[01:33] <[Relic]> I can get seperate X screens (one on each monitor) but I can't get each screen to operate independantly and each have essentially a full kubuntu session running at once.  Would changing sddm to lightdm make that possible or is it some other component that is stopping me?
[01:35] <sentre> [Relic] just me again wish i could help , i think we're both gonna have to go direxctly to the kde developers thru forums or bug reports or something
[01:35] <sentre> my problem isn't fixable either  :(
[01:36] <[Relic]> what is yours?
[01:36] <sentre> gonna wait till 5.8.5 lands on backports
[01:36] <sentre> can't get unified outputs to display in correct resolution for each display
[01:36] <[Relic]> I remember that
[01:36] <sentre> so if main is 1900/x whatever and notebook is 1333 x what ever one or the othewr is useless
[01:37] <sentre> so make using duel monitors freakin useless lol
[01:37] <[Relic]> so cloning display on two different resolutions doesn't work well
[01:38] <sentre> doesn't work at alol
[01:38] <sentre> plus the extended display is freakin anoying
[01:38] <sentre> to me atleast
[01:39] <sentre> pick one monitor as main , then all window jump and and max on main , but all functions are avaailable tgthe real desktop on secondary?
[01:39] <sentre> um who thought that one up :)
[01:39] <sentre> not to mention no capability to project a screen thru wifi
[01:39] <sentre> i just think duel support is like back of list atm
[01:40] <sentre> not sure why sinse almost everything short of a pi pc comes with hsmi out now atleast
[01:41] <sentre> if they worked on duel monitor config they way the do on windows config , kde would be light years ahead of alot of distros
[01:42] <sentre> i mean sizing reshaping affects ect. now windows os :)
[01:42] <sentre> not windows
[01:42] <sentre> the os
[04:57] <jack> Trying to update from 16.04 to 16.10 followed instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu when I go to upgrade it does nothing
[04:58] <jack> I enteredsudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[04:58] <jack> I entered sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE manually
[04:58] <jack> and got the error FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/ubuntu-release-upgrader/fetch-progress.ui'
[04:58] <jack> how can this be fixed?
[05:04] <[Relic]> is that the one that needs the ->  This can be fixed by installing the package ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt via Discover/Muon or another package manager.  Or alternatively by installing in Konsole or other terminal application with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt'.
[05:05] <[Relic]> jack, if you don't have that package installed like it says on that page it can prevent the upgrade
[05:05] <sintre> happy new year all
[05:06] <[Relic]> or if you are on your third+ drink, hippie nude deer
[05:07] <sintre> jack > update , then upgrade everything you can
[05:07] <sintre> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:07] <sintre> sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:08] <[Relic]> the error he shows means the upgrader wasn't installed
[05:08] <sintre> how did that happen?
[05:08] <sintre> ok probally a question we don't wanna try to find tonight lol
[05:08] <jack> lol.
[05:08] <jack> thanks guys
[05:09] <jack> going to reset pc
[05:09] <[Relic]> best guess it was LTS and people didn't put it in the LTS
[05:09] <sintre> i use lts and its in lts
[05:09] <sintre> well guess we'll never get to bototm of that one
[05:09] <[Relic]> first time I did 16.04 to 16.10 it wasn't there
[05:10] <sintre> well i was coming from backported upgraded 16.04 last time i did that upgrade
[05:10] <sintre> so maybe its not be default
[05:29] <[Relic]> kwin
[05:30] <dorothy> Hi, for some reason the network symbol from the status bar of my Kubuntu 16.10 vanished that I am unable to connect to WiFi through GUI. How can I reset the status bar so that the network symbol in status bar reappears?
[05:31] <sintre> go to settings
[05:33] <sintre> ksry had to much to trouble shoot this of top of my head
[05:33] <sintre> mean drink
[05:33] <sintre> give me a minute to think lol
[05:33] <dorothy> sintre: talking to me?
[05:33] <sintre> yea hope you ignored me :)
[05:34] <sintre> was gonna follow that up with a how to but distracted atm  :)
[05:35] <sintre> plus i'm using 16.04 lts so problally not best to help with this one
[05:37] <dorothy> sintre: I just need a gui to connect to WiFi. wpa_cli is not working well
[05:38] <sintre> you lost connection editor somehow correct?
[05:38] <dorothy> sintre: Yes which you see in system tray
[05:39] <sintre> i'm in it now but can figure out its name to activate it , has a setting to add to try
[05:39] <sintre> so finding it if i can
[05:41] <sintre> ok i'm drunk now officall
[05:41] <sintre> right click on desktop
[05:41] <sintre> then go to widgets
[05:41] <sintre> look fr widget that says connection
[05:41] <sintre> thats the manager
[05:42] <sintre> drag and drop where you want it
[05:42] <sintre> of course last place i'd look for it :)
[05:43] <dorothy> sintre: Have searched there. No widget called connection
[05:43] <sintre> sorry it says networks
[05:43] <sintre> again been long night :)
[05:44] <dorothy> sintre: I have tried those keywords. Only "Network Monitor" shows up
[05:45] <sintre> no do't use key words in krunner
[05:45] <sintre> right click on disktop then click add widget
[05:45] <dorothy> sintre: Yes, I am talking about widget part itself
[05:45] <sintre> then go find the icon that says networks
[05:45] <sintre> click on it then drag to deskktop
[05:46] <sintre> then click on it again
[05:46] <dorothy> sintre: Nada. Not there
[05:47] <sintre> its there but in the lil box the widgets pop up it may not have an icon
[05:48] <sintre> until you drag it and place it on desktop
[05:49] <sintre> its probally by notes if that helps
[05:49] <dorothy> I am 16.10
[05:49] <dorothy> No such widget
[05:49] <dorothy> I am on*
[05:50] <sintre> well i am using 16.04 , but upgraded , i can't imagine it not having a widget
[05:50] <sintre> if you haven't solved you problem i'll update a different pc
[05:50] <[Relic]> called system tray in 16.10
[05:51] <[Relic]> system tray settings
[05:51] <sintre> tomorrow when i'm sober enough lol , thx relic
[05:51] <[Relic]> usually shows the triangle the speaker and the scissors
[05:51] <dorothy> [Relic]: I dragged system tray, it's without network management icon
[05:52] <sintre> ok screw new solution
[05:52] <sintre> take curour to right or left o screen
[05:53] <sintre> then right click and say add panel select default panel
[05:53] <[Relic]> right click and call up the system tray settings and make sure network is checked
[05:53] <sintre> ssee if that gives you one
[05:53] <dorothy> [Relic]: There is no Network option either in hidden menu nor in configuration
[05:54] <dorothy> [Relic]: For System Tray widget
[05:54] <dorothy> sintre: Yes, have done that as well. Nothing. It's again with network icon
[05:55] <sintre> i jsut gave myself three panels around entire border all came with them hmm
[05:55] <dorothy> Even tried direct ethernet connection, not working directly
[05:55] <dorothy> Something is messed up on network level
[05:56] <[Relic]> so when you right click on that and bring up the system tray settings general categories has 5 selections, then below that in extra items the 3rd item here is Networks
[05:57] <dorothy> System Tray Settings > General > Categories - no network option here. Then Extra Items - no network option here as well
[05:57] <dorothy> I have done all this
[05:58] <[Relic]> that section scrolls, but it should be there
[05:58] <sintre> i believe you dorothy > but this is a head scratcher
[05:59] <dorothy> [Relic]: Yes, I checked it thoroughly
[05:59] <sintre> that even making new default panel won't bring up network config in the panel
[05:59] <[Relic]> weird thought but have you just tried a reboot and see if it shows up?
[05:59] <dorothy> [Relic]: Yep. Nothing even after multiple reboots
[06:00] <dorothy> Even connecting to WiFi through cli is failing
[06:00] <dorothy> Kernel module for WiFi is loaded already
[06:00] <dorothy> wpa_cli is failing
[06:00] <dorothy> No GUI
[06:01] <sintre> update and upgrade everything?
[06:01] <dorothy> sintre: How will I update and upgrade? lol
[06:01] <dorothy> There is no network connection
[06:01] <sintre> if not network how are you talking to us
[06:01] <dorothy> I am chatting through another system
[06:02] <sintre> well honestly even sober i wouldn't know where to go from here
[06:03] <dorothy> Yeah, even I am thinking what to do
[06:03] <sintre> well go nuclear aka reinstall
[06:03] <sintre> after you back up
[06:03] <dorothy> Ah ni
[06:03] <dorothy> Ah no
[06:03] <sintre> decide  if its easier than trying to trouble shoot this
[06:04] <sintre> well thats up for you to decide of course
[06:06] <sintre> well tomorrow alot more people will probally be around
[06:07] <sintre> hopefully they can come up with a solution for you
[06:07] <dorothy> There must be a qdbus command to trigger network management window
[06:08] <sintre> well why the widet itself decided to disapear from your entire os is well stranger
[06:08] <dorothy> yes
[06:09] <sintre> sudo start network-manager
[06:09] <[Relic]> system settings -> network (settings or connectivity) do anything?
[06:10] <dorothy> [Relic]: I could not see option to connect to WiFi through System Settings>Network anywhere
[06:11] <sintre> is it possible you have a laptop with wifi fn+ key you may of hit and disabled wifi by acident?
[06:11] <dorothy> sintre: uh what. command not found"
[06:11] <dorothy> sintre: Nope, tried
[06:12] <dorothy> Even ethernet is not working directly
[06:12] <dorothy> USB tethering is not working
[06:12] <dorothy> The entire network system seems to have been affected
[06:12] <dorothy> ifconfig shows fine
[06:12] <sintre> well sound like something went really wrong with your install at this point
[06:13] <dorothy> It's not a fresh install
[06:13] <dorothy> Using this version since launch
[06:13] <sintre> well up to you to decide how many hours you want to mess with trying to fix this
[06:13] <sintre> its not normall
[06:13] <[Relic]> system setting -> start up shut down -> background services is network status checked and running in the startup services box?
[06:14] <dorothy> [Relic]: Okay, this I didn't try. Hold on
[06:14] <[Relic]> also plasmanetwork management module
[06:16] <dorothy> [Relic]: Okay, System Settings>Workspace section > Startup and Shutdown > Background Services > Startup Services section - Network Proxy Configuration and Network Status are working
[06:16] <dorothy> Running that is
[06:16] <dorothy> [Relic]: Now about plasmanetwork management module, where is it?
[06:16] <[Relic]> two down from the one above usually
[06:17] <[Relic]> plasma networmanagement module
[06:17] <dorothy> Under Startup Services itself?
[06:17] <[Relic]> yep
[06:17] <[Relic]> should be right under notification helper
[06:18] <dorothy> Nothing by that name. Only Power Management and Print Manager starts with letter P
[06:18] <[Relic]> in that bottom scroll box
[06:18] <dorothy> Yes, there itself
[06:19] <[Relic]> should be right above print manager
[06:19] <dorothy> Only two things starting with letter P
[06:19] <sintre> mine is right above print manager and right below notification helper
[06:20] <dorothy> Yeah, missing here
[06:20] <dorothy> Something really got messed up
[06:20] <sintre> ok dorthory something went wrong somewhere
[06:20] <sintre> really need to back up and thnk about fresh install
[06:21] <sintre> the time we've been troubleshooting this you could of done a fresh install already
[06:21] <[Relic]> libkf5networkmanagerqt6 installed?
[06:21] <sintre> love to help but were going in circles
[06:23] <dorothy> [Relic]: already installed but it;s asking to install resolvconf
[06:23] <dorothy> I remember comming across resolvconf before [Relic]
[06:24] <[Relic]> I am hardwired here so no idea  :)
[06:25] <dorothy> Thanks for your time and help sintre and [Relic]
[06:25] <sintre> np , wish i could of been more use
[06:25] <sintre> but honestly just for peace of mind i'd reinstall at this point
[06:26] <sintre> if it were me facing this problem
[06:26] <sintre> to each there own though
[06:27] <sintre> happy new year btw dorothy and [Relic] :)
[06:56] <Noor_egy> hello i did made mistake i did sudo chmod 777 -R / which gived write permission to alot of my system files
[06:57] <Noor_egy> now when i try to build some application it gives some errors when i asked they told me that its because the user dont have execution permission even when i used sudo
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year everyone
[16:24] <hay207> Hi, i get alsa errors when trying to run a steam game, Here 's console output:
[16:25] <hay207> http://pastebin.com/pa8vLUe8
[19:32] <Vincent45> Happy new years!
[21:49] <user|86137> hello.
[21:49] <stav> Hi ! Anyone there?
[21:49] <nuxmuncher> Hlloooo?
[21:49] <user|86137> Yes, hello.
[21:49] <Nytram> I am, but I'm probably not going to be of much help. ;)
[21:50] <user|86137> Is there someone who would able to help<
[21:50] <Nytram> You need to ask the question first.
[21:50] <user|86137> With Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:50] <user|86137> boots only to tty
[21:51] <user|86137> not loading the KDE plasma gui
[21:51] <nuxmuncher> getting an error message with ubuntu lo memory in root filesystem... happens after running bleachbit... can someone here assist?
[21:52] <nuxmuncher> specifically: "the-volume-filesystem-root-has-only-0-bytes-disk-space-remaining"
[21:53] <Nytram> user|86137 probably a gfx driver issue.
[21:55] <user|86137> no, it worked fine
[21:55] <Nytram> I have stopped using bleachbit for that exact same reason.
[21:55] <user|86137> i upgraded to plasma 5.8 via ppa backports
[21:56] <Nytram> There are certain items you can "turn off" to work around the issue but it isn't a fix.
[21:56] <user|86137> did not work well, so i downgraded
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> so I lets ubuntu run 'free like willy' ?
[21:56] <user|86137> and it does not work since
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> no maintenance whatsoever
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> ?
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> apt-get clean is enough from time to time?
[21:58] <user|86137> what does apt/get clean do
[21:58] <Nytram> I always use the propriatary nvidia drivers so I'm not sure how well plasma works with the free driver
[21:58] <nuxmuncher> ... just switched my production box from winbloze to ubuntu (finally) so I'm unfamilar with many 'workings'.. trying to avoid any curveballs in this respect
[21:58] <IrcsomeBot2> Maksim Muruev was added by: Maksim Muruev
[21:58] <nuxmuncher> can anyone recommend 'best practice' for same?
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> Hello, I've got
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> problem with sound system
[22:00] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> Basically I have multimedia monitor with HDMI and internal sound card, also BT headphones. And I want flexible and easy way switch between those devices.
[22:01] <Nytram> When I feel I need to run Bleachbit I let it run overnight and simply kill the process in the morning. I always stalls with one minute remaining.
[22:02] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> For now I have my monitor and internal sound card as ONE device?!  Why? In ubuntu HDMI shows as separated. Also sound volume control stop work for 'master'' when I do switch.
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> ...so bleachbit perpetually broken?
[22:03] <Nytram> Last I looked it was.
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> is there any other way to gage overall box health?
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> *automatic* way
[22:04] <Nytram> I wouldn't want to automatically run something like bleachbit.
[22:04] <nuxmuncher> ... so just 'shotgun maintenance'  is what you recommend?
[22:05] <Nytram> Safest way I work is to use one drive or partition to do your work in and purge it periodically.
[22:06] <nuxmuncher> fair play... what's best practice for periodic  backup?
[22:06] <nuxmuncher> ? please splain "purge it"
[22:07] <Nytram> I run a chron script using rsync
[22:08] <nuxmuncher> gots 1x ssd drive,  2x hd drive and one external hd drive (archive & backup)
[22:08] <nuxmuncher> gots virtualbox running a win10 instance on ssd drive (i like it snappy) with loads of ram..
[22:09] <nuxmuncher> and I have servers runing on one of the hd drives... so I 'work' on two drives
[22:09] <Nytram> Don't confuse the linux purge command with what I said. What I meant was to back up important stuff and simply format the partition and start again. If you need deeper deletion I can't help you. ;0
[22:13] <nuxmuncher> ... so chron scripts with rsync for work drives... and deal with any other issues "as they break"... is this normally how ubuntu linux users run?
[22:13] <nuxmuncher> nothing more proactive?
[22:14] <nuxmuncher> ...preventative?
[22:18] <Nytram> Don't judge ubuntu users here and now by the answers you get here and now. I for one am rather drunk, but feeling in a helpful mood. There are many answers to your question, but I for one am not able to help. I trust myself to know when a backup needs to happen and I trust myself not to do anything that requires data to be purged. Sorry.
[22:23] <nuxmuncher> sorry.. i didn't mean to imply any judgement whatsoever
[22:24] <nuxmuncher> sincere apologies if that's what it seemed like
[22:25] <nuxmuncher> just trying to determine 'best practice' for maintentance and backup
[22:34] <nuxmuncher> sincerely sorry if I caused anyone to feel judged or offended
[22:38] <nuxmuncher> I guess I'll search elsewhere
[22:38] <nuxmuncher> thanks anyway
[22:49] <omarramo> hey guys
[22:49] <omarramo> is there a way to disable mouse accel via ui? it only goes down to 0.1 x on my system
[22:52] <Nytram> Can't you click in the box and manually enter a number? (Sorry, I'm on Mint atm)
[22:53] <omarramo> yup but you cant press accept
[22:53] <Nytram> Oh! Let me look
[22:53] <omarramo> really weird, why would they not let you disable mouse accel
[22:55] <Nytram> Nope.. seems to be a KDE thing. 0.1 is the minimum
[23:00] <omarramo> Nytram: seems like the best you can get via ui is setting the threshhold to 0 which would still be polynomial acceleration
[23:03] <Nytram> Not that I'd ever need to go there, but yeah, seems you're right.