[02:33] <profetik> Anyone there ?
[02:34] <profetik> If so, out of all the non coding volunteer opportunities for ubuntu , what would be the biggest need in making ubuntu better ??
[02:35] <duflu> profetik: I believe we have wiki pages answering that question.
[02:35] <duflu> Let me find it...
[02:36] <duflu> profetik:  https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/    and   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[02:40] <profetik> Yes these are all great ways. I'm interested in opinions regarding 80/20, out of all the ways listed, what would be the most impactful.
[02:41] <profetik> To be more specific
[02:42] <profetik> What would be the most impacting aspects towards the goal of consumer adoption on phone or desktop
[02:44] <duflu> profetik: I found (when I was just a community volunteer) that herding cats (managing and deduplicating bug reports) was most useful noncoding thing I did (and still do). Because without good deduplication people experiencing a bug will fail to communicate with the people able to fix a bug
[02:45] <duflu> Eliminating duplicates and setting bugs to the correct projects. Without those, fixes don't eventuate
[02:46] <profetik> Tell me
[02:47] <profetik> If more bug are being reported. Would t that be easier to parse through ?
[02:47] <profetik> More of the same
[02:47] <profetik> I mean.
[02:47] <profetik> I think I'm missing something.
[02:49] <duflu> I mean not logging new bugs, but looking at existing bugs and ensuring they have detailed information (if not, request more from the user) and are logged in exactly the correct project (often not so the project maintainer never knows about the bug)
[02:50] <duflu> Unity8, Mir and Ubuntu in general all have the problem of bug reports getting created faster than they are resolved. So it's a serious problem
[02:50] <profetik> Ah.
[02:50] <profetik> I see thanks.
[02:50] <duflu> If the bug reports are higher quality then they are more likely to get resolved
[02:50] <profetik> Would this fall under the category of q/a?
[02:52] <duflu> No, it's just bug management
[02:55] <profetik> Ok. I guess I should be able to find YouTube vids or docs to become a master cat herder I mean bug deduplicater, yes?
[02:56] <profetik> Or would you be willing to do a hands on crash course ?
[02:56] <profetik> :
[02:56] <profetik> :D via skype or hangout
[02:56] <black_pixel> omg! NO!
[02:57] <black_pixel> let duflu code mir stuff! :D
[02:57] <profetik> Worth a shot.
[02:58] <black_pixel> profetik: you can just use unity8 and report bugs
[02:58] <black_pixel> unity8/mir/snaps
[02:59] <profetik> Black pixel would you agree that bug management is one of if not the best in giving back without coding ?
[02:59] <black_pixel> there is a unity8 session and a unity8 snap session that you can test if you like
[02:59] <profetik> Cool.  And better tested on a real install as suppose to virtual machine yes?
[02:59] <black_pixel> right
[03:00] <profetik> Been using ubuntu on and off since 2009 and now that I'm done w my MBA , looking to give back
[03:01] <black_pixel> hehe, better find something that you actually like
[03:01] <black_pixel> or you'll get tired/bored very fast
[03:01] <black_pixel> i actually like unity8/mir and i am actually using the unity8 session :d
[03:02] <black_pixel> and no i'm not crazy :D
[03:02] <black_pixel> it's quite usable
[03:02] <black_pixel> i'm using it right now on desktop
[03:03] <profetik> Nice! I remember trying it one session and it was bonkers but that was a while ago. I've been dying to get a phone w convergence. Do you use U8 on a phone too?
[03:03] <profetik> I was thinking about getting a nexus 5
[03:03] <black_pixel> phones/tablet/desktop D:
[03:04] <black_pixel> i think nexus 5 has the best ubuntu port
[03:04] <profetik> Good to know.
[03:05] <black_pixel> profetik:  https://devices.ubports.com/#/hammerhead
[03:05] <black_pixel> except for bluetooth everything seems to work
[03:05] <profetik> I wanted to buy one off eBay thinking I can find one w it preinstalled but didn't see one. I don't want to bother w unlocking and installing.
[03:05] <black_pixel> scroll down, it says how to install
[03:06] <black_pixel> looks pretty easy
[03:06] <profetik> Omg Bluetooth doesn't work? Sheesh. So you have to buy adapter and plug in USB keyboard ? Lol
[03:06] <profetik> I saw I just wanted bother w it.
[03:07] <duflu> hammerhead (while great hardware) is not supported by Canonical's own software releases (it's third party). Try mako (Nexus 4) or others mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-14
[03:07] <profetik> Part of my soul would die if marks vision of convergence didn't work.
[03:07] <profetik> I just assume the 4 was underpowered.
[03:08] <black_pixel> dufu the ports are not that bad :D my MX4 for ex feels a bit more laggy than fairphone2 with ubport
[03:08] <duflu> Actually it's still one of the best thanks to a great kernel
[03:08] <profetik> I'll take a look
[03:08] <black_pixel> mx4 ubuntu edition
[03:08] <duflu> black_pixel: Non-technical users would be safer and happier with official supported devices :)
[03:09] <black_pixel> yep :D
[03:11] <profetik> I'm in the us though.
[03:11] <black_pixel> dufu have you tried xenial on M10? https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/staging/ubuntu/frieza_arm64/
[03:12] <black_pixel> i see there are new images from the last time i briked the tablet lol
[03:12] <black_pixel> 102 should boot
[03:12] <black_pixel> and nothing after that until maybe 115
[03:12] <black_pixel> better wait for 116 to be safe
[03:12] <black_pixel> "safe"
[03:15] <duflu> black_pixel, while I own many devices, an M10 is not one of them
[03:16] <duflu> Although it would sometimes help, I'm plenty busy enough without one
[03:16] <black_pixel> i imagine :D
[19:03] <profetik> Hi testing unity 8 on mir and can't get beyond the tutorial screen "long swipe from the left edge to open the today scope"
[19:04] <profetik> I admit using ubuntu mate 16.04, and installed it from there via command line
[19:52] <mterry> profetix: what device?
[20:08] <profetix> @mterry
[20:08] <profetix> sorry for the delay
[20:08] <profetix> dell laptop
[20:08] <profetix> non-touch screen
[20:09] <profetix> inspiron n5110
[20:09] <profetix> ubuntu mate 16.04
[20:10] <profetix> kern. 4.4
[20:12] <profetix> It's this bug
[20:12] <profetix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-preview-lxc/+bug/1526061
[20:12] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1526061 in Unity8 Desktop Preview in LXC "Can't click to "swipe from left" in unity8 tutorial" [Undecided,Expired]
[20:14] <mterry> profetix: that screen hint is only supposed to trigger if unity8 thinks it is on a tablet/phone.  :-/
[20:14] <profetix> ruh-oh
[20:15] <profetix> def not on tab.
[20:16] <profetix> And because I can't get beyond that "tutorial screen", can't report bug from within.
[20:16] <profetix> Cant call up term
[20:17] <mterry> profetix: try this to avoid the screen: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService DemoEdgesCompleted '<["left", "left-long", "top", "right"]>'
[20:17] <mterry> Where you replace User1000 with UserXXX for your user id
[20:17] <mterry> profetix: not a great fix
[20:17] <mterry> But might let you move on
[20:31] <profetix> so where would i go to change that in my mate desktop session?
[20:36] <mterry> profetix: oh right this is inside some lxc session?  i'm not super familiar with those, but I think you can log into the lxc instance with some terminal command
[20:37] <profetix> interestingly enough, the login menu for changing to unity 8 says "Unity8-Mir" with no indication of lxc
[20:38] <profetix> would installing ubuntu 7, then trying to get into 8 help it read that it is a desktop?
[20:39] <profetix> once i log in, im greeted with another login (which confirms that it thinks its a tablet).