drive. Thanks everyone.
[17:35] <stanstill> Samsung Galaxy Player < is there a ubuntu equivalent?
[17:35] <robert45> hi guys, after a dist-upgrade process my server is unbootable, Im getting this on the screen, any advice? http://imgur.com/a/l1hvV
[17:36] <ipatrol> TimSchumi: systemd
[17:36] <fu> Does Nautilus in 16.10 no longer show other drives in sidebar? It shows in 'Other locations' view.
[17:36] <ipatrol> like everything else convoluted these days. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[17:39] <brunch875> ipatrol: thanks for that lin
[17:39] <brunch875> s/$/k
[17:39] <heiwa> when is ubuntu going to be on a cloud ?
[17:40] <heiwa> then i just have to connect to internyet and it bloody works
[17:40] <ipatrol> heiwa: It already is, in some senses
[17:40] <heiwa> ah ok
[17:40] <heiwa> well i remember i had to install the mouse from casette
[17:40] <heiwa> with dos
[17:40] <ipatrol> heiwa: Considering that "cloud" is really shorthand for "somebody else's problem"
[17:41] <heiwa> uhum :D
[17:41] <heiwa> in ubuntu 16.10 sound worked perfectly though
[17:41] <heiwa> no twoubbles there
[17:41] <heiwa> :)
[17:41] <heiwa> slowely slowely
[17:41] <ipatrol> heiwa: the entire concept of a package repository could be considered a "cloud" solution
[17:42] <heiwa> i see
[17:42] <Etx4> hello guys. suddenly and without apparent reason, all my wife account desktop icons have disappeared. any ideas?
[17:42] <heiwa> perhaps you shifted menu
[17:42] <heiwa> ubuntu has a few menu´s
[17:43] <Etx4> how can that happen? i'm a newbie
[17:43] <heiwa> try desktop screen then scroll mouse
[17:43] <ipatrol> Etx4: at first I read that as "suddenly and without apparent reason, my wife disappeared", and I was going to respond, "Um, that's not an Ubuntu issue. Did you try calling the police?"
[17:44] <heiwa> but it should return when you reboot
[17:44] <EriC^^> Etx4: are they still in ~/Desktop ?
[17:44] <nphan70m>  I am on latest stable build of ubuntu gnome, and i have also tried several other linux distros. I face the same issue in all of them, which is that whenever i put my laptop to sleep, it never wakes up! the fan turns on, but the screen stays black, i have to perform a hard reboot to get the system back running. Can this be fixed? i have googled a lot already, with no success.
[17:44] <nphan70m>  I am using an HP Laptop, dual booted alongside windows 10
[17:44] <nphan70m> . 8 gigs ram, GTX 740m GPU
[17:44] <nphan70m> . I have tried switching drivers, several of them with nothing that worked.
[17:45] <EriC^^> Etx4: ubuntu uses nautilus (the filemanager) to show the icons on the actual desktop wallpaper if that crashes it can affect stuff, try "nautilus -q" then "nautilus" in the terminal
[17:45] <Atman> hi
[17:45] <Etx4> heiwa: thats the problem. reboot didnt solved. and yes, it's still in Desktop folder
[17:45] <test> hi
[17:45] <heiwa> terminal = ctrl/alt -> T
[17:46] <Etx4> okay, i'll try it
[17:47] <ipatrol> nphan70m: you know, I think I've had that happen to me on occasion. I've never had an exact reason for it though
[17:47] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[17:47] <fu> How can I show drives in Nautilus sidebar? Looks like 16.10 update changed it to 'other locations' tab.
[17:47] <ipatrol> Umeaboy: lo
[17:47] <Umeaboy> Anyone experience any issue with Virtualbox in 16.10?
[17:47] <Atman> Umeaboy: no
[17:47] <madwizard> no
[17:48] <ipatrol> fu: plead with the GNOME team to stop changing the interface without leaving any configuration options, then proceed to bang your head against a wall as they insult you and ban you from their bugtracker?
[17:48] <Umeaboy> OK. I checked the alternative for USB 2.0 in the Devices menu and now the Virtualbox window won't give me a working menu anymore.
[17:49] <Umeaboy> I'm not sure what went wrong.
[17:49] <Umeaboy> I got no error message.
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> Umeaboy  what brings you here
[17:49] <ipatrol> Umeaboy: sounds like a VirtualBox issue though, not our domain
[17:49] <Umeaboy> OK.
[17:49] <heiwa> am thinking to go back to 14.04
[17:49] <j41> Umeaboy: Try #vbox
[17:49] <heiwa> with software centre have to fill 3 passwords
[17:49] <heiwa> -_-
[17:50] <ipatrol> heiwa: I just use Synaptic 99% of the time
[17:50] <nphan70m> can someone help me?
[17:51] <fu> ipatrol: Are you sure it was changed in 16.10? Maybe it was changed before and I used a fix before, in which case I'll try to find it again.
[17:51] <heiwa> ah thanks for idea
[17:51] <nphan70m> not sounding rude, but this is my first time ere
[17:51] <ipatrol> nphan70m: as far as I can tell, the issue is a hardware one with ACPI interrupts, and it's not something that
[17:51] <ipatrol> we can fix
[17:52] <nphan70m> but it doesn't happen on windows
[17:52] <ipatrol> fu: I don't know if it was or not. I don't use Nautilus, having grown tired of GNOME's shenanigans long ago.
[17:53] <ipatrol> I'm just saying that's their modus operandi
[17:53] <fu> ipatrol wat do you use?
[17:53] <PCatinean> ipatrol, now that I've realised what it does I will never ever do that
[17:53] <ipatrol> fu: Kubuntu
[17:53] <PCatinean> It could be rm -rf /* inside it for all I know
[17:53] <ipatrol> PCatinean: ok then, take care, and watch out for those nasal demons!
[17:53]  * PCatinean is wondering how ipatrol knew he was picking his knows
[17:53] <PCatinean> nose*
[17:53] <winsen> hi all
[17:54] <ipatrol> I didn't, it was a computing joke. http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/nasal-demons.html
[17:54] <heiwa> bye folks
[17:54] <winsen> what do you use to pastbin screenshot please?
[17:54] <heiwa> thanks for twoubbles
[17:54] <heiwa> have nice day
[17:54] <ipatrol> winsen: imgur?
[17:54] <Blakes5> Hi, I need some help. I'm trying to install Ubuntu to a Acer Travelmate B that has a 32GB eMMC module with windows 10 and a 120GB SSD that I added. It looks like the OS installs but I'm not getting a grub boot menu when booting, it just loads windows.
[17:55] <j41> Blakes5: Are you installing Ubuntu to the eMMC module or the SSD?
[17:55] <winsen> ipatrol: I mean in order to pastbin here for help.
[17:55] <Blakes5> j41, installing Ubuntu to SSD
[17:55] <ipatrol> winsen: I think we use imgur for screenshots too
[17:56] <Blakes5> j41, the installation option I chose was to install alongside windows.
[17:56] <j41> Blakes5: Did the installer ask you where you want to install grub to?
[17:56] <Ext4> now, this is weird: (nautilus:1852): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[17:56] <Blakes5> j41, it did not specifically ask that but it did create an EFI partition on the ssd. I assume that's where grub is. But, the laptop won't give an option to boot from the SDD on the eMMC
[17:57] <surveyor> Blakes5, what BIOS version is in the Travelmate? It may be a weird uefi setting preventing linux from booting.
[17:58] <Blakes5> surveyor, give me a second to find out.
[17:58] <ipatrol> surveyor: considering what Windows does these days? "UEFI setting preventing linux from booting" might very well be intentional, *snort*
[17:58] <surveyor> ipatrol, true :(
[17:58] <Blakes5> surveyor, bios version 1.06
[17:59] <ipatrol> I know it's literally true on ARM platforms
[17:59] <surveyor> ty
[17:59] <Blakes5> The ssd is listed in the boot priority. However, when pressing f12 to get the boot menu, the SSD isn't listed.
[17:59] <winsen> ipatrol: I 'll try, can you see this: http://imgur.com/a/Vzv9a
[18:00] <surveyor> Blakes5, Hmm. Is there a BIOS setting like "legacy boot mode" or something to that effect?
[18:00] <Ext4> weird thing. in my desktop screen, the File System, Home, etc are there. in my wife user account they still dont appear and the nautilus give me that error. what the hell is wrong?
[18:00] <Ext4> i've rebboted twice already. :/
[18:01] <Blakes5> surveyor, yes, I'll give that a try.
[18:01] <surveyor> good luck bud, had something similar happen on an older desktop system
[18:02] <surveyor> Blakes5, is it just a Travelmate B? Or like a B113-E?
[18:02] <VileGent> surveyor, i was guessing maybe efi myself
[18:02] <Blakes5> tmb117-mp-c2g3
[18:02] <surveyor> VileGent, always that damnable efi ain't it? heh. :)
[18:03] <Blakes5> In legacy mode the ssd is available in the boot menu. However, it does not load grub. It loads windows.
[18:04] <hamdjan> does apparmor already protect the memory of a program? e.g. if i run my script which reads the stdin for my password then the password will no be readable by anybody else than the currently logged in user?
[18:04] <Blakes5> Honestly, UEFI causes me nothing but headaches and I don't really understand it or how to deal with it.
[18:04] <j41> Yay, 'better' technologies!
[18:04] <hamdjan> Blakes5, you dont need to use uefi
[18:05] <surveyor> Blakes5, yeah man, it sucks, sorry. Try installing with UEFI turned off, as hamdjan said.
[18:05] <ipatrol> Blakes5: I've stuck with BIOS
[18:05] <hamdjan> it's not a technology that you have to upgrade. some people even say it's not stable enough yet
[18:05] <ipatrol> surveyor: windows 8 and up requires UEFI
[18:05] <surveyor> or with its setting in a different config thatn what it was the first time you installed linux.
[18:05] <surveyor> Nah, Win8+ will boot even if you turn that crap off, right?
[18:05] <ipatrol> surveyor: no
[18:05] <hamdjan> on a desktop system i would prefer uefi though
[18:05] <surveyor> ah
[18:06] <ipatrol> Microsoft chose to require UEFI because it allows for their latest DRM machinations in a way that BIOS doesn't
[18:06] <brainwash> are you sure that it is a requirement?
[18:06] <msch> hi, I'm on 16.04 using RAID1, can I somehow change the boot process so that mdadm tries to incrementally assemble instead of the normal assemble? I'd rather start in degraded mode if a drive is missing than not at all
[18:07] <ipatrol> brainwash: yes, absolutely. It's caused its fair share of headaches
[18:07] <ikonia> msch: it can't work like that
[18:07] <ikonia> msch: it will need to be in a certain state of known "good" to boot
[18:07] <ikonia> msch: however it should take less than seconds if your drives are in sync
[18:08] <msch> ikonia: well, I have RAID1, so if only one drive is available then it could still boot in degraded mode.
[18:08] <ikonia> msch: yes, because it knows the state, degraded
[18:08] <ikonia> msch: so you have one source of truth
[18:09] <msch> ikonia: I just tried removing one drive, ubuntu then fails to boot at all, drops me into initramfs, there I can do mdadm /dev/md0 -I --run --scan and voila md0 is active in degraded mode
[18:09] <ikonia> msch: look at the state of the device that you didn't remove
[18:09] <ikonia> msch: it suggests your raid setup has a problem that is being hidden
[18:10] <msch> ikonia: how do I do that?
[18:10] <ikonia> msch: have look from the initramfs
[18:10] <msch> yeah but using mdadm --examine or how?
[18:10] <brainwash> ipatrol: all I can find is "Windows 10 still supports old legacy BIOS. UEFI is not required."
[18:11] <winsen> how can I know if i installed Thunderbird from repositories or not?
[18:11] <ipatrol> brainwash: the hardware that Win10 comes on doesn't though
[18:11] <msch> ikonia: so I just mdadm --examine the drive and yeah, it looks good. I mean I totally understand why mdadm -A fails if I remove a drive (it even errors "CREATE group disk not found") that's why I want to change the way the system boots to incremental assembly
[18:12] <Guy1524> hey guys, yesterday my packages were all weird and to fix it I had to do sudo apt-get -f install to fix it.  Now wireless is not working, lshw lists my wireless card as "unclaimed".  I tried reinstalling bcmwl-kernel-source however I get: modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-57-generic
[18:13] <EXt4> guys, i've found another weird thing under my wife user account. i cant use the mouse right button. :S
[18:14] <ipatrol> brainwash: it's very complicated, probably deliberately so, see http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901262/microsoft-tightens-windows-10s-secure-boot-screws-where-does-that-leave-linux.html
[18:15] <EXt4> should i redo her user account?
[18:15] <ipatrol> EXt4: no, it's probably an issue with the mouse settings
[18:16] <EXt4> ipatrol: also her desktop icons disappeared. this is so weird
[18:16] <EXt4> and nautilus give me a error
[18:17] <EXt4> (nautilus:4412): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[18:17] <surveyor> EXt4, what desktop environment is your wife running? Gnome?
[18:18] <EXt4> i'm using Xubuntu
[18:18] <EXt4> i've recently installed it with W10 in dual boot
[18:19] <surveyor> Maybe try this command: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true
[18:19] <EXt4> then relogin?
[18:19] <surveyor> or: xfdesktop
[18:21] <ioria> EXt4, why nautilus if you are using xubuntu ?
[18:21] <EXt4> surveyor: xfdesktop worked
[18:21] <surveyor> good
[18:21] <surveyor> http://askubuntu.com/questions/451847/desktop-icons-not-showing-up-in-xubuntu-and-i-cant-right-click-on-the-desktop
[18:21] <surveyor> sauce. glad it worked!
[18:21] <EXt4> the icons are there again. what can make that happen?
[18:22] <ioria> EXt4, xubuntu uses thunar, not nautilus
[18:23] <Amm0n> ioria, and?
[18:23] <EXt4> ioria: i forgot to tell the OS i was running. and i followed EriC^^ tip. :/
[18:24] <borryy> nautilus > thunar
[18:24] <ioria> EXt4, ok
[18:24] <EriC^^> EXt4: you said ubuntu
[18:24] <EXt4> surveyor: but isnt weird that this only happened in my wife user account?
[18:24] <EriC^^> EXt4: oh, actually you didn't :D
[18:25] <EXt4> EriC^^: yes, that was my bad. i didnt hit the X hard enuff
[18:25] <surveyor> EXt4, yes! haha
[18:26] <EXt4> seems that Xubuntu dont like my wife. i've installed th x64 bcoz stremio works only there. i've done an update && upgrade and then all was gone in her user account! lol
[18:26] <rory> I installed Ubuntu alongside Windows 10 on a UEFI system. I don't get Grub, it boots straight into Windows 10. efibootmgr says efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[18:26] <rory> How can I change the boot order?
[18:27] <StatelessCat> help
[18:27] <EXt4> but in my user account all remained perfect
[18:27] <rory> StatelessCat: might want to give a bit more detail than that, bud :P
[18:29] <tomreyn> !help | StatelessCat
[18:31] <EXt4> brb. going to reboot to see if it is all ok
[18:33] <StatelessCat> rory: cant ^^
[18:33] <StatelessCat> ^^
[18:33] <StatelessCat> sorry, wrong macro
[18:34] <Tatou> rory: Are you going by the same name on snoonet?
[18:35] <Tatou> What programming language should I learn? I want to create a simple restful API
[18:36] <Tatou> I'm considering: python, go, ruby
[18:36] <Guest73753> try debian
[18:37] <robert45> hi guys, is it possible to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.06 or is it 16.04 max?
[18:38] <xangua> robert45: max? There is no 16.06
[18:39] <The_Myth> hey guys. Ext4 here. surveyor, seems that is all fixed in my wife user account. once again, thanks for all the help
[18:39] <robert45> xangua sorry, 16.10
[18:40] <xangua> robert45: you'd have to upgrade thru 16.04 first
[18:40] <surveyor> The_Myth, good news! :D
[18:41] <robert45> xangua what you mean? from 14.04 to 16.04 and now to 16.10 ?
[18:41] <xangua> robert45: yes
[18:42] <Peppernrino> Tatou: python is a good place to start
[18:42] <Tatou> Peppernrino: Why not GO?
[18:42] <Peppernrino> to create an api, you might need to learn some php and javascript too
[18:42] <Peppernrino> no idea.
[18:42] <Peppernrino> lol
[18:42] <Peppernrino> i only know so much too. just heard of go when you said it. :P
[18:42] <Xtreme> Hello
[18:43] <Xtreme> is there any application which will send an notification to my cellphone everytime anyone logs into my system?
[18:43] <Peppernrino> hehe dad
[18:43] <Tatou> Peppernrino: Docker uses a LOT of go, and it's big in google
[18:44] <Peppernrino> docker is sweet
[18:44] <Peppernrino> oh btw
[18:44] <The_Myth> btw guys, any good app to extract musics from cds and convert it directly yo mp3?
[18:44] <Peppernrino> i figured out my update problem
[18:44] <Peppernrino> for ubuntu?
[18:45] <Xtreme> Any idea what is the color of sky?
[18:45] <brunch875> Xtreme: logs into system how? ssh?
[18:45] <Xtreme> brunch875, normal login. from login screen
[18:45] <Xtreme> boot up
[18:45] <Xtreme> or login from locked screen
[18:46] <brunch875> I'm unsure if it's .profile which runs on boot
[18:46] <brunch875> maybe you could put some python into that :p
[18:47] <The_Myth> on *buntu.. :x
[18:49] <rory> yes Tatou
[18:49] <The_Myth> i mean, an app with a user friendly UI
[18:51] <ioria> !info sound-juicer
[18:55] <The_Myth> ioria: thanks. i'll take a look into it later. and btw, some kinda of vpn app, like install & launch?
[18:56] <ioria> no idea, sy
[18:56] <rory> The_Myth: ubuntu can connect to VPN services natively with network manager. you might need to install network-manager-openvpn-gnome package
[18:57] <The_Myth> rory: it works flawlessly even in Xubuntu?
[18:57] <rory> Can't personally vouch for that. What VPN service are you using?
[18:58] <The_Myth> rory: not any yet. i've used HotSpotShield in Windows before migrate to Xubuntu
[18:58] <rory> hotspotshield isn't actually a vpn though right? just a proxy
[18:58] <The_Myth> it was very simple to use, since you need to hit Connect and the app do all for you.
[18:59] <The_Myth> perhaps. not very sure, tho
[19:00] <The_Myth> i'll check if cyberghostvpn exists to linux
[19:01] <rory> FWIW I use ivpn and it works
[19:04] <The_Myth> rory: free or paid subscription?
[19:04] <rory> paid
[19:05] <The_Myth> i'm looking for free ones
[19:05] <rory> you need to think how they can offer such things for free
[19:05] <rory> good luck on your search.
[19:05] <Tatou> Ok rory
[19:06] <Tatou> I think I work with you actually
[19:06] <Tatou> Do you work for a telephone provider?
[19:07] <jappish> hey guys, I'm having issues formating an sd card containg one fat32 partition and one ext4 partition
[19:07] <rory> Tatou: :/
[19:07] <Tatou> rory: Sorry, must be the wrong person.
[19:08] <rory> Tatou: yes I do. who are you on snoonet let's talk on there
[19:08] <jappish> getting 'can't overlap partitions'
[19:08] <rory> jappish: you should install the gparted package, open it, then you can delete all the partitions and create a new one.
[19:08] <jappish> googled for a solution, but partitions don't seem to be overlapping
[19:08] <Tatou> rory: Nevermind. I'm going out. Have a good evening Josh
[19:08] <rory> Tatou: my name is obviously rory not josh lol
[19:08] <jappish> rory, I'm using gparted
[19:09] <rory> jappish: if it's not working to delete the partitions, you can use gparted to create a whole new partition table, I think it's under the "devices" menu
[19:10] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[19:11] <brunch875> Xtreme: Whatever you put in /etc/profile will be run on login
[19:11] <jappish> rory, what table should I select
[19:11] <rory> jappish: msdos
[19:11] <LinuxNovice> is it recommended to upgrade the linux kernel to the latest one available?
[19:11] <brunch875> easiest solution I can think of is simply mailing yourself something, which will display on the phone as a mail
[19:11] <Xtreme> brunch875, but not on "unlock"
[19:11] <Xtreme> i need on unlock as well
[19:11] <LinuxNovice> I want to upgrade the linux kernel on my Xubuntu.
[19:11] <rory> LinuxNovice: It's recommended to install updates from the Ubuntu package manager
[19:11] <Xtreme> we need an application for this. maybe something like prey project
[19:12] <LinuxNovice> how can I do that?
[19:12] <rory> LinuxNovice: It's probably not necessary to compile your own kernel from upstream. If you needed to do this, you would already know.
[19:12] <LinuxNovice> I want to upgrade the kernel
[19:12] <jappish> rory: thanks, now I've got an exclamation mark on the two partitions. Try and delete them?
[19:12] <LinuxNovice> to the latest stable version.
[19:12] <brunch875> Xtreme: this will be useful for that : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28181/run-script-on-screen-lock-unlock
[19:12] <rory> jappish: actually this is weird but you need to reboot before doing anything else. you should have got a message to that effect
[19:13] <rory> LinuxNovice: If the update manager shows no updates available, you already have the latest kernel provided by Ubuntu
[19:13] <rory> LinuxNovice: Can you tell me the output of the command: uname -r
[19:13] <jappish> rory: thx, rebooting now
[19:13] <LinuxNovice> 4.8.0-32-generic
[19:14] <LinuxNovice> I think the latest stable version is 4.9
[19:14] <The_Myth> geez. mine is 4.4.0-57-generic in Xubuntu
[19:14] <LinuxNovice> I have Xubuntu 16.10
[19:14] <The_Myth> i have 16.04 LTS
[19:14] <vfw> LinuxNovice: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> nothing upgraded.
[19:15] <rory> LinuxNovice: Then you're fine.
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> I want to install 4.9.
[19:15] <rory> LinuxNovice: Why
[19:16] <rory> LinuxNovice: "It's a higher number" is a bad reason
[19:16] <LinuxNovice> I have another distro Lubuntu installed, probably with an older kernel. How can I upgrade that?
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> It is based on Lubuntu LTS.
[19:17] <rory> LinuxNovice: Again through the update manager - but if it's an older version of Ubuntu, the highest kernel version might be different from 16.10
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> it is based on Lubuntu 16.04
[19:17] <rory> LinuxNovice: If you know you need stuff that's in 4.9, such as devices that aren't working in 4.8 and were added in 4.9, you can find packages here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[19:17] <rory> LinuxNovice: But I'd advise against installing it "just because"
[19:18] <jappish> rory: still getting the same message 'can't have overlapping partitions'
[19:18] <jappish> did I do something wrong?
[19:18] <vfw> !compile | LinuxNovice
[19:19] <LinuxNovice> I read somewhere that upgrading the kernel could speed up the performance.
[19:19] <rory> jappish: creating a new partition table should have resulted in a totally blank sd card (no partitions at all)
[19:19] <LinuxNovice> I just want to upgrade the kernel.
[19:19] <LinuxNovice> I am not a programmer.
[19:19] <rory> LinuxNovice: Packages are here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[19:19] <EriC^> LinuxNovice: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-generic
[19:20] <xangua> LinuxNovice: why? Because you read it somewhere? Is there anything not working right in your install?
[19:20] <rory> LinuxNovice: But seriously, a vague idea of "increased performance" is a terrible reason for installing an unsupported kernel version
[19:20] <vfw> LinuxNovice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[19:20] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: do not touch the kernel
[19:20] <jappish> rory: maybe I missed some steps? does it matter which partition I've selected when clicking on 'create partition table'?
[19:20] <rory> jappish: If you use the command "sudo fdisk -l" are you able to identify which one is your disk? With a name like /dev/sdX
[19:20] <rory> jappish: We can do this another way
[19:21] <LinuxNovice> ok. So many people advising against it.
[19:21] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: is your machine slow ? does it have a problem ?
[19:21] <vfw> LinuxNovice: Some advise against it, some don't.
[19:21] <rory> LinuxNovice: if you want to play with future Ubuntu stuff you should download a daily build of the next release 17.04 and run it off a flash drive or in a virtual machine http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:21] <vfw> LinuxNovice: Given your nick, they would naturally advise against it.
[19:22] <LinuxNovice> the other distro I am using is Lubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[19:22] <rory> LinuxNovice: Since it sounds like you might be into this stuff :)
[19:22] <rory> jappish: It's important you identify the right disk because putting the wrong device name in the next command
[19:22] <ikonia> he's not into it
[19:22] <rory> jappish: could wipe your hdd
[19:22] <LinuxNovice> Yes. I am a newbie.
[19:22] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: does your machine have ANY problem ?
[19:22] <rory> If you are a self confessed newbie, installing an unsupported kernel version is definitely a bad idea
[19:22] <whallz> in systemd docked means plugged? i want different lid switch behaviour for when my laptop is plugged in and when its running on battery
[19:23] <jappish> rory: shows up as /dev/mmcblk0p1
[19:23] <LinuxNovice> It is kind of slow. If upgrading the kernel could increase its speed, I thought of trying that.
[19:23] <jappish> was sdb before
[19:23] <rory> jappish: is there also a /dev/sdb ? Can you put the full output from that command onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel?
[19:23] <LinuxNovice> If it is so much risky, I won't go for it.
[19:23] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: does your machine have ANY problem ?
[19:24] <The_Myth> btw, about virtualbox. seems my cpu don't support virtualization. so, virtualbox wont work well, correct?
[19:24] <rory> The_Myth: Yeah it will be slow. Sometimes hardware virtualisation is disabled in the BIOS so check that too.
[19:24] <LinuxNovice> No. The machine doesn't have any problem. It is just too old.
[19:24] <vfw> LinuxNovice: "Building and using a custom kernel will make it very difficult to get support for your system."
[19:24] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: right, so the best thing you can do is stop trying to look for ways to break your machine and actually use it and gain experience using it on a day to day basis
[19:25] <LinuxNovice> ok. I got the message. Won't go for it.
[19:25] <The_Myth> rory: i've looked everywhere on bios. no virtualization related stuff. so, it's better to forget virtualbox
[19:25] <rory> and use lubuntu or xubuntu on old systems, which it sounds like you already are. so keep on keeping on.
[19:25] <LinuxNovice> Don't want to render the machine unusable.
[19:26] <jappish> rory: sorry, here's the url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23701899/
[19:26] <jappish> rory: looks like it's called /dev/mmcblk0
[19:26] <LinuxNovice> Will stick to whatever the version of the distos came with.
[19:27] <brainwash> whallz: "If the system is inserted in a docking station, or if more than one display is connected, the action specified by HandleLidSwitchDocked= occurs; otherwise the HandleLidSwitch= action occurs."
[19:27] <jappish> rory: it's the 15GB device I'm trying to format
[19:27] <jappish> just to be clear =)
[19:28] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot, guys.
[19:29] <rory> jappish: you can overwrite the partition table with dd like this: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M
[19:29] <frostschutz> rory, that overwrites the entire drive
[19:29] <rory> jappish: let it run for a few secs then cancel with ctrl-c - after that you can create a new partition table with gparted like normal
[19:29] <rory> indeed
[19:30] <rory> Not sure why the new partition table from gparted wasn't working before. after doing it you should see no partitions in gparted
[19:30] <LinuxNovice> I have installed Xubuntu 16.10. When is the support for it going to expire?
[19:30] <rory> July 2017
[19:30] <frostschutz> and GPT has a backup at the end, so you have to overwrite both beginning and end nowadays. easier with `wipefs`
[19:30] <rory> frostschutz: nice one thanks
[19:31] <rory> do that^
[19:31] <LinuxNovice> and when a newer release of Ubuntu going to happen, will Xubuntu with the new release going to be made available at the same time?
[19:32] <jappish> rory: ok, so i've run 'dd' unmounted the two partitions, selected the fat32 partition and selected 'write new partition' reboot now?
[19:32] <rory> yes LinuxNovice
[19:32] <rory> LinuxNovice: and kubuntu, lubuntu etc
[19:32] <LinuxNovice> then, it is ok.
[19:32] <LinuxNovice> I can upgrade to the newer one.
[19:32] <vfw> LinuxNovice: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:32] <rory> jappish: you need to create a new partition TABLE not just a new partition
[19:32] <sruli> trying to install a package specific version with aptitude, from the man page "if a package name contains a tilde character ("~") ... it will be treated a s a search pattern" how do i install a specific version if it has a ~ in the name?
[19:33] <rory> jappish: and doing that operates on the entire device so it doesn't matter what ytou have selected :)
[19:33] <jappish> rory: sorry, thats the one I meant
[19:33] <rory> brb
[19:34] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot, guys. This is the reason why I chose Ubuntu. Great community support.
[19:35] <rory> you're welcome LinuxNovice, see you here in 3 years answering questions
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> or sooner
[19:36] <rory> ^
[19:37] <LinuxNovice> rory, surely.
[19:41] <jappish> rory: just rebooted after selecting 'create partition table' fired up gparted, unmounted both partitions, marked both partitions for deletion, message displays 'successful' but after device refresh everything is back untouched
[19:43] <vfw> jappish: sync
[19:43] <jappish> vfw: sync?
[19:44] <vfw> jappish: sudo sync
[19:44] <jappish> nothing printed
[19:44] <vfw> jappish: sudo fdisk -l
[19:45] <TBotNik> Did anyone figure ou my cursor problem, I posted earlier? Written up @ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/loose-the-cursor-pointer-4175596283/. You can see what ive been through!
[19:46] <jappish> vfw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23702027/
[19:47] <TBotNik> No tty, always must reboot locks into this "no cursor" mode at boot now! Cmd i ran made it worse!
[19:49] <engineer-pearl> Hi. I have a problem - my PHP 7 (I am using 16.0.4 if I remember correctly) is missing a driver needed to talk to my sql. I've tried looking for solutions online, but I keep being lead to installing packages that are not avalible for instal as well as information for php5
[19:51] <brainwash> engineer-pearl: php7.0-mysql
[19:53] <sruli> trying to install a package specific version with aptitude, from the man page "if a package name contains a tilde character ("~") ... it will be treated a s a search pattern" how do i install a specific version if it has a ~ in the name?
[20:01] <jappish> ok, so the SDformatter software is telling me the sdcard is write protected, but it's a microSDXC card, no switch on it
[20:01] <jappish> it's a samsung card, not even a year old
[20:02] <jappish> I've had no issues with it running OSMC on rpi 3
[20:02] <jappish> so I don't think it's faulty
[20:04] <Blakes5> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu to a Acer Travelmate B TMB117. The laptop came with a 32GB eMMC module with Windows 10 installed. I have added a 120GB SSD. I've tried to install Ubuntu in both UEFI and legacy modes. Both ways the OS installs but I do not get a grub menu. The computer boots straight into Windows and it does not matter if I choose the ssd to boot from or not.
[20:04] <j41> Blakes5: Where did you install grub to?
[20:04] <j41> The SSD or eMCC?
[20:05] <Blakes5> j41, it looks like Ubuntu installer created a EFI partition on SSD.
[20:05] <j41> Blakes5: Maybe it would boot to the SSD if grub were installed to the eMCC.
[20:05] <jappish> ok, so after everything I've tried so far, the data on the card is still untouched, OSMC boots up fine
[20:06] <Blakes5> I don't believe the installer put anything eMMC because I don't get a boot menu.
[20:06] <Blakes5> I wouldn't know how to put Grub on the emmc efi partition. I've attempted to follow instructions that Iv'e found but grub complains.
[20:07] <Blakes5> I've got a phone call give me a minute and I'll be back with details.
[20:08] <TBotNik> No tty, always must reboot locks into this "no cursor" mode at boot now! Cmd i ran made it worse!
[20:10] <j41> Blakes5: Try reinstalling Ubuntu, but with the text based installer. I think it gives you an option of where to install grub. Pick the eMCC.
[20:10] <j41> eMMC*
[20:11] <lol768> I have an intermittent issue with my "i" key sometimes being inserted multiple times when pressed wiith the keyboard
[20:11] <lol768> Is thiis likely to be a hardware issue?
[20:11] <j41> lol768: Have you tried a different keyboard?
[20:12] <lol768> No, but that's a good idea. I will try and find a keyboard
[20:12] <j41> :P
[20:13] <lol768> The quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[20:13] <lol768> Fine with this one :/
[20:13] <j41> hm
[20:13] <RtMF> lol768: that fox went to 11
[20:13] <lol768> xD
[20:14] <lol768> I guess I can try taking the keycap off and looking at it
[20:14] <j41> Good idea
[20:14] <j41> Imo it would be easier to rule out the keyboard itself than drivers
[20:15] <lol768> plug the same keyboard into another machine and try and repro?
[20:15] <j41> Yes
[20:15] <j41> Try that :P
[20:15] <blackflow> cheap keyboard? I had two different mice, two different (cheap chiense) manufacturers, double-click randomly on single click.
[20:15] <lol768> It's a das keyboard pro
[20:16] <lol768> blue cherry switches
[20:16] <blackflow> ooh
[20:16] <blackflow> still a possibility, major brand manufacturers cutting corners? never! ;)
[20:17] <lol768> Haha, I really hope it's not the keyboard :(
[20:17] <lol768> maybe I've worn it out from using vim too much
[20:17] <blackflow> is esc okay? :)
[20:18] <j41> ew vim (oh i went there)
[20:18] <sruli> what is the significance of a tilde "~" in a ubuntu package name?
[20:21] <Guest99451> hey
[20:22] <Guest99451> Does somone know how to get rid of the messages from Evolution mail?
[20:22] <Guest99451> Everytime i delete something it says: Failed to refresh the folder
[20:22] <Guest99451> Everytime i delete something it says: Failed to refresh the folder
[20:22] <Guest99451> Does somone know how to get rid of the messages from Evolution mail?
[20:22] <Guest99451> btw my name is Oliver
[20:23] <lol768> blackflow: I wouldn't know if it repeated xD
[20:23] <hashme> I noticed that there are two types of compilation messages by ghc - (1)filename:line_number:column_number:    message and (2)filename:line_number:column_number:Warning: message
[20:23] <hashme> My question is are these the only two types that are there?
[20:24] <hashme> that is error and warning
[20:24] <hashme> Or are there more types of compilation messages?
[20:24] <hashme> thanks! :)
[20:25] <TBotNik> Can I get some help?
[20:25] <j41> !question
[20:25] <blackflow> lol768: easy to check with something like xev
[20:25] <hashme> oh damn wrong channel
[20:25] <hashme> sorry
[20:26] <lol768> hashme: I don't recall seeing any others when usiing Haskell, I must admit
[20:26] <lol768> but yeah, probably best to ask elsewhere xD
[20:26] <lol768> esc looks okay
[20:26] <Guest99451> Sorry. It says: Some of the requested messages no longer exist.".
[20:27] <lol768> Guest99451: have you tried restarting it?
[20:27] <lol768> it sounds like they already might be gone
[20:27] <Guest99451> Yes. It appears even after reinstall. I even made a fresh install of ubuntu.
[20:27] <yusne> hola
[20:27] <glitchd> TBotNik, whats up?
[20:28] <Guest99451> I like Evolution Mail. But it always gives me this error message
[20:28] <hashme> lol768: Yeah xD sorry about that though
[20:28] <lol768> Guest99451: can you describe your mail set-up a bit?
[20:28] <Guest99451> I think it is something with the server of Hotmail.
[20:28] <lol768> are you using IMAP?
[20:28] <Guest99451> yes
[20:28] <Guest99451> Im using Imap
[20:29] <Guest99451> but it only happens when i delete messages from the "trash" folder
[20:30] <lol768> I assume imap-mail.outlook.com for the server?
[20:30] <Guest99451> This message: Failed to refresh folder "mailadress@exmaple.de : Deleted".
[20:30] <Guest99451> yes thats correct
[20:30] <Guest99451> imap-mail.outlook.com
[20:31] <lol768> mind if I try and reproduce it myself?
[20:31] <Guest99451> no
[20:31] <lol768> let me configure it for my account a sec locally
[20:31] <Guest99451> ok
[20:32] <lol768> okay
[20:32] <lol768> it goes in the "rubbish bin"
[20:32] <lol768> at which point deleting doesn't do anything
[20:33] <Guest99451> Yes. After i delete something from the rubbish bin, i get this message.
[20:33] <lol768> okay if I click away and click back, it says "There are no messages in this folder"
[20:34] <lol768> if I restart evolution they're gone for good
[20:34] <lol768> which version are you using, Guest99451?
[20:35] <Guest99451> yes it deletes them but i always get this message. I can give you a screenshot if you want
[20:35] <overtech_> hola
[20:35] <Guest99451> Evolution 3.22.3
[20:35] <pc1> my pc wont update i keep getting an error: e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:35] <lol768> hmm, that's a later version than me
[20:35] <lol768> pc1: any more information than that?
[20:36] <lol768> Guest99451: sure screenshot miight be helpful
[20:36] <pc1> package operation failed
[20:37] <pc1> The installation or removal of a software package failed.
[20:37] <pc1> it has been doing this for a while
[20:37] <Bashing-om> pc1: Pastebin the outputs of terminal commands: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we see the errors in context .
[20:38] <pc1> Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
[20:38] <pc1> Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
[20:38] <pc1> Hit:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[20:38] <pc1> Hit:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[20:38] <pc1> Get:6 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease [102 kB]
[20:38] <pc1> Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease [102 kB]
[20:40] <j41> !paste | pc1
[20:42] <pc1> any ideas?
[20:42] <lol768> Guest99451: try imgur.com
[20:42] <Guest99451> ok
[20:43] <lol768> pc1: use a pastebin
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> pc1  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:43] <Guest99451> http://imgur.com/a/Mk3Un
[20:44] <pc1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23702335/
[20:46] <james1138> Question for the group.  After a update (one of several... so I do not know which to try and undo) - I am getting a "GDBus.Error.org/freedesktop.DBus.error.AccessDenied - operation not permitted each time I try and reboot or shutdown. However - I can reboot and/or shutdown from terminal. Help!
[20:47] <pc1> any ideas?
[20:47] <Blakes5> j41, are you still here?
[20:48] <j41> Blakes5: Yes
[20:48] <TBotNik> Since no one has a patch/work around for the cursor problem, running ver upgrade from recovery mode root cmd line. Had to 1st enable networking, 2nd run mounts to get all in rw mode, 3rd issue the didt-upgrade cmd!
[20:48] <j41> Blakes5: Did you see my previous message to you?
[20:49] <TBotNik> Blakes5: No!
[20:49] <Blakes5> j41 I was trying to recreate my error reinstalling grub to the emmc efi partition but I'm completely lost. I'm following this https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall but yeah no I'm confused
[20:50] <j41> Blakes5: Heres my previous message: Try reinstalling Ubuntu, but with the text based installer. I think it gives you an option of where to install grub. Pick the eMMC.
[20:50] <Blakes5> text installer I'll try that
[20:50] <j41> Yep
[20:50] <Bashing-om> pc1: Well. 3 error conditions of which one I can help with. The 1st, I do not have authority to access : what results whn you point your browser to https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/commercial-ppa-uploaders/allvideodownloader/ubuntu ?
[20:52] <Guest99451> also this lol768 http://imgur.com/a/T2c0y
[20:52] <Guest99451> this is in english
[20:53] <TBotNik> James1138: The problem with more than 3 grub boot selections is the grub file tends to corrupt. You have to look up the Howtos on editing/fixing this and can only do in recovery mode or grun boot edit
[20:53] <Blakes5> J41 how do I force text mode?
[20:54] <pc1> says authentication required
[20:54] <pc1> Bashing-om: says authentication required
[20:55] <j41> Blakes5: Use the boot option text
[20:55] <j41> 'text'
[20:55] <Bashing-om> pc1: And do you have the required authticatiuon ? What is the purpose of this PPA ?
[20:56] <Blakes5> j41 I don't see that option. If I press E for boot options I've no idea where to put it.
[20:56] <pc1> Bashing-om: i have no idea what it is i just clicked on the link you provided
[20:56] <jay__> exit
[20:56] <jay__> Oops, sorry.
[20:57] <j41> Blakes5: It's either F4 or F6 on the live cd menu, you should be able to type in 'text' and press enter
[20:57] <j41> Blakes5: Forgive me, I normally use the net installer
[20:58] <tomreyn> f6
[20:58] <j41> Thank you, tomreyn
[20:58] <tomreyn> :)
[20:58] <Bashing-om> pc1: That link is from your sources. If you do not know what that PPA is . why is it on your system ? .. As you do not know .. disable this PPA . and we move on to the other errors .
[20:58] <Blakes5> j41 your patience is amazing
[20:58] <j41> Blakes5: :P
[20:58] <j41> Thank you
[20:59] <pc1> Bashing-om: yea im not that linux savy. i was attempting to use the paste thing so people could see it
[21:01] <pc1> Bashing-om: the output to:sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade
[21:01] <Bashing-om> pc1: All a process of learning. Look in your sources.list file is the entry " https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/commercial-ppa-uploaders/allvideodownloader/ubuntu xenial Release " That I have not the authority to access. only you can know why you have thgis PPA on your system . And if it is needed for some reason on your system . Either remove it, or find the reason the package manager is unhappy with
[21:01] <Bashing-om> it .
[21:02] <lol768> Guest99451: can you delete them all via the web interface
[21:02] <Guest99451> yes
[21:03] <tvallois> #libreoffice-dev
[21:04] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build source .deb packages with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc)??
[21:04] <Guest99451> they are also deleted via evolution mail
[21:04] <Guest99451> but it gives me this message
[21:06] <j41> Blakes5: How's it going?
[21:06] <tomreyn> ytrezq: a compiler is not a packaging tool.
[21:07] <pc1> Bashing-om: im not sure what to do with that but my computer cant even find all video downloader
[21:07] <ytrezq> tomreyn: I mean, how to apt-build packages with icc instead of gcc??
[21:08] <pc1> Bashing-om: i know what it is
[21:08] <arpit> hello guys
[21:09] <uxfi> hello arpit
[21:09] <arpitjindal1997> whats up
[21:09] <uxfi> hello ami
[21:10] <ni291187> selam
[21:10] <pc1> Bashing-om: the all video downloader was a program that i havent used in a very long time
[21:11] <Bashing-om> pc1: If you do not use it ( and maybe not supported in 16.04 by the maintainer of the PPA ) then remove it .
[21:12] <pc1> Bashing-om: i did that
[21:12] <pc1> Bashing-om: just now
[21:13] <Bashing-om> pc1: K .. then we move on the google-chrome. Google no longer supports 32 bit software, so, what architechture are you ? show the result of ' uname -a ' .
[21:13] <tomreyn> ytrezq: sorry, i couldn't tell, i'm not comfortable with it. maybe try CC=$(which icc)
[21:14] <stan_man_can> How can I disable my super key so it doesn't do anything if i'm in a full screen app?
[21:14] <ytrezq> tomreyn: apt-build clean variable before building
[21:14] <pc1> Bashing-om: Linux pc1-Inspiron-N5110 4.4.0-58-generic #79-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 20 12:12:35 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:14] <stan_man_can> Getting very frustrated when i accidentally click it and it minimizes my game
[21:15] <ytrezq> tomreyn: The compiler configuration is written in a config file but I forgot where
[21:19] <Blakes5> j41 - um not good. I'm just going to give up for now.
[21:20] <j41> Blakes5: What's up?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> pc1: Right. 64 bit machine . 2 edits to make . See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2315941&highlight=dl.google.com%2F for them .
[21:21] <Blakes5> J41 - I'm trying to get grub installed and not using the text method because TBH, I don't think it's going to work either.
[21:22] <Blakes5> The graphical installer does allow selection of the correct drive
[21:22] <Blakes5> It's just not working
[21:23] <Blakes5> I'm looking at the efi partitiion and it has stuff in there from the ubuntu install....it's just not working.....I don't Fing get it.
[21:23] <j41> Hm
[21:23] <j41> Bit basic, but have you run update-grub?
[21:24] <glitchd> sounds like secure boot/efi screwed it up
[21:24] <j41> ^
[21:24] <Blakes5> glitchd, yeah
[21:24] <arpitjindal1997> which version of ubuntu you using?
[21:24] <Blakes5> but even in legacy mode it's not working
[21:24] <j41> Blakes5: Maybe make a backup of your Windows install, and install Ubuntu to the eMMC
[21:24] <j41> Probably not ideal though
[21:24] <glitchd> what does it do in legacy mode?
[21:25] <glitchd> Blakes5, ^^
[21:25] <Blakes5> J41 that is not ideal because I don't want to lose windows and it being oem I don't think I'll get the media to be able to just install it anywhere I please.
[21:25] <Blakes5> IDK, I'll research it more.
[21:25] <Blakes5> I think you all for your help today. ;
[21:26] <glitchd> Blakes5, care to answer my question?
[21:26] <Blakes5> I didn't see it.....it does the same thing as it does in UEFI....boots directly to Windows even when I choose the correct boot drive.
[21:26] <pc1> Bashing-om: i ran the terminal: sudo sed -i -e 's/deb http/deb [arch=amd64] http/' "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list"
[21:26] <glitchd> does grub come up?
[21:27] <Blakes5> not at all
[21:27] <glitchd> maybe try and reinstall grub with legacy enabled?
[21:27] <Blakes5> I've tried that
[21:27] <Blakes5> Same thing
[21:27] <Blakes5> The laptop is basically a chromebook but without chrome.
[21:28] <Blakes5> I'm thinking that it's "locked" in the same way that a chromebook is locked to its os.
[21:28] <glitchd> if you boot from some kind of live media, can you find your install?
[21:28] <Blakes5> yes
[21:28] <glitchd> what is the model of the system your using?
[21:28] <Blakes5> acer travelmate b tmb117
[21:29] <pc1> Bashing-om: does not seem to have done anything
[21:29] <glitchd> Blakes5, you should try disabling uefi in the bios
[21:30] <Blakes5> I have
[21:30] <glitchd> hmm..
[21:30] <glitchd> maybe boot a live session and reinstall grub?
[21:31] <Blakes5> glitchd, are you talking uefi or legacy grub install?
[21:31] <glitchd> Blakes5, im saying to leave it set as legacy and boot a live session and reinstall grub
[21:32] <Blakes5> I think I've tried that but I'll do it to be sure.
[21:33] <glitchd> mmk
[21:35] <Blakes5> The error I get when I try that is "grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow
[21:37] <Blakes5> glitchd, So, I don't know man
[21:38] <glitchd> i think the command to install grub is different
[21:38] <Blakes5> grub-install /dev/mmcblk0?
[21:39] <glitchd> is mmcblk0 your hdd?
[21:40] <Blakes5> That's the eMMC module
[21:40] <Blakes5> My ssd is sda
[21:40] <Blakes5> but I tried it on the ssd as well and received the same error
[21:41] <glitchd> what dos it list your hard drive as? sda?
[21:41] <glitchd> oh duh
[21:41] <glitchd> you already answered that
[21:41] <glitchd> sry
[21:44] <glitchd> Blakes5, what about sudo update-grub?
[21:44] <glitchd> same error?
[21:44] <Blakes5> idk
[21:44] <glitchd> give it a shotr
[21:44] <glitchd> shot*
[21:44] <Blakes5> yes same error
[21:44] <glitchd> hmm
[21:45] <glitchd> Blakes5, go here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-mint-84/grub2-install-keeps-failing-really-need-help-4175499295/
[21:45] <glitchd> then scroll to the 5th post and follow it
[21:46] <glitchd> might fix your problem
[21:46] <Blakes5> Working....
[21:46] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build a .deb source package with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc)??
[21:47] <thetrail> Best os? Definitely windows NT
[21:47] <thetrail> Lol
[21:47] <glitchd> Blakes5, if that doesnt work, you can try to fix it from inside windows following this page https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/
[21:47] <Blakes5> Oh snaps a Windows NT troll...haven't seen one of those in a while.
[21:48] <glitchd> thetrail, youre a horrible comedian.
[21:48] <thetrail> Haha nothing better than it to this day blakes5
[21:49] <thetrail> Secure stable and cutting edge architecture
[21:49] <glitchd> thetrail, and you felt the need to come to #ubuntu and let everyone know?
[21:49] <oli-evolutiomail> Hey
[21:49] <glitchd> yo
[21:50] <thetrail> Think of me like a Jehovah... But for the religion of operating systems Lol
[21:50] <oli-evolutiomail> lol768
[21:50] <oli-evolutiomail> hey sorry i was absent
[21:50] <thetrail> Unless you can tell me why Ubuntu is better than NT?
[21:50] <oli-evolutiomail> its me guest 984453
[21:50] <oli-evolutiomail> The one with the evolutionproblem
[21:51] <tomreyn> thetrail, glitchd: please, this chat does not belong here. bring it to #ubuntu-offtopic if you have to.
[21:51] <glitchd> tomreyn, thank you i was just typing that
[21:51] <tomreyn> this channel is strictly meant for giving and receiving ubuntu support.
[21:51] <thetrail> Struggling for reasons for me to believe Ubuntu is best
[21:51] <glitchd> exactly
[21:51] <thetrail> Ok cheers guys
[21:51] <glitchd> go away
[21:52] <glitchd> Blakes5, hows it going?
[21:53] <Blakes5> Slow/ O
[21:53] <Blakes5> glitchd, slow. I'm looking into the Windows fix right now.
[21:54] <glitchd> Blakes5, right on
[21:55] <Blakes5> Being cautious because I don't want to lose the windows install if I don't have to.
[21:55] <thetrail> Windows is best
[21:55] <thetrail> Much better than any Ubuntu devs
[21:56] <wafflejock> thetrail, this isn't a discussion channel it's support see the /topic for info and guidelines
[21:56] <wafflejock> thetrail, you might be looking for ##trolls
[21:57] <thetrail> Lol waffle
[21:57] <thetrail> Hows your mom?
[21:57] <Pici> thetrail: do you have an actual Ubuntu support question?
[21:58] <thetrail> Yea I do actually
[21:58] <thetrail> What's the best way to clean my os from viruses?
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> thetrail  not use windows
[21:59] <Pici> !antivirus
[21:59] <raub> thetrail: how did you get virus on Linux?  What kind of viruses?
[21:59] <thetrail> I'm joking I use Ubuntu 14
[22:00] <thetrail> Its riddled in worms... My mail account keep spamming out to my contacts when its left open
[22:00] <thetrail> I cant seem to clean it.
[22:01] <thetrail> Its definately my os/client as when I use webmail on my tablet it doesn't happen
[22:01] <raub> If you create a cronjb using crontab as a user, which log file should contain messages? /var/log/syslog only tells me I modified it
[22:02] <raub> thetrail: which mail client?
[22:02] <blackflow> raub: syslog is always used, cron facility
[22:03] <raub> blackflow: I would expect seeing a message when it tries to run it, but nothing is there
[22:03] <thetrail> Using thunderbird
[22:04] <wedgie> raub: does your cronjob produce output?
[22:04] <raub> Output is an email
[22:05] <thetrail> Raub I'm using thunderbird
[22:05] <wedgie> raub: if the cronjob doesn't write to stdout or stderr there won't be anything for it to log.
[22:08] <tekisui> woeiiiiiiiiiiii
[22:09] <tekisui> it works like a charm now
[22:13] <tekisui> thank you bill gates
[22:20] <raub> wedgie: I thought it would log something if it could not run the script that is being called
[22:28] <anli> I miss the possibility to right click in nautilus and create a new text file
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> and the F3 dual pane option
[22:32] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build a .deb source package with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc)??
[22:34] <Alpmo> Hello. I have a process (my printer daemon : ccpd) that slows down the shutdown of my machine. There is a crazy waiting time of 5 minutes before system sends a kill signal
[22:34] <Alpmo> I checked a lot of things to configure and reduce this delay but couldn't find anything that worked, the general option seems to have no effect
[22:35] <Alpmo> I also tried to pkill the process before the shutdown but that won't work either
[22:35] <Alpmo> What should I look at ?
[22:35] <blackflow> Alpmo: which ubuntu?
[22:36] <Alpmo> 16.04
[22:36] <blackflow> Alpmo: so there should be a way to reduce the service shutdown timeout, via config option of its unit file
[22:37] <blackflow> Alpmo: otherwise the most obvious starting point is to find out why the daemon takes so long
[22:38] <Alpmo> blackflow: in fact sudo service ccpd stop also hangs
[22:39] <Alpmo> You mean looking at /etc/init.d/ccpd ?
[22:39] <Alpmo> I already did, there is nothing about shutdown delay in it...
[22:39] <blackflow> Alpmo: no, does the service have a systemd unit file?
[22:40] <Alpmo> No idea, where should it be?
[22:40] <Alpmo>  /etc/systemd/system ?
[22:40] <blackflow> Alpmo: try with "systemctl status ccpd.service"
[22:41] <thetrail> Sorry my internet died!
[22:41] <thetrail> Did anyone have an answer to my virus issue?
[22:41] <ikonia> what virus issue
[22:41] <blackflow> Alpmo: meanwhile, did you ask google? There are 900k+ results for "ccpd print daemon hangs"
[22:41] <regedit> hello
[22:41] <thetrail> Worms in thunderbird
[22:41] <Alpmo> blackflow: loaded (/etc/init.d/ccpd; bad; bendor preset; enabled)
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Alpmo: I am aware of : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-filters/+bug/1579905 .
[22:42] <Alpmo> blackflow: yes I tried several tricks
[22:42] <blackflow> Alpmo: yeah, probably no unit file then
[22:42] <blackflow> Alpmo: I'm sorry I can't help you then. the obvious thing would be to find out why it hangs.
[22:42] <regedit> just installed fresh 16.10 (seeing a lot of "Submit Problem" pop-ups already...) tried installing NVIDIA drivers, after rebooting can't get past the log-on screen - everything crashes to black
[22:42] <Alpmo> Where would be this information ?
[22:42] <Alpmo> Which log ?
[22:43] <blackflow> Alpmo: is this ccpd the Canon print daemon?
[22:43] <Bashing-om> Alpmo: Also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1598300 might be relavent .
[22:43] <regedit> how do i at least revert to nouveau from recovery mode root command line?
[22:43] <godiyo>  can any one help with php-ssh ?
[22:43] <thetrail> Seems to keep spamming out mail to my contracts
[22:43] <blackflow> godiyo: ask the actual question and someone might :)
[22:43] <Alpmo> blackflow: yes
[22:43] <thetrail> Def client side as it only does it when its open. Doesn't do it from my tablet
[22:43] <ikonia> thetrail: how do you know that's client
[22:44] <Alpmo> The problem you showed me have been patched already and my system is up to date
[22:44] <thetrail> Doesn't happen when the client is closed
[22:44] <Alpmo> I guess I'm into something else, I also tried the cups trick
[22:44] <blackflow> Alpmo: is cups even involved?
[22:44] <thetrail> When thunderbird is running it's constant
[22:45] <ikonia> thetrail: remove the smtp server setup in thunderbird
[22:45] <ikonia> and see if the outbox fills up
[22:45] <Alpmo> blackflow: probably not, I don't know why it hands, I've no log and they don't show much during shutdown
[22:45] <godiyo> running web server and when install theme asking for credential but only FTP, I want to connect through SSH
[22:46] <Alpmo> Actually what bothers me most is : why does pkill doesn't work
[22:46] <Bashing-om> regedit: Try: boot to the login screen here ctl+alt+F1 to gain a console interface . to revert to nouveau run ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ' . Reboot to see the effect .
[22:46] <Alpmo> I mean at shtudown time I don't care about killing the process
[22:46] <thetrail> Right its stopped. Its so slow tho!
[22:46] <ikonia> godiyo: is this wordpress ?
[22:46] <blackflow> Alpmo: from what I read it's a proprietary, closed source thingy? If cups is involved, there could be hints somewhere in /var/log/cups/...
[22:46] <thetrail> Nothing in there as yet...
[22:46] <Alpmo> blackflow: yes the driver is ugly
[22:47] <godiyo> yes ikonia
[22:47] <regedit> Bashing-om: couldn't get to tty1 but in recovery mode root shell i was able to purge nvidia-* and now i'm back in, thanks
[22:47] <thetrail> Yep its filling up! Got 3 in the outbox
[22:47] <ikonia> godiyo: talk to the guys in #wordpress there are many ways to deal with this, but php-ssh sucks
[22:47] <ikonia> godiyo: huge sucurity risk
[22:47] <thetrail> 7 now
[22:47] <ikonia> thetrail: ok, so thats a good sign you've managed to confirm the issue
[22:47] <thetrail> 28
[22:48] <thetrail> Blimey!
[22:48] <godiyo> best option? ikonia
[22:48] <ikonia> godiyo: move the theme files onto the host
[22:48] <Bashing-om> regedit: Want to share what the hardware is, and see what the recommneded driver is ?
[22:48] <godiyo> u mean download and install individuals ?
[22:49] <godiyo> ikonia,
[22:49] <regedit> Bashing-om: old 8800 GTX, apparently 340.101 is the latest, tho ubuntu driver manager seems to say 340.98
[22:49] <ikonia> godiyo: I mean move the themes into the themes folder
[22:49] <thetrail> Thunderbird is almost unusable it's so slow... I cant actually delete them as fast as the outbox is filing... 289 in there now
[22:49] <Alpmo> blackflow: it's all empty, in error log just [cups-deviced] PID 1755 (gutenprint52+usb) stopped with status 1!
[22:50] <godiyo> Ok ikonia I dnt know about this
[22:50] <ikonia> thetrail: probably because it's too busy spamming
[22:51] <Logos01> Has anyone else here seen an issue with installing the wine1.6-i386:i386 package on an Ubuntu 16.04 (amd64) system? It seems like it's completely hung at the dpkg configure stage. Strace is showing me a great number of errors about directories or files not existing that I can find when looking for them.
[22:51] <thetrail> Yea ikonia think youre right. Its hammering processor power too
[22:51] <Logos01> It's been about six minutes now and it's still doing the configure stage on that package.
[22:51] <EriC^^> Logos01: try ctrl+c then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:52] <axel_> just stop it
[22:52] <axel_> and sudo rm -r the locks
[22:52] <Logos01> EriC^^: That actually doesn't succeed.
[22:52] <akik_> regedit: with older nvidia cards it's not always the latest driver that works. /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows sometimes the nvidia driver version that you need
[22:52] <Logos01> I tried that already. Now I'm actually doing a dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/wine1.6*
[22:53] <blackflow> Alpmo: I'm afraid I have no idea, other than trying to strace the process and see what's it doing on shutdown.
[22:53] <Logos01> That's what's taken six minutes on the dpkg configure of wine1.6-i386:i386
[22:53] <Logos01> Well. Seven now.
[22:53] <Logos01> (And counting)
[22:53] <EriC^^> Logos01: show us the strace
[22:53] <axel_> stop it don't wait for nothing
[22:53] <Bashing-om> regedit: Yepper : http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html confirms the 340 version for ypur use case .
[22:55] <Alpmo> Is there a way for force a : sudo service ccpd stop
[22:55] <thetrail> Spam everywhere there over 4k mail to be sent in the outbox now.. And its crashed out..
[22:55] <Alpmo> blackflow: stop must be asking politely for the process to end itself, is there a way to atomize it ?
[22:56] <regedit> although the graphical desktop *seems* to be all loaded up & running (with occasional "send problem report" popup) but 1) ctrl+alt+f1/f2 does not work 2) trying to run graphical programs all seem to give up and crash, even terminal, software updates,
[22:56] <ikonia> thetrail: may want to quit that application
[22:56] <blackflow> Alpmo: the "politely" is sig TERM. When it disobeys, the os should sigKILL it.
[22:56] <thetrail> Lol its kindly done that itself.
[22:57] <Bashing-om> a;Yes, but is the service presently running ' ps ax | grep cupsd ' ?
[22:57] <blackflow> Alpmo: systemd has that covered, but I don't know if it does with sysv init shims
[22:57] <thetrail> I was more interested to see what number it would go up to lol
[22:57] <thetrail> Its a good worm. No two mail for the same
[22:57] <Logos01> EriC^^: http://lpaste.net/350583
[22:58] <regedit> Xtern works, but even then running sudo apt-get -f install seems to simply hang forever...............
[22:58] <Logos01> More of the same.
[22:58] <thetrail> *are
[22:58] <Logos01> (Note: I had to pkill -9 strace after detaching; the *strace* process would not release)
[22:58] <regedit> is 16.10 a bad idea? should I just get 16.04 ?
[22:58] <Logos01> (Still going)
[22:58] <regedit> Bashing-om: ^
[22:59] <Alpmo> blackflow: so anyway you think the 5 minutes delay between sigterm and sigkill must be hardcoded in the driver or something ?
[22:59] <Logos01> regedit: Personal taste. 16.10 is a STR. You'd pretty much *HAVE* to upgrade to 17.04 when it came out.
[22:59] <Bashing-om> regedit: This a recent development ? or ya not got the hosses to run a heavy weight DE ? How much ram do you have on-board ?
[22:59] <blackflow> Alpmo: no, those signals are sent by the init, and as for this daemon, strace it and see what's it doing in that period
[22:59] <regedit> Bashing-om: should be 8GB last i remeber..
[23:00] <regedit> Bashing-om: just installed 16.10
[23:00] <Logos01> EriC^^: Note; there's something like 30+ seconds between each close(11) and the next lstat
[23:00] <regedit> Logos01: STR?
[23:00] <Logos01> short term release
[23:00] <regedit> right
[23:00] <Bashing-om> regedit: That is PlentY to run wahtever . What results booting into the guest account ?
[23:01] <regedit> Bashing-om: i guess lemme try...
[23:01] <Logos01> Aaaand now I'm hitting about 15 minutes on the dpkg configure of this individual package.
[23:01] <Logos01> It won't even let me dpkg -r it.
[23:01] <thetrail> Ikonia any ideas
[23:01] <akik_> never heard of the term str, but non-lts been used widely
[23:02] <ikonia> thetrail: ideas on what ?
[23:02] <ikonia> just to clarify
[23:02] <thetrail> Getting me worm free
[23:02] <ikonia> thetrail: is your mail stored locally or imap style ?
[23:03] <thetrail> Imapi
[23:03] <ikonia> thetrail: perfect
[23:03] <ikonia> thetrail: delete your .thunderbird directory, setup a new profile and re-test
[23:04] <thetrail> Ok brb
[23:04] <regedit> what's the dpkg command to fix broken packages?
[23:04] <ikonia> regedit: depends how/why it' broken
[23:04] <kaddi> hi, i'm running ubuntu 16.10 and whenever I connect my gpslogger to my pc i start getting this message: [601539.714232] audit: type=1400 audit(1482966224.394:228505): apparmor="DENIED" operation="sendmsg" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/lib/ipsec/charon" name="run/systemd/journal/dev-log" pid=2776 comm="charon" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[23:04] <regedit> Bashing-om: things seem to work here in guest
[23:04] <kaddi> i believe it's blocking my program to access the gpslogger, how do I stop apparmor from blocking the access
[23:05] <regedit> akik_: any idea where in Xorg.0.log i can find that hint about version? or does Bashing-om's findings confirm it's 340
[23:05] <Bashing-om> regedit: Well, that to the good I guess . will have to be config issues in you account . I am not to hot on GUI issues; however, what release is this and what desktop ?
[23:06] <regedit> Bashing-om: ubuntu 16.10 x64 desktop
[23:06] <regedit> freshly installed, already making problems
[23:06] <akik_> regedit: i had this problem with a nvidia 6600 and 16.04. it mentioned the v304.xx driver for me
[23:06] <Logos01> blargh. regedit Really depends on how it's broken.
[23:07] <Logos01> regedit: You can *TRY* dpkg --configure -a
[23:07] <Bashing-om> regedit: Known good .iso file .. and verified the copy of the .iso image ? ( but strange that the guest account has no issues ) .
[23:07] <blackflow> kaddi: add abstractions/base to the profile
[23:07] <kaddi> blackflow: how do I do that? I've never worked with apparmor before
[23:08] <regedit> Bashing-om: yep straight from the website and verified sha256sums
[23:09] <regedit> finally managing to run my first apt-get update & upgrade,
[23:09] <regedit> somewhere in the output there i saw "setting up apt... segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[23:10] <blackflow> kaddi: is there a /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.ipsec.charon file?
[23:10] <regedit> again for update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.8.0-22-generic Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
[23:10] <kaddi> blackflow: yes
[23:10] <thetrail> Still doing it!
[23:10] <thetrail> Arrrrgggghhh
[23:11] <ikonia> thetrail: what did you do ?
[23:11] <blackflow> kaddi: well, I would edit it and add "#include <abstractions/base>" as first line under "/usr/lib/ipsec/charon {"
[23:11] <kaddi> blackflow:  but thanks for pointing that out. Looks like the error is more likely to be related to my vpn than my current issue
[23:11] <thetrail> Deleted .Thunderbird and recreated the imapi profile from scratch
[23:12] <blackflow> kaddi: then run apparmor_profile -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.ipsec.charon  that re-reads the profile, then restart whatever app it is. Also file a bug report against the package requesting that fix.
[23:12] <ikonia> thetrail: so you now probably need to step it up a level, do the same again but also delete the thunderbird package (purge)
[23:12] <Logos01> Anyone here have ideas about how to do this with WINE?
[23:12] <regedit> ok everything's crashing again
[23:12] <blackflow> kaddi: but first of all please check that there isn't already the include line in the profile file
[23:12] <kaddi> blackflow: it isn't
[23:13] <kaddi> it had #include tunables/global in it
[23:13] <regedit> right in middle of a dist-upgrade update-initramfs...
[23:13] <kaddi> but not the line you suggested
[23:13] <kaddi> ah nvm
[23:13] <blackflow> kaddi: okay. the denial is for writing to journald, something every daemon should be able to, so it's in the "base" abstractions (helpers) of apparmor
[23:13] <kaddi> blackflow: acutally these are the first three lines:
[23:13] <kaddi> include <tunables/global>
[23:13] <kaddi> /usr/lib/ipsec/charon {
[23:13] <kaddi>   #include <abstractions/base>
[23:14] <blackflow> kaddi: ah so it is there?
[23:14] <kaddi> so the abstraction/base is included
[23:14] <Bashing-om> regedit: UnGood - seg faults . Were me at this pint I would run a memory test to make sure my ram was in shape .
[23:14] <kaddi> yes, I only checked the top level at the beginning. blackflow When going back to check as you asked I saw it
[23:14] <blackflow> kaddi: then I'm not sure what the denial is about....
[23:14] <belcher> if i disable the desktop environment by disabling lightdm, will wifi still work on my laptop?
[23:14] <belcher> since i notice i only know how to configure wifi through the desktop environment
[23:14] <jwash> hi everyone, i wanted to install a copy of windows on another hard drive. the motherboard is uefi, i had to install windows (sdc) on a gpt partition table. my ubuntu install (sda) is on a msdos partition table. when i do grub-install this is the result: "grub-install: warning: File system `fat' doesn't support embedding.
[23:14] <jwash> grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install."
[23:15] <blackflow> kaddi: you can try put the profile into complain mode, "sudo aa-complain /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.ipsec.charon"  and see if that temporarily fixes it
[23:15] <jwash> anyone have an idea? should i reinstall ubuntu with a gpt partition table on sda?
[23:15] <regedit> Bashing-om: ok rebooted into recovery mode running memtest, fail safe mode? threaded?
[23:15] <kaddi> blackflow: In any case, thanks for telling me what to lookup. charon is obviously realted to networking/strongswan so it's likely not what is causing my current issue and the vpn I'm using strongswan i with is  actually working fine
[23:16] <blackflow> kaddi: well according to that audit trail, the denial was for that profile, for writing to the journald
[23:16] <blackflow> kaddi: but indeed, the bigger context is missing so it could be other things
[23:17] <thetrail> As sudo... Error removing file: Permission denied
[23:17] <kaddi> blackflow: the complaint doesn't seem to have an effect. But yeah it looks like I jumped to conclusiong.. gps logger isn't recognised, let's check what dmesg says -> tons of error messages, that's gotta be it. (Totally ignoring the vpn i set up and thta i never checked dmesg since I did)
[23:17] <thetrail> That's after a reboot too
[23:17] <Smokie> hi, i edited the /etc/network/interface manually through terminal on ubuntu server, when i do 'systemctl restart networking.service' and nothing happens
[23:18] <blackflow> kaddi: okay, but keep in mind the denial is still real, even though it maybe isn't directly related to whatever symptom you see
[23:18] <Smokie> any suggestions?
[23:18] <thetrail> Error removing file: Permission denied
[23:18] <Alpmo> It's a mess, the process doesn't always hang on shutdown, just sometimes and I can't find any pattern on why
[23:18] <Alpmo> When I did the strace it terminated normally
[23:19] <blackflow> Smokie: iirc the proper way to reset it is ifdown and ifup
[23:19] <thetrail> Removed .thunderbird mapi profile but when I try purge the client itself errors
[23:19] <blackflow> *restart
[23:19] <Logos01> Smokie: There was a great decision made that no one should ever need to restart their networking service -- so it doesn't actually work.
[23:19] <blackflow> thetrail: "purge the client itself"? how?
[23:19] <Logos01> You're "supposed" to ifdown -a ; ifup -a
[23:19] <Smokie> blackflow, i ssh'ed to the machine, if/when i do ifdown i lose connection to the server
[23:20] <blackflow> Smokie: sure, so you need to run it in, say, tmux and both commands, like  ifdown <interface> ; sleep 5 ; ifup <interface>
[23:20] <blackflow> Smokie: just as an example
[23:20] <Smokie> Logos01, well, i changed the ip so how can i make the new ip usable if i dont restart the network device?
[23:20] <kaddi> blackflow: I've gotten a gps logger (qstarz bt-q1000xt), which supposedly can be read out by using bt747 on ubuntu. I've connected the logger, I've started the program, they're not talking to each other at all.
[23:21] <kaddi> blackflow: yeah, the vpn setup was a bit weird, I'm planning to get back to it and double check everything is ok. I'll keep the message in mind for that
[23:21] <Logos01> Smokie: If you use NetworkManager then it will autoupdate with that.
[23:21] <Logos01> Like upon reading the config file it'll just change it for you. Because it's "smart" like that.
[23:21] <Smokie> Logos01, NetworkManager on ubuntu server from terminal?
[23:21] <Logos01> But otherwise you can use the "ip addr" command subset to add the new ip address without taking the interface down.
[23:21] <thetrail> I just done:
[23:22] <thetrail> sudo apt-get remove --purge thunderbird -y
[23:22] <thetrail> Is that correct?
[23:22] <Logos01> Smokie: There's "nmcli" for that.
[23:22] <Logos01> But if you're doing the networking service then you're not using NetworkManager.
[23:22] <blackflow> thetrail: yes
[23:22] <Logos01> The Ubuntu networking stuff is, quote frankly, utter crap.
[23:22] <Logos01> It's a constant source of irritation to me.
[23:22] <thetrail> Damn was hoping you were gonna correct me blackflow lol
[23:23] <thetrail> Then it would have worked!
[23:23] <Smokie> Logos01, it was way simpler with older versions
[23:23] <Logos01> Smokie: It was, yes.
[23:23] <thetrail> How does sudo not have permission??
[23:23] <Logos01> Because they didn't screw it up for server admins.
[23:24] <blackflow> thetrail: what do you mean?
[23:24] <wedgie> thetrail: is the file immutable? on a read-only file system?
[23:24] <Logos01> Smokie: There are some fun edge-cases where the ifdown -a ; ifup -a doesn't even have the *CAPACITY* to work because what you really need is a full reloading of the network stack.
[23:24] <wedgie> thetrail: an NFSv4 mount?
[23:24] <Logos01> "No one should ever need to do that" was their reasoning for hard disabling it.
[23:24] <thetrail> It must be writable
[23:24] <Logos01> thetrail: There's also AppArmor possibly involved.
[23:24] <wedgie> Logos01: i miss ''/etc/init.d/networking restart''
[23:25] <thetrail> I can remove other apps
[23:25] <Smokie> Logos01, ok, in their mind, how do they want someone to update a network interface then if they decided that?
[23:25] <thetrail> This is just weird
[23:26] <Logos01> Smokie: Honestly they expect you to use NetworkManager and not do anything by static/manual configuration.
[23:26] <Logos01> Smokie: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Networking_Guide/sec-Using_the_NetworkManager_Command_Line_Tool_nmcli.html
[23:26] <blackflow> Logos01: on the servers? with static IPs? huh?
[23:26] <Logos01> (Ignore the redhat page)
[23:26] <Logos01> Err, that it's *FROM* redhat
[23:26] <Logos01> blackflow: I know, it's a very poor decision.
[23:26] <Logos01> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man5/nmcli-examples.5.html
[23:27] <thetrail> Fucking thing is annoying me. My mom is getting spam from me about penis enlargements!!
[23:27] <hggdh> thetrail: language, please
[23:27] <thetrail> Sorry
[23:27] <thetrail> Frustrating!
[23:27] <CodeMouse92> thetrail: Coming in VERY late, but are you sure they aren't just spoofing your email w/o actually having control over said email?
[23:28] <Logos01> Very. The language policy in this channel is extremely inane.
[23:28] <blackflow> Logos01: I don' teven have nmcli installed :)
[23:28] <Logos01> blackflow: Yeah, well, you're not alone in that. It's crap software.
[23:28] <Smokie> Logos01, so complicated!
[23:28] <Logos01> Honestly Canonical's stance on this is near Jobsian -- walled garden.
[23:28] <Logos01> Their way or the highway
[23:29] <blackflow> Logos01: ifdown and ifup worked for me tho, to add a static ipv6
[23:29] <thetrail> Yea definately coming from thunderbird client. When we stop the mail service it backs up in the outbox... Fast!
[23:29] <Smokie> is this the right place to ask for an alternative?  -_-
[23:29] <Logos01> blackflow: Well yeah, it does work.
[23:29] <Logos01> Smokie: As I said earlier; you could try "ifdown -a ; ifup -a"
[23:29] <thetrail> It doesn't do it on my tablet. Only on this machine.. And only when thunderbird is running
[23:29] <Logos01> That's not a graceful thing though. Either you got it right or you're hosed.
[23:30] <Logos01> Smokie: That's why I suggested doing it gracefully by adding secondary ip addrs to the device via the "ip addr" command
[23:30] <markd> penis enlargement???
[23:30] <blackflow> thetrail: so you've got a trojaned thunderbird. who knows what else. back up data and nuke&pave
[23:30] <Smokie> Logos01, how do i do that?
[23:31] <thetrail> Noooooo!! Really
[23:32] <thetrail> Are there no cleaners for this
[23:32] <markd> trojaned tbird???  it's like the twilight zone here.  how is this different than windows 10?
[23:32] <thetrail> Lol good point markd
[23:32] <blackflow> thetrail: you could try clamav, but if you're infected, you can't trust ANY tool.
[23:33] <Logos01> Smokie: https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rh_ip_command_cheatsheet_1214_jcs_print.pdf
[23:33] <blackflow> markd: Linux has become far more vunlerable in recent years. For many infections just visiting a site is enough.
[23:33] <thetrail> Who infects Ubuntu anyway. Its much more fun to hit windows
[23:33] <Logos01> (Note; I primarily admin RHEL/CentOS systems and that's why Google gives me RHEL-related things as my first target)
[23:33] <Logos01> Anyhoo, I'm out for the day here.
[23:33] <nicomachus> thetrail: boot a live USB, install clamav, and scan the whole disk
[23:33]  * Logos01 just gave up on ever getting WINE installed
[23:33] <Len> guys is there any way to check when last time something was updated/upgraded/installed using apt on ubuntu?
[23:34] <Logos01> ;_;
[23:34] <Len> I need some kind of handler for it
[23:34] <thetrail> Cheers nico
[23:34] <thetrail> I'll try that
[23:34] <blackflow> Len: /var/log/apt/history.log
[23:35] <Len> blackflow: =) great
[23:35] <Len> thanks
[23:35] <Logos01> Len: Len There's the dpkg log
[23:35] <blackflow> thetrail: keep in mind that if clamav doesn't find anything, doesn't mean it's not there. also check for rootkits
[23:35] <Logos01> But that's about all you've got.
[23:35] <Logos01> Len: There's also dpkg -s ${packagename} but that doesn't tell you install date
[23:35] <Bashing-om> Len: check /var/log/dpkg.log  ?
[23:36] <Len> nah it's okay boys.. I need to get ping when there are some changes made via apt
[23:36] <Len> and then I'll get all things from apt using scripts
[23:36] <Len> so it's fine
[23:41] <wiggmpk> Why is it, that I can install a few i386 libs that were not installed before and it generally just installs those libs (maybe a few extra dependencies) but if I try to remove those i386 libs, it wants to remove a bunch of things and install a bunch of things?!?!
[23:43] <wiggmpk> like seriously, why does this happen? https://paste.ubuntu.com/23703183/
[23:47] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: 32-bit system dependencies, and the package system doesn't know the difference? I've always thought it was weird, too.
[23:48] <wiggmpk> CodeMouse92: right? so, being that I have OCD and I have no use for those 32bit lib anymore, I'm stuck with them unless I want a gigantic headache
[23:49] <wiggmpk> it's nonsense, does this happen in Debian?
[23:49] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: Short solution, copy the "packages that will be removed" bit, and then just reinstall them via pasting?
[23:49] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: AFAIK, yes
[23:49] <CodeMouse92> It's apt's problem, I think.
[23:49] <Ben64> wiggmpk: how do you know you don't need them
[23:49] <Ben64> it's not apt's problem
[23:50] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: He's on a 64-bit system, and he installed them manually
[23:50] <blackflow> wiggmpk: it's wine, it's going to cause such a mess, yes. it has a ton of deps, that have ton of their own, and they have to be 32-bit, so it's an avalanche. blame wine :)
[23:50] <wiggmpk> Ben64: because they were installed by me, for a specific purpose. That purpose is no longer valid
[23:50] <wiggmpk> blackflow: it is not wine, these packages were not there before I installed them myself
[23:50] <Ben64> look at the giant list of i386 packages in there though
[23:51] <blackflow> wiggmpk: I see wine in that list
[23:51] <wiggmpk> blackflow: which was already installed before installing those i386 libs
[23:51] <CodeMouse92> (I can second the fact that this happens. Occurs a lot for me too, and it ain't WINE)
[23:51] <wiggmpk> blackflow: wine doesnt just, become dependent on newly installed things
[23:51] <blackflow> alright.
[23:52] <Ben64> first do an update and a dist-upgrade
[23:53] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: That giant list of i386 packages are dependencies off of the i386 libraries he's purging out. I recognize them
[23:53] <CodeMouse92> They were installed when he manually installed the i386 packages he's purging.
[23:53] <wiggmpk> another thing, there are Unity specific packages it's attempting to install after the removal of i386 packages.. I'm using the Gnome flavor of Ubuntu.
[23:54] <Ben64> first do an update and a dist-upgrade
[23:54] <wiggmpk> Ben64 I haven't removed anything yet
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: This is a really stupid idea, but I'm curious what would happen if you used "sudo apt" instead of "sudo apt-get". The command syntax is the same
[23:55] <Ben64> omg, first do an update and a dist-upgrade
[23:55] <wiggmpk> Ben64: why?
[23:55] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: And you might as well run "sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade" before this, just to make sure it sorts out any other weirdness as Ben64 said.
[23:55] <Ben64> ok i give up
[23:55] <Ben64> you're fighting against help
[23:55] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: You can't blame him for wanting to know why.
[23:55] <wiggmpk> Ben64: I am not, I am asking why? what is your thought process?
[23:56] <wiggmpk> I can live with it purging all the "automatically installed packages" that apt thinks I no longer need
[23:56] <Ben64> took three times of me saying it before you even responded, i'm not trying to be helping you for hours on this little issue
[23:56] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: I'll answer you then, as best as I can. Having the latest updates may help untangle dependencies, and separate out what's a side effect of the purge command, and what isn't.
[23:56] <wiggmpk> but removing flash? wine-staging? libreoffice?
[23:57] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: So, try the update and dist-upgrade, and then show me what the purge command is wanting to do again?
[23:57] <wiggmpk> Ben64: CodeMouse92: I will do apt update dist-upgrade but I am always fully updated
[23:57] <CodeMouse92> wiggmpk: yeah, same, but it doesn't hurt to check
[23:58] <wiggmpk> 0's across the board
[23:58] <CodeMouse92> Okies. Yeah, that's an odd one.
[23:58] <wiggmpk> dropping -get yields the same results
[23:59] <CodeMouse92> Noted. Check each package individually. can you isolate if one of those is causing the mass remove/install stuff?
[23:59] <wedgie> wiggmpk: maybe try the various libs one at a time to see if it's one in particular that has odd dependencies (or depended on)
[23:59] <wiggmpk> wedgie: I have not tried that yet, I'll give it a show
[23:59] <wiggmpk> shot*
[23:59] <wiggmpk> lmfao