[00:00] <zmoylan-pi> happy new year folk o/
[00:00] <oracology> Happy New Year!
[00:00] <penguin42> HNY oracology
[05:17] <m0nkey_> Happy new whatever from Montreal
[07:15] <knightwise> morning
[10:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> new year sales aren't what they used to be.  all shopping centres open with key stores (supermarkets) open and everyone else closed...
[20:01] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: well, Amazon has GTX 1060s up for £16 (pricing error)
[20:01] <Azelphur> I bought 24 of them so far, lol
[20:02] <Azelphur> somehow I don't think I'm going to get them.
[20:02] <penguin42> haha
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> if only there drones were doing the delivery you'd have them already... :-P
[20:10] <diddledan> Azelphur: looks to not be found by search
[20:10] <Azelphur> https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-NVIDIA-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IBUFZSM/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2LNOP4UQZJ1
[20:10] <Azelphur> I've got 30 ordered
[20:10] <diddledan> "no longer available" :-(
[20:11] <diddledan> 30 is a bit greedy, no?
[20:11] <diddledan> :-p
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> it's cold weather forecast and those heating the home will make it toasty warm :-)
[20:13]  * penguin42 giggles - it's Scan as well
[20:14] <diddledan> Azelphur's gonna use them all for bitcoin mining? :-p
[20:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: trade em in at CEX for £4000 of CEX credit and go on a shopping spree?
[20:14] <diddledan> :-p
[20:14] <diddledan> sounds fun
[20:14] <penguin42> Azelphur: So the fun thing is that if I search for the ID in that link it doesn't sohw them, but if I pick it from your link it does
[20:15] <diddledan> they might think you nicked them if you do it all in one visit
[20:15] <Azelphur> true
[20:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: I've just ordered one - we'll see :-)
[20:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: On Scan's site they list them at 272.99
[20:17] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:18] <penguin42> (Not that I want an Nvidia graphics card, but for that price...)
[20:20] <penguin42> Azelphur: Hmm I wonder about scripting a comparison between the default price amazon shows you and the cheapest in the new list to see for major differences; or between Amazon's prices and a sellers own shop
[20:21] <Azelphur> haha would be fun
[20:21] <diddledan> won't let me order one
[20:24] <penguin42> now if we're lucky they'll dispatch my one little card and not give a second thought until they go WTH at Azelphur's order
[20:25] <penguin42> I've bought a lot from Scan over the years, they're almost local - I first used them in ~93 when they were pretty small
[20:29] <popey> penguin42: do you recall a bbc demo which was like the amiga bounce demo which had a red/white ball bouncing?
[20:29] <popey> used palette switching to do the animation
[20:29] <penguin42> popey: Yeh
[20:30] <popey> any idea what it was called or where one might find a copy?
[20:30] <popey> https://twitter.com/sil/status/815335929753858048
[20:30] <popey> stuart used an amiga screenshot
[20:32] <penguin42> popey: No, I remember it used just shifting the start of video memory to move it
[20:32] <popey> that too
[20:32] <popey> i think shifting memory to move the ball, and palette switching to do the ball rotation
[20:33] <penguin42> nod
[20:37] <popey> happy new year by the way penguin42 :)
[20:39] <penguin42> popey: And to you sir!
[20:40] <penguin42> popey: I think they did the same trick on the Commy 64
[20:40] <popey> cpc too
[20:40] <popey> that's where I learned it
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> when all you had were 8 bits you had to do a fair bit to make it dance and sing
[20:53] <diddledan> managed to get an order in for that supremely cheap gfx
[20:54]  * zmoylan-pi rings plod and reports cyber hackers trying to diddle poor honest retailer amazon
[21:11] <daftykins> cor my old man's been hiding all the old PC mag coverdiscs so he doesn't have to throw them out - also clinging on to his VHS collection - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xlofld1lzj0bjxv/AACL8S8dxyZOuCr-wW3LQFgva?dl=0
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> the betamax is probably stashed under his matress... :-P
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> when i was clearing out the last of my audio casettes in early 00s i did find 1-2 spectrum cover tapes that had managed to smuggle themselves into audio section
[21:18] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :D
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> some of the tapes did contain best of zx spectrum game music so... you know... very rare :-D
[21:19] <daftykins> i found my psion series 3c sync cable for PsiWin so then hoped we could find the main unit and pop it on ebay :D sadly my Dad put it in a very safe place
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> so it will only reappear 1 week after you get rid of the other piece...
[21:20] <daftykins> precisely!
[21:20] <daftykins> chaos storage theory
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> i had a keyboard disappear 3 months ago.  my place is really small. and i went through everything twice... till i stopped looking and sorted a replacement... and then of course it reappeared in a laptop sleeve
[21:22] <daftykins> :>
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> a packard bell keyboard sold with a pc with winme preinstalled.
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> so it's obviously precursed... :-P
[21:23] <daftykins> do you even own anything you can use a real size keyboard with? :D
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> i was holding this keyboard till one day i acquire the dremel skills to install a rasp pi zero, battery, usb hub and screen :-D
[21:25] <daftykins> ;)
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> and i use it at the mo with a lenovo laptop whose own keyboard decided it didn't want half the keys to work on.  my second lenovo for this to happen to...
[21:26] <daftykins> D:
[21:26] <daftykins> you must be falling asleep on them and dribbling into one side :)
[21:26] <daftykins> this a super budget end ideapad thing, or?
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> once is odd, two laptops is very weird.  weirder is that 2 other, older laptops i have are both fine so i'm pretty sure it's not me
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> both lenovos were got cheap in argos at end of catalog sale...
[21:27] <daftykins> ah har
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> a €400 laptop for <€250
[21:27] <daftykins> yip can't sniff at thata
[21:27] <daftykins> -a
[21:28] <daftykins> i've priced up a little revver to put in this case i just scored for free, well it's a full core 2 duo setup but i'd throw all that out :)
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> 4gb of ram and 1tb spinny thingie...
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> so my console text really flies by... :-)
[21:29] <daftykins> easily upgraded to be sane!
[21:29] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/susv7ns5s72lois/spec.PNG?dl=0
[21:29] <daftykins> look at that glorious tax free price
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> starting the daftykinism religion was best decision ever :-P
[21:45] <daftykins> absolutely
[21:45] <daftykins> i haven't gotten around to getting high as a kite and writing a book for my followers yet though
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> in time, in time.
[22:04] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm gonna start shipping stuff through you as a fence so I get taxfreeebies :-p
[22:05] <daftykins> ;) they closed that long ago, has to be muled over to sneak it now
[22:05] <diddledan> oh, awesome, thanks for offering!
[22:05] <daftykins> ;]
[22:06] <daftykins> my mule credentials are quite long
[22:06] <daftykins> also fitting that Guerns are nicknamed 'donkeys'
[22:06] <diddledan> said the bishop to the actress
[22:08] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gears-War-Standard-Windows-Download/dp/B01GSJ2FFO/ wow that's £41 on the MS Store
[22:25] <daftykins> hrmmm how much did The Beano and The Dandy cost back in the 90s?
[22:25] <daftykins> i thought i'd make a convo of it rather than try to look it up online :)
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> i used to get 2000ad until around 1990 and iirc it was 28p uk
[22:27] <daftykins> cor :D
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> of course in ireland it was 35p irish iirc
[22:32] <zmoylan-pi> ::checks online:: 40p in late 1989... not to far off from memory... http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=651&Comic=2000ad
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> you can check by prog number here... http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=covers&page=progs&FirstProg=651&LastProg=700&MaxProg=1997
[22:34] <daftykins> i think i've seen a comic store over here now, although i don't know if it's survived... the two i mentioned were the closest i ever got in my youth
[22:35] <daftykins> those multi-part "build-a-something" ones suffered big time over here 'cause you'd get the first then nobody would have any further, not sure if it suffered a similar fate up on the mainland / Ireland :D
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> my father worked as a porter in a hospital.  i think i got all the comics that were been discarded... :-) but i did buy 2000ad as it was great sci fi
[22:36] <daftykins> ah har! a good source
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> multipart build it up collectibles did very well here... my father was a fan of a few of them and built them up and had them in their proper bound covers
[22:37] <daftykins> ooh very nice
[22:38] <daftykins> i don't really get how my brother managed to mess those up since we have newsagents covering certain areas
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> also for empty bottles which back in 80s had a deposit that was worth 10p each.  i once helped him fill a tiny datsun to drive slowly to bottle bank and redeem over 88quid...
[22:38] <daftykins> ah just like the US system with cans in some states
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> they should bring it back to stop the dumping of plastic waste in environment
[22:46] <daftykins> before i was allowed out earlier at my folks, i was asked to look through a drawer of old AC adapters to sort through important stuff :D
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> how many old nokia adapters did they have? i might need one :-D
[22:48] <daftykins> 0! but there were two sony ericsson ones
[22:48] <daftykins> nokias must be hiding elsewhere ;)
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> they've been promoted to calculators and socks hiding place
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> but still below bic pen hidey hole
[22:52] <daftykins> single colour? :)
[23:14] <penguin42> popey: Excellent!