[06:41] <superfly> Kilos: naand oom, ek gaan slaap
[06:41] <Kilos> lekker slaap superfly en groete tuis
[06:52] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[07:01] <magespawn> good morning all. happy new year.
[07:10] <theblazehen> Hi all
[08:00] <chesedo> good morning all and happy new year
[08:01] <chesedo> and hi Kilos thatgraemeguy magespawn theblazehen gremble
[08:01] <gremble> Good morning chesedo 
[08:01] <gremble> Happy new year to you too
[08:04] <theblazehen> hi chesedo. Happy new year
[08:54] <Kilos> hi there thatgraemeguy theblazehen chesedo gremble paddatrapper and of course inetpro and other lurkers
[08:54] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:55] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo 'lo
[09:26] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[09:26] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[09:27] <Kilos> hehe
[11:04] <Kilos> wbb trying to sort a large screen as second monitor
[11:04] <Kilos> could be a while it shows key lock and remote is long gone
[11:04] <Kilos> and away from the internet connection there
[11:20] <jerit_> my business partner is 2 months in arrears on my payments
[11:20] <jerit_> as a result I'm all ready to shut down everything until he pays (by shutdown I mean physically delete the files from the servers)
[11:21] <jerit_> The man has 6 hours
[11:21] <theblazehen> jerit_ How much files? You could make him pay an extra fee to bring him back up
[11:21] <theblazehen> You may want to consider a lawyer if you delete the files
[11:22] <theblazehen> I've heard of people successfully being sued after files got deleted due to non payment for services
[11:22] <Kilos> ai!stupidlappydoesnthave anhdmisocket
[11:22] <Kilos> oh   my
[11:22] <theblazehen> And a broken space key? lol
[11:22] <Kilos> space key faulty
[11:23] <Kilos> coupla whacks seem to have helped
[11:23] <Kilos> might be time for a spring clean
[11:23] <jerit_> theblazehen: if I just turn off the websites on the web servers he can turn them back on again. The only way I can ensure he has no recourse other than to pay me is to remove the files from the servers entirely
[11:23] <jerit_> that or I just move them to some nondescript arb location and put a holding page in place
[11:24] <theblazehen> jerit_ then make a backup and remove the files
[11:24] <theblazehen> But don't straight out delete them
[11:25] <jerit_> theblazehen: I have all the source code with me on my pc which he has no access to. To restore everything to proper working condition would be as simple as uploading it
[11:25] <theblazehen> Ah, great. No data stored there then?
[11:26] <jerit_> I can leave the database in tact
[11:26] <theblazehen> Cool
[11:28] <jerit_> all I'm talking about doing is removing him from his ability to access that data
[11:28] <Kilos> jerit_ cant you just encrypt them in place?
[11:28] <Kilos> im not clued up with that sort of issue
[11:32] <jerit_> Suppose I could write a condition in on the home page that it displays nothing while the condition is true... Even if he were to hire a developer to fix that he couldn't do it because its a published copy on the server... You'd have to update it on the source code and republish to get rid of it
[13:23] <MaNI> don't have all the info, but seems a bit unprofessional and borderline criminal to me, there is a thing called a court system to deal with non payments
[13:35] <chesedo> jerit_: why not just change the virtualHost file to point to a location saying that the site is off temp?
[13:36] <chesedo> you will then be able to use the same page for all non-paying clients
[13:38] <theblazehen> MaNI: +1
[13:39] <theblazehen> I love it when someones solution to a problem is "It should be a relatively simple patch to the kernel, have a look at thefile.c" :(
[13:40] <MaNI> always fun
[13:40] <MaNI> have a look at thefile.c, fix it, enter into a 5 year long flame war with linus to actually get the fix approved
[13:40] <MaNI> simple
[13:40] <theblazehen> Eh, I don't need it approved
[13:41] <theblazehen> I just need my data back :(
[13:41] <MaNI> ahh, not something you need permanently fixed, well thats a bonus
[13:41] <theblazehen> Yeah. And it should be a small change
[13:41] <MaNI> what happened to your data?
[13:42] <theblazehen> Corruption in bcache writeback cache, won't start the cache device so I can't write my data to disk
[13:42] <MaNI> oh, ouch
[13:42] <theblazehen> Most of it isn't important data
[13:43] <theblazehen> Just need to force bcache to ignore the corrupt buckets so I can restore the rest
[13:43] <theblazehen> Have around 40 GB dirty data on there :(
[13:44] <theblazehen> seems simple enough hopefully
[13:52] <jerit_> chesedo: I dunno ho.... oh in apache conf ... there's an idea but now what about on the windows server
[14:01] <chesedo> jerit_: i guess it would have the same kind of thing...
[14:01] <jerit_> seems to me it would just be a binding
[14:01] <jerit_> in iis
[14:29] <inetpro> Kilos: where's the rain?
[14:29] <Kilos> eish
[14:29] <Kilos> rather warm today a quick shower would be good imo
[14:30] <Kilos> shower from the sky that is
[15:03] <inetpro> for sure
[15:13] <jerit_> weather's been kinda gloomy all day here... it even rained
[15:47] <jerit_> Was going to make a Thai chicken curry for supper tonight but it turns out I'm retarded and I can't even shop for ingredients properly
[15:50] <smile4ever> lol
[15:51]  * jerit_ really doesn't think its funny
[15:52] <chesedo> lol
[15:57] <inetpro> jerit: chicken curry sounds like a nice idea
[15:57]  * inetpro should make that at some point
[16:02] <chesedo> jerit: don't you find iis slow?
[17:26]  * paddatrapper is just hungry....
[18:26] <magespawn> chat later all.
[18:51] <smile> hi :p
[19:15] <inetpro> smile: hi
[19:16] <smile> hallo :)
[19:16] <inetpro> how are you doing today?
[19:17] <smile> fine :) I checked my financial details, went to the carwash, went working, finished a WebExtension, merged FastNav changes in both varieties (addon / user script), made an expense report for my employer.. and more :D
[19:18] <smile> My car will receive maintenance in a week :)
[19:19] <inetpro> your life seems way to organised
[19:19] <smile> And now I'm trying to get hold of a Mozilla developer to help me :)
[19:19] <inetpro> too as well
[19:19] <smile> I sometimes have those days.. that I do what I had to do for weeks prior :p
[19:20] <smile> I sometimes also have days that I do nothing. Just reading and walking.
[19:20] <smile> How are you, inetpro ? :)
[19:20] <inetpro> good, good as well thanks
[19:21] <smile> how's the weather there? :)
[19:22] <inetpro> at least was able to replace two bulbs of the car all by myself today... 
[19:22]  * inetpro feeling chuffed
[19:23] <inetpro> actually not quite all by myself to be honest but almost
[19:23] <inetpro> weather was extremely hot today
[19:23] <smile> inetpro: good work! :)
[19:24] <inetpro> mechanics would have charged an arm and a leg for the labor
[19:24] <smile> yeah, car maintenance doesn't come cheap
[19:24] <smile> the road was very slippery today :p I was slipping with my car before I knew it :) Winter here.. :p
[19:26] <kulelu88> smile is too happy, must be newly relocated to London
[19:27] <inetpro> not sure why they make it so difficult but replacing the dim light bulb is quite a tough job
[19:27] <smile> kulelu88: london? :o 
[19:27] <kulelu88> or wherever it is winter there
[19:28] <smile> inetpro: yeah, I know.. even washing my car 100% perfect is difficult to get right :p 
[19:28] <Kilos-> hahahaha
[19:28] <smile> Belgium, kulelu88 ;)
[19:28] <smile> Yesterday I lived in the Netherlands, now I live in the UK
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos-: you should be impressed with inetpro
[19:28] <smile> Kilos- ?? :D
[19:28] <Kilos-> i am
[19:28] <inetpro> :-)
[19:28] <Kilos-> changed car globes
[19:28] <smile> I'm suspecting you, spreading false information, Kilos- 
[19:28] <Kilos-> holy moly
[19:28] <smile> ;)
[19:29] <Kilos-> haha smile
[19:29] <inetpro> that dim light cost me R5 to replace
[19:29] <smile> cheap
[19:29] <Kilos-> i have an excuse for forgetting
[19:29] <smile> :D
[19:29] <smile> Kilos-: excuses do not count :p 
[19:29] <Kilos-> always better to do what you can yourself inetpro 
[19:32] <smile> Kilos-: checkout the private message I've sent you
[19:32] <smile> :)
[19:33] <Kilos-> looking
[19:46] <inetpro> welcome back jerit
[19:49] <Kilos-> nice cool breeze blowing outside
[19:50] <Kilos-> actually wind
[19:53] <smile> bye! :)
[19:59] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:59] <inetpro> after all this time Tshwane's website still seems really difficult to navigate, at least for me
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos-: can you scroll to read contents on the following page? http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/Council/OfficeofSpeaker/Pages/Strategic-goals.aspx
[20:01] <inetpro> using Firefox and Chromium it is not scrolling for me
[20:02] <MaNI> wow what a mess
[20:03] <inetpro> when I resize the page I can see more info
[20:04] <Kilos-> checking
[20:04] <inetpro> getting difficult to read with a small text size
[20:04] <inetpro> or http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/Departments/Metro-Police/DriverLicenses/Pages/Drivers_Learners_and_Vehicle_information_Corner.aspx
[20:05] <Kilos> im there
[20:05] <Kilos> what must i do inetpro 
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: move up and down, does it look like you can see all info?
[20:06] <inetpro> MaNI: very messy indeed
[20:06] <Kilos> yes i see everything clearly i think
[20:06] <Kilos> where you see mess
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: try the 2nd link
[20:07] <kulelu88> it's not too bad. looks like some ASP CMS
[20:07] <kulelu88> needs SSL of course
[20:07] <kulelu88> probably outdated
[20:07] <inetpro> there should be two sets of 6 bullet points
[20:07] <Kilos> also fine
[20:07] <Kilos> what are 6 bullet points
[20:08] <kulelu88> those 6 ticks Kilos 
[20:08] <Kilos> at the top bar
[20:08] <inetpro> numbered lists... 1) something, 2) something else, 3) etc
[20:08] <inetpro> can you see all 12 bulletpoints?
[20:08] <Kilos> the links on left side work
[20:08] <inetpro> no man, the content
[20:09] <inetpro> info below "Drivers, Learners and Vehicle information Corner"
[20:09] <Kilos> sigh
[20:09] <Kilos> explain in mechanics language
[20:10] <kulelu88> oh wrong page
[20:10] <Kilos> i cant scroll in that one
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: the content is the stuff that is not part of the menus
[20:10] <Kilos> i see top 1/2 of the door
[20:10] <Kilos> everything below isnt showing
[20:11]  * inetpro rests his case
[20:11] <Kilos> who has to fix it?
[20:11] <kulelu88> the scroll is broken
[20:11] <inetpro> you probably need MSIE to read that
[20:11] <Kilos> complain
[20:11] <kulelu88> if it doesn't work on mobile browsers, that's all that matters
[20:11] <Kilos> what you wanna see there anyway
[20:12] <kulelu88> view the page source
[20:12] <inetpro> kulelu88: yuck!
[20:13] <MaNI> it's also incredibly slow 
[20:13] <inetpro> I got what I wanted, just thought maybe it was just me struggling to read that with NoScript and uBlock enabled
[20:13] <MaNI> but I'm not surprised by any of this, typical government junk
[20:14] <kulelu88> this is what R75 million websites gets you
[20:15] <MaNI> pretty much
[20:16] <MaNI> loads 20 seperate css files for that one page with 10 lines of text on it
[20:16] <MaNI> fairly impressive
[20:16] <kulelu88> thus, a CMS
[20:17] <kulelu88> loading from jquery.com and googles CDNs
[20:18] <MaNI> including one that returns a 404 not found ;)
[20:22] <inetpro> GENERATOR: Microsoft SharePoint
[20:24] <inetpro> Kilos: it's raining here now
[20:24] <Kilos> enjoy, we still got no clouds even
[20:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <inetpro> good night
[20:25] <MaNI> we have a giant black smoke cloud from the mountain burning :/
[20:26] <inetpro> yikes MaNI, still?
[20:27] <inetpro> they were talking about it this afternoon during the cricket match and IIRC also had it on the news this evening 
[20:27] <MaNI> yeah, somerset/sir lowrys fires looking pretty bad, wind is really strong so I'd be surprised if they can actually put it out
[20:32] <inetpro> oh btw, contents on those pages above can be read with a text browser
[20:32] <inetpro> after scrolling through a few pages of navigational links
[20:34] <jerit_> #WeAreANC where the service delivery is made up and the laws don't matter
[20:35] <kulelu88> that's like blaming the government for floods or drought jerit 
[20:36] <MaNI> DA area, in a DA province
[20:36] <MaNI> I for one am pretty sick of absolutely everything being blamed on the ANC, other parties are not as perfect as some would have you believe.
[20:37] <kulelu88> If the DA ever comes in to power, we will learn about their bad policies 
[20:37] <jerit_> MaNI, but I still vote DA anyway because hell, they can't possibly be worse, can they?
[20:38] <MaNI> Well they are in power in the western cape, I'm in a ward here where they got 98% of the vote, in a province where the DA is also in power. And when the rubbish delivery comes late I still see people blaiming the ANC
[20:39] <MaNI> Two weeks after the election I see people on facebook complaining about the councillor not doing his job, the same councilor that just got 98% of the vote from them... And these same people then complain that ANC votes should stop voting for the ANC and then complaining about it
[20:39] <MaNI> Blind supporters who vote without thinking on both sides of the fence, so sad
[20:39] <kulelu88> MaNI: that is precisely how politics in this country works
[20:39] <jerit_> The most impartial way I can put my view on the matter is that its simply time for another party to take the lead here. I'd say ANC has had more than their fair share and the country by and large has suffered for it
[20:40] <kulelu88> you can't be impartial if you blame the ANC for raging fires during the dry season in a province experiencing drought that is RUN by the DA :P
[20:40] <MaNI> My view on the matter is that if (sorry not if when) another party takes power, and has no opposition (which is whats going to happen) they will be just like the ANC, possibly a bit better, but only marginally
[20:41] <MaNI> until there is a huge shift in mindset this will continue.
[20:42] <MaNI> people vote out of fear/hate/other stupid reasons, instead of based on actual service delivery or facts, and this is a recipe for disaster, the average voter (both DA and ANC) is ill-informed and has no idea what they are voting for
[20:42] <kulelu88> the politics here isn't much different to the rest of the world. people still mostly vote on race, etc.
[20:42] <MaNI> do I think the DA is better than the ANC, yes a little bit but not nearly as much as some like to think, and as they grow they will be more corrupted and less efficient
[20:42] <MaNI> by the time they beat the ANC they will have essentially become the ANC
[20:44] <inetpro> ai!
[20:44] <MaNI> 98% of the vote - and still the people here vote for a councillor they hate - because and I quote "the only other option is voting for the ANC and if I don't vote for the DA the ANC will win"  (there were at least 20 other options they could have voted for)
[20:44] <inetpro> politics = touchy subject
[20:45] <MaNI> yep indeed
[20:45] <inetpro> "Some topics are controversial and often end in fighting. Some examples of touchy subjects are war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide"
[20:45] <kulelu88> essentially any topic inetpro 
[20:45] <jerit_> used to only be religion and politics that you couldn't talk about
[20:46] <jerit_> nowadays you just have to say the word "cismale" in a the right group and you'll instantly start a flame war
[20:47] <inetpro> please remain respectful 
[20:49] <kulelu88> what's cismale?
[20:49] <kulelu88> ok nvm
[21:02] <jerit_> inetpro: who wasn't respectful?
[21:12] <jerit_> allo SilverCode