[11:05] <brunch875> woah, the mailing list surely burns
[18:46] <lugarius> horuxan: still here?
[18:47] <lugarius> hello rakete, matrix user huh?
[18:47] <rakete> yep
[19:01] <lugarius> heh
[19:10] <horuxan> yes lugarius
[19:11] <horuxan> now error on ICrypto
[19:11] <horuxan> and rild.te
[19:13] <lugarius> What is ICrypto or rild.te
[19:14] <lugarius> horuxan: your link is unusable for me
[19:15] <lugarius> http://pastebin.om/ is unknown for me
[19:15] <lugarius> !ping
[19:15] <ubot5`> pong!
[19:16] <lugarius> good, a bot
[19:18] <horuxan> kkkkkkk
[19:19] <horuxan> c*
[19:33] <lugarius> horuxan: what
[19:52] <horuxan> http://pastebin.com/1UiN3muL
[19:53] <horuxan> lugarius,
[19:55] <lugarius> so, what is that?
[20:34] <horuxan> Error, I'm trying to port the ubuntu for moto g titan
[20:35] <horuxan> lugarius,
[20:42] <lugarius> uff, no idea mate,  contact mario grip
[20:53] <TartSpart> hi there
[20:53] <TartSpart> can anyone tell me about SWAP use in Ubuntu Touch?
[21:07] <TartSpart> Hey
[21:07] <TartSpart> Do you know anything about SWAP use in Ubuntu Touch?
[21:14] <TartSpart> Hi there
[21:16] <TartSpart> Spreken ze English?
[21:18] <dobey> !patience | TartSpart
[21:18] <ubot5`> TartSpart: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[21:19] <TartSpart> Are yuk guys real users or bots?
[21:19] <dobey> ubot5` is a bot
[21:19] <ubot5`> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. For more information, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[21:19] <TartSpart> *you
[21:20] <TartSpart> Are you real dobey?
[21:20] <dobey> that's questionable. but philosophy is not the topic of this channel
[21:21] <TartSpart> Ok, I want to know if I should adjust my swappiness value from 100 on my BQ Aquarius  M10.
[21:22] <dobey> no, i don't think so
[21:23] <TartSpart> I'm using gnome-system-monitor and my SWAP file is like 496/512MB
[21:23] <TartSpart> Which alarms me I have to admit.
[21:24] <dobey> i would suggest that gnome-system-monitor on the m10 under libertine, is probably not especially useful
[21:24] <horuxan> mariogrip, hello
[21:24] <horuxan> good night
[21:25] <dobey> you'd be better to open the main terminal app and see what "free" and "top" have to say about memory usage
[21:26] <dobey> i don't know what all you're doing on your tablet, but i would say in general changing the "swappiness" from the defaults is probably not a great idea
[21:27] <TartSpart> Generally just multitasking casually across several apps.
[21:28] <dobey> unity8 apps or legacy apps?
[21:28] <TartSpart>  Swap:       524284     503520      20764 is the output of "free"
[21:28] <TartSpart> Primarily Unity8, I just have the system monitor up from legacy.
[21:28] <dobey> ie, firefox is pretty heavy in terms of memory usage, and the m10 only has i think 3 GB RAM
[21:29] <dobey> well sort by memory usage in top and see what's eating memory. maybe something has a leak or something?
[21:29] <TartSpart> 2GB actually. Yes I have several tabs on the default Ubuntu browser.
[21:29] <dobey> also if you dumped any large files into /tmp for example, that will eat up memory, as /tmp is a ram fs
[21:30] <dobey> yeah, the browser will eat up memory too. it's the chromium content api that powers it
[21:30] <dobey> so more tabs == more ram
[21:31] <TartSpart> Ok, I'll quit it for starters.
[21:32] <TartSpart> And of course that immediately dips the RAM and SWAP, phew.
[21:34] <TartSpart> Ah about tmp. I was wondering. Is it a RAM disk fs by default? As in can I put files of any size up to a certain limit depending on RAM usage and that can reduce writes to the flash storage of the device?
[21:36] <dobey> yes, /tmp is ramdisk
[21:37] <TartSpart> That's how I sometimes use my desktop with 8GB of RAM and an SSD, to prolong the r/w lifecycle of the SSD. But I had to specifically configure that system to permit a 4GB RAM disk mounted  in tmp  and I wasn't sure if the same was applicable for UT devices.
[21:39] <dobey> well, /tmp is a memory backed filesystem on Ubuntu. that includes phone/tablet/server/pc
[21:41] <TartSpart> So there's no arbitrary memory limitation outside of the size of RAM and what's loaded in memory, to limit the size of file which can be placed in the directory?
[21:43] <TartSpart> Or files plural.
[21:43] <dobey> basically, yeah
[21:44] <TartSpart> Great! Thanks for telling me, web searches yielded nothing.
[21:44] <dobey> "df" would have told you :)
[21:45] <TartSpart> Again, thanks. How familiar are you with installing Libertine apps to Touch devices?
[21:46] <dobey> not especially. the libertine app provides the ui for managing containers iirc
[21:47] <dobey> basically you can apt-get install pretty much anything inside the container, that's in the archives
[21:48] <TartSpart> Indeed. I've been playing about with several today. Video game emulators seem out of the question due to a lack of Opening on the M10.
[21:48] <TartSpart> Vlc also chokes on video output, which is diappointing, but I'm wondering if there's a way to fix that.
[21:49] <TartSpart> *OpenGL  not opening
[21:49] <dobey> opengl should work
[21:50] <dobey> oh, maybe there is something that needs changed in how the X servers get run though
[21:50] <TartSpart> It seems to break emulators whenever I apply it in the settings.
[21:51] <dobey> there are some emulators in the app store that run on unity8 directly
[21:51] <dobey> (not sure what you're looking for exactly though)
[21:52] <dobey> libertine devs would be better to answer that
[21:52] <dobey> you'll have better luck after jan 3 though, when people start coming back from vacation :)
[21:55] <TartSpart> Maybe, I'll check out U8 emus. But as for VLC, someone told me that the M10's CPU is too slow for software decoding, and hardware accelerated decoding is somehow hamstrung in Libertine apps, possibly related to how the X servers function as you say.
[21:57] <TartSpart> Sound about right to you?
[22:01] <dobey> well hardware decoding is probably a little more complex, for security
[22:02] <dobey> the CPU probably is indeed not great for software decoding
[22:02] <TartSpart> Again like you say I guess my best bet is to talk to the Libertine debs.
[22:05] <TartSpart> Are you familiar with the factory desktop apps e.g. gedit, Libre Office, Firefox etc how you need to mount the SD card via terminal so that they can interact with the card?
[22:06] <dobey> it would need to be bind mounted somewhere into the container's chroot; i don't know exactly how best to do it though. another question for libertine devs i would suggest
[22:07] <TartSpart> Well I mean it's an easy enough mount command, that itself isn't a problem.
[22:09] <TartSpart> But if you try this with any desktop apps you manually install via Libertine e.g. Vlc then for whatever reason they still don't detect the card.
[22:10] <TartSpart> That's another thing I need an explanation/fix for and I hope the debs can help.
[22:13] <TartSpart> devs *
[22:16] <TartSpart> Anyway what devices are you guys using?
[22:20] <dobey> well you presumably created another container, and vlc is in that other container. so you have to mount it in each container you want to use it in
[22:21] <TartSpart> Ah, very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
[22:23] <dobey> anyway, have to go
[22:25] <TartSpart> Ok thanks man, see ya!
[23:20] <Tseko> Hi
[23:20] <Tseko> I want to ask you about ubuntu phone
[23:21] <Tseko> Can i using on my blackberry 10 ?
[23:21] <Tseko> Blackbery classic *
[23:23] <Tseko> ...
[23:25] <OerHeks> Tseko, no. see the supported devices and ports
[23:25] <Tseko> Can you give me list with them
[23:25] <OerHeks> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[23:26] <Tseko> Thank you
[23:26] <OerHeks> and if that phone meets the specs, start your own port? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[23:27] <Tseko> Have a nice day
[23:28] <OerHeks> You too!