[00:15] hello [00:52] how to install on virtual box? [05:02] I can't install Kubuntu. I have checked the install media with fsck.ext4 and verified the ISO [05:03] !md5 [05:03] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [05:03] X/KDE won't start and I get errors that say something like kmsserver has crashed [05:03] user|36858: the above is the way to check [05:03] I verified the MD5 [05:03] which version are you trying to install? [05:04] Kubuntu 16.10 [05:04] 64bit [05:04] hmmm [05:04] I'm going out on a limb and gonna say it has something to do with my ATI radeon card [05:04] I've installed that quite a few times [05:04] if you suspect that, you might try nomodeset [05:04] !nomodeset [05:04] A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [05:05] that doesn't sound like what you are reporting, however [05:05] !info kmsserver [05:05] Package kmsserver does not exist in yakkety [05:06] so not a package, but a process [05:06] nomodeset is a boot parameter [05:06] !info ksmserver [05:06] Package ksmserver does not exist in yakkety [05:06] ? [05:07] I've seen a similar error before, but another boot always worked [05:07] did the live session work for you? [05:07] I can't even get to the live session [05:07] hmmm [05:07] try the live media you used [05:08] again [05:08] I'm trying a different USB drive [05:08] does UEFI/Secure boot have anything to do with it? [05:09] what program and what os are you using to create this install from? [05:09] what did you install to [05:09] not the media but the hdd [05:09] Im using Linux Mint's default tool to write the image [05:09] new or older [05:09] LM 18 Sarah [05:10] I installed to a USB2.0 flash drive with an ext4 FS on it [05:10] I ran fsck.ext4 to check the media and no errors were reported [05:10] ok if you have a system with uefi bios you need to had target fdrive to be using a gtp partition table [05:10] if older or mimicked you need to use ms/dos partition table [05:11] I turned off SecureBoot/UEFI in the bios [05:11] ok then if you want legacy , then you need to install in megacy and the hdd/ssd needs to be ms/dohg [05:11] ms/dos sey [05:12] so you need to use a live cd/usb [05:12] then use kde partition manager [05:12] so ext4 is wrong for the fdrive? [05:12] and change it to either or that you want [05:12] ext is fine [05:12] this is diffferent [05:13] this is the entire file table [05:13] not the partiton type [05:14] so first off choose if you want legacy oe efi [05:14] or efi [05:14] what do you suggest? [05:14] then you create the correct partition table for that firmware [05:14] i've done both on same system [05:14] In the 'DISK' program it says the partition is EFI [05:14] a budget notebook [05:14] ok then [05:15] fdisk -l ? [05:15] EFI(FAT-12/16/32) [05:15] ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) [05:15] you need a ext 4 for kubuntu [05:16] or any linux for optimal but i guess it should run on ffat 32 [05:16] OK I think I have all that setup correctly [05:16] how you partition is up to you [05:17] ok so now we need to turn efi back on in bios [05:17] i would keep secure boot on [05:17] i mean off [05:17] so we can go thru this step by step [05:17] ok... I turned on SB and am using "Windows UEFI mode" [05:17] i don' t know you pc [05:18] are you duel installing on same drive? [05:18] aka duel boot [05:18] no. single boot Kubuntu [05:18] then where is the windows from? [05:18] It's just what the option is called in the BIOS [05:18] ok then let it be if you wanr efi [05:19] i assume you have two pc's and your talking to one connected [05:19] sry just getting infp [05:19] o [05:19] yea... im chatting on my laptop and im trying to setup Kubuntu on the desktop [05:20] k bios good to go get into live cd encirment again [05:20] envirmoment [05:20] keyboard works user has bad spelling habbits sry :) [05:20] but before new isntall make sure secure boot is turned off [05:21] and before next install attempt [05:21] need to delete all partitions one the drivr to be sure [05:21] hahhahaha [05:22] ok, just booted from usb [05:22] when in there tell me [05:22] and im getting a kernel panic [05:22] what program do you make this live usb with [05:23] USB image writer [05:23] from Linux Mint 18 default install [05:23] can you download unetbootin [05:23] yea [05:23] pls try that [05:24] it auto uses a efi bootloader [05:24] so sisne firmare is set to it that should work [05:25] before installing wipe the usb stick , just ahabbit i have :) [05:26] should I use mkfs.ext4? [05:26] usb instlaller? [05:26] na fat 32 if fine when you write [05:26] ok [05:26] the new iso to usb [05:29] OK just wiped the drive [05:29] now im going to install via unetbootin [05:29] ok now hold a sec [05:30] make sure you create new partition table [05:31] msdos partition table? [05:32] no [05:32] other one gtp or gpt [05:32] goofy acronyms irritating me tonight :) [05:33] <[Relic]> eat more alphabet soup [05:33] done... I used gparted to create gpt partition table and allocated a new fat32 fs [05:33] then afterwards go ahead and use all unused allot all space as a ext4 partition [05:33] don't start install till you do that either just for safe reaosning [05:34] done [05:34] [relic] hey reminds me i have some chef boi r d's ravioli cans in panty making me hungry [05:34] ok start install [05:34] it will probally give you a msg saying er other devices might not work , but continue [05:34] in uefi mode [05:36] it's installing [05:36] nice! [05:36] how strange that the program used to burn the ISO onto the drive would make a difference [05:37] <[Relic]> sintre, strange place to store ravioli [05:37] it comes in a can what am i gonna do put it in the freezer [05:37] it says good till 20123 [05:37] so figure its safe :) [05:38] <[Relic]> kinda thinking maybe on a shelf would be a nice place to store it [05:38] my rent is cheap got make do lol [05:39] <[Relic]> hope it ain't in the ones you are wearing :) [05:39] oh crap i've drank to much i didn't see my own typo lol [05:39] * sintre has pie on face [05:39] ok...finished installing.....booting desktop in 3..2..1.... [05:40] gj user [05:40] now we get to upgrading [05:41] lol now it logged i store my ravioli in my panty [05:42] weird...when I boot from the USB it says: Missing operating system [05:42] you boot from hdd now [05:43] i dont have an os installed on the HDD/SDD [05:43] om what? [05:44] this is a fresh install of Kubuntu [05:44] from USB drive [05:44] sorry. i though that was clear [05:44] ok well now you are , so you want a usb stick install of ubuntu and not a real installtion to a internal hdd? [05:45] i want to install to the HDD, but I cant even boot into the live session from usb [05:45] um didn't you just do that? [05:46] no...i installed the live cd to the usb to boot from [05:46] yes and you said it was installing [05:46] or were you refering to the program unetbooting putting it on the stick [05:46] THe live session installed to the stick with unetbootin [05:47] yes [05:47] no the installion iso , creates the live session once booted from it [05:48] yea, but when i try to boot from the stick. it says os missing [05:49] ok not sure where this chain broke down but all i can think is to back track [05:49] unetbooting , this linux or windows that you used to make the stick [05:49] <[Relic]> ufei and tried to boot not in ufei(sp?) [05:50] also check bios and see if its in uefi mode [05:50] My laptop is linux [05:51] i used linux to make the stick [05:51] linux very broad term [05:51] what distro is your laptop [05:51] LM18 [05:52] check bios on desktop [05:52] bios is in UEFI mode [05:52] what is you one time boot menu [05:52] hot key [05:52] del or F2 [05:53] on desktop [05:53] go find it [05:53] then I select my USB drive [05:53] see if it reconise the stick [05:53] yes the bios recognizes the stick [05:54] and one you select it it says can't see os [05:54] meaning something is wrong with the install to the stick [05:55] i hope for your sake that is [05:55] i hope so too [05:55] so take stick back to lappy , [05:56] done [05:56] this time go ahead and format the thing to gtp [05:56] Im using a different stick [05:56] i formatted to gpt and using ext4 [05:56] on the stick [05:56] tthen fat32 again [05:58] ok [05:58] done [05:59] now use unetbooting with iso again [05:59] also what iso are you using newest or lts [06:01] newest [06:01] 16.10 [06:02] k np either way , just as much info the better [06:02] if they is round doesn't work :) [06:02] this [06:05] so does unetbootin unzip the iso to the usb drive? [06:05] and make it bootable? [06:05] is it in a zip file? [06:05] no [06:05] uncompress? [06:05] no its an iso [06:05] de compress it so the iso can be used [06:05] yes lol [06:06] it will use contents of the iso [06:06] thats its job [06:07] is their a way to verify the iso was written to the stick correctly? [06:07] when i run fdisk -l I get: Disklabel type: gpt [06:07] in unnetbootin not that i'm i'm aware of [06:08] but can check iso itself [06:08] when I open the usb drive, I have a boot folder and efi folder [06:08] good [06:08] go to desktop with stick [06:08] casper....etc [06:08] see if it boots [06:09] Missing operating system? [06:10] what am i doing wrong [06:10] again? [06:10] yea [06:10] well honestly i don't know [06:10] i've had this problem myself a couple months and , i went thru everystep i missed myself [06:11] newer budget notebook to replace a fried laptop [06:11] reinstalled like 5 times , [ having a ssd] helps [06:12] once i figured out the new firmware compatability issues [06:12] so it aint over yet [06:12] do you have a blank dvd you wouldn't mind using? [06:12] we can elimate the prograsm middle man [06:12] my xps doesn't have a dvd drive :( [06:13] ok plan b out then [06:14] does the live cd load graphics drivers? [06:14] yes it should load [06:14] im going to try nomodeset [06:14] ok this might sound a bit crazy [06:14] dd always works imo [06:14] but can you turn your current laptop off [06:14] you have to be very sure to do it correctly [06:14] !dd [06:15] and try to boot from the stick [06:15] oh pfff [06:15] welcome back valorie :) [06:15] !info dd [06:15] Package dd does not exist in yakkety [06:15] thanks [06:15] oh my gosh it does too [06:16] so Linux Mints tool creates a bootable stick [06:16] yes [06:16] not sure why unetbootin doesnt [06:17] try that , but check to see if its efi [06:17] !info fileutils [06:17] Package fileutils does not exist in yakkety [06:17] im in the boot menu. how do i set nomodeset [06:17] !nomodeset [06:17] A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [06:18] also I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging [06:19] ok, reading the post. BRB [06:19] his error msg seems to simply say no os found , not sure if its gfx or the creation of the live usb [06:20] sounds like the ISO is not being correctly written for one reason or another [06:20] all those apps used to be so easy [06:21] now they fail so often [06:21] i don't use his mint distro [06:21] so maybe he can try his integrated tool [06:22] he did, and that failed [06:22] and it seems so did unetbootin [06:22] :( [06:22] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [06:22] he doesn't have a dvd either [06:22] the kubuntu ISO burner used to fail as well, but it's been working for me without fail for the past year [06:23] if he doesn't have kubuntu though, he can't use that [06:23] its work the start up disk creator but in 16.04 atleast still has goodfy bug at start up [06:23] gotta trick it to let you use it [06:23] so i hit F6 and selcted nomodeset [06:23] and I can finally boot into kubuntu [06:23] :):):):):) [06:24] :) [06:24] ok thank god [06:24] very cool! [06:24] now lets get you online and updated [06:24] kwin is unstable [06:24] kwin closed unexpectedly [06:24] just keep going [06:25] hardwired or wifi? [06:25] hardwired [06:25] online? [06:25] i cant tell [06:25] kwin closed [06:25] multiple dialogs [06:26] system froze [06:26] ok this is turning into a war of sorts :) [06:27] I think it's the graphics [06:27] i had some stability issues myself with 16.10 [06:27] but others none to be reported [06:28] Im thinking about pulling the amd gpu and letting it use intel grpaphics [06:28] well might be a good start [06:28] then we can trouble shoot gfx later ewith other card [06:29] if its a card and all it costs if a few minutes [06:30] user|36858: what version of Kubuntu are you using? [06:31] on the usb drive I have 16.10 iso image installed [06:31] on my laptop I have Linux Mint 18 cinnamon installed [06:31] and kwin is unstable for you on both? [06:32] btw we do not do Mint support here [06:32] only on the live cd on the desktop [06:32] ok [06:32] his laptop is mint , he's installing to a second pc kubuntu or trying [06:32] im not having issues with my laptop. just the live cd and the desktop [06:32] what sintre said [06:32] sorry, I lost the thread of the conversation [06:32] * valorie butts out [06:34] im pulling the gpu out [06:34] brb [06:34] k [06:40] kernel panic :( [06:40] with intel graphics [06:40] :( [06:40] ok in bios you did turn secure boot off correct? [06:40] and fast boot or ready boot [06:40] ummmmm [06:41] lemme check [06:41] Ill get back to you in a sec [06:48] secure boot off [06:48] and fast boot disabled [06:49] ok that new changes or were the settings like that [06:49] i assume the former [06:49] fastboot was already off [06:49] secure? [06:49] im still getting a kernel panic [06:50] secure boot i just turned offf [06:50] ok , does your desktop have the ability to burn a dvd [06:50] yea [06:50] but im pretty sure i dont have any dvds [06:51] lets debug a kernel panic [06:51] ok well that would be my plan E at this point [06:51] that would be fun ;) [06:51] is to try a different live cd reg ubuntu or something [06:51] ok. Ill give that a go tomorroq [06:51] or mint , then burn to a dvd a iso raw [06:51] I appreciate all your help sintre [06:51] instead of relying on a middle man program [06:52] no i want this resolved as much as you do [06:52] I do too [06:52] at this point i think we've come at it from every angle possible [06:52] have you tried with nomodeset [06:52] the desktop is my main machine [06:52] not yet [06:52] alot of the iso- usb programs fail on us alot like valorie mentioned ealier [06:53] i remembered upgrading my ssd firmare and no program i could get toboot [06:53] you only need dd anyhow, there's no need for special programs to make your liveboot [06:53] i dug out an old box and found some blank cdz [06:53] and whoot it booted and updated my drive [06:54] dd is slow, but it works [06:54] it's only slow if you dont pass proper parameters to it :p [06:54] as the defaults are terrible in 2017 [06:54] just be careful about getting source and destination correct [06:54] "sudo dd bs=8M status=progress if=kubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb" [06:56] so i tried nomodeset withe intel graphics and im still getting a kernel panic [06:56] ok plan k [06:57] redownload a lts version of kubuntu [06:57] Hello Kubuntu users, could you please help me with simple question? I'm going to install a new release of Kubuntu, but I have a dilemma. [06:57] 16.04 , we can upgrade it later [06:57] same drill lol [06:57] ok... [06:58] downloading torrent [06:58] If I install 16.10 (current non-LTS) will it be possible to upgrade to LTS version in the future? [06:58] certainly [06:58] viewer|84669: yes, 18.04. but you will need to keep upgrading every 6-9 months to not go EOL until that [06:59] however the next LTS is not for over a year [06:59] 16.04, then 18.04 [06:59] our next release is 17.04, in April [06:59] * valorie is already running that [07:00] ok, so until July I need to keep upgrading it (as 9 months of support from release date) and when next LTS release is avaliable I can simply "jump" to it? right? [07:01] view> many upgrade options [07:01] if you want [07:01] or none and just lil bug fixes if you choose [07:01] viewer|84669: 18.04 will be the same type of update as the ones before it, it just gives you the option of sitting still there for 2 years [07:02] that said, you can do !eolupgrade but it's not really a nice option if you can instead keep your machine updated and secure instead [07:02] bonus points for extra instead, me [07:02] so I can upgrade to 18.04 but not to 17.04? do I understand it correctly? [07:03] viewer|84669: from 16.04 you can jump straight to 18.04 when it is out [07:03] viewer|84669: from 16.04 or 16.10 you can jump to the next release, so 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04 [07:03] well, a month or so after release [07:04] the first bugfix [07:04] Well yeah, first point-release [07:04] great so also 17.04 which will be sooner [07:04] for LTS-upgrades that is [07:04] thank you for explanation [07:04] For a desktop, I personally wouldnt use LTS. Just ends up having to use PPAs and such to keep up at the end of the cycle [07:05] But I guess it all depends what and how you use your machine [07:05] yes, this is desktop/laptop [07:05] for software developement, so I will go for the latest one then [07:06] <[Relic]> wonder if changing the dm would get me my two independent screens, still can't figure out what is failing [07:06] thank you, time to say good bye to Mint :) [07:06] writing 16.04 to the usb [07:06] [Relic] kde developers not concerned with duel monitors support atm is what is [07:07] ok had to be a lil smart mouth there but i think its try [07:07] [Relic]: which version are you using? [07:07] <[Relic]> 16.10 with backports [07:07] sintre: and that's quite untrue, #plasma is doing multimonitor fixing daily [07:07] [Relic]: hmm, has 5.8.4 landed in 16.10 backports yet? [07:08] it's in 16.04 backports anyhows, multimonitor works quite well for me now [07:08] user36> tell me when done [07:08] <[Relic]> says plasma 5.8.4, frameworks 5.28, qt 5.6.1 kernel 4.8.0-32-generic [07:09] sintre: that's not true [07:09] that capability comes from Qt [07:09] [Relic]: cant be much more up to date then atm. what exactly is your issue? [07:09] and we've not been able to get up-to-date Qt because of Ubuntu's own process [07:09] especially their phone support [07:10] <[Relic]> my exact issue is getting two screens that work independently as if they were both kde sessions [07:10] however, we should be able to upgrade soon [07:10] [Relic]: not sure about that [07:10] you'll have to check with the Qt devels about that [07:10] my issue is i can't get two screens to run infified aka clone mode with correct reolsutions in the monitors [07:10] <[Relic]> up to 14.10 I would simply run nvidia settings and set 2 xscreens and reboot with the new xorg [07:10]