[06:06] <Bashing-om> R&R time guys , laters
[07:20] <ducasse> morning all
[07:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[07:49] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, insomnia again? :)
[08:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, I seem to wake up every 3 hrs
[08:01] <ducasse> annoying. only suggestion i have is to try melatonin, it worked for me.
[08:03] <BluesKaj> well, my sciatica is acting up too
[08:05] <ducasse> no wonder you can't sleep :(
[08:08] <ducasse> snowing here today, and really windy up here on the hill. unfortuately, i _have_ to go out today, not looking forward to it.
[08:12] <BluesKaj> we;re going to get an arctic cold front by this evening , -20C
[08:20] <ducasse> sounds horrible. stay inside :)
[08:31] <BluesKaj> we plan to
[08:32] <BluesKaj> think I'm ready for more sleep...later
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:03] <ducasse> awake again, BluesKaj? :)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, yeah , slept another 4 hrs for a total of 7 , so i'm good :-)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> 'Having morning coffee atm
[13:07] <ducasse> that's not bad :) i'm still sitting here, drinking tea and helping out when i can in #u. my cat is wandering around the keyboard insisting on attention, though, so it's hard to focus :)
[13:27] <ducasse> btw BluesKaj, configured a microsd card and a usb stick with xbian, going to try if it works later today. thanks a lot for the guides!
[13:28] <BluesKaj> ducasse, right, hope it works for you
[13:29] <BluesKaj> I used Raspbian with the new Pixel desktop ...it's quite nice
[13:30] <ducasse> i've heard a lot of people say that about pixel. it's based on lxde or lxqt, right?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> lsdr
[13:32] <BluesKaj> lxde rather
[13:33] <BluesKaj> phat phingers
[13:34] <BluesKaj> I tyried the the trinity desktop on it , but ran into permission problems so I reinstalled raspbian pixel
[13:34] <ducasse> hehe... i've got a fat wrist, typing with wrist support is not as easy as i'd like. leads to heavy use of backspace.
[13:40] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i was thinking of getting an rpi3 with pixel for my nephew, is it enough for basic browsing stuff? i'd think the most important thing for him would be youtube.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ducasse, the rpi3 is quite capable of good video performance as along as the gpu memory share setting is high enough. I've been using 192 in kodi and it works quite well, not sure about you tube Hi Def tho..I can check it out
[13:44] <ducasse> BluesKaj: hi def would not be important in his case, i doubt the stuff he watches is available in it anyway.
[13:49] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i see the memory split is set to 256 by default on the xbian image, that would probably be a bit high if you intend to use it as a desktop.
[13:49] <ducasse> (but then i wouldn't use xbian) :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> youtube hi dewfy
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ducasse I checked out the youtube channel in 1080i video and it seemed ok , at raspian configuration/performance at 192, which edges close to max power requirement from the PSU indicator
[14:22] <ducasse> BluesKaj: that's not bad, thanks. i doubt he'll need that, though, he's mostly watching game and music videos.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> right
[14:24] <BluesKaj> works even better with 720p on kodi
[14:24] <ducasse> i mostly use 720p videos myself, although i can't remember any problems with 1080p. as long as they're not hevc.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> have you tried the strukturag/libde265 ppa? I'm not going to bother until I encounter a hevc video, which i haven't so far
[14:32] <ducasse> no, i haven't. i still don't really need it, and in the longer term i'm planning on getting another device anyway. it would be nice with something that has a proper remote etc.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I use a wireless KB and mouse and it sort of acts as a remote using kodi
[14:35] <ducasse> i use an android phone with the official 'kore' remote. works well, but at times i'd rather have a regular infrared remote with physical buttons.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> I have an android phone as well, and one of my friends uses his phone as a remote too, but I haven't bothered trying the app
[14:39] <ducasse> it's actually rather nice, they've baked in a lot of functionality.
[14:42] <ducasse> i actually can't think of anything you can't easily do from the app. i mostly just use the basics, though, so there might be more advanced stuff i've missed.
[14:43] <ducasse> but for managing the library, controlling playback, selecting subtitles/audio tracks etc it works well.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> all of the actions described on their website seem to be similar to navigating kodi with the mouse and KB here since kodi is displayed on my tv
[14:50] <ducasse> yes, but it's more comfortable imo. i guess that depends on your keyboard and mouse, but a phone takes up little room and is mostly there anyway.
[14:50] <ducasse> if you're going to be editing/adding a lot of text, i'd prefer a keyboard, though :)
[16:26] <WildPenguin> hello...
[16:28] <ducasse> WildPenguin: \o
[16:31] <WildPenguin> hi..
[16:32] <WildPenguin> just curious about various things in Linux, particularly in Ubuntu.
[16:33] <ducasse> feel free to ask :)
[16:35] <WildPenguin> which stage of  Debian can Ubuntu be compared to? Stable, Testing or unstable?
[16:36] <nicomachus> !debian
[16:36] <ubot5`> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[16:36] <nicomachus> that link may be helpful, WildPenguin
[16:38] <WildPenguin> ok. thanks a lot
[16:40] <nacc> WildPenguin: generally, ubuntu is based off unstable at the time of the release (well, just before it, around feature freeze time)
[16:41] <WildPenguin> there are some Ubuntu/Lubuntu derivatives like LXLE which are also adhere to their theme. For example lxle is built for old computers. How reliable are they?
[16:42] <WildPenguin> in terms of security and stability.
[16:42] <nacc> WildPenguin: you'd presumably need to ask them
[16:42] <ducasse> dunno, i only use ubuntu, debian and arch.
[16:42] <WildPenguin> ok.
[16:43] <WildPenguin> ducasse, you have used three distros. which one do you think is really beginner friendly?
[16:44] <ducasse> WildPenguin: of those three, cleary ubuntu. i have used a lot of other distros over the years, those three are just the ones i prefer now.
[16:44] <ducasse> *clearly
[16:45] <WildPenguin> ok. I'll stick with Ubuntu, then.
[16:46] <ducasse> WildPenguin: one very important thing is that ubuntu has a great community for support, and if you google for something, there are probably more answers for ubuntu than most other distros - at least that's the impression i get.
[16:46] <WildPenguin> that's a very important factor.
[16:49] <ducasse> the ubuntu community in general tend to be helpful and not looking down on beginners. if you have problems, someone in #ubuntu is almost always there to help.
[16:49] <WildPenguin> yes. that's true.
[16:50] <ducasse> i'd also advice you to learn how to get the most out of search engines, there are _tons_ of material out there. very often you will find a direct answer to your question.
[16:51] <WildPenguin> ok
[16:52] <WildPenguin> can I run the SAP ERP package on Ubuntu or on any of its derivatives?
[16:54] <ducasse> seems so, although not supported. i'd advice asking in #ubuntu-server
[16:55] <WildPenguin> I just need to be able to run that on Ubuntu.
[16:56] <ducasse> i've never worked with sap, so i have zero experience with it. try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server, someone there should know.
[16:58] <WildPenguin> ok.
[17:11] <WildPenguin> ducasse, thanks a lot.
[17:11] <ducasse> WildPenguin: np, any time.
[17:12] <WildPenguin> was going through the link you provided. thanks.
[18:56]  * nacc ponders if "< unimouse> nacc suck me idiot" is reason to invoke ops...
[18:57] <daftykins> looks justified to me.
[18:57] <daftykins> maybe less via the trigger and more via a channel join, but you know how useful they are at the best of times...
[18:58] <nacc> yeah
[19:01] <ducasse> just give people a hint in #ubuntu-offtopic, tends to work.
[19:01] <ducasse> happpy new year, both of you!
[19:01] <daftykins> \o
[19:01] <nacc> ducasse: ah good point, thanks!
[19:01] <daftykins> and to you sir
[19:01] <nacc> ducasse: same to you!
[19:01] <daftykins> meh offtopic is a cess pool :P
[19:01] <nacc> heh
[19:02] <ducasse> yes, but full of people with +b superpowers :)
[19:02] <ducasse> how was the holidays, daftykins?
[19:03] <daftykins> well i just discovered a water leak in my house, so it's back to work with a bump ;)
[19:03] <daftykins> how was yours?
[19:03] <ducasse> mine was fine, quiet. visited my mother + sister and kids christmas eve, that was about it.
[19:04] <ducasse> water leaks are no fun :(
[19:05] <ducasse> i'm playing with calibre, trying to get some books i've bought recently nicely organized etc. still need a good reading device, researching.
[19:22] <daftykins> ah har
[19:22] <daftykins> yeah i had quiet ones at my parents with my one remaining grandparent too, she's 95 now and totally gone mentally sadly
[19:22] <daftykins> makes for the repetitive conversations :P
[19:23] <ducasse> sad, but little that can be done :(
[19:23] <daftykins> such is the way, mmm
[19:24] <ducasse> daftykins: news - bought a third monitor. ahh, the luxury! :)
[19:25] <daftykins> D:
[19:28] <ducasse> any plans for the new year?
[19:33] <daftykins> work as much as i can and spend a lot on fixing up the house i think!
[19:37] <ducasse> have fun with that ;)
[19:38] <ducasse> btw, nearly quit smoking - down to 3, 4 per day...
[19:38] <ducasse> there's hope i'll finally get down to zero on of these days.
[19:39] <daftykins> \o/
[19:39] <daftykins> what was your usual rate?
[19:40] <ducasse> you'll never get that out of me!
[19:40] <ducasse> (but more than one pack per day)
[19:41] <ducasse> (much more)
[19:41] <daftykins> i don't even know how many is in one
[19:42] <ducasse> 20
[19:42] <daftykins> ah right
[19:42] <daftykins> what are your thoughts on the electronic gadgets?
[19:42] <ducasse> which gadgets in particular?
[19:43] <ducasse> oh, those.
[19:43] <BluesKaj> I was smoking 2 packs per week , then I finally quit for good almost 2 yrs to the day ... some of my bandmates still smoke
[19:44] <BluesKaj> and I had quit for 10 yrs up until 2011. and I succumbed , but not all the way
[19:44] <daftykins> :o
[19:45] <BluesKaj> smoking is tough to quit, that's a fact
[19:53] <ducasse> still going to do it, i'm pretty determined.
[19:54] <BluesKaj> good!
[19:54] <ducasse> i think step 1 is _stop mentioning smoking!_ :) it immediately makes me want one. the big hurdle is probably to think of something else.
[19:55] <daftykins> i like cake
[19:55] <daftykins> but i won't give that up! ;)
[19:56] <BluesKaj> the craving usually lasts less than a minute IME , now when I see somebody light up it last for only a few secs
[19:56] <BluesKaj> for a minute when you're trying to quit
[19:57] <ducasse> hehe - this is what my cat does when she wants attention/treats - http://imgur.com/a/BVzMM
[19:58] <daftykins> :D
[19:58] <daftykins> ooh the das keyboard makes an appearance
[19:58] <ducasse> yup :) /me loves it.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> take care folks