[03:39] Maaz: tell Kilos Good morning [03:39] superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:36] morning superfly and everyone else [05:36] oh and inetpro [05:36] hehe [05:39] goeie more suid afrika [05:47] hi nlsthzn ill be off a while ian needs to use my lappy [05:47] k, see later :) [06:02] morning Kilos inetpro and all others [06:02] s/inetpro/nlsthzn/ [06:02] :D [06:03] :p [06:05] Night Kilos, nlsthzn, chesedo. Time for me to go to sleep. [06:06] night superfly [06:09] mornings [06:49] Morning [06:55] G'morning Kilos you well this morning? [06:56] hi chesedo inetpro et al [06:57] hi Langjan chesedo [06:57] and theblazehen [06:57] im ok ty Langjan and you? [06:57] hi thatgraemeguy ` [06:58] sleep tight superfly [06:58] fine thks Kilos just need some help if youre up to it this morn [06:58] of course [06:59] explain the prob, ill be here in 2 mins [07:00] thks running on lappie, I realised from your comments I need to reinstall win 7 on my computer so I disconnectd the ssd with ubuntu, then could not boot from win 7 DVD, no grub [07:00] then I booted from ubuntu dvd [07:01] * Kilos slurps coffee [07:02] now, if possible, I would like to transfer some iso files from the win 7 to my external before reinstalling win 7 [07:02] then you should be able to just drag drop them [07:02] it says permission denied [07:03] ok [07:03] what does the ubuntu see it as [07:03] /media [07:03] or sda [07:03] ok its copying them to the ubuntu desktop === MaNL is now known as MaNI [07:03] yay [07:04] i was scared of you needing to do chown but it would have given you all the permissions [07:04] but thats the live dvd will it work to my external drive from there? [07:04] yes it should see the external [07:05] ok doing thhat now [07:05] is the external the one with permission probs or the drive [07:05] theres a few to do [07:05] no the drive with win 7 [07:05] np im here all day [07:05] oh that you coulda chowned [07:06] thks [07:07] files wont copy from dvd to external [07:08] ok so [07:08] permission denied [07:08] you see a folder on the external that you want to copy to [07:09] if not make one [07:09] then try copy to that [07:09] looks like permission is being denied to external [07:09] it wont open a folder [07:09] if it still gives permissions probs [07:09] then [07:11] installing samba ...? right? [07:11] sudo chown -R /dev/ext [07:11] read here [07:11] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/chown.1.html [07:11] ok [07:11] i cant member is you need to sudo chown -R jan:jan (path to folders [07:12] i think i had to use miles:miles in there [07:12] you can even chown the whole external [07:15] where do I put "jan" - after the R or after the dev/ext ? [07:15] what does it see the external as [07:16] I think you can pass a user option to mount [07:16] Would be the right way to solve it I think [07:16] hi theblazehen thks for helping [07:16] ty theblazehen [07:17] i always chown my externals [07:17] Samsung_t3 [07:18] the command i use is sudo chown -R miles:miles /media/devive name [07:18] i name all my sticks and externals [07:18] Langjan can you pastebin the output of `mount` ? [07:18] ill let theblazehen take over [07:18] he cleverer [07:19] theblazehen, its on a different machine running on ubuntu dvd, let me try connect to irc there? [07:20] No need for all that then [07:20] ok [07:21] Run `mount -o remount,uid=$(whoami) /media/whateverItIs` [07:21] ok [07:25] It says mount point /media/Samsung_t3 does not exist [07:26] And it is there? ls /media [07:26] cdrom ubuntu [07:27] i always struggled with doing stuff from booted dvd [07:27] Ok. ls /dev/sd* [07:28] output is /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 [07:29] mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o uid=$(id -u) [07:30] sudo? [07:30] yes [07:32] ok it just repromps is that right? [07:32] Yeah [07:32] Now open file manager, and go to /mnt [07:32] It should work for you [07:33] where do I find /mnt ? [07:33] Go to file system option [07:34] no file system option [07:34] Is there an option for / or something? [07:35] not that I can see [07:35] Kilos- do you know how to get there? [07:36] get where [07:36] To /mnt in file manager [07:36] nope he uses unity [07:36] hehe [07:36] Ah [07:37] just chown the whole external man its only storage isnt it? [07:37] one command and game over [07:37] how can there be a /dev/sda and b [07:37] yes only storage [07:38] there only one drive connected isnt there [07:38] and i would chown it from your drive directly not from dvd [07:38] go theblazehen [07:39] i use big hammers and often break things [07:39] It should be as right user, just not sure how to get to /mnt in unity file manager [07:39] my drive is disconnected [07:40] Ah [07:46] when booting from dvd jan wont be seen as the right user\ [07:46] i think [07:48] guys this is not serious, I can download the iso files again if and when I need them [07:49] thats all there is on the win 7 installation [07:49] i would connect your drive in there again [07:50] so all I need to do is to get into that drive to reinstall win 7 via this motherboard [07:50] boot from it then chown /dev/sdb1 [07:50] then copy all stuff to your drive then format sdb [07:51] then disconnect again and reinstall win 7? [07:51] yes [07:51] thats how i would do it [07:52] and theblazehen agrees? [07:53] Langjan see if you can do sudo nautilus [07:53] ok [07:54] im busy repairing a van der merwe bed here at the same time [07:54] hehe [07:55] it opened file mgr but says polease ask system admin to enable user sharing [07:55] looks so good from outside, but, ill post picks of how it was actuaslly made [07:55] sjoe [07:57] theblazehen, and error 255 [07:57] Hmm. Dunno, sorry [07:57] and "another desktop manager in use" [07:58] thks theblazehen so let me follow Kilos- suggestion? [07:58] Langjan yeah [07:59] ok thks for the help, appreciated [07:59] Sure [08:03] at times one needs to use large hammers [08:12] Kilos-, can I not format that drive from the live dvd? [08:21] good morning [08:21] Morning :) [08:25] yes you can Langjan [08:25] hi magespawn [08:25] morning Kilos- [08:25] open disk utility or gparted and format it [08:26] hi calhax [08:26] Thks, already past that ans installing... === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [08:26] lost your tail eh mate? [08:26] Langjan, linux install party? [08:26] sorry was busy helping ian get ready to go work [08:27] hi calhax yes sort of [08:28] haha! awesome! I was doing the same thing yesterday, now just configuring [08:29] Kilos, I think it will be better to use ubuntu on second drive as well for storage [08:30] I will push win 7 into a little corner where it belongs in case I need it some time [08:33] lol [08:49] Better idea, I have banned Microsoft from this drive - its now gonna be exclusively Linux [08:49] hee hee hee [08:49] well done [08:50] ms is only good for using up damaged sectors of a drive that only linux sees [08:50] and for gaming [08:51] Gaming corrupts the brain - whats left of it in Windows users' heads [08:53] Sorry if I treaded on some toes here... [08:53] lol [09:02] Kilos, I have cd's and dvd's of just about all those iso files so was not worth the trouble to save them [09:02] ah [09:06] My system will feel much more comfy without a win install in the background [09:08] yes [09:11] I have a new Linux convert [09:37] 'Bye for now guys, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS install is perfect [09:39] toods Langjan [09:39] be well [09:39] Morning all [09:40] hi Squirm [17:40] Hello Kilos- [17:40] hi Langjan [17:40] I see you got your tail back... [17:41] keeping ok? [17:41] Kilos [17:41] where [17:41] hello [17:41] ai! [17:41] mustve been my imagination === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [17:41] yip ok ty [17:41] and you? [17:42] I'm scared to reboot [17:42] why [17:43] reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin then sudo update grub the reboot will be fine im sure [17:43] there was no grub menu so I did boot-repair but when it asked if I want to purge grub I said no but am not sure where I am - if I run update-grub it fails [17:43] do the reinstalls [17:44] oh [17:44] did you do that then swop drives? [17:44] boot-repair dont like that [17:44] no I put my drive back after installing ubuntu on the second drive [17:45] then then I did boot- repair [17:45] then you need to start it where you installed it from then unplug the one thats working then boot-repair fixes the other one [17:46] you put your drive back [17:46] so booting from new install still [17:46] and it cant see old drive? [17:46] no I set bios to boot from main drive [17:47] and it sees the other drive fine [17:47] so whats the prob [17:48] reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin [17:48] just that I have no grub menu, not serious I suppose [17:48] then sudo update-grub [17:48] then see if you have a menu [17:48] Output is command not found [17:49] use aptitude [17:49] huh [17:49] output of what [17:49] of sudo update-grub [17:49] did you reinstall [17:49] those 2 packages [17:50] via synaptic? [17:50] then grub must be there [17:50] use aptitude [17:50] sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin [17:50] sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc? [17:51] yes and the pc-bin ones [17:51] keep up old man [17:51] i told you 3 times now [17:51] * Kilos hides [17:51] lemme check why dogs barking [17:51] sudo: aptitude: command not found [17:52] sudo apt install aptitude [17:53] Be careful [17:54] grub-pc is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled [17:54] grub-pc-bin is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled. [17:54] then [17:55] sudo aptitude install grub-pc grub-pc-bin [17:55] you told boot-repair to put grub somewhere else [17:56] Dommie [17:57] always try install on the pc where the drive will live as well [17:57] otherwise it misses setting up the correct hardware [17:58] Now theres a "configuring grub pc with a long message and at the bottom but does not react [17:58] then you have graphics and sound probs [17:58] Well thats what I did [17:58] what doesnt react [17:58] ai! [17:58] the message in the terminal [17:58] all i taught you you still know nothing [17:58] ai ai ai ai ai [17:59] ok [17:59] it doesnt react to enter [17:59] ? [17:59] no [17:59] is there a little cursor line under that ok line [18:00] a flashing - [18:00] nothing [18:00] ctrl+c [18:00] nothing [18:00] then run sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin [18:01] ok [18:01] open another terminal [18:01] must I kill terminal? [18:01] no [18:01] make a second one [18:01] i sometimes have three or even 4 running same time [18:01] ok did not know thats possible, done [18:02] now do the reinstall of grub stuff again [18:02] and look for error messages [18:02] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [18:03] ai! [18:03] is synaptic open? [18:03] no is it not the other terminal? [18:03] yes [18:04] its hung on something [18:04] and i dunno if just killing it will make a diffs [18:04] but you can try [18:06] W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved! [18:06] ai! [18:06] So I suppose that process was still running - is still running [18:07] yes but its battling with something boot-repair left behind [18:07] what you can do is take a chance and reboot [18:07] and [18:08] then if it wont boot boot from your install media and run boot-repair from there [18:08] just make sure it puts grub on sda1 then [18:08] or sda [18:08] i forget [18:08] ok will try and report back later [18:08] ty [18:08] its sdb1 [18:08] good luck [18:09] whats on sda1 [18:09] nee man [18:09] remove sda [18:09] let me check [18:10] sda1 is the new ubuntu installation on the second drive [18:10] which one did you boot from [18:10] I'm on sdb1 now [18:10] my ssd [18:10] did it boot from there [18:11] or did you choose it in grub menu [18:11] yes after I reset bios [18:11] no grub menu [18:11] so bios is telling it to boot from sdb [18:11] yes [18:11] unplug sda then and try reboot this one [18:12] you have this drives grub on sda [18:12] ok that makes sense [18:12] is taht the only way out? Or live with it [18:13] have only one drive in at a time [18:13] and [18:13] Dont need to boot from there, just storage [18:13] install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin on each one [18:14] and plug your ssd in as sda [18:14] does that mean plug it in and boot it first [18:15] why you want a bootable storage drive [18:16] Not necessary, thats why I said just leave it be, provided it will reboot [18:16] is the ssd the one with grub probs [18:17] yes [18:17] ai! [18:17] remove the other one [18:17] not reallly probs, it boots fine, just does not show grub menu [18:17] put ssd in sda sata socket [18:17] then boot [18:17] oh ok [18:17] and use boot-repair from dvd if it wont [18:18] ok thanks [18:18] it is a prob because [18:18] it will bug you like the kde boot splash [18:18] ill be here [18:18] feel free to call [18:20] thks pal [18:20] lekker aand [18:20] will let you know [18:21] But [18:21] ill be here [18:21] you should be gone for hours [18:21] do I need an operating system on hdd to use it for storage? [18:21] you welcome any time [18:21] no [18:21] but it can be there [18:22] makes no diffs just have less storage space [18:22] ? [18:22] well if the os is there you cant use that area for storage [18:22] you mean less space if it has an OS [18:22] ok [18:23] so format it to what? [18:23] ext4 [18:23] then no win pc can see it [18:23] experiment with a stick [18:24] will that create sda on ssd? [18:24] format to ext4 , put files on then go plug it into a win pc [18:24] if only sda is plugged in it cant be anywhere else [18:24] dont do installs and stuff with 2 drives in [18:25] and do install on the pc where the drive will live [18:25] ok but hdd is sda now, if I format it will the system pick up ssd as sda? [18:25] take it out and fix ssd first [18:26] then worry about the hdd [18:26] maybe even reinstall 16.04 on ssd from scratch [18:26] with hdd lying far away [18:26] fix ssd via install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin? [18:27] try that first yes [18:27] and boot-repair from disc [18:27] if no good install fresh from dvd [18:27] oh [18:27] there is another thing [18:27] ok thks [18:27] hmm... [18:27] wait [18:28] you can make a bootable iso of your working hdd if you like [18:28] then use that to install on ssd [18:28] app is called systemback [18:28] lekker backup tool [18:29] why would I want to backup hdd with clean OS on it? [18:29] i think its in the repos [18:29] thats if your ssd repair dont work [18:29] just another option [18:30] then your ssd will boot as if you are in the hdd [18:30] everything the same [18:30] even remember passwords iirc [18:30] It makes more sense to use systemback on ssd [18:31] ssd is broken [18:31] all my apps on there [18:31] ok try that then but [18:31] you mean because of grub menu? [18:31] you might not be able to install [18:31] because dpkg stuck [18:32] try sytemback [18:32] i dont think you will be able to install it [18:33] lets try this [18:33] Terminal is running again, target 'grub-pc-bin' is not a directory [18:33] sud dpkg --configure -a [18:33] see it was battling to find something [18:34] dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process [18:34] eish [18:34] try reboot [18:34] okj lets see [18:34] then do what we been talking about [18:35] boot-repair from dvd [18:35] ok probably chat again tomorrow [18:35] i use sticks [18:35] slaap lekker [18:35]