[06:01] <hikiko> hi
[08:59] <Laney> morning!
[09:07] <seb128> good morning Laney!
[09:07] <seb128> how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:09] <Laney> not too bad thanks
[09:09] <Laney> almost got under 5 minutes on the donation yesterday
[09:09] <Laney> 05:11
[09:09] <Laney> next time!
[09:09] <Laney> what about you?
[09:09] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:10] <seb128> though I already miss the holidays morning extra-sleeping
[09:11] <Laney> indeed
[09:14] <Laney> not long until next christmas :-)
[09:16] <seb128> yeah, and this year is good for holidays, most of our national days are on fridays and there is only one that end up being on a saturday (and none on sundays)
[09:16] <Laney> nice!
[09:26] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> I'm back from the gym, just need to freshen up.
[09:34] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[10:49] <xnox> tedg, looking at src:url-dispatcher does that work under systemd at all?
[10:49] <xnox> i see that it tries to query things with upstart....
[10:55] <xnox> sil2100, could you review and approve https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity-scope-click/systemd/+merge/313713 ? =) or is that bypassing the processes....
[10:57] <xnox> seb128, can you please make me the assignee of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace-upstart and target it to zesty somehow?
[11:05] <sil2100> xnox: hey! Let me take a look, but I'm not a click scope developer ;p
[11:09] <xnox> sil2100, i'm not sure anybody  is.... =)
[11:10] <xnox> it's not scope related per se, just systemd session job, in addition to the upstart session job.
[11:14] <sil2100> Yeah, see it, I guess I might be able to review that ;)
[11:27] <xnox> sil2100, nope, there should not have ever been either dependencies on upstart or systemd. it's integration with a running session, if present, but doesn't require it.
[11:27] <xnox> e.g. one should be able to install these packages in a chroot and execute binaries without any sessions at all.
[11:27] <sil2100> xnox: ACK
[11:27] <sil2100> xnox: top approved in that case
[11:28]  * sil2100 wonders why there was an upstart dep in the first place there
[11:28] <xnox> sil2100, on the other hand, i have added upstart dependency to unity8-desktop-session and ubuntu-touch-sessions as those do explicitely exec "upstart --user" to kick off the sessions.
[11:28] <xnox> because, i'm dropping the deps everywhere else.
[11:28] <xnox> =)
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, I'm not the only person who requires rust then https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2017-January/msg00001.html \o/
[12:23] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi
[12:23] <ricotz> see pm
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, replied
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> happy new year :)
[12:24] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I got the impression that rust in firefox is still optional
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, it's not going to be optional for long
[12:25] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I mean "--disable-rust" is still a thing
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, yeah, the plan is for it to be mandatory early this year though. That option isn't going to be around for very long
[12:27] <ricotz> I see, starting with 53 or 54?
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> Possibly 53
[12:28] <ricotz> hmm
[12:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol, we can easily hold on that update though ;-)
[12:39] <seb128> xnox, blueprint assigned to you and re-targetted
[12:41] <xnox> tah
[12:41] <seb128> yw!
[12:43] <flocculant> welcome back all you desktoppers :)
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, o/
[12:44] <seb128> hey flocculant, thanks
[12:45] <flocculant> hope you all had good break :)
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks ;)
[14:05] <tedg> xnox: Not that I know of, we need to get U8 moved over first me thinks.
[14:48] <b4n> andyrock: had you a chance to look further at making keybinding for some plugin work also in case of grabs? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1653072)
[14:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1653072 in Compiz "Make accessibility shortcuts usable in all context" [Undecided,New]
[14:48] <b4n> if not, I'll give it a try
[14:50] <andyrock> Hey
[14:50] <b4n> hey :)
[14:50] <andyrock> I m working on it
[14:50] <b4n> awesome :)
[15:16] <Hallo32> Hi, are there any improvements for the network manager in 16.10?
[17:17] <seb128> k, calling it a day
[17:17] <seb128> it was quiet here today!
[17:17] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers, see you tomorrow
[17:17] <Laney> night seb128
[18:53] <andyrock> b4n: you here?
[18:53] <b4n> not really, but fire away
[18:54] <andyrock> so if I have a menu open here and I type super+alt+s to activate the screen reader
[18:54] <andyrock> it does not work
[18:54] <andyrock> to my knowledge there is nothing special with this keybinding
[18:55] <andyrock> at least in unity
[18:55] <b4n> sorry, super+alt+s is managed by what?
[18:55] <andyrock> by the shell, the settings-deamon register it to the current shell using the key grabber dbus-api
[18:56] <andyrock> so it can be unity, gnome-shell, metacity, etc...
[18:56] <b4n> ok, so it's kinda expected it doesn't work I guess
[18:56] <b4n> 2s, lemme see one thing
[18:58] <andyrock> let me try on a different shell
[18:58] <b4n> yeah ok indeed it doesn't
[18:58] <andyrock> but it works on the lockscreen (at least in unity)
[18:58] <andyrock> that because we allow it and have the full control
[18:58] <andyrock> let me try on a different shell
[18:59] <b4n> gnome-shell also works on the lock screen
[18:59] <b4n> I believe the report was about MATE's
[18:59] <b4n> but in any case you're right, it doesn't work when menus are open
[19:00] <b4n> OTOH, orca's own keybindings do work
[19:01] <andyrock> but I can try to use XI2 directly
[19:01] <b4n> yeah, as said I believe it's what Mumble use, and it works inside grabs
[19:02] <b4n> did you try your idea of using at-spi API?
[19:07] <andyrock> after a look at the API i don't think that's what they're meant for
[19:08] <andyrock> we use XI2 inside unity because we have the control on the main loop and on the x11 events
[19:08] <andyrock> not sure we can do that inside a plugin
[19:08] <andyrock> but I'll try
[19:09] <b4n> nah at-spi's API isn't really meant for that I guess
[19:10] <b4n> okay, thanks
[20:07] <jcastro> tedg: the theme looks so much nicer in the --edge inkscape
[21:10] <tedg> jcastro: Yeah, GTK3 is better :-)
[21:11] <tedg> jcastro: I'm excited to finally drop GTK2 in Inkscape.