[03:39] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos Good morning
[03:39] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:36] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[05:36] <Kilos> oh and inetpro 
[05:36] <Kilos> hehe
[05:39] <nlsthzn> goeie more suid afrika
[05:47] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn ill be off a while ian needs to use my lappy
[05:47] <nlsthzn> k, see later :)
[06:02] <chesedo> morning Kilos inetpro and all others
[06:02] <chesedo> s/inetpro/nlsthzn/
[06:02] <chesedo> :D
[06:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[06:05] <superfly> Night Kilos, nlsthzn, chesedo. Time for me to go to sleep. 
[06:06] <chesedo> night superfly
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:49] <theblazehen> Morning
[06:55] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos you well this morning?
[06:56] <Langjan> hi chesedo inetpro et al
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Langjan chesedo 
[06:57] <Kilos> and theblazehen 
[06:57] <Kilos> im ok ty Langjan and you?
[06:57] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy `
[06:58] <Kilos> sleep tight superfly 
[06:58] <Langjan> fine thks Kilos just need some help if youre up to it this morn
[06:58] <Kilos> of course
[06:59] <Kilos> explain the prob, ill be here in 2 mins
[07:00] <Langjan> thks running on lappie, I realised from your comments I need to reinstall win 7 on my computer so I disconnectd the ssd with ubuntu, then could not boot from win 7 DVD, no grub 
[07:00] <Langjan> then I booted from ubuntu dvd
[07:01]  * Kilos slurps coffee
[07:02] <Langjan> now, if possible, I would like to transfer some iso files from the win 7 to my external before reinstalling win 7
[07:02] <Kilos> then you should be able to just drag drop them 
[07:02] <Langjan> it says permission denied
[07:03] <Kilos> ok
[07:03] <Kilos> what does the ubuntu see it as
[07:03] <Kilos>   /media
[07:03] <Kilos> or sda
[07:03] <Langjan> ok its copying them to the ubuntu desktop
[07:03] <Kilos> yay
[07:04] <Kilos> i was scared of you needing to do chown but it would have given you all the permissions
[07:04] <Langjan> but thats the live dvd will it work to my external drive from there?
[07:04] <Kilos> yes it should see the external
[07:05] <Langjan> ok doing thhat now
[07:05] <Kilos> is the external the one with permission probs or the drive
[07:05] <Langjan> theres a few to do
[07:05] <Langjan> no the drive with win 7
[07:05] <Kilos> np im here all day
[07:05] <Kilos> oh that you coulda chowned
[07:06] <Langjan> thks
[07:07] <Langjan> files wont copy from dvd to external
[07:08] <Kilos> ok so
[07:08] <Langjan> permission denied
[07:08] <Kilos> you see a folder on the external that you want to copy to
[07:09] <Kilos> if not make one
[07:09] <Kilos> then try copy to that
[07:09] <Langjan> looks like permission is being denied to external
[07:09] <Langjan> it wont open a folder
[07:09] <Kilos> if it still gives permissions probs
[07:09] <Kilos> then
[07:11] <Langjan> installing samba   ...? right?
[07:11] <Kilos> sudo chown -R /dev/ext
[07:11] <Kilos> read here
[07:11] <Kilos> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/chown.1.html
[07:11] <Langjan> ok
[07:11] <Kilos> i cant member is you need to sudo chown -R jan:jan (path to folders
[07:12] <Kilos> i think i had to use miles:miles in there
[07:12] <Kilos> you can even chown the whole external
[07:15] <Langjan> where do I put "jan" - after the R or after the dev/ext ?
[07:15] <Kilos> what does it see the external as
[07:16] <theblazehen> I think you can pass a user option to mount
[07:16] <theblazehen> Would be the right way to solve it I think
[07:16] <Langjan> hi theblazehen thks for helping
[07:16] <Kilos> ty theblazehen 
[07:17] <Kilos> i always chown my externals
[07:17] <Langjan> Samsung_t3
[07:18] <Kilos> the command i use is sudo chown -R miles:miles /media/devive name
[07:18] <Kilos> i name all my sticks and externals
[07:18] <theblazehen> Langjan can you pastebin the output of `mount` ?
[07:18] <Kilos> ill let theblazehen take over
[07:18] <Kilos> he cleverer
[07:19] <Langjan> theblazehen, its on a different machine running on ubuntu dvd, let me try connect to irc there?
[07:20] <theblazehen> No need for all that then
[07:20] <Langjan> ok
[07:21] <theblazehen> Run `mount -o remount,uid=$(whoami) /media/whateverItIs`
[07:21] <Langjan> ok
[07:25] <Langjan> It says mount point /media/Samsung_t3 does not exist 
[07:26] <theblazehen> And it is there? ls /media
[07:26] <Langjan> cdrom ubuntu
[07:27] <Kilos> i always struggled with doing stuff from booted dvd
[07:27] <theblazehen> Ok. ls /dev/sd*
[07:28] <Langjan> output is /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 
[07:29] <theblazehen> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o uid=$(id -u)
[07:30] <Langjan> sudo?
[07:30] <theblazehen> yes
[07:32] <Langjan> ok it just repromps is that right?
[07:32] <theblazehen> Yeah
[07:32] <theblazehen> Now open file manager, and go to /mnt
[07:32] <theblazehen> It should work for you
[07:33] <Langjan> where do I find /mnt ?
[07:33] <theblazehen> Go to file system option
[07:34] <Langjan> no file system option 
[07:34] <theblazehen> Is there an option for / or something?
[07:35] <Langjan> not that I can see
[07:35] <theblazehen> Kilos- do you know how to get there?
[07:36] <Kilos-> get where
[07:36] <theblazehen> To /mnt in file manager
[07:36] <Kilos-> nope he uses unity
[07:36] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:36] <theblazehen> Ah
[07:37] <Kilos-> just chown the whole external man its only storage isnt it?
[07:37] <Kilos-> one command and game over
[07:37] <Kilos-> how can there be a /dev/sda and b
[07:37] <Langjan> yes only storage
[07:38] <Kilos-> there only one drive connected isnt there
[07:38] <Kilos-> and i would chown it from your drive directly not from dvd
[07:38] <Kilos-> go theblazehen 
[07:39] <Kilos-> i use big hammers and often break things
[07:39] <theblazehen> It should be as right user, just not sure how to get to /mnt in unity file manager
[07:39] <Langjan> my drive is disconnected
[07:40] <theblazehen> Ah
[07:46] <Kilos-> when booting from dvd jan wont be seen as the right user\
[07:46] <Kilos-> i think
[07:48] <Langjan> guys this is not serious, I can download the iso files again if and when I need them
[07:49] <Langjan> thats all there is on the win 7 installation
[07:49] <Kilos-> i would connect your drive in there again
[07:50] <Langjan> so all I need to do is to get into that drive to reinstall win 7 via this motherboard
[07:50] <Kilos-> boot from it then chown /dev/sdb1
[07:50] <Kilos-> then copy all stuff to your drive then format sdb
[07:51] <Langjan> then disconnect again and reinstall win 7?
[07:51] <Kilos-> yes
[07:51] <Kilos-> thats how i would do it
[07:52] <Langjan> and theblazehen agrees?
[07:53] <theblazehen> Langjan see if you can do sudo nautilus
[07:53] <Langjan> ok
[07:54] <Kilos-> im busy repairing a van der merwe bed here at the same time
[07:54] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:55] <Langjan> it opened file mgr but says polease ask system admin to enable user sharing
[07:55] <Kilos-> looks so good from outside, but, ill post picks of how it was actuaslly made
[07:55] <Kilos-> sjoe
[07:57] <Langjan> theblazehen,  and error 255
[07:57] <theblazehen> Hmm. Dunno, sorry
[07:57] <Langjan> and "another desktop manager in use"
[07:58] <Langjan> thks theblazehen so let me follow Kilos- suggestion?
[07:58] <theblazehen> Langjan yeah
[07:59] <Langjan> ok thks for the help, appreciated
[07:59] <theblazehen> Sure
[08:03] <Kilos-> at times one needs to use large hammers
[08:12] <Langjan> Kilos-, can I not format that drive from the live dvd?
[08:21] <magespawn> good morning
[08:21] <calhax> Morning :)
[08:25] <Kilos-> yes you can Langjan 
[08:25] <Kilos-> hi magespawn 
[08:25] <calhax> morning Kilos- 
[08:25] <Kilos-> open disk utility or gparted and format it
[08:26] <Kilos-> hi calhax 
[08:26] <Langjan> Thks, already past that ans installing...
[08:26] <Langjan> lost your tail eh mate?
[08:26] <calhax> Langjan, linux install party? 
[08:26] <Kilos> sorry was busy helping ian get ready to go work
[08:27] <Langjan> hi calhax yes sort of
[08:28] <calhax> haha! awesome! I was doing the same thing yesterday, now just configuring 
[08:29] <Langjan> Kilos, I think it will be better to use ubuntu on second drive as well for storage
[08:30] <Langjan> I will push win 7 into a little corner where it belongs in case I need it some time  
[08:33] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <Langjan> Better idea, I have banned Microsoft from this drive - its now gonna be exclusively Linux
[08:49] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[08:49] <Kilos> well done
[08:50] <Kilos> ms is only good for using up damaged sectors of a drive that only linux sees
[08:50] <Kilos> and for gaming
[08:51] <Langjan> Gaming corrupts the brain - whats left of it in Windows users' heads
[08:53] <Langjan> Sorry if I treaded on some toes here...
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[09:02] <Langjan> Kilos, I  have cd's and dvd's of just about all those iso files so was not worth the trouble to save them  
[09:02] <Kilos> ah
[09:06] <Langjan> My system will feel much more comfy without a win install in the background 
[09:08] <Kilos> yes
[09:11] <Langjan> I have a new Linux convert
[09:37] <Langjan> 'Bye for now guys, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS install is perfect
[09:39] <Kilos> toods Langjan 
[09:39] <Kilos> be well
[09:39] <Squirm> Morning all
[09:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[17:40] <Langjan> Hello Kilos- 
[17:40] <Kilos-> hi Langjan 
[17:40] <Langjan> I see you got your tail back...
[17:41] <Langjan> keeping ok?
[17:41] <Kilos-> Kilos
[17:41] <Kilos-> where
[17:41] <Kilos-> hello
[17:41] <Kilos-> ai!
[17:41] <Langjan> mustve been my imagination
[17:41] <Kilos> yip ok ty
[17:41] <Kilos> and you?
[17:42] <Langjan> I'm scared to reboot
[17:42] <Kilos> why
[17:43] <Kilos> reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin then sudo update grub the reboot will be fine im sure
[17:43] <Langjan> there was no grub menu so I did boot-repair but when it asked if I want to purge grub I said no but am not sure where I am - if I run update-grub it fails   
[17:43] <Kilos> do the reinstalls
[17:44] <Kilos> oh
[17:44] <Kilos> did you do that then swop drives?
[17:44] <Kilos> boot-repair dont like that
[17:44] <Langjan> no I put my drive back after installing ubuntu on the second drive
[17:45] <Langjan> then then I did boot- repair
[17:45] <Kilos> then you need to start it where you installed it from then unplug the one thats working then boot-repair fixes the other one
[17:46] <Kilos> you put your drive back
[17:46] <Kilos> so booting from new install still
[17:46] <Kilos> and it cant see old drive?
[17:46] <Langjan> no I set bios to boot from main drive
[17:47] <Langjan> and it sees the other drive fine 
[17:47] <Kilos> so whats the prob
[17:48] <Kilos> reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
[17:48] <Langjan> just that I have no grub menu, not serious I suppose
[17:48] <Kilos> then sudo update-grub
[17:48] <Kilos> then see if you have a menu
[17:48] <Langjan> Output is command not found
[17:49] <Kilos> use aptitude
[17:49] <Kilos> huh
[17:49] <Kilos> output of what
[17:49] <Langjan> of sudo update-grub
[17:49] <Kilos> did you reinstall
[17:49] <Kilos> those 2 packages
[17:50] <Langjan> via synaptic?
[17:50] <Kilos> then grub must be there
[17:50] <Kilos> use aptitude
[17:50] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin
[17:50] <Langjan> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc? 
[17:51] <Kilos> yes and the pc-bin ones
[17:51] <Kilos> keep up old man
[17:51] <Kilos> i told you 3 times now
[17:51]  * Kilos hides
[17:51] <Kilos> lemme check why dogs barking
[17:51] <Langjan> sudo: aptitude: command not found
[17:52] <Kilos> sudo apt install aptitude
[17:53] <Langjan> Be careful
[17:54] <Langjan> grub-pc is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled
[17:54] <Langjan> grub-pc-bin is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled.
[17:54] <Kilos> then
[17:55] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install grub-pc grub-pc-bin
[17:55] <Kilos> you told boot-repair to put grub somewhere else
[17:56] <Langjan> Dommie
[17:57] <Kilos> always try install on the pc where the drive will live as well
[17:57] <Kilos> otherwise it misses setting up the correct hardware
[17:58] <Langjan> Now theres a "configuring grub pc with a long message and <ok> at the bottom but does not react  
[17:58] <Kilos> then you have graphics and sound probs
[17:58] <Langjan> Well thats what I did
[17:58] <Kilos> what doesnt react
[17:58] <Kilos> ai!
[17:58] <Langjan> the message in the terminal 
[17:58] <Kilos> all i taught you you still know nothing
[17:58] <Kilos> ai ai ai ai ai
[17:59] <Kilos> ok
[17:59] <Kilos> it doesnt react to enter
[17:59] <Kilos> ?
[17:59] <Langjan> no
[17:59] <Kilos> is there a little cursor line under that ok line
[18:00] <Kilos> a flashing -
[18:00] <Langjan> nothing
[18:00] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[18:00] <Langjan> nothing
[18:00] <Kilos> then run sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:01] <Kilos> open another terminal
[18:01] <Langjan> must I kill terminal?
[18:01] <Kilos> no
[18:01] <Kilos> make a second one
[18:01] <Kilos> i sometimes have three or even 4 running same time
[18:01] <Langjan> ok did not know thats possible, done
[18:02] <Kilos> now do the reinstall of grub stuff again
[18:02] <Kilos> and look for error messages
[18:02] <Langjan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:03] <Kilos> ai!
[18:03] <Kilos> is synaptic open?
[18:03] <Langjan> no is it not the other terminal?
[18:03] <Kilos> yes
[18:04] <Kilos> its hung on something
[18:04] <Kilos> and i dunno if just killing it will make a diffs
[18:04] <Kilos> but you can try
[18:06] <Langjan> W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages.  Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved!
[18:06] <Kilos> ai!
[18:06] <Langjan> So I suppose that process was still running - is still running
[18:07] <Kilos> yes but its battling with something boot-repair left behind
[18:07] <Kilos> what you can do is take a chance and reboot
[18:07] <Kilos> and
[18:08] <Kilos> then if it wont boot boot from your install media and run boot-repair from there
[18:08] <Kilos> just make sure it puts grub on sda1 then
[18:08] <Kilos> or sda
[18:08] <Kilos> i forget
[18:08] <Langjan> ok will try and report back later
[18:08] <Kilos> ty
[18:08] <Langjan> its sdb1
[18:08] <Kilos> good luck
[18:09] <Kilos> whats on sda1
[18:09] <Kilos> nee man
[18:09] <Kilos> remove sda
[18:09] <Langjan> let me check
[18:10] <Langjan> sda1 is the new ubuntu installation on the second drive 
[18:10] <Kilos> which one did you boot from
[18:10] <Langjan> I'm on sdb1 now
[18:10] <Langjan> my ssd
[18:10] <Kilos> did it boot from there
[18:11] <Kilos> or did you choose it in grub menu
[18:11] <Langjan> yes after I reset bios
[18:11] <Langjan> no grub menu
[18:11] <Kilos> so bios is telling it to boot from sdb
[18:11] <Langjan> yes
[18:11] <Kilos> unplug sda then and try reboot this one
[18:12] <Kilos> you have this drives grub on sda
[18:12] <Langjan> ok that makes sense
[18:12] <Langjan> is taht the only way out? Or live with it
[18:13] <Kilos> have only one drive in at a time 
[18:13] <Kilos> and
[18:13] <Langjan> Dont need to boot from there, just storage 
[18:13] <Kilos> install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin on each one
[18:14] <Kilos> and plug your ssd in as sda
[18:14] <Langjan> does that mean plug it in and boot it first 
[18:15] <Kilos> why you want a bootable storage drive
[18:16] <Langjan> Not necessary, thats why I said just leave it be, provided it will reboot
[18:16] <Kilos> is the ssd the one with grub probs
[18:17] <Langjan> yes
[18:17] <Kilos> ai!
[18:17] <Kilos> remove the other one
[18:17] <Langjan>  not reallly probs, it boots fine, just does not show grub menu
[18:17] <Kilos> put ssd in sda sata socket
[18:17] <Kilos> then boot
[18:17] <Langjan> oh ok 
[18:17] <Kilos> and use boot-repair from dvd if it wont
[18:18] <Langjan> ok thanks 
[18:18] <Kilos> it is a prob because
[18:18] <Kilos> it will bug you like the kde boot splash
[18:18] <Kilos> ill be here
[18:18] <Kilos> feel free to call
[18:20] <Langjan> thks pal
[18:20] <Langjan> lekker aand
[18:20] <Langjan> will let you know
[18:21] <Langjan> But
[18:21] <Kilos> ill be here
[18:21] <Kilos> you should be gone for hours
[18:21] <Langjan> do I need an operating system on hdd to use it for storage?
[18:21] <Kilos> you welcome any time
[18:21] <Kilos> no
[18:21] <Kilos> but it can be there
[18:22] <Kilos> makes no diffs just have less storage space
[18:22] <Langjan> ?
[18:22] <Kilos> well if the os is there you cant use that area for storage
[18:22] <Langjan> you mean less space if it has an OS 
[18:22] <Langjan> ok
[18:23] <Langjan> so format it to what?
[18:23] <Kilos> ext4
[18:23] <Kilos> then no win pc can see it
[18:23] <Kilos> experiment with a stick
[18:24] <Langjan> will that create sda on ssd?
[18:24] <Kilos> format to ext4 , put files on then go plug it into a win pc
[18:24] <Kilos> if only sda is plugged in it cant be anywhere else
[18:24] <Kilos> dont do installs and stuff with 2 drives in
[18:25] <Kilos> and do install on the pc where the drive will live
[18:25] <Langjan> ok but hdd is sda now, if I format it will the system pick up ssd as sda? 
[18:25] <Kilos> take it out and fix ssd first
[18:26] <Kilos> then worry about the hdd
[18:26] <Kilos> maybe even reinstall 16.04 on ssd from scratch
[18:26] <Kilos> with hdd lying far away
[18:26] <Langjan> fix ssd via install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin?
[18:27] <Kilos> try that first yes
[18:27] <Kilos> and boot-repair from disc
[18:27] <Kilos> if no good install fresh from dvd
[18:27] <Kilos> oh
[18:27] <Kilos> there is another thing
[18:27] <Langjan> ok thks
[18:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:27] <Kilos> wait
[18:28] <Kilos> you can make a bootable iso of your working hdd if you like
[18:28] <Kilos> then use that to install on ssd
[18:28] <Kilos> app is called systemback
[18:28] <Kilos> lekker backup tool
[18:29] <Langjan> why would I want to backup hdd with clean OS on it?
[18:29] <Kilos> i think its in the repos
[18:29] <Kilos> thats if your ssd repair dont work
[18:29] <Kilos> just another option
[18:30] <Kilos> then your ssd will boot as if you are in the hdd
[18:30] <Kilos> everything the same
[18:30] <Kilos> even remember passwords iirc
[18:30] <Langjan> It makes more sense to use systemback on ssd
[18:31] <Kilos> ssd is broken
[18:31] <Langjan> all my apps on there
[18:31] <Kilos> ok try that then but
[18:31] <Langjan> you mean because of grub menu?
[18:31] <Kilos> you might not be able to install
[18:31] <Kilos> because dpkg stuck
[18:32] <Kilos> try sytemback
[18:32] <Kilos> i dont think you will be able to install it
[18:33] <Kilos> lets try this
[18:33] <Langjan> Terminal is running again, target 'grub-pc-bin' is not a directory
[18:33] <Kilos> sud dpkg --configure -a
[18:33] <Kilos> see it was battling to find something
[18:34] <Langjan> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[18:34] <Kilos> eish
[18:34] <Kilos> try reboot
[18:34] <Langjan> okj lets see
[18:34] <Kilos> then do what we been talking about
[18:35] <Kilos> boot-repair from dvd
[18:35] <Langjan> ok probably chat again tomorrow 
[18:35] <Kilos> i use sticks
[18:35] <Langjan> slaap lekker
[18:35] <Kilos> faster than dvd
[18:35] <Kilos> jy ook dankie my vriend
[18:35] <Kilos> voorspoed
[18:36] <Langjan> Waiting for sticks
[18:36] <Langjan> slaap lekker
[18:37] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  booting fine, no prob
[18:37] <Kilos> yoohoo
[18:38] <Kilos> now do reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
[18:38] <Kilos> use synaptic
[18:38] <Langjan> ok thks en slaap lekker, gonna watch voetspore now in Madagaskar
[18:38] <Langjan> will do
[18:38] <Kilos> lol ok lekker slaap
[18:38] <Langjan> mooi loop my vriend
[18:38] <Kilos> dankie
[18:46] <smile> Kilos: :DD
[19:23] <inetpro> goeiemore
[19:42] <Kilos> hi smile inetpro 
[19:54] <superfly> Middag oom Kilos 
[19:54] <Kilos> hi there superfly 
[19:54] <Kilos> all good?
[20:04] <smile> bye :)
[20:05] <Kilos> cheers smile
[20:05] <Kilos> slaap well
[20:24] <superfly> All good