[00:15] <klarix> hello
[00:52] <user|12401> how to install on virtual box?
[05:02] <user|36858> I can't install Kubuntu. I have checked the install media with fsck.ext4 and verified the ISO
[05:03] <valorie> !md5
[05:03] <user|36858> X/KDE won't start and I get errors that say something like kmsserver has crashed
[05:03] <valorie> user|36858: the above is the way to check
[05:03] <user|36858> I verified the MD5
[05:03] <valorie> which version are you trying to install?
[05:04] <user|36858> Kubuntu 16.10
[05:04] <user|36858> 64bit
[05:04] <valorie> hmmm
[05:04] <user|36858> I'm going out on a limb and gonna say it has something to do with my ATI radeon card
[05:04] <valorie> I've installed that quite a few times
[05:04] <valorie> if you suspect that, you might try nomodeset
[05:04] <valorie> !nomodeset
[05:05] <valorie> that doesn't sound like what you are reporting, however
[05:05] <valorie> !info kmsserver
[05:06] <valorie> so not a package, but a process
[05:06] <user|36858> nomodeset is a boot parameter
[05:06] <valorie> !info ksmserver
[05:06] <user|36858> ?
[05:07] <valorie> I've seen a similar error before, but another boot always worked
[05:07] <valorie> did the live session work for you?
[05:07] <user|36858> I can't even get to the live session
[05:07] <valorie> hmmm
[05:07] <sintre> try the live media you used
[05:08] <sintre> again
[05:08] <user|36858> I'm trying a different USB drive
[05:08] <user|36858> does UEFI/Secure boot have anything to do with it?
[05:09] <sintre> what program and what os are you using to create this  install from?
[05:09] <sintre> what did you install to
[05:09] <sintre> not the media but the hdd
[05:09] <user|36858> Im using Linux Mint's default tool to write the image
[05:09] <sintre> new or older
[05:09] <user|36858> LM 18 Sarah
[05:10] <user|36858> I installed to a USB2.0 flash drive with an ext4 FS on it
[05:10] <user|36858> I ran fsck.ext4 to check the media and no errors were reported
[05:10] <sintre> ok if you have a system with uefi bios you need to had target fdrive to be using a gtp partition table
[05:10] <sintre> if older or mimicked you need to use ms/dos partition table
[05:11] <user|36858> I turned off SecureBoot/UEFI in the bios
[05:11] <sintre> ok then if you want legacy , then you need to install in megacy and the hdd/ssd needs to be ms/dohg
[05:11] <sintre> ms/dos sey
[05:12] <sintre> so you need to use a live cd/usb
[05:12] <sintre> then use kde partition manager
[05:12] <user|36858> so ext4 is wrong for the fdrive?
[05:12] <sintre> and change it to either or that you want
[05:12] <sintre> ext is fine
[05:12] <sintre> this is diffferent
[05:13] <sintre> this is the entire file table
[05:13] <sintre> not the partiton type
[05:14] <sintre> so first off choose if you want legacy oe efi
[05:14] <sintre> or efi
[05:14] <user|36858> what do you suggest?
[05:14] <sintre> then you create the correct partition table for that firmware
[05:14] <sintre> i've done both on same system
[05:14] <user|36858> In the 'DISK' program it says the partition is EFI
[05:14] <sintre> a budget notebook
[05:14] <sintre> ok then
[05:15] <sintre> fdisk -l ?
[05:15] <user|36858> EFI(FAT-12/16/32)
[05:15] <user|36858> ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
[05:15] <sintre> you need a ext 4 for kubuntu
[05:16] <sintre> or any linux for optimal but i guess it should run on ffat 32
[05:16] <user|36858> OK I think I have all that setup correctly
[05:16] <sintre> how you partition is up to you
[05:17] <sintre> ok so now we need to turn efi back on in bios
[05:17] <sintre> i would keep secure boot on
[05:17] <sintre> i mean off
[05:17] <sintre> so we can go thru this step by step
[05:17] <user|36858> ok... I turned on SB and am using "Windows UEFI mode"
[05:17] <sintre> i don' t know you pc
[05:18] <sintre> are you duel installing on same drive?
[05:18] <sintre> aka duel boot
[05:18] <user|36858> no. single boot Kubuntu
[05:18] <sintre> then where is the windows from?
[05:18] <user|36858> It's just what the option is called in the BIOS
[05:18] <sintre> ok then let it be if you wanr efi
[05:19] <sintre> i assume you have two pc's and your talking to one connected
[05:19] <sintre> sry just getting infp
[05:19] <sintre> o
[05:19] <user|36858> yea... im chatting on my laptop and im trying to setup Kubuntu on the desktop
[05:20] <sintre> k bios good to go get into live cd encirment again
[05:20] <sintre> envirmoment
[05:20] <sintre> keyboard works user has bad spelling habbits sry :)
[05:20] <sintre> but before new isntall make sure secure boot is turned off
[05:21] <sintre> and before next install attempt
[05:21] <sintre> need to delete all partitions one the drivr to be sure
[05:21] <user|36858> hahhahaha
[05:22] <user|36858> ok, just booted from usb
[05:22] <sintre> when in there tell me
[05:22] <user|36858> and im getting a kernel panic
[05:22] <sintre> what program do you make this live usb with
[05:23] <user|36858> USB image writer
[05:23] <user|36858> from Linux Mint 18 default install
[05:23] <sintre> can you download unetbootin
[05:23] <user|36858> yea
[05:23] <sintre> pls try that
[05:24] <sintre> it auto uses a efi bootloader
[05:24] <sintre> so sisne firmare is set to it that should work
[05:25] <sintre> before installing wipe the usb stick , just ahabbit i have :)
[05:26] <user|36858> should I use mkfs.ext4?
[05:26] <sintre> usb instlaller?
[05:26] <sintre> na fat 32 if fine when you write
[05:26] <user|36858> ok
[05:26] <sintre> the new iso to usb
[05:29] <user|36858> OK just wiped the drive
[05:29] <user|36858> now im going to install via unetbootin
[05:29] <sintre> ok now hold a sec
[05:30] <sintre> make sure you create new partition table
[05:31] <user|36858> msdos partition table?
[05:32] <sintre> no
[05:32] <sintre> other one gtp or gpt
[05:32] <sintre> goofy acronyms irritating me tonight :)
[05:33] <[Relic]> eat more alphabet soup
[05:33] <user|36858> done... I used gparted to create gpt partition table and allocated a new fat32 fs
[05:33] <sintre> then afterwards go ahead and use all unused allot all space as a ext4 partition
[05:33] <sintre> don't start install till you do that either just for safe reaosning
[05:34] <user|36858> done
[05:34] <sintre> [relic] hey reminds me i have some chef boi r d's ravioli cans in panty making me hungry
[05:34] <sintre> ok start install
[05:34] <sintre> it will probally give you a msg saying er other devices might not work , but continue
[05:34] <sintre> in uefi mode
[05:36] <user|36858> it's installing
[05:36] <valorie> nice!
[05:36] <valorie> how strange that the program used to burn the ISO onto the drive would make a difference
[05:37] <[Relic]> sintre, strange place to store ravioli
[05:37] <sintre> it comes in a can what am i gonna do put it in the freezer
[05:37] <sintre> it says good till 20123
[05:37] <sintre> so figure its safe :)
[05:38] <[Relic]> kinda thinking maybe on a shelf would be a nice place to store it
[05:38] <sintre> my rent is cheap got make do lol
[05:39] <[Relic]> hope it ain't in the ones you are wearing  :)
[05:39] <sintre> oh crap i've drank to much i didn't see my own typo lol
[05:39]  * sintre has pie on face
[05:39] <user|36858> ok...finished installing.....booting desktop in 3..2..1....
[05:40] <sintre> gj user
[05:40] <sintre> now we get to upgrading
[05:41] <sintre> lol now it logged i store my ravioli in my panty
[05:42] <user|36858> weird...when I boot from the USB it says: Missing operating system
[05:42] <sintre> you boot from hdd now
[05:43] <user|36858> i dont have an os installed on the HDD/SDD
[05:43] <sintre> om what?
[05:44] <user|36858> this is a fresh install of Kubuntu
[05:44] <user|36858> from USB drive
[05:44] <user|36858> sorry. i though that was clear
[05:44] <sintre> ok well now you are , so you want a usb stick install of ubuntu and not a real installtion to a internal hdd?
[05:45] <user|36858> i want to install to the HDD, but I cant even boot into the live session from usb
[05:45] <sintre> um didn't you just do that?
[05:46] <user|36858> no...i installed the live cd to the usb to boot from
[05:46] <sintre> yes and you said it was installing
[05:46] <sintre> or were you refering to the program unetbooting putting it on the stick
[05:46] <user|36858> THe live session installed to the stick with unetbootin
[05:47] <sintre> yes
[05:47] <sintre> no the installion iso , creates the live session once booted from it
[05:48] <user|36858> yea, but when i try to boot from the stick. it says os missing
[05:49] <sintre> ok not sure where this chain broke down but all i can think is to back track
[05:49] <sintre> unetbooting , this linux or windows that you used to make the stick
[05:49] <[Relic]> ufei and tried to boot not in ufei(sp?)
[05:50] <sintre> also check bios and see if its in uefi mode
[05:50] <user|36858> My laptop is linux
[05:51] <user|36858> i used linux to make the stick
[05:51] <sintre> linux very broad term
[05:51] <sintre> what distro is your laptop
[05:51] <user|36858> LM18
[05:52] <sintre> check bios on desktop
[05:52] <user|36858> bios is in UEFI mode
[05:52] <sintre> what is you one time boot menu
[05:52] <sintre> hot key
[05:52] <user|36858> del or F2
[05:53] <sintre> on desktop
[05:53] <sintre> go find it
[05:53] <user|36858> then  I select my USB drive
[05:53] <sintre> see if it reconise the stick
[05:53] <user|36858> yes the bios recognizes the stick
[05:54] <sintre> and one you select it it says can't see os
[05:54] <sintre> meaning something is wrong with the install to the stick
[05:55] <sintre> i hope for your sake that is
[05:55] <user|36858> i hope so too
[05:55] <sintre> so take stick back to lappy ,
[05:56] <user|36858> done
[05:56] <sintre> this time go ahead and format the thing to gtp
[05:56] <user|36858> Im using a different stick
[05:56] <user|36858> i formatted to gpt and using ext4
[05:56] <user|36858> on the stick
[05:56] <sintre> tthen fat32 again
[05:58] <user|36858> ok
[05:58] <user|36858> done
[05:59] <sintre> now use unetbooting with iso again
[05:59] <sintre> also what iso are you using newest or lts
[06:01] <user|36858> newest
[06:01] <user|36858> 16.10
[06:02] <sintre> k np either way , just as much info the better
[06:02] <sintre> if they is round doesn't work  :)
[06:02] <sintre> this
[06:05] <user|36858> so does unetbootin unzip the iso to the usb drive?
[06:05] <user|36858> and make it bootable?
[06:05] <sintre> is it in a zip file?
[06:05] <sintre> no
[06:05] <user|36858> uncompress?
[06:05] <user|36858> no its an iso
[06:05] <sintre> de compress it so the iso can be used
[06:05] <sintre> yes lol
[06:06] <sintre> it will use contents of the iso
[06:06] <sintre> thats its job
[06:07] <user|36858> is their a way to verify the iso was written to the stick correctly?
[06:07] <user|36858> when i run fdisk -l  I get: Disklabel type: gpt
[06:07] <sintre> in unnetbootin not that i'm i'm aware of
[06:08] <sintre> but can check iso itself
[06:08] <user|36858> when I open the usb drive, I have a boot folder and efi folder
[06:08] <sintre> good
[06:08] <sintre> go to desktop with stick
[06:08] <user|36858> casper....etc
[06:08] <sintre> see if it boots
[06:09] <user|36858> Missing operating system?
[06:10] <user|36858> what am i doing wrong
[06:10] <sintre> again?
[06:10] <user|36858> yea
[06:10] <sintre> well honestly i don't know
[06:10] <sintre> i've had this problem myself a couple months and , i went thru everystep i missed myself
[06:11] <sintre> newer budget notebook to replace a fried laptop
[06:11] <sintre> reinstalled like 5 times , [ having a ssd] helps
[06:12] <sintre> once i figured out the new firmware compatability issues
[06:12] <sintre> so it aint over yet
[06:12] <sintre> do you have a blank dvd you wouldn't mind using?
[06:12] <sintre> we can elimate the prograsm middle man
[06:12] <user|36858> my xps doesn't have a dvd drive :(
[06:13] <sintre> ok plan b out then
[06:14] <user|36858> does the live cd load graphics drivers?
[06:14] <sintre> yes it should load
[06:14] <user|36858> im going to try nomodeset
[06:14] <sintre> ok this might sound a bit crazy
[06:14] <valorie> dd always works imo
[06:14] <sintre> but can you turn your current laptop off
[06:14] <valorie> you have to be very sure to do it correctly
[06:14] <valorie> !dd
[06:15] <sintre> and try to boot from the stick
[06:15] <valorie> oh pfff
[06:15] <user|36858> welcome back valorie :)
[06:15] <valorie> !info dd
[06:15] <valorie> thanks
[06:15] <valorie> oh my gosh it does too
[06:16] <user|36858> so Linux Mints tool creates a bootable stick
[06:16] <sintre> yes
[06:16] <user|36858> not sure why unetbootin doesnt
[06:17] <sintre> try that , but check to see if its efi
[06:17] <valorie> !info fileutils
[06:17] <user|36858> im in the boot menu. how do i set nomodeset
[06:17] <valorie> !nomodeset
[06:18] <valorie> also I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging
[06:19] <user|36858> ok, reading the post. BRB
[06:19] <sintre> his error msg seems to simply say no os found , not sure if its gfx or the creation of the live usb
[06:20] <valorie> sounds like the ISO is not being correctly written for one reason or another
[06:20] <valorie> all those apps used to be so easy
[06:21] <valorie> now they fail so often
[06:21] <sintre> i don't use his mint distro
[06:21] <sintre> so maybe he can try his integrated tool
[06:22] <valorie> he did, and that failed
[06:22] <valorie> and it seems so did unetbootin
[06:22] <sintre> :(
[06:22] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[06:22] <sintre> he doesn't have a dvd either
[06:22] <valorie> the kubuntu ISO burner used to fail as well, but it's been working for me without fail for the past year
[06:23] <valorie> if he doesn't have kubuntu though, he can't use that
[06:23] <sintre> its work the start up disk creator but in 16.04 atleast still has goodfy bug at start up
[06:23] <sintre> gotta trick it to let you use it
[06:23] <user|36858> so i hit F6 and selcted nomodeset
[06:23] <user|36858> and I can finally boot into kubuntu
[06:23] <user|36858> :):):):):)
[06:24] <user|36858> :)
[06:24] <sintre> ok thank god
[06:24] <valorie> very cool!
[06:24] <sintre> now lets get you online and updated
[06:24] <user|36858> kwin is unstable
[06:24] <user|36858> kwin closed unexpectedly
[06:24] <sintre> just keep going
[06:25] <sintre> hardwired or wifi?
[06:25] <user|36858> hardwired
[06:25] <sintre> online?
[06:25] <user|36858> i cant tell
[06:25] <user|36858> kwin closed
[06:25] <user|36858> multiple dialogs
[06:26] <user|36858> system froze
[06:26] <sintre> ok this is turning into a war of sorts :)
[06:27] <user|36858> I think it's the graphics
[06:27] <sintre> i had some stability issues myself with 16.10
[06:27] <sintre> but others none to be reported
[06:28] <user|36858> Im thinking about pulling the amd gpu and letting it use intel grpaphics
[06:28] <sintre> well might be a good start
[06:28] <sintre> then we can trouble shoot gfx later ewith other card
[06:29] <sintre> if its a card and all it costs if a few minutes
[06:30] <valorie> user|36858: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[06:31] <user|36858> on the usb drive  I have 16.10 iso image installed
[06:31] <user|36858> on my laptop I have Linux Mint 18 cinnamon installed
[06:31] <valorie> and kwin is unstable for you on both?
[06:32] <valorie> btw we do not do Mint support here
[06:32] <user|36858> only on the live cd on the desktop
[06:32] <valorie> ok
[06:32] <sintre> his laptop is mint , he's installing to a second pc kubuntu or trying
[06:32] <user|36858> im not having issues with my laptop. just the live cd and the desktop
[06:32] <user|36858> what sintre said
[06:32] <valorie> sorry, I lost the thread of the conversation
[06:32]  * valorie butts out
[06:34] <user|36858> im pulling the gpu out
[06:34] <user|36858> brb
[06:34] <sintre> k
[06:40] <user|36858> kernel panic :(
[06:40] <user|36858> with intel graphics
[06:40] <user|36858> :(
[06:40] <sintre> ok in bios you did turn secure boot off correct?
[06:40] <sintre> and fast boot or ready boot
[06:40] <user|36858> ummmmm
[06:41] <user|36858> lemme check
[06:41] <user|36858> Ill get back to you in a sec
[06:48] <user|36858> secure boot off
[06:48] <user|36858> and fast boot disabled
[06:49] <sintre> ok that new changes or were the settings like that
[06:49] <sintre> i assume the former
[06:49] <user|36858> fastboot was already off
[06:49] <sintre> secure?
[06:49] <user|36858> im still getting a kernel panic
[06:50] <user|36858> secure boot i just turned offf
[06:50] <sintre> ok , does your desktop have the ability to burn a dvd
[06:50] <user|36858> yea
[06:50] <user|36858> but im pretty sure i dont have any dvds
[06:51] <user|36858> lets debug a kernel panic
[06:51] <sintre> ok well that would be my plan E at this point
[06:51] <user|36858> that would be fun ;)
[06:51] <sintre> is to try a different live cd reg ubuntu or something
[06:51] <user|36858> ok. Ill give that a go tomorroq
[06:51] <sintre> or mint , then burn to a dvd a iso raw
[06:51] <user|36858> I appreciate all your help sintre
[06:51] <sintre> instead of relying on a middle man program
[06:52] <sintre> no i want this resolved as much as you do
[06:52] <user|36858> I do too
[06:52] <sintre> at this point i think we've come at it from every angle possible
[06:52] <hateball> have you tried with nomodeset
[06:52] <user|36858> the desktop is my main machine
[06:52] <user|36858> not yet
[06:52] <sintre> alot of the iso- usb programs fail on us alot like valorie mentioned ealier
[06:53] <sintre> i remembered upgrading my ssd firmare and no program i could get toboot
[06:53] <hateball> you only need dd anyhow, there's no need for special programs to make your liveboot
[06:53] <sintre> i dug out an old box and found some blank cdz
[06:53] <sintre> and whoot it booted and updated my drive
[06:54] <valorie> dd is slow, but it works
[06:54] <hateball> it's only slow if you dont pass proper parameters to it :p
[06:54] <hateball> as the defaults are terrible in 2017
[06:54] <valorie> just be careful about getting source and destination correct
[06:54] <hateball> "sudo dd bs=8M status=progress if=kubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb"
[06:56] <user|36858> so i tried nomodeset withe intel graphics and im still getting a kernel panic
[06:56] <sintre> ok plan k
[06:57] <sintre> redownload a lts version of kubuntu
[06:57] <viewer|84669> Hello Kubuntu users, could you please help me with simple question? I'm going to install a new release of Kubuntu, but I have a dilemma.
[06:57] <sintre> 16.04 , we can upgrade it later
[06:57] <sintre> same drill lol
[06:57] <user|36858> ok...
[06:58] <user|36858> downloading torrent
[06:58] <viewer|84669> If I install 16.10 (current non-LTS) will it be possible to upgrade to LTS version in the future?
[06:58] <valorie> certainly
[06:58] <hateball> viewer|84669: yes, 18.04. but you will need to keep upgrading every 6-9 months to not go EOL until that
[06:59] <valorie> however the next LTS is not for over a year
[06:59] <valorie> 16.04, then 18.04
[06:59] <valorie> our next release is 17.04, in April
[06:59]  * valorie is already running that
[07:00] <viewer|84669> ok, so until July I need to keep upgrading it (as 9 months of support from release date) and when next LTS release is avaliable I can simply "jump" to it? right?
[07:01] <sintre> view> many upgrade options
[07:01] <sintre> if you want
[07:01] <sintre> or none and just lil bug fixes if you choose
[07:01] <hateball> viewer|84669: 18.04 will be the same type of update as the ones before it, it just gives you the option of sitting still there for 2 years
[07:02] <hateball> that said, you can do !eolupgrade but it's not really a nice option if you can instead keep your machine updated and secure instead
[07:02] <hateball> bonus points for extra instead, me
[07:02] <viewer|84669> so I can upgrade to 18.04 but not to 17.04? do I understand it correctly?
[07:03] <hateball> viewer|84669: from 16.04 you can jump straight to 18.04 when it is out
[07:03] <hateball> viewer|84669: from 16.04 or 16.10 you can jump to the next release, so 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04
[07:03] <valorie> well, a month or so after release
[07:04] <valorie> the first bugfix
[07:04] <hateball> Well yeah, first point-release
[07:04] <viewer|84669> great so also 17.04 which will be sooner
[07:04] <hateball> for LTS-upgrades that is
[07:04] <viewer|84669> thank you for explanation
[07:04] <hateball> For a desktop, I personally wouldnt use LTS. Just ends up having to use PPAs and such to keep up at the end of the cycle
[07:05] <hateball> But I guess it all depends what and how you use your machine
[07:05] <viewer|84669> yes, this is desktop/laptop
[07:05] <viewer|84669> for software developement, so I will go for the latest one then
[07:06] <[Relic]> wonder if changing the dm would get me my two independent screens, still can't figure out what is failing
[07:06] <viewer|84669> thank you, time to say good bye to Mint :)
[07:06] <user|36858> writing 16.04 to the usb
[07:06] <sintre> [Relic] kde developers not concerned with duel monitors support atm is what is
[07:07] <sintre> ok had to be a lil smart mouth there but i think its try
[07:07] <hateball> [Relic]: which version are you using?
[07:07] <[Relic]> 16.10 with backports
[07:07] <hateball> sintre: and that's quite untrue, #plasma is doing multimonitor fixing daily
[07:07] <hateball> [Relic]: hmm, has 5.8.4 landed in 16.10 backports yet?
[07:08] <hateball> it's in 16.04 backports anyhows, multimonitor works quite well for me now
[07:08] <sintre> user36> tell me when done
[07:08] <[Relic]> says plasma 5.8.4, frameworks 5.28, qt 5.6.1 kernel 4.8.0-32-generic
[07:09] <valorie> sintre: that's not true
[07:09] <valorie> that capability comes from Qt
[07:09] <hateball> [Relic]: cant be much more up to date then atm. what exactly is your issue?
[07:09] <valorie> and we've not been able to get up-to-date Qt because of Ubuntu's own process
[07:09] <valorie> especially their phone support
[07:10] <[Relic]> my exact issue is getting two screens that work independently as if they were both kde sessions
[07:10] <valorie> however, we should be able to upgrade soon
[07:10] <valorie> [Relic]: not sure about that
[07:10] <valorie> you'll have to check with the Qt devels about that
[07:10] <sintre> my issue is i can't get two screens to run infified aka clone mode with correct reolsutions in the monitors
[07:10] <[Relic]> up to 14.10 I would simply run nvidia settings and set 2 xscreens and reboot with the new xorg
[07:10] <valorie> *maybe* in #kde
[07:10] <sintre> so make duel screens useless
[07:10] <valorie> so you've said
[07:11] <[Relic]> now if I use nvidia settings I technically get 2 screens but, any right click on the second pops up a box on the first
[07:12] <hateball> [Relic]: so you dont want two monitors in the same session, you want 1 session on each?
[07:12] <hateball> or am I not reading this correct
[07:14] <[Relic]> I think so.  Basically up to 14.10 it was that each monitor had its own plasma/taskbar/etc though I accessed both through the same keyboard/mouse each had a set of virtual desktops so I could leave say IRC open on one screen and flip through any of the virtual desktops on the second screen
[07:15] <hateball> umm... so you *do* want to use both monitors in the same session?
[07:16] <hateball> just have the panels act independently?
[07:16] <[Relic]> think that is pretty much what it is
[07:17] <hateball> [Relic]: can you check in kscreen that monitors are alongside each other and not on top (clone)?
[07:17] <[Relic]> I don't want 2 screens = one big monitor; one screen one monitor
[07:17] <user|36858> sintre
[07:17] <sintre> user
[07:17] <user|36858> done and booting into the live session
[07:17] <sintre> it worked on desktop?
[07:18] <hateball> [Relic]: and then you can rightclick your panel/activity plasmoid and go into settings. tell it to only show stuff from Current Screen
[07:18] <[Relic]> if I try tampering with xorg settings, xrandr/kscreen can't find the 2nd monitor at all
[07:18] <user|36858> im getting kded5 closed
[07:19] <sintre> user36> so did it even boot into kubntu
[07:19] <user|36858> it booted into kubuntu for a second
[07:20] <[Relic]> hateball, I'd have to put in the xorg info again and restart; to check that but since I already know when I do that randr/kscreen only finds one monitor, there is no second monitor to move around in kscreen
[07:21] <sintre> ok plan L user > use native mint iso maker
[07:21] <hateball> [Relic]: why would you need to touch xorg.conf? should work fine unless you need special options
[07:21] <sintre> for the usb stick and stich your boot config back to legacy
[07:21] <hateball> [Relic]: that is, using nvidia-settings just for your user
[07:22] <hateball> [Relic]: could be that only one screen works in sddm unless it's defined globally but iirc should work fine once you log in to your session and the nvidiarc gets read
[07:22] <hateball> I don't have a multimonitor nvidia-setup handy currently
[07:23] <[Relic]> two make 2 xscreens with nvidia-settings you need to save the info, doesn't like to apply all the changes necessary if you try just apply
[07:33] <sintre> user|36858  > Are you till around?
[07:38] <[Relic]> hateball, was trying to figure out if switching to lightDM might let me find out if it is just sddm weirdness
[07:41] <hateball> [Relic]: well sddm has nothing to do with things once you're in Plasma
[07:41] <hateball> panels etc
[07:42] <[Relic]> not sure what to look at to see if I can find a reason
[07:53] <[Relic]> night all, will try again tomorrow to figure this out
[07:54] <sintre> Well sleep time for me , user|36858  if you come back around best bet is to grab some blank dvds and burn an iso imo .have a good night , night to |Relic| as well
[07:54] <sintre> been a long one happy new year to all one last time :)
[07:54] <[Relic]> and put that ravioli somewhere else  :)
[07:55] <sintre> lol i'll never live down that typo , i'll just have to beat it hehe
[08:03] <sudhirkhanger> On a new 16.04 system I notice that main, universe, restricted, and multiverse are all enabled by default. Also important security, recommended, and unsupported updates are also enabled by default. Are those correct defaults?
[08:05] <valorie> sudhirkhanger: yes
[08:05]  * valorie goes to bed as wll
[08:06] <valorie> well
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> :) thanks.
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> I couldn't find the difference between multiverse/restricted and Canonical partners.
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> They sound pretty much about the same.
[11:42] <hay207> Hi, can i reset my password with only my email ? , can't remember my username
[11:43] <hateball> hay207: ... for what?
[11:43] <hay207> on kde identity
[11:43] <hateball> hay207: probably better off asking in #kde
[11:43] <hay207> Ok
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <nathan> hello
[14:39] <yotux> Looking for software to manage podcast anyone have some feedback
[16:19] <bangolio> hi, I'm trying to install kubuntu and the installer keeps crashing at the same point, looked it up, looks like a known bug with not much information, I'm pretty sure I am missing something, it can't be that I just can't install, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1650767
[16:20] <genii> Use a supported Kubuntu and not the development version
[16:22] <bangolio> 16.10 is not supported?
[16:23] <acheronuk> the bug you linked to is for the 17.04 daily development iso
[16:25] <bangolio> sorry, wrong bug then, I am on 16.10, it looks very similar (error msg and such)
[16:26] <bangolio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1647363
[16:34] <bangolio> can anyone please help me?
[16:35] <[Relic]> install 16.04 and upgrade
[16:35] <[Relic]> for some reason 16.10 kept crapping out during install so that is what I did
[16:40] <[Relic]> and if you go 16.04 to 16.10 route then you might need to get the dist upgrade package when ready to do that
[16:41] <bangolio> I'm just baffled, I've installed 16.10 multiple times in the last 2-3 months on this same hardware with the same USB stick & ISO file
[16:42] <bangolio> I fear 16.04 might not work either
[16:42] <bangolio> since the problem is probably on my end
[16:42] <BluesKaj> bangolio, , make sure you have the latest 16.10 iso, some of the earlier images would crash due to bug in ubiquity, the latest iso worked fine on my pc
[16:43] <sintre> was in here 3 hours last night with another install , that was a head scratcher , seems our new years treat here
[16:47] <bangolio> I do, downloaded today, checked md5 and it matched the one I was using
[16:47] <bangolio> I've put it on the USB again, boots fine to live,
[16:48] <bangolio> connects to wifi and after I choose whether to install packages from repo + 3rd party stuff it crashes
[16:48] <sintre> i had a similar problem with 16.10 iso on my new budget notebook
[16:49] <sintre> plsma crashes mostly but installer wouldn't make it thru till the end without crashing half the time
[16:49] <sintre> wasn't at that specific place though
[16:49] <sintre> 16.04 worked for me
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bangolio, then don't DL the 3rd party apps, wait til after the install
[16:50] <bangolio> tried that
[16:55] <BluesKaj> make sure your wifi connection isn't glitchy as well
[17:03] <BluesKaj> I usually, but not always, connect via ethernet on the laptop to install an OS, altho my wifi here is quite stable
[17:04] <bangolio> I tried with and without connecting to wifi
[17:04] <sintre> i'd not download updates , only third party stuff
[17:05] <BluesKaj> bangolio, what about your target partition , is it set up correctly? I have to ask
[17:05] <bangolio> I've tried every possible combination of options
[17:05] <bangolio> including skipping any extra packages (3rd party or not)
[19:14] <user|36858> is their a non graphical installer for kubuntu
[19:15] <sintre> user
[19:15] <sintre> same from last night?
[19:15] <user|36858> Hi sintre
[19:15] <user|36858> yup
[19:15] <sintre> i owe you an apology ten fold
[19:15] <user|36858> no worries.
[19:15] <sintre> i know where i screwed up and super sry wanna fix it
[19:15] <user|36858> ...?
[19:15] <sintre> the insaller live from unetbootin needs msdos partition
[19:16] <sintre> for the usb stick
[19:16] <sintre> i just tested it this morning
[19:16] <sintre> then we fix target hdd in system sry about that
[19:16] <sintre> i didn't think it would be a differece
[19:16] <user|36858> I already tried the msdos partition table
[19:16] <sintre> i recreated same problem with me uefi system
[19:17] <user|36858> i read the uefi blog on ubuntu forums.
[19:17] <sintre> so you up and running
[19:17] <sintre> ?
[19:17] <user|36858> i disabled fastboot, and put bios mode in legacy
[19:17] <user|36858> no...installer is still crashing
[19:17] <user|36858> with segfaults in kwin
[19:17] <sintre> ok back to efi  turn thos bios settings back on
[19:17] <sintre> , except for secure for now
[19:18] <sintre> make sure install media usb is msdos partition and use netbootin
[19:18] <user|36858> I use gparted to set the prtition table
[19:18] <sintre> good
[19:19] <sintre> using 16.10 or 16.04
[19:19] <user|36858> i have both downloaded
[19:19] <user|36858> Both installers are crashing
[19:19] <sintre> try 16.04 in efi
[19:20] <sintre> did you atgleeast get to a live enviroment?
[19:20] <user|36858> so turn on fastboot and do bios mode in EFI?
[19:20] <sintre> yes
[19:20] <sintre> as long as usb stick has msdos partitoon now
[19:20] <sintre> then when we get to a live enviroment , we need to work on your target installation drive
[19:21] <sintre> before using installer
[19:32] <BluesKaj> user|36858,  if you're using UEFI it's best to keep the GPT table and install grub to the UEFI boot partition, to preserve any future needs for dual booting with windows 8-10
[19:33] <user|36858> SInce the installers GUI crashes, do i work on it via commnd line
[19:33] <sintre> is the taget drive turned to a gtp partiion
[19:34] <sintre> i mean file system
[19:34] <sintre> you can use kde parition manager to do it
[19:34] <sintre> then for safe side just make the disk a ext4 , then run installer
[19:35] <BluesKaj> gpt is a pertition table , not a partition
[19:35] <sintre> i corrected myself
[19:37] <BluesKaj> user|36858, if you plan on using linux exclusively then using bios mode amd a msdos partition table will work ...the uefi/bios has to be in legacy mode on most machines
[19:38] <BluesKaj> amd=and
[19:39] <user|36858> So this is what I did. I use gparted to set the partition table to msdos, I have  fat32 fs on the stick. Then I use unetbootin from the ppa to burn the iso.
[19:40] <sintre> can you get into a live enviroment
[19:40] <sintre> end instal efi or msdos the usb needs to be msdos , wierd but tested that myself this morning
[19:41] <user|36858> I have bios setup to efi mode and fastboot enabled and I keep getting 'missing operating system'
[19:41] <sintre> once in the live enviroment you need to figure out what to do with your target install drive
[19:41] <sintre> efi gpt table legac clone mode msdos
[19:42] <sintre> use one time boot menu
[19:42] <sintre> might as well turn fast boot off
[19:42] <sintre> i always normally have a few seconds at start up to hit f12 on my machine even with it enabled
[19:43] <BluesKaj> in the uefi/bios use legacy mode, turn off "fast boot" if so equipped, some machines also need secure boot disabled too, user|36858
[20:08] <user|36858> installer keeps crashing :|
[20:08] <sintre> ok did you get the target drive rdy for what type of install you want?
[20:08] <sintre> uefi or legacy?
[20:08] <user|36858> yes
[20:09] <user|36858> uefi
[20:09] <sintre> ok and that matches bis set up corfrect?
[20:09] <sintre> so bios set to legacy as well
[20:09] <sintre> i mena uefi
[20:09] <user|36858> yes
[20:09] <sintre> and drive is gtp
[20:09] <sintre> with a partion of ext before using installer?
[20:10] <sintre> ext4
[20:10] <sintre> using 16.10 or 16.04
[20:10] <sintre> ?
[20:11] <user|36858> yes, gpt wth ext4 fs and 16.10
[20:11] <sintre> make a new one with 16.04
[20:11] <sintre> i also had alot of crashing issues with 16.10 installer
[20:11] <sintre> after installed an dupdated you can upgrade to newer distro from terminal
[20:12] <user|36858> 16.04 crashes as well... but ill try again
[20:19] <user|36858> sintre: I can get to the splash screen but then everything crashes
[20:20] <sintre> honestly i'm out of ideas
[20:20] <user|36858> I have a black screen and dialog boxes
[20:20] <user|36858> yea.... its weird. I had LM18 installed without problems
[20:20] <user|36858> last week
[20:21] <user|36858> is their  a non gui installer?
[20:21] <sintre> ok , i'd try same route with a regular ubuntu image
[20:21] <sintre> see if it has same affect, if it doesn't then something is up with the installer and your hardware
[20:21] <sintre> in kubuntu image
[20:21] <sintre> this is temp for testing
[20:22] <user|36858> I already tried multiple distros
[20:22] <sintre> not recomending reg ubuntu long term :)
[20:22] <sintre> same problem?
[20:22] <user|36858> installer always crashes
[20:22] <user|36858> I thought it was the grapchis car
[20:22] <sintre> well there is some hardware compatability issue somewhere
[20:22] <user|36858> card
[20:22] <sintre> do you have a different hdd you can throw in there
[20:22] <sintre> that may be culprit
[20:23] <user|36858> i tried memtest... no errors
[20:23] <sintre> doesn't matter
[20:23] <user|36858> i have multiple hdd's and one ssd
[20:23] <sintre> i've had failed hard dtives that pass tests before
[20:23] <sintre> ok now were got some info
[20:23] <sintre> i'd disconnect all but one that you want to install to
[20:23] <sintre> if they're currently in desktop
[20:24] <sintre> this if of course if you want to continue
[20:24] <sintre> with this quest of sorts
[20:24] <sintre> only thing i can think of
[20:24] <user|36858> well I NEED to install something :?
[20:24] <user|36858> im going to disconnect all drives besides the ssd
[20:25] <sintre> ok sounds like a pan :)
[20:25] <user|36858> but doesnt the installer run in RAM?
[20:25] <sintre> live image does yes
[20:25] <sintre> i don't get this either
[20:25] <sintre> only thing we can do now is throw stuff at the wall and hope it works
[20:26] <sintre> if all other distros have same problem
[20:26] <sintre> and you have a dead box atm
[20:26] <sintre> nothing to lose right?
[20:29] <user|36858> i give up
[20:29] <user|36858> :(
[20:29] <sintre> :( sry man
[20:30] <sintre> well worst advice is , use one of the win10 loops holes
[20:30] <user|36858> gonna give it a rest for now
[20:30] <sintre> and download that see if it works
[20:31] <BluesKaj> make sure the drive you want is first in the boot sequence in your efi/bios, user|36858
[20:31] <sintre> he can't get any installer to complete
[20:31] <sintre> :(
[20:31] <sintre> even on other distros
[20:32] <sintre> so somewhere a hardware issue i believe
[20:32] <user|36858> Pulled out all of one stick of ram and installer is stable
[20:32] <user|36858> I mean I only left one stick of ram
[20:32] <sintre> um what light?
[20:33] <sintre> we may get an install?
[20:33] <user|36858> I have somewhat modern MB and it has dual channel
[20:33] <BluesKaj> like i said above , the installer has to be able to see the partition it's installing to , no matter which OPS
[20:33] <BluesKaj> OPS=OS
[20:33] <sintre> user> most use duel chanel or are capable of it
[20:33] <user|36858> SYSTEM IS STABLE
[20:33] <sintre> duel synch i think is tgtech term
[20:33] <user|36858> :0
[20:33] <sintre> ok so something up with ram
[20:34] <sintre> not playing nice with each other
[20:34] <sintre> , that for later now lets get you updated atleast
[20:34] <BluesKaj> gotta go...bbl
[20:34] <sintre> c ya blues
[20:34] <sintre> how much is on that one stick?
[20:36] <user|36858> 6gb
[20:36] <sintre> more than enough , sure a pain
[20:36] <sintre> not using others
[20:36] <sintre> but lets get you running while its working hehe
[20:36] <sintre> my new lappy came with 4 , aded another 4 gig stick , concerned myself it wouldn't play nice
[20:36] <sintre> so far i'm lucky
[20:37] <sintre> ut yea for normal stuff 6 gis easily enough to cover you
[20:37] <sintre> once updated , we can work on getting you gfx card working
[20:37] <user|36858> ok....here we go
[20:38]  * sintre prays it boots
[20:48] <user|36858> should I do full disk encryption or just the home directory?
[20:48] <sintre> i'd just get it up atp
[20:49] <user|36858> I want / on ssd and /home on the hdd
[20:49] <sintre> not sure never sintalled ot multiple drives
[20:50] <sintre> maybe take a breather , sure there are guides
[20:50] <sintre> i'd personnally keep it on ssd , but i only have 1 hdd in all my computers
[20:50] <sintre> but at this point i wouldn't wanna try to make another problem to solve atm
[20:52] <sintre> well i should say ssd on all my computers
[20:53] <sintre> i'd kinda consider this a test install , until other stuff gets sorted out
[22:39] <Crashing> Hello guys, I been using Plasma (Kubuntu) but it keeps crashing for unknown reassons, I am not doing anything
[22:40] <Crashing> I am running live version now and it is still crashing time to time and relaunching the applications once again. The installer for the OS crashed just now also....
[22:44] <soee> what Plasma version ?
[22:47] <Crashing> plasmashell 5.5.5
[22:47] <Crashing> I am gonna try KDE Neon which have 5.8 and see if the same still happens, when I tried KDE Neon for half year ago I had the same problem
[23:02] <soee> Crashing: Kubuntu has Plasma 5.8
[23:02] <soee> add backports ppa and enjoy it :)
[23:03] <Crashing> Not accoriding to the LTS