| klarix | hello | 00:15 |
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| user|12401 | how to install on virtual box? | 00:52 |
| user|36858 | I can't install Kubuntu. I have checked the install media with fsck.ext4 and verified the ISO | 05:02 |
| valorie | !md5 | 05:03 |
| ubottu | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 05:03 |
| user|36858 | X/KDE won't start and I get errors that say something like kmsserver has crashed | 05:03 |
| valorie | user|36858: the above is the way to check | 05:03 |
| user|36858 | I verified the MD5 | 05:03 |
| valorie | which version are you trying to install? | 05:03 |
| user|36858 | Kubuntu 16.10 | 05:04 |
| user|36858 | 64bit | 05:04 |
| valorie | hmmm | 05:04 |
| user|36858 | I'm going out on a limb and gonna say it has something to do with my ATI radeon card | 05:04 |
| valorie | I've installed that quite a few times | 05:04 |
| valorie | if you suspect that, you might try nomodeset | 05:04 |
| valorie | !nomodeset | 05:04 |
| ubottu | A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter | 05:04 |
| valorie | that doesn't sound like what you are reporting, however | 05:05 |
| valorie | !info kmsserver | 05:05 |
| ubottu | Package kmsserver does not exist in yakkety | 05:05 |
| valorie | so not a package, but a process | 05:06 |
| user|36858 | nomodeset is a boot parameter | 05:06 |
| valorie | !info ksmserver | 05:06 |
| ubottu | Package ksmserver does not exist in yakkety | 05:06 |
| user|36858 | ? | 05:06 |
| valorie | I've seen a similar error before, but another boot always worked | 05:07 |
| valorie | did the live session work for you? | 05:07 |
| user|36858 | I can't even get to the live session | 05:07 |
| valorie | hmmm | 05:07 |
| sintre | try the live media you used | 05:07 |
| sintre | again | 05:08 |
| user|36858 | I'm trying a different USB drive | 05:08 |
| user|36858 | does UEFI/Secure boot have anything to do with it? | 05:08 |
| sintre | what program and what os are you using to create this install from? | 05:09 |
| sintre | what did you install to | 05:09 |
| sintre | not the media but the hdd | 05:09 |
| user|36858 | Im using Linux Mint's default tool to write the image | 05:09 |
| sintre | new or older | 05:09 |
| user|36858 | LM 18 Sarah | 05:09 |
| user|36858 | I installed to a USB2.0 flash drive with an ext4 FS on it | 05:10 |
| user|36858 | I ran fsck.ext4 to check the media and no errors were reported | 05:10 |
| sintre | ok if you have a system with uefi bios you need to had target fdrive to be using a gtp partition table | 05:10 |
| sintre | if older or mimicked you need to use ms/dos partition table | 05:10 |
| user|36858 | I turned off SecureBoot/UEFI in the bios | 05:11 |
| sintre | ok then if you want legacy , then you need to install in megacy and the hdd/ssd needs to be ms/dohg | 05:11 |
| sintre | ms/dos sey | 05:11 |
| sintre | so you need to use a live cd/usb | 05:12 |
| sintre | then use kde partition manager | 05:12 |
| user|36858 | so ext4 is wrong for the fdrive? | 05:12 |
| sintre | and change it to either or that you want | 05:12 |
| sintre | ext is fine | 05:12 |
| sintre | this is diffferent | 05:12 |
| sintre | this is the entire file table | 05:13 |
| sintre | not the partiton type | 05:13 |
| sintre | so first off choose if you want legacy oe efi | 05:14 |
| sintre | or efi | 05:14 |
| user|36858 | what do you suggest? | 05:14 |
| sintre | then you create the correct partition table for that firmware | 05:14 |
| sintre | i've done both on same system | 05:14 |
| user|36858 | In the 'DISK' program it says the partition is EFI | 05:14 |
| sintre | a budget notebook | 05:14 |
| sintre | ok then | 05:14 |
| sintre | fdisk -l ? | 05:15 |
| user|36858 | EFI(FAT-12/16/32) | 05:15 |
| user|36858 | ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) | 05:15 |
| sintre | you need a ext 4 for kubuntu | 05:15 |
| sintre | or any linux for optimal but i guess it should run on ffat 32 | 05:16 |
| user|36858 | OK I think I have all that setup correctly | 05:16 |
| sintre | how you partition is up to you | 05:16 |
| sintre | ok so now we need to turn efi back on in bios | 05:17 |
| sintre | i would keep secure boot on | 05:17 |
| sintre | i mean off | 05:17 |
| sintre | so we can go thru this step by step | 05:17 |
| user|36858 | ok... I turned on SB and am using "Windows UEFI mode" | 05:17 |
| sintre | i don' t know you pc | 05:17 |
| sintre | are you duel installing on same drive? | 05:18 |
| sintre | aka duel boot | 05:18 |
| user|36858 | no. single boot Kubuntu | 05:18 |
| sintre | then where is the windows from? | 05:18 |
| user|36858 | It's just what the option is called in the BIOS | 05:18 |
| sintre | ok then let it be if you wanr efi | 05:18 |
| sintre | i assume you have two pc's and your talking to one connected | 05:19 |
| sintre | sry just getting infp | 05:19 |
| sintre | o | 05:19 |
| user|36858 | yea... im chatting on my laptop and im trying to setup Kubuntu on the desktop | 05:19 |
| sintre | k bios good to go get into live cd encirment again | 05:20 |
| sintre | envirmoment | 05:20 |
| sintre | keyboard works user has bad spelling habbits sry :) | 05:20 |
| sintre | but before new isntall make sure secure boot is turned off | 05:20 |
| sintre | and before next install attempt | 05:21 |
| sintre | need to delete all partitions one the drivr to be sure | 05:21 |
| user|36858 | hahhahaha | 05:21 |
| user|36858 | ok, just booted from usb | 05:22 |
| sintre | when in there tell me | 05:22 |
| user|36858 | and im getting a kernel panic | 05:22 |
| sintre | what program do you make this live usb with | 05:22 |
| user|36858 | USB image writer | 05:23 |
| user|36858 | from Linux Mint 18 default install | 05:23 |
| sintre | can you download unetbootin | 05:23 |
| user|36858 | yea | 05:23 |
| sintre | pls try that | 05:23 |
| sintre | it auto uses a efi bootloader | 05:24 |
| sintre | so sisne firmare is set to it that should work | 05:24 |
| sintre | before installing wipe the usb stick , just ahabbit i have :) | 05:25 |
| user|36858 | should I use mkfs.ext4? | 05:26 |
| sintre | usb instlaller? | 05:26 |
| sintre | na fat 32 if fine when you write | 05:26 |
| user|36858 | ok | 05:26 |
| sintre | the new iso to usb | 05:26 |
| user|36858 | OK just wiped the drive | 05:29 |
| user|36858 | now im going to install via unetbootin | 05:29 |
| sintre | ok now hold a sec | 05:29 |
| sintre | make sure you create new partition table | 05:30 |
| user|36858 | msdos partition table? | 05:31 |
| sintre | no | 05:32 |
| sintre | other one gtp or gpt | 05:32 |
| sintre | goofy acronyms irritating me tonight :) | 05:32 |
| [Relic] | eat more alphabet soup | 05:33 |
| user|36858 | done... I used gparted to create gpt partition table and allocated a new fat32 fs | 05:33 |
| sintre | then afterwards go ahead and use all unused allot all space as a ext4 partition | 05:33 |
| sintre | don't start install till you do that either just for safe reaosning | 05:33 |
| user|36858 | done | 05:34 |
| sintre | [relic] hey reminds me i have some chef boi r d's ravioli cans in panty making me hungry | 05:34 |
| sintre | ok start install | 05:34 |
| sintre | it will probally give you a msg saying er other devices might not work , but continue | 05:34 |
| sintre | in uefi mode | 05:34 |
| user|36858 | it's installing | 05:36 |
| valorie | nice! | 05:36 |
| valorie | how strange that the program used to burn the ISO onto the drive would make a difference | 05:36 |
| [Relic] | sintre, strange place to store ravioli | 05:37 |
| sintre | it comes in a can what am i gonna do put it in the freezer | 05:37 |
| sintre | it says good till 20123 | 05:37 |
| sintre | so figure its safe :) | 05:37 |
| [Relic] | kinda thinking maybe on a shelf would be a nice place to store it | 05:38 |
| sintre | my rent is cheap got make do lol | 05:38 |
| [Relic] | hope it ain't in the ones you are wearing :) | 05:39 |
| sintre | oh crap i've drank to much i didn't see my own typo lol | 05:39 |
| * sintre has pie on face | 05:39 | |
| user|36858 | ok...finished installing.....booting desktop in 3..2..1.... | 05:39 |
| sintre | gj user | 05:40 |
| sintre | now we get to upgrading | 05:40 |
| sintre | lol now it logged i store my ravioli in my panty | 05:41 |
| user|36858 | weird...when I boot from the USB it says: Missing operating system | 05:42 |
| sintre | you boot from hdd now | 05:42 |
| user|36858 | i dont have an os installed on the HDD/SDD | 05:43 |
| sintre | om what? | 05:43 |
| user|36858 | this is a fresh install of Kubuntu | 05:44 |
| user|36858 | from USB drive | 05:44 |
| user|36858 | sorry. i though that was clear | 05:44 |
| sintre | ok well now you are , so you want a usb stick install of ubuntu and not a real installtion to a internal hdd? | 05:44 |
| user|36858 | i want to install to the HDD, but I cant even boot into the live session from usb | 05:45 |
| sintre | um didn't you just do that? | 05:45 |
| user|36858 | no...i installed the live cd to the usb to boot from | 05:46 |
| sintre | yes and you said it was installing | 05:46 |
| sintre | or were you refering to the program unetbooting putting it on the stick | 05:46 |
| user|36858 | THe live session installed to the stick with unetbootin | 05:46 |
| sintre | yes | 05:47 |
| sintre | no the installion iso , creates the live session once booted from it | 05:47 |
| user|36858 | yea, but when i try to boot from the stick. it says os missing | 05:48 |
| sintre | ok not sure where this chain broke down but all i can think is to back track | 05:49 |
| sintre | unetbooting , this linux or windows that you used to make the stick | 05:49 |
| [Relic] | ufei and tried to boot not in ufei(sp?) | 05:49 |
| sintre | also check bios and see if its in uefi mode | 05:50 |
| user|36858 | My laptop is linux | 05:50 |
| user|36858 | i used linux to make the stick | 05:51 |
| sintre | linux very broad term | 05:51 |
| sintre | what distro is your laptop | 05:51 |
| user|36858 | LM18 | 05:51 |
| sintre | check bios on desktop | 05:52 |
| user|36858 | bios is in UEFI mode | 05:52 |
| sintre | what is you one time boot menu | 05:52 |
| sintre | hot key | 05:52 |
| user|36858 | del or F2 | 05:52 |
| sintre | on desktop | 05:53 |
| sintre | go find it | 05:53 |
| user|36858 | then I select my USB drive | 05:53 |
| sintre | see if it reconise the stick | 05:53 |
| user|36858 | yes the bios recognizes the stick | 05:53 |
| sintre | and one you select it it says can't see os | 05:54 |
| sintre | meaning something is wrong with the install to the stick | 05:54 |
| sintre | i hope for your sake that is | 05:55 |
| user|36858 | i hope so too | 05:55 |
| sintre | so take stick back to lappy , | 05:55 |
| user|36858 | done | 05:56 |
| sintre | this time go ahead and format the thing to gtp | 05:56 |
| user|36858 | Im using a different stick | 05:56 |
| user|36858 | i formatted to gpt and using ext4 | 05:56 |
| user|36858 | on the stick | 05:56 |
| sintre | tthen fat32 again | 05:56 |
| user|36858 | ok | 05:58 |
| user|36858 | done | 05:58 |
| sintre | now use unetbooting with iso again | 05:59 |
| sintre | also what iso are you using newest or lts | 05:59 |
| user|36858 | newest | 06:01 |
| user|36858 | 16.10 | 06:01 |
| sintre | k np either way , just as much info the better | 06:02 |
| sintre | if they is round doesn't work :) | 06:02 |
| sintre | this | 06:02 |
| user|36858 | so does unetbootin unzip the iso to the usb drive? | 06:05 |
| user|36858 | and make it bootable? | 06:05 |
| sintre | is it in a zip file? | 06:05 |
| sintre | no | 06:05 |
| user|36858 | uncompress? | 06:05 |
| user|36858 | no its an iso | 06:05 |
| sintre | de compress it so the iso can be used | 06:05 |
| sintre | yes lol | 06:05 |
| sintre | it will use contents of the iso | 06:06 |
| sintre | thats its job | 06:06 |
| user|36858 | is their a way to verify the iso was written to the stick correctly? | 06:07 |
| user|36858 | when i run fdisk -l I get: Disklabel type: gpt | 06:07 |
| sintre | in unnetbootin not that i'm i'm aware of | 06:07 |
| sintre | but can check iso itself | 06:08 |
| user|36858 | when I open the usb drive, I have a boot folder and efi folder | 06:08 |
| sintre | good | 06:08 |
| sintre | go to desktop with stick | 06:08 |
| user|36858 | casper....etc | 06:08 |
| sintre | see if it boots | 06:08 |
| user|36858 | Missing operating system? | 06:09 |
| user|36858 | what am i doing wrong | 06:10 |
| sintre | again? | 06:10 |
| user|36858 | yea | 06:10 |
| sintre | well honestly i don't know | 06:10 |
| sintre | i've had this problem myself a couple months and , i went thru everystep i missed myself | 06:10 |
| sintre | newer budget notebook to replace a fried laptop | 06:11 |
| sintre | reinstalled like 5 times , [ having a ssd] helps | 06:11 |
| sintre | once i figured out the new firmware compatability issues | 06:12 |
| sintre | so it aint over yet | 06:12 |
| sintre | do you have a blank dvd you wouldn't mind using? | 06:12 |
| sintre | we can elimate the prograsm middle man | 06:12 |
| user|36858 | my xps doesn't have a dvd drive :( | 06:12 |
| sintre | ok plan b out then | 06:13 |
| user|36858 | does the live cd load graphics drivers? | 06:14 |
| sintre | yes it should load | 06:14 |
| user|36858 | im going to try nomodeset | 06:14 |
| sintre | ok this might sound a bit crazy | 06:14 |
| valorie | dd always works imo | 06:14 |
| sintre | but can you turn your current laptop off | 06:14 |
| valorie | you have to be very sure to do it correctly | 06:14 |
| valorie | !dd | 06:14 |
| sintre | and try to boot from the stick | 06:15 |
| valorie | oh pfff | 06:15 |
| user|36858 | welcome back valorie :) | 06:15 |
| valorie | !info dd | 06:15 |
| ubottu | Package dd does not exist in yakkety | 06:15 |
| valorie | thanks | 06:15 |
| valorie | oh my gosh it does too | 06:15 |
| user|36858 | so Linux Mints tool creates a bootable stick | 06:16 |
| sintre | yes | 06:16 |
| user|36858 | not sure why unetbootin doesnt | 06:16 |
| sintre | try that , but check to see if its efi | 06:17 |
| valorie | !info fileutils | 06:17 |
| ubottu | Package fileutils does not exist in yakkety | 06:17 |
| user|36858 | im in the boot menu. how do i set nomodeset | 06:17 |
| valorie | !nomodeset | 06:17 |
| ubottu | A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter | 06:17 |
| valorie | also I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging | 06:18 |
| user|36858 | ok, reading the post. BRB | 06:19 |
| sintre | his error msg seems to simply say no os found , not sure if its gfx or the creation of the live usb | 06:19 |
| valorie | sounds like the ISO is not being correctly written for one reason or another | 06:20 |
| valorie | all those apps used to be so easy | 06:20 |
| valorie | now they fail so often | 06:21 |
| sintre | i don't use his mint distro | 06:21 |
| sintre | so maybe he can try his integrated tool | 06:21 |
| valorie | he did, and that failed | 06:22 |
| valorie | and it seems so did unetbootin | 06:22 |
| sintre | :( | 06:22 |
| valorie | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 06:22 |
| sintre | he doesn't have a dvd either | 06:22 |
| valorie | the kubuntu ISO burner used to fail as well, but it's been working for me without fail for the past year | 06:22 |
| valorie | if he doesn't have kubuntu though, he can't use that | 06:23 |
| sintre | its work the start up disk creator but in 16.04 atleast still has goodfy bug at start up | 06:23 |
| sintre | gotta trick it to let you use it | 06:23 |
| user|36858 | so i hit F6 and selcted nomodeset | 06:23 |
| user|36858 | and I can finally boot into kubuntu | 06:23 |
| user|36858 | :):):):):) | 06:23 |
| user|36858 | :) | 06:24 |
| sintre | ok thank god | 06:24 |
| valorie | very cool! | 06:24 |
| sintre | now lets get you online and updated | 06:24 |
| user|36858 | kwin is unstable | 06:24 |
| user|36858 | kwin closed unexpectedly | 06:24 |
| sintre | just keep going | 06:24 |
| sintre | hardwired or wifi? | 06:25 |
| user|36858 | hardwired | 06:25 |
| sintre | online? | 06:25 |
| user|36858 | i cant tell | 06:25 |
| user|36858 | kwin closed | 06:25 |
| user|36858 | multiple dialogs | 06:25 |
| user|36858 | system froze | 06:26 |
| sintre | ok this is turning into a war of sorts :) | 06:26 |
| user|36858 | I think it's the graphics | 06:27 |
| sintre | i had some stability issues myself with 16.10 | 06:27 |
| sintre | but others none to be reported | 06:27 |
| user|36858 | Im thinking about pulling the amd gpu and letting it use intel grpaphics | 06:28 |
| sintre | well might be a good start | 06:28 |
| sintre | then we can trouble shoot gfx later ewith other card | 06:28 |
| sintre | if its a card and all it costs if a few minutes | 06:29 |
| valorie | user|36858: what version of Kubuntu are you using? | 06:30 |
| user|36858 | on the usb drive I have 16.10 iso image installed | 06:31 |
| user|36858 | on my laptop I have Linux Mint 18 cinnamon installed | 06:31 |
| valorie | and kwin is unstable for you on both? | 06:31 |
| valorie | btw we do not do Mint support here | 06:32 |
| user|36858 | only on the live cd on the desktop | 06:32 |
| valorie | ok | 06:32 |
| sintre | his laptop is mint , he's installing to a second pc kubuntu or trying | 06:32 |
| user|36858 | im not having issues with my laptop. just the live cd and the desktop | 06:32 |
| user|36858 | what sintre said | 06:32 |
| valorie | sorry, I lost the thread of the conversation | 06:32 |
| * valorie butts out | 06:32 | |
| user|36858 | im pulling the gpu out | 06:34 |
| user|36858 | brb | 06:34 |
| sintre | k | 06:34 |
| user|36858 | kernel panic :( | 06:40 |
| user|36858 | with intel graphics | 06:40 |
| user|36858 | :( | 06:40 |
| sintre | ok in bios you did turn secure boot off correct? | 06:40 |
| sintre | and fast boot or ready boot | 06:40 |
| user|36858 | ummmmm | 06:40 |
| user|36858 | lemme check | 06:41 |
| user|36858 | Ill get back to you in a sec | 06:41 |
| user|36858 | secure boot off | 06:48 |
| user|36858 | and fast boot disabled | 06:48 |
| sintre | ok that new changes or were the settings like that | 06:49 |
| sintre | i assume the former | 06:49 |
| user|36858 | fastboot was already off | 06:49 |
| sintre | secure? | 06:49 |
| user|36858 | im still getting a kernel panic | 06:49 |
| user|36858 | secure boot i just turned offf | 06:50 |
| sintre | ok , does your desktop have the ability to burn a dvd | 06:50 |
| user|36858 | yea | 06:50 |
| user|36858 | but im pretty sure i dont have any dvds | 06:50 |
| user|36858 | lets debug a kernel panic | 06:51 |
| sintre | ok well that would be my plan E at this point | 06:51 |
| user|36858 | that would be fun ;) | 06:51 |
| sintre | is to try a different live cd reg ubuntu or something | 06:51 |
| user|36858 | ok. Ill give that a go tomorroq | 06:51 |
| sintre | or mint , then burn to a dvd a iso raw | 06:51 |
| user|36858 | I appreciate all your help sintre | 06:51 |
| sintre | instead of relying on a middle man program | 06:51 |
| sintre | no i want this resolved as much as you do | 06:52 |
| user|36858 | I do too | 06:52 |
| sintre | at this point i think we've come at it from every angle possible | 06:52 |
| hateball | have you tried with nomodeset | 06:52 |
| user|36858 | the desktop is my main machine | 06:52 |
| user|36858 | not yet | 06:52 |
| sintre | alot of the iso- usb programs fail on us alot like valorie mentioned ealier | 06:52 |
| sintre | i remembered upgrading my ssd firmare and no program i could get toboot | 06:53 |
| hateball | you only need dd anyhow, there's no need for special programs to make your liveboot | 06:53 |
| sintre | i dug out an old box and found some blank cdz | 06:53 |
| sintre | and whoot it booted and updated my drive | 06:53 |
| valorie | dd is slow, but it works | 06:54 |
| hateball | it's only slow if you dont pass proper parameters to it :p | 06:54 |
| hateball | as the defaults are terrible in 2017 | 06:54 |
| valorie | just be careful about getting source and destination correct | 06:54 |
| hateball | "sudo dd bs=8M status=progress if=kubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb" | 06:54 |
| user|36858 | so i tried nomodeset withe intel graphics and im still getting a kernel panic | 06:56 |
| sintre | ok plan k | 06:56 |
| sintre | redownload a lts version of kubuntu | 06:57 |
| viewer|84669 | Hello Kubuntu users, could you please help me with simple question? I'm going to install a new release of Kubuntu, but I have a dilemma. | 06:57 |
| sintre | 16.04 , we can upgrade it later | 06:57 |
| sintre | same drill lol | 06:57 |
| user|36858 | ok... | 06:57 |
| user|36858 | downloading torrent | 06:58 |
| viewer|84669 | If I install 16.10 (current non-LTS) will it be possible to upgrade to LTS version in the future? | 06:58 |
| valorie | certainly | 06:58 |
| hateball | viewer|84669: yes, 18.04. but you will need to keep upgrading every 6-9 months to not go EOL until that | 06:58 |
| valorie | however the next LTS is not for over a year | 06:59 |
| valorie | 16.04, then 18.04 | 06:59 |
| valorie | our next release is 17.04, in April | 06:59 |
| * valorie is already running that | 06:59 | |
| viewer|84669 | ok, so until July I need to keep upgrading it (as 9 months of support from release date) and when next LTS release is avaliable I can simply "jump" to it? right? | 07:00 |
| sintre | view> many upgrade options | 07:01 |
| sintre | if you want | 07:01 |
| sintre | or none and just lil bug fixes if you choose | 07:01 |
| hateball | viewer|84669: 18.04 will be the same type of update as the ones before it, it just gives you the option of sitting still there for 2 years | 07:01 |
| hateball | that said, you can do !eolupgrade but it's not really a nice option if you can instead keep your machine updated and secure instead | 07:02 |
| hateball | bonus points for extra instead, me | 07:02 |
| viewer|84669 | so I can upgrade to 18.04 but not to 17.04? do I understand it correctly? | 07:02 |
| hateball | viewer|84669: from 16.04 you can jump straight to 18.04 when it is out | 07:03 |
| hateball | viewer|84669: from 16.04 or 16.10 you can jump to the next release, so 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04 | 07:03 |
| valorie | well, a month or so after release | 07:03 |
| valorie | the first bugfix | 07:04 |
| hateball | Well yeah, first point-release | 07:04 |
| viewer|84669 | great so also 17.04 which will be sooner | 07:04 |
| hateball | for LTS-upgrades that is | 07:04 |
| viewer|84669 | thank you for explanation | 07:04 |
| hateball | For a desktop, I personally wouldnt use LTS. Just ends up having to use PPAs and such to keep up at the end of the cycle | 07:04 |
| hateball | But I guess it all depends what and how you use your machine | 07:05 |
| viewer|84669 | yes, this is desktop/laptop | 07:05 |
| viewer|84669 | for software developement, so I will go for the latest one then | 07:05 |
| [Relic] | wonder if changing the dm would get me my two independent screens, still can't figure out what is failing | 07:06 |
| viewer|84669 | thank you, time to say good bye to Mint :) | 07:06 |
| user|36858 | writing 16.04 to the usb | 07:06 |
| sintre | [Relic] kde developers not concerned with duel monitors support atm is what is | 07:06 |
| sintre | ok had to be a lil smart mouth there but i think its try | 07:07 |
| hateball | [Relic]: which version are you using? | 07:07 |
| [Relic] | 16.10 with backports | 07:07 |
| hateball | sintre: and that's quite untrue, #plasma is doing multimonitor fixing daily | 07:07 |
| hateball | [Relic]: hmm, has 5.8.4 landed in 16.10 backports yet? | 07:07 |
| hateball | it's in 16.04 backports anyhows, multimonitor works quite well for me now | 07:08 |
| sintre | user36> tell me when done | 07:08 |
| [Relic] | says plasma 5.8.4, frameworks 5.28, qt 5.6.1 kernel 4.8.0-32-generic | 07:08 |
| valorie | sintre: that's not true | 07:09 |
| valorie | that capability comes from Qt | 07:09 |
| hateball | [Relic]: cant be much more up to date then atm. what exactly is your issue? | 07:09 |
| valorie | and we've not been able to get up-to-date Qt because of Ubuntu's own process | 07:09 |
| valorie | especially their phone support | 07:09 |
| [Relic] | my exact issue is getting two screens that work independently as if they were both kde sessions | 07:10 |
| valorie | however, we should be able to upgrade soon | 07:10 |
| valorie | [Relic]: not sure about that | 07:10 |
| valorie | you'll have to check with the Qt devels about that | 07:10 |
| sintre | my issue is i can't get two screens to run infified aka clone mode with correct reolsutions in the monitors | 07:10 |
| [Relic] | up to 14.10 I would simply run nvidia settings and set 2 xscreens and reboot with the new xorg | 07:10 |
| valorie | *maybe* in #kde | 07:10 |
| sintre | so make duel screens useless | 07:10 |
| valorie | so you've said | 07:10 |
| [Relic] | now if I use nvidia settings I technically get 2 screens but, any right click on the second pops up a box on the first | 07:11 |
| hateball | [Relic]: so you dont want two monitors in the same session, you want 1 session on each? | 07:12 |
| hateball | or am I not reading this correct | 07:12 |
| [Relic] | I think so. Basically up to 14.10 it was that each monitor had its own plasma/taskbar/etc though I accessed both through the same keyboard/mouse each had a set of virtual desktops so I could leave say IRC open on one screen and flip through any of the virtual desktops on the second screen | 07:14 |
| hateball | umm... so you *do* want to use both monitors in the same session? | 07:15 |
| hateball | just have the panels act independently? | 07:16 |
| [Relic] | think that is pretty much what it is | 07:16 |
| hateball | [Relic]: can you check in kscreen that monitors are alongside each other and not on top (clone)? | 07:17 |
| [Relic] | I don't want 2 screens = one big monitor; one screen one monitor | 07:17 |
| user|36858 | sintre | 07:17 |
| sintre | user | 07:17 |
| user|36858 | done and booting into the live session | 07:17 |
| sintre | it worked on desktop? | 07:17 |
| hateball | [Relic]: and then you can rightclick your panel/activity plasmoid and go into settings. tell it to only show stuff from Current Screen | 07:18 |
| [Relic] | if I try tampering with xorg settings, xrandr/kscreen can't find the 2nd monitor at all | 07:18 |
| user|36858 | im getting kded5 closed | 07:18 |
| sintre | user36> so did it even boot into kubntu | 07:19 |
| user|36858 | it booted into kubuntu for a second | 07:19 |
| [Relic] | hateball, I'd have to put in the xorg info again and restart; to check that but since I already know when I do that randr/kscreen only finds one monitor, there is no second monitor to move around in kscreen | 07:20 |
| sintre | ok plan L user > use native mint iso maker | 07:21 |
| hateball | [Relic]: why would you need to touch xorg.conf? should work fine unless you need special options | 07:21 |
| sintre | for the usb stick and stich your boot config back to legacy | 07:21 |
| hateball | [Relic]: that is, using nvidia-settings just for your user | 07:21 |
| hateball | [Relic]: could be that only one screen works in sddm unless it's defined globally but iirc should work fine once you log in to your session and the nvidiarc gets read | 07:22 |
| hateball | I don't have a multimonitor nvidia-setup handy currently | 07:22 |
| [Relic] | two make 2 xscreens with nvidia-settings you need to save the info, doesn't like to apply all the changes necessary if you try just apply | 07:23 |
| sintre | user|36858 > Are you till around? | 07:33 |
| [Relic] | hateball, was trying to figure out if switching to lightDM might let me find out if it is just sddm weirdness | 07:38 |
| hateball | [Relic]: well sddm has nothing to do with things once you're in Plasma | 07:41 |
| hateball | panels etc | 07:41 |
| [Relic] | not sure what to look at to see if I can find a reason | 07:42 |
| [Relic] | night all, will try again tomorrow to figure this out | 07:53 |
| sintre | Well sleep time for me , user|36858 if you come back around best bet is to grab some blank dvds and burn an iso imo .have a good night , night to |Relic| as well | 07:54 |
| sintre | been a long one happy new year to all one last time :) | 07:54 |
| [Relic] | and put that ravioli somewhere else :) | 07:54 |
| sintre | lol i'll never live down that typo , i'll just have to beat it hehe | 07:55 |
| sudhirkhanger | On a new 16.04 system I notice that main, universe, restricted, and multiverse are all enabled by default. Also important security, recommended, and unsupported updates are also enabled by default. Are those correct defaults? | 08:03 |
| valorie | sudhirkhanger: yes | 08:05 |
| * valorie goes to bed as wll | 08:05 | |
| valorie | well | 08:06 |
| sudhirkhanger | :) thanks. | 08:09 |
| sudhirkhanger | I couldn't find the difference between multiverse/restricted and Canonical partners. | 08:09 |
| sudhirkhanger | They sound pretty much about the same. | 08:09 |
| hay207 | Hi, can i reset my password with only my email ? , can't remember my username | 11:42 |
| hateball | hay207: ... for what? | 11:43 |
| hay207 | on kde identity | 11:43 |
| hateball | hay207: probably better off asking in #kde | 11:43 |
| hay207 | Ok | 11:43 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:26 |
| nathan | hello | 14:28 |
| yotux | Looking for software to manage podcast anyone have some feedback | 14:39 |
| bangolio | hi, I'm trying to install kubuntu and the installer keeps crashing at the same point, looked it up, looks like a known bug with not much information, I'm pretty sure I am missing something, it can't be that I just can't install, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1650767 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1650767 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu zesty 17.0.4.1 installation fails (2016-12-16 image)" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:19 |
| genii | Use a supported Kubuntu and not the development version | 16:20 |
| bangolio | 16.10 is not supported? | 16:22 |
| acheronuk | the bug you linked to is for the 17.04 daily development iso | 16:23 |
| bangolio | sorry, wrong bug then, I am on 16.10, it looks very similar (error msg and such) | 16:25 |
| bangolio | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1647363 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1647363 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu installer crashes: TypeError StandardButton too many arguments" [Undecided,New] | 16:26 |
| bangolio | can anyone please help me? | 16:34 |
| [Relic] | install 16.04 and upgrade | 16:35 |
| [Relic] | for some reason 16.10 kept crapping out during install so that is what I did | 16:35 |
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| [Relic] | and if you go 16.04 to 16.10 route then you might need to get the dist upgrade package when ready to do that | 16:40 |
| bangolio | I'm just baffled, I've installed 16.10 multiple times in the last 2-3 months on this same hardware with the same USB stick & ISO file | 16:41 |
| bangolio | I fear 16.04 might not work either | 16:42 |
| bangolio | since the problem is probably on my end | 16:42 |
| BluesKaj | bangolio, , make sure you have the latest 16.10 iso, some of the earlier images would crash due to bug in ubiquity, the latest iso worked fine on my pc | 16:42 |
| sintre | was in here 3 hours last night with another install , that was a head scratcher , seems our new years treat here | 16:43 |
| bangolio | I do, downloaded today, checked md5 and it matched the one I was using | 16:47 |
| bangolio | I've put it on the USB again, boots fine to live, | 16:47 |
| bangolio | connects to wifi and after I choose whether to install packages from repo + 3rd party stuff it crashes | 16:48 |
| sintre | i had a similar problem with 16.10 iso on my new budget notebook | 16:48 |
| sintre | plsma crashes mostly but installer wouldn't make it thru till the end without crashing half the time | 16:49 |
| sintre | wasn't at that specific place though | 16:49 |
| sintre | 16.04 worked for me | 16:49 |
| BluesKaj | bangolio, then don't DL the 3rd party apps, wait til after the install | 16:50 |
| bangolio | tried that | 16:50 |
| BluesKaj | make sure your wifi connection isn't glitchy as well | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | I usually, but not always, connect via ethernet on the laptop to install an OS, altho my wifi here is quite stable | 17:03 |
| bangolio | I tried with and without connecting to wifi | 17:04 |
| sintre | i'd not download updates , only third party stuff | 17:04 |
| BluesKaj | bangolio, what about your target partition , is it set up correctly? I have to ask | 17:05 |
| bangolio | I've tried every possible combination of options | 17:05 |
| bangolio | including skipping any extra packages (3rd party or not) | 17:05 |
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| user|36858 | is their a non graphical installer for kubuntu | 19:14 |
| sintre | user | 19:15 |
| sintre | same from last night? | 19:15 |
| user|36858 | Hi sintre | 19:15 |
| user|36858 | yup | 19:15 |
| sintre | i owe you an apology ten fold | 19:15 |
| user|36858 | no worries. | 19:15 |
| sintre | i know where i screwed up and super sry wanna fix it | 19:15 |
| user|36858 | ...? | 19:15 |
| sintre | the insaller live from unetbootin needs msdos partition | 19:15 |
| sintre | for the usb stick | 19:16 |
| sintre | i just tested it this morning | 19:16 |
| sintre | then we fix target hdd in system sry about that | 19:16 |
| sintre | i didn't think it would be a differece | 19:16 |
| user|36858 | I already tried the msdos partition table | 19:16 |
| sintre | i recreated same problem with me uefi system | 19:16 |
| user|36858 | i read the uefi blog on ubuntu forums. | 19:17 |
| sintre | so you up and running | 19:17 |
| sintre | ? | 19:17 |
| user|36858 | i disabled fastboot, and put bios mode in legacy | 19:17 |
| user|36858 | no...installer is still crashing | 19:17 |
| user|36858 | with segfaults in kwin | 19:17 |
| sintre | ok back to efi turn thos bios settings back on | 19:17 |
| sintre | , except for secure for now | 19:17 |
| sintre | make sure install media usb is msdos partition and use netbootin | 19:18 |
| user|36858 | I use gparted to set the prtition table | 19:18 |
| sintre | good | 19:18 |
| sintre | using 16.10 or 16.04 | 19:19 |
| user|36858 | i have both downloaded | 19:19 |
| user|36858 | Both installers are crashing | 19:19 |
| sintre | try 16.04 in efi | 19:19 |
| sintre | did you atgleeast get to a live enviroment? | 19:20 |
| user|36858 | so turn on fastboot and do bios mode in EFI? | 19:20 |
| sintre | yes | 19:20 |
| sintre | as long as usb stick has msdos partitoon now | 19:20 |
| sintre | then when we get to a live enviroment , we need to work on your target installation drive | 19:20 |
| sintre | before using installer | 19:21 |
| BluesKaj | user|36858, if you're using UEFI it's best to keep the GPT table and install grub to the UEFI boot partition, to preserve any future needs for dual booting with windows 8-10 | 19:32 |
| user|36858 | SInce the installers GUI crashes, do i work on it via commnd line | 19:33 |
| sintre | is the taget drive turned to a gtp partiion | 19:33 |
| sintre | i mean file system | 19:34 |
| sintre | you can use kde parition manager to do it | 19:34 |
| sintre | then for safe side just make the disk a ext4 , then run installer | 19:34 |
| BluesKaj | gpt is a pertition table , not a partition | 19:35 |
| sintre | i corrected myself | 19:35 |
| BluesKaj | user|36858, if you plan on using linux exclusively then using bios mode amd a msdos partition table will work ...the uefi/bios has to be in legacy mode on most machines | 19:37 |
| BluesKaj | amd=and | 19:38 |
| user|36858 | So this is what I did. I use gparted to set the partition table to msdos, I have fat32 fs on the stick. Then I use unetbootin from the ppa to burn the iso. | 19:39 |
| sintre | can you get into a live enviroment | 19:40 |
| sintre | end instal efi or msdos the usb needs to be msdos , wierd but tested that myself this morning | 19:40 |
| user|36858 | I have bios setup to efi mode and fastboot enabled and I keep getting 'missing operating system' | 19:41 |
| sintre | once in the live enviroment you need to figure out what to do with your target install drive | 19:41 |
| sintre | efi gpt table legac clone mode msdos | 19:41 |
| sintre | use one time boot menu | 19:42 |
| sintre | might as well turn fast boot off | 19:42 |
| sintre | i always normally have a few seconds at start up to hit f12 on my machine even with it enabled | 19:42 |
| BluesKaj | in the uefi/bios use legacy mode, turn off "fast boot" if so equipped, some machines also need secure boot disabled too, user|36858 | 19:43 |
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| user|36858 | installer keeps crashing :| | 20:08 |
| sintre | ok did you get the target drive rdy for what type of install you want? | 20:08 |
| sintre | uefi or legacy? | 20:08 |
| user|36858 | yes | 20:08 |
| user|36858 | uefi | 20:09 |
| sintre | ok and that matches bis set up corfrect? | 20:09 |
| sintre | so bios set to legacy as well | 20:09 |
| sintre | i mena uefi | 20:09 |
| user|36858 | yes | 20:09 |
| sintre | and drive is gtp | 20:09 |
| sintre | with a partion of ext before using installer? | 20:09 |
| sintre | ext4 | 20:10 |
| sintre | using 16.10 or 16.04 | 20:10 |
| sintre | ? | 20:10 |
| user|36858 | yes, gpt wth ext4 fs and 16.10 | 20:11 |
| sintre | make a new one with 16.04 | 20:11 |
| sintre | i also had alot of crashing issues with 16.10 installer | 20:11 |
| sintre | after installed an dupdated you can upgrade to newer distro from terminal | 20:11 |
| user|36858 | 16.04 crashes as well... but ill try again | 20:12 |
| user|36858 | sintre: I can get to the splash screen but then everything crashes | 20:19 |
| sintre | honestly i'm out of ideas | 20:20 |
| user|36858 | I have a black screen and dialog boxes | 20:20 |
| user|36858 | yea.... its weird. I had LM18 installed without problems | 20:20 |
| user|36858 | last week | 20:20 |
| user|36858 | is their a non gui installer? | 20:21 |
| sintre | ok , i'd try same route with a regular ubuntu image | 20:21 |
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| sintre | see if it has same affect, if it doesn't then something is up with the installer and your hardware | 20:21 |
| sintre | in kubuntu image | 20:21 |
| sintre | this is temp for testing | 20:21 |
| user|36858 | I already tried multiple distros | 20:22 |
| sintre | not recomending reg ubuntu long term :) | 20:22 |
| sintre | same problem? | 20:22 |
| user|36858 | installer always crashes | 20:22 |
| user|36858 | I thought it was the grapchis car | 20:22 |
| sintre | well there is some hardware compatability issue somewhere | 20:22 |
| user|36858 | card | 20:22 |
| sintre | do you have a different hdd you can throw in there | 20:22 |
| sintre | that may be culprit | 20:22 |
| user|36858 | i tried memtest... no errors | 20:23 |
| sintre | doesn't matter | 20:23 |
| user|36858 | i have multiple hdd's and one ssd | 20:23 |
| sintre | i've had failed hard dtives that pass tests before | 20:23 |
| sintre | ok now were got some info | 20:23 |
| sintre | i'd disconnect all but one that you want to install to | 20:23 |
| sintre | if they're currently in desktop | 20:23 |
| sintre | this if of course if you want to continue | 20:24 |
| sintre | with this quest of sorts | 20:24 |
| sintre | only thing i can think of | 20:24 |
| user|36858 | well I NEED to install something :? | 20:24 |
| user|36858 | im going to disconnect all drives besides the ssd | 20:24 |
| sintre | ok sounds like a pan :) | 20:25 |
| user|36858 | but doesnt the installer run in RAM? | 20:25 |
| sintre | live image does yes | 20:25 |
| sintre | i don't get this either | 20:25 |
| sintre | only thing we can do now is throw stuff at the wall and hope it works | 20:25 |
| sintre | if all other distros have same problem | 20:26 |
| sintre | and you have a dead box atm | 20:26 |
| sintre | nothing to lose right? | 20:26 |
| user|36858 | i give up | 20:29 |
| user|36858 | :( | 20:29 |
| sintre | :( sry man | 20:29 |
| sintre | well worst advice is , use one of the win10 loops holes | 20:30 |
| user|36858 | gonna give it a rest for now | 20:30 |
| sintre | and download that see if it works | 20:30 |
| BluesKaj | make sure the drive you want is first in the boot sequence in your efi/bios, user|36858 | 20:31 |
| sintre | he can't get any installer to complete | 20:31 |
| sintre | :( | 20:31 |
| sintre | even on other distros | 20:31 |
| sintre | so somewhere a hardware issue i believe | 20:32 |
| user|36858 | Pulled out all of one stick of ram and installer is stable | 20:32 |
| user|36858 | I mean I only left one stick of ram | 20:32 |
| sintre | um what light? | 20:32 |
| sintre | we may get an install? | 20:33 |
| user|36858 | I have somewhat modern MB and it has dual channel | 20:33 |
| BluesKaj | like i said above , the installer has to be able to see the partition it's installing to , no matter which OPS | 20:33 |
| BluesKaj | OPS=OS | 20:33 |
| sintre | user> most use duel chanel or are capable of it | 20:33 |
| user|36858 | SYSTEM IS STABLE | 20:33 |
| sintre | duel synch i think is tgtech term | 20:33 |
| user|36858 | :0 | 20:33 |
| sintre | ok so something up with ram | 20:33 |
| sintre | not playing nice with each other | 20:34 |
| sintre | , that for later now lets get you updated atleast | 20:34 |
| BluesKaj | gotta go...bbl | 20:34 |
| sintre | c ya blues | 20:34 |
| sintre | how much is on that one stick? | 20:34 |
| user|36858 | 6gb | 20:36 |
| sintre | more than enough , sure a pain | 20:36 |
| sintre | not using others | 20:36 |
| sintre | but lets get you running while its working hehe | 20:36 |
| sintre | my new lappy came with 4 , aded another 4 gig stick , concerned myself it wouldn't play nice | 20:36 |
| sintre | so far i'm lucky | 20:36 |
| sintre | ut yea for normal stuff 6 gis easily enough to cover you | 20:37 |
| sintre | once updated , we can work on getting you gfx card working | 20:37 |
| user|36858 | ok....here we go | 20:37 |
| * sintre prays it boots | 20:38 | |
| user|36858 | should I do full disk encryption or just the home directory? | 20:48 |
| sintre | i'd just get it up atp | 20:48 |
| user|36858 | I want / on ssd and /home on the hdd | 20:49 |
| sintre | not sure never sintalled ot multiple drives | 20:49 |
| sintre | maybe take a breather , sure there are guides | 20:50 |
| sintre | i'd personnally keep it on ssd , but i only have 1 hdd in all my computers | 20:50 |
| sintre | but at this point i wouldn't wanna try to make another problem to solve atm | 20:50 |
| sintre | well i should say ssd on all my computers | 20:52 |
| sintre | i'd kinda consider this a test install , until other stuff gets sorted out | 20:53 |
| Crashing | Hello guys, I been using Plasma (Kubuntu) but it keeps crashing for unknown reassons, I am not doing anything | 22:39 |
| Crashing | I am running live version now and it is still crashing time to time and relaunching the applications once again. The installer for the OS crashed just now also.... | 22:40 |
| soee | what Plasma version ? | 22:44 |
| Crashing | plasmashell 5.5.5 | 22:47 |
| Crashing | I am gonna try KDE Neon which have 5.8 and see if the same still happens, when I tried KDE Neon for half year ago I had the same problem | 22:47 |
| soee | Crashing: Kubuntu has Plasma 5.8 | 23:02 |
| soee | add backports ppa and enjoy it :) | 23:02 |
| Crashing | Not accoriding to the LTS | 23:03 |
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