[01:58] <duflu> Hmm some things that used to have noticeable delays are now very fast in zesty (live installer comes to mind). Does kernel 4.9 improve IO scheduling or something like that?
[02:01] <duflu> Whatever it is... something that used to block a lot in the live session doesn't any more
[03:37] <RAOF> duflu: IIRC they've merged the IO backpressure fixes?
[03:37] <RAOF> duflu: Also: is canonical IRC down?
[03:37] <duflu> RAOF: It went down very briefly but is not down
[03:38] <duflu> You're the only one who dropped out permanently
[05:00]  * RAOF assumes that his IRC bouncer will, at some point, work out where irc.canonical.com is again.
[06:11] <happyaron> anyone knows when did opencc get demoted to universe?
[06:12] <happyaron> launchpad shows it's in universe since xenial, but if so ibus/fcitx won't build... (and now they don't build suddenly, even there are binaries built last month
[08:14] <happyaron> hey seb128 didrocks
[08:17] <didrocks> hey happyaron
[08:45] <happyaron> seb128: hey, could you have a look at this update? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/1:4.2.9.1-4ubuntu1
[08:45] <seb128> it fails to build
[08:45] <happyaron> previous SRU was fine, but it show libopencc-dev can't be installed this time
[08:46] <happyaron> built successfully in this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/1:4.2.9.1-4
[08:47] <seb128> let me have a look
[08:50] <seb128> shrug
[08:51] <seb128> happyaron, your opencc SRU is buggy, unsure how it got validated :/
[08:51] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/295342472/opencc_1.0.4-1_1.0.4-1ubuntu0.16.10.1.diff.gz
[08:51] <seb128> +Breaks: libopencc-dev (<< 1.0.4-3)
[08:51] <seb128> that leads to
[08:51] <seb128>  libopencc2-data : Breaks: libopencc-dev (< 1.0.4-3) but 1.0.4-1ubuntu0.16.10.1 is to be installed
[08:51] <seb128> -> libopencc-dev can't be installed
[08:52] <seb128> happyaron, you need to fix opencc B/R to be 1.0.4-1ubuntu0.16.10.1 and not -3
[08:52] <happyaron> :-/
[08:52] <happyaron> got it...
[09:02] <willcooke> goooooooooooooood morning all.  Happy new year!
[09:02] <Laney> morning
[09:04] <didrocks> good morning willcooke, happy new year! Hey Laney
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:04] <willcooke> oh, I think I'm supposed to be on holiday still
[09:04] <willcooke> meh
[09:04] <willcooke> might as well get a head start on Monday
[09:05] <seb128> willcooke, happy new year! weren't you supposed to be off for the week?
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks hey seb128 hey willcooke
[09:05] <seb128> lol
[09:05] <Laney> happy friday
[09:05] <willcooke> seb128, lol
[09:05] <willcooke> :)
[09:05] <seb128> good, I was concerned it was monday and that I missed the w.e somehow
[09:05] <seb128> :-)
[09:05] <willcooke> ha!
[09:05] <willcooke> That would be a worrying thing
[09:05] <seb128> indeed
[09:05] <willcooke> urgh, 90 unread emails in my main bpx
[09:06] <willcooke> box
[09:06] <seb128> had good holidays?
[09:06] <seb128> that's a comfortable stack to keep you busy today :-)
[09:06] <willcooke> I was nice to be off for so long!
[09:06] <willcooke> We all got sick about a week ago, so I'm not really feeling very refreshed right now
[09:07] <willcooke> maybe a couple more days off :)
[09:33] <willcooke> seb128, I got an upgrade notification today :)
[09:33] <seb128> but not update-manager auto-opening right?
[09:36] <willcooke> sorry, it *did* open
[09:37] <willcooke> it opened the list of all the goodies I needed to install
[09:37] <willcooke> s/install/upgrade
[09:39] <happyaron> hey Laney willcooke
[09:39] <willcooke> hey happyaron!
[09:39] <seb128> willcooke, nice :-)
[09:48] <Laney> hey happyaron, how are you?
[09:48] <Laney> did you have any time off?
[09:48] <happyaron> unfortunately nope, plan to do that soon, :)
[09:50] <Laney> new year soon!
[09:50] <willcooke> Not long 'til Spring Festival right?
[09:50]  * willcooke plans to go in to London and see the festivities 
[09:51] <happyaron> meh, Spring festival is 28th Jan this year
[09:51] <Laney> that's the day after my birthday
[09:51] <Laney> you can also celebrate that
[09:52] <happyaron> \o/
[09:52] <willcooke> I can see it now... Laneytown in London all decorated with vegetables with candles in
[09:52] <willcooke> people open their allotments to the public and show people round
[09:53] <willcooke> that kinda thing
[09:53] <Laney> haha
[09:53] <Laney> in the month of the bare soil
[09:53] <Laney> that probably says something
[09:53] <willcooke> oooh
[09:53] <willcooke> we could be on to someting
[09:53] <willcooke> thing
[09:54] <seb128> other option is to make it the day where people freely climb walls and towers in London
[09:55]  * Laney is going away to avoid having to host a party
[09:55] <Laney> :-)
[10:02]  * happyaron is welcoming his mom to his home next week
[10:02]  * happyaron for the festival
[10:12] <seb128> happyaron, nice!
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 Laney willcooke happyaron
[10:48] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey, how are you?
[10:48]  * flexiondotorg completely forgot to say Hellos earlier.
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Very well.
[10:52] <seb128> flexiondotorg, how is snap backlog going? ;-)
[10:52] <flexiondotorg> Much communication.
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> Looks like I'll be focusing on Electron project for a while.
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> So need to get the ones in progress wrapped up.
[10:56] <seb128> Trevinho was looking at some of those as well I think, but you probably know that? Just make sure you guys don't dup work
[11:44] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:44] <Laney> hey Sweet5hark
[11:45] <Sweet5hark> Laney: heya
[11:45] <Laney> 'sup?
[11:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1649620 <- who has a reasonable change to raise the urgency of this one? It blocks moving snap builds to lp ...
[11:46] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1649620 in snapcraft (Ubuntu) "snapcraft local run differs from launchpad run" [Undecided,New]
[11:47] <Sweet5hark> Laney: heh, see above. ;) -- Now that I threw some bug escalation at others, will look at the one that was thrown at me (the libreoffice autopkgtests blocking stuff apparently) ...
[12:03] <seb128> good morning Sweet5hark
[12:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, not sure, I think there is a stakeholder meeting for snappy/snapcraft but I don't know who represents us, willcooke might have more details
[12:04]  * willcooke reads
[12:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, you can always try asking sergio or kyle on #snappy
[12:05] <seb128> Sweet5hark, reading the bug description it's not clear what is different between the local & launchpad build though
[12:05] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, seb128 I have a snapcraft stakeholders meeting next Friday.  I will raise then, but yeah, poke on IRC in the meantime
[12:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well. actually its quite likely two issues: one is that local and lp builds differ (because I managed to finish local builds somehow that fail on lp), but I would need to recheck the "local build" stuff. I last tested that in December, so I dont remember all the details.
[12:09] <seb128> Sweet5hark, the bug report would be more useful with details on what is behaving differently imho
[12:09] <seb128> or at least build logs from local and launchpad
[12:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: The other issue is that on lp, whatever is downloaded during "pull()" is deleted before "build()". That makes no sense to me at all, so IMHO that quite likely is an issue on its own. I tried to recreate that locally and failed -- thus the report.
[12:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so this is bug-yenga: stacking them higher.
[12:13] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the lp logs are linked in the report. that same stuff completed fine locally (so I didnt add a log for that).
[12:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, having the local one would allow to diff the log and see the differences
[12:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: anyway, will retry locally and see if I can get a  happy log ...
[12:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, also the clean between pull&build is worth a bug report by itself or asking Colin if he knows about that
[12:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[12:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: IIRC it failed locally even earlier than on lp, so I had to work around it to get it to finish. But that workaround did _NOT_ work on lp. So the situation was: Running snapcraft locally fails early at something that is fine on lp. I work around that, and then it works fine locally and does NOT reproduce the failure that happens on LP.
[12:19] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so starting from the same source, lp and local fail in to different interesting ways making it extra hard to create a good slim test-case. As I said: bug-yenga.
[12:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah, maybe go one bug at the time, fix the local bugs until you get it to build, if you hit snapcraft issues than block you let's escalate/work with the snappy team to get those fixed, once it build locally go to launchpad and see how it goes, if it hits an error report that bug/get it fixed/repeat
[12:25] <willcooke> happyaron, sorry if you already emailed me about this one (still working through my back log) where are we with:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1645698
[12:25] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1645698 in network-manager (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] Upgrade network-manager to latest point release" [High,Triaged]
[12:27] <seb128> k, going to grab something to eat, bbiab
[13:15] <happyaron> willcooke: back, there's regression found in that SRU, I'm preparing a new one, will include all known requested patches
[13:16] <willcooke> happyaron, coolio.  Any ETA?
[13:16] <happyaron> (meant for xenial series
[13:16] <happyaron> willcooke: guess by next Wed
[13:16] <willcooke> happyaron, ack. thx
[14:03] <desrt> hi everyone!
[14:05] <willcooke> hey desrt HNY!
[14:05] <desrt> willcooke: same to you =)
[14:05] <desrt> was santa generous this year?
[14:05] <willcooke> Coal and oranges are always useful
[14:06] <desrt> i wonder if santa has to pay carbon tax if there are too many naughty kids
[14:06] <willcooke> XD
[14:08] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[14:09] <desrt> well
[14:09] <desrt> except that my feet are a bit cold
[14:09] <seb128> time to put socks on?
[14:09] <desrt> but then i can't complain about it ;
[14:09] <desrt> ;)
[14:09] <desrt> what country are you in today?
[14:10] <seb128> .nl
[14:10] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, that 33c3 vid about wifi is really interesting.  I wonder if we should/could build smarts in to Network Manager to spot AP IDs which are the same as an existing one in your history only with a space on the end and warn the user?
[14:11] <willcooke> or maybe just replace spaces in AP IDs with a box or something
[14:11] <desrt> how is that useful?
[14:11] <desrt> could not someone simply use exactly the same name, then?
[14:12] <willcooke> basic attack is:  I sit outside your house and spot that you have a wifi network called "Fish" I then create a new once called "Fish " and de-auth you from Fish.  You then connect to "Fish " and type your password in
[14:13] <willcooke> a few liberties in that description, but you get the idea
[14:13] <desrt> erm
[14:14] <desrt> but what happens if there are just two separate "Fish" networks broadcasting?
[14:14] <willcooke> yeah, fair point, dunno
[14:15] <willcooke> https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8195-predicting_and_abusing_wpa2_802_11_group_keys#video&t=322
[14:15] <willcooke> @ 4 mins
[14:15] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "4" is not a valid command.
[14:15]  * desrt knows so little about how wifi works
[14:16] <desrt> i think the point where it stopped requiring me to plug something in is where my brain basically said "okay.. so... magic, then?" and stopped paying attention
[14:17] <willcooke> :)
[14:33] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: hah! yeah, I didnt really think too much about defenses here so far TBH. I think we might end up with auth over a second channel at some point (e.g. router displays a 4-number pin that you need to add at the end of your password). Then again, these attacks so far have not yet reached the levels of damage to justify this for home users...
[14:34] <seb128> Sweet5hark, there are far easier ways to hack into a wifi though, like wps
[14:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yep. Everything is broken.
[14:37] <Sweet5hark> FWIW, speaking of 33c3, this one is pretty amazing: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8034-build_your_own_nsa (german, but downloads should have dubbing for other langs).
[14:39] <Sweet5hark> They set up a fake startup, asked web trackers sellers about "sample data" and show that it is quite trivial to identify individuals from the click-stream. A
[14:40] <Sweet5hark> (Those were the guys finding that the WoT extension is evil, btw)
[18:14] <Laney> night!
[18:14] <Laney> happy weekend
[18:17] <seb128> same here
[18:17] <seb128> have a good w.e desktopers
[18:17] <seb128> enjoy Laney!
[18:28] <willcooke> that was a long week.  Glad its the weekend
[18:28] <willcooke> See y'all next week
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> Night desktopers
[19:03] <desrt> ciao!