[00:13] <mr-robot> hey
[00:13] <lasersaber> hello friend
[00:13] <mr-robot> how are you?
[00:14] <mr-robot> hay
[00:14] <lasersaber> i'm good Elliot, how have you been?
[00:14] <bazhang> ubuntu support issue mr-robot ?
[00:14] <mr-robot> ouu you know me i m fine thanks
[00:14] <lasersaber> mr-robot, join #ubuntu-offtopic for off topic chat
[00:15] <lasersaber> this a help channel support
[00:15] <lasersaber> unless you u need ubuntu help
[00:17] <mr-robot> do you know how to hack IPhone without Armitage?
[00:17] <bazhang> mr-robot, thats not topical here
[00:17] <mr-robot> I know
[00:18] <bazhang> mr-robot, so please dont ask here
[00:18] <lasersaber> mr-robot, type join #hackers
[00:18] <mr-robot> so i know now the Ip from the most peoples and i can hack you with armitage
[00:19] <MarkB2> Hello.  Might someone know how to install Ubuntu onto (into?) an Intel Joule with an attached USB hard disk drive?
[00:19] <bazhang> mr-robot, please stop asking here
[00:19] <lasersaber> mr-robot, best use ArchBlack, now leave. thanks!
[00:20] <mr-robot> i m just kidding
[00:21] <sasi> anyone from India?
[00:21] <bazhang> mr-robot, please take the chit chat to another place
[00:39] <noncom|2> I have a problem on Ubuntu -- after I install an application, it gets uninstalled by itself after some time... what could that be?
[00:40] <noncom|2> namely, I am installing Emacs 25.1.1 by instructions from the websire
[00:40] <noncom|2> *website
[00:40] <noncom|2> and it installs ok, and I can use it
[00:40] <noncom|2> after some time it disappears from the menus and "emacs does not work in bash"
[00:41] <Flannel> noncom|2: Which instructions?
[00:42] <noncom|2> Flannel: precisely these: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/09/install-gnu-emacs-25-1-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[00:42] <noncom|2> like, i do "./configure" then "make" then "checkinstall"
[00:43] <noncom|2> arfter several hours Emacs is gone
[00:43] <Flannel> noncom|2: is emacs currently "gone"?
[00:44] <noncom|2> yes, it is gone in the sense that the icon on the desktop (LXDE over RDP) changed to a generic icon (a gear) and can't start Emacs anymore, also bash "emacs" does not work, BUT
[00:44] <CodeMouse92> noncom|2: This is a massively stupid question, but you are NOT running the last instruction, "sudo dpkg -r emacs-25", right?
[00:44] <noncom|2> but emacs is running! because I did not close it from before.
[00:44] <Flannel> noncom|2: ok.
[00:44] <noncom|2> CodeMouse92: ahaha :D yeah, sure, I did not :)
[00:44] <noncom|2> but thanks for checking anyway :)
[00:44] <CodeMouse92> noncom|2: Good, just checking. :)
[00:45] <Flannel> noncom|2: ok, can you please pastebin the output of `which emacs` and `dpkg -l | grep emacs`
[00:49] <Anthaas> What is the easiest way to take the contents of a machine running Ubuntu and clone it to a VM (VirtualBox for example)
[00:49] <lucas-arg> hello im on gnome and cant make gnome use YCbCr444 colorspace in System Settings > Color i dont see any YCbCr444 option
[00:50] <noncom|2> Flannel: here it is: http://pastebin.com/MmDhmEK7
[00:50] <Flannel> noncom|2: and `which emacs`?
[00:50] <noncom|2> I must also say that I did "apt-get upgrade" some time ago, and it installed Emacs 24
[00:50] <noncom|2> which emacs does not return anything
[00:50] <Flannel> ok.
[00:50] <noncom|2> doing "emacs" in bash says "can't find emacs"
[00:51] <Flannel> noncom|2: I was looking at those instructions, and I didn't see it *installing* the deb package anywhere.  As far as I know, checkinstall creates a deb package, but doesn't install it.
[00:51] <noncom|2> hmmm
[00:51] <Flannel> noncom|2: so, try installing the deb package checkinstall created :)
[00:51] <Flannel> see if that works
[00:52] <noncom|2> but you see, after I executed it, it created a group in the "Start" menu or whatever it is called in LXDE and I was able to put the Emacs icon on the desktop
[00:52] <noncom|2> how did that work then... ?
[00:52] <StrifeTacDefuzer> Which way did the circus go
[00:53] <Flannel> noncom|2: Checkinstall does run make install, so I suppose that's what put those files there (and must not have cleaned up properly?)
[00:53] <noncom|2> soo... it did install Emacs?
[00:53] <noncom|2> or did not?
[00:53] <noncom|2> I am confused..
[00:54] <CodeMouse92> noncom|2: Flannel is saying that it probably *didn't*. It built the package, but it never installed the package
[00:54] <Flannel> noncom|2: checkinstall runs make install, but keeps track of all the files created and packages.
[00:54] <noncom|2> ummm okay... still I don't get how did it turn out for the program to appear registered in the system and then disappear
[00:55] <Flannel> noncom|2: so, during the "make install", it does technically, and then it gets rid of them.  I always thought it did the make install in some sort of sandbox.  Maybe not everything is properly sandboxed.
[00:55] <Flannel> noncom|2: checkinstall does *not* install the deb, as far as I'm aware.
[00:56] <noncom|2> omg so it kinda checks up the installation capability, but does not actually install an app by erasing it back after it checks, but something went wrong and it did not uninstall it completely, aaaand the instruction I posted says that this is the way to install Emacs?
[00:56] <StrifeTacDefuzer> come on microshat says... just blame GNu
[00:56] <Flannel> noncom|2: the instructions don't tell you to install the deb, and I believe that's an omission.  So yes, if you ran those, you wouldn't actually have the deb installed (therefore wouldn't have whatever was in the deb installed)
[00:57] <StrifeTacDefuzer> goooglecolbert linus say... JUst blame open seeders
[00:57] <noncom|2> damn, this story worth a drama movie.. :D
[00:57] <noncom|2> or a book..
[00:58] <StrifeTacDefuzer> dont make me get in your way. i can be very very, subdueing
[00:59] <Guest69537> where can i find a good video tutorial on eclipse C++ game development?
[01:01] <lasersaber> Guest61107, youtube?
[01:01] <nvrpunk> anyone know if there's a dedicated channel for Ubuntu on windows via WSL?
[01:02] <noncom|2> Flannel: well, I did that: "dpkg -i ***.deb" and it installed it. again... I think the world can sleep peacefully, once again safe for a while... and I hope that the while will last longer this time.. thank you!
[01:05] <greyoda> Hi, quick question: what fonts do you guys use?
[01:05] <CodeMouse92> greyoda: Going out on a limb, I think that'd be considered an offtopic question (try #ubuntu-offtopic)....
[01:06] <CodeMouse92> Since this room is just for support.
[01:06] <greyoda> Sorry! Didn't realize that. My bad
[01:06] <CodeMouse92> greyoda: NP. Come over to #ubuntu-offtopic. Fairly sure you'll get an answer
[01:06] <dax> (they'll need to log in to NickServ first)
[01:07] <mr-robot> hey
[01:07] <mr-robot> i need help
[01:08] <Bashing-om> !help | mr-robot
[01:14] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[01:14] <Cust0sLimen> is there an alternative to launchpad for free hosting of repos like ppas ?
[01:22] <dfgas> hello
[01:23] <NegativeFlare> Cust0sLimen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/367147/how-to-host-a-repository-like-ppa-in-my-own-site
[01:23] <avenger_q> MY COCK IS SO HARD BUT IT IS STILL SMALL FOR LINUX FROST
[01:23] <Cust0sLimen> NegativeFlare, nah nvm ... there is packagecloud
[01:23] <avenger_q> !ops
[01:23] <avenger_q> MY COCK IS SO HARD BUT IT IS STILL SMALL FOR LINUX FROST
[01:24] <dfgas> ok, on a ubuntu install that i have i went from 14.04 to 16.04 and my network doesn't work. i did do a ifup ens18 and configured the interfaces file instead of eth0 it is now ens18. well doing the ifup got me to be able to ping ip address but not domains. i edited resolv.conf and still doesn't work. any ideas on what i can do?
[01:24] <Cust0sLimen> I don't want to host it myself but I don't want to put it on launchpad with their stupid code of conduct
[01:24] <dfgas> this is ubuntu server
[01:24] <NegativeFlare> heh, its not really stupid. Its just how things work.
[01:25] <bazhang> Cust0sLimen, thats not really topical here at all
[01:25] <dax> the only code of conduct on Launchpad is for work within Ubuntu, it's got nothing whatsoever to do with PPAs
[01:25] <Cust0sLimen> dax, ok thanks for info
[01:26] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, I think the way networking is done changed quite drastically between those two versions ... but not 100% on details
[01:27] <dfgas> yeah, its kind of what i figured. i just need to get it fixed for temp use
[01:27] <rijack> is snap supposed to replace apt?
[01:28] <newcoder> Why are there so many ubuntu based linu distribution there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#Ubuntu-based , isn't it confusing? Which one will someone select from there and why instead of ubuntu then?
[01:29] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, well this person fixed it by switching to networkd: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767574/no-network-after-upgrade-to-16-04
[01:29] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, but I don't think that is really right
[01:29] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, can you check if networkd is running ?
[01:30] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, actually check if networkd or networkmanager is running
[01:30] <rijack> newcoder: the same reason so many are based on debian, this is actually considered one of the great strengths of linux
[01:30] <dfgas> how would i check that?
[01:31] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, systemctl list-units | grep -i -e networkd -e networkmanager
[01:32] <CodeMouse92> newcoder: You can think of Linux like the LEGO of operating systems...you can put it together with the pieces you want. A lot of people like the basic components of Ubuntu under the hood, but they want different parts on top (i.e. the user interface, window system, etc).
[01:32] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, or even better, systemctl list-units | tee >( nc termbin.com 9999 )
[01:33] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, then paste url
[01:34] <newcoder> CodeMouse92: What is LEGO? Why can't they install user interface, window system or else they need?
[01:34] <Cust0sLimen> newcoder, that lists xubuntu and kubuntu and IMO those are not really different distros
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> newcoder: Because people like things to be pre-packaged and pre-designed to work well together.
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> newcoder: And LEGOs are building toys. (Google it)
[01:36] <Cust0sLimen> dfgas, ?
[01:36] <CodeMouse92> newcoder: You can theoretically take any Linux distro, at any level, and tailor it to have everything you want...it's just a question of how much work you want to put into it. You could install Ubuntu and then set it up with Cinnamon and a bunch of other codecs and applications...or you could just install Linux Mint.
[01:36] <CodeMouse92> Besides that, if you do it yourself, you'll have to untangle more snarls and problems yourself. :P
[01:53] <freefall> hi.. problem.. after doing os upgrade for lubuntu some of the menu items are not there. like the software & updates is gone..
[01:53] <freefall> going from 16.04 to 16.10
[01:55] <freefall> it did error on update near the end for lubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <freefall> ??
[02:05] <rijack> freefall try #lubuntu
[02:07] <freefall> already have no answer
[02:07] <freefall> figure seen lubuntu and ubuntu is near the same maybe there was a common fix
[02:16] <ubuntu691> im doing a backup system using grsync - how is grsync so crazy fast at copying files vs using copy/paste?
[02:18] <rohanrhu> hi
[02:18] <mukluks> ubuntu691: because it checks to see what data doesn't need to be copied [hasn't changed]
[02:18] <mukluks> rohanrhu: o hai
[02:19] <ubuntu691> well this is my first backup... but it's just copied a bunch of files very quickly.
[02:19] <lasersaber> what happned to users and groups in 16.04? now its just users?
[02:19] <ubuntu691> it's hit a bit of a wall at the moment
[02:19] <rohanrhu> if i add bakcport repo and upgrade only a package, is it need something like "dist-upgrade"?
[02:19] <rohanrhu> i dont want dist-upgrade
[02:20] <mukluks> lasersaber: hmmm what happens if you do: cat /etc/group
[02:20] <rohanrhu> or i dont want upgrading everything to 17.04
[02:20] <mukluks> or do: ls -la
[02:21] <lasersaber> mukluks, i get a list of groups it looks like
[02:21] <mikeymop> I cloned this repo to my ~/.themes folder
[02:21] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | rohanrhu
[02:21] <mikeymop> however unity tweak cannot see it
[02:21] <mikeymop> https://github.com/bsundman/Yosembiance/
[02:22] <lasersaber> mukluks, i wanted to use a gui groups management
[02:22] <mikeymop> could this be permissions? I wasn't sudo when I copied/cloned
[02:22] <mukluks> rohanrhu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports has a guide
[02:22] <qz_> happy new year
[02:22] <mukluks> rohanrhu: specifically: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Configuring_Backports_for_Manual_Install
[02:22] <rohanrhu> thank you
[02:23] <mukluks> lasersaber: why?
[02:24] <lasersaber> mukluks, easier for me
[02:24] <lasersaber> but i guess i can just sudo adduser someuser somegroup
[02:25] <Conner05> I installed some gfx drivers on my new Ubuntu system (Dell 7559). Now after decrypt the drive I get a black screen and cannot do anything.
[02:25] <mikeymop> Conner05, nvidia?
[02:25] <Conner05> Yep
[02:26] <mikeymop> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:26] <mikeymop> i've had good luck with this ppa
[02:26] <mikeymop> dkms recompiles hte modules after kernel updates
[02:26] <mukluks> lasersaber: no offense, but typically when someone mistakenly thinks their installation has no groups, and then when told they do have groups they respond saying they want a GUI to edit those groups, I would assume they might not have a full understanding of what role those groups play in the operation of their system
[02:26] <mikeymop> i dont recall the package name but if you can apt remove them you should get X back
[02:26] <mikeymop> otherwise just install that ppa
[02:27] <Conner05> Mikeymop but I can't see anything.
[02:27] <mikeymop> can anyone help me get unity tweak to see my gtk themes?
[02:27] <mikeymop> Conner05, oh, i assumed you'd be fine in the terminal
[02:27] <mikeymop> do you recall the packages you installed?
[02:27] <mikeymop> you're going to have to apt-get purge them
[02:27] <Conner05> I can't see the terminal
[02:27] <freefall> also anyone able to get backports to compile now im getting error in the make build process.. kinda need it to work seen i got a flaky wifi card
[02:27] <mikeymop> Conner05, do ctrl + alt + f4
[02:28] <lasersaber> mukluks, no worries. i just wanted to add myself to vboxusers group
[02:28] <mikeymop> you should get tty4 from which you can sign into unix
[02:28] <sruli> Conner05: what do you get with CTRL+ALT+F1 ?
[02:28] <rohanrhu> is it recoverable adding backport repository?
[02:28] <freefall> no downloaded from kernel.org
[02:28] <Conner05> Ah and just assume it's there. OK
[02:28] <Conner05> Sruli nothing. Still black
[02:29] <sruli> Conner05: what about moving your arrow keys right or left?
[02:29] <mukluks> rohanrhu: it can be painful removing all the backport dependency packages you've installed and reverting them to main release versions
[02:29] <freefall> i have to rebuild it on every kernel update otherwise my wifi card goes into a crazy error state and flood out tty1
[02:30] <mukluks> rohanrhu: but yes, everything is recoverable, it just depends on how much time/money you want to spend fixing it :P
[02:30] <freefall> it onboard
[02:31] <lasersaber> brb, rebooting
[02:31] <Conner05> Sruli there's nothing on the screen. It's completely black with my led backlight.
[02:32] <sruli> Conner05: you'll have to boot in rescue mode or with live cd
[02:32] <mikeymop> ^^
[02:32] <Conner05> Sob.. what's the audio shutdown CMD?
[02:32] <mikeymop> the hdmi port could be hooked to the intel chip instead
[02:32] <Conner05> Sudo
[02:32] <Conner05> Sudo*
[02:32] <mikeymop> this would cause confusion
[02:33] <icedwater> Hi everyone, I can't seem to get gnome-terminal to start. Does anybody know where I can look for error messages from this?
[02:33] <mikeymop> is there a better channel to get support with themes?
[02:33] <freefall> icedwater, try /var/log
[02:33] <freefall> icedwater, try /var/logs
[02:33] <mukluks> icedwater: you could install another terminal and try launching gnome-term from that
[02:34] <mikeymop> icedwater, give us the less of the .desktop file for gnome term
[02:34] <mukluks> xterm may already be installed
[02:34] <icedwater> freefall: thanks, I think the message I was looking for was in syslog, I just didn't know it was that because I was unable to reproduce the message.
[02:34]  * mikeymop forgets that convenient pastebin alternative
[02:34] <mjson> hi
[02:34] <icedwater> mukluks: yes, it is already installed and I just remembered that, thanks :)
[02:34] <icedwater> mikeymop: I like ix.io
[02:35] <freefall> would the backports from update build the needed wifi? or is it just the source file
[02:36] <Bashing-om> Conner05: Try : reboot to the login screen, here press ctl+alt+F1 . Can you log into the system here ?
[02:37] <sruli> Bashing-om: you cant get tty from plymoth
[02:37] <Bashing-om> sruli: Are you sure ? Try and be a believer .
[02:38] <mikeymop> icedwater, this is nice!
[02:40] <sruli> Bashing-om: just tried, while in plymoth it seems to be tty1, f1-f7 give black screen
[02:40] <sruli> Bashing-om: sorry, f2-f7 black screen, f1 is plymoth screen
[02:40] <icedwater> mikeymop: I know, right? :P Where would I find the .desktop file for gnome-terminal? I'm getting an odd locale error, too, hang on...
[02:40] <icedwater> sruli: black screens are nice if they have login prompts.
[02:41] <mikeymop> icedwater, you're ubuntu gnome or ubuntu unity?
[02:41] <icedwater> mikeymop: Using unity, unfortunately.
[02:41] <mikeymop> I'm on unity too, thankfully
[02:41] <mikeymop> let me poke around for a sec
[02:41] <sruli> icedwater: yes, but you wont get it in plymoth, if you hit the left/right arrow you get plymoth text istead of gui but wont get you to a root shell
[02:42]  * mikeymop got yosembiance working, from noobslabs ppa, but wishes to use the git clone 
[02:43] <icedwater> sruli: what do you mean by plymouth text?
[02:43] <icedwater> I get Ubuntu 16.04 $hostname $tty (newline, newline) $hostname login:
[02:44] <icedwater> Then I just log in from there to a user that has sudo access, and run sudo bash to get to root access.
[02:44] <icedwater> I think ubuntu doesn't have root logins by default; if you configured an account at install time then you could use it, though
[02:45] <sruli> icedwater: http://imgur.com/a/dEoBI gui and text
[02:45] <sruli> icedwater: plymoth is the screen you get at boot when using luks
[02:46] <mikeymop> icedwater, $ less /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop
[02:48] <Conner05> Bashing-om after I decrypt the disk it's just black. Nothing. I tried opening terminal and doing a sudo restart and it doesn't do anything. So I'm not really sure what's actually going on.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> sruli: I do not know about encryption, but in a "normal" install one can at this point( plymouth starting) activate grub to get a mimimalistic interface to the system .
[02:48] <sruli> Conner05: when you reboot do you get a screen with boot options? (ubuntu, advanced options...
[02:49] <icedwater> sruli: saw it. Thanks. Never seen that screen before.
[02:49] <mikeymop> Conner05, maybe it's deep in your init system that it's failing to exec the nvidia binaries
[02:49] <mikeymop> icedwater, $ less /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop
[02:50] <sruli> Bashing-om: correct, not in luks though if i understood correctly conner is saying that he is using luks
[02:50] <Conner05> Luks?
[02:50] <sruli> Conner05: you said the black screen appears after encryption password, correct?
[02:51] <Bashing-om> Conner05: Not at all familiar or know anything about encryption . If you can not get a terminal from the login screen, ya got a serious problem more so than graphics . As at this pount the GUI graphics driver is not loaded .
[02:51] <Conner05> Sruli the disk, yes
[02:51] <icedwater> mikeymop: ix.io/1P07 is the .desktop file
[02:51] <sruli> Conner05: when you reboot do you get a screen with boot options? (ubuntu, advanced options...
[02:52] <mikeymop> icedwater, well that matches mine
[02:52] <Conner05> Sruli no. I just get the screen where I decrypt the disk (I chose disk encryption when I created the system) and then it just goes black.
[02:52] <mikeymop> whats the ls -l on it look like? permission issues maybe/
[02:52] <Conner05> After I type in the password of course
[02:53] <icedwater> mikeymop: let me check again. I saw some locale issues somewhere in syslog.
[02:53] <sruli> Conner05: reboot when you get to the plymoth password page hit ctrl+alt+del, that reboot should get you to boot options... select adavanced
[02:54] <Conner05> OK
[02:54] <Conner05> Sruli OK I'm there
[02:54] <sruli> select recovery
[02:55] <sruli> Conner05: "recovery mode"
[02:55] <Conner05> OK.
[02:56] <sruli> Conner05: `after entering encryption password when you get to next screen select "root" option
[02:58] <mikeymop> icedwater, i have to get in the habit of looking in syslog
[02:58] <Mis-anthrope> is there a way to close a "stuck" virtual terminal?
[02:58] <icedwater> Yeah, the next step is to make sense of what's in there.... :p
[02:59] <sruli> Conner05: where ar you upto?
[02:59] <Mis-anthrope> like I have my X freezed up in once console (I used startx from 1st virtual console) and now I want to close it from another VC
[02:59] <Mis-anthrope> one*
[02:59] <Conner05> OK
[02:59] <Mis-anthrope> I am using Ubuntu Server 16.04
[02:59] <Conner05> I'm at root now
[03:00] <Conner05> Sorry. I'm on kiwiirc on my phone. Hard to see all the text
[03:00] <sruli> Conner05: you selected root? you have command lin enow?
[03:01] <Mis-anthrope> I just need to close a virtual console(ergo "logout" from it) from another virtual console... is that possible??????
[03:01] <Conner05> Well I did. Now it just started spitting out stuff and put my back to the screen to select root with the purple background. But my mouse keys down work now.
[03:02] <Conner05> Don't work*
[03:02] <sruli> Conner05: you mouse wont work in root shell, type "ls" hit enter, what do you get?
[03:03] <sruli> Conner05: do you get a list of directories?
[03:03] <Conner05> Not mouse. Arrow keys
[03:04] <sruli> Conner05: you waited too long, hit the enter key.. what do you get?
[03:04] <Conner05> I restarted and I'm back
[03:04] <Conner05> Yes I can LS and stuff
[03:04] <sruli> you have root shell, "root@...."?
[03:04] <Conner05> Yea
[03:05] <sruli> Conner05: now execute, "mount -o remount,rw /"
[03:05] <Conner05> OK done
[03:05] <Conner05> And it just killed my session again
[03:05] <sruli> Conner05: hit enter ewhat do you get?
[03:06] <Conner05> Nothing happened but it started spitting out more text with lots of [ OK]s and now my arrow keys don't work again.
[03:07] <Conner05> And I'm back at the menu screen
[03:07] <Bashing-om> Mis-anthrope: Try ' ps aux | grep -i tty ' Do you now know the PID of the TTY to kill ? then one can ' sudo kill -9 <PID_number> ' .
[03:07] <Mis-anthrope> ik
[03:07] <sruli> Conner05: are you on 16.04?
[03:07] <Mis-anthrope> I figured it out :D
[03:07] <Conner05> Yes
[03:08] <Mis-anthrope> Thanks Bashing-om :)
[03:08] <Mis-anthrope> I used ps -aux to see a list of processes to figure out whats the PID of xinit and then I killed it using kill :D
[03:08] <sruli> Conner05: when you select root from the menu do you get a message "control D for maintaince"?
[03:09] <Bashing-om> Mis-anthrope: :) . You do good work .
[03:09] <Conner05> Woah. So I started typing and the CMD line is still there. It just now shows up over top of the menu screen.
[03:09] <Mis-anthrope> It was trivial.. and I am a noob :/
[03:10] <icedwater> mikeymop: anyhow, I'm looking into dbus-launch and stuff based on http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=208069
[03:10] <sruli> Conner05: great i got you to a shell.. dont know how to resolve your driver issue.. maybe Bashing-om / mikeymop can take over from here
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Mis-anthrope: Weclome to the learning curve, we are all at some point on it :)
[03:11] <Conner05> I guess I can uninstall the Nvidia drivers I installed
[03:11] <sruli> Conner05: actually before you continue, when you execute ls do you get a list of all dirs in your / dir ?
[03:11] <Conner05> It's all hidden dir in root
[03:12] <sruli> Conner05: what do you see?
[03:13] <icedwater> Interesting, I can't even set-locale to C
[03:13] <Conner05> .Cache .Dbus. .Gconf .Gnupg .Gvfs .Profile .bash_histroy .Bashrc
[03:14] <rohanrhu> mukluks: :/
[03:15] <rohanrhu> mukluks: i had tried upgrading to 17.10 but it was disappointment
[03:15] <sruli> Conner05: you are going to have to reboot again, after selecting "root" from the menu, you should get a message "Control-D for maintaince" hit enter immediately else it goes into maintaince
[03:15] <icedwater> mukluks: I suppose you meant 16.10...
[03:16] <Conner05> Sruli I am pretty sure I did that.
[03:16] <sruli> Conner05: once in the root shell you have to execute "mount -o remount,rw /" to mount the filesystem as read write, when you exec "ls" at root shell you should see all dirs from / (bin, boot, dev. etc. home....)
[03:17] <rohanrhu> what difference is kubuntu-backports vs ubuntu-backports?
[03:18] <Conner05> Oh OK. Let me try again.
[03:18] <Bashing-om> Conner05: Any results : ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 ' ?
[03:20] <Conner05> Bashing-om temp failure in name resolution
[03:20] <Conner05> Sruli the mount didn't work. Is there any way to know for sure I am in fact in maintenance mode?
[03:21] <sruli> Conner05: you dont want maintaince mode, what do you see when exec ls ?
[03:22] <Conner05> Sruli I get nothing from LS. Only from LL.
[03:22] <Conner05> So I guess I need to restart again?
[03:22] <sruli> Conner05: you see same as you saw before?
[03:22] <Conner05> Yes
[03:22] <sruli> Conner05: output of "pwd" ?
[03:23] <sruli> Conner05: sorry, go up a dir (cd ..) then exec ls
[03:23] <Conner05> Ah now that looks better
[03:23] <Conner05> Def in root now
[03:24] <sruli> Conner05: exec "mount | grep root" do you see rw on the output?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> Conner05: Ooopppss .. systemd. If you are active in the recovery console will have to enable networking .
[03:25] <mikeymop> icedwater, best of luck, bedtime
[03:26] <Conner05> Says /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root on / type ext4 (RW,relative,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
[03:27] <sruli> Conner05: you are good to go.. follow Bashing-om instructions now.. see his last message regarding starting network
[03:28] <sruli> systemctl start NetworkManager.service
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Conner05: ' systemctl enable NetworkManager.service ; systemctl start NetworkManager.service ' . You get a positive result from ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[03:30] <Conner05> Trying
[03:34] <Conner05> The enable of the service is taking a long time.
[03:34] <Conner05> Lol says kthread starved for 1001 jiffies!
[03:35]  * lasersaber :)
[03:46] <slicktux> Hello community, anyone here custom compile there own kernel for ubuntu?
[03:46] <slicktux> s/there/their
[03:47] <slicktux> Also, what makes Ubuntu LTS, well, LTS? Is it simply the kernel version for which the packages are compiled for the kernel, or does the kernel change for LTS versions of Ubuntu?
[03:48] <tinfoil_hat> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Traditional_compilation should be a good starting point if you want to compile a kernel
[03:49] <sruli> slicktux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[03:50] <tinfoil_hat> and LTS versions of ubuntu get several years of support while the support if non LTS versions is dropped relativeley quick
[03:55] <slicktux> sruli: thank you for the URL; I have Ubuntu version 16.04.1 LTS with kernel 4.4, so that means that 16.04.1LTS will have support for 5 years and in those 5 yearts it will remain with kernel 4.4; if that is correct then it means that LTS updates the packages which are catered for kernel version 4.4 for thoe 5 years?
[03:56] <Australopithecus>  Hello my windows partition is mounting as read only can someone give me fstab mount options that will give me permission to read and write to it?
[03:56] <Australopithecus> i am on ubuntu-mate 16.1
[03:57] <sruli> slicktux: yes.. obviously there are kernel updates within 4.4 also i guess this will apply to 16.04 when 18.04 is released https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[03:58] <wiselydoesit> i managed to change my repos from 14.04 to 16.04 and dist-upgrade.
[03:58] <wiselydoesit> after a couple of botched starts and a few fixes it got there in the end.
[03:59] <sruli> Australopithecus: did you take a look at this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions ?
[04:00] <deus402> so i am periodically losing all remote access to my server for 30-60 minutes at a time. when it comes back i see messages of this nature in dmesg: "[20862.385796] TCP: request_sock_TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 8080. Sending cookies.  Check SNMP counters." on multiple ports. here is my output of netstat -s: http://pastebin.com/yc0vDc3e halp please.
[04:00] <slicktux> sruli: Awesome, this is very helpful as I am going to be compiling my own custom kernel. . .and well I want to be able to use the packages in the ubuntu repo without errors. Here goes nothing. . .
[04:00] <slicktux> ;)
[04:01] <Australopithecus> thanks I will look at the article blah
[04:01] <Australopithecus> this shouldnt be such a bitch
[04:02] <slicktux> Australopithecus: yes, it != if only you RTFM
[04:02] <sruli> slicktux: i never compiled my own kernel and wouldn’t know how updates will effect as there is a minor kernel update every few weeks
[04:05] <sruli> slicktux: in 4.4 there has already been 16 updates.. dont know how many of them actually get installed on dist-upgrade but some for sure do.. look for "linux-image-4.4" here http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[04:05] <Australopithecus> slicktux, you shouldnt have to read a manual to edit a disks read and write options, but I will admit, ubuntu has got better at least the allow you to easily automount drives now
[04:07] <Australopithecus> yes, it not if only you RTFM, doesnt make grammatical sense
[04:07] <Guest81572> bazhang: simply question, ARE YOU A FAGGOT?
[04:07] <icedwater> Heh, I didn't even get to say goodbye :P
[04:08] <icedwater> bazhang: quick work
[04:09] <Mr_Cyclops> Interesting, people using foul language in the channel and no warnings from the admin(s)?
[04:10] <slicktux> Australopithecus: you should always be cautious when doing something 'simple' like mounting a partition from another OS, and it is not that you should read the manual, but rather that it is for the best; take this for example. . . https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2016/11/17/do-not-change-linux-files-using-windows-apps-and-tools/
[04:10] <icedwater> Heh, meta trolls. Not bad, not bad.
[04:10] <slicktux> anyhow I will not waste yer time with my criticism.
[04:10] <Australopithecus> I am aware of this, but windows is typically alright for read/write, at least in my experience
[04:11] <Australopithecus> I am well aware you should not edit linux partitions under windows or any other operating system
[04:12] <Australopithecus> im not inept, just annoyed because I cant find a list of all the fstab mount options
[04:12] <Australopithecus> so I can just edit my fstab file and make it mount as readable
[04:13] <slicktux> rw
[04:13] <icedwater> Australopithecus: did you set the remount options in case of error? Sometimes being a Windows partition, you might just have to reboot once to Windows and then shutdown cleanly... especially with newfangled NTFS
[04:13] <vfw> Australopithecus: as slicktux points out, substitute rw for ro
[04:13] <Australopithecus> i didnt know this
[04:13] <Australopithecus> ok
[04:14] <slicktux> ;)
[04:14] <Australopithecus> thanks I will try this
[04:14] <Australopithecus> sorry for kind of being a jerk
[04:18] <slicktux> Also, somtimes non-root users are unable to write to mounted partitions; this is determined by polkit, or whatever yer system uses. If after editing yer fstab you still cannot write to the mounted partition cp something to the mounted partition via root and if you can then well. . .the process of elimination will enlighten
[04:20] <deus402> so i'm pretty sure that i'm not actually being syn flooded, and it's just high server traffic. should upping net.core.somaxconn to a higher value help me out?
[04:20] <Kman> Hey,  why in recovery mode, i can still not get into root shell?? still need root passwd which i have forgotten
[04:20] <rottenpussy> dax is maybe bazhang s gay husband
[04:21] <slicktux> Kman: cage the system
[04:21] <Kman> currently i dont have a CD or USB install image
[04:22] <Kman> slicktux: what?
[04:23] <slicktux> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[04:23] <slicktux> Kman: something like that ^^
[04:24] <slicktux> Kman: the idea is tho change the root DIR to a USB with a Live Linux Distro (like LIveUSB) and then maybe paswd for root once the system is jailed. . .
[04:25] <Kman> slicktux: i forget root and user is not in sudoers
[04:26] <Kman> slicktux: at the moment i dont have a cd or usb, unfortunately
[04:26] <slicktux> Kman: this is a simplified version of what I am trying to explain https://madalanarayana.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/chroot-and-root-user-password-recovery-in-linux/
[04:26] <slicktux> Kman: well for the moment yer screwed.
[04:26] <Ben64> Kman: what are you trying to accomplish
[04:27] <Australopithecus> so I had the correct options I just needed to restart thanks for the help
[04:27] <Australopithecus> well into windows
[04:27] <Kman> slicktux: Ben64 :(
[04:28] <Ben64> Kman: you're trying to accomplish sad face?
[04:28] <Australopithecus> I have another question, how do I change the time zone in ubuntu
[04:28] <Kman> Ben64: reset root passwd without using usb or cd
[04:28] <Ben64> root doesn't have a password by default
[04:28] <Australopithecus> one second I will explain the problem
[04:28] <Kman> Ben64: in recovery mode i still can NOT drop in root shell
[04:28] <Ben64> recovery mode is a root shell
[04:28] <slicktux> Kman: su -
[04:29] <slicktux> Kman: then hit enter (without entering passwd) and see if it let's ya in?
[04:29] <Kman> in recovery mode, the system requires root passwd in the first place
[04:29] <Ben64> slicktux: if that works, he's already root so it's kinda pointless
[04:29] <Ben64> Kman: no it doesn't
[04:30] <slicktux> Ben64: SO, Ubuntu != put passwd for root; hence one can boot into recovery mode and root the lappy and the users in it?
[04:30] <Ben64> if someone has physical access to any machine, you're not in good shape
[04:30] <slicktux> Ben64: wow
[04:30] <Ben64> that's not a new concept
[04:31] <slicktux> Ben64: good thing I uninstalled sudo and passwd for root
[04:31] <Ben64> doesn't matter
[04:31] <Ben64> if someone has physical access, they still can get in
[04:31] <Kman> for sure
[04:32] <slicktux> Ben64: well, of course, but what about Desktops were there are users whom are isolated. . .seems like a sec-flaw
[04:32] <sdsdsdksks> Question.
[04:32] <sdsdsdksks> Strangest question you will see all night!
[04:32] <Ben64> Kman: alternatively try going to grub and changing the kernel line to have init=/bin/bash at the end
[04:32] <Ben64> slicktux: giving untrusted people physical access to a machine is a security flaw
[04:32] <sdsdsdksks> How would i go about falisfying a login on ubuntu.
[04:33] <Ben64> sdsdsdksks: you're going to need to explain what that means
[04:33] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: why would you want to?
[04:33] <sdsdsdksks> So if I log into account A it logs me into the install
[04:33] <sdsdsdksks> If I log into account b, it logs me into a VM
[04:33] <sdsdsdksks> Until logged in USB ports are disabled
[04:34] <sdsdsdksks> That strange enough for you gus?
[04:34] <sdsdsdksks> guys*
[04:35] <CoLdFeeLiNgS> lol
[04:35] <Ben64> doesn't make any sense
[04:35] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: You mean, you want to log in as another user?
[04:35] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: I want to log into a VM
[04:35] <sdsdsdksks> Ben64: it does though
[04:35] <Ben64> it really doesn't
[04:36] <slicktux> sdsdsdksks: Just reboot the system and go into recovery mode; you'll get root
[04:36] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: to you it does, there were some holes in your question
[04:36] <sdsdsdksks> I need to pass through a more hostile area that will want my laptop to be unlocked.
[04:36] <slicktux> so it seems.
[04:36] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: OK, so you want to log in as user b instead of a
[04:36]  * slicktux bewildered
[04:36] <sdsdsdksks> slicktux: hah
[04:36] <sdsdsdksks> oh, lordy. You think I don't use FDE and encrypt my home directory?
[04:36] <Kman> su- not work
[04:37] <slicktux> Kman: yer root already. . . Ben64 might be right; IDK
[04:37] <slicktux> Kman: yer in it right now?
[04:37] <Ben64> i'm always right
[04:37] <slicktux> Ben64: :)
[04:37] <icedwater> Ben64: only when you're not left.
[04:37] <slicktux> Ben64: I must admit I am bewildered
[04:38] <sdsdsdksks> Think of it like how TrueCrypt had two containers in one
[04:38] <Kman> always: give root passwd to maintain////
[04:38] <sdsdsdksks> One container opened to your normal harmless data, the other brought you to a hidden container that you couldn't confirm nor deny existing
[04:38] <slicktux> Kman: just hit enter; "root does not have a password by default"
[04:38] <slicktux> (in ubuntu)
[04:38] <Kman> i think i will have to have a USB  or CD to boot
[04:38] <icedwater> I can't seem to get the datetime panel on my unity to work, though. Any idea where to look?
[04:39] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: I explained my question:)
[04:39] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: if you got into the hidden container, you can probably confirm its existence...
[04:39] <Kman> slicktux: there is no way to bypass the password inputing
[04:39] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: that's the idea
[04:39] <sdsdsdksks> you can't get in.
[04:40] <sdsdsdksks> You need to know of it's existence to know how to get in
[04:40] <icedwater> Kman: it is possible to just press enter, to enter "no password"
[04:40] <slicktux> Kman: SO, I thought; yer going to have to cage the system. . . then you can either remove sudo and give root a password; or do whatever the hell it is yer trying to acheive
[04:40] <sdsdsdksks> Think of it like this, imagine having a computer in a computer.
[04:40] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: maybe if you knocked three times on the door, and said its name, then repeated that process exactly twice, it might open the door for you.
[04:41] <Kman> slicktux: to cage system, do we need root shell?
[04:41] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: I don't get your point.
[04:41] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: what hidden container are you looking for, anyway? If you know of its existence, you know how to get in.
[04:41] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: I'm not.
[04:41] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: well, OK, that wasn't true.
[04:41] <sdsdsdksks> I was giving an example
[04:41] <slicktux> Kman: You'll get root shell once the system is caged! then you can "sudo add user" or whatever as super user
[04:41] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: also, the other thing was a reference to Sheldon Cooper.
[04:41] <Kman> icedwater: i tried many ways
[04:41] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: ...
[04:42] <Kman> slicktux: how can i get my system cagged first>
[04:42] <deus402> i believe what sdsdsdksks is trying to do is prevent rubber-hose attacks
[04:42] <slicktux> Kman: google "chroot ubuntu" or read the links I posted earlier to get an idea; each linux distro difers. . .
[04:42] <icedwater> deus402: I suppose, though I have never heard of them.
[04:43] <deus402> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis
[04:43] <sdsdsdksks> deus402: I never got the idea of referencing XKCD as fact
[04:43] <sdsdsdksks> deus402: also that's not the attack I'm direclty trying to avoid.
[04:43] <Kman> slicktux: i think i need to edit my grub2 with init=/bin/bash
[04:43] <sdsdsdksks> Nothing prevents them from making you remember things that "don't exist"
[04:44] <deus402> i.e., have an encrypted fs that he could freely login to at will, but if someone forced him to show what was on his machine he could log into a separate area that didn't have any sensitive data.
[04:44] <sdsdsdksks> deus402: That wont protect against USB based attacks
[04:44] <sdsdsdksks> Those are what I want to protect against
[04:44] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: I see, so if someone booted your computer with a USB they could still see your encrypted system, etc.
[04:44] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: and?
[04:45] <slicktux> Kman: https://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password#24024
[04:45]  * deus402 is now googling xkcd rubber hose attacks
[04:45] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: I'm just clarifying what you meant by USB-based attacks, did I miss anything?
[04:45] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: FDE
[04:45] <sdsdsdksks> You can see the encrypted data but you can't see what it means
[04:45] <icedwater> deus402: I don't know, if you think Sheldon Cooper is from XKCD, you're a little off, but that search is probably worth running too.
[04:45] <sdsdsdksks> Prove that I'm in my real home directory and not a VM
[04:46] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: XKCD made the rubber hose thing first
[04:46] <sdsdsdksks> I wish people would stop linking XKCD like fact...
[04:46] <icedwater> Ah, so the rubber hose thing got its name from an XKCD strip?
[04:46] <sdsdsdksks> Instead of a real argument / debate they reference a comic.
[04:46] <icedwater> Well, it's not fact, but if it's popular enough to name things, why not?
[04:46] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: https://xkcd.com/538/
[04:46] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: don't trash comics. They can be useful sometimes.
[04:47] <icedwater> e.g.: xkcd.com/627
[04:47] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: because it's stupid as fuck.
[04:47] <sdsdsdksks> Why would you beat someone with a rubber hose to get data out of them?
[04:47] <sdsdsdksks> waterboarding is more fun.
[04:47] <sdsdsdksks> *cough*
[04:48] <turbo64> is there a ubuntu cd that just does a base instlal with no desktop environment
[04:48] <sdsdsdksks> turbo64: ubuntu server
[04:48] <sdsdsdksks> :^)
[04:48] <deus402> i see no reference to rubber hose attacks in the xkcd comic, other than what the describe in the second panel is a rubber hose attack
[04:48] <sdsdsdksks> deus402: 99% of people going on about rubber hose attacks quote XKCD and link it.
[04:48] <turbo64> one that also doesnt install a lot of server stuff
[04:48] <sdsdsdksks> turbo64: ubuntu-server
[04:49] <Kman> screw you... lol, i fixed it with simple way: add init=/bin/bash in grub 2!
[04:49] <turbo64> ignored for life
[04:49] <sruli> turbo64: ubuntu mini
[04:49] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks is trying to get you to remember stuff that isn't there, deus402 :P
[04:49] <sdsdsdksks> turbo64: ...
[04:49] <turbo64> sruli: thank you
[04:49] <sdsdsdksks> ...
[04:49] <sdsdsdksks> !ops turbo64 troll
[04:49] <Kman> why get things so complicated?
[04:49] <sdsdsdksks> How can I report turbo64 for being a troll
 sdsdsdksks tried to use the ops trigger for #ubuntu but is restricted from doing so.
[04:50] <nchambers> :/
[04:50] <nchambers> sdsdsdksks, just /ignore them
[04:50] <sdsdsdksks> nchambers: It would be nice to see them removed.
[04:50] <sdsdsdksks> Ignoring people then asking for the same answer over and over isn't going to get you far in here
[04:50] <nchambers> you get the same thing from /ignoring them
[04:50] <turbo64> the /ignore command is highly underused on irc
[04:50] <turbo64> i think people like to be angry
[04:50] <turbo64> or have the last word
[04:50] <nchambers> sdsdsdksks, sure it will
[04:51] <nchambers> its gotten me quite far
[04:51] <nchambers> because I don't bother with those people
[04:51] <danzizi> unity8 works on my laptop
[04:51] <Kman> icedwater: edit grub --> fixed the root shell problem
[04:51] <sdsdsdksks> I answered his question three times.
[04:51] <icedwater> On a side note, you can't always ignore trolls and have them go away.
[04:51] <sdsdsdksks> turbo64: didn't like his answer.
[04:51] <nchambers> great, then ignore him
[04:51] <turbo64> you can ignore them on the internet
[04:51] <sdsdsdksks> Also for future reference, ubuntu-server is how you get a minimal install
[04:51] <turbo64> its when they start calling up your mothers home phone or sending swat teams to your house when youve got a problem
[04:51] <sdsdsdksks> AFAIK Ubuntu Minimal Install CD downloads from the web and still gives you the full DE
[04:52] <icedwater> Kman: interesting. I have to admit I wasn't really listening to the first bit of your problem, but I am glad you have solved it.
[04:52] <sruli> u can choose not to add any packages
[04:52] <sdsdsdksks> sruli: You can do that with the default installer
[04:52] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: you're probably right about that. I thought there was an ubuntu-mini at some point, has it been discontinued, or ... was it never there
[04:52] <turbo64> no its there
[04:52] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: AFAIK, just minimal install disk
[04:53] <sdsdsdksks> That's why i say use Ubuntu Server
[04:53] <turbo64> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:53] <Kman> icedwater: first problem was: in recovery mode, i still need to input root passwd which i forgot
[04:53] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: with ubuntu server you don't have to install the server packages and it comes with no DE by default
[04:53] <Kman> icedwater: so i had to insert CD or USB to boot
[04:53] <icedwater> turbo64: so does that not give you what you want?
[04:53] <sdsdsdksks> Just for future reference.
[04:53] <icedwater> Kman: ah
[04:54] <Kman> icedwater: but i dont want to do that because i dont have cd or usb at hand
[04:54] <icedwater> Kman: so now you have a root shell, I gather?
[04:55] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: if you're interested in a interesting new distro try Alpine
[04:56] <sdsdsdksks> Anyone know if there's a hardened kernel for Ubuntu?
[04:56] <Kman> icedwater: yes. did it with editting the grub
[04:56] <sdsdsdksks> one on the official repo's
[04:56] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: I set up a VM on my old disk, but didn't really play around with it...
[04:56] <icedwater> s/disk/laptop
[04:56] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: It's neat
[04:57] <sdsdsdksks> I would love a hardened kernel
[04:57] <icedwater> Although this looks like it would do better on ubuntu-offtopic, to be quite honest.
[04:57] <sdsdsdksks> my question still isn't answered :>
[04:58] <sdsdsdksks> I know i could probably use qemu for the VM guest but the rest is... confusing...
[04:58] <Ben64> sdsdsdksks: what's your question?
[04:59] <deus402> i still don't fully understand the problem sdsdsdksks
[04:59] <sdsdsdksks> How would I go about setting up my machine to boot up to the login dialog, run a VM in the background and depending on how I login
[04:59] <icedwater> Ben64: how do you have two logins for the same account name, leading to different setups, I suppose, sdsdsdksks?
[04:59] <sdsdsdksks> the VM takes over the host and USB drives
[04:59] <Ben64> you're doing something incorrectly
[04:59] <sdsdsdksks>  but if I use a different login then it logs me into my actual setup
[05:00] <Ben64> what vm software do you use
[05:00] <sdsdsdksks> As of now, virtualbox
[05:00] <Ben64> you can run that from command line, don't need gui or anything
[05:00] <sdsdsdksks> I want to protect against rouge USB's being plugged in
[05:00] <sdsdsdksks> Ben64: the idea is to make it seamless
[05:00] <Ben64> ok?
[05:00] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: incidentally, rogue, not rouge.
[05:00] <sdsdsdksks> The malicious actor should not be able to know they're stuck in a VM
[05:01] <Ben64> and you're back to not making sense
[05:01] <sdsdsdksks> ty icedwater
[05:02] <deus402> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberhose_(file_system)
[05:02] <icedwater> Ben64: I think it's tricky to explain, but sdsdsdksks does have a valid question. Though I doubt it's a support case per se.
[05:02] <sdsdsdksks> deus402: two issues: [edit] Rubberhose is not actively maintained, although it is available for Linux kernel 2.2, NetBSD and FreeBSD. Latest version available, still in alpha stage, is v0.8.3.[4]
[05:02] <sdsdsdksks> And that doesn't protect against USB attacks
[05:03] <sdsdsdksks> The closest thing would be Qubes OS
[05:03] <sdsdsdksks> But Qubes is as obvious as screaming "MY LAPTOP IS ENCRYPTED AND YOU LOGIN TO A FAKE MACHIEN WHEN YOU SEARCH IT!"
[05:03] <Ben64> what is this supposed usb attack you're protecting against
[05:03] <sdsdsdksks> You never know what's on a usb
[05:03] <sdsdsdksks> or what a USB is
[05:03] <Ben64> ok so disable auto mount
[05:04] <sdsdsdksks> Rubber Ducky
[05:04] <sdsdsdksks> bugs in the USB stack
[05:05] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[05:05] <sdsdsdksks> raynold: It's 2017!
[05:05] <sdsdsdksks> Finally.
[05:06] <deus402> i guess i just don't understand why the solution to the hypothetical attack is a vm
[05:06] <Ben64> (it isn't)
[05:06] <sdsdsdksks> It is
[05:06] <sdsdsdksks> The goal is to make them think they succeded
[05:06] <Ben64> this is the tinfoil hat talking
[05:07] <sdsdsdksks> Ben64: it's not.
[05:07] <sdsdsdksks> There's a few things on my laptop that need to be protected
[05:07] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: OK, I don't know how Qubes is obvious, I guess I have to try it out
[05:07] <Ben64> then put it in a safe
[05:07] <sdsdsdksks> icedwater: Qubes is, Qubes
[05:08] <sdsdsdksks> It makes it clear that things are in VM's. Ben64 that wont solve the issue
[05:08] <Ben64> nothing will solve your issue
[05:08] <sdsdsdksks> Good practices will
[05:08] <Ben64> your issue is paranoia
[05:08] <sdsdsdksks> I want to protect against USB attacks and being forced to unlock the machine
[05:08] <sdsdsdksks> Ben64: It's not.
[05:09] <matemyg514> t
[05:09] <Ben64> it is, but i see that it's pointless to go on with this
[05:09] <deus402> TrueCrypt allows for "hidden volumes" - two or more passwords open different volumes in the same file, but only one of the volumes contains secret data.
[05:09] <sdsdsdksks> Ben64: It's not.
[05:09] <sdsdsdksks> The data I want to protect I need to keep on me and protected while still being usable
[05:09] <australopithecus> is it fine to update your kernal to 4.9 on ubuntu or will it cause problems?
[05:10] <sdsdsdksks> Saying it's pointless / paranoia is like saying there's no need for a bullet proof vehicle when travelling through an area where you might be shot. Especially if they have a reason to shoot at you.
[05:10] <australopithecus> im running a kabby lake processor and the current kernal I have has bugs that have been resolved in 4.9
[05:10] <icedwater> australopithecus: I would add that to grub and boot with it, that way if it causes problems you can still boot into an older working kernel
[05:10] <australopithecus> is there a guide for this icedwater?
[05:10] <australopithecus> I have never done such a thing
[05:13] <Ben64> australopithecus: are you sure the fix hasnt been backported to the ubuntu kernel
[05:13] <icedwater> australopithecus: I don't know, it used to happen automatically when I installed a new kernel or did an upgrade, eg apt-get install linux-image-4.8.0, etc.
[05:13] <icedwater> australopithecus: Which kernel are you running now, and what's the bug? (Just curious.)
[05:19] <sdsdsdksks> hows is linux blueray support
[05:20] <icedwater> sdsdsdksks: Heh, I see you've given up on your other question. :P
[05:20] <sdsdsdksks> yep.
[05:20] <Speiros> Hello all.  Is there a way to understand why I am having trouble getting sound on the 16.4 series of Ubuntu?  I've since deleted it, and gone back to 14.4.  I need it for music, so it isn't suitable until such times as I can get it working.
[05:22] <icedwater> Speiros: I'm pretty new to 16.04 too, wouldn't mind learning what your issue is :P
[05:23] <Ben64> kind of impossible to tell without being on 16.04
[05:24] <mozammel> hi, I'm have just installed ubuntu 16.10, before i was openSUSE Leap user, now my problem is I cant see user folder of opensuse. that is /home/rana, now I can only see ubuntu home folder I have saperate home partition, if I open ubuntu live disk, then I can see under /home i can see all folder
[05:24] <Speiros> Ben64 I tried all the ideas given to me formerly, about 3-6 months back, and none worked.  I've also found that a lot of the Audacity files aren't able to be used any more (or at least to me), namely the plugins etc.  There used to be hundreds, and now I can only find 20.
[05:24] <Speiros> mozammel Have you tried going to "computer" and seeing if it turns up under there?
[05:26]  * Sean_McG frustrated with 16.04 as well
[05:26] <mozammel>  Computer ? I dont know where , but if I go root partition and I see ''home'' once I open home its shows me only ubuntu home folder that is my user name ''mozammel''
[05:27] <Ben64> mozammel: it probably is on another partition
[05:28] <Speiros> mozammel What Ben64 said sounds reasonable.  Maybe you can try copying the whole folder (not deleting the old one) to see if it works?  Is this a good idea anybody?  I know links will be broken.
[05:28] <mozammel>  @Ben64: no both are in same partition. /dev/sda3 mount point is /home
[05:29] <Ben64> that doesn't mean anything
[05:29] <mozammel> yes
[05:29] <mozammel> I can show you screenshot.
[05:29] <Ben64> it means you think they're both the same partition
[05:29] <mozammel> of course they are same partition.
[05:29] <Ben64> why of course
[05:30] <mozammel> when I open from live CD i can see all of 2 folder in same partition
[05:31] <mozammel> when I open /dev/sda3 partition from Live CD, I see ''@home'' & ''rana'' and inside ''@home'' I see my ubuntu home folder ''mozammel''
[05:32] <mozammel> but sadly I cant copy paste all containt of ''rana'' to ''mozammel'' because of permission issue.
[05:32] <Ben64> you see "@home" ????
[05:32] <mozammel> yes
[05:32] <Ben64> that is not normal
[05:33] <mozammel> yeah. something problem
[05:33] <mozammel> and I created another user from ubuntu, that I also see under ''@home''
[05:34] <Ben64> come back on a livecd and pastebin stuff
[05:35] <mozammel> ok
[05:35] <mozammel> I will picpaste screenshot
[05:38] <icedwater> I would have just checked the mount permissions...
[05:39] <Speiros> What are mount permissions?  Is that like why I can't open external drives on the non-admin account?
[05:40] <icedwater> Speiros: filesystems can be mounted readonly, or read-write, although that probably wasn't mozammel's issue
[05:41] <mozammel>  http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-01-03_05-37-13-3JiTklGt.png
[05:41] <mozammel> here is my screenshot from live CD
[05:41] <Speiros> I see, yeah.  What reason would one put one up for read only?  Security to prevent changes?
[05:41] <mozammel> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-01-03_05-37-46-vNjuCSE2.png
[05:41] <mozammel> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-01-03_05-37-55-3P9tfSou.png
[05:41] <mozammel> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-01-03_05-38-05-xE85kCiL.png
[05:42] <mozammel> here is my screen shot from ubuntu installation http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-01-03_12-05-24-0TvDTObM.png
[05:42] <Ben64> mozammel: ok go back to regular install, you did something weird
[05:42] <Ben64> and stop posting pics already
[05:43] <Speiros> It seems like you're in a non-admin account
[05:43] <mozammel> I'm on regular installation now.
[05:43] <Ben64> mozammel: ok, pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab
[05:43] <mozammel> do you have any suggestion ?
[05:43] <mozammel> ok
[05:44] <mozammel> /etc/fstab command not found
[05:44] <Ben64> it's a file
[05:45] <Speiros> Oh, I was wrong too...
[05:45] <mozammel> ok
[05:46] <mozammel> http://pastebin.com/8etAJRPa
[05:47] <Ben64> note line 17, /home is mounted from the subvolume @home
[05:47] <mozammel> yes
[05:47] <mozammel> I see
[05:47] <Ben64> i win again
[05:47] <mozammel> what I suppose to do now ?
[05:48] <Ben64> you can mount the partition somewhere and do what you want with it
[05:48] <Speiros> :)
[05:48] <mozammel> mount /dev/sda3 partition ?
[05:48] <Ben64> yes
[05:48] <mozammel> it alredy have a mount point /home
[05:49] <Ben64> no
[05:49] <Mario88cp> howdy
[05:49] <Mario88cp> I am about to install Ubuntu
[05:50] <Mario88cp> I have already disabled secure boot.
[05:50] <mozammel> Line 17 also shows it has mount point /home
[05:50] <Mario88cp> If i choose alongside windows will it put ubuntu in its own partition and
[05:50] <Ben64> mozammel: correct
[05:50] <Ben64> Mario88cp: indeed
[05:50] <mozammel> how can I mount a partition which already have a mount point, and this partition already being use.
[05:51] <Mario88cp> will it put grub on the PC or just add Ubuntu to the UEFI so where i have to just put it as 1. and if i want to use windows put it as 1?
[05:51] <Ben64> mozammel: mount it somewhere else
[05:51] <icedwater> mozammel: you could mount it again on another mount point
[05:52] <Mario88cp> does it add grub or do it put Ubuntu in UEFI boot options and just have to set ubuntu on 1. on the boot list?
[05:53] <mozammel> firstly I cant unmount it , it shows volume is busy
[05:53] <pq_pq> how to upgrade ubuntu?
[05:53] <x3r07yp3> Hi, someone speaks Spanish?
[05:53] <icedwater> Speiros: about your question, I suppose if you wanted to be sure you didn't change anything by accident...
[05:54] <icedwater> x3r07yp3: try ubuntu-es?
[05:55] <x3r07yp3> How do I come in?
[05:55] <mozammel>  @Ben64 ; icedwater ; any more suggestion ?
[05:55] <Ben64> mozammel: do what i said
[05:56] <pq_pq> how to upgrade ubuntu?
[05:56] <mozammel> but how ?
[05:56] <Ben64> pq_pq: what do you mean by upgrade
[05:56] <Ben64> mozammel: mount it in /mnt, mount it in /whocares it doesn't matter, just do it
[05:56] <ledeni> x3r07yp3, #ubuntu-es
[05:56] <Bashing-om> pq_pq: "upgrade" in what respect ?
[05:57] <icedwater> mozammel: you can mount it again elsewhere without umounting first I think
[05:57] <x3r07yp3> @ledeni ty
[05:58] <ledeni> x3r07yp3, you're welcome
[06:00] <Speiros> icedwater What is ubuntu-es?
[06:01] <Speiros> sorry mozammel I was away...I don't know much about mounting (even though I have children) and what works or not.
[06:05] <Init__One> hola
[06:06] <Speiros> icedwater What is the suggestion mate?  Sorry, I got two answers mixed up.
[06:06] <Init__One> hi there
[06:08] <CarlFK> mozammel: why do you want to mount it again?
[06:08] <sudhirkhanger> Ubuntu installer creates a swap on size as big as its RAM. Does it take hibernation into account?
[06:10] <energizer> My friend is on company wifi and would like to ssh but says his port 22 is blocked. how can he do it
[06:10] <mozammel>  I cant see my previous os (openSUSE Leap) home folder from ubuntu
[06:11] <CarlFK> mozammel: where is it currently mounted?
[06:12] <mozammel> my /dev/sda3 partition mounted as /home
[06:13] <mozammel> but but ubuntu created a subvolume @home and inside home it holds the home folder ''mozammel''
[06:13] <mozammel> here is fstab pastebin http://pastebin.com/8etAJRPa
[06:14] <mozammel> so the problem is i cant see my previous home folder ''rana'' (from my openSUSE leap os). which is at /home/rana/
[06:14] <mozammel> but all I can see if I open from Live CD
[06:15] <CarlFK> mozammel: pastebin the output of mount and df
[06:15] <hateball> energizer: Talk to his IT dept instead of trying to work around restrictions put there for a reason
[06:15] <mozammel> sorry mount and df is command ?
[06:15] <CarlFK> mozammel: 2 commands.
[06:16] <CarlFK> mozammel: looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/23732220/
[06:17] <Ben64> mozammel: i already told you the solution
[06:18] <Speiros> I think mozammel needs to know HOW to do these commands.  I could be wrong, but I wouldn't have a clue of how to mount from either one of those instructions, although I know I mount.  Does it mean to do it in terminal, as a sudo user, right clicking the file, etc?
[06:19] <Speiros> This is coming from a lame ass who doesn't know the system as I've been forced to sit on my hands and do nothing so my brain doesn't have patience any more, which restricts my learning.
[06:19] <Ben64> every time i say something he just bails from the chat for 20 minutes then re-asks the same question that was already answered
[06:20] <Speiros> I saw your answer Ben64, but if I was in mozammel's shoes, I'd have asked you where do I enter this, and what are the commands, as I wouldn't know.
[06:21] <Ben64> that would be a better response than silence
[06:21] <Speiros> I'm illiterate on here, and it's frustrating that I started learning about 9 years ago, but was stifled.
[06:21] <Speiros> So back to the beginning, but no proper learning until I can get past the past, which I have to wait until the future to do.
[06:25] <mozammel> sorry Ben64, Speiros, I was a bit busy with office work. sorry for late response.
[06:26] <Speiros> mozammel All good mate.
[06:26] <mozammel>  Speiros : you are correct, I'm just a simple user, I dont know much command. so my question some time stupid, please bare with me.
[06:26] <Ben64> something like 'mount /dev/sda3 /somewhere'
[06:26] <Speiros> mozammel Ben64 and CarlFK seem to have some good suggestions.
[06:30] <Speiros> mozammel icedwater said you can probably mount it somewhere else without having to unmount it there too.
[06:34] <mozammel>  I did mount it on /StringH and I can see all folders
[06:36] <Speiros> mozammel Excellent!  Is it working now?
[06:38] <mozammel>  yes, its works, thank you so much guys. its really unusual that ubuntu created subvolume atometically...
[06:38] <Speiros> mozammel Also, what commands did you use?
[06:38] <Speiros> Top marks to Ben64, icedwater and CarlFK, plus all others on here for helping us others.
[06:39] <CarlFK> :)
[06:42] <Speiros> mozammel Yes, I don't know much about volumes and why they add sub-volumes...only guessing, but probably because it was called "Home" and was inside a home folder, but I could be wrong, as I am at times.
[06:42] <Mis-anthrope> is it possible to have / partitoin on a LV?
[06:43] <Mis-anthrope> partition*
[06:43] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope What is an LV?
[06:43] <Mis-anthrope> Logical Volume
[06:44] <Mis-anthrope> What I wanna ask is is it possible to manually partition using LVM and then have / partition on a LV at the time of installation?
[06:44] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: yes, that's one of of the options offered to you at install
[06:44] <hateball> (use full drive with LVM)
[06:45] <Mis-anthrope> but that creates arbitrary(decided by the installer) sizes for /, /boot and /swap partitions.. I wanna be abke to create these partitions with my own choice of size for each and every one of these partitions..
[06:45] <hateball> If you have multiple drives you want to pool at install it's possible you have to do the pv/lv'ing manually, I dont know about that. Only really use LVM on servers
[06:46] <Mis-anthrope> well I wanna install ubuntu server on a pc I am no longer using.. it has 2 drives and ubuntu server will be the only os on it..
[06:46] <Mis-anthrope> I will be doing a fresh install and I wanna be able to manually create a LV (using my own preferences of sizes for / and swap)... is that possible at the TIME OF INSTALLATION?
[06:47] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope I have a drive for storage, and a drive I use for Ubuntu on the same machine.  I can access the other drive from my Linux installation, if that's any help.
[06:48] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope I don't have anything apart from files on the other drive.
[06:49] <Mis-anthrope> well.. I want to MANUALLY partition the drive using LVM(i.e. create logical volumes) at the time of installation.. is that possible? I know its possible to create a physical LVM partition at install time but i wanna be able to create / and swap partitions MANUALLY at install time.. is that possible?
[06:50] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: you're given the option of manual partitioning at install time
[06:50] <Mis-anthrope> yes but I am not given the option to create Logical Volumes at install time...
[06:51] <Mis-anthrope> I am asking that is it ok to use busybox to first create the logical volumes on a drive and then install / and swap partition on the drive?
[06:51] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope I don't know about swapping partitions, as I don't understand what that means.  I can swap from the other partitions on my computer.  Maybe when loading Ubuntu, choose the last option, which is something like "Do something else", which allows you to resize partitions etc.
[06:51] <Mis-anthrope> hmm
[06:52] <Mis-anthrope> idk.. i'll try to create LV's at install time using busybox.. see where that takes me
[06:52] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope Best wishes with it.
[06:53] <Mis-anthrope> :)
[06:53] <Speiros> What does it mean to "swap" a partition?  It isn't file-swapping, is it?
[06:54] <Mis-anthrope> Its the partition for swap space..
[06:55] <Mis-anthrope> It sorta extends the virtual memory..
[06:55] <Speiros> Mis-anthrope Aah.  Yes, when I tried the swap space, there was nothing further I could do with it.
[06:55] <Mis-anthrope> okzz
[06:56] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: hmmm, perhaps there is no option for this during install any longer. Used to be possible with alternative CD but that no longer exists
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> ikr
[06:56] <Ironic|Paul|> Listo
[06:56] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: and I only ever go with some default setup for /, then add drives and pv after install, and mount to /opt or whatever I need
[06:56] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: but there should be a way, hmmm
[06:56] <Init__One_> Ironic|Paul|:  a por fin jajaja!
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> There is a way
[06:56] <Speiros> Yeah...
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> I am working on it
[06:56] <Ironic|Paul|> There are so many users...
[06:57] <Mis-anthrope> Will keep you fellers posted :p
[06:57] <Speiros> :)
[06:57] <Ironic|Paul|> Speiros: I have seen you.
[06:57] <Init__One_> Ironic|Paul|:  speak inglishh che
[06:57] <Speiros> Ironic|Paul| Okay, where abouts mate?
[06:57] <Init__One_> mate?
[06:58] <Speiros> Init__One_ "Mate" means "amigo" here in austalia
[06:58] <Ironic|Paul|> Init_one I am speaking now, don't go to bed.
[06:58] <Init__One_> friends mate? jaaaa
[06:58] <Speiros> Init__One_ Yep.
[06:59] <Ironic|Paul|> Speiros: Init_one brought me in here, nice to meet you.
[06:59] <Init__One_> is 4 am o'clock , i have sleep
[06:59] <bivo> How can I compress a 27Mb video clip to fit inside of facebook's 25Mb IM clip limit?
[06:59] <Ironic|Paul|> Init_one: I hope we will be in touch, right?
[07:00] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: isnt there an option to config LVM at all, if you use manual partitioning? I havent installed server fresh in ages
[07:00]  * hateball grabs an ISO
[07:01] <Ironic|Paul|> Inti_one: Hi there!
[07:02]  * Mis-anthrope snatches ISO from hateball
[07:02] <Mis-anthrope> I said I am working on it :/
[07:03] <Speiros> lol
[07:03] <Sean_McG> ...
[07:03] <Ironic|Paul|> Speiros: lol
[07:06] <CarlFK> how do I restart dnsmasq, and where does it log?  I am trying to use it for dhcp too, and it doesnt' seem to be doing that
[07:07] <Speiros> Another question...why isn't my computer recognising Timidity, although I have it installed, and on top of that, the video player won't play them, and doesn't give me any options for searching for files when it scans to see if there is something to play it?
[07:08] <Speiros> Sorry CarlFK
[07:09] <CarlFK> bivo: you want to re-encode it (aka transcode) with a lower bit rate and or resolution (so you will lose quality)
[07:10] <CarlFK> bivo: gstreamer can do it.  exactly how depends on what you are starting with and what you want to sacrifice (res, quality, fps...)
[07:10] <CarlFK> Speiros: wut?
[07:11] <bivo> CarlFK, yes, but transmageddon takes too much quality from an already low quality clip, and theres no option to get it as close to the 25Mb limit without losing too much quality
[07:11] <Speiros> sudhirkhanger I believe you can adjust the size of the swap size on install.
[07:12] <Speiros> bivo Can you cut out anything from the video?
[07:13] <Speiros> CarlFK No, nothing mate, I just questioned immediately after you buddy :)
[07:14] <Init__One_> Speiros channel inglish en pv , please
[07:14] <CarlFK> Speiros: no worries.  this is a pretty active channel - there are often a few conversations going on at the same time.
[07:14] <Speiros> CarlFK :)
[07:15] <Speiros> bivo I use Openshot Video Editor for my video clips, if that helps.
[07:15] <Speiros> bivo I find it slow, but extremely useful.
[07:16] <CarlFK> I like Openshot
[07:17] <Speiros> CarlFK Yeah, it's very good.  I used to use I think it's Pitivi, but it had problems.
[07:17] <oniichan1> hello
[07:19] <oniichan1> is anyone in here
[07:19] <Speiros> Hi oniichan1.  Lots of people, but the channel is specifically for addressing computer issues.  How are you, and what needs help with (someone will be able to help you hopefully)?
[07:20] <icedwater> oniichan1: Speiros: actually, primarily Ubuntu issues :P
[07:20] <Speiros> icedwater Good point mate.
[07:21] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: far as I can tell the installer lets me create PVs and then also config LV, so...
[07:21] <Speiros> hateball Interesting...and good to know.
[07:22] <oniichan1> icedwater : can't you speak indonesia language
[07:22] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: how? are you on the partitioning phase?
[07:22] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: Yes. Choose manual
[07:22] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: because there, you can only create a pv
[07:22] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: I did..
[07:22] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: there's an option for "configure LVM"
[07:22] <icedwater> oniichan1: I can speak some Bahasa. But if you need help here, you need to ask in English.
[07:23] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: this was using 16.04 btw
[07:23] <Speiros> oniichan1 Sometimes if a person is from another language, it is possible to use google translate, although this isn't 100% clear.
[07:23] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: will get back to you in a minute
[07:23] <Speiros> oniichan1 There is indonesian to english there.
[07:23] <ducasse> !id | oniichan1
[07:23] <oniichan1> icedwater : oke, thanks
[07:24] <Speiros> ducasse Cool link.
[07:24] <icedwater> ducasse: I checked, it's pretty quiet, I don't know if it is actually active.
[07:24] <oniichan1> ubottu : oke gan
[07:24] <icedwater> oniichan1: ubottu is a bot, don't talk to it :p
[07:25] <SerialDev> yeah, the 'u-bot-tu' part should clue us all in, ha
[07:25] <oniichan1> icedwater : oke sir, you use ubuntu or kali linux
[07:26] <oniichan1> hahha
[07:26] <icedwater> oniichan1: I use Ubuntu 16.04
[07:26]  * Phanes would just like to reiterate that there are 0 linux distributions, even major ones, that are compliant with a modern LSB version......
[07:27] <Speiros> Phanes what is LSB?
[07:27] <oniichan1> icedwater : sodusuka
[07:27] <icedwater> !lsb
[07:27] <icedwater> Heh, didn't know that worked. Thanks ubottu!
[07:27] <Speiros> lol
[07:27] <Phanes> Speiros, it's apparently an agreed upon standard for everyone to ignore
[07:28] <icedwater> Phanes: touche
[07:28] <Speiros> Phanes lol, fair enough.
[07:28] <SerialDev> yeah, every individual linux distro thinks their stuff is better
[07:28] <tinfoil_hat> has anyone the source code of the bot?
[07:29] <Speiros> tinfoil_hat...I might tell you if you take your hat off (prepares to read thoughts).
[07:29] <Speiros> tinfoil_hat I don't know man.
[07:29] <Phanes> icedwater, maybe that should be the 'not completed anywhere else' purpose i was supposed to find for my excuse to do an LFS build
[07:29] <someone235> Hi, after I restart lightdm, I try to login again, and then a new session is started, instead of getting back to the old one. Someone knows how can I prevent it?
[07:29] <Phanes> "Is actually compliant with existing Linux standards"
[07:30] <tinfoil_hat> I can make you a tinfoil_at too if you want :)
[07:30] <Speiros> tinfoil_hat How did you know I didnt have one?  Are you reading my brain?
[07:30] <tinfoil_hat> maybe it's not working
[07:30] <Speiros> :)
[07:30] <icedwater> someone235: I think if you restart lightdm, you have killed the existing session...
[07:31] <CarlFK> tinfoil_hat: yes, it is on launchpad somewhere
[07:31] <icedwater> Phanes: is LFS LSB-compatible?
[07:31] <ducasse> someone235: restarting lightdm kills the x server
[07:31] <someone235> icedwater, the thing is, I still see processes from my older session
[07:31] <icedwater> Hmm, on that note I guess I can expect not to be able to use lsb_release -r next time...
[07:31] <Phanes> icedwater, yes it is
[07:32] <icedwater> someone235: yes, because only the graphical stuff is restarted, I think.
[07:32] <tinfoil_hat> CarlFK: sauce äähm source ääähm link?
[07:32] <someone235> actually what I wanted to do is just restart my mouse, cuz it was stuck in drag and drop mode. Someone know of a better solution for this?
[07:33] <Phanes> actually that would be a BAMF thing to do is release an alpha that's fully FHS 3 and LSB 5 compliant and certified, it would literally be the only entry on either list as of today
[07:33] <Speiros> someone235 Isn't there an option on the GUI, under settings for mouse contols?
[07:33] <ducasse> someone235: try switching to console and back. ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f7
[07:33] <tinfoil_hat> nevermind, found it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[07:33] <someone235> ducasse, yes, tried that. It didn't help
[07:33] <icedwater> someone235: that's interesting. Do you mean a USB mouse, or a touchpad on a laptop?
[07:33] <Speiros> someone235 I see, it doesn't have that option.
[07:34] <someone235> icedwater, usb
[07:34] <someone235> icedwater, but I think it's software related. not related to the real mouse
[07:34] <tinfoil_hat> CarlFK, thanks for the tip with launchpad
[07:34] <icedwater> I'm assuming unplugging and re-attaching the mouse didn't work. *nods* I was just curious, because touchpads could be a little tougher to debug
[07:34] <CarlFK> tinfoil_hat: did you find it?  I haven't started looking yet
[07:35] <tinfoil_hat> CarlFK, yes i found it, posted the link above
[07:35] <dsnyders> Happy new year all!  Occasionally, when I wake my machine from suspend, all I get is a black screen with a mouse pointer on it.  I can ssh to the machine, but nothing seems to be consuming excessive resources.  Any ideas why my machine won't wake up fully?
[07:35] <ducasse> someone235: unload and reload the kernel module?
[07:36] <icedwater> oniichan: did you join ubuntu-id and leave it?
[07:36] <someone235> ducasse, with modprobe?
[07:36] <ducasse> someone235: yep, or rmmod/insmod.
[07:36] <someone235> yes, tried that. Didn't help
[07:36] <someone235> restarting lightdm was the only thing that helped
[07:37] <jakst> is this the right channel to ask for assistance with data recovery with Linux Raid 5 / LVM ?
[07:37] <UbuntuDude> I'm not sure what just happened at the last second of xenial installation on a partition next to windows 7! .. the system boots showing only windows while I was expecting the ordinary grub boot menu! How can reinstall grub from live-USB to fix the problem? win7 on /dev/sd1 , swap on /dev/sda2 , xenial root on /dev/sda3
[07:37] <icedwater> dsnyders: maybe try to restart the X server, or lightdm? I don't know if you can find some logs to check...
[07:37] <icedwater> jakst: usually no, but if you're desperate / patient enough some people here might have some clues eventually.
[07:37] <icedwater> jakst: I guess you're using Ubuntu, at least?
[07:38] <icedwater> !lvm
[07:38] <jakst> Yeah it's on ubuntu
[07:39] <icedwater> jakst: you might get some help here, then. I don't use RAID myself, so I can't say. I hope someone else can help.
[07:40] <icedwater> someone: Hmm, someone235 left
[07:40] <icedwater> (I meant to ask, did you rename?)
[07:40] <jakst> Well I've got some failed arrays  that I'd like to see if I can recover
[07:40] <ducasse> jakst: better to try #ubuntu-server, maybe
[07:41] <jakst> Oh thanks, I'll try that
[07:41] <ducasse> jakst: might be quiet there for another hour or so.
[07:42] <icedwater> ducasse: How do you know, are they mostly Europe-based?
[07:42] <jakst> ducasse: Well Iäll just hang around through the day :)
[07:42] <Speiros> UbuntuDude I don't know what reinstall grub means mate, but is it possible to change the parameters so it reads your USB on boot, and run it from there?
[07:42] <ducasse> icedwater: many of the regulars are, as they work for canonical.
[07:43] <icedwater> UbuntuDude: hmm, I can't remember if it's enough to just grub-install /dev/sda
[07:44] <icedwater> ducasse: good to know, thanks!
[07:45] <mozammel> is there anybody successfully able to print from LBP2900 printer in ubuntu 16.10 ? I need help.
[07:46] <icedwater> mozammel: I guess you solved the mount issue from before?
[07:47] <UbuntuDude> Speiros: reinstalling grub means what icedwater just mentioned above. the thing is I don't think grub was installed which is why on the system reboot win7 take control immediately and no bootmenu appears
[07:47] <UbuntuDude> I'll try that and keep you posted .. ty
[07:48] <Speiros> UbuntuDude Are you able to change the order on the BIOS for what opens first in priority?  Just remember so you can change it back.
[07:48] <oniichan> help me
[07:49] <ducasse> !ask | oniichan
[07:49] <Speiros> UbuntuDude I see.  When it opens, a very quick reminder of what keys can be held down (I think it's F9, but could be wrong) on boot up to go into BIOS menu.
[07:50] <UbuntuDude> Speiros: both partitions on the same hdd .. no need to change to bios boot sequence because I can manually do during the post using F11
[07:50] <oniichan> obutto : i am sorry
[07:50] <Speiros> UbuntuDude Ah, okay.
[07:50] <Speiros> UbuntuDude Anything past that is out of my knowledge range.  Sorry man:)
[07:51] <ducasse> oniichan: no need to be sorry, but we can't help unless you ask a question :)
[07:51] <ducasse> UbuntuDude: is this an uefi system?
[07:51] <Speiros> !patience
[07:51] <oniichan> ducasse : ok, i am understand
[07:52] <mozammel>  @icedwater : yes some how it solved.
[07:52] <Speiros> oniichan What do you need help with?
[07:53] <mozammel> I'm getting error while installation and configure LBP2900 printer, install instructuction from github
[07:53] <UbuntuDude> ducasse: nah.... it's a 32bit fossil
[07:54] <mozammel> here is the error : install.mk:7: recipe for target 'register_printer' failed ; make: *** [register_printer] Error 3
[07:55] <icedwater> mozammel: ah, OK.
[07:55] <oniichan> Speiros : can't you tell me about how to make sricp php
[07:56] <Speiros> oniichan Not me personally, as I don't know, but somebody in the room might know.
[07:56] <icedwater> mozammel: which instructions are you following? If you look in the makefile you might see where it has failed, or if there is an error message you can look at...
[07:56] <mozammel> https://github.com/hugolpz/Canon_printer
[07:57] <ducasse> oniichan: you want to make php scripts?
[07:57] <oniichan> speiros : oke, you use ubuntu or kali
[07:57] <icedwater> oniichan: do you use Kali Linux?
[07:58] <oniichan> ducasse : yes i will learn to make scripts
[07:58] <icedwater> oniichan: good, try to look for some basic examples online :)
[07:58] <oniichan> icedwater : yes i use kali linux
[07:58] <ducasse> oniichan: ask in ##php, we don't support programming here
[07:59] <UbuntuDude> oniichan: if you are +18, I suggest you go shoot yourself ... seriously speaking go get a fucking life or leave the damn channel for relative to linux talks
[07:59] <Speiros> oniichan Here's a link, but it's in English.  It's the wrong page to be asking though.  http://www.w3schools.com/
[07:59] <oniichan> icedwater : yes, but very difficult
[07:59] <UbuntuDude> oniichan: if you're -18 .. ignore what i said
[07:59] <fallen_> hai friends iam new dfor linux .please help me how to use it ...
[07:59] <ducasse> !ohmy | UbuntuDude
[07:59] <oniichan> speiros : thankyou very much
[07:59] <fallen_> help me please
[08:00] <fallen_> iam new ine to linux
[08:00] <Speiros> UbuntuDude Mate, what questions you ask and don't get responded to like that, and neither do I man.
[08:00] <icedwater> fallen_: which Linux are you using?
[08:00] <ducasse> !manual | fallen_
[08:00] <fallen_> backbox4.6
[08:00] <icedwater> ducasse: your bot-fu is strong. :P
[08:00] <Speiros> lol
[08:01] <oniichan> UbuntuDude : yes i will try to learn to make scripts php
[08:01] <ducasse> icedwater: easier than typing a full response to everything that gets asked all the time :)
[08:01] <fallen_> please tell me how to use it please
[08:01] <fallen_> i want to learn it
[08:01] <oniichan> fallen : you use for what?
[08:02] <ducasse> fallen_: we don't support backbox, but try http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[08:02] <Phanes> how is ubuntu managing LSB compliance currently?  are they just bundling all LSB applications into one metapackage and dropping it in
[08:03] <mozammel> any help guys regarding LBP2900 installation error please ?
[08:04] <ducasse> Phanes: there are a couple of lsb packages left for basic support, but most of them have been dropped (following debian's lead)
[08:04] <oniichan> can't help to fix error ssh in kali linux?
[08:04] <Phanes> ducasse, do you know why that is happening
[08:04] <zhou_xingyu> hello everyone.May I ask how to use zfs in ubuntu16
[08:05] <icedwater> mozammel: hang on, we are all volunteers here. :)
[08:05] <Ben64> mozammel: best to ask an actual detailed question
[08:05] <Ben64> !kali | oniichan
[08:05] <ducasse> Phanes: because no distro actually maintains uptodate, full support anymore.
[08:05] <Phanes> zhou_xingyu, make a filesystem.  format it as ZFS.  mount it.
[08:05] <ducasse> zhou_xingyu: what do you want to knpw?
[08:06] <Phanes> ducasse, that's going to change in less than a year btw
[08:06] <icedwater> Ben64: there was one - mozammel listed an error while trying to run a Makefile earlier...
[08:06] <mozammel>  @ Ben64; yes of course. always appriciated.
[08:06] <zhou_xingyu> ducasse: I install ubuntu in a 268G disk. so I want to change it into zfs.
[08:06] <ducasse> Phanes: good, if it happens.
[08:06] <oniichan> ubottu : i am sorry :)
[08:07] <mozammel> http://pastebin.com/ue8xzxme   here is output
[08:07] <ducasse> zhou_xingyu: you can't, zfs is only supported for data storage.
[08:07] <zhou_xingyu> Phanes: can I change my ext4 system into zfs?
[08:07] <Ben64> icedwater: that doesn't make that undetailed question ok
[08:07] <Ben64> zhou_xingyu: no
[08:07] <Speiros> Can a file system be changed while there are files in it?
[08:07] <Ben64> Speiros: no
[08:07] <Speiros> Ah, thanks Ben64.
[08:07] <zhou_xingyu> thank you very much
[08:08] <oniichan> ubottu : hai, wakata. mou daijoubu
[08:08] <icedwater> Ben64: there were some details in there, to be fair.
[08:08] <Speiros> zhu_xingyu It looks like you will have to remove the files first, then make the file system you choose, but as ducasse has said, it means you'll need somewhere else to have your operating system.
[08:09] <Ben64> icedwater: no
[08:09] <zhou_xingyu> By the way ,I just get stuck in gui,so I poweroff the linux by pressing and holding the power menu.
[08:09] <icedwater> Ben64: they were not the most helpful details, but they were there.
[08:09] <Speiros> Sorry, that last comment was addressed to zhou_xingyu.
[08:10] <icedwater> mozammel: you should provide more details, as Ben64 suggests.
[08:10] <Ben64> icedwater: which was my whole point
[08:10] <zhou_xingyu> May I ask whether it will hurt the filesystem of linux?
[08:10] <Ben64> icedwater: i don't see why you need to comment on everything
[08:10] <mozammel> I'm trying to install driver for my printer LBP2900, and following https://github.com/hugolpz/Canon_printer this instruction, but I stuck with some error here is error out put http://pastebin.com/ue8xzxme  im on ubuntu 16.10,
[08:10] <icedwater> Ben64: I don't :)
[08:11] <icedwater> But mozammel already pointed out there was an error, and I was going to find out more from them.
[08:11] <Ben64> mozammel: unfortunately you're on your own if you choose to do stuff outside of the normal ubuntu ecosystem
[08:11] <Speiros> That is one way, zhou-xingyu, but you can also hold Ctrl Alt Delete, or Esc.  It means you may lose any work you've been working on, although an auto recovery seems to work MOST (not all) of the time.
[08:11] <zhou_xingyu> I just spend one hour to do fsck in livecd.Find none error
[08:11] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: you were right.. I should proll get glasses and some cut off my red bull :/
[08:12] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: So it goes, the main thing is you got it sorted :)
[08:12] <ducasse> mozammel: try contacting the maintainer of the github repo or file an issue
[08:12] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: thanks :)
[08:13] <icedwater> mozammel: you can get help here as long as you're using a regular Ubuntu install - everyone has issues with custom hardware they might need help with every now and then.
[08:13] <mozammel>  I dont know how its outside of normal ubuntu ecosystem, I'm trying to make my printer work, and for my understanding its very basic need.
[08:13] <icedwater> Just don't expect experts in every field, and have a little patience :)
[08:13] <Ben64> mozammel: you're running commands from some random github, there's no way we can support that here
[08:13] <mozammel> yeah.. of course.
[08:14] <zhou_xingyu> Speirors: Thank you.May i know what is the different between the Ctrl+Alt+Sys_RQ resiub and ctrl+alt+delete
[08:14] <icedwater> mozammel: I don't understand where your problem is - the makefile seems to have stopped after ccpd service status
[08:14] <Speiros> zhou_xingyu I don't know, sorry.
[08:15] <ducasse> Speiros: the first is sent directly to the kernel, the second to systemd/logind
[08:15] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: Did you try switching to a TTY (ctrl+alt+f1) and log in to do a clean shutdown? Or does the machine freeze up totally?
[08:15] <ducasse> zhou_xingyu: ^^
[08:15] <zhou_xingyu> Speiros: thank you very much.
[08:15] <Speiros> ducasse Excellent.  Thanks mate.
[08:15] <Anant> hello, I am getting the error "Bad header line" while I am trying to update
[08:15] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: yes i do,but failed
[08:15] <mozammel>  actually I'm not the person to often bother expert without digging.. I did dig a lot about it and try many way. but really not able to work. so my last hope is here becuase I can discuss in realtime. and show problem in realtime.. but really thankfull all you guys for your time.
[08:15] <Anant> anybody can help me
[08:16] <icedwater> mozammel: stick around a while more, you might get some help yet.
[08:16] <Speiros> mozammel I have had printer problems in the past, but as I don't currently use one I don't know how to help man.  Someone will be able to help over time though.
[08:16] <ducasse> Anant: pastebin the *full* output
[08:16] <Anant> how to solve the error "bad header line" during updating
[08:16] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: I cannot open terminal and cannot open tty too.So my last choice is just hold the power menu.>::<
[08:17] <ducasse> zhou_xingyu: does ctrl+alt+sysrq reisub work?
[08:17] <mozammel>  yes. after ccpd.service there is some problem, beofre it was giving me dependancy error that libpng12-0 missing, I did download and install and its come upto ccpd
[08:17] <Anant> how to solve the error "bad header line" during updating. Is it critical error?    do it make a problem in installing android stk
[08:17] <mozammel> @Speiros: yes. may be some one already did solved same problem.
[08:18] <Speiros> zhou_xingyu What happened so that you can't open terminal?  Do you remember the first time it happened?
[08:18] <zhou_xingyu> ducasse: I don't know ,I know the reisub command after I do it and google.
[08:18] <ducasse> Anant: i asked you to pastebin the output.
[08:18] <Anant> hello, I am getting the error "Bad header line" while I am trying to update. anybody can help me.....how to solve the error "bad header line" during updating. Is it critical error?    do it make a problem in installing android sdk
[08:19] <ducasse> zhou_xingyu: try  it, if that doesn't work it means the kernel has frozen. if it does work it is a much cleaner way of shutting down.
[08:19] <Anant> Ign:15 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Ign:16 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Ign:17 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/multiverse amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Err:11 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons   Bad header line Ign:12 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe 
[08:19] <ducasse> !paste | Anant
[08:19] <zhou_xingyu> Speiros: I just run the aircrack and try to crack into my own wifi,,and I want to quit the crack but Ctrl+c does not work.So I cloesd the terminal and then ubuntu get stuck
[08:20] <Speiros> zhou_xingyu Ok, thanks for that.  It's good to know what caused it in the first place, so that it can be looked at from those who know about those systems.
[08:20] <zhou_xingyu> ducasse: thank you.I am new to linux.I am still learning the linux operation system
[08:20] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: you should examine your logfiles, if something gets dumped prior to your kernel freezing
[08:21] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: thank you ,I will google it and find the logfile
[08:21] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: and if you're triggering it by running aircrack, it's probably a wireless module that doesnt like to run in promiscuous mode
[08:21] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: what wifi chipset/driver are you using?
[08:21] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: "lspci -k"
[08:21] <icedwater> mozammel: I can't seem to find any error in your pastebin, it looks like every step in the makefile worked. What happens when you try to run sudo service ccpd status on its own?
[08:22] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: thank you.maybe broadcom.Let me check the log.
[08:22] <Anant> Ign:15 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Ign:16 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Ign:17 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/multiverse amd64 DEP-11 Metadata Err:11 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons   Bad header line Ign:12 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe 
[08:22] <Anant> http://imgur.com/pvRr13L
[08:22] <Speiros> How do I stop someone who is no longer in the room, but is whispering me?
[08:23] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[08:23] <zhou_xingyu> 	Subsystem: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter
[08:23] <zhou_xingyu> 	Kernel driver in use: bcma-pci-bridge
[08:23] <zhou_xingyu> 	Kernel modules: bcma
[08:23] <Anant> UBOTTU: I have posted the screenshot
[08:23] <zhou_xingyu> sorry for too much message at the same time
[08:24] <icedwater> Speiros: fallen__?
[08:24] <Speiros> icedwater Yes.
[08:24] <icedwater> They're messaging me too, you can /ignore if you want I think?
[08:24] <Speiros> Ok, thanks.
[08:25] <Anant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23732519/plain/
[08:25] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: when i run this command sudo aircrack-ng -w dict1.txt longas-01.ivs,the aircrack start to calculate the password and use high cpu.So i want to end it .I close the terminal and the terminal says it will kill the process so i do it.
[08:26] <Anant> Can anybody help me to figure it out?
[08:26] <icedwater> !patience | Anant
[08:26] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: and then the gui broke and nothing can do .including the mouse ,terminal tty,
[08:27] <hateball> Anant: Probably something wrong with that mirror, try pointing to something like the UK or AU
[08:27] <Anant> I have searched everywhere but I didn'd got the solution
[08:27] <Ben64> Anant: you didn't try what you were told last night
[08:27] <icedwater> mozammel: can you run sudo service ccpd status and then echo $? immediately after that to see what error code is returned?
[08:28] <zhou_xingyu> Anant: maybe you should other mirrors
[08:28] <icedwater> zhou_xingyu: what other processes were started from that terminal you killed?
[08:28] <Anant> I have internet connection with library proxy and I cann't update from GUI also
[08:28] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: Afraid I don't know what could be wrong, but if your machine works fine otherwise and only displays this behavior when running aircrack... well then it's probably the wifi card/module. So that gives you something to google at least...
[08:30] <zhou_xingyu> icedwater: I open the new terminal to do the aircrack.so I don't know other process.
[08:30] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: thank you.I  think it's a good chance to read the logfiles of linux
[08:33] <priporg> Hi, the desktop icons in Ubuntu are not all the same size. For example, the pdf icon is much larger than folder, text, and other icons. It looks strange. Can someone tell devs to fix it up thanks.
[08:33] <icedwater> mozammel: actually, now that you have the PPD for your printer, why don't you try specifying that in the Add Printer dialogue?
[08:33] <mozammel> @icedwater:  http://pastebin.com/4ZTzuJJq
[08:33] <ducasse> priporg: file a bug
[08:33] <icedwater> priporg: you can actually resize the icons to any size you like :p Maybe it's just a problem of the theme you're using?
[08:33] <hateball> zhou_xingyu: I'd suggest you keep an eye on "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" and syslog while you're running aircrack, if the driver spits out any info before everything dies
[08:34] <priporg> icedwater, using default theme.
[08:34] <zhou_xingyu> hateball: thank you very much
[08:34] <priporg> icedwater, you can try creating a pdf icon and see for yourself.
[08:35] <Speiros> priporg What is the problem with them being different sizes?  Is it something different from any other versions of Ubuntu you've used?
[08:35] <mozammel> @icedwater : there is a printer also added on printer setting, but if i try to print a test page it shows ''Idle -ccp send_data error, exit''
[08:36] <icedwater> priporg: well, the PDF specifically tries to give document preview, so I think it's more a feature than a bug. Unfortunately this does mean they have to be a different size from the other icons...
[08:36] <priporg> Speiros, this is the only version of Ubuntu I've used.
[08:36] <Speiros> mozammel Have you been able to configure that printer, or is it not able to be done?
[08:36] <Anant> hello, I am getting the error "Bad header line" while I am trying to update. anybody can help me.....how to solve the error "bad header line" during updating. Is it critical error?    do it make a problem in installing android sdk... I have tried "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && sudo apt-get update" and after that I cann't open ubuntu software centre. it starts and close automatically
[08:37] <Speiros> priporg Okay.  Maybe it is just a matter of getting used to a new system.  I've been a user, although with little knowledge, since 2008, and I'm not going back to any of the commercial rubbish.
[08:37] <icedwater> Anant: apparently you asked a similar question last night, as Ben64 suggests? Did the advice there help?
[08:38] <Speiros> priporg When I first started out, I  was uncomfortable, as all my education was done on a Windows system.  Still, now I'm set for Linux.
[08:38] <icedwater> For your current issue I would try to run ubuntu software centre from the command line and see if any error messages pop up
[08:38] <priporg> icedwater, in my opinion there is no point in having a preview - it's too small to see anything meaningful. Documents for example don't have previews. Different size desktop icons looks wrong ...again in my opinion.
[08:39] <icedwater> priporg: It is a valid opinion, I'm not sure if there is a way to turn off the preview, though.
[08:39] <Speiros> priporg Still, as icedwater suggested, if you right-click on your icons, you can resize the icons manually.
[08:39] <icedwater> Speiros: it isn't a good idea if you have to resize 20 PDFs each time though :p
[08:39] <zhou_xingyu> Anant: So you cannot update the system?
[08:39] <priporg> Speiros, I resized it manually now to fix the issue, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.
[08:40] <Speiros> icedwater True.
[08:40] <Speiros> priporg Ok.
[08:40] <Ben64> Anant: http://sprunge.us/gJAh
[08:41] <priporg> Speiros, I won't be going back to commercial stuff either :)
[08:41] <mozammel>  Speiros : not able to make it work yet.
[08:42] <Speiros> priporg No, they've made their money off freeware for long enough.
[08:42] <Speiros> mozammel Are you able to configure it in the settings though?  The actual printer that you mentioned was there?
[08:43] <priporg> Speiros, sure but to be fair linux didn't have a mature GUI for the masses to adopt until recently.
[08:45] <Anant> zhou_xingyu: yeah, I can upadate but some of the packages can not download
[08:46] <zhou_xingyu> Anant: so I suggest you to change the mirror source lists
[08:46] <Ben64> Anant: http://sprunge.us/gJAh
[08:46] <Anant> zhou_xingyu: but I don't know how to change the mirror
[08:46] <cfhowlett> !mirror | Anant
[08:46] <Ben64> now finally you listen
[08:47] <zhou_xingyu> Anant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/197564/how-do-i-add-a-line-to-my-etc-apt-sources-list
[08:47] <Speiros> priporg Fair enough, as I didn't know of it, let alone Ubuntu since 2008.
[08:47] <Speiros> Sorry, 2007
[08:47] <cfhowlett> !repos
[08:48] <Anant> ok thank you... and guys don't need to laugh at me I am new to ubuntu and facing error at first time
[08:48] <icedwater> Anant: we are always learning, and we were all new once :)
[08:48] <priporg> icedwater, so you're a pro now?
[08:48] <Speiros> Anant I've been using this since 2008 and am still a novice.  How do you think I feel.lol
[08:49] <icedwater> priporg: no, just less new :)
[08:49] <icedwater> Time passes, regardless of how much experience you accrue along the way :P
[08:49] <zhou_xingyu> Anant: you are welcome
[08:50] <Speiros> icedwater In the words of Stan Laurel, "It certainly does, Ollie"
[08:50] <priporg> icedwater, you are wise because you listen and understand my problem :)
[08:50] <mozammel>  yes I can configure, but status is stopped. I think this printer is impossible to configure in ubuntu
[08:50] <icedwater> priporg: don't praise me, my head explodes. :p
[08:51] <icedwater> But I'm curious - there should be a way to disable PDF previews so that you get some kind of generic icon
[08:51] <Speiros> mozammel Can you make it run; or if that doesn't work (try it first), can you delete it, and then re-add it?
[08:51] <icedwater> Maybe someone else here knows how to turn off PDF document preview in, say, Nautilus?
[08:51] <priporg> icedwater, not sure if that problem is created by libre office or ubuntu...
[08:52] <icedwater> (...so I can get back to work :P)
[08:52] <icedwater> priporg: I would suspect it's a desktop manager setting
[08:52] <Speiros> icedwater When I open files, I can use the dropdown "View" and choose icon or list.
[08:52] <icedwater> I came here to ask for help about the datetime panel and troubleshoot my gnome-terminal issues... but I learned so much by hanging around :P
[08:52] <mariohihi> Would Ubuntu be the right system for me?
[08:52] <priporg> icedwater, who knows ....not me :)
[08:52] <oniichan> exit
[08:53] <icedwater> mariohihi: I'd say yes, but I'm biased. :p
[08:53] <cfhowlett> mariohihi, errrrrrrr, yes?
[08:53] <mozammel> @Speiros : I have tried all combination actually. and also try to install different version of that driver. nothing works.
[08:53] <ghostal> i'm using xenial, and am getting a little confused about the mailutils package. what MTA does it provide? i've been messing about install and removing it, and seem to get different results
[08:53] <mariohihi> I'm on windows 8.1 and i am stuck on this as this laptop don't support windows 10.. the downloadable start menu's suck and don't work as good...
[08:53] <priporg> icedwater, just go back to work. my problem isn't big enough to warrant a fix just yet.
[08:53] <Speiros> mariohihi  Id say yes too, but what are you planning on using your computer for?  Gaming, work?
[08:54] <mariohihi> Speiros Gaming, and every day web browsing.
[08:54] <Speiros> mozammel Sorry to hear that mate.  Can I just confirm that you've tried to delete this printer already?
[08:54] <CarlFK> mariohihi: If you have to ask, Ubuntu is a good place to start
[08:54] <Speiros> mariohihi I'm unsure if it is ideal yet with Canonical for gaming (I use xbox), but for everything else, it is fantastic.
[08:54] <ghostal> sometimes i get postfix configuration screens, sometimes not
[08:54] <cfhowlett> mariohihi, you can ask random internetz people who don't know you or your specific needs and preferences OR you could get the ubuntu .iso, make a bootable USB and actually TEST ubuntu for yourelf.
[08:54] <mozammel>  yes, I did delete and again add
[08:55] <CarlFK> mariohihi: read "which distro" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlKarsten
[08:55] <priporg> another big issue with linux is driver compatibility issues. you get a lot of new guys coming in here for a fix :)
[08:55] <mozammel> this is the error this time ''Idle - File "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocapt" not available: No such file or directory''
[08:56] <icedwater> priporg: true.
[08:56] <Speiros> mozammel Okay.  Sorry again that it's reached frustration level.  There are settings, but you mentioned it said "status is stopped".  Have you been able to unchange that?
[08:57] <Speiros> mozammel That last message you typed means that you're missing a file, or it's not where the computer is expecting it to be.
[08:57] <mozammel> @ Speiros: every time I try new driver and new method to install, its shows different error but result actually same, not printing.
[08:57] <mozammel> yes
[08:58] <mozammel> but I have no idea from where and how to bring it in place.
[08:58] <ledeni> mozammel, which printer i mean model
[08:59] <mozammel> Canon LBP2900
[08:59] <Speiros> mozammel Yes, they can be frustrating.  If the file is somewhere else, I can only suggest what I'd do, and it includes a pen and paper.  I'd search for the file, and if I find it, I'd write where it is, and what is with it.  Then I'd look at where the computer is saying it is looking.  Then I'd copy and paste those files there in the correct file order.  I don't think I'd delete the other files though, in case they're bei
[08:59] <Speiros> ng used by the kernel.
[09:00] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[09:00] <icedwater> Cust0sLimen: hi
[09:00] <Cust0sLimen> what does ubuntu 16.10 do for networking by default ?
[09:00] <Cust0sLimen> networkd or networkmanager ?
[09:01] <icedwater> Good question, hopefully someone using 16.10 can answer. :p
[09:01] <ducasse> Cust0sLimen: network manager.
[09:01] <Cust0sLimen> thanks ducasse
[09:02] <mozammel>  I will try your method too.
[09:02] <Speiros> mozammel I hope it works, but writing it down is so if it doesn't, it can be removed again.
[09:02] <Speiros> mozammel Therefore, write down where you paste them, if it happens.
[09:03] <icedwater> Speiros: yeah, a clean removal will help a lot, I suppose. I would prefer to redirect the output of, say, some find command into a text file, but as long as I don't have transparency in my gnome-terminal back yet I'll have to use pen and paper :P
[09:04] <Speiros> icedwater And if the pen and paper fail, they're easier to throw:)
[09:06] <icedwater> Speiros: yeah, I have a lot of text files that I don't remember making :p
[09:06] <lasersaber> i cant seem to play a video on here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[09:07] <lasersaber> any idea why?
[09:07] <Speiros> lasersaber What system are you using?
[09:08] <lasersaber> ubuntu unity
[09:08] <lasersaber> using firefox
[09:08] <lasersaber> 16.04
[09:08] <hateball> lasersaber: perhaps it requires flash, do you have that installed?
[09:09] <lasersaber> i guess because i can play youtube videos
[09:09] <Speiros> lasersaber Do you have any other script blockers installed, or website blockers?
[09:10] <icedwater> lasersaber: YouTube changed to HTML5 at some point, I've been led to think..
[09:10] <zhou_xingyu> lasersaber: you may try chrome stable
[09:10] <lasersaber> no luck with chrome
[09:10] <zhou_xingyu> icedwater: yes ,youtube is html5
[09:10] <lasersaber> hmm i do have adblock but i disabled it for that page
[09:11] <lasersaber> i might need to completely disable adblock
[09:11] <Unhammer> I don't suppose anyone's tried the ASUS UX310UA with Ubuntu? I'm wondering if it's normal that the fans are on more than they are off (even when fairly idle in Xubuntu), or if it's maybe something I can fix with some powersaving settings or whatnot
[09:12] <hateball> lasersaber: youtube uses html5 to play video for the most part. guessing isnt very helpful, so instead you could go to "about://plugins" and see if flash is listed
[09:12] <ledeni> mozammel, try ---> http://pastebin.com/mv0uaGXc
[09:13] <mozammel>  Okay now I also try your method and found the missing file which is in lib64 and copid to lib and now when I test print, its processing for ever.. final result is '' not printing''
[09:13] <Speiros> lasersaber It wouldn't open for me either, but I've got blockers, but after undoing them one by one, it still wouldn't open.
[09:14] <cfhowlett> hateball, not about:plugins       ??
[09:14] <Speiros> mozammel Ok.  Is it wireless or connected by a wire?
[09:15] <hateball> cfhowlett: you are correct, fingers faster than brain :p
[09:15] <lasersaber> about://plugins didn't work
[09:15] <hateball> lasersaber: "about:plugins" like cfhowlett said
[09:15] <lasersaber> no //
[09:15] <Speiros> :)
[09:15] <lasersaber> ok
[09:15] <lasersaber> :)
[09:16] <mozammel> @Speiros : connected by USB cable
[09:16] <Speiros> fallen_ Did you go to another page to get the information you wanted?
[09:17] <lasersaber> http://imgur.com/a/bsC5u
[09:17] <Sheepolution> Hello
[09:18] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, SP is not playing for me either though it did previously.
[09:18] <cfhowlett> test with chromium/chrome perhaps?
[09:18] <Speiros> mozammel Ok.  So, just peddling backwards.  Your computer is now seeing the printer which is connected, yes?  Or is it possibly seeing the files, and not the printer?  If it is seeing the printer, can you now configure the printer from the settings menu?
[09:18] <lasersaber> what now? :-/
[09:19] <mozammel> yes. can see the printer
[09:19] <mozammel> when connect , it also detect that printer connected.
[09:19] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, install chrome and test it ... in case there's some kind of driver crashing
[09:19] <mozammel> but when try to print its just '' processing'' for ever, but never complete and print.
[09:20] <lasersaber> http://imgur.com/a/9iBIQ
[09:21] <Speiros> mozammel Ok.  There's progress.  Maybe in the printer settings, clear the queue of any documents that might be loaded up to print.  Are there any there?
[09:21]  * lasersaber :(
[09:22] <mozammel>  no there is no queue
[09:23] <lasersaber> cfhowlett, now what?
[09:23] <Speiros> lasersaber I just looked at the imgurl, and it is showing the video, but stating that you're not using Mozilla, which it suggests.  What happens when you use Mozilla?
[09:23] <Speiros> mozammel Ok.
[09:23] <hateball> lasersaber: was that with chromium or google chrome?
[09:23] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, did you install chrome/chromium?  fire it up and test SP playback
[09:24] <lasersaber> google chrome
[09:24] <cfhowlett> ah I see. that's something new
[09:24] <Speiros> mozammel, and that printing is the test page, yes?  Sorry if you've already said it but I'm trying to see it from your shoes.
[09:24] <lasersaber> with mozilla i get a black screen
[09:25] <hateball> Hmmm, I clicked some random video and it threw me a flash version at any rate...
[09:25] <Speiros> lasersaber I get that too, but I can change the permissions.
[09:25] <hateball> lasersaber: for some sites click-to-play flash doesnt work properly, so you could try force-allowing it via the button in the url bar
[09:26] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, nah, something weird here.  I'm dual booting.  My safari reports flash issues as well.
[09:26] <Speiros> lasersaber Actually, I just got a "goo goo good..." then changed it, so it can work.  It may be through the Mozilla browser that you've got some parts blocked.
[09:27] <Speiros> lasersaber I allowed 0914.global.ssl.fastly.net and it worked (after allowing the sites' scripts too)
[09:27] <mozammel>  yes I try test page from settings, I try nomal xcel printing, also try head cleaning. ... for all the job its just processing
[09:27] <hateball> cfhowlett: I'm running chromium with pepperflash and a video played... altho I was redirected to southpark.nu or some such
[09:28] <Speiros> mozammel Are those jobs now cancelled?
[09:28] <Sheepolution> After I kept getting the error: libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast, I updated my nvidia drivers. But something went wrong: http://imgur.com/a/4LxOO
[09:29] <Sheepolution> And now I'm not sure what to do
[09:29] <lasersaber> Speiros, i completely removed adblock and still can't play on firefox
[09:29] <mozammel>  yes cancelled.
[09:29] <cfhowlett> hateball, yeah that redirect caught my eye as well.
[09:30] <Speiros> lasersaber Yes, ok.  I'm using Noscript, and I block most things, and have to allow them one by one if I want to see anything.  Do you have anything blocking scripts, rather than ads?
[09:31] <Speiros> mozammel Ok, that's good.  Once more (the page has scrolled past where you stated it formerly on my screen) what type of printer is it?
[09:31] <lasersaber> Speiros, no script blockers or adblockers
[09:32] <Speiros> lasersaber Ok.
[09:32] <lasersaber> maybe i should reinstall firefox
[09:33] <icedwater> Hey folks, I've tried to run gnome-terminal and I get a locale error in my syslog: org.gnome.Terminal[6281]: Non UTF-8 locale (ANSI_X3.4-1968) is not supported - PID 6281 is a dbus-daemon --fork which is still running, though. Any ideas how to solve this? My LC_ALL is C, LC_* is en_SG.UTF-8 otherwise.
[09:34] <icedwater> Wait, hmm... let me C.
[09:34] <Speiros> lasersaber I'm unsure, but I can watch it after allowing that site that was blocked as well as a few more.  They are comedycentral.com, cc.com, mathtag.com and mtvnservices.com
[09:35] <Speiros> mozammel Depending on the model printer, sometimes you can look backwards from the printer to confirm that the printer is seeing the computer, rather than the computer seeing the printer.
[09:36] <Speiros> lasersaber If you really want to, I can read you some of the announcements he's reading.
[09:37] <icedwater> OK, setting LC_ALL didn't work, I'll have to see how dbus-daemon passes its env
[09:40] <lasersaber> dang it just wont work :(
[09:40] <Speiros> Did you reinstall Mozilla?
[09:41] <Speiros> lasersaber Did you reinstall Mozilla?
[09:41] <lasersaber> yeah
[09:42] <ledeni> lasersaber, did you install 'ubuntu-restricted-extras'
[09:42] <hateball> randomly reinstalling things are unlikely to do you much good
[09:43] <mcphail> icedwater: why is LC_ALL set at all?
[09:43] <icedwater> hateball: agree :p They might just push the problem down the road, I think.
[09:43] <icedwater> mcphail: I don't know, should I unset it?
[09:43] <Speiros> Ok.  I'll tell you what I have and then maybe you can see if it would work for you.  I have noscript enabled, blocking almost all things, and have it set so that I can choose to temporarily or permanently allow things.  From there, it blocks most things, and I can allow things that I want to watch.  With this program, I can now watch that link, which was initially black-screened.
[09:43] <mcphail> icedwater: it should be blank by default, unless you are trying to override a locale
[09:44] <icedwater> mcphail: Ah, OK. unset it, but it still gives me the same error. Additionally, org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8, I didn't get around to mentioning it earlier.
[09:44] <Speiros> lasersaber Then I allowed the five sites mentioned earlier in the two comments, and I can see Mr Mackey's lesson being taught.
[09:44] <icedwater> Thanks, mcphail
[09:44] <rmx77> hello all
[09:45] <icedwater> rmx77: hi!
[09:45] <lasersaber> ledeni, i just did and no luck :(
[09:45] <rmx77> i am having a few issues one of them is where the computer will randomly just black screen and i have to do a hard reboot and the other issue is with the usb m-audio box where it keeps turning it off and on each time it runs audio and no audio is there so if sound goes through it turns it on if no sound is going through it turns it off also after a hard reboot i have to unplug and plug back in the usb sound box to get the thing to work
[09:45] <rmx77> right
[09:45] <ledeni> lasersaber, close firefox
[09:45] <ledeni> lasersaber, and reopen
[09:46] <mcphail> icedwater: i suspect you need to undo whatever messing around you have been doing with locales before it will work correctly
[09:47] <lasersaber> i can watch the commercial they play before the video plays but cant watch the video!
[09:47] <lasersaber> !!!
[09:47] <icedwater> mcphail: I believe it was only to set LC_, though I did try to sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale a few times today. I don't really know how to undo those
[09:48] <lasersaber> the play button is grey out and i cant click play
[09:48] <Speiros> lasersaber Do you have Noscript on there?
[09:49] <lasersaber> no
[09:49] <hateball> lasersaber: do you have like a little... lego square in your url bar?
[09:49] <hateball> lasersaber: as I said, you may have to force-enable flash for some sites, when click-to-play does not work
[09:50] <lasersaber> hateball, yes
[09:50] <Speiros> lasersaber Ok.  I'm not certain, but my lack of trust of other sites leads me to believe that some things block on purpose other things, where this Noscript allows a person to control what is allowed to work or not.  I'm not certain also that it will definitely work in your circumstances.
[09:50] <hateball> lasersaber: can you click that and choose allow?
[09:50] <Speiros> lasersaber Still, it wasn't working in mine, and it works now, so I think it might work for you too.  If it doesn't, you can delete Noscript again, as it's an add-on.
[09:51] <hateball> lasersaber: in some cases you have pick allow and remember, then reload the page (F5)
[09:51] <Speiros> hateball True, that's an option.
[09:51] <hateball> lasersaber: you'll have the same behavior on http://www.adobe.com/se/software/flash/about/ for instance
[09:52] <linuxcrazy> are software packages installed on Lubuntu of latest versions?
[09:52] <cfhowlett> linuxcrazy, errrrrrrr what?
[09:53] <linuxcrazy> are the softwares of latest version?
[09:53] <lasersaber> hateball, i click allow but there is no remember option. video still wont play
[09:53] <cfhowlett> !latest | linuxcrazy
[09:53] <linuxcrazy> for example LibreOffice, VLC etc.
[09:54] <cfhowlett> linuxcrazy, open a terminal and do:   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:54] <linuxcrazy> ok.
[09:55] <linuxcrazy> thanks a lot.
[09:55] <lasersaber> http://imgur.com/a/wH5Rp
[09:56] <Speiros> lasersaber When you allowed, did the video play?
[09:56] <cfhowlett> happy2help! linuxcrazy
[09:56] <hateball> lasersaber: right, click continue allow and then press F5 to reload the page
[09:56] <lasersaber> when i click allow nothing happens even after a page reload f5
[09:57] <ubuntunewbie> hi
[09:57] <lasersaber> i cant right click allow
[09:57] <lasersaber> wont let me
[09:57] <ubuntunewbie> what colour means in ubuntu installation on disk
[09:58] <ubuntunewbie> orange green, blue
[09:58] <cfhowlett> !details | ubuntunewbie
[09:58] <Speiros> lasersaber Keep in mind the blocker Noscript, and then only allow what you want to dominate the website, rather than the possibility of some other website dominating what you can use.
[09:58] <ubuntunewbie> i have disks sd1 and sda5 to 9
[09:58] <Speiros> lasersaber I have a feeling this is why you can't see it.
[09:58] <ubuntunewbie> sda1 and sda9 i set primary and swap
[09:59] <lasersaber> http://imgur.com/64pJ2XH
[09:59] <hateball> lasersaber: is that chrome or chromium?
[09:59] <lasersaber> but i dont have any blockers
[09:59] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie Those colours, you'll notice are all different.  It is making sure that you don't delete the wrong partition.
[09:59] <lasersaber> chrome
[09:59] <cfhowlett> powered by hulu?   yeah that would be a dealkiller if you're overseas
[09:59] <lasersaber> google chrome
[10:00] <ubuntunewbie> orange colour is given on swap partition and my other drive got same colour
[10:00] <hateball> !screenshot | ubuntunewbie
[10:00] <lasersaber> im in the usa
[10:00] <Speiros> lasersaber That's what I mean.  If there is none, there is nothing to block any malicious sites.  I could be wrong, but it won't hurt to try it, as one, it's free, and two, it works for me.
[10:01] <ubuntunewbie> sorry i'm unable to post screenshot i don't have camera  phone
[10:01] <lasersaber> noscript.net right?
[10:01] <Speiros> lasersaber yes
[10:01] <cfhowlett> ubuntunewbie, are you using IRC from the install computer?
[10:01] <ubuntunewbie> install now show sda1 and sda9 will be formatted
[10:01] <ubuntunewbie> different pc
[10:02] <hateball> Speiros: Why would blocking ads help playing a video? That's making no sense, sounds more like promoting noscript
[10:02] <ubuntunewbie> correction #1 and #9 partition
[10:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntunewbie, use your prtscn key
[10:03] <ubuntunewbie> i'm worried about my backup drive which got same colour as swap partition
[10:03] <Speiros> hateball I'm not here to promote any specific program mate.  The reason I'm saying it is because I use it to stop other scripts from working on my computer, such as facebook, twitter, google, etc, and it works great.  If they aren't blocked, they are able to build up an account, and direct for ad reasons in an underhanded way to other sites.
[10:04] <Speiros> hateball The other reason is I have Mozilla, and opened his link, and got the same black screen, and now it plays.
[10:04] <Speiros> hateball No other reason, nor an ulterior motive :)
[10:05] <lasersaber> Speiros, i've allowed comedycentral.com, cc.com, mathtag.com and mtvnservices.com
[10:05] <lasersaber> still doesn't work :(
[10:05] <Speiros> lasersaber there's the first one too, the one before it...
[10:05] <cfhowlett> lasersaber, what country are you in?
[10:05] <lasersaber> usa
[10:06] <ubuntunewbie> wait 1 min
[10:06] <Speiros> lasersaber The other one was  0914.global.ssl.fastly.net
[10:06] <lasersaber> its the damn lego in my url i think its the problem
[10:06] <Speiros> hateball If it doesn't work, it's easy to delete the add-on.
[10:07] <hateball> Speiros: Just seems a very strange way to troubleshoot something by first blocking it and then allowing it. When it isnt blocked in the first place
[10:07] <hateball> But who am I to judge :)
[10:07] <Speiros> hateball I appreciate that.  It's like a back-titration.
[10:08] <Speiros> hateball If it works, I'll be happy but if it doesn't, I can't suggest anything else on this point personally.
[10:09] <ubuntunewbie> damn so network and slow system
[10:09] <ubuntunewbie> slow*
[10:10] <lasersaber> i need to sleep
[10:10] <Speiros> hateball The ideology is by blocking everything, and then only allowing through what is requried.
[10:10] <ubuntunewbie> light weighted image site?
[10:10] <lasersaber> i will tackle this issue again tomorrow
[10:10] <Speiros> lasersaber Did you add that last one too?
[10:10] <cfhowlett> ubuntunewbie, in English please?
[10:10] <lasersaber> yeah
[10:11] <Speiros> lasersaber And no success?
[10:11] <ubuntunewbie> light weight image hosting site with providing direct image link
[10:11] <lasersaber> thanks for the help
[10:11] <lasersaber> no
[10:11] <Speiros> lasersaber Sorry man.  I don't know what it is then from my end.
[10:11] <cfhowlett> !paste | ubuntunewbie
[10:11] <lasersaber> i'll be back ina few hours
[10:11] <lasersaber> no worries
[10:11] <lasersaber> peace
[10:12] <ubuntunewbie> thanks
[10:12] <Speiros> Damn.  It's a shame that, but I got a good link to watch South Park on.
[10:14] <Speiros> hateball I have a feeling lasersaber's problem is a mixture of a site being a nuisance, and the allowing thing with flash.
[10:15] <Guest22042> hi
[10:16] <Guest22042> i am looking for the chromium and opera bookmarks file in dolphin, can't find where are they stored ?
[10:16] <Guest22042> anyone would help
[10:18] <icedwater> Guest22042: not sure where to start looking, I tried .cache but to no avail.
[10:19] <cfhowlett> .config ?
[10:22] <ubuntunewbie> here is image http://imgur.com/a/MuQ7D
[10:22] <Speiros> How do I open from here another page (as I want to go to Audacity and see why I can't get all the plugins)?
[10:22] <ubuntunewbie> sd7 has same colour as swap partition one.
[10:23] <ubuntunewbie> sda*
[10:23] <ubuntunewbie> so it will format which one?
[10:23] <Guest22042> i am looking for the chromium and opera bookmarks file in dolphin, can't find where are they stored ?
[10:23] <ubuntunewbie> anyone?
[10:24] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie The message you had at your imgur account shows partition 1 and 9, yes?
[10:24] <ubuntunewbie> yeah
[10:24] <ubuntunewbie> #1 and #9
[10:25] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie They will be the ones you are formatting.
[10:25] <ubuntunewbie_> so which sda7 will be formatted along with #9?
[10:25] <cfhowlett> ubuntunewbie, except that is NOT what it said.  you have to read the feedback.
[10:26] <ubuntunewbie_> sda7 is my backup drive
[10:27] <ubuntunewbie_> i just worried about sda7
[10:27] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie If you are unsure, stop the formatting, write down which sda is which, and then format.
[10:27] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie If you are unsure, stop the formatting, write down which sda is which, and then format.
[10:27] <ubuntunewbie> so which sda7 will be formatted along with #9?
[10:27] <ubuntunewbie> sda7 is my backup drive
[10:27] <ubuntunewbie> i just worried about sda7
[10:28] <cfhowlett> ubuntunewbie, READ the feedback.  it says nothing anywhere about sda7.
[10:28] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie Unselect them if you are unsure, then write them down on a piece of paper, so that you have all the details.
[10:28] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie Only then, should you format any drives, when you yourself are 100% certain.
[10:28] <cfhowlett> or you could unplug the backup driver and install, plug it back in after you finish.
[10:29] <ubuntunewbie__> so which sda7 will be formatted along with #9?
[10:29] <ubuntunewbie__> sda7 is my backup drive
[10:29] <ubuntunewbie__> i just worried about sda7
[10:29] <ubuntunewbie__> colour making me confusing
[10:29] <cfhowlett> not sure if bot ...
[10:29] <Speiros> cfhowlett, quit, and then makes comment?  That's a little odd.
[10:29] <ubuntunewbie__> so i abort installation?
[10:30] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ What do you think you'd say if I was to ask you the question, and you were to guide me?
[10:31] <ubuntunewbie__> i would say i don't know or i don't have knowledge
[10:31] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ So if I wasn't sure, you'd not tell me to delete them?
[10:32] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ Therefore, as you are about to delete partitions, you need to be 100% certain for yourself.  Only you are responsible.
[10:32] <cfhowlett> excuse, wait, what?  what are we deleting now?
[10:32] <Speiros> cfhowlett ubuntunewbie__ wants to format two partitions.
[10:33] <cfhowlett> got it.  not the same as deleting - scared me for a moment
[10:33] <ubuntunewbie__> i just installing but ubuntu picking other drive and give swap partition colour which i asking sda7 will be formatted
[10:33] <Speiros> cfhowlett True, but they'll lose information on the drives if there is anything on there.
[10:34] <cfhowlett> ubuntunewbie__, forget the colors.  hear me?  forget the color.  read the text!
[10:34] <ubuntunewbie__> that is why colour is giving me confusing
[10:34] <ubuntunewbie__> okay
[10:34] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ The colours are so you can see that they are separate drives.  There is only a finite amount of colours used, and as for them being the same, you have a decent amount of drives.
[10:34] <ubuntunewbie__> so #9 is sda9
[10:35] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ If you are unsure, then stop, and then restart and write it down as you go as to whether #9 is sda9.
[10:35] <ubuntunewbie__> okay
[10:35] <Speiros> ubuntunewbie__ Then you won't make a mistake.
[10:35] <ubuntunewbie__> thanks
[10:36] <cfhowlett> !cookie | Speiros in lieu of the more traditional brew ...
[10:37] <Speiros> cfhowlett :)  I wish...
[10:41] <Speiros> cfhowlett Hey man...that cookie was nice, but those brown chunks that tasted a little spicy for chocolate are making me sleepy...
[10:41] <cfhowlett> :)
[10:42] <Guest22042> anyone can tell me where can i find opera bookmark file?
[10:45] <Speiros> How do I open another page on here?
[10:45] <Speiros> What command is it after the backslash?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> Speiros, you mean a new tab?
[10:45] <Speiros> Yes, I want to look at the audacity page and the libreoffice page
[10:46] <cfhowlett> Speiros, /join #channelname
[10:46] <freak> hi everyone!
[10:46] <Speiros> cfhowlett Thanks.  I forget easily (I should write them down...lol)
[10:46] <freak> i need help related to snmpd service
[10:46] <cfhowlett> happy2help! Speiros
[10:46] <Speiros> :D
[10:47] <freak> i have configured snmpd service but i couldn't find where and in which file these traps will be stored
[10:47] <freak> any help will be appreciated
[10:48] <Speiros> freak Hi mate.  Sorry, but I personally know nothing about it.
[10:48] <Speiros> freak Others will though.
[10:58] <Speiros> Okay, I think I'm back, yes?
[11:00] <Speiros> Can anyone tell me what this forward slash mode means?
[11:06] <Flannel> Speiros: If you set your mode as +R, you would block queries (think private messaging) from non-registered users.  There was a problem with botnet query spamming a couple weeks ago.
[11:07] <Speiros> Flannel Ah okay.  Thanks for that.
[11:07] <soheil> hi
[11:07] <soheil> how can i install vmware on ubuntu 14.04
[11:07] <cfhowlett> !vmware | soheil
[11:08] <soheil> can someone give me a link for download vmware.bundle
[11:09] <cfhowlett> soheil, did you even read the link I sent?  ALL the info is there.
[11:11] <IhrFussel> Is Ubuntu 16.04 stable enough yet to use for a root server?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> I'd say so but check with #ubuntu-server
[11:11] <ikonia> IhrFussel: "root" server ?
[11:11] <ikonia> what's a root server
[11:11] <Speiros> soheil That link that cfhowlett posted made the bot give you two links.
[11:11] <IhrFussel> A root server is one you don't share with others (like VPS)
[11:11] <soheil> i did read that but i need a link for download .bundle
[11:12] <k1l> IhrFussel: it was stable from the beginning. the stableness means it doesnt change that much so the tested setups are stable.
[11:12] <nugroho> WHA420355-SOC155694-YMH297433-WHA800477-JPL749250-APB800779
[11:12] <cfhowlett> nugroho, sopt
[11:12] <ikonia> soheil: talk to vmware then
[11:13] <ikonia> soheil: it's their product, their website,
[11:13] <soheil> VMware-Workstation-6.5.0-118166.i386.bundle
[11:13] <IhrFussel> k1l, alright thanks...I was wondering that cause my hoster now offers 16.04 and I used 14.04 before
[11:13] <cfhowlett> soheil, right.  go to the website
[11:13] <soheil> i cant
[11:13] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, 16.04 is an LTS release as is 14.04.  sounds like your hoster is doing the decent thing keeping you advised.
[11:14] <cfhowlett> soheil, well, since this is not an ubuntu product and is not even a recommended solution, not much for us to do.
[11:14] <soheil> it is denied from my country
[11:15] <ikonia> soheil: then even if we had a URL you couldn't get it
[11:15] <cfhowlett> soheil, but virtualbox is not
[11:15] <ikonia> soheil: pickup the phone to vmware
[11:15] <soheil> just give me link i can get it
[11:16] <ikonia> soheil: you've just said the website is blocked, so you can't
[11:16] <cfhowlett> www.vmware.com soheil
[11:16] <ikonia> soheil: if the website isn't blocked, look at their website
[11:16] <cfhowlett> curious soheil: what country blocks vmware?  or is it your ISP that blocks it
[11:17] <soheil> VMware
[11:17] <soheil> Content Not Available
[11:17] <soheil> Dear user, the web content you have requested is not available.
[11:17] <ikonia> soheil: then use the phone
[11:17] <soheil> i see this when i browse
[11:17] <ikonia> soheil: sorry, but this is outside the scope of this channel
[11:18] <ikonia> soheil: vmware has a website, and other support resources
[11:18] <soheil> there is no phone
[11:18] <cfhowlett> soheil, not - an - ubuntu - problem.  use virtualbox
[11:19] <soheil> okay
[11:19] <Speiros> :)
[11:19] <soheil> you couldnt just tell me a link
[11:19] <Speiros> soheil At least you have some other places to start to look.
[11:20] <ikonia> soheil: no
[11:20] <soheil> its what it is
[11:20] <ikonia> ?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> !vbox | soheil
[11:21] <th__72> hi
[11:34] <feodoran> one of my screens remains black even though it works during boot (and on windows). it worked just fine when I installed ubuntu. the other screen works just fine. what can I check for?
[11:34] <cfhowlett> xrandr something or other feodoran
[11:35] <Anthaas> What is the easiest way to take the contents of a machine running Ubuntu and clone it to a VM (VirtualBox for example)
[11:37] <feodoran> cfhowlett: if I try to enable the screen in the settings it just stays black
[11:37] <hateball> !clone | Anthaas
[11:37] <hateball> no
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !clone | Anthaas
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !cloning
[11:37] <hateball> Anthaas: I'd use clonezilla, personally
[11:38] <th___72> hi
[11:40] <Speiros> th___72 Hi:)  How's your computer going?  Well, how are you going too...
[11:40] <Speiros> lo;l
[11:40] <Anthaas> hateball: Limitations of Clonezilla - the destination partition must be equal or larger than the source one. The source in my case is the machine Im on - its the whole machine - on the destination it will be a VM...
[11:41] <Speiros> Anthaas Does that mean that your computer you're putting these things on is smaller than the partition you have already?
[11:41] <Anthaas> Well, its a VM so I would assume that is naturally the case?
[11:41] <hateball> Anthaas: you can resize your partitions prior to cloning. there's advanced flags to ignore the size limit as well, as long as the data fits
[11:41] <ikonia> Anthaas: you can use disk images of a certain format to act as a virtual disk for a vm
[11:41] <ikonia> Anthaas: you'll always have to make a few changed, eg: mac address on the nic
[11:41] <hateball> that's also an option
[11:42] <Speiros> hateball's got it:)
[11:43] <Speiros> Anthaas I didn't understand how a person could in a very broad and rough explanation "cut and paste" as such into a smaller filesize.
[11:44] <IhrFussel> My root server installation now asks me about the partition...if I only choose / will I still have /home as folder? It gives me the options "only /" "/ and /home" "/ /home and /var" ... do I need to choose the one containing /home for it to create the user folders?
[11:44] <mcphail> IhrFussel: no
[11:44] <ikonia> IhrFussel: home is a directory
[11:45] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you need to stop calling it a "root" server as that means nothing to anyone other than you, and just adds confusion
[11:45] <Anthaas> apt-clone just copies packages right, nothing in the filesystem (Documents, etc...)
[11:45] <ikonia> Anthaas: correct
[11:45] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, you might consider taking this to #ubuntu-server.
[11:45] <mcphail> IhrFussel: unless you have a reason to create separate partitions, you can stick to a simple "/" partition. All the needed directories will be made
[11:47] <IhrFussel> mcphail, okay then I'll just stick with / partition..thanks
[11:47] <IhrFussel> ikonia, the hoster advertises it as "Root Server Linux D100"
[11:48] <ikonia> IhrFussel: it means nothing to anyone
[11:48] <Speiros> Why IS that an option?  What is the reason why when partitioning a drive, the name is for a certain sub alternative as well as "/"?
[11:48] <k1l> IhrFussel: that is more of a marketing name. root server could mean that its not a virtualized server. but that is not important for that partitioning.
[11:49] <hateball> !fhs | Speiros
[11:49] <IhrFussel> k1l, yep they mean a dedicated server that you don't share with other customers
[11:49] <Speiros> hateball Thanks man.
[11:49] <hateball> Speiros: one reason is that you dont want to grind the system to a halt if some directory like /var gets full, for instance
[11:50] <ikonia> thats pretty much one of the best examples you could see
[11:50] <hateball> Speiros: putting /home on its own partition is nice for reinstalling, since you dont have to backup/restore user data
[11:51] <Speiros> hateball Aah, okay.  So similar to having the files on a separate drive, except partitioned...I'm slow, but steady I think.
[11:52] <hateball> Well you couldnt really keep files on another drive without it having partitions either
[11:52] <hawa> this works `sudo tail /var/log/auth.log -n 30 -f | grep -i <searchword>`, this doesnt `sudo tail /var/log/auth.log -n 30 -f | grep -i <searchword> | tee -a outputfile`
[11:53] <hateball> hawa: and where is outputfile?
[11:53] <hawa> in my home folder
[11:53] <hateball> also you can read auth.log without using sudo
[11:54] <hawa> okay. thanks
[11:54] <hawa> but why isnt writing to file not working.
[11:54] <hawa> hateball, third level pipe is not working for anything
[11:54] <Speiros> hateball Nice.
[12:00]  * Speiros is away: He's off breaking something, probably!!
[12:06]  * Speiros is back (gone 00:05:59)
[12:12] <red_> hey everyone
[12:12] <Speiros> :)
[12:13] <red_> how do I add items to the top bar in Ubuntu 16.10?
[12:13] <red_> I want to add CPU temperature to it...
[12:13] <Speiros> red_ You can drag them from the search button to the bar after they're downloaded.
[12:14] <k1l> red_: you can use indicators
[12:14] <k1l> red_: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[12:14] <Speiros> red_ Then you can lock them by right-clicking and selecting that option.
[12:15] <red_> k1l, ty, was reading that.
[12:15] <Speiros> * looks as he realises he might be in the wrong ball-park...:\
[12:16] <k1l> Speiros: the standard ubuntu got unity as desktop.
[12:17] <red_> k1l, any indicators that you personally use/recommend?
[12:17] <red_> also, is it possible to correctly determine whether laptop is overheating, from the values shwn in such applets?
[12:18] <cfhowlett> !sensors | red_
[12:19] <red_> cfhowlett, i've installed it already, but how to enable then? running `lm-sensors &` in terminal didn't do it.
[12:19] <red_> ow, netsplit.
[12:19] <k1l> red_: well, that is a personal thing. but i use sshplus, radiotray, system load indicator, hardware sensor indicator, my weather indicator, cpufreq, caffein, redshift,  and others
[12:20] <Ben64> k1l: weather works for you? it stopped for me months ago
[12:20] <red_> k1l, all those in that AU link before?
[12:20] <k1l> Ben64: there are 2 indicators, the my-weather-indicator works for me.
[12:20] <k1l> red_: yes. just look at the answers and read the descriptions. its a very good overview
[12:21] <Speiros> What causes all these people to drop out and then re-sign in?
[12:21] <Firefly67> netsplit?
[12:21] <k1l> !netsplit
[12:21] <Ben64> Speiros: irc server issues
[12:22] <cfhowlett> !quietirc | Speiros,
[12:23] <Speiros> cfhowlett Thanks:)
[12:23] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:25] <Firefly67> I have some questions about partitioning a disk to install Ubuntu with Windows. Can I ask here, is there anyone around familiar with this?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !dualboot | Firefly67
[12:25] <cfhowlett> read first, then ask
[12:26] <Firefly67> I have read, I have made a recovery image of Windows and a live Ubuntu USB, now I am wondering how to assign space to Windows and Linux
[12:27] <Firefly67> I followed these instructions: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html
[12:27] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, depends on how much data you expect to have on your #buntu. a basic no frills/no data = about 15 gb
[12:27] <red_> k1l, ppa:alexmurray/indicator-sensors this one works for you?
[12:28] <k1l> red_: the "my-weather-indicator"
[12:28] <k1l> red_: there are other weather indicators. so please look carefully
[12:28] <Conner05> I just got an SSD and installed it in my Dell 7559 laptop. I now have a HDD and SSD. I want to install Ubuntu on the SSD and use it as my primary machine. Do I need to change from AHCI to ATA?
[12:29] <hateball> Firefly67: Do you mean you are unsure how much space to assign to each? Because the Ubuntu installer will do the partitioning itself, assigning 50% to each OS by default iirc
[12:29] <Firefly67> I have a 256 GB SSD, only 221 GB seems available (18 GB is taken up by recovery drive(?), not sure what that is). Windows is currently taking up 108 GB. I intend to use Ubuntu primarily, Windows only to make powerpoint presentations.
[12:29] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, 50/50
[12:29] <red_> k1l, you mentioned hardware sensor indicator...
[12:29] <Firefly67> cfhowlett, hateball, according to my tutorial, I shrink the space in Windows first
[12:30] <cfhowlett> true
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: That's advisable yes, if you want to use that space in Ubuntu instead
[12:30] <IhrFussel> Will "adduser" create the home folder in /home by default?
[12:30] <k1l> red_: i just mentioned things that are named on the askubuntu link
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: Altho you can always resize things later on should you like
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: Can be good to keep that in mind
[12:30] <red_> k1l, <k1l> red_: well, that is a personal thing. but i use sshplus, radiotray, system load indicator, hardware sensor indicator, my weather indicator, cpufreq, caffein, redshift,  and others
[12:30] <red_> I meant this...
[12:31] <Firefly67> are there any guidelines? I have read variously that you must have at least 10 GB more on Windows than it is currently taking up, elsewhere I read you must allocate 10% more space than it is currently taking up, to prevent fragmentation.
[12:31] <hateball> Firefly67: Not much you can do to prevent fragmentation on NTFS anyway. Not that it matters much in the day of SSD anyhow
[12:32] <k1l> red_: yes, everything i said, you can find on that askubuntu page
[12:32] <red_> k1l, yes, but that PPA listed is 404
[12:33] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, split your available HDD in half.
[12:33] <red_> last build for hardware sensor indcator was 2 years ago, https://launchpad.net/~alexmurray/+archive/ubuntu/indicator-sensors
[12:33] <zamanf> how can I access the music library of my iPhone?
[12:33] <Ben64> k1l: so it seems like the api has changed and it doesn't work by default anymore (at least on 14.04)
[12:33] <zamanf> I tried amarok and banshee it doesnt recongnise it
[12:33] <cfhowlett> mtp zamanf - hopefully
[12:33] <k1l> red_: you are right. its outdated. but i still have that on my machine, since its way older than 2 years
[12:34] <red_> so old k1l ;p
[12:34] <k1l> Ben64: yes, there were some updates. maybe you need to change to another data provider. i use yahoo in the settings
[12:34] <Firefly67> cfhowlett, my SDD has 221 GB available, Windows already is 108 GB big, 1/2 would 110 GB which according to what I have read is inadvisable because it doesn't leave at least 10 GB additional space for Windows
[12:34] <zamanf> mtp?
[12:34] <red_> im on bleeding edge ubuntu :P
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !itunes | zamanf,
[12:34] <ikonia> red_: what is vleeding edge ubuntu
[12:34] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, fine.  75/25
[12:34] <k1l> red_: i am using 16.10. this machine was upgraded since many years
[12:34] <ikonia> red_: do you mean the 17.04 pre-release ?
[12:34] <zamanf> !players
[12:35] <red_> ikonia, please go easy on me, i was only kidding -_-
[12:35] <zamanf> cfhowlett, I installed banshee. I can't see my iphone there
[12:35] <cfhowlett> zamanf, and you might not.  apple deliberately makes it a huge PITA to use anything other than Apple with their products
[12:36] <red_> k1l, any way I can install it? by downloading the package and using dpkg?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> zamanf, I gave up, put a basic windows install in a virtualbox, added itunes and manage things from there
[12:36] <k1l> red_: i dont know if that works. maybe you can ask the ppa maintainer if he will make new builds
[12:36] <Firefly67> I want to allocate enough to Windows, but since it won't be my primary OS, not too much. I was thinking 125 GB for Windows, 96 GB for Linux - does that sound reasonable? Currently Windows is taking up 108 GB, and I have 221 GB to partition.
[12:36] <zamanf> I see
[12:37] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, more than adequate
[12:37] <red_> k1l, i don't understand how yours didn't break when you upgraded?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, OR ...
[12:38] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, keep your current windows, install virtualbox, install a light *buntu to the box; Lubuntu or Xubuntu.  Learn the system and get a feel for just how much space you're likely to need in a proper dual boot.
[12:39] <hateball> Firefly67: Or do the opposite, backup your data, install Ubuntu on full disk and run Windows in a VM or Powerpoint in Wine if that's all you need it for :D
[12:39] <hateball> there are many options.
[12:41] <Firefly67> ok, I will do the simplest, just partition it. I am doing this for the first time, so want to keep it simple
[12:42] <Firefly67> also, once I install Ubuntu from the live USB, am I done, or do I have to do some partitioning on Ubuntu too? I hear of people allocation swap memory(?) and such
[12:42] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, use the ubuntu autopartition
[12:44] <Firefly67> the tutorial says " By default the Ubuntu installer will create an ext4 partition for Ubuntu and all of your personal files and a swap partition used for swapping idle processes when memory gets low."
[12:44] <Firefly67> so is this taken care of by the Ubuntu installation, it does it smartly by itself and I don't have to worry about how much swap space it allocates?
[12:44] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, yes.
[12:44] <Firefly67> ok
[12:45] <cfhowlett> also another good reason to practice first with a vbox before committing to a dual boot
[12:45] <Firefly67> and will it come with the directory structure already there - /usr, /local, /bin, /home, etc.?
[12:45] <hateball> Firefly67: Yes.
[12:45] <Firefly67> ok, and emacs, latex already pre-installed?
[12:46] <hateball> No.
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, nope, but easily addded
[12:46] <Firefly67> ok, with sudo apt-get?
[12:46] <hateball> Or a graphical package manager of choice, yes
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, sudo apt or via the gnome software center
[12:46] <Firefly67> ok
[12:47] <littlejames> App Grid is good choice
[12:47] <littlejames> maybe
[12:48] <Firefly67> on my current (old) laptop I see "software and updates" - is that where I install emacs, python, latex from?
[12:48] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, depends on the ubuntu version
[12:49] <Firefly67> I am on 14 now, will install 16 on the new laptop
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, nope.  things are changed in 16.40 which you should get
[12:49] <littlejames>  sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:appgrid/stable
[12:49] <littlejames>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install appgrid
[12:50] <cyphix> How do I check if a given module is currently loaded?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> littlejames, this aint' the terminal, amigo
[12:50] <Ben64> cyphix: lsmod
[12:50] <Firefly67> ok, I will think about that once I get Ubuntu installed first
[12:51] <cyphix> Ben64: I see the output, but I can't interpret it. If a module has a 0 as a last info, does it mean it's not loaded?
[12:51] <Ben64> lsmod lists loaded modules
[12:51] <cyphix> ah ok
[12:53] <cyphix> My toshiba laptop does not wake up from sleep mode anymore. What should I look for in my investigation?
[12:55] <Speiros> cyphix When you shut it down and restart it, it works?
[12:55] <web_212> what does it mean when the url starts with "dl"?
[12:57] <cyphix> Speiros: Yes. The problem only occurs when I put it to sleep. Then, when I try to wake it up, it stays black. I have to hold the power button to shut it down, and restart it. Every time.
[12:57] <cfhowlett> web_212, no context = no answers.  try being less ... vague
[12:57] <Speiros> cyphix To start with, you could turn sleep mode off.  I know it's not the solution, but it would mean you have to physically turn it off consciously.  Does it do it when you log off too?
[12:58] <web_212> there's specific website that starts out with the url "dl". I'm wondering what that means cyphix
[12:58] <Speiros> web_212 Can you type the whole link, including the http:// bit?
[12:58] <cyphix> Speiros: Logging off/on works fine too
[12:59] <web_212> http://dl.vahidfilm.com/Serial/Friends/
[12:59] <Firefly67> someone here said it is possible to resize partitions later if my needs change. Is that a complicated process? I guess it would mean transferring files from one OS to another or something like that, which sounds complicated?
[12:59] <cyphix> Speiros: I'll try with an older kernel
[12:59] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, not trivial but do-able
[12:59] <Speiros> web_212 It's probably a language thing, or separated page from vahidfilm.com
[12:59] <cfhowlett> web_212, did you open the site
[12:59] <ioria> dl = download ?
[12:59] <web_212> ioria probably, yeah
[13:00] <ioria> yep
[13:00] <Speiros> cyphix Yeah, fair enough.  I'd be turning it off for the time being, but still, it's a security issue if you forget to log off in the meantime.
[13:00] <Speiros> ioria True!  dl...makes sense regarding movies.
[13:00] <ioria> yup
[13:01] <cyphix> Speiros: I realize I can connect to it through ssh. So it's "working", it simply remains black
[13:01] <cyphix> (when I wake it up)
[13:02] <ioria> cyphix, it stays black or it does not wake at all ?
[13:02] <Speiros> cyphix  That's strange that.  I don't know what it could be.
[13:03] <cyphix> ioria: the screen stays black. But I can operate on it through ssh
[13:04] <ioria> cyphix, try to switch to console and back to gui (ctrl+alt+fx)
[13:04] <hateball> cyphix: nvidia driver?
[13:05] <cyphix> ioria: I just tried it, it does not help
[13:05] <cyphix> how do I select which kernel to use at start up?
[13:06] <cyphix> hateball, I should check, but I don't think it uses nvidia
[13:06] <cyphix> it's an old toshiba
[13:07] <ioria> cyphix, grub -> advanced options
[13:07] <cyphix> ioria: I don't see the grup options at startup...
[13:08] <hateball> cyphix: hold/hammer left shift
[13:09] <fub> Any recommendations for a good password manager? Keepassx has no/bad browser integration and keepass2 is just an ugly ported .NET app :/
[13:09] <hateball> cyphix: during bootup that is. I should be more clear
[13:10] <ioria> cyphix, edit /etc/default/grub and comment GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 with a '#' and run sudo update-grub
[13:12] <maxime__> Hello, i have a question regarding a fresh ubuntu installation
[13:12] <cfhowlett> ask, maxime__
[13:14] <maxime__> I just received a new laptop with ubuntu preinstalled. I start it up and I get a setup screen. I fail to enter the correct wifi password, decide to do it later and press 'Cancel'. It then went to a temporary 'Guest' user. How do i restart the setup process? Thank you
[13:14] <cfhowlett> maxime__, reboot
[13:14] <maxime__> I tried restarting it, but it automatically goes back to the login screen with only a guest user.
[13:16] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I tried restarting it, but it automatically goes back to the login screen with only a guest user.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> maxime__, contact your seller / manufacturer
[13:18] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'll do that then. thank you for your time.
[13:18] <Speiros> maxime__ cfhowlett has good advice, as it's still under warranty.
[13:18] <ioria> maxime__, did you create a user ?
[13:18] <maxime__> ioria: I never created a user no
[13:19] <Speiros> maxime__ What are you looking to do?
[13:19] <ioria> maxime__,  so.... no other option then Guest account...
[13:20] <maxime__> Speiros: Just installing and setting up the computer. It went out of the main setup screen and i'm looking for that to reopen/restart...
[13:20] <ioria> maxime__,  no experience with preinstalled stuff, but maybe you can restart the configuration setup
[13:21] <ioria> maxime__,   usually ubuntu is configured by the user himself during the install process
[13:21] <Speiros> maxime__ Yes, it's best off seeing the manufacturer if it's still under warranty.
[13:22] <maxime__> Speiros, ioria, I was trying to do it myself but indeed, i need that first configuring screen again. Can't find it anywhere in google thou...
[13:23] <ioria> maxime__,   what  pc is that ?
[13:23] <marekw2143> hi, which terminal app can you suggeswt
[13:23] <ripper17> hi all, I can't play mp4 videos in firefox on Ubuntu 14.04 , even though gstreamer1.0-libav and gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg are installed (which is the solution that a google-search suggested) - any more ideas?
[13:23] <marekw2143> to easily navigate between tabs
[13:23] <maxime__> ioria: It's a new Dell xps 13
[13:24] <elh9> marekw2143, yakuake
[13:24] <cfhowlett> maxime__, do not muck around if you do not know precisely what you are doing!  take this to the dell support forums, twitter and facebook
[13:25] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'm trying to contact them right now through their site and facebook.
[13:25] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I got more response via twitter
[13:26] <cfhowlett> #dellcares
[13:26] <maxime__> cfhowlett: Ow, ok. I'll try that then, thankyou :)
[13:26] <cfhowlett> happ2help!
[13:26] <hateball> maxime__: dunno if this is relevant http://www.dell.com/support/article/se/sv/sebsdt1/SLN265750/EN
[13:26] <hateball> suggests you can restore the OS during boot, quite easily
[13:27] <cfhowlett> yeah, no, it ain't that easy
[13:27] <cfhowlett> and that page is WAY out of date
[13:28] <hateball> "Note: While this article and the pictures used were created around Ubuntu 9.04, the steps listed are still valid for the latest LTS versions."
[13:28] <hateball> anyhow, contacting support if an option is probably best
[13:29] <maxime__> cfhowlett: ok, i have twitter but never really used it. You just make a tweed and add their hashtag?
[13:29] <sruli> need to do some ps grepping while apt / dpkg is running, what is a large application which might take at least few minutes to install so i can do my grepping?
[13:30] <cfhowlett> maxime__, a very gentle "I'm frustrated! #dell XPS 13 won't install ubuntu!" should do it.
[13:30] <cfhowlett> they do monitor that channel pretty continuously
[13:31] <maxime__> cfhowlett: haha, okay. I'll try that one
[13:31] <ioria> maxime__,  you can try to press esc or shift right after the bios screen, and see if it presents some useful options, or exit if you don't feel safe with those
[13:31] <red_> k1l, if you are using sshplus, could you tell me how to retain it in the topbar? it seems i have to run it from a terminal and keep that terminal open always... i attempted to force to run in bg with `sshplus.py &` but that does not work.
[13:33] <ioria> red if it's a panel indicator you can use Startup Applications
[13:34] <ioria> red type Startup Applications in dash then 'add' and give it the path to the script
[13:36] <maxime__> ioria: esc gave Dell support assist but it has nothing to do with software or ubuntu sadly. Shift didn't do nothing. The bios is pretty bad to and also no ubuntu stuff there.
[13:36] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I have the m3800, i.e. xps13's big brother.  proceed with extreme caution
[13:36] <Callek> hihi, so I am having an issue... I'm on a lenovo laptop, connected to wifi -- frequently it seems (multiple times per day) lately (last 2 weeks) I'm getting internet drops. Network manager says wifi is still connected, I just lose DNS, a restart of network manager reconnects automatically and all works out fine...
[13:37] <Callek> ... I just ran a loop with dig and timestamps to identify when that starts... it just happened again, and ONLY thing in syslog for that window was:
[13:37] <Callek> Jan  3 08:32:15 Centaurus sudo: pam_ecryptfs: pam_sm_authenticate: /home/callek is already mounted
[13:37] <ioria> maxime__, we don't want to nuke your warranty
[13:37] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'm not changing anythin without knowing what it is or what it does, i just looked if there was an obvious option for restart the config
[13:37] <Callek> I was actively using the computer, so it wasn't a screensaver (afaik)
[13:38] <Callek> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[13:38] <Callek> googling only takes me to screensaver and stuff about remote login, neither of which are the case here.
[13:41] <ioria> i frankly find weird that you don't have the chance to run that setu again ...
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ioria, dell has some highly customized thing going on.  it is not the normal OEM install.
[13:43] <Callek> ...incase it wasn't clear, `callek` is my username on this laptop :-)
[13:43] <ioria> cfhowlett, i see
[13:48] <taliptako> i didnt get any update from Ubuntu repos for a 10 day
[13:48] <taliptako> did i enable the automatic updates ? or Ubuntu didnt realese any update
[13:49] <cfhowlett> taliptako, open a terminal: sudo apt update | pastebinit && sudo apt full-upgrade | pastebinit
[13:50] <taliptako> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733482/
[13:50] <taliptako> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733483/
[13:50] <taliptako> cfhowlett here they are
[13:50] <cfhowlett> well there it is then.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> you probably enabled background auto updates.
[13:51] <taliptako> oh yea but whats happening if i shut down my computer
[13:51] <baffone85> salve a tutti, ho un problema con ubuntu, non mi fa più scaricare gli aggiornamenti. Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
[13:51] <taliptako> while updates are installing
[13:51] <cfhowlett> taliptako, don
[13:52] <enzotib> !it | baffone85
[13:52] <cfhowlett> taliptako, do not do that.
[13:52] <Conner05> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu on my new SSD. I clicked restart like it said and now it's hung at the Ubuntu logo with 3 of the five dots being white. What should I do?
[13:52] <baffone85> grazie mille
[13:53] <maxime__> ioria, cfhowlett, I just called the dell technical support. He said I just had to install a new Ubuntu from the Ubuntu site. He said they don't have their own version. The os support is directly from Ubuntu. I told him I asked here first and that you guys told me they use a custom version. He said that is not true...?
[13:53] <FinalX> Conner05: afaik, hitting esc when splash screen first appears, makes it show the normal startup, you can then more easily see where it gets stuck on
[13:53] <cfhowlett> maxime__, no it is ubuntu, but their OEM install is customized.
[13:54] <ioria> maxime__, if at first startup it asked you to configure the os, it's the standard ubuntu version
[13:54] <cfhowlett> his solution would indeed work BUT ... to keep all of the default grub options, do not install grub.
[13:54] <Conner05> Finalx OK. My fans are cranking right now. Is it OK to just shut it off with the power button then try to boot again?
[13:54] <cfhowlett> after you complete the install, reboot to the terminal and do a sudo grub-update command
[13:55] <FinalX> Conner05: I'd try ctrl-alt-del first, see if that helps. If your harddisk LED isn't showing any activity for a while, it's probably stuck. Keep in mind that it can also be a systemd timeout for networking, and that takes quite a few minutes. Shutting off power is never really a good idea, but sometimes it's your only option
[13:55] <cfhowlett> a regular install will wipe out their options, including the Dell Restore option.
[13:56] <ioria> maxime__,   if it ships with ubuntu preinstalled, how can he say that 'you need to 'to install a new Ubuntu from the Ubuntu site' ?
[13:56] <ioria> maxime__,   does it makes sense for you ?
[13:57] <maxime__> ioria: I don't know, they don't give a usb neither. I have to download it myself...
[13:57] <maxime__> ioria: nope it doesn't, but what choice do i have
[13:57] <maxime__> cfhowlett: In a normal ubuntu install does it asks me to install grub where i can say no or do i need a special instal?
[13:58] <ioria> maxime__,   but, as cfhowlett remarked, it has (had) a highly customized version...  the new install won't be the same, iam afraid
[13:58] <cfhowlett> maxime__, select the manual install option, do not format your existing partitions, and do not install a bootloader
[13:59] <Conner05> Finalx I restarted it and it took me to a screen asking me if I wanted to install Ubuntu or try it or whatever (weird since I already installed it supposedly) now the CMD line is saying the cpu#1 is stuck
[14:00] <Speiros> maxime__ So they gave you no startup disc nor a USB startup disc either?
[14:00] <ioria> maxime__,   are you sure you don't have a rescue disk included ?
[14:01] <maxime__> Speiros: nope, a box with the laptop, charging cable, quick start guide (for windows...) and safety guide.
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Speiros, nope.  restore to factory settings is in the boot options and I believe there was a reminder after booting up to create a startup uSB
[14:01] <cfhowlett> the days of "hey dummy!  here's a disc in case you murder something vital!" are over.
[14:02] <Speiros> Ok.  Not good that they didn't supply a physical copy though.  That's (in my opinion) neglectful on the packaging department management.
[14:02] <ioria> this is not the right place, but it's not fair
[14:02] <Speiros> Still, it isn't helping the issue.
[14:03] <Speiros> ioria, what is there on your computer now that you're worried about losing if you did a boot with a disc or a usb?
[14:03] <cyphix> Speiros: ioria Sorry, had to leave. Switching to an older kernel doesn't change the problem. I still can connect to it via ssh, but the screen remains black
[14:03] <Speiros> ioria is it correct that there is nothing yet on it?
[14:03] <maxime__> You know what is amazing. You guys don't get paid and he does. You give good and direct support whereas he only said, install it again. Can't do more for you...
[14:04] <Speiros> cyphix That's okay.  It's a shame it isn't working though.  Can it be turned off for now?
[14:04] <cfhowlett> maxime__, regarding that: direct your email to the dell sputnik project staff and/or forums
[14:04] <ioria> Speiros, i agree with you, their conduct it's not fair
[14:05] <cyphix> Speiros: What do you mean turning it off? I manually put my computer on sleep (or when I close the lid)
[14:05] <cfhowlett> maxime__, http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/
[14:05] <Speiros> cyphix Is there a setting for you to be able to turn that off in your "settings", like there is for battery power, etc.?
[14:06] <cyphix> Speiros: probably yes, but that is not a convenient solution
[14:07] <Speiros> cyphix No, I appreciate it isn't the optimum solution mate.  Sorry I don't have anything else to actually address the issue, excepting that someone else has more experience, and also that it may be a physical problem.
[14:08] <cyphix> Ok, thanks anyway!
[14:08] <Speiros> cyphix No problem, but sorry man:)
[14:08] <Speiros> cyphix Somebody else on here will have more experience than me man.  I'm pretty inexperienced.
[14:09] <cyphix> That said, it worked fine until about a week ago...
[14:09] <Speiros> cyphix do you remember the trigger that made it happen, or any circumstances surrounding it?
[14:10] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I made a ubuntu img and am starting it right now
[14:10] <cfhowlett> maxime__, best of luc
[14:10] <IhrFussel> Does mv work recursively by default?
[14:10] <Speiros> cyphix Even if I don't know the solution, the questions will help in creating a log, and somebody else might be able to troubleshoot it.
[14:10] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, nope.
[14:11] <IhrFussel> cfhowlett, alternatives that do it recusively? =/
[14:12] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, mv can work by default if you tell it to.  But not by default
[14:13] <IhrFussel> I don't see an option for that in the man page
[14:13] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you move top level everything under it will go too
[14:13] <ikonia> eg: mv /foo will take /foo/bar and /foo/blah with it
[14:14] <IhrFussel> ikonia, But isn't that recursively? I'm confused
[14:14] <Callek> my issue (posted ~30 min ago) just happened again -- but at 9:07 my time...
[14:14] <cfhowlett> as am I --- but more likely I was in error IhrFussel
[14:14] <ikonia> IhrFussel: I think thats just a wording error,
[14:14] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I get 3 options for installing. Reinstall (all files, docs,... are kept, software kept where possible, system-wide settings cleared), Erase and reinstall (Deletes all above), Erase disk and resinstall. Then at the bottom there is 'Something else (create or resize partitions yourself or choose multiple parts)'. I'm guessing I need the second one?
[14:15] <ikonia> it's not "recursive" in such as moving individual items, but if you move the top, if has to take everything under it with you
[14:15] <tozen> cypfix: what a problem u've got?
[14:15] <Callek> log from syslog and then potentially related info of whats in my /tmp *after* a network manager restart https://irccloud.mozilla.com/pastebin/dKM1krXH/
[14:16] <IhrFussel> ikonia, so if I have /a/b/c/d.txt and do mv /a/b /a it will take d.txt too?
[14:17] <cyphix> tozen: When I put my laptop on sleep, I can't wake it up. The screen remains black, although I can connect to it via ssh
[14:17] <Speiros> tozen cyphix has a screen that stays black when the computer goes to sleep, even though he can see that it is not actually sleeping, but awake from sleep.
[14:18] <cfhowlett> maxime__, yeah, sounds right, but
[14:18] <Speiros> cyphix Come to think of it mate, after typing that, it really could be a physical problem.  I had a laptop a number of years ago, and it was the connector between the laptop body and the screen.
[14:19] <tozen> cyphix: which model? system release? kernel?
[14:20] <cyphix> Speiros: It might, but I don't close the lid. I manually activate the sleep mode, so I don't move the screen. It shouldn't affect the connection then.
[14:20] <noncom|2> Flannel: it happened again. Emacs disappeared once more
[14:20] <Speiros> cyphix Yes, I see.
[14:21] <cyphix> tozen: It's a toshiba Satelite Pro, Ubuntu 16.04, kernel 4.4.0.57
[14:21] <noncom|2> dpkg -i ***.deb did not do the trick
[14:21] <maxime__> cfhowlett: but?
[14:22] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I've not done it from an OEM system like this so results may not be as expected. worst case: you'll have a fully functional ubuntu system but none of the dell extras.   first world problem
[14:23] <maxime__> cfhowlett: Oh yeah, well isn't so bad. What extra dell functions do they even give with ubuntu. And indeed, first world problem, I can do perfectly with just normal ubuntu :)
[14:24] <noncom|2> there is a problem I'm getting on ubuntu -- after I instal a package, the application disappears over time
[14:24] <hateball> cyphix: you could try a later kernel by installing linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[14:24] <noncom|2> can anyone help with this?
[14:25] <noncom|2> last time I installed it -- I used dpkg -i PACKAGE.deb to install
[14:25] <noncom|2> now it's gone again, by itself
[14:25] <cfhowlett> maxime__, noncom|2 if you dpkg install - which you should not be doing - yes, that can happen
[14:25] <noncom|2> why does it happen?
[14:25] <noncom|2> how can it get uninstalled... ?
[14:26] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, 1.  dpkg does not capture dependencies.  2.  later upgrades can and do remove old packages that are no longer needed
[14:26] <cyphix> hateball: I simply install it and reboot?
[14:26] <gt-my-test> hi
[14:26] <gt-my-test> join linux from windows
[14:26] <hateball> cyphix: that's the idea yes. you can pick your kernel in grub menu (hold left shift) if the newer one doesnt work properly
[14:26] <cyphix> hateball: ok, I'll try that
[14:27] <Speiros> gt-my-test What do you mean?
[14:27] <gt-my-test> where is this place
[14:27] <cfhowlett> gt-my-test, this is ubuntu support - read the topic please
[14:27] <gt-my-test> i dumb windows 10 for linux
[14:28] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: you know, what, I installed Emacs 25.1.1 as by the instruction (./configure, make, checkinstall) because apt-get does not know about it. then I did apt-get upgrade which for whatever reason downloaded Emacs 24. after this happened, my installation of Emacs 25 automatically disappears after several hours after the installation
[14:28] <Conner05> 2nd fresh Ubuntu install and it's stuck on splash screen again after restart. Pressing ESC or ctrl alt del does nothing.
[14:28] <gt-my-test> is there something like itunes for linux
[14:28] <cfhowlett> !itunes | gt-my-test
[14:29] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: in my mind that behaviour is unthinkable -- its even worse than Windows Update -- the app gets auto-removed SILENTLY after a few hours
[14:29] <cfhowlett> Conner05, did you 1. md5sum your .iso  2. md5sum your usb?
[14:29] <gt-my-test> the problem is i can't connect to itunes
[14:29] <Conner05> Cfhowlett no I didn't.
[14:29] <cfhowlett> gt-my-test, do a dpkg -l | grep emacs
[14:29] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: do you maybe know how to fix this? how to install Emacs 25... ?
[14:29] <pokmo> hi
[14:29] <Conner05> Guess I better boot into Windows and do that.
[14:30] <pokmo> if i have a cronjob * * 1 * * <command> will it run only on the first of each month at 00:00?
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | Conner05
[14:30] <hateball> pokmo: try this if you are unsure https://crontab.guru/
[14:31] <pokmo> hateball, thanks
[14:32] <gt-my-test> is the remmina able to remote desktop to sql server
[14:33] <cyphix> hateball: no change unfortunately...
[14:34] <jjjhjkgff> Hello
[14:35] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: here is the printout: http://pastebin.com/L8qxwgqZ
[14:35] <noncom|2> and I don't need emacs 24, I only need 25
[14:35] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, yep, certainly seems that 24 is the only one present ...
[14:35] <noncom|2> however, that apt-get upgrade for some reason wants to install 24
[14:36] <noncom|2> but how do I install emacs 25?
[14:36] <noncom|2> is this possible on Ubuntu?
[14:36] <cfhowlett> you can selectively skip that particular update ... pinnning?  someone else will know
[14:36] <noncom|2> I don't know how to do this...
[14:37] <ducasse> noncom|2: there is no ubuntu version with v25 yet, you will need to use a third-party repo or build it yourself.
[14:37] <noncom|2> yes, that is the case -- I downloaded the source from the official repo, did everything as in the official instruction
[14:38] <noncom|2> ducasse: and then, when I did "apt-get upgrade" for other reasons, it started this with emacs. now I can't work with emacs 25 without reinstalling it every several hours
[14:38] <noncom|2> what puzzles me the most -- is how does it get installed and usable, and then, after a few hours, it's gone from the system
[14:39]  * cfhowlett is also curious
[14:39] <noncom|2> does anyone know how to fix this?
[14:39] <Speiros> Not me:)
[14:42] <Conner05> Cfhowlett how do I check the md5sum of the installer? The ISO is fine
[14:42] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | Conner05 use the "cdrom" instructions
[14:42] <ducasse> noncom|2: did you install emacs 25 packages from a repo, or did you build it from source?
[14:43] <Conner05> The CD-ROM instructions are for Ubuntu. Not windows.
[14:43] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, found it ... "holding" in apt
[14:43] <noncom|2> ducasse: I downloaded the source and then did as it says here: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/09/install-gnu-emacs-25-1-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[14:43] <noncom|2> all official instructions
[14:43] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: what do you mean? ummm "holding" ?
[14:44] <cfhowlett> !pinning | noncom|2, see "intro to holding packages"
[14:44] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD Conner05
[14:45] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: thank you, looks interesting, gonna read this
[14:45] <ducasse> noncom|2: nothing official about those instructions :)
[14:46] <noncom|2> ducasse: but... its.. ubuntuhandbook?
[14:46] <cfhowlett> :) not from Canonical.  not from ubuntu.  not official.
[14:46] <ducasse> noncom|2: just a random tutorial site with 'ubuntu' in the name.
[14:47] <cfhowlett> should be clearly stated but isn't.  confusion is natural
[14:47] <noncom|2> well, okay, could be..
[14:47] <Conner05> Cfhowlett I'm sorry but all of those instructions are for Linux. I don't see any instructions on verifying my burned USB on Windows.
[14:48] <Speiros> Conner05 You may need to speak to a Windows advisor for that mate:)  The processes and commands are quite different, as I'm sure you're aware.
[14:48] <Conner05> Yea, I'll keep googling.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> Conner05,  you're correct.  sorry.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> Conner05, restate the failure ?
[14:54] <Conner05> cfhowlett three days ago I got a new SSD and installed Ubuntu on it. I did have some issues with the USB i burned (I could only install when using legacy boot options, not UEFI), but after I got it installed everything was great...until I decided to install drivers for my nvidia card. I followed some tut from the internet. Seemed pretty innocent. T
[14:54] <Conner05> hen, everytime after a suspend my system would lock up and the display would be black. I turned it off and back on and then I couldn't see anything. I messed around with some stuff in "safemode" as root but that didn't help so today I decided to just do a clean install. I did and then after a restart I started getting an error at the splash screen
[14:54] <Conner05> that said "CPU#1 stuck for 22s!" ... so I try another clean install and I still get stuck at the splash screen ( probably same CPU stuck error)
[14:56] <cfhowlett> Conner05, well your .iso was clean, I wonder if this might not need no further reinstallations.
[14:56] <cfhowlett> stuck cpu sounds ... highly questionable ... as in I have NEVER seen that on my systems
[14:56] <Speiros> *had a problem similar, and had to swap my hard drives around to fix the problem.  I don't know why though.
[14:56] <Conner05> I have an SSD and a HDD so not possible
[14:57] <Conner05> my system is a dell 7559
[14:57] <Conner05> intel kaby lake i5
[14:57] <Speiros> NVIDIA drivers...interesting.
[14:57] <Conner05> yea I have a gtx 960m
[14:57] <hateball> Conner05: boot using nomodeset
[14:57] <hateball> !nomodeset
[14:58] <hateball> and then install nvidia blob
[14:58] <Conner05> but that isn't my problem right now
[14:58] <Conner05> right now I cannot get past the splash screen
[14:59] <ducasse> the only time i have seen that 'cpu stuck' message it was actually a hw failure
[15:00] <ducasse> but kaby lake - support might not be all there yet.
[15:00] <ikonia> ducasse: seen it on overheating too (although yes, that can be a hardware failure too)
[15:00] <ikonia> funny enough, more so when apm isn't supported properly
[15:00] <hateball> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2307688 - solution -> nomodeset
[15:00] <hateball> and so on
[15:02] <IhrFussel> Is it normal that my server says total RAM 3919 MB, used 209 MB, free 90 MB, buffer 3619 MB ?? Why is free so low?
[15:03] <FinalX> IhrFussel: the OS caches a lot of often used data in RAM as to increase performance
[15:03] <whitekidney> IhrFussel: https://linux-mm.org/Low_On_Memory
[15:03] <FinalX> IhrFussel: when needed, the buffers/cache is freed and given to the application that requires it
[15:04] <Speiros> IhrFussel Looking at it, the buffer has ample space too.
[15:04] <Conner05> yea I am still getting the CPU stuck error
[15:04] <IhrFussel> But my old VPS didn't keep that much as buffer o.o
[15:04] <ducasse> IhrFussel: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:06] <IhrFussel> Was it a bad idea to enable Swap on a dedi?
[15:06] <Speiros> thanks for that link there ducasse.
[15:06] <Speiros> Helpful
[15:07] <treehug88> IhrFussel generally speaking, no
[15:07] <ikonia> IhrFussel: on a what ?
[15:07] <IhrFussel> Dedicated server
[15:07] <cfhowlett> !linuxatemyram | IhrFussel
[15:09] <IhrFussel> Okay I understand the RAM part now...another question is about the load: If my CPU has 4 cores and the load says 1,0 it means only 1 core is fully used correct?
[15:09] <Conner05> should I change my SATA config from AHCI to ATA?
[15:09] <ikonia> IhrFussel: no
[15:10] <treehug88> IhrFussel http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages
[15:14] <IhrFussel> "On multi-processor system, the load is relative to the number of processor cores available. The "100% utilization" mark is 1.00 on a single-core system, 2.00, on a dual-core, 4.00 on a quad-core, etc."
[15:14] <Speiros> Ok, I guess I'd better sleep.  :)
[15:14] <IhrFussel> Mine is a quadcore so it should mean 4,00 is 100% load
[15:14] <popey> IhrFussel: yes, that's a simplistic view of things
[15:15] <popey> IhrFussel: it doesn't really match cpu utilisation, the number can go way above the number of cores. Think of it more of a number of items in a queue waiting for the cpu cores.
[15:16] <IhrFussel> popey, so when should I start to investigate the CPU load? 1,00? 2,00?
[15:16] <ikonia> popey: cleanest description I've ever heard
[15:16] <popey> IhrFussel: it depends.
[15:16] <ikonia> IhrFussel: do you actually have a cpu load problem ?
[15:16] <Conner05> So now I cannot even boot into windows. Both my Hard Drive and Second Hard Drive selections from legacy boot take me to my broken Ubuntu install
[15:16] <popey> IhrFussel: if the number is very high (like tens, twenties, hundreds) it could be a problem
[15:17] <popey> but it depends what the box is doing, maybe there are lots of little busy processes all wanting a bit of time.
[15:17] <popey> having a high load average just means things are having to wait for some cpu time.
[15:17] <IhrFussel> Well I'm running a game server on it..the load is 0,50 right now
[15:17] <popey> then you have no problem
[15:17] <popey> it's under utilised
[15:18] <Mr1NK> need help please, i just change the theme on my ubuntu with bash : gsetting set org.gnome......  and now i want to set into default theme,
[15:18] <Mr1NK> what the bash i need to write on terminal
[15:19] <Mr1NK> i should , i mean
[15:20] <ikonia> Mr1NK: why not just use the gui
[15:20] <TheDamnedOne> its on the tip of my brain
[15:20] <TheDamnedOne> gimme a minute Mr1NK
[15:20] <ikonia> Mr1NK: (I don't know the getting option off the top of my head) but it's clear your running a gui, so why not just use it
[15:21] <Mr1NK> ikonia : ubuntu-tweaks its not work on my ubuntu
[15:21] <ikonia> Mr1NK: what happens ?
[15:21] <ikonia> as I suggest there is a bigger problem when you're aware of if it can't set the theme
[15:22] <Firefly67> does anyone know what a live USB contains? I tried to do that, but my USB only contains efi -> boot -> {bootx64.efi, grubx64.efi}
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> idk.. I may be mistaken.. but will it be possible to set it using update-alternatives?
[15:22] <Firefly67> *live Ubuntu USB
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: It contains live OS.. its bootable..
[15:22] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: to set a theme ?
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: to set a default theme..
[15:23] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: or is that only for commands?
[15:23] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: that seems unlikley
[15:23] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: that command basically sets symlinks
[15:23] <Firefly67> yes, but what kind of files does it contain? I am not sure if I have prepared it correctly. I followed these instructions: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-create-ubuntu-1510-usb-drive.html
[15:23] <Mr1NK> ikonia : idk, its happend when i just change the default repository into local repository
[15:23] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: wait.. i'll send yu a  snap of mine
[15:23] <ikonia> Mr1NK: whats actually happening when you use it
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: I think you messed up somewhere..
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: do you have the iso?
[15:25] <ikonia> Firefly67: what are you actually trying to do
[15:25] <Mr1NK> ikonia : its wont to open
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: if so, I'd recommend using rufus.. its straight foeward
[15:25] <ikonia> Mr1NK: how are you launching it
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> forward
[15:26] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne : so , thats itsn't solved ?
[15:26] <Firefly67> yes, I downloaded the iso
[15:26] <ikonia> Firefly67: are you trying to create a bootable usb
[15:27] <Mr1NK> ikonia : launching what ?, ubuntu-tweaks ?
[15:27] <ikonia> Mr1NK: yes
[15:27] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: ok so download rufus..
[15:27] <Firefly67> ikonia, yes
[15:27] <ikonia> Firefly67: why are you not using the official docs/howto
[15:28] <ikonia> !install | Giant81
[15:28] <ikonia> oops
[15:28] <ikonia> !install | Firefly67
[15:28] <Firefly67> I am trying to do dual boot, following this tutorial: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-create-ubuntu-1510-usb-drive.html
[15:28] <Mr1NK> ikonia : with double click
[15:28] <ikonia> Firefly67: then stop following that
[15:28] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne : bro ?
[15:28] <ikonia> use the official document I've just given you
[15:29] <k_sze> I need help installing Ubuntu 16.10 alongside an existing Windows 10 installation.
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Mr1NK: ?
[15:29] <ikonia> !dualboot | Firefly67
[15:29] <ikonia> Mr1NK: try launching it from the terminal, that will give you more info
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: go here https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[15:29] <ikonia> k_sze: also see the link ubottu just pasted
[15:29] <IhrFussel> So weird...htop says load is almost 1,00 but the CPU bars never go above 20%
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: get this tool.. its quite straight forward when making bootable usbs
[15:29] <ikonia> IhrFussel: thats not unusual
[15:29] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne  : i think you have same problem with me,
[15:29] <ikonia> IhrFussel: why are you obsessing about this,
[15:30] <Mr1NK> ikonia : ok, hold on
[15:30] <k_sze> ikonia: the thing is, I have a m.2 SSD and I *don't* want a swap partition.
[15:31] <ikonia> k_sze: then don't create one ?
[15:31] <IhrFussel> ikonia, well the VPS I had before hang a lot at ~ 1,00 load...but it was a dualcore
[15:31] <k_sze> But then I'm not sure how I should use the manual partion step.
[15:31] <IhrFussel> hung*
[15:32] <popey> IhrFussel: 1.0 load is fine
[15:32] <courrier> Hey guys, my 14.04's avconv has no support of codec x264, although I installed all the packages I could, and it is listed in the codec list... any idea? http://paste.debian.net/906175/
[15:32] <k_sze> What should I choose for the "Device for boot loader installation"?
[15:32] <JP___> Who needs help? noob here with time to kill
[15:32] <bingbong> Hi. So after booting I have to establish some connection to the internet in the first few minutes, otherwise I cant establish connections to the internet.
[15:32] <k_sze> Same partition as the Windows Boot Manager?
[15:32] <bingbong> I found out that I get an IP assigned from the dhcp, but I cant resolv a host, so it's a DNS problem
[15:32] <bingbong> What can be responsible for this?
[15:32] <ikonia> k_sze: whatever disk you are booting from
[15:32] <TheDamnedOne> k_sze: Mr1NK has some issues with setting the default gnome theme.. or somethin
[15:32] <ikonia> bingbong: the dns server you are using
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> oops
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: Mr1NK has some issues with setting the default gnome theme.. or somethin
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: done downloading rufus?
[15:33] <IhrFussel> popey, yes I see that but 1,00 load is worse on a dualcore machine than on a quadcore correct?
[15:33] <ikonia> IhrFussel: no
[15:33] <popey> IhrFussel: a load of 1 is not bad on any machine
[15:33] <ikonia> IhrFussel: is there a reason you are obsessing with the uptime stats ?
[15:33] <ikonia> do you have a reason to think you have a problem
[15:33] <bingbong> ikonia, it's my DSL router (fritzbox)
[15:33] <JP___> Have never used gnome, unity ftw
[15:33] <bingbong> and for all other devices its reliable
[15:33] <ikonia> bingbong: what host are you trying to resolve
[15:34] <k_sze> ikonia: it's a bit confusing because the installer allows me to select the whole SSD block device or just one of the partitions.
[15:34] <ikonia> k_sze: right, so what is your boot device
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> eww.. Unity is bad!
[15:34] <popey> TheDamnedOne: not helpful.
[15:34] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: no, it's not
[15:34] <JP___> It is? :(
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> oh ok
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> sowwy
[15:34] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: I've warned you before about only giving solid help
[15:34] <IhrFussel> I am running a game server and i moved to a dedicated server now because my VPS hung a lot...and the load was mostly at 1,00 so I'm surprised that this machine now does NOT hang at 1,00
[15:34] <bingbong> ikonia, doesnt matter, cant resolv a single one
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> okzz.. didnt know about the rules here
[15:34] <JP___> I am too lazy to learn anything new
[15:34] <ikonia> bingbong: what hosts are you trying to resolve
[15:34] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | TheDamnedOne
[15:35] <bingbong> doing dig google.com @<my router ip> works
[15:35] <JP___> Except for embedded linux, now that's fun
[15:35] <popey> IhrFussel: it could have been something else. could have been busy doing IO or something else...
[15:35] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you have zero concern with 1 load
[15:35] <popey> IhrFussel: i wouldn't jumpt to the conclusion that it's bad because load = 1.
[15:35] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: cool.. is it possible to run embedded linux as a VM? I am new to embedded..
[15:35] <ikonia> bingbong: ok, so you know the router is working, how do you know yoru ubuntu box is using the router
[15:36] <JP___> Yeah it is
[15:36] <JP___> But why would you want to?
[15:36] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: I wanna see what embedded linux is..
[15:36] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: my router uses it.. and I wanna see how it works..
[15:36] <stevenm> Hey, i've connected a usb sound device and in 'Sound Preferences' it says it is 'Disabled' how do I go about enabling it?
[15:36] <IhrFussel> Okay so you are saying 1,00 load should never make a system hang? Then it was something else...maybe because I shared the server with others
[15:36] <JP___> Oh it's just linux on some other architecture
[15:37] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: the same as the main distro
[15:37] <JP___> Only fun if you are into electronics
[15:37] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: this really isn't a topic for #ubuntu
[15:37] <ikonia> JP___: ^
[15:37] <JP___> Embedded ubuntu? :p
[15:37] <TheDamnedOne> ok
[15:37] <JP___> Whatever happened to ubuntu phone?
[15:37] <TheDamnedOne> its dead already?
[15:37] <cfhowlett> !touch | JP___,
[15:37] <courrier> No clue about avconv + x264? :)
[15:37] <k_sze> ikonia: looks like this is my answer: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330139
[15:38] <cfhowlett> courrier, restate the question
[15:38] <JP___> Thanks cfhowlett
[15:38] <bingbong> ikonia, I dont.. How do I check this?
[15:38] <courrier> cfhowlett: my 14.04's avconv has no support of codec x264, although I installed all the packages I could, and it is listed in the codec list... any idea? http://paste.debian.net/906175/
[15:38] <bingbong> "ip route show"?
[15:38] <popey> IhrFussel: if it's a vps then you absolutely did share it with others
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: no
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: that shows routes
[15:38] <bingbong> tracert?
[15:38] <ikonia> k_sze: I don't think so
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: no, that traces routes
[15:38] <bingbong> :D
[15:38] <stevenm> JP___, i tried it on my nexus 4 and 10 the other day - it's stupidly bad, you're not missing anything
[15:38] <bingbong> okay, enlighten me
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: are you using network manager to configure your host
[15:38] <bingbong> no
[15:39] <bingbong> I.. dont configured anything
[15:39] <JP___> stevenm: you could probably just build normal ubuntu for your phone
[15:39] <k_sze> ikonia: why not?
[15:39] <cfhowlett> courrier, sorry, no idea.  ask the avconv team?  better yet, upgrade to 16.04 and you can go with ffmpeg with avconv folded back in
[15:39] <ikonia> bingbong: right, so it's network manager configuring your network
[15:39] <popey> JP___: can we stick to support questions please
[15:39] <bingbong> It's just connected to an AP via ethernet
[15:39] <JP___> Or maybe a lighter flavor
[15:39] <ikonia> bingbong: this is a desktop install right ?
[15:39] <bingbong> the AP is connected to my router
[15:39] <bingbong> ikonia, lubuntu + i3 without gnome
[15:39] <stevenm> JP___, i'd love to have normal Ubuntu MATE 16.04 for my nexus 10
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: what is in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:40] <bingbong> 127.0.1.1
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: ok, great so it's using dnsmasq
[15:40] <bingbong> and an entry that this is changed automatically
[15:40] <TheDamnedOne> I think that entry has to be for the router IP
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: nmcli device show (your network card name)
[15:40] <tzmfen> hey guys.. which server should i install..16.04 or 16.10. or is there much difference?
[15:41] <courrier> Other dependencies oblige me to keep 14.04 cfhowlett, but there's no #avconv channel... maybe installing ffmpeg then
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: depends on your needs
[15:41] <TheDamnedOne> My resolv.conf contains IP address of my router(the default gateway)
[15:41] <TheDamnedOne> My resolv.conf contains IP address of my router(the default gateway)
[15:41] <cfhowlett> courrier, installing ffmpeg in 14.04 might not be possible ...
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: it shouldn't
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: sorry, not you
[15:41] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: it shouldn't
[15:41] <tzmfen> ikonia: ah ok
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: that was for you
[15:41] <tzmfen> but for 16.04 and 16.10 there is no real difference?
[15:41] <JP___> stevem: i dunno if it would work, but maybe try the yocto project
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: depends on your needs
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: yes, there are
[15:41] <tzmfen> aah ok
[15:42] <ikonia> tzmfen: they are a later release, with different support life cycles
[15:42] <ikonia> hence depends on your needs
[15:42] <tzmfen> well i am just running web servers/websites and some irc stuff
[15:42] <ikonia> tzmfen: 16.04
[15:42] <tzmfen> dovecot/sendmail etc
[15:42] <tzmfen> cause its LTS ?
[15:42] <ikonia> yes
[15:42] <popey> for a public server I'd use LTS
[15:42] <popey> longer support
[15:42] <ikonia> only real option
[15:42] <courrier> cfhowlett: there's a PPA ppa:mc3man/trusty-media
[15:43] <cfhowlett> courrier, well, okay then
[15:43] <courrier> has all versions > 14.10 switched back to ffmpeg?
[15:43] <tzmfen> popey:  ok thanks
[15:43] <cfhowlett> courrier, might have been a later version; 15.10?
[15:43] <RSA4096> hello, I need to install this dependes libavutil52 | libavutil54, who can help me?
[15:44] <ikonia> RSA4096: what needs it
[15:44] <popey> RSA4096: pick one, the | means "or"
[15:44] <bingbong> ikonia, currently I have internet (I rebooted and established a connection fast)
[15:44] <JP___> cfhowlett: i am thinking of building a commercial kiosk system, and am thinking of using ubuntu... My question: is it stable enough to work without updates for say.... 10 years?
[15:44] <courrier> cfhowlett: ok, ffmpeg converts well my file, grrrr that clone...
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: I didn't ask you about your internet
[15:44] <bingbong> so does the output now helps you or should I do this when I have no connection
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: you need a connection
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: you need to know what dhcp server is setting is your dns server
[15:44] <ikonia> JP___: you understand how pointless that question is
[15:45] <cfhowlett> JP___, 10 years?  the longest LTS - which will need security upgrades at the very least, is only supported for 5. I think RHEL/Centos goes for 10 but you'd have to research that
[15:45] <ikonia> JP___: if it works out of the box - and you never update it, it won't change from it's "out of the box" working state
[15:45] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: my resolv.conf has 2 entries.. nameserver (ip address of my router) and search
[15:45] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: it shouldn't
[15:46] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: will look into what it should look like. thanks for picquing my interest in ti
[15:47] <bingbong> ikonia, so currently (working state) it is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733938/
[15:48] <bingbong> should I restart and then do this again when I have no "connection" to the internet?
[15:48] <RSA4096> ikonia, popey I need to install wickr messanger, and I can install this depency: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=226844
[15:48] <noncom|2> could somebody explain what this means? http://pastebin.com/qu2Jp0Wu
[15:48] <popey> RSA4096: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:48] <noncom|2> I am removing a package, why is it complaining that something is not installed?
[15:48] <noncom|2> *could not be installed
[15:49] <ikonia> bingbong: ok - so when it's not working compare against that
[15:49] <bingbong> okay, I will reboot then, give me a few minutes
[15:49] <JP___> Ikonia: that is also what i think, but just wanted to make sure
[15:49] <RSA4096> popey, 16.10
[15:49] <ikonia> noncom|2: you have a broken install, so before it removes what you want it's trying to finish the install of the broken package most likely
[15:49] <noncom|2> ikonia: uh.. what would be my actions to fix this?
[15:50] <ikonia> noncom|2: look at fixing the broken install
[15:50] <noncom|2> okay
[15:50] <ikonia> noncom|2: (confirm that is the problem first - I'm guessing)
[15:50] <ioria> RSA4096, 16.10 uses 55
[15:50] <ioria> !info libavutil55
[15:52] <RSA4096> ioria, do you have command for install they
[15:52] <RSA4096> ?
[15:53] <ioria> RSA4096,   libavutil52 or 54 are not available for  16.10
[15:54] <RSA4096> ioria, there are alternative?
[15:55] <Conner05> I tried doing a check on my installer USB and got a CPU stuck error... (2nd image) http://imgur.com/a/3l24v
[15:55] <ioria> RSA4096,   you can try to install 55 , if not working try to force another version (but not advisable)
[15:55] <ikonia> Conner05: you said this earlier
[15:55] <Conner05> ikonia no this is new
[15:56] <RSA4096> ioria, how Can I install 55?
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: in what way is it new
[15:56] <Conner05> I got the cpu stuck error after installation
[15:56] <Conner05> now I get it just running a check on the usb installer
[15:56] <ioria> RSA4096,   sudo apt install  libavutil55
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: yes, but it was suggested that cpu stuck = hardware problem or lack of device support
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: so cpu stuck = cpu stuck
[15:56] <cfhowlett> Conner05, this is sounding more and more like hardware failure
[15:56] <Conner05> makes sense
[15:57] <RSA4096> ioria, libavutil55 is already the newest version
[15:57] <ioria> RSA4096,   so....
[15:57] <Conner05> cfhowlett I will go over to #hardware and see if they have any suggestions for testing it
[15:57] <popey> RSA4096: you might need to speak to sickr to get a build for 16.10
[15:58] <RSA4096> ioria, so I have same error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libavutil52|libavutil54
[15:59] <RSA4096> popey, :(
[15:59] <k_sze> How do I quit the ubuntu installer with keyboard only?
[15:59] <k_sze> As in tell it to reboot
[15:59] <ikonia> k_sze: tab down to exit
[15:59] <ioria> RSA4096,   52 is for trusty and 54 for utopic
[16:00] <anonlub> Hey everyone
[16:00] <k_sze> There isn't an "exit" button.
[16:00] <RSA4096> ioria, ok thank you anyway
[16:00] <ikonia> k_sze: what are the button names
[16:00] <ikonia> there should be an exit/quit/whatever button
[16:00] <anonlub> Guys i just need an information
[16:00] <ioria> RSA4096,   you're welcome
[16:01] <k_sze> ikonia: only "Back" and "Continue"
[16:01] <ikonia> k_sze: just turn the power off then
[16:01] <ikonia> k_sze: or alt f to a terminal and reboot
[16:01] <selvodka> kernel panic need help
[16:01] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, were you trying to install ffmpeg?
[16:01] <ikonia> sanjeev: read error message
[16:02] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, I try install wirck messager
[16:02] <workerbeetwo> Hi. does anyone know when the upgrade option to 16.10 will pop up?
[16:02] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=226844
[16:03] <boom> Any tips i should i know for when i install ubuntu? The computer will mainly be just office work
[16:03] <cfhowlett> workerbeetwo, if you don't have it, you likely have your system settings on Long Term Support release only
[16:03] <ikonia> RSA4096: why are you using mint inforamtion
[16:03] <cfhowlett> boom, install libreoffice
[16:04] <selvodka> KERNEL PANIC NEED HELP
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, I foun only this
[16:04] <boom> How does that compare to openoffice cfhowlett
[16:04] <ikonia> sanjeev: READ ERROR MESSSAGE
[16:04] <cfhowlett> selvodka, drop the caps
[16:04] <workerbeetwo> cfhowlett: yes likely. was eager to install packer from the new release.
[16:04] <ikonia> RSA4096: where are you getting the actual messagger package from
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, about my terminal message
[16:04] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, that's for mint , might not work on ubuntu?
[16:04] <selvodka> cfhowlett, want to be noticed
[16:04] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's a totally different mint version based on the wrong ubuntu version
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, from this: https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-install-wickr-app-in-linux/
[16:05] <cfhowlett> boom, openoffice?  is that even still supported?  seriously, libreoffice is much more active and supported
[16:05] <ikonia> sanjeev: you're likley to get ingnored
[16:05] <cfhowlett> !patience } selvodka,
[16:05] <cfhowlett> !patience | selvodka,
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ikonia, unless he's running mint
[16:05] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, I do, but whit my terminal's error, I found only this post for help
[16:05] <cfhowlett> selvodka, also, you were asked and question and ignored it.  not a good way to help us help you.
[16:05] <oniichan> yoo
[16:05] <RSA4096> *with
[16:06] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, you do what?
[16:06] <ikonia> RSA4096: you need to talk to the package maintainer and ask them to fix the dependenices to something thats available in ubuntu
[16:06] <cfhowlett> workerbeetwo, do this: sudo apt update && sudo apt full upgrade
[16:06] <ikonia> RSA4096: or you need to find a repo that contains those packages
[16:06] <selvodka> cfhowlett, i didn't see it
[16:06] <workerbeetwo> cfhowlett: thank you.
[16:06] <selvodka> sry
[16:07] <RSA4096> ikonia, I try to find him, but I lose, can you help me pls?
[16:07] <oniichan> is anyone can't speak indonesian language
[16:07] <ikonia> RSA4096: how can I help you  ?
[16:07] <ikonia> !id | oniichan
[16:07] <cfhowlett> boom, you might also want the latest templates from https://github.com/dohliam/libreoffice-impress-templates
[16:07] <RSA4096> ikonia, install this app for ubuntu 16.10
[16:07] <boom> cfhowlett, So how does installing work, do I just download the one meant for windows, and it'll work fine?
[16:07] <ikonia> RSA4096: read what I said
[16:08] <oniichan> okeeee wakatta
[16:08] <cfhowlett> boom, install the libreoffice for linux version please.
[16:08] <ikonia> RSA4096: you either need to a.) talk to the package maintainer to get them to update the package to dependencies available in ubuntu b.) find a repo that contains those dependencies
[16:08] <ikonia> RSA4096: how can I help you with that ?
[16:10] <boom> cfhowlett, Alright, thanks, also what program is best to turn the usb into something bootable to install from?
[16:10] <cfhowlett> boom, ubuntu startup disk creator.  don't let the name fool you
[16:11] <boom> I'm on win10 right now, my parts for the ubuntu pc wont be here for a few more days
[16:12] <jmadero> hi all - I just installed a second language for the first time in 16.04 (done it a lot on previous versions) but for some reason my system is defaulting to the secondary language every time
[16:15] <zerous> Is it alright if I ask a question regarding gdb here ?
[16:16] <cfhowlett> gdb?
[16:16] <ikonia> c++ debugger
[16:16] <zerous> yeah
[16:16] <cfhowlett> zerous, ask
[16:16] <ikonia> if it's to do with the ubuntu package, sure, if it's to do with how to use gdb you may want to hit the gcc / gdb channels
[16:17] <circ-user-PStve> Hello
[16:17] <zerous> cfhowlett, I am getting an error message while trying to change the file being debugged. The error message says "can't access memory 0x740"
[16:18] <ikonia> zerous: so thats "how to use gdb"
[16:18] <cfhowlett> ?  :)  remember I asked "gdb"?  best to direct this to the channel at large or #gcc #gdb
[16:18] <ikonia> zerous: you can look at basic things like syslog to see if things like apparmor are blocking access via a security policy
[16:19] <zerous> What I am doing can summarized into the following "I happen to find the bug. I make the necessary changes, run make in gdb. delete breakpoints, Ctrl+C and then run program"
[16:19] <zerous> but I get the same error message
[16:20] <zerous> It goes away if I quit gdb and reopen it though
[16:21] <evoluti0n> Anyone here
[16:21] <zerous> ikonia, what should I look out for ?
[16:22] <Evia> hi
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <troy1> Uhh, ok.
[16:24] <Evia> Add to bugtracker please.
[16:24] <ikonia> no
[16:24] <ikonia> as it works fine on a 4600
[16:24] <Evia> no
[16:24] <Evia> From the flash and installed Ubuntu no run
[16:24] <ioria> RSA4096, if really desperate you can check this out :  https://metalkey.github.io/installing-wickr-on-ubuntu-1604.html
[16:24] <ikonia> Evia: it does
[16:25] <Evia> not work for me
[16:25] <Evia> your ubuntu?
[16:25] <Evia> integrated intel on Guard Pro H97
[16:26] <ikonia> don't know what guard pro is
[16:26] <ikonia> sorry
[16:26] <Evia> motherboard MSI
[16:27] <troy1> Evia: lspci -knn | grep -A2 VGA
[16:27] <Evia> i cant
[16:27] <Evia> Ubuntu no run I said
[16:27] <debouncer> hello all, after installing ubuntu to my laptop, my laptop's battery gets drained rather quickly compared to when I boot Windows. Although i installed all drivers of the laptop, it is still same. Is there anyone who encounters this issue?
[16:28] <Evia> Im on Windows now
[16:28] <ikonia> debouncer: there is often a difference in power consuption between windows and linux depending on how your power management is supported on linux
[16:28] <troy1> What does it say Evia?
[16:29] <ikonia> troy1: he can't boot ubuntu
[16:29] <Evia> I have GPU-Z
[16:29] <troy1> ikonia: i read that. That could mean 5 million things
[16:29] <ikonia> troy1: whatever it means, if he can't boot it, he's going to struggle to run lspci
[16:29] <nacc> Evia: do you mean you don't get to a desktop? or do you mean nothing happens (not even grub, e.g.)?
[16:30] <troy1> ikonia: i was asking him what output he gets on trying to boot ubuntu
[16:30] <Evia> no run from flashdrive (live) no run from harddrive (installed)
[16:30] <spacebaer> hi, I think my Ubuntu desktop/server has a rootkit (getting seg faults when ssh'ing into it) what logs should I look at to do a little detective work
[16:30] <debouncer> ikonia: so, cant I use ubuntu (and other linux distros) in my laptop?
[16:30] <ikonia> troy1: apologie, I thought you where asking to run lspci
[16:30] <ikonia> debouncer: you can, as you've said you're currently using it
[16:31] <Evia> I said I have GPU-Z on Windows
[16:31] <troy1> What output do youg et trying to run live?
[16:31] <debouncer> yes, but as a desktop
[16:31] <nacc> Evia: i have no idea what 'gpu-z' is.
[16:31] <Evia> Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
[16:31] <nacc> Evia: so the live USB doesn't boot?
[16:31] <Evia> NO
[16:31] <Evia> oh
[16:31] <troy1> Evia: we need the error from the live usb console
[16:31] <Evia> Intel 4600 +SmartTV
[16:32] <ikonia> +smart TV
[16:32] <ikonia> ???
[16:32] <Evia> SmartTV as display
[16:32] <troy1> I assume he's using a tv as display
[16:32] <ikonia> nacc: it's a windows tool that identifies CPU info
[16:32] <nacc> ikonia: ah, so irrelevant to linux...
[16:33] <ikonia> nacc: totally
[16:33] <debouncer> ikonia: yes but as a desktop computer, it wanna use it as it is
[16:33] <ikonia> debouncer: what's stopping you ?
[16:33] <Evia> Any solutions?
[16:34] <troy1> Evia: we can't provide a solution if you don't tell us the error.. "It doesn't boot" does not help us.
[16:34] <Evia> I said about error
[16:34] <bingbong> ikonia, so it is working now. I guess this is some effect which happens randomly (it was not the first time today)
[16:34] <nacc> !who | Evia
[16:34] <ikonia> bingbong: wait for it to break (if it does again)
[16:34] <bingbong> when it happens again, I will run the command and see what differs
[16:34] <Evia> Ubuntu + Intel 4600 + Smart TV = No Run
[16:34] <ikonia> bingbong: changes are, it may have just expired the DNS servers from your config
[16:35] <debouncer> ikonia: the laptop's battery is now almost dead. However, while I was using windows 7, I can get 2 hour battery life
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: that is not sufficient information. What does 'No Run' mean? You don't even see the bootloader? What about if you use a regular monitor?
[16:35] <bingbong> ok
[16:35] <bingbong> ikonia, thanks for your help so far!
[16:35] <Evia> There no signal
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: imo, 'No Run' would imply your computer does not turn on.
[16:35] <troy1> Evia: How do you know it's that combination? We need the error output from the live boot
[16:35] <ikonia> bingbong: no problem
[16:35] <Evia> just black
[16:35] <ledeni> Evia, just run live usb and from terminal give us 'lspci -knn | grep -A2 VGA'
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: that does *not* mean it's not running.
[16:35] <troy1> ledeni: he claims he cannot live boot
[16:35] <Firefly67> I put ubuntu on a USB using rufus, but still can't boot into it. Windows keeps coming up. Any suggestions as to how to boot into the ubuntu live USB?
[16:36] <troy1> Evia: What version of ubuntu?
[16:36] <nacc> Firefly67: do you need to specify a boot order (or allow USB to be before hard drive) in your BIOS?
[16:36] <Evia> I think xorg crach
[16:36] <k1l> Evia: "smart tv" is no output signal. they are: vga, hdmi, displayport,..... are adapters involved?
[16:36] <Evia> Ubuntu of 2016 year
[16:37] <troy1> Evia: what output are you using? as k1l has said. HDMI, VGA?
[16:37] <troy1> Evia: 2016.04 or 2016.10?
[16:37] <Evia> HDMI -> DVI
[16:38] <Evia> 2016.04
[16:38] <Dreaman> cable
[16:38] <Evia> All work with the Nvidia
[16:38] <Dreaman> my laptop vga and hdmi
[16:38] <Dreaman> lg ulltrahd
[16:38] <Dreaman> tv
[16:38] <Dreaman> work
[16:38] <troy1> Evia: Have you tried displaying to anything else other then a TV? What do you mean all work with Nvidia?
[16:38] <Evia> Problem no in cable and in Ubuntu
[16:39] <Dreaman> 4k
[16:39] <Dreaman> :)
[16:39] <Firefly67> nacc, I disabled fast boot in Windows. Am I supposed to do something else too?
[16:39] <debouncer> well, what if i use another linux disto, can I get a better battery perfomance?
[16:39] <Evia> Just test it.
[16:39] <Evia> testing
[16:39] <ikonia> debouncer: unlikley
[16:40] <ikonia> debouncer: depends on why it's not getting good battery use
[16:40] <jmadero> debouncer: I get better battery life in Bodhi than I do in Ubuntu so it's possible
[16:40] <troy1> Evia: Are you using a laptop?
[16:40] <nacc> Firefly67: so you don't even see an option to boot to your USB?
[16:40] <Evia> DESKTOP
[16:40] <troy1> Evia: it has a dedicated GPU as well nvidia?
[16:41] <nacc> troy1: i think two different systems
[16:41] <nacc> troy1: a laptop that works and a desktop that doesn't
[16:41] <k1l> debouncer: most manufacturers only give out drivers for windows. most linux distros use the same drivers. so its not a real change in battery time. you could try to adjust some settings which reduce some services to save some batterytime.
[16:41] <Evia> I said problem in Ubuntu
[16:41] <Firefly67> no, I don't see any option. I see "press escape key for startup menu", but nothing happens when I press the escape key
[16:41] <troy1> Evia: sorry can't help you if all you say is problem in ubuntu.
[16:42] <Evia> xorg problem
[16:42] <k1l> debouncer: look at powertop and such hints like: http://askubuntu.com/questions/400/tips-to-extend-battery-life-for-laptops-and-notebooks
[16:42] <troy1> Evia: so it spits out a xorg problem trying to boot live udb?
[16:42] <troy1> Evia: usb*
[16:42] <Evia> I think xorg crash
[16:42] <k1l> Evia: does it work with another linux? does it work with another monitor or tv?
[16:42] <Evia> I now downloading Mint
[16:42] <nacc> Firefly67: i *think* that's your bios' menu, but i'm not sure
[16:42] <k1l> Evia: do you have any logs or errormessages? "i think" is not enough to help you
[16:43] <Evia> I cant read logs
[16:43] <Evia> need manual boot
[16:43] <k1l> debouncer: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/improve-battery-life-linux  those are basics tips that help on windows, too
[16:44] <Firefly67> ok, with F12 it seems to have booted, but now says /casper/vmlinuz.efi: file not found
[16:46] <debouncer> Can alinux offer a better battery perfomance than windows
[16:46] <debouncer> Can a linux distro offer a better battery perfomance than windows systems?
[16:47] <LinuxNovice> hello, when will the new Lubuntu with lxqt be available?	is it going to be still suitable for old computers? I mean, is it going to be as lightweight as the existing one?
[16:47] <jmadero> debouncer: usually no - google around for articles
[16:47] <k1l> LinuxNovice: maybe you get more detailed info on #lubuntu about that specific question
[16:48] <LinuxNovice> I posted the question there too. Nobody is online there, it seems.
[16:48] <ctjctj> Hello.  I'm attempting to mount a filesystem from an iscsi server.   My fstab has the _netdev option for the filesystem and it is using UUID.  The problem is that during the boot sequence iscsi-open start script hasn't run at the time the system attempts to mount the disk.  How do I get iscsi-open to run after network start and before the mounting of filesystems?
[16:48] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: this isn't the right place for that question
[16:49] <jmadero> if there's no one around in that chat it's a good sign that the community isn't super robust so the waiting might be longer
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: 17.04
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: thats the next release,
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: look in the repos to see if it contains the versions you want
[16:49] <LinuxNovice> ok. In what ways Ubuntu is different and better than Debian?
[16:49] <k1l> LinuxNovice: i know they plan to change to lxqt and it should be still lightweight. but as i said: for details you want to talk to the lubuntu team itself
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[16:50] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: try them, see what you like/don't like
[16:50] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: that question is ridiculously subjective
[16:50] <nacc> ctjctj: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:50] <ctjctj> nacc, thanks.  I will try there as well.
[16:50] <k1l> LinuxNovice: ubuntu is far more widespread so there is way more programs packaged for ubuntu.
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> yes. I am just a linux beginner.
[16:50] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: haven't we spoken many times about this sort of thing
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> ok. I can expect more packages in ubuntu.
[16:51] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: perhaps if you did more "using" and less trying to upgrade to the next big thing, you'd get better
[16:51] <Conner05> ikonia looks like it was a bad stick of RAM
[16:51] <k1l> LinuxNovice: and debian is not really a beginners distro.
[16:51] <ikonia> Conner05: superb
[16:51] <Conner05> I took it out and ubuntu booted fine
[16:51] <Conner05> Just gotta deal with Amazon now... already tossed the pkging
[16:51] <LinuxNovice> k11, debian not for beginners?
[16:52] <sweb> how can i get new name of eth on ubuntu 14.04 like `enp7s0` ?
[16:52] <LinuxNovice> can I get the latest versions of packages like Libre Office, pdf reader etc in Ubuntu or its derivatives?
[16:52] <k1l> LinuxNovice: the overall impression is that ubuntu is more directed at beginners than debian. speaking of default settings, community, documentation etc.
[16:52] <nacc> !latest | LinuxNovice
[16:52] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: you can get whatever is in the repos, you can surely manually install newer versions as soon as they come out
[16:52] <nacc> sweb: I don't think you can, although maybe switching to systemd (if it's supported) would do it
[16:52] <ioria> !info lubuntu-qt-desktop | LinuxNovice
[16:53] <LinuxNovice> Over here, in my place not many people use Linux. They rely heavily on MS Windows and MS Office.
[16:53] <k1l> LinuxNovice: yes you can. but you need to think about that ubuntu (like debian) is a stable release distribution.
[16:53] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: and you can install PPAs if they are maintained by someone (LibreOffice for instance has a very active and maintained PPA)
[16:53] <LinuxNovice> most of the documents generated by others will be from MS Office.
[16:53] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why are you obsessed with "latest versions"
[16:54] <jmadero> ikonia: seems like he thinks latest version = better interop
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we've spoke about this before - you've created / almost created problems with this attitude
[16:54] <jmadero> which can be true but not always
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we've spoke about this in detail
[16:54] <LinuxNovice> I want a distro that  offers the latest features and in some way compatibility with say MS Office.
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why
[16:54] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: most recent version can mean more bugs, just know that
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: in what way is ubuntu 16.04 not offering the latest features of compatability with office
[16:54] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, congratulations on picking a linux to try.  Regardless of which desktop version of Linux you are using you will get a great software system.  All distributions have sets of applications that you can choose to install to give you extra capabilities.  The benefit of a distribution is that somebody else is testing and making sure that the applications you installed work in that distribution.  If you need to do something
[16:54] <ctjctj> and you don't see the latest and greatest application version available to you.  Become a "User" and not a "Novice" and then attempt to use a PPA or equivlant.
[16:54] <LinuxNovice> I am using Lubuntu, now.
[16:54] <k1l> LinuxNovice: the compatibility to MS office is not made by some distro. its by the programs in use.
[16:55] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - in what way does lubuntu 16.04 not provided the latest features or MS office compatability
[16:55] <k1l> LinuxNovice: and MS office has no interest to be compatible to other office suits.
[16:55] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: and have you reported bugs against those packages when you find problems? if not, then you're not doing your part as a novice even
[16:55] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, I'm very sorry.
[16:55] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: don't be sorry
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I'm asking you a real question though
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: all the time you're looking for latest versions of packages....why ?
[16:56] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: you just need to understand that Linux doesn't guarantee your pet bugs will be fixed
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: more so when you've caused problems with this, why are you not "using lubuntu" rather than constantly looking for packages
[16:56] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: there are bugs in LibreOffice that have been around for 15 years
[16:57] <LinuxNovice> I think, I'm too new to notice or understand the bugs. However, I'll do my part to report them, whenever I encounter them.
[16:58] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what is the problem with say lubuntu 16.04
[16:58] <debouncer> ok thanks a lot, i hope these links work for me
[16:58] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what features or incompatability do you have
[16:58] <ikonia> (features that are missing)
[16:59] <jmadero> ikonia: well let's not pretend like there is perfect interoperability ;)
[16:59] <ledeni> jmadero, i don't think so libreoffice is last 2 years default before was openoffice
[16:59] <jmadero> so maybe he just wants to always be on latest "just in case" random things are fixed
[16:59] <LinuxNovice> I have some pdf files that I am trying to open in Ubuntu or its derivatives. Tried Debian stable also. But, they keep asking for password.
[16:59] <ikonia> jmadero: no is pretnding that
[16:59] <jmadero> ledeni: I work on the LibreOffice project, I know where it began ;)
[16:59] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: new version won't fix that, guaranteed
[16:59] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - so how will upgrading package versions fix that
[17:00] <LinuxNovice> But, somehow I can open them in a Debian testing based distro called Sparky Linux.
[17:00] <jmadero> he wants a new version to hack around a password encrypted pdf? comical
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - so how will upgrading package versions fix that
[17:00] <LinuxNovice> Don't know. Whether latest ones will fix that or not.
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: right
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: so don't do it
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you need to understand a problem first before trying to fix it
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ask people how to fix a problem
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: not how to deploy the fix you think you need
[17:01] <LinuxNovice> no. It is not password protected. I can open them in Windows and on my android tablet, without password.
[17:01] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: eg: I'm trying to open a PDF with application X, it's asking for a password
[17:01] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: instead of "I want to find a 3rd party repo that gives me version Y+1 of application X"
[17:01] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: try using a different PDF viewer in Lubuntu 16.04
[17:01] <jmadero> that's easy enough tod o
[17:01] <LinuxNovice> actually, I have tried every available pdf reader on Linux.
[17:01] <jmadero> <1 minute of effort
[17:02] <LinuxNovice> I have this problem only with some pdfs. Not all.
[17:02] <LinuxNovice> and these same pdfs open without any password on Windows and on my android tablet.
[17:03] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: great, so you have a problem, work that problem through with people, rather than blindly try to upgrade things that will probably break things more
[17:03] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: really - you need to stop chasing version numbers, and just "use" lubuntu
[17:03] <ikonia> any problems, ask for help
[17:03] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, ok.
[17:03] <ikonia> stop chasing package versions though, this is where %90 of your problems have come from in the past
[17:03] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, so the thing we teach our techs is "getting a good problem description".  You have a problem "I can't open some PDFs because it asks for a password"  but the problem you reported was "How do I install the latest and greatest PDF reader".
[17:03] <LinuxNovice> actually, I have dumped Windows entirely for Linux.
[17:04] <LinuxNovice> let me provide the link to the pdfs.
[17:04] <ctjctj> The first question we ask you, LinuxNovice, is "Do you know the password for these PDFs?"  and "Are these PDFs actually password protected?"
[17:04] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: can you share this pdf to my email?
[17:04] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: please just one
[17:05] <jmadero> I don't want 50 ;)
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> http://220.227.161.86/35534bos25026ipages1.pdf
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> http://220.227.161.86/35523bos25026cp1.pdf
[17:05] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: no need for more
[17:05] <jmadero> okay so immediately it opens in Firefox for me
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> please, save that pdf on your system.
[17:05] <ikonia> opens just fine
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> then, try to open it with a pdf reader.
[17:06] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: yes it asks for a pswd
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> I can open them in Firefox.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> it is not encrypted.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> I can assure you.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> because, they open in my tablet.
[17:06] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, jmadero 16.10 clicked the download and opened it with Evince(sp) with no issues, no password request.
[17:07] <FinalX> it is encrypted
[17:07] <ctjctj> It opens fine in Firefox as well.
[17:07] <FinalX> just open the file in vim
[17:07] <jmadero> ctjctj: interesting, I'm on a derivative of 16.04 and it won't open
[17:07] <LinuxNovice> I did try Evince also.
[17:07] <ctjctj> jmadero, LinuxNovice might actually have found an issue.
[17:07] <FinalX> it's full of encrypt xml :p
[17:07] <FinalX> (or rather, decode)
[17:07] <LinuxNovice> then, why it doesn't ask for a password in Windows?
[17:08] <jmadero> but it's weird that it opens elsewhere
[17:08] <ctjctj> 21 pages of real stuff.
[17:08] <FinalX> I'm sure it's just basic Adobe PDF protection
[17:08] <k1l> LinuxNovice: opens in evince just fine for me on ubuntu 16.10
[17:08] <LinuxNovice> or in Android?
[17:08] <jmadero> let me try installing latest evince quickly
[17:08] <jmadero> one second
[17:09] <FinalX> It's protection, not encryption, it seems? Against editing, I guess. I also guess that it's better supported in updated clients.
[17:09] <squinty> LinuxNovice, fwiw, no password needed here using foxit pdf reader
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> I don't have Windows installed on my laptop. Entirely relying on Linux. That's the problem.
[17:09] <ctjctj> 16.04.1 requests a password.
[17:09] <jmadero> I'm updating evince now
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> ok. how can I install Foxit.
[17:09] <ikonia> it looks like it depends how the client is trying to open it
[17:09] <ikonia> if it tries to open it in read mode, it opens just fine
[17:09] <ikonia> if it tries to open it in edit mode it asks for a password
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> please download it and try opening it offline.
[17:10] <ikonia> I just did
[17:10] <k1l> 3.18 on 16.04 and 3.22 on 16.10
[17:10] <ctjctj> GNOME Document Viewer 3.22.0 works GNOME Document Viewer 3.18.2 fails
[17:10] <iLembus_> anyone know if i can install Ubuntu snappy core without connecting a screen?
[17:10] <iLembus_> i need to "follow the instructions on screen" while first boot
[17:10] <iLembus_> after that i can SSH into it
[17:10] <LinuxNovice> can anybody suggest a solution?
[17:10] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: patience
[17:10] <jmadero> if this works then it's an easy solution
[17:11] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[17:11] <nacc> iLembus_: may want to ask in #snappy
[17:11] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, please note how the responses to you have changed since you presented the actual problem you were having.
[17:12] <LinuxNovice> ok. I understand now.
[17:12] <LinuxNovice> I just thought it could be due to not having the latest versions of software.
[17:12] <k1l> LinuxNovice: you cant tell that without seeing the exact program in use and the exact issue with it.
[17:13] <jmadero> and LinuxNovice there is never a need to install the latest entire distro for one package
[17:13] <jmadero> that's begging for problems
[17:13] <LinuxNovice> why does it open in a Debian testing based distro? I could open it in Sparky Linux, using qpdfview.
[17:14] <jmadero> evince 3.22 fails for me in 16.04 derivative also
[17:14] <LinuxNovice> but, I tried with qpdfview in Lubuntu. It still asks for password.
[17:14] <icedwater> When I run gnome-terminal in an xterm, I get an error message saying org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8. It seems from syslog and forum posts that the locale is the issue. How do I fix it so that dbus passes the right locale (not ANSI_X3.4-1968) to allow gnome-terminal to launch?
[17:14] <LinuxNovice> and I update/upgrade everyday.
[17:15] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: just because you update every day doesn't mean anything, there are a ton of packages held back in each distro, unless you have PPAs installed that guaranteed latest and greatest
[17:15] <jmadero> Canonical has a strict policy against adding packages with regressions
[17:15] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, one of the things that you should be aware of is that sometimes there are multiple "frontends" that use the same "backend"  so you could have "evince" and "qpdfview" and a dozen other programs that all use (made up) libpdfsuperreader
[17:15] <ctjctj> If the library is where the issue is then all of the frontends that use that library will fail in similar ways.
[17:16] <k1l> LinuxNovice: trying blindly with reinstalls and other distros doesnt help. you dont just change the cars when one is not starting, right?
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, all this is greek to me.
[17:16] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, I understand.  Which is why I'm trying to explain it while others are attempting to help you.
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> k11, I understand.
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, ok.
[17:17] <jmadero> the weird thing is that 16.10 updated the libraries as far as I can see but still no good
[17:17] <LinuxNovice> as an end user, I just want an OS that I can install and get to my work.
[17:17] <ctjctj> A quick google search shows that LinuxNovice's issue is documented in a couple of different places.  I've not checked the change log for evince but it looks like evince is incorrectly detecting a PDF as encrypted when it is not.
[17:18] <ikonia> there is a flag I think for "read" and "edit" mode
[17:18] <ikonia> try forcing read mode
[17:18] <ikonia> I think it's trying to open it in edit mode by default
[17:18] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, here is a work around for you, first check to see if you have the program pdf2ps installed.
[17:20] <feneco> hi
[17:21] <feneco> so I use ubuntu gnome 16.04 and just got hacked, can anyone help identify what could be the breach?
[17:22] <ikonia> feneco: what has been "hacked"
[17:23] <feneco> ikonia: tried to enter google.com, said certificate was invalid, and issued by another domain, rebooted/reconnected, tried to access again, got a defaced page
[17:23] <feneco> saying that i was hacked lol
[17:23] <ikonia> feneco: how do you know you where hacked
[17:25] <feneco> what do you mean?
[17:25] <ikonia> feneco: how do you know you where hacked
[17:26] <feneco> I don't understand your question, I just said the reason above
[17:26] <ikonia> feneco: so is that one site or all sites
[17:27] <feneco> it's google.com
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: so is that one site or all sites
[17:27] <feneco> only google.com
[17:27] <ikonia> ok
[17:27] <feneco> it's normal in my laptop
[17:27] <ioria> LinuxNovice qpdf --decrypt 35523bos25026cp1.pdf output.pdf
[17:27] <feneco> only desktop was compromised
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: so if you run this command what do you get
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: "nslookup www.google.com"
[17:27] <feneco> wait
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: (use a pastebin please)
[17:29] <feneco> seems ok now ikonia
[17:29] <feneco> http://termbin.com/m2zl
[17:30] <ikonia> feneco: ok - so there is your problem
[17:30] <ikonia> feneco: the dns server you are using is giving out bad addresses
[17:31] <ikonia> feneco: one of those IP's is a braizilian home IP
[17:31] <ikonia> 191.251.192.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br
[17:31] <ikonia> (they all are)
[17:31] <ikonia> feneco: so what dns server are you using ?
[17:31] <selvodka> need help kernel panic
[17:31] <ctjctj> Fenco, pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[17:32] <ikonia> selvodka: you've been told 3 times that is not the way to ask a question
[17:32] <selvodka> ikonia, sorry
[17:32] <ikonia> ctjctj: resolv.conf won't help
[17:32] <ctjctj> ikonia, why?
[17:32] <feneco> ikonia: from network manager it says 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[17:32] <ikonia> he's using dnsmasq
[17:33] <ikonia> feneco: so...lets see
[17:33] <ctjctj> ikonia, thanks.  I need to verify that because I believe that dnsmasq gets its DNS configuration from /etc/resolv.conf.  But that's me babbling until I verify.
[17:33] <feneco> http://termbin.com/41bve
[17:34] <ikonia> ctjctj: not it doesn't
[17:34] <feneco> resolv.conf seem ok
[17:34] <ikonia> ctjctj: you can see it's 127.0.0.1
[17:34] <ikonia> feneco: run "nmcli device show (network device interface name)
[17:35] <selvodka> i asked cuz i just joined it
[17:35] <ikonia> selvodka: and you've been told when you asked earlier you don't ask a question like that
[17:35] <ctjctj> ikonia, thanks.  I see what is happening.  DNS queries are being sent to 127.0.0.1 (localhost) where dnsmasc is resolving it for him.  Thanks.
[17:35] <selvodka> ikonia, How ?
[17:35] <feneco> ikonia: http://termbin.com/ugsi
[17:35] <ikonia> selvodka: you need to explain details
[17:35] <ikonia> ctjctj: you got it
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: ok, so that looks good
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: I assume it's working just fine now ?
[17:36] <feneco> now google opens fine
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: I don't believe you've been "hacked"
[17:36] <feneco> what do you believe that happened?
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: for some reason the dns service you where using was giving false info,
[17:37] <selvodka> i tried to boot on both kernels and on recovery mode too i had a kernel panic
[17:37] <ikonia> either you where set to use a different dns service and network manager has just set it back to google (maybe you where hacked?)
[17:37] <ikonia> selvodka: kernel panic doesn't help anyone
[17:37] <ctjctj> feneco, it could be that a DHCP type server gave you a bad DNS server.
[17:37] <ikonia> selvodka: thats like may saying "fix it"
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/CYbBgax.jpg
[17:37] <ikonia> feneco: or as ctjctj you got your ISP's dns server and they forwarded incorrectly
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/sjI8H4B.jpg
[17:37] <ikonia> feneco: or maybe a cache was compromised on a DNS server elsewhere and it just got flushed when someone noticed
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/sjI8H4B.jpg
[17:38] <ikonia> selvodka: your missing files on your system
[17:39] <ctjctj> feneco, it is often the case that people that install household routers don't bother to change the passwords.  Those routers are much easier to hack than a Linux box.  So they reconfigure the router to give a "bad" DNS server.  That DNS server is configured to redirect things like banks and searches to a phishing site.
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: what version of ubuntu is this
[17:39] <feneco> if I'm using google's public dns and not my isp dns, how could that happen?
[17:39] <selvodka> ikonia, xubunu 16.04
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: did it ever work
[17:39] <selvodka> yes
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: what happened to make it not work
[17:39] <selvodka> that i don't know
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: so you are missing file
[17:39] <feneco> yea, i Just got an used router from my ISP
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: that is your problem
[17:40] <feneco> that was from another client, and it has the default pass
[17:40] <selvodka> they keyboard most of the keys don't work
[17:40] <feneco> but it was always like that
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you should just re-install
[17:40] <selvodka> could fsck on live usb fix it ?
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you can see above it does a disk check and marks it as clean
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you then see it complains for missing files
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: fsck will not bring files back
[17:41] <selvodka> do a clean install ikonia
[17:41] <feneco> ctjctj: for that, one would need the wifi pass to access the router
[17:41] <ikonia> selvodka: yup
[17:41] <tdannecy_> selvodka: By chance, do you have a RAID?
[17:41] <selvodka> idk it's a laptop
[17:41] <selvodka> getway
[17:41] <ctjctj> feneco, not if they are coming from the other side.  Some routers refuse connections from the public side, others do not.   It's a security issue that has been known for a long time.
[17:42] <ikonia> it's not a raid problem
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: if in ANY doubt, re-install ubuntu
[17:42] <ctjctj> feneco, The point I was attempting to make is that the DNS change could have been accomplished in many different ways.
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: but based on what you've just shown me, I don't think the problem was yours
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: (keep in mind - from what you shown me, nothing more)
[17:42] <tdannecy_> selvodka: I'm going to say it's an IO issue. Your HDD might be failing. That's just my 2 cents.
[17:42] <ioria> selvodka, maybe a bad iso or bad media
[17:43] <ikonia> he's not live booting
[17:43] <ikonia> thats his install
[17:45] <selvodka> someone said on reddit to  fix selinux
[17:45] <feneco> ikonia: do you know why I get different output from nslookup google.com from my desktop and laptop?
[17:45] <ikonia> feneco: do you still get it from nslookup ?
[17:45] <feneco> my laptop shows different output for this command
[17:45] <ikonia> selvodka: they said wrong
[17:45] <selvodka> ok , sry
[17:46] <feneco> let me try again from desktop
[17:46] <feneco> yes, I get different IP's from my desktop
[17:47] <selvodka> ikonia, thx
[17:47] <selvodka> for your time sorry for my attitude
[17:47] <ikonia> feneco: you get the 191 addresses from the laptop ?
[17:47] <ioria> oh, i see .... selvodka  have you installed something out of the offcial repos  ?
[17:47] <ikonia> (if you run it now)
[17:47] <selvodka> recently i install intel update tool
[17:48] <ioria> here we are
[17:48] <feneco> ikonia: http://termbin.com/5hdh
[17:48] <Firefly67> I am installing ubuntu, I want a dual boot, but ubuntu isn't detecting Windows and offering the "boot alongside Windows" option. What should I do?
[17:48] <ikonia> feneco: you may still have cache
[17:48] <ikonia> lets find out
[17:48] <feneco> http://termbin.com/jksx
[17:48] <ikonia> feneco: (or you may have been compromised)
[17:49] <ioria> selvodka  not sure you need it on ubuntu
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: are you in brazil
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: (obvious question I know but I have to ask)
[17:49] <feneco> before that it showed even a different IP: 91.148.168.111
[17:49] <feneco> yes, I am
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: ok,
[17:50] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: It looks like you installed the bootloader to an incorrect location. You could reinstall or live boot and reinstall GRUB. Make sure to install it to the boot disk (usually / )
[17:50] <selvodka> does the usb keyboard work on the bios
[17:50] <ioria> selvodka, usually yes
[17:51] <feneco> I'm trying to check system logs, auth logs, but I can't find something clear
[17:51] <selvodka> ok. cuz of most of the keys don't work so i use a usb keyboard
[17:51] <ikonia> feneco: reboot the laptop
[17:51] <ikonia> feneco: so network manager is restarted clenaly
[17:51] <ikonia> cleanly
[17:52] <ikonia> then re-verify
[17:52] <MOUD> Hey all
[17:52] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I have not installed ubuntu yet. I am not sure what a bootloader is, or if I installed it incorrectly
[17:52] <feneco> the problem is in the desktop, you mean i should reboot the desktop right?
[17:52] <Firefly67> I am trying to install ubuntu from a live USB
[17:52] <ikonia> feneco: sorry, yes
[17:52] <ikonia> feneco: got it back to front
[17:52] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Ah! I read that wrong. Sorry about that.
[17:53] <feneco> rebooting
[17:53] <MOUD> how can I make ubuntu to check for new hardware? I just plugged a wifi usb dongle. I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[17:53] <ikonia> MOUD: it does it real time
[17:54] <MOUD> ikonia, I see. So how can I see all my available network adapters?
[17:54] <ikonia> MOUD: if it's supported
[17:54] <tdannecy_> MOUD: You can also check what's plugged into your computer by using the Terminal command "lsusb". It'll give you a list of what's plugged in.
[17:56] <feneco> ikonia: when it happened first, when I tried to access google at first, said the certificate was from vivawebhost.com (I saved the picture)
[17:56] <feneco> http://termbin.com/o6sx
[17:56] <ikonia> feneco: yes because it was an exploit directing you to the wrong site
[17:56] <feneco> http://termbin.com/eobc
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: so the certificate won't match the site
[17:57] <feneco> different ips
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: so thats still looking at someone home connection
[17:57] <ikonia> ahh no it's not
[17:57] <ikonia> sorry
[17:57] <ikonia> thats google
[17:57] <ikonia> no wait
[17:57] <feneco> you see it's different
[17:57] <feneco> from google.com and google.com.br
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: thats fine though
[17:57] <ikonia> hang on
[17:58] <feneco> both are from the desktop
[17:58] <feneco> my laptop show different results
[17:58] <feneco> but I don't use google public dns on my laptop
[18:03] <LinuxNovice> hello, guys. I am really sorry. There was no network
[18:03] <LinuxNovice> anybody online here?
[18:05] <feneco> there must be, tell your question
[18:11] <MOUD> ikonia, tdannecy_, sorry for not replying, something came up. In the "lsusb" command I got this: Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5572 Wireless Adapter ; Does it mean it's working?
[18:15] <Firefly67> I am trying to install ubuntu 16.04 alongside Windows 10 from an Ubuntu live USB, but I am not getting an option which allows me to install Ubuntu alongside Windows - it says no other operating systems are detected. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[18:15] <tdannecy_> MOUD: That message means that it's detected by ubuntu and that it recognizes it. It doesn't mean it's "working" per say, just that it can see it. You might have to install some packages to get it working.
[18:15] <Dro> hello, how can i check what running on startup ?
[18:15] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Which version of Windows is on the HD?
[18:16] <tdannecy_> Dro: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[18:16] <selvodka> should i reinstall ubuntu or  erase disk and install ikonia ?]
[18:16] <Firefly67> Windows 10, I believe
[18:17] <Dro> tdannecy, 16.04
[18:17] <Firefly67> I say "I believe" because it is the installation that came with a new laptop, it has MS Word 2016
[18:17] <selvodka> ioria, ?
[18:17] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[18:17] <ioria> selvodka, erase disk and install
[18:17] <LinuxNovice> lost the connection.
[18:18] <Dro> I have a strange problem, openvpn is running automactly on startup, with an address that I never used and I don't know
[18:18] <Dro> this connection don't appear in the connections manager
[18:18] <selvodka> ioria, thx
[18:18] <MOUD> tdannecy_, I see. Thanks.
[18:18] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: It sounds like there's an issue reading the HD. You're able to boot into Windows 10, right?
[18:18] <Dro> I can stop it only with "killall openvpn"
[18:18] <ioria> np
[18:18] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Welcome! :)
[18:19] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, are you still online?
[18:19] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, yes. I am pressing F12 to boot into the live USB instead of Windows
[18:19] <Firefly67> otherwise it goes to Windows
[18:19] <tdannecy_> Dro: You should be able to see what's running at startup by running gnome-session-properties in the terminal.
[18:19] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Okay, open the app "gparted" and let's take a look.
[18:20] <Firefly67> gparted opens in Linux?
[18:20] <Firefly67> or Windows?
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Sorry! It runs in Linux on the live USB.
[18:21] <Firefly67> I am currently on the trial version of Ubuntu live USB
[18:21] <Firefly67> ok
[18:21] <Firefly67> so I just type gparted?
[18:21] <Firefly67> in a terminal?
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yep. It should come up in the app menu.
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: No need for terminal.
[18:22] <Firefly67> it says root privileges are required for running it
[18:22] <Firefly67> ok, from the app menu I could open it
[18:24] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I see/dev/sda3: 122 GB, unallocated: 94 GB
[18:24] <Firefly67> and several smaller ones
[18:25] <lugarius> woop
[18:25] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Can you send a screenshot?
[18:27] <feneco> ikonia: gonna have to reinstall the system :/
[18:27] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: A thought. Win10 us a UEFI system, did you boot the installer also in UEFI mode ?
[18:28] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I don't know. How do I know that? I pressed F12 to get to the live USB
[18:29] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, trying to get a screenshot, a bit hard from the trial version, so it's taking time
[18:29] <Firefly67> not connected to the internet on the trial version
[18:32] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: That I can not tell you . If ya booted up the USB as "legacy" Will then have isssues installing ( MBR versus EFI), maybe driving the install system nuts ?
[18:32] <ctjctj> Where do I find documentation for the configuration files in /etc/init?
[18:35] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Firefly67
[18:37] <Firefly67> just realized my new laptop doesn't have an ethernet port at all
[18:38] <cheshircat> Hey, did anyone else get their efi system partition messed up by the latest windows upgrade?
[18:38] <tbottom[m]> Lol
[18:39] <cheshircat> Also, my laptop is refusing to boot from a flashdrive
[18:40] <tbottom[m]> Yep, although I don't use Windows, I've heard many of my friends have messed up their windows partition during an update happening on the NYE
[18:40] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: What we often see is that Windows rewrites the boot code . Requiring us to re-install ubuntu boot code .
[18:44] <Firefly67> how do I share an image?
[18:44] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[18:45] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Upload it to imgur and paste the link here.
[18:45] <Firefly67> ok
[18:45] <Dro> in my startup programs i found a program called "Torzm Duuif" with this path /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java -jar /home/ubuntu/.Qjytmqba/Nezqzwta.jar
[18:45] <Dro> is it a malware??
[18:45] <Dro> and how can i check if its running?
[18:46] <tdannecy_> Dro: I'll bet that's something nasty. Delete the entire .Qjblahblah directory
[18:46] <LinuxNovice> I have a problem, here. I have some pdf files, not encrypted, but still ask for password in Lubuntu. I have tried every pdf reader available.
[18:46] <tdannecy_> Dro: You can check if it's running to see if there are any Java apps in your System monitor.
[18:46] <tdannecy_> LinuxNovice: How do you know they're not encrypted?
[18:46] <uxfi> test
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I tried a debian testing based distro, Sparky linux. I could open them there by using qpdfview.
[18:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, there are two fixes for your PDF issue.  1) You can use a more current version of evince (don't) or 2) use a different tool to read and convert them.
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I installed qpdfview in Lubuntu, they still ask for password.
[18:47] <tdannecy_> LinuxNovice: You might have to open and "Print as PDF" or re-export them again.
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I have tried evince also.
[18:48] <ioria> LinuxNovice have you tried   qpdf --decrypt 35523bos25026cp1.pdf output.pdf   ?
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> linux malware, exciting, i wonder what it does
[18:48] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, open a command line terminal.  Use "cd" to go to the directory where the file is stored.  run pdf2ps file.pdf >file.ps.  Then to read your file use evince file.ps
[18:48] <ctjctj> ioria, tdannecy_ this is something LinuxNovice has gone over already.  He has rediscovered an issue with the version of evince shipped with 16.04LTS
[18:49] <ioria> ctjctj, oh, really ?
[18:49] <LinuxNovice> I checked in distrowatch.com for the version of qpdfview. It is 0.4.15.1 in Sparky Linux.
[18:49] <LinuxNovice> but, in Lubuntu, it is 0.4.14
[18:49] <ctjctj> ioria, tdannecy_ the PDFs are not encrypted but are detected by GNOME Document Viewer 3.18.2 as password corrected.  In GNOME Document Viewer 3.22.0 the files open correctly.
[18:49] <Dro> tdannecy, nothing about it in the system monitor
[18:50] <Dro> maybe its running hidden?
[18:50] <LinuxNovice> I just updated all the packages on Lubuntu which I am using.
[18:50] <ctjctj> ioria, so yes, really.
[18:50] <ioria> interesting
[18:50] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, http://imgur.com/a/vaZVV - I took a photo with my phone for gparted, trial Ubuntu live isn't connected to internet
[18:50] <tdannecy_> Dro: I doubt it would be "hidden", but let's check in the terminal. Open it and run "top"
[18:50] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, see the work around I gave you above.  What version of lubuntu are you running?
[18:50] <LinuxNovice> 16.04
[18:51] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Great! Thanks!
[18:51] <feneco> what's the command to open the software store?
[18:51] <LinuxNovice> can I update qpdfview to 0.4.15?
[18:51] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, there is a 16.10 which is not LTS.  Does lubuntu have "software settings" option?
[18:51] <LinuxNovice> I will be able to open the files, then.
[18:52] <Dro> tdannecy, nothing in top too, damn I googled it and it seems to be a RAT (Adwind) !
[18:52] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: The unallocated space is where you're going to install Ubuntu. Right click on the unallocated list in the menu and click "New". We're going to create an ext4 partition.
[18:53] <tdannecy_> Dro: Well I'd suggest deleting the directory at the least, but reinstall Ubuntu just to be safe.
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> Dro  and use locate to, well, locate it ... most probably in ~/.cache only
[18:54] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, do I type ext4 in the blue box?
[18:54] <Firefly67> I right clicked and a "create new partition" window came up
[18:54] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, open "Software & Updates" in the menu.  Select "updates" tab.  Select "for any new version" from the Notify me of new lubuntu versions drop-down box.
[18:54] <Firefly67> or do I just click on "add"?
[18:55] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Sorry, but you're going to have to give me another screenshot. :(
[18:55] <LinuxNovice> the latest version available for this version of lubuntu is 0.4.14-1. But, Sparky has 0.4.15-1. May be it is because of this.
[18:55] <ctjctj> Find the "software updater" and tell it to check for updates.  If this doesn't work I can only do the cli version of this as I'm not running lubuntu.
[18:55] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, according to the web there is a lubuntu 16.10.  Sorry if I'm wrong.
[18:56] <LinuxNovice> I am using the LTS version. that is 16.04
[18:56] <LinuxNovice> I just updated all the packages.
[18:56] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, one moment to give you some info.
[18:58] <LinuxNovice> ok. Last time I had asked this question, I had lost the connection. So, am not aware what transpired after that. Sorry for that.
[18:58] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, LTS means "Long Term Support".  This implies lots of things but for the people that need software to run forever it means that the release will be supported for a very long time.  But with that support comes some restrictions, those restrictions are that *packages* are not updated to the "latest and greatest" for stability reasons (or testing or a dozen other things)
[18:59] <ctjctj> You don't need LTS stability.  You have a particular problem that has been solved.  The 16.10, 17.04, 17.10 releases are not LTS.  They will not have that long term support but they do get changes.
[18:59] <LinuxNovice> As far as I can remember, I tried with Lubuntu 16.10 also.
[18:59] <ctjctj> When we move from one release to another things can break.
[19:00] <ctjctj> So for stability we don't want that to happen.  Since evince works *in most cases* in the 16.04 (3.18.2 version) there is no reason to move to a new release.
[19:00] <ctjctj> But in ubuntu 16.10 they did move to version 3.22 which solves your PDF issues as you rightly suspected.
[19:00] <LinuxNovice> I have evince installed now. I have tried with that too.
[19:00] <LinuxNovice> ok. Will try with 16.10 also.
[19:01] <ctjctj> So you need the more current version of evince.  The best way to get that 3.22 version of evince is to upgrade your lubuntu from 16.04 to 16.10.
[19:01] <cheshircat> Bashing-om: thanks for the speedy reply, I wasnt expecting to hear back so fast :) How exactly do you fix the boot code?
[19:01] <LinuxNovice> ok. Let me create a live usb of 16.10 and check if I can open those files.
[19:01] <xangua> ctjctj: pretty sure yakketty will never get gnome 3.22
[19:01] <ctjctj> So do that upgrade to Lubuntu 16.10 and let us know if that solved the issue for you.    run evince --version from the command line and you will see the version.
[19:01] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: Sorry, I have no UEFI experience, here I can not advise .
[19:02] <ctjctj> xangua, those are evince version numbers.
[19:02] <xangua> !info evince
[19:02] <ctjctj> xangua, I think you were making a joke? Maybe?
[19:02] <xangua> I see
[19:02] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[19:03] <cheshircat> Bashing-om: no worries, thanks anyways
[19:03] <LinuxNovice> Is 16.10 going to suit a beginner's needs?
[19:03] <xangua> So much problem for a PDF, can't you share it? Or is it confidential
[19:03] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: Hang loose here, others can advise who have the knowledge .
[19:03] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, 16.10 will do you just as well as 16.04 and maybe better.
[19:03] <nicomachus> LinuxNovice: for a beginner, an LTS release like 16.04 is probably best.
[19:04] <ctjctj> xangua, http://220.227.161.86/35534bos25026ipages1.pdf
[19:04] <LinuxNovice> I did share the last time I asked for solution. I lost connection in between.
[19:04] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, that's great. Will try 16.10
[19:04] <ctjctj> nicomachus, you are correct. But LinuxNovice has a particular issue that needs resolving which is most easily solved for him with 16.10
[19:05] <sarkis> hey all - would you suggest the latest version of ubuntu desktop for a development workspace?
[19:05] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try with Xubuntu 16.10 this time.
[19:05] <ctjctj> xangua, the really cool thing is that you can read the PDF in firefox with the JS library for PDFs but if you download it with wget and test it fails for 3.18.2 and works for 3.22
[19:05] <nicomachus> ctjctj: ah, I missed that.
[19:05] <sarkis> so in this case Ubuntu 16.10
[19:06] <LinuxNovice> I will install it alongside this Lubuntu 16.04
[19:06] <sarkis> i like to keep my servers on LTS - but desktop i'd imagine latest is ok?
[19:06] <LinuxNovice> will that be ok?
[19:06] <ctjctj> nicomachus, no problem.  LinuxNovice has been working this issue for a while and had the right idea but the wrong way of asking earlier.  He's made great progress.
[19:06] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, don't install it, just run it as a livecd (or usb).  Download the file and test.  IF it tests, upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10.
[19:07] <Firefly67> tdannecy_: http://imgur.com/a/IBKqd
[19:07] <LinuxNovice> I checked in some places like distrowatch.com. Checked for the difference in the versions. Got this doubt that this issue could be because of that.
[19:07] <ctjctj> sarkis, my development team is using 14.04LTS for development but we'll migrate to 18.04 at some point.  *grin*  Just use a LTS for server support.
[19:08] <sarkis> ctjctj: same here .. using LTS - if you don't mind me asking what version do you use on your desktop?
[19:08] <sarkis> do you match your server version?
[19:08] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, it is hard to figure out if a particular issue will be fixed as there are so many issues.  I *know* that 16.10 will resolve your issue, but we'll prove it with a livecd and a test.
[19:08] <LinuxNovice> I checked the website of qpdfview also. They have versions higher that this.
[19:08] <sarkis> ctjctj: nvm i read that wrong - looks like you guys use 14.04 on your desktops? :)
[19:09] <LinuxNovice> ok. Need to download the image and create a live usb.
[19:09] <ctjctj> sarkis, my desktop runs 16.10.x.  I run a KVM virtual machine for development work.  So our desktops run at "latest and greatest" but our sandboxes run at 14.04LTS
[19:09] <sarkis> ah perfect - thanks ctjctj
[19:09] <feneco> ok, not sure if I was hacked yet
[19:09] <sarkis> now just waiting for Lenovo to "officially" announce the X1 Carbon 5th gen :D
[19:10] <feneco> maybe someone can help me analyze the logs
[19:10] <sarkis> going to finally make the leap from osx -> ubuntu for everyday ... on the X1 carbon
[19:10] <ctjctj> sarkis, I have a puppet configuration that keeps all of the servers (about 20) running the same software load.  It also keeps all of the development sandboxes (virtual machines) with *almost* the same software load.  The differences are how noisy they are in telling our system admins when something happens.
[19:11] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Perfect. You're in the right place. Set a label to "Ubuntu" or something you'll remember and click "Add". Then when you're finished, you'll have to accept the changes. That should take a minute or two.
[19:11] <feneco> I couldn't find anything on bash history, both for my user and root
[19:12] <ctjctj> sarkis, the path we took was to lock the development environment to a LTS but to allow the developers to use whatever host OS they wanted at whatever software revisions they wanted.
[19:12] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, it now says "1 operation pending" at the bottom of the window - is that ok?
[19:12] <tekk> hey guys, is there a way to force ubuntu to apply a network config to "any" NIC...
[19:12] <Bashing-om> tdannecy_: Firefly67 A swap partition ??
[19:12] <tekk> the scenario is this...
[19:12] <tekk> i have a machine thats headless, it expects to configure eth0
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yes. That's what you'll be doing when you click "Accept".
[19:13] <tekk> but the card will come up as eth1 and i need it to take the netwrok config
[19:13] <ctjctj> sarkis, so I have some devs running Apples on laptops, some use Ubuntu laptops, some are using M$ laptops, some (me) use desktop machines.  But all of us have a local VM that looks just like a server.
[19:13] <Firefly67> and also, "Create primary partition #1 (ext4, 94 GB) on /dev/sda"
[19:13] <tekk> until the weekend i can't get it not-headless
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Bashing-om: BAH swap. Psh. Nah.
[19:13] <LinuxNovice> So, I feel that Debian Stable would have even older versions of packages than what Ubuntu LTS has. is it so?
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yep. That's what you need.
[19:13] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, idk, I think I am creating space for Ubuntu
[19:13] <xdevnull> Hello people, I've problem. I don't have any sound in my ubuntu. However, i tried to run aplay -l. I think the device has been detected.
[19:14] <xdevnull> if i go to sound setting. almost everything is disabled
[19:14] <ctjctj> tekk, you can use the /etc/network/interface configuration file if need be?
[19:14] <tekk> i do use that ctjctj but it requires specifying the name of the nic
[19:14] <ctjctj> xdevnull, what version of ubuntu?
[19:14] <tekk> i wondered if there was a "Wildcard" style setting
[19:14] <n-iCe> Ok, I thought my device was screwed or something, but tried with another and the same, the thing is, I cannot connect a bluetooth device(speaker, and headphones) and make ubuntu to sound though those devices, any idea?
[19:14] <tekk> that would apply the interfaces config to any connceted nic
[19:15] <xdevnull> 16.04 LTS
[19:15] <ctjctj> tekk have you read "man interfaces"?
[19:15] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, when it says "pending", does it mean it is doing something? Should I wait for a "done" message? "top" doesn't seem to indicate anything is happening
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> guys, Debian Stable not for beginners?
[19:16] <tekk> ah
[19:16] <tekk> INTERFACE TEMPLATES
[19:16] <tekk> iface ethernet inet static
[19:16] <tekk> or am i up the wrong tree?
[19:16] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, given the name of the channel the answer is going to be "Ubuntu"
[19:16] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: There should be a "Go" or "Apply" or "Accept" or "Make it so" button at the top of the window. I don't have a good screenshot, but that's what you're looking for.
[19:16] <mazen160_> Hi
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> will I face such problems, I explained above because of not having the latest versions of packages?
[19:17] <ctjctj> tekk, what you are asking to do is non-standard for me.  There is a default that says to use DHCP.
[19:17] <mazen160_> Is there is anyone from Ubuntu security team online?
[19:17] <tekk> ctjctj, for any interface?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> tekk: Depends on "who" controls networking .. the system or do you manually manage networking ?
[19:17] <ctjctj> I don't understand why you want a default manual configuration as that would cause problems if you ever had more than one interface.
[19:17] <tekk> manuially
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> the problem was because of the difference in the package versions, I feel.
[19:17] <tekk> its ubuntu-server
[19:18] <ctjctj> tekk, as far as I know you should have it default to DHCP.  If not DHCP then get the interface name and configure it.  That interface name should not change.
[19:18] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, /dev/sda7 has been created
[19:18] <blami> LinuxNovice: in Ubuntu LTS you'll get pretty recent and stable versions of software. I've personally never run into any missing feature issue.
[19:18] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Great! Now go back to the Ubuntu installer window and refresh the drives.
[19:18] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, you can use which ever distribution you wish.  I have suggested using 16.10
[19:19] <tekk> during installation it finds the interface thats active
[19:19] <tekk> afterwards it needs manually editing
[19:19] <tdannecy_> You're going to point your install to /dev/sda7
[19:19] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, what do you mean by refreshing the drives?
[19:19] <Bashing-om> tekk: Then if you are manage networking, make sure that ' dpkg -l network-manager ' returns null .
[19:20] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Just make sure the ubuntu installer shows your new partition.
[19:20] <blami> LinuxNovice: in case you need anything bleeding edge or so, you can install latest into virtual machine or so... it's safer and hurts less when there's an unexpected error and something goes wrong
[19:20] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:20] <ctjctj> tekk, that might be the case but the name of the interface should not change once you've booted the first time.
[19:21] <marco__> !list
[19:21] <MOUD> VLC doesn't show subtitles or any kind of text (like increasing/decreasing volume, audio speed, etc). How can I fix it?
[19:21] <xdevnull> ctjctj, I installed PulseAudio now everything is ok.
[19:21] <Bashing-om> !alis | marco__
[19:21] <tekk> ctjctj, the interface name can change if i add /remove / change nics
[19:22] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Can you see the menu text? (File, View, etc)
[19:22] <aab> exit
[19:22] <Fohlen> heya there, I am having some errors and warning on startup in my vnc console, where would I find the respective logs on the disk? (since I can't capture them via vnc)
[19:22] <ctjctj> tekk, that depends *greatly* on the ubuntu version.  The NEW interface will get a NEW name.  but the given interface should always have the same name.  See udev
[19:22] <Fohlen> I've tried dmesg but it contains no errors
[19:22] <tekk> yes true
[19:23] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, so I choose /dev/sda7 ext4 in the "installation type" window?
[19:23] <tekk> so i basically want the NEW interface to use the /etc/network/interfaces config for the OLD interface automatically with no intervention from me
[19:23] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: I think you're on the right track, but to be sure I'd need a screenshot.
[19:23] <tekk> and i know no way of doing that without making some kind of start-up script that will enumerate interfaces and edit the file.. which is hacky at best
[19:24] <blami> tekk: so you want new interface added automatically?
[19:24] <tekk> and for it to use the existing config yes
[19:24] <tekk> it may be claled p3p0 instead of eth0 for example
[19:24] <blami> tekk: why don't use network manager which autoenumerates interfaces?
[19:24] <tekk> can i use network-manager on cli ?
[19:24] <blami> tekk: sure
[19:24] <tekk> interesting
[19:24] <tekk> i'm not destined to need to use /etc/network/interfaces
[19:24] <MOUD> tdannecy_, yes
[19:25] <ctjctj> tekk, blami I believe that what he is doing is planning on testing different NICs.  And he wants each nic, one at a time, to use the same manual configuration.  And not DHCP.
[19:25] <tekk> so network-manager is a great option if it works as i need it to
[19:25] <blami> ctjctj: i don't see why he couldn't do that with nmcli
[19:26] <ctjctj> blami, I don't know either.
[19:26] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Go to Tools > Preferences > Video and tell me what's listed as the output.
[19:26] <blami> tekk: clean way to do it without networkmanager is to prepare systemd generator stencil
[19:26] <MOUD> tdannecy_, automatic
[19:26] <blami> tekk: but that requires knowledge about systemd generators and way how systemd communicates with udev
[19:27] <tekk> right
[19:27] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Play with those options and see if changing that fixes the issue.
[19:27] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, does this look ok: http://imgur.com/a/YTmnE
[19:27] <Firefly67> do I click on "install now"
[19:28] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Before you start, right click on the sda7 partition and assign a mount point of "/"
[19:30] <MOUD> tdannecy_, it's working now. Output: XVideo output (XCB). I was trying to make it work since yesterday. Thank you very much :)
[19:30] <blami> tekk: I have had a lot of hackery around ifup/ifdown /etc/network/interfaces and udev. You don't want to do that as networking is porcelain and unpredictable... Now I have that hackery (profile switching, drive automounting, vpn autoinitialization, docker routing) around networkmanager and it's way more maintainable
[19:30] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Good to hear! You're welcome.
[19:30] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, if I right click, nothing happens. Do you mean I should change "device for boot loader installation" at the bottom?
[19:31] <blami> tekk: because nm is something that constantly watches your network situation (hotplug events which trigger ifup/ifdown are not)
[19:32] <ctjctj> what is the best way to capture the startup text?
[19:32] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: No, leave the boot loader alone. Click on "Change..."
[19:32] <ctjctj> boot startup text.
[19:33] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, ok, I see two fields, "size" and "use as" - "use as" has a dropdown list
[19:34] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: systemd ? ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot,
[19:34] <blami> ctjctj: journalctl -b -0
[19:35] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, blami 14.04LTS
[19:35] <ctjctj> no journalctl :-(
[19:35] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: The "use as" should be set to "/"
[19:35] <sudhirkhanger> Should my swap size be in GB or GiB?
[19:35] <blami> ctjctj: dmesg
[19:36] <blami> ctjctj: dmasg should do - at least for kernel messages
[19:36] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: sadly, in my experience upstart does not have that capability . Best I have been able to come up with is to pause the boot screen while booting .
[19:36] <ctjctj> blami, unfortunately I'm trying to capture the output of the upstart scripts.
[19:36] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, yeah, about where I'm at.
[19:37] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I only get a drop down list, can't set ot to "/"
[19:37] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: What does the dropdown list contain?
[19:37] <elichai2> I have a problem, My Ubuntu stopped working after I've updated some stuff and now I get the BusyBox-initramfs screen on boot
[19:37] <elichai2> Google search told me to restore superblocks, but I have encrypted LVM and when I mount it via Live-CD it works fine
[19:38] <elichai2> ideas on how to fix?
[19:38] <pirata> !ciao
[19:38] <blami> ctjctj: aren't they in /var/syslog?
[19:39] <blami> ctjctj: afaik if you change loglevel to info `% sudo initctl log-priority info`
[19:39] <ctjctj> blami, not that I can verify.
[19:39] <Firefly67> many options, "do not use partition", "ext4 journaling file system", etc. This screenshot is not mine, but it suggests I choose "ext4 journaling file system"? https://i.stack.imgur.com/5JkQX.png
[19:39] <Firefly67> ^tdannecy_
[19:39] <ctjctj> blami, hmmm.
[19:39] <blami> ctjctj: messages from services should go either to syslog or /var/log/boot.log
[19:40] <blami> ctjctj: I don't remember much about upstart, however
[19:41] <elichai2> someone?
[19:41] <blami> ctjctj: there was also per-service log somewhere in /var/log, would expect /var/log/upstart but that's a mere wild guess
[19:41] <LinuxNovice> hello... the problem got solved in 16.10
[19:42] <pirata> lista
[19:42] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, Great!
[19:42] <pirata> !list
[19:42] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: :))
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> very happy now.
[19:42] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, so upgrade to 16.10 and you are done!
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> yes. Great.
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> thanks guys. for your help.
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot.
[19:43] <LinuxNovice> will install 16.10 now.
[19:43] <sudhirkhanger> Should I create my swap in the middle or on one end of the disk if I may be looking at expanding it in future if hibernate requires more?
[19:44] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: Just keep in mind that soon from 16.10 will need to release-upgrade to 17.04. As soon as 17.04 is available .
[19:44] <ctjctj> blami, Yes!  boot.log.  Thank you thank you.
[19:44] <LinuxNovice> ok. that will be even better.
[19:44] <elichai2> anyone? please?
[19:45] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, don't torment the boy like that!
[19:45] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, Lubuntu or Xubuntu for my laptop?
[19:45] <blami> sudhirkhanger: if you plan to expand it its always better to place it after partition you plan to shrink in order to get more space
[19:45] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, stick with Lubuntu.  It is what you are already use to.
[19:45] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: :) . But LinuxNovice Not a big deal huh ?
[19:45] <LinuxNovice> I have used Xubuntu also.
[19:45] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice then it is your choice.  Not mine.
[19:46] <ctjctj> That's the problem with Linux.  The answer is always "well pick one...."
[19:46] <LinuxNovice> I mentioned the specs of my laptop.
[19:46] <LinuxNovice> which one suits it better. It is very old.
[19:46] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: That screenshot you attached is what you're looking for. You need an ext journaling file system with the mount point set to /
[19:47] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, did you see my post above?
[19:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, ummm, you are speaking to a guy that use to run slackware '96 on a P100.... Even if I spent the time to research the specs on your laptop it isn't up to me to choose which will feel best for you.
[19:47] <Firefly67> oh ok
[19:47] <LinuxNovice> after this I don't want to keep changing the distros. Need to get on with my work.
[19:47] <ctjctj> I'm just as likely to be an arse and say something like "bohi" or "mint"
[19:47] <sudhirkhanger> blami: my setup is going to be efi---root---swap or efi---swap----root. If I have to shrink which config is going to be easier former or the latter.
[19:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, then stick with Lubuntu which you have been using.
[19:47] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, other pages suggest I should have a swap partition, and I don't have one. Shouldn't I create one?
[19:47] <blami> LinuxNovice: no big deal, you can install xfce to lubuntu by just installing xubuntu-desktop metapackage afaik
[19:47] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, ok
[19:48] <Firefly67> like this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490801/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-14-04-without-losing-data-on-a-windows-7-pc-physically
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> blami, that's great too.
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> will go for lubuntu
[19:48] <blami> sudhirkhanger: efi root swap
[19:48] <sudhirkhanger> ok thanks
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot, guys. again.
[19:49] <elichai2> if I get initramfs how can I know what caused it? (no errors shows up on screen)
[19:50] <blami> elichai2: like when ubuntu does not boot further than to initramfs environment?
[19:51] <elichai2> blami, yes. stuck in BusyBox
[19:53] <blami> elichai2: I don't know anything about those "rescue" options when booting ubuntu. I'd start with pressing e in grub and removing quiet and splash from kernel cmdline to see what's going on from messages ...
[19:53] <elichai2> blami, it's too fast to read
[19:54] <blami> elichai2: and there are no error messages before it drops you to busybox?
[19:54] <sudhirkhanger> blami: any opinions on standard or lvm. I head lvms are easy to move around.
[19:54] <elichai2> It's hard to see
[19:55] <blami> elichai2: my guess is that initramfs is unable to find/mount root filesystem, but can be dozen of other issues
[19:55] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: you have a lot more options with LVM over conventional volumes
[19:55] <elichai2> blami, that's my guess too, but I don't know how to fix that problem
[19:56] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: I just want to make sure that I can resize swap if more is needed in future for hibernation. Ubuntu installer assigns 16GB for 16GB of RAM. The wiki says I need 20GB.
[19:57] <blami> elichai2: do you see the root device from initramfs environment? I mean is there device node in /dev ?
[19:58] <blami> sudhirkhanger: lvm gives more flexibility
[19:58] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Don't worry about swap. If you have over a gig in ram, you'll be fine.
[19:59] <blami> tdannecy_: he wants to hibernate (not sleep) that imho dumps ram image into swap or something like that
[19:59] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: you should be able to resize the volume regardless of LVM
[19:59] <Fixader> I hope I'm not interrupting any conversation. If so, if anyone is willing to PM me so I don't distract from the topic, that'd be great. I'm really interested in switching to Linux over Windows. I tried Ubuntu studio on another computer and loved it. I was ready to switch right there, the only thing is I'm an audio engineer and Cubase & Pro Tools are my bread an butter. Has anyone successfully ported them in Wine or the like b4?
[20:00] <feneco> when I try to open gnome-software
[20:00] <feneco> I get this error:
[20:00] <feneco> Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files
[20:00] <feneco> any ideas?
[20:00] <tdannecy_> Fixader: I think if you're using two or three programs for your daily life, you shouldn't completely switch. Maybe dual boot or buy get a second computer to try it out on. Then you can go from there.
[20:01] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: I haven't done resizing in ages. In older days it used to take hours. I have to hope it should have improved by leaps and bounds. Standard partitions make more sense for single small disk like mine which is 256GB SSD.
[20:01] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: AFAIK, those aren't ported (I'll have to double check). Running a VM or a dual boot (as tdannecy_ suggested) is probably your best bet.
[20:01] <blami> sudhirkhanger: as swap is salvageable in nolvm environment drill will be: shrink rootfs, grow swap. In lvm there will be also step shrinking the lvm volume holding the filesystem ...
[20:01] <elichai2> blami, I see /dev/sda1 in the initramfs env
[20:01] <blami> sudhirkhanger: what filesystem is your rootfs?
[20:01] <blami> elichai2: is that your root filesystem?
[20:01] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: Otherwise, you'd have to switch software to Linux-friendly FOSS projects like Ardour.
[20:01] <sudhirkhanger> blami: ext4
[20:01] <elichai2> hmm wait, it's /dev/sda5. that's my root
[20:02] <elichai2> /dev/sda1 is the boot partition
[20:02] <blami> sudhirkhanger: then shrinking will be relatively fast
[20:02] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Yeah Ardour looks impressively similar to Cubase in it's newest version. The thing is I don't know if my VSTs would work. That'd be a bummer. But ya, maybe dual boot is ideal. I've just been afraid of accidentally erasing Windows if I set up a dual boot. Is it pretty straight forward?
[20:02] <blami> sudhirkhanger: and should be no problem ... and swap is salvageable (you'll either grow it over space made by shrinking or completely destroy and create new one - and update fstab)
[20:03] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I have 8 GB of RAM, I think conventional wisdom is to assign 4 GM in swap? My old laptop has that. Here is where I read that: http://askubuntu.com/a/49138
[20:03] <quantibility> i went from xubuntu to a fresh install ubuntu, is there any way to transfer certain parts of my previous home folder into my current?
[20:03] <bekks> quantibility: sure, just copy your desired "parts".
[20:03] <elichai2> blami, so?
[20:03] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: I mean, there are a million thoughts about it, but I always run my ubuntu installs with no swap and I've never had an issue. Feel free to add one, but in my experience, a swap drive is not required.
[20:04] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: It's worth dual booting, and then experimenting with the VSTs. I have a similar issue - I have to keep a Mac handy for running my Garritan VSTs, although I feel like there is some sort of compatibility layer in development for Windows/Mac VSTs
[20:04] <quantibility> bekks, so, if i had like a bunch of files just unzip it? cut and paste?
[20:04] <Kman> hi, how to install QT 5.7 in Ubuntu 14.04? via PPA or binary
[20:04] <jwitko> Hey All, question here on ISCSI mounts during a network loss.  I had the following errors come up on a server using an ISCSI connection to a SAN http://cdn.pasteraw.com/j6tsqwua0qhop1cfl59t4spnmmku3z1 .   The issue was easily resolved by unmounting the device using "-f", doing "multipath -F" and "multipath -r", and then remounting the device.  My question is, is there any way that I could have
[20:04] <jwitko> prevented the need for manual intervention here?  Any settings I'm missing that could make iSCSI recover on its own ?
[20:04] <blami> elichai2: i'd try to mount it into /root and drop from busybox to see if it boots fine
[20:04] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: I am following SwapFAQ myself. For my 16GB RAM it says to use 20GB Swap if I am looking to hibernate. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F
[20:04] <blami> elichai2: did you do any partitioning changes?
[20:05] <sudhirkhanger> Thanks blami and dStruct
[20:05] <bekks> quantibility: Did you zip them before?
[20:05] <quantibility> yes
[20:05] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: :D
[20:05] <elichai2> blami, no
[20:05] <bekks> quantibility: So unzip them :P
[20:05] <elichai2> the thing is how do I mount it without cryptsetup
[20:05] <Kman> hi, how to install QT 5.7 in Ubuntu 14.04? via PPA or binary
[20:05] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Good advice, thanks man/woman! Lol, screen names, I never know how to attribute. Do you use Ardour much then? And, so when I install Ubuntu it'll just have a dual boot option?
[20:05] <quantibility> oh so if i unsip em anywhere i should be good enough for me to sifft through?
[20:06] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: I'm a dude. And, I use Ardour a little bit...not as much as I would like, though. (I haven't been able to get it working w/ my audio drivers on this laptop yet).
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: well that little bit complicates things ... I understand now
[20:06] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: As far as dual boot goes, it depends on your version of Windows. There are dual boot tutorials around.......
[20:06] <Firefly67> sudhirkhanger, I only have 256 GB total and only like 90 GB for Ubuntu, I certainly don't want to devote 20 GB to swap, but it is suggested in the link that I posted that you need 4 GB swap if you have 8 GB RAM, so I might want that, though I'm not sure if that's necessary, as tdaneecy_ says
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: problem probably is that your initramfs does not have cryptsetup
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: can you run cryptsetup?
[20:07] <quantibility> bekks, what my problem was before is i some how messed up my working home folder name and current screen name with the system, it seemed off with the permissions.. i screwed up somewhere.. anyhow. now im working off of authoring and setting up mystem before i make a new working defualt of my current set up..
[20:07] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: Your best bet may be to stick with Ubuntu Studio for your purposes, tho. The low latency kernel and the audio setup is helpful. You can totally install those on any other Ubuntu distro, of course, but pre-packaged is nice. :3
[20:07] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: What version of Windows do you have?
[20:08] <bekks> quantibility: I have no clue what you are talking about.
[20:08] <bekks> quantibility: Create a folder, unzip your zip-file into that folder, done.
[20:08] <blami> Firefly67: will he be able to dump e.g. 12GB of occupied memory to swap then when hibernating?
[20:08] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Cool, I will do that! I hope these n00b questions aren't too annoying haha. I'm running Windows 8.1
[20:08] <elichai2> blami, no
[20:08] <blami> elichai2: so now we have culprit
[20:08] <Firefly67> blami, I don't have much of an opinion or understanding of swap
[20:09] <blami> Firefly67: it's not about swap. Hibernation uses swap partition to dump ram before powering off
[20:09] <quantibility> bekks, thanks for your help.
[20:09] <quantibility> now that i wait for all this to unzip.
[20:09] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: my understanding is if you are not looking for hibernating and or photo/video editing then go with minimal swap.
[20:10] <Firefly67> so trying to decide whether or not I want swap - seems to be important only when hibernating. If it is useful even in some rare cases, I would like to have a small swap, given I am not tech savvy and I wouldn't know what to do if things go wrong.
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: I heard rule is to have at least RAM + 2G to be able to hibernate even in case the memory is full (e.g. lot of docker images running)
[20:10] <_adb> ubuntu server 14.04.5. attempting to join wireless (WPA encrypted) network on boot. when the system is starting up, it hangs "waiting 60 more seconds for network configuration", then times out and completes booting without ever getting a connection. once booted up, however, i can log in and `ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0` will successfully join. why wouldn't this work on its own at startup?
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: for ordinary use you'll hardly need swap with 8G of RAM
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: 2-4G for safety reasons is fine, I think
[20:11] <Firefly67> is it possible to add swap later if needed, or is that complicated?
[20:11] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: I run a 1gb swap because I have 16gb of ram, it works fine on Debian for my purposes
[20:11] <blami> Firefly67: it's easy and you don't even need partition I think  (as long as you're not on btrfs)
[20:11] <blami> Firefly67: you can just create sparse flat file and mount it as swap
[20:12] <blami> dStruct: I am running swapless on 16gb machine
[20:12] <blami> dStruct: no problems as well
[20:12] <dStruct> blami: I've done that as well, I probably could have since my machine literally never touches the swap
[20:12] <Firefly67> my current laptop, which I have had for 3 years, has swap, and I have never had any issues with RAM, so I am inclined to add it, but idk if lack of issues was due to presence of swap or just the machine being a good one
[20:12] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: that's what I have been reading if you are not hibernating and or doing memory intensive work only a minimal amount of swap is needed.
[20:12] <Firefly67> but can that minimal amount be 0?
[20:13] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: if you don't plan on hibernating, you can just use sleep, or shut the machine down, with a SSD it only takes seconds to boot back up
[20:13] <sudhirkhanger> Nop don't go with 0.
[20:13] <blami> dStruct: problem is not speed of boot but losing the session
[20:13] <Firefly67> but people seem to report they've run with 0 with no harm done
[20:13] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F
[20:13] <blami> dStruct: I hate even reboots
[20:14] <_adb> /etc/network/interfaces includes "auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\n wpa-ssid <ssid>\n wpa-psk <passphrase>"
[20:14] <dStruct> blami: I shut down on a regular basis to keep my encrypted volume locked when I'm not around
[20:14] <feneco> any idea where this can come from? http://termbin.com/ey4p
[20:15] <blami> dStruct: Understood. On my laptop - this is why I hibernate and not sleep
[20:15] <sudhirkhanger> Is it common for installer partition editor to leave 1mb or 0mb free spaces between partitions.
[20:15] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[20:15] <dStruct> blami: hibernation does not lock encrypted volumes tho..
[20:16] <vitimiti> Is there a way for Nautilus to give my "New file" option back? It's making me mad having to use the console to create a new file
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> what is ubuntu's default mode ?
[20:16] <blami> dStruct: It does depending on setup. I have encrypted LVM of (btrfs, swap). RAM is dumped to swap which is encrypted, then turned off. When I boot again I need to unlock whole LVM and THEN restore image. Neat. Safe.
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> default selinux mode I mean
[20:16] <Firefly67> I would like to add 4 GB swap, how do I do that?
[20:16] <blami> dStruct: much safer than just sleep and screenlock
[20:17] <dStruct> blami: oh very nice indeed, I just have my root and swap LVM'd and 512-bit encrypted
[20:17] <Cust0sLimen> oh by default no selinux
[20:17] <Cust0sLimen> fair enough
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:21] <_adb> ....i can put @reboot root /sbin/ifdown wlan0 && /sbin/ifup wlan0 in
[20:21] <vitimiti> Seriously, though, has the GNOME team flat out removed the Nautilus option to create a new file?
[20:21] <_adb> my /etc/crontab, but this is a horrible solution.... any ideas?
[20:22] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Thanks!
[20:22] <blami> elichai2: problem is that your initramfs has no cryptsetup - did you change kernel or something?
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vitimiti, just joine here so missed your chat, but I doubt it
[20:22] <vitimiti> No, yeah, it's missing
[20:23] <blami> elichai2: usually these things should be automatically included as long as your rootfs is encrypted and properly stated in /etc/crypttab
[20:23] <vitimiti> Just checked the Arch wiki, too, you have to add a script
[20:23] <Firefly67> is swap going to be relevant for hibernation in only ubuntu, or also for windows hibernation?
[20:24] <xangua> Firefly67: Linux only
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, uhmm a Linux swap is Linux only
[20:24] <Firefly67> I see, I never hibernate ubuntu
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however whilst I Was uh deleting WIndows 10  since re installing things on al p top, but whilst I  did that yesterday
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I noticed Windows 10 seems to have some kind of swap file program or something
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> by default built in
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if you have lots of ram, and not going to hibernate or suspend LInux, well it's herbinate that swap needs, but yeah if not going to do that, then I guess no need for swap with lots of ram
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, how much RAM?  also you could add a swap file yourself later if suddenly you want swap, in fact Ubuntu is going to do swap files only I read, and drop the swap partition
[20:26] <Firefly67> I have 8 GB of RAM
[20:26] <elichai2> blami, it should. the problem is tools like Boot-Repair don't handle encryption
[20:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, well then what I put above, and you decide
[20:27] <elichai2> so how can I regenerate /etc/crypttab + fstab + grub acording to the encryption and correct UUID's
[20:27] <Firefly67> and only 256 GB SSD, of which Windows is taking up a lot, so I am only left with 90 GB for Ubuntu, so I don't want to waste space if possible
[20:28] <xangua> Then don't, make 4 GB swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, then don't bother with swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not going to hibernate anyway etc and lots of ram
[20:28] <Firefly67> xangua, how do I make a 4 GB swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in custom install
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or  a swap file
[20:28] <aka> hello , i had an issue in Grub 2
[20:29] <vitimiti> SebthreeBQM10HD, Windows uses "Pagination", it's different from Swap
[20:29] <aka> it doesn't boot windows 10 and just restart every time i choose it
[20:29] <Firefly67> I am just afraid once everything is installed I won't be able to tweak things further, I am not an expert at computer/system administration
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh you don't have an install yet?
[20:30] <Firefly67> are you saying 4 GB swap should be easy to make later on, if needed?
[20:30] <Firefly67> no, I am installing now
[20:30] <Firefly67> no swap yet
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, ok you make a swap partion now and continue installing, or you go without
[20:30] <Firefly67> wondering whether to add
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I have ran fine with 1gb ram and no swap,  but I guess i dind't hibernate
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, swap file could be added later, Ubuntu 17.04 or was it 17.10 will do swap file by default not partiiton
[20:31] <Firefly67> here is my gparted screen: http://imgur.com/a/YTmnE
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I read
[20:31] <aka> hello ,who is good at technical issues of grub2 ?
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I'll probably put some swap in myself when getting to the linux stage,  trying to get al tpo pall re set up windows and linux, well slowly getting there.  but  it only has 2gb ram so, with a samller amount of ram swap makes more sense
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or is it 4gbb ram I got hmm
[20:32] <bekks> !ask | aka
[20:33] <Firefly67> brb
[20:33] <lollololiooolom> ciao
[20:33] <aka> okay bekks and ubottu , i have windows 10 and ubutun but when i choose windows 10 to boot from grub 2 it just restart the pc
[20:33] <lollololiooolom> !list
[20:35] <aka> bekks: ubottu : so how i can fix it ?
[20:36] <beatsteak> Guys, I don't even know where to start. I got k-lined on freenode. Is there still an issue with Quassel? It doesn't even load the GUI anymore on 16.10, although it does start and connect to the freenode server in the background. Also, the Polaris IRC client seems to be nastily broken. It uses too much CPU and caused my notebook to overheat and finally shut off. What's the process name of Polaris? I didn't find any when I tried for 
[20:36] <elichai2> blami, ok, I get volume group not found
[20:37] <beatsteak> ... way to close Polaris, I had to reboot the machine! Also, why is there no thermald shipped with the network install image? I had to manually install it?
[20:37] <crippledmonk> aka: take a look here. Mabey it will help? No guarantee but worth a look. http://askubuntu.com/questions/725290/grub-windows-10-doesnt-start-anymore
[20:38] <aka> crippledmonk: i remove grub and reinstall it and still the same issue
[20:39] <crippledmonk> have you run sudo update-grub
[20:39] <aka> yea
[20:40] <aka> crippledmonk: when i type /boot/grub/grub.cfg at terminal give me permission denied
[20:40] <crippledmonk> are you running it with sudo or just /boot/....
[20:40] <jwitko> Hey All,  if I have a multipath iSCSI setup on a server and the server has a total network failure (all paths in the mpath I/O go down), is there any way for this to automatically recover when the network is restored?  Currently I've been having to unmount the stale mount (due to I/O network loss errors), flush and reset multipath, and then remount the device.  Wondering if there are some
[20:40] <jwitko> settings or recovery options I'm missing that would make this work?  It seems like the iscsi sessions recover gracefully but linux isn't happy until the mount is removed and brought back?
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, it's eaiser to work with gpart the partition editir, if going to make a swap of a certian size and such first
[20:41] <aka> just boot
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, gparted
[20:42] <crippledmonk> aka: preceed with sudo then the /boot/grub.... stuff
[20:43] <_adb> is there a version of https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html document, for example, that is written for server installs that do not have X? "click the network menu in the menu bar" ain't gonna work for me, and i'm coming up empty looking for the relevant config files in /etc/
[20:43] <aka> command not found
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD>                                                                                                                                                  
[20:44] <aka> crippledmonk: do you know the main reason for it
[20:44] <ikonia> aka: it's not a command
[20:44] <ikonia> aka: that it a config file that should not be manually manipulated
[20:45] <crippledmonk> aka: well if your trying to edit eh config file you need to choose an editor to use. nano if you're running in terminal for example gksu gedit if you want a gui program etc.
[20:46] <crippledmonk> aka: I would suggest not messing to much if you are unsure.
[20:46] <aka> i am not expert , and i amnot sure but i want to fix that issue ,
[20:49] <aka> here what happened , first i install ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[20:51] <aka> crippledmonk: ikonia: here what happened , first i install ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[20:52] <ikonia> aka: so you broke grub
[20:53] <ikonia> aka: undo what you did
[20:53] <crippledmonk> sudo apt-get remove grub-customizer  mabey.
[20:53] <aka> ikonia: i remove grub then and install it again and still the same issue
[20:54] <ikonia> aka: not properly it would seem
[20:55] <aka> so i remove grub customizer , should i remove grub and reinstall it again ?
[20:56] <ikonia> aka: depends what grub customizer changed
[20:57] <aka> i remove timeout and remove memetest from boot list to have only windows 10 and ubuntu
[20:58] <ikonia> aka: so it's only windows 10 thats not booting
[20:58] <aka> yes
[20:59] <aka> it get me a black screen then restart the pc
[20:59] <ikonia> aka: so you need to look at the windows 10 boot option you need to look at
[20:59] <aka> how then ?
[20:59] <ikonia> aka: look in the grub config about what it's trying to do when it boots windows 10
[20:59] <aka> how then to look , sorry i am not expert
[21:00] <ikonia> aka: look at the grub.cfg file you where told to earlier
[21:00] <dStruct> Winblows 10 is a nightmare, they're trying to hard to be like Apple and Mac OSX, when you install it, it then shares a bunch of your personal information, contacts, accounts, browsing history, etc with Micro$oft
[21:02] <aka> here what i type "sudo /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:02] <aka> "
[21:02] <aka> sudo: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: command not found
[21:02] <ikonia> aka: thats a text file, not a command
[21:02] <ikonia> you can't execute it
[21:02] <dStruct> aka as a super user?
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: it's called "windows"
[21:02] <dStruct> ikonia: not in my world lol
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: I'm not laughing, stop it
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: and that comment is nothing to do with this channel, so please keep it to your self
[21:03] <dStruct> ikonia: ahh, very true, my apologies :D
[21:03] <aka> so what i write ikonia
[21:03] <ikonia> aka: you need to open it in a text editor
[21:04] <aka> i open the file now
[21:04] <ikonia> aka: ok, so scroll down to the boot options for windows 10
[21:06] <aka> ikonia: ## BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[21:06] <aka> menuentry 'Windows 10 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)' --class windows --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-chain-F47E7E1F7E7DDAB6' {
[21:06] <aka> 	insmod part_msdos
[21:06] <aka> 	insmod ntfs
[21:06] <aka> 	set root='hd0,msdos1'
[21:06] <aka> 	if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
[21:07] <ikonia> aka: didn't ask you to paste it
[21:08] <greyoda> I want to connect a bluetooth keyboard to my PC, recognizes it as a keyboard and starts pairing with it but it fails afterwards. I suspect it's because it requires me to input a pin on the keyboard but the setup device wizard never prompts me to do so.
[21:08] <aka> ikonia: what should i found and what should i do then ?
[21:09] <ikonia> aka: look at the boot options it's trying to boot for windows 10
[21:09] <ikonia> aka: make sure they match up with your system
[21:14] <aka> ikonia: what statement should make me sure of that , because there is a word parttool {root} is hidden
[21:14] <ikonia> aka: just pastebin the windows 10 boot options
[21:17] <aka> Ikonia
[21:17] <ikonia> yes
[21:17] <aka> : sorry for being lost but now words for windows 10 boot options at all
[21:18] <xangua> ??
[21:18] <ikonia> aka: I don't know what you just said, sorry
[21:19] <aka> i am sorry for unprofessional, and  i found no words about boot options for windows 10 at all
[21:20] <Vin3> dual boot u saying?
[21:20] <Vin3> with windows 10?
[21:20] <aka> Vin3: you mean me ?
[21:20] <ikonia> aka: what does the grub menu option for windows say
[21:20] <Vin3> y
[21:20] <ikonia> when it's on your screen
[21:21] <Exterminador> weird thing that happened to me. before zero out the drive, Stremio was working like a charm. now, it don't even load a single movie. any ideas?
[21:21] <Exterminador> that on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:21] <ikonia> Exterminador: zero out the drive ?
[21:21] <aka> Ikonia: grub menu gives me Ubuntu and windows 10 loader , and advanced ubuntu and memory test..
[21:22] <ikonia> aka: ok, so search for the windows 10 words in that file
[21:22] <Exterminador> ikonia: yes. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[21:22] <ikonia> Exterminador: if you've zerod the drive how do you expect it to work....
[21:22] <ikonia> aka: if it's on the screen, it's in that file
[21:22] <aka> Vin3: yes dual boot with windows 10
[21:23] <Exterminador> ikonia: i've reinstalled all again. in windows works well. on Xubuntu it dont even load the movie. even with the addons installed
[21:23] <Vin3> aka: ok I can help you
[21:24] <aka> i press Ctrl+f to find all words about windows 10 and only one line but i didn't get what it means
[21:24] <Vin3> what's is your mother language?
[21:24] <aka> vin3: good, Arabic
[21:25] <greyoda> Are there any Bluetooth drivers that don't come pre-isntalled with Ubuntu?
[21:25] <aka> vin3: here what happened , first i install Ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[21:25] <Exterminador> i've updated the system, all like i had before. and it simply dont start the movie. it stays on the loading screen and then closes.
[21:25] <Vin3> aka: update your grub
[21:26] <ikonia> Exterminador: sounds like a codec is missing
[21:26] <ikonia> Exterminador: at a guess
[21:26] <aka> Vin3: i remove it and install it again and update it many times still the same
[21:26] <Vin3> aka: gksu update-grub
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Dumb question, you have tried other movies, yes ? and others also do not load ?
[21:26] <bekks> aka: So where did you install Ubuntu to, after installing Windows 10?
[21:27] <Vin3> aka: try gksu update-grub
[21:27] <aka> okay
[21:27] <Vin3> go to login screen on ubuntu
[21:27] <Vin3> then press
[21:27] <Vin3> ctrl+alt+f1
[21:27] <Vin3> then login
[21:27] <Vin3> and gksu update-grub
[21:27] <aka> bekks: i install it alongwith windows 10 at c i guess
[21:28] <Vin3> then reboot
[21:28] <bekks> aka: that doesnt answer my question, technically. Which partitions did you have, and wgere did you install Ubuntu to?
[21:28] <Exterminador> ikonia: maybe. i think i've used to have VLC installed. i'll give it a shot
[21:28] <aka> partition sda1 , C
[21:29] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[21:29] <Cust0sLimen> with ubuntu server install iso ... can I somehow get to a terminal so I can manually format disks ?
[21:30] <aka> Vin3: you mean in Terminal ?
[21:31] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: seems it depends on vlc libraries. lol
[21:31] <Exterminador> now, the damn movie is loading.
[21:32] <ikonia> Exterminador: it probably doesn't depend on vlc
[21:32] <ikonia> just the codec it installs
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: :) makong progress .. as ikonia surmissed - codecs missing in the new install (??) .
[21:32] <Exterminador> it's weird in some point, but i've installed vlc and it's working like a charm
[21:32] <Exterminador> well, it depends on vlc libs
[21:33] <Exterminador> seems i'm improving something into linux world
[21:33] <Exterminador> xD
[21:35] <aka> Vin3: hey ?
[21:35] <Exterminador> ikonia: tks for the hint. as you talked in codecs, i've google stremio codecs linux ans found it pretty fast
[21:35] <Necy> Is is straight forward to install kde on 'ubuntu gnome'?
[21:35] <Necy> so it functions well
[21:36] <xangua> You can install as many desktops as you want Necy
[21:36] <Jack> Hello
[21:36] <liberpater> http://stackoverflow.com/a/37956249
[21:37] <Necy> do you know if i install kde on gnome, will i be able to choose from the login you can on unity
[21:37] <ikonia> liberpater: ?
[21:37] <liberpater> Is this really what I need to do to get gem to work properly?
[21:37] <xangua> Necy: yes
[21:37] <Necy> cool cool
[21:37] <liberpater> seems kind of hacky
[21:37] <lasersaber> hi guy
[21:37] <lasersaber> i'm back
[21:38] <ikonia> liberpater: is what ?
[21:38] <ikonia> liberpater: do you have a question
[21:38] <lasersaber> still can't play video at http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[21:39] <liberpater> I am trying to do gem install scss-lint, but I get "You don't have write permissions for the /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 directory."
[21:39] <lasersaber> no ad blockers or no scripts installed. using firefox.
[21:39] <ikonia> liberpater: so sort the permissions
[21:40] <liberpater> ikonia: why would there be permissions issues if all I have done is install ruby and run that command?  Seems like that's an issue with the package
[21:40] <ikonia> liberpater: not really
[21:40] <ikonia> liberpater: look at the permissions on that directory and look at the user your trying to do the gem install as
[21:40] <liberpater> The directory is root:root
[21:41] <ikonia> liberpater: and what user are you executing the install as
[21:41] <liberpater> running as sudo gives me "ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension."
[21:41] <ikonia> liberpater: thats not what I asked
[21:42] <aka> bekks: hey
[21:42] <RoidTUx> exitt
[21:42] <liberpater> IBinder: I'm 'ubuntu'
[21:49] <aka> hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and unmark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but hten i can't boot my windows 10 any more
[21:50] <elcap1> hi, I am running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS under virtualbox, want to share files between host and guest but I have problems connecting
[21:50] <aka> it just restart my pc when i choose it to boot
[21:50] <RoidTUx> elcap1: What is your connection problem?
[21:51] <elcap1> I can see the share folder I created in virtualbox for the mac show up in ubuntu but I can’t access it
[21:52] <elcap1> when I try and click on that shared folder in ubuntu is says I don’t have the right permissions
[21:53] <elcap1> I spent the last 2 hour running in circles trying to fix it but was not successful
 hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and un-mark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but then i can't boot my windows 10 any more
[21:54] <enzotib> elcap1: add yourself to the vboxsf group
[21:54] <aka> hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and un-mark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but then i can't boot my windows 10 any more  it just restart my pc when i choose it to boot
[21:54] <elcap1> how do I do add myself to that group ?
[21:54] <enzotib> elcap1: sudo adduser $USER vboxsf
[21:54] <ikonia> elcap1: open the groups tool and add yourself to it
[21:54] <ikonia> elcap1: users and groups tool
[21:55] <elcap1> k, let me try this…hold on ….
[21:55] <enzotib> elcap1: you should also restart the session
[21:56] <makos20> hi guys
[21:57] <elcap1> ok, I made that change in the terminal, I should restart, right ?
[21:57] <enzotib> elcap1: at least the session, not necessarily the machine
[21:58] <elcap1> gdamn it ! it works now, thanks so much !!
[21:59] <elcap1> I can see the contents of that folder now
[22:00] <elcap1> thanks again, happy new year to you all
[22:00] <cuddle> afk
[22:00] <elcap1> bye for now….
[22:02] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[22:03] <wafflejock> hi Cust0sLimen
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> so fedora generates a kickstart file in /root/ after installation with options selected during install
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> is there some way to do same for ubuntu ?
[22:04] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: not really, no.
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> so for preeseed - basically have to write it by hand ?
[22:06] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: most people start with the wiki example, i'd guess
[22:07] <Cust0sLimen> nacc, thats fine  - just checking - I have always written files for fedora/redhat by hand also ... just like to have an example as a base from a system I installed
[22:07] <Cust0sLimen> but yeah wiki should do fine
[22:08] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: there are some tools to extract preseed-able values, iirc -- debconf-get-selections, maybe?
[22:08] <Cust0sLimen> nacc, ye just saw that on askubuntu - will check it out thanks
[22:08] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: gl!
[22:09] <Cust0sLimen> so another question ... I'm installing ubuntu server iso ... and its downloading stuff ... is there some way to get a server install iso that can install without downloading or would it install fine if I did not have internet connection ?
[22:09] <Cust0sLimen> I guess it probbably would install fine if I did not have internet ...
[22:11]  * Cust0sLimen holds thumbs
[22:14] <wedgie> it will install without internet.
[22:14] <Cust0sLimen> cool stuff
[22:25] <Necy> does anyone know how much extra space kubuntu-desktop would take up?
[22:25] <_adb> depends how many of the dependnecies you already have installed. apt-get will tell you
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info kubuntu-desktop | Necy
[22:28] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, are you still around?
[22:29] <Firefly67> I am trying to install linux, and am getting this message:
[22:29] <Firefly67> The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot.
[22:29] <Firefly67> If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition.
[22:30] <ikonia> Firefly67: so do what it tells you
[22:30] <Firefly67> does anyone know what I should do at this point?
[22:30] <Firefly67> how do I create another partition?
[22:30] <ikonia> Firefly67: the same way you created others in the partition section
[22:30] <Firefly67> I shrunk it in windows
[22:30] <Firefly67> and used gpart to create a new partition in the unallocated space
[22:31] <ikonia> Firefly67: the installer comes with a partitioning section
[22:31] <ikonia> Firefly67: use that to change the partition layout
[22:32] <Firefly67> should I click on "new partition table"?
[22:32] <ikonia> Firefly67: no that will delete the old partition table
[22:32] <Firefly67> a partition is the same as a partition table?
[22:32] <ikonia> it's the thing that holds the information about all the partitions
[22:32] <ikonia> no
[22:33] <Firefly67> oh I see
[22:33] <Firefly67> so I go to gparted to do this?
[22:34] <ikonia> Firefly67: there is a partitioning tool in the installer !
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: There is not already a EFI partition that Windows created ? for boot code to reside in ?
[22:37] <Firefly67> which is the partitioning tool? Does it look like this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/a8Xcn.png
[22:38] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, it created unallocated space, I had to create a new partition called /dev/sda7 there, as it wasn't able to find any other os on the computer and was saying it'd wipe out everything else and install only ubuntu
[22:40] <Firefly67> I can edit a a partition there and make it smaller - will that create unallocated space?
[22:41] <Vin3> Firefly67: gparted
[22:43] <wedgie> Firefly67: yes
[22:43] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: I can only surmise that your Windows is a EFI install (EFI boot partition), and that with ubuntu you are installing as legacy ? Maybe ? As I have no experience with Windows/EFI .
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Firefly67 : Does this help ?
[22:46] <Firefly67> I was following this tutorial at first: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html
[22:47] <Firefly67> then started the official one
[22:47] <chickenbreast> can anyone tell me how to how i can make it so that a python module/script from my home folder can be run from the python interpretor window? i think i need to add the directory to PATH, or PYTHONPATH, or something like that. can anyone explain everything.
[22:47] <Firefly67> I entered USB live by pressing F12 during booting
[22:47] <ikonia> chickenbreast: /path/to/python/script.py
[22:48] <chickenbreast> yeah, but what if i just want to be able to execute script.py, without typing the path everytime?
[22:48] <chickenbreast> because i want to store scripts in my home folder, ikonia
[22:48] <lethu> hello, I have installed the latest mesa from oibaf ppa, and after entering the following command : "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"" I get "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
[22:48] <lethu> I need opengl 4
[22:48] <Firefly67> why would you run scripts from the interpreter?
[22:48] <chickenbreast> ...i dont know. im just learning
[22:49] <chickenbreast> because im trying to do stuff
[22:49] <chickenbreast> script.py.function(value,value)
[22:49] <Firefly67> if you need modules, you can do "from /home folder/file.py import *" - that will import all functions from that script
[22:49] <chickenbreast> thats what i want to run^
[22:49] <chickenbreast> oh
[22:49] <chickenbreast> nice
[22:49] <Firefly67> scripts are usually run on command line, not interpreter
[22:50] <Firefly67> actually when I'm testing scripts, I copy-paste and run on the interpreter
[22:50] <chickenbreast> yeah...i tend to use the idle interpreter for some reason
[22:50] <Cust0sLimen> is there any good reason to not use networkd for xubuntu or ubuntu server ?
[22:50] <chickenbreast> thanks guys
[22:50] <Firefly67> a whole script should be run only when you're sure it runs properly, you can test parts in the interpreter by copy-pasting
[22:51] <chickenbreast> yeah. thats what i will try to do , Firefly67
[22:51] <chickenbreast> thanks
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: From your link " The important link on this screen is the “EFI USB Device” option. " Are you sure sure that you booted the installUSB as EFI ?
[22:52] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, no, I wasn't able to do it that way
[22:52] <Firefly67> I pressed F12 during reboot to get here
[22:53] <Firefly67> I couldn't find USB in the menu like they said I should
[22:53] <wedgie> chickenbreast: if you add the script location to your path, mark it as executable, and it has a proper shebang you can run it without the full path. Note that if you can create a 'bin' directory in your home directory that will be added to your PATH by default
[22:53] <Firefly67> well, there was something that said USB, but when I clicked on it I got back to Windows
[22:53] <wedgie> chickenbreast: though I have no idea how that affects the python interpereter window
[22:54] <chickenbreast> nice to know. thanks, wedgie.
[22:55] <lethu> hello, I have installed the latest mesa from oibaf ppa, and after entering the following command : "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"" I get "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
[22:55] <lethu> And I need opengl 4
[22:55] <ikonia> lethu: does the ppa contain version 4
[22:56] <lethu> ikonia, let me check
[22:56] <ikonia> lethu: you don' tknow
[22:56] <ikonia> but you installed it anyway ?
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm not interested in that approach to solving a problem
[22:56] <lethu> ikonia, I had already installed it previously and it worked
[22:56] <ikonia> lethu: not what I asked
[22:57] <lethu> ikonia, * OpenGL 4.5+ support and new OpenGL extensions: http://mesamatrix.net
[22:57] <ikonia> not what I asked
[22:57] <lethu> ikonia, what did you ask?
[22:57] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Well, until you can verify that the install matchs the Windows install type ( EFI) there is not much else that can be done, On a single shared hard drive you MUST match the install method of Windows . I Do not have the experience to advise how to match Windows .
[22:57] <ikonia> lethu: I asked if the PPA contained Mesa 4
[22:58] <ikonia> (or opengl 4 to be specific)
[22:58] <lethu> ikonia, it's mesa 13 not 4 it's opengl 4 that I need
[22:58] <ikonia> thats why I corrected it
[22:58] <lethu> ikonia, and yes it has opengl 4
[22:59] <ikonia> lethu: so do you need a specific version of mesa to use it, or is it stand alone
[22:59] <lethu> but for a reason it's not enabled for me
[22:59] <ikonia> what's not enabled
[22:59] <ikonia> is the opengl 4 package instlled ?
[22:59] <lethu> ikonia, opengl 4
[22:59] <lethu> nope
[22:59] <ikonia> lethu: then how do you expect it to work
[22:59] <ikonia> what do you expect the opengl version to be if you haven't installed it
[23:00] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, how do I make sure the Ubuntu install is also UEFI?
[23:00] <tomasz> jak z tableta zrobić ruter
[23:01] <bazhang> !pl | tomasz
[23:01] <lethu> ikonia, how do µ%I install it?
[23:01] <lethu> I*
[23:01] <ikonia> lethu: how do you know the repo has it if you don't know how to install it ?
[23:02] <lethu> ikonia, https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[23:03] <ikonia> lethu: opengl support
[23:03] <ikonia> "support"
[23:03] <ikonia> does that mean it actually provides opengl, or just the packages it provides support opengl 4.5
[23:05] <lethu> ikonia,  it provides support for it
[23:05] <CommonCents> Good evening everyone.
[23:05] <ikonia> lethu: right, so again....if it doesn't contain the packages for opengl 4 - how do you expect them to be on your system
[23:05] <CommonCents> Just got a second video card installed.  I'm having some problems getting two monitors working with my xubunut 16.04.
[23:06] <lethu> ikonia, then where do I find opengl4?
[23:06] <ikonia> lethu: no idea
[23:07] <CommonCents> lethu, have you tried "sudo apt-get install opengl4"?
[23:07] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[23:07] <Cust0sLimen> how can I see all packages that require python-minimal ?
[23:07] <clived> hello
[23:08] <lethu> CommonCents, let me check
[23:08] <lethu> CommonCents, there is no such package
[23:09] <CommonCents> OK.  I'm checking
[23:09] <kambei> Using 14.04 LTS, which I attempt to mount an nfs4 volume with the sec=krb5 option, it fails "an incorrect mount option was specified"
[23:09] <kambei> Any ideas on why sec=krb5 would fail?  I have the proper modules loaded.
[23:11] <Ben64> lethu: i don't think your problem is related to packages
[23:12] <lethu> Ben64, CommonCents I found the fix, I did not add the correct repository
[23:12] <lethu> thanks for your help!
[23:12] <CommonCents> OK.  That's good.
[23:13] <lasersaber> video will not play. unsing firefox. help. http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[23:15] <Guest4617> what tool can I use to check vram allocation? so I can see what application is using what
[23:16] <KRAAN> hello
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Laundry tool my attention. Were me I would consilt the firmware manual for your hardware and see what the boot option are and how to get them up .
[23:20] <Bashing-om> consult*
[23:21] <GroundZero1> hey there..can i ask a question about ubuntu mate? on the ubuntu mate channel is nobody online
[23:21] <GroundZero1> GroundZero1> anyone here? need help with my panel menu
 i wanted to edit the order of my categories of the apps in the upper menu
 and now..the application list is just empty
 and when i open the window to edit the order again...the windows closes and doens't show up
[23:22] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I think I will consult the system administrators at work, this seems beyond my expertise level, I really don't even understand BIOS/UEFI/legacy mode/secure boot etc.
[23:22] <KRAAN> hello there i have a toshiba satellite p85 laptop with ubuntu 16/4 installed on it and i wanted to give another operating sytem a try but i cant boot from a usb the computer boots straight into ubuntu without a promp i tested the usb on a different machine and it works fine so i dont know why this computer wont boot from it i would appreciate any help
[23:23] <lasersaber> KRAAN, have you considered Virtualbox?
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Do not feel alone, many of us are in that boat with you . I have yet to work with a EFI system .
[23:24] <Firefly67> yeah, if I could do it myself I would learn and my confidence would increase, but I am kinda terrified of destroying my new laptop by doing things wrong
[23:25] <KRAAN> Lasersaber yes but i wanted to figure out whats wrong with this specific machine i can install it into another machine as well if it doesnt work
[23:25] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Going back to your link, I bet that if you were to look with 'efibootmgr' thre is no entry for ubuntu .
[23:25] <c00lbard> KRAAN: BIOS/UEFI boot order?
[23:26] <priporg> is nano a graphical application?
[23:26] <k1l_> priporg: its a cli editor
[23:27] <KRAAN> c00lbard the order is set to boot from usb first but even then it skips it completely i tried uefi and legacy modes no difference
[23:27] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: You will not destry beyond what you can fix . Worst case is to re-install Windows and ubuntu . It is all softwaare. Make you feel any better ?
[23:27] <priporg> k1l_, cli like gedit?
[23:27] <k1l_> priporg: cli means "command line interface". some call it terminal
[23:27] <k1l_> or konsole
[23:27] <Firefly67> yes, and I have backed up windows to a HDD
[23:28] <priporg> k1l_, yes i understand. is gedit also a cli  editor?
[23:28] <k1l_> priporg: no, gedit is a gui editor. graphical user interface.
[23:28] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: See, You are all set for the learning curve :)
[23:29] <Firefly67> yeah, these days you are supposed to administer your own machines, system administrators only do the network stuff, they get impatient with people who are incompetent at managing their own machines
[23:29] <c00lbard> KRAAN: Is USB enabled pre-OS?
[23:30] <priporg> k1l_, thanks. how do i add a launcher?
[23:30] <k1l_> priporg: for what? if the program is installed from the ubuntu repo it should create a launcher by itself
[23:31] <priporg> k1l_, i want to create a custom launcher
[23:31] <k1l_> !launcher
[23:31] <mdeguest__> test
[23:32] <para000> hi guys
[23:32] <KRAAN> c00lbard: i think so before i installed ubuntu 16.4 i was able to boot into any usb i prepared as a bootable drive but there is no specific option for pre os usb in my bios as far as ive seen
[23:32] <k1l_> priporg: look at this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/78730/how-do-i-add-a-custom-launcher
[23:32] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Any consolation. none of us were born knowing what we know - it is all a process of learning . Presently you are to know how to boot that USB in EFI mode .
[23:32] <KRAAN> c00lbard: i had ubuntu 14. something before i installed the latest version if that helps
[23:33] <k1l_> priporg: but that is not the right thing, if you mean a launcher for the unity starter bar on the left
[23:33] <para000> I have ubuntu 16.04 and I wanna assign multiple external IPs to it, and I searched the internet for the past 2 days can't find any viable solution.
[23:34] <k1l_> priporg: this is the proper documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, a launcher icon to be place on the left bar
[23:34] <Firefly67> when I type "efibootmgr" in the trial version, it says: EFI variables are not supported on this system
[23:34] <kambei> para000: Is it behind a firewall?
[23:34] <Ben64> para000: you need to have the ips
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, which link should i be reading?
[23:34] <kambei> Also, what he said
[23:34] <para000> Ben64: i have the IPs
[23:34] <k1l_> priporg:  the second one
[23:34] <para000> i rented a server with 9 aditioanl ips
[23:34] <Ben64> para000: so add them to an interface
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, thank you
[23:34] <para000> i just need to add them to the server
[23:35] <para000> ubuntu server 16.04 is complicated
[23:35] <Ben64> para000: nope
[23:35] <Ben64> para000: http://askubuntu.com/questions/313877/how-do-i-add-an-additional-ip-address-to-etc-network-interfaces
[23:36] <para000> Ben64: this is my interfaces file https://codepaste.net/np9uah
[23:37] <para000> Ben64: i tried that and i fuckted up the server and needed to reinstall
[23:37] <para000> Ben64: and this is what the interfaces points to https://codepaste.net/vsvzbq
[23:38] <Ben64> doesn't look like a server install
[23:38] <para000> Ben64: do i need to make my main IP static first ?
[23:38] <para000> Ben64: is fress install of 16.04 LTS, and done only update and upgrade on it
[23:38] <para000> nothing more
[23:39] <para000> just this 2 commands since my last reinstall
[23:39] <Ben64> doesn't look like a server install
[23:39] <para000> k, Ben64, in my situation what i need to do?
[23:40] <para000> cause i rented from OVH one VPS and selectged Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[23:40] <Ben64> no idea, it doesn't look like a server install
[23:40] <Ben64> good, ask them what to do
[23:41] <slah> bonjour
[23:44] <para000> i checked the Google Comput Engine that is runing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and that has same configuration
[23:44] <para000> so :(
[23:46] <Darkchaos> Is here anyone which knows about the ddebs.ubuntu.com repository? I am having a 404 for yakkety-security/main/binary-i386/Packages and yakkety-security does not have a Release file, thus I get some errors
[23:48] <ZJAY> how would i soft link a path like /Volumes to my main path /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive> i need it to see the soft link path in a script..
[23:48] <Ben64> ZJAY: man ls
[23:48] <Ben64> ln*
[23:49] <ZJAY> willit see the softpath in a bash shell or korn shell script
[23:49] <wedgie> yes
[23:49] <Ben64> it's not a shell function, it's a filesystem thing
[23:49] <wedgie> ln -s <link path> <link name>
[23:50] <priporg> how to edit existing launcher file? for example, the File launcher.
[23:51] <ZJAY> solike "ln -s /Volumes /media/dumpebut/"
[23:52] <ZJAY> will do it
[23:52] <wedgie> ln -s /media/dumpebut/whatever /Volumes
[23:52] <wedgie> assuming /Volumes is the link, not the original
[23:52] <ZJAY> ok my bad
[23:52] <ZJAY> yes /Volumes is the link tyvm wedgie
[23:57] <fegsgrhth> /mode $me +x
[23:58] <fegsgrhth> /mode $me +x
[23:59] <ZJAY> yea that didn't work right or i did it wrong i need /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive> to be able to look like /Volumes/<somehugedrive> so basically if i do a cd /Volumes/<somehugedrive> it is the same as doing a cd /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive>