[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> because your 1tb usb flash drive just isn't big enough... https://liliputing.com/2017/01/kingston-launches-2tb-usb-flash-drive.html
[00:32] <daftykins> oof
[00:33] <daftykins> those things are enabling such craziness :>
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> perfect for emergency cat videos when zombie apocalypse happens...
[00:39] <daftykins> that's true
[00:40] <daftykins> i put in another 2 Pis today as yet more music streamers for my clients place
[00:40] <zmoylan-pi> but you'll have to order it and fill it before trump is sworn in... :-p
[00:40] <daftykins> can't sniff at £40 per node when you've already got a stereo there!
[00:40] <zmoylan-pi> the pi's are a truly remarkable industry changing piece of tech
[00:41] <daftykins> actually lets remote in and tweak their settings whilst i remember their IPs
[00:43] <daftykins> lucky they're not home else i could start blaring music in their bedroom 8D
[00:45] <diddledan> I'm wondering if raspi are gonna do a birthday version bump again this year
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> play a subliminal mp3 at low volume in bedroom 'give daftykins a nice bonus...' :-P
[00:46] <daftykins> :D
[00:57] <zmoylan-pi> would be a great drive to bring to work in on first day at nsa and a pro snowden bumper sticker...
[01:15] <ali1234> i just installed mythtv-ackend on a raspberry pi
[01:15] <ali1234> i dont think it is going to be fast enough
[01:16] <daftykins> newp :>
[01:17] <ali1234> i should probably just switch to tvheadend or something
[01:19] <daftykins> i know it'd make a lot of folk happy if a future Pi did HEVC 10-bit decode :>
[01:20] <ali1234> mysql is the killer apparently
[01:21] <ali1234> its using 25% CPU just idling
[01:21] <daftykins> how's that dire net connection of yours? any improvement over the last while?
[01:21] <ali1234> no, its still the same as ever
[01:22] <daftykins> :<
[01:23] <daftykins> can't wait until i can go do the work at a clients, he put all his sockets on the same incoming line - so i bought a proper NTE5a off ebay for £11 including a built in filter module - gonna make it the proper master and then slave the rest
[01:23] <daftykins> doubled his connection speed last time i visited :D
[01:24] <ali1234> yeah just dont tell BT
[01:24] <daftykins> well, they don't exist over here but yeah, no DMC modding :D
[01:24] <ali1234> and get the proper punch down tool
[01:25] <ali1234> dont buy the plastic ones they are useless
[01:25] <daftykins> yeah i have owned a Krone IDC for many a moon
[01:25] <daftykins> gotta do those patch panels!
[01:25] <daftykins> i've often wondered if they'd take a Krone away from you on flights, 'cause i needed to do stuff in Spain before now
[01:26] <ali1234> i doubt it
[01:26] <ali1234> but they only cost like £2
[01:39] <daftykins> mmm more the trouble of sourcing one down there
[03:55] <RockyRoad> Hello  ............
[07:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Trivia Day! 😃
[09:19] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:32] <knightwise> morning foobarry
[09:32] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt
[09:32]  * knightwise just ordered a rasp pi II
[09:32] <knightwise> III
[09:35] <foobarry> my internet is uppy downy today
[09:35] <foobarry> and i'm at work :(
[10:07] <popey> scan order for cheap video card cancelled...
[10:07] <knightwise> Put my pihole back in operation , scary to see how much of my traffic is ad related
[10:07] <knightwise> good morning popey
[10:08] <foobarry> have scan gone titsup?
[10:08] <popey> no
[10:08] <popey> they had an oopsie on amazon, a high end video card for 10 quid
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> but the suspiciously cheap card is not been sent... bad popey! :-P
[10:09] <popey> Azelphur ordered like 30 of them
[12:31] <awilkins> Possibly Controversial Opinion : StrongSwan is a complete PITA and not a good choice of VPN client
[12:32] <awilkins> Upside : they have a great attitude to security, they are an active project, etc
[12:32] <awilkins> Downside : They let their attitude to security get in the way of being actually able to use their software for it's intended purpose
[12:33] <awilkins> AFAIK StrongSwan is the only VPN client that does IKEv1 for current Debian / Ubuntu that integrates with network manager
[12:33] <awilkins> Sadly, you can't actually *use* it for IKEv1 via network manager
[12:34] <awilkins> AFAICT there is NO VPN client that does IKEv1 + XAUTH that integrates with NM at the moment
[12:34] <awilkins> Which is a shame because it's the go-to VPN config for most of the places I've worked
[12:34] <awilkins> I get it, it's rubbish and old therefore we shouldn't be promoting it's use
[12:35] <awilkins> You do that by making it hard to set up as a server, not by making it virtually impossible to use as a client
[12:35] <awilkins> That just makes it hard to use Ubuntu as a workstation in a business that uses that flavour of VPN
[12:37] <awilkins> StrongSwan even has opinions about the strength of PSK that's permissible - AFAICT if your PSK is less than 20 chars, it refuses to work because of their low opinion of the security level of that. Well, I can't tell my sysadmin to change the common PSK for 200 users just because StrongSwan says so....
[12:42] <awilkins> And if you install the "strongswan" package so you can attempt to configure and run it from files / command line, it conflicts with ike / ike-qtgui (the Shrew Soft VPN client) which is rude and annoying and doesn't integrate with NM ... but does have the advantage of working for at least *some* of the IKEv1 / PSK / XAUTH connections I use.
[12:43] <awilkins> (by "no VPN client" I mean, no VPN client that you can get from the main package repo)
[13:05] <foobarry> https://learntemail.sam.today/blog/my-watch-runs-gnu-linux-and-it-is-amazing/
[13:05] <foobarry> never wanted a smart watch until now
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> had me right up till they ran systemd :-P
[13:17] <Rixon> Hi there, I have a system on Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS with php5 installed. I've just added Ondřej Surý's PPA to get the php5.6 package and was just about to install it with apt-get when I suddenly realised I'd better ask in here: do I need to remove php5 first or will the package manager deal with that for me?
[13:19] <diddledan> Rixon: I believe it'll upgrade in-place fine
[13:20] <Rixon> diddledan: excellent thank you =)
[13:22] <Rixon> ah, apt-get just told me: "0 to upgrade, 9 to newly install, 0 to remove and 234 not to upgrade."
[13:22] <Rixon> apparently they can both be installed and run alongside eachother, but apache/nginx/whatever will need configuration files to point at /etc/php/5.6/... rather than /etc/php5/...
[13:33] <foobarry> my wife put some of my usb sticks thru the washing machine cycle
[13:34] <diddledan> soggy sticks!
[13:34] <SuperMatt> It's to wash all the filth out of them
[13:34] <SuperMatt> she knows where you store your gentlemens' special interest movies
[13:34] <diddledan> ;-)
[13:35] <foobarry> metal detecting?
[13:35] <foobarry> airfix models?
[13:35] <SuperMatt> I thought they were documentaries on the history of manhole covers
[13:36] <foobarry> thats jez corbyn
[13:38] <SuperMatt> You're right!
[14:29] <diddledan> this is beautiful https://youtu.be/HD2zrF3I_II
[15:28] <diddledan> I wonder if my nephew will ask me what the last century was like when he's a little older
[15:28] <diddledan> I'll have to tell him it was all fuzzy because VHS had poor bandwidth
[15:29] <diddledan> and then he'll ask my dad (his grandad) what it was like before that and he'll get the answer that it was black and white
[15:29] <diddledan> I really need to build that pikea gaming table for him soon
[15:57] <foobarry> my son seems confused about which generations had electricity
[15:59] <foobarry> i think he's pretty much got it: bible times: no things except animals and diseases, victorian times: some things and diseases, modern times: all the things, different diseases
[15:59] <daftykins> more intelligent diseases!
[15:59] <daftykins> and misuse of medical advances
[16:00]  * diddledan probes daftykins
[16:01] <daftykins> oh and aliens!
[16:03] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZV8CcnQU
[16:04] <foobarry> shame lubotu doesn't tell us the youtube titles like other chans
[16:05] <daftykins> would definitely reduce the need to click ;)
[16:05] <diddledan> but that ruins the fun of me posting random links!
[16:48] <Azelphur> Weird statement of the day: I just bought a GTX 1080 for my home server.
[16:51] <diddledan> wat
[16:51] <diddledan> o_O
[16:51] <Azelphur> diddledan: it's headless too
[16:51] <diddledan> you're weird :-D
[16:52] <diddledan> hehe
[16:52] <Azelphur> lol
[16:52] <Azelphur> diddledan: got a VM on there, passing the GPU through, I call it my Game Client Server \o/
[16:52] <diddledan> aha
[16:52] <diddledan> so it kinda is and isn't headless at the same time
[16:53] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:53] <diddledan> it's an ambiguous server
[16:53] <Azelphur> indeed, and it's a server that runs clients.
[16:53] <diddledan> we need to make that an industry term now
[16:53] <Azelphur> haha
[16:54] <diddledan> and we need a test to find out how ambiguous your server is and whether that is ambiguous enough to classify as an ambiguous server
[16:54] <diddledan> our applications are web-scale ambiguous
[16:55] <diddledan> we also have a fleet of containers running micro-ambiguous services
[16:58] <Azelphur> haha
[16:59] <diddledan> we also have a big-ambiguity data lake.
[17:00] <diddledan> we're all-in on the ambiguous paradigm that we no-longer run normal systems
[17:01] <diddledan> our cost savings are 80% compared to normal cloud computing
[17:02] <diddledan> we have 110% velocity and our KPIs and ROI are improving YoY
[17:02] <diddledan> anyone got to buzzword bingo yet?
[17:03] <diddledan> our ambiguous synergies are streamlined and unified
[17:03] <Azelphur> haha
[17:03] <Azelphur> gotta love buzzword bingo :)
[17:03] <diddledan> :-)
[17:04] <diddledan> especially when it involves shots
[17:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:06] <Azelphur> finally got to play elite dangerous today though, loving it
[17:06] <Azelphur> can't wait to go tri screen elite dangerous
[17:08] <diddledan> get an oculous
[17:08] <diddledan> oculus
[17:16] <Azelphur> diddledan: been tempted for a while, already spent quite a bit recently
[17:16] <Azelphur> although Bitcoin is definitely making me a happy panda financially atm
[17:17] <diddledan> did your 30 orders for the scan bargain get cancelled? my single one did but I'm unsure whether that was 'cos my bank account ran out of monies :-p
[17:17] <Azelphur> yea they all got cancelled
[17:17] <diddledan> aah
[17:17] <diddledan> ok
[17:17] <diddledan> shame :-(
[17:18] <diddledan> but I understand their reasons
[17:18] <Azelphur> indeed, I bought them just figuring it was a punt
[17:18] <diddledan> yup
[18:11] <daftykins> Azelphur: i hope you're not like my spending mates, living from pay packet to pay packet :P
[18:11] <daftykins> 'cause that's one nuts purchase right there!
[18:11] <Azelphur> daftykins: nah, I work as a programmer so get paid reasonably w ell
[18:11] <Azelphur> but also, have you seen the Bitcoin market recently? loving it :)
[18:11] <daftykins> nope still glad to stay away from that experiment
[18:12] <Azelphur> heh, I'm glad I got in
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> store your bitcoin on an 8" floppy for maximum security :-P
[18:13] <daftykins> doesn't really matter what some mates are paid though, it's the way they spend it that's pretty cringeworthy :)
[18:13] <Azelphur> haha
[18:14] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm a weirdo, I pretty much only by tech
[18:14] <daftykins> same
[18:14] <daftykins> although now i'm gonna be paying out for home maintenance since this shower of mine has been leaking through the floor below :/
[18:14] <daftykins> fun and games
[18:15] <Azelphur> I have a house full of kit, my 2 bed apartment has a 58" 4k TV, 4 x 40" 4k monitors, along with another 3 19" monitors, I have a PC, my home server, my 3 laptops, built a PC for my gf too, etc
[18:15] <Azelphur> Yet, I sit here wearing a shirt that I've had for 10+ years with missing buttons and odd socks.
[18:15] <Azelphur> but, that's me lol
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> that's easy to sort, go out and buy a dozen pairs of socks of one colour and a dozen pairs of another.  then you have socks for years with next to no hunting for socks
[18:17] <Azelphur> yea, I have been tempted to just get rid of all my socks and start again with only one set of socks.
[18:17] <daftykins> yeah but you buy all those super cheap deals of no-name brand crap right? ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> so it could all pop tomorrow and you'd have no recourse? :>
[18:18] <Azelphur> that's true too technology wise
[18:18] <Azelphur> TV is a hisense, monitors are AMH korean imports
[18:18] <daftykins> might want to check the ol' insurance coverage
[18:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: but, that said, I made reasonable estimations when I make purchases
[18:18] <Azelphur> for example, with the Korean monitors, I looked up the name brand, UK versions
[18:19] <Azelphur> and worked out I could have one fail, replace it out of pocket, and have it still be cheaper
[18:20] <daftykins> think that'd depend on the specs for me
[18:20] <daftykins> fair bit more than just pixel count to a 4K display
[18:21] <Azelphur> daftykins: they are really nice LG Panels, 4:4:4 chroma, have a wide array of inputs, even supports 4 inputs simultaniously with picture in picture
[18:21] <Azelphur> iirc they are LG panels anyway, the only downside to them is they have a little b it of shadowing at the bottom of the display
[18:21] <Azelphur> and one of my 4 developed an entire row of dead pixels :<
[18:22] <daftykins> heh
[18:22] <daftykins> yeah wouldn't be worth the hassle of dealing with a return on that sort of thing
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> that call to a korean support centre must have been fun... :-P
[18:23] <Azelphur> I did actually try and return it, eBay seller just ignored me lol
[18:23] <Azelphur> but yea, wasn't expecting to be able to return it
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> 'press 2 to have godzilla attack the supplier'
[18:43] <awilkins> Maximum security for bitcoin is print an encrypted copy of your wallet key on paper then put it in a safety deposit box
[18:43] <awilkins> Then delete the electronic copies
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> think of the possabilities... it could display the score of a match you've recorded to watch later... :-P http://www.computerworld.com/article/3153953/security/ransomware-arrives-on-smart-tvs.html
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> drop the audio when the closed captions revel the name of the murderer...
[21:19] <daftykins> i saw that one
[21:19] <daftykins> the guy employed the new "moan at a company via twitter" to get a favourable response technique
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> helps make the company stop ignoring you